When an airplane crashes or a bridge collapses, there is a 2 year investigation to determine what lead to the catastrophe. The fact that there is not a full out investigation into something that killed 20 million people is beyond unacceptable and is only criminal.
It tells us the shittery was a scamdemic. It was a worldwide psyop to condition us for something far worse to come. No one believes it came from bats no less an accidental leak from a biowarfare lab in China(funded by Sea Eye a). It was no accident or bat soup concoction.
It maybe made in China, but it would appear Eco Health Aliance was funded by the US. Who wants to hang themselves, there is no motivation for bringing this to light, the NIH in the US are still sending money to fund this.
Doesn't matter it was all old fat people. 10x the death rate in the most obese countries. Not all people are worth the same thing, if you are a fat retarded subhuman obviously there are consequences.
The last three years did not teach us much about how viruses work and spread. They did however teach us a lot about how governments work, and how tyranny and authoritarianism spreads.
Bang on! The leftist media, big tech, government, like scorpions, hopelessly revealed their true nature. Leftist truths over objective facts. Control and conformity over individual liberty.
Really goes to show how Adolph was able to manage so well back in the day, doesn’t it? It’s like there’s a large group of people that have “I want to be controlled by an authoritarian to punish my enemies” in common
@@uptrade8507 unlike the Spanish Flu, which was largely left uninterfered with, covid is still going because governments and authorities just keep messing with it.
Dr Montagnier in France said from the beginning that the virus was not of natural origins and when he died, he wasn't paid a single homage by the state. He was utterly ostracized and forgotten for his denial of the BS the state had been telling people. He was a nobel prize winner and a great man. It pains me to this day to see how they treated him.
YES‼️Dr. Li-Meng Yan who worked in the Wuhan lab was another. I mentioned this is a side thread. They should be HONOURED by every nation on earth‼️‼️‼️
@@lp1296 it has been suggested that the AIDS virus shows up in individuals who are severely compromised and is not the cause but more than anything else, is opportunistic of an HIV infection. Please see and find interview from Kary Mullis and his talk about HIV and AIDS. More shenanigan's afoot here as well. Please dont discount Dr Montagnier, who knows this stuff inside and out, (viruses etc) without really doing very deep dive.
I am so proud of Jordan Peterson, who was denied to be a professor, so he used that "set-back" and made himself available to lots of us, instead of being limited to a few students in one college. God bless him and people of his kind!! Love and respect you Mr. Peterson. I wish we could do more to support you.
There are moments when that little itch in the back of your mind tells you that what you're being told doesn't make sense, doesn't add up. All the while there are people vehemently denying any possibility that your suspicions are correct. Unfortunately they are also backed by big money. It's so difficult to find answers to questions against such forces. Thank you for having the courage and fortitude to find them for us.
kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart issues...evil know no bounds...Godless people will always create hell !!!
I have had that itch for a very long time. Now I’m totally convinced our reality is mostly or entirely fabricated from history books to mainstream media narratives about the civil conflicts taking place all over the world.
As a bioengineering student, I've been saying Occam's razor on the lab leak since day one. After NIH started erasing the paper trail proving they funded the research, that was all the proof we needed. If there wasn't any foul play on the NIH's part, they would have never covered up the paper trail.
What is sad is due to the deleted paper trail all who pose this question are seen as crazy or a conspiracy theorist. I really pray that an honest investigation is performed, dammed the consequences. We need to bring the truth to light.
@mongaloose I bet you've been called conspiracy theorist a few times, too. Yes... many of us lost a few relationships, regardless of the proof given. All we can say is thank God for JPeterson [in the sense that he's so well known and earned his respect - to almost god-like status] because the masses won't listen to the little guys. Thank God for these guys.
As an IT Security specialist the initial smoking gun for me was the database going offline. A bit like the Russian Olympic computers having apparently been "rented", and then conveniently returned and destroyed afterwards.
I was born and raised in China but also spent 10 years living in Australia. I think I have a decent amount of understanding of the so called "Eastern" and "Western" culture and values. The introduction of this video hits me deeply, particularly when Dr. Peterson said the "West" immediately imitated the Chinese government's authoritarian lockdown policy, and that this is perhaps the bigger problem than the totalitarian approach itself. I hope we at least open up to the concept that democracy is not something that is to be taken for granted, and the freedom is actually not free. Often times, a form of right coextists with a responsibility and it needs to be defended,
I don't believe Jordan Peterson gives us knowledge, God does, via people like JP willing to partner with Him and have the courage to push against the cult norm. We learn by asking questions and seeking truth. I appreciate his role greatly in bringing forth the courage to do what he does, but I am aware that God gives these gifts.
All you have to do is read, learn, grow, and teach. It's not something only Jordan can do. Anyone can do it. He's just setting an example. What's really more sad is that the world used to be FULL of people like him. Now children are encouraged to be stupid. Be the example
Or politicians > NZ PM = " I am the sole source of truth all other media is fake " ???? ... "I have the DATA " ... The data that Pfizer admitted IT didn't have ???
Some of us were ABSOLUTELY able to realise what were lies and what were not right from the get go! Gaslighting has become an art form..and realising who is trying to gaslight is a gut feeling that some of us have!
The Wuhan staff DELETING all the files from the lab within a few days, plus shutting it down for 2 weeks and bringing in a group of hazmat dressed Pulp Fiction type 'Cleaners' was an obvious sign it came from the market and not the lab!🤣🤣
Oh good grief, settle down little outrage burrito. No one was gaslighting you, no one was lying to you. You just have a very limited understanding of biology, and you're listening to people with equally limited understanding.
Right from the get go, huh? Lucky. People like me didn't know until the data came in months after it started, dishonest people didn't really clamp down on their views until after we all should have known better. I don't think people who are all in their feelings about this stuff should have a say as those feeling go both ways and you all are just as loud and insistent as each other.
You raise a good point: both of these men speak slowly and clearly, which is far more helpful for English learners than people talking over one another and speaking too quickly (as is the norm on most TV shows and podcasts). What’s your native language? -language lover from Texas ✌️
Matt Ridley, shoving your expose into print despite the obstacles was a Nobel-worthy feat of journalism and a service to mankind. In a better world, your service would be written in the stars!
He is the SECOND person to do this: Look for "What really happened in Wuhan" by Sharri Markson. Australia was sanctioned by China in 2020 for calling for an inquiry into the origins of Covid, Those significant economic sanctions remain to this day. Australians, at the highest level, were on to the Lab in mid 2020. China's response was seen as confirmatory here in Oz. Why the USA remained so far behind is a mystery here in Oz.
In early 2020 MR, who I deeply respect, wrote an article dismissing lab leak over natural evolution. That was his contribution at the time when he was needed most. It fell to others to be courageous in the face of ridicule and digital banning.
I lived in Qingdao during the winter of 2019 to the summer of 2020 (a city south of Beijing, near the coast to Seoul). At the very start of January, when the lockdown happened (they closed all highways in and out of every city, INCLUDING trucks carrying grocery store supplies), they announced CLEARLY on mainstream national TV that the virus could transmit WITHOUT you showing any symptoms, the importance of washing hands with alcohol, wearing masks, and that even if you DONT feel sick, you shouldnt go outside unless you need to. I'm talking day 1 of the outbreak, they did this, and openly said this to everyone on national TV. They knew from day 1 that it could spread asymptematically, and that it was a serious deal, or they wouldnt have reacted this way. If they DIDNT know what this virus was from day 1, they would NOT have locked down every city, they would NOT have known it could spread asymptematically (which USA only "realized" in April the same year, which is ridiculous, that the entire US government doesnt have a single person capable of translating Chinese news lol). Which makes the whole thing even more weird, almost as if Fauci and buddies wanted it to spread.. There's simply no rational way that Chinese people on the street knew it could spread asymptematically in January 2020, and USA's president and WHO chairman only realized it in April. And lets not even start about the way that USA and UK media reported the death statistics as fine printed "Deaths by ANY REASON 90 days post infection", which makes no logical or scientific sense in any possible form of analytics.. Except for inflating the numbers. No other crisis in human history, have had deaths statistics shown as "Deaths for any reason", it has only specifically listed the people that died directly from said crisis (obviously, because this is how science is done). So that brings another question, WHY did the medias intentionally (because you dont do this by accident), want to inflate the death statistics? This has nothing to do with conspiracy theory. These are open facts you can look up right now. They DID in fact list deaths as "by any reason", rather than explicitly from covid hospitalization. Nobody asks why. Why would there be an interest in artificially increasing the statistic even when it flies in the face of the scientific process? Because if you ask "why", you VERY quickly enter the realm of conspiracy theory. And this is obvious, because IF they did skew the statistics (which is fact, not opinion, it can be looked up right now), THEN that means it was intentional, because you dont randomly spread the same data set and graphs to 150 news channels around the world without first checking the source, or what values the X and Y of the graph are tied to. Thus whoever chose the graphs, day by day, week by week, KNEW that the statistics were artificially skewed, and they CHOSE INTENTIONALLY to continue displaying those statistics instead of the objective statistics (because counting a car crash as "death by covid" isnt objective or scientific). This is why this entire topic gets cancelled even today. Because you CANNOT ask the big questions, without AUTOMATICALLY ending up in conspiracy land. Because SOMETHING seriously wrong was going on, intentionally. And of course, last year USA passed a bill that allows their agencies to classify Misinformation, Malinformation, and Conspiracy theories, as a terrorist act. Meaning it is automatically impossible to discuss this without, by simple "physics" of logic, ending up in one of those 3 labels. What a world it has become.
A load of BS you are spewing about the Chinese 'knowing' from Day 1. I, together with a bunch of colleagues, were in China too at that time. The moment the medical scientists discovered that this virus transmit human to human, that's when they did the right thing to lockdown that province. That's how they save so many lives at the expense of the economy.
Nuclear threat is no longer what it used to be. What if you could threaten another country with a virus that’s runs rampant? (Not Covid, I would assume a very specifically designed variant.)
This should be a 15 second podcast. It’s unfortunate that no one is held accountable for one of the worst acts of worldwide terrorism in the 21st century. I hope people who can dig in to this are paying attention.
If every church and every 'celibrity' would have used their power to tell people the truth, the media would not have been able to do what they did and still do. It looks to me that too many powerful people and organizations sold their soul to the devil long time ago. I channel my power to love so intensively that evil can not exist any more within all this love. Even so the majority of humans has been unknowingly programmed, conditioned and brain washed, LOVE IS STILL THE STRONGEST POWER THAT HOLDS US TOGETHER.
Amazing coincidence that one of the worst acts of worldwide terrorism happened during one of the most unconscious and unaware periods of human awareness. Trusted media . . .
Six months overdue, but this was such a great verbal, intellectual, insightful discourse that ticks off many of the views that have sat in the core recess of my mind and now feeling rather liberated to some extent.. quite refreshing and super glad to have found this video. You are a treasure to us Mister Peterson. Thank you for sharing the light and Godspeed. 😎🤙
I'm 68 and find it harder and harder to find honest, intelligent, educated people to learn from. I just assumed they would be everywhere but are getting harder to find. Thank you!! I also admire Dr. John Campbell, he is honest and not political (from UK)
Have you heard of Lex Fridman? He interviews some of the smartest and interesting people on the planet. He is truly a humble and unique human, and the world could benefit from a few more like him.
Agreed. Bret Weinstein is also interesting. Joe Rogan, though he is not an intelectual does have some interesting people on his show and asks some good questions. Mainly critical thought has been subjugated as reading has been replaced by fast scrolling videos. I am 50 so I am in the last generation that can remember life without cellphones
I too find Campbell a true scientist. Follows the literature, faithful to science to a point but equally critical but most importantly accepting when he was wrong. His slow drip away from manipulation has been perhaps too slow... but give an honest man time, he is sorting it out. And bully for him to do so!
3 bleeding years with no experts getting to the bottom of the Thing that has destroyed so many peoples lives that its incomprehensible! Finally someone who has the intellect and gall to do so! Thank you Dr. Peterson
Given the catastrophic costs and unprecedented disruption caused by this virus, the fact that there is no government effort at all to answer these questions should tell you all you need to know.
Very good except the ‘post-modernism’ discussion. This has no bearing upon science, or discussions regarding the true origin of Covid-19. The same with politics and money, no relation to science or truth.
The idea of the virus in a Chinese animal market...😕🐉🐲huh!, from the beginning was not to swallow it for many biologists or doctors 🇪🇺 (friends or myself bio). 😬 It has also been seen that covid was hybridized with HIV😐 and everything about its horrible behavior fits into that. The treatment from the WHO was ridiculous.🙄🤢
I worked at Elsevier, home of the Lancet… thus I was very persistent in reading the latest materials surrounding COVID. By the end of April I was able to tell this was a fear campaign like we have never seen before. I tried sharing my findings with coworkers & family… ultimately to be be ostracized. This episode was like waking up to the smell and sound of crackling bacon🥓
We live in an Orwellian world today, where evil is good, and good and truth are actively attacked and marked for annihilation. I shudder for my children and grandchildren’s future…
@@xmlviking Actually, if what can be done were being done, nobody would be around. Some nations that can do some things, often choose not to do them out of restrain and knowledge of the consequences.
I was in a Genetics course in spring 2020. In May at the end of the semester I asked for office hours after the final to speak with the professor over Zoom after the switch from in-person to virtual. I had the unique opportunity to ask my professor, a PhD in Genetics, what was the likelihood that this was developed in a laboratory versus originating on a chopping block in a wet market. This was before many of the details came out about the different species that would have combined to originate the virus in successive events. She told me the likelihood of that was unimaginable, that it would take two evolutionary jumps in a singular event. This was before the lab-leak was truly vilified, people still considered it. It doesn't go simply from zoonose (animal to human), and then simultaneously to airborne. It's not that those are mutually exclusive, it's that the probability of that happening at once, is more mathematically irresponsible to claim organically than it being created in a lab. So, we're vilified publicly for thinking the virus was lab produced for a year, when it's more wildly unlikely that this event ever could have happened on a chopping block. I mean that when I say it, it's more mathematically irresponsible to say this "just" occurred in a wet market. I'd like to know how many places in decimal positions to the negative power each event would have in probability so that people could see how silly it was to have ever claimed it came from a wet market. Can't tell you how redeeming it was to see the gain of function funding come to light.
I am by no means a educated as you all. I have some very educated and some not so yet majority of my friends never truly believed the wet market story when they released that. Then at some point it became known about the lab in the same location and from there my friends were all saying lab made and lab released. No matter if it was by accident or on purpose. It was even discussed as a test on how far and how fast a killer virus could spread. Also another way to weed out an over populated world. Still holding to lab made. I'm so glad I follow Jordan and his podcasts. This was by far the most validating one.
We appreciate the scientific analysis & explanation,it is heartwarming to hear a bold & courageous individual clear The veil & have us a glimpse of truth.could you please explore further on the conspiracy theory of this pandemic Is it a fact that Bill Gates formed a Vaccine distribution organization 1 year ahead of this Event..Another marker,the Chinese vice premier stating that the American soldiers carried or was responsible for the spread.For the sake of all those who suffered from this Virus, please continue to enlighten the world so they may seek & receive Justice.
@@Nektaria11000lowkey bill gates is one of the biggest problems in this broken world of ours… he’s horrible…. I saw him speak in person many years ago… and I thought even then that he was a snake oil salesman… but fast forward many moons later… he’s flimflammed the world eh?
We partially have Senator Rand Paul to thank for keeping Fauci's feet over the fire of congressional inquiry (true inquiry because hardly anyone else was brave enough to do it) as well as several other government officials he absolutely roasted on the stand.
I honestly believe Jordan Peterson is one of only a handful of people that had a direct cause in stopping full control. Imagine if he never spoke out that first time about the law and compelled speech! A real man steps up and does what needs to be done for his family and makes the sacrifices necessary to help them grow in the right direction. I see my husband do it all the time and he is a wonderful man. Jordan Peterson is a great male role model actually practising what he preaches, which is also a very rare trait. We can have such discussion today because he stepped up for us despite what was aimed at him. Jordan Peterson, this is why most of these comments are saying thank you. Not just for what you say now, but for what you’ve said in the past that means we are still able to speak freely and have these dialogues without fear of the law coming down on us. Thank you for being a man of high standing that we can look to, talk to, listen to and grow together. We say thank you for changing the world for the better. Isn’t this what the Nobel Peace prize is meant for? I’m unsure though I haven’t researched it. Anyone know?
I live in China. I know how things work and their attitude of cutting corners. It was very obvious to me what really happened. There was plenty of other information going around at the time that supported a lab leak. That information has since disappeared from the internet.
When I worked at the Dental Research Center. I was amazed by a book written by Matt Ritley, I consider him a true and honest author, my advice read it and you will learn a lot of truthful and easy-to-understand information, I congratulate Jordan Peterson for this wonderful interview. On a matter of extreme importante.
Read William Guy Carr "Pawns in the Game," he got inside info about the world control freaks early in life and went on to serve in WW1 ans 2 as a navel officer. Good read and help to understand what's going on
I just wanted to thank you both for that marvelous conversation. I'm in new student at UC Berkeley and I have to say that I'm finding an infestation of political ideology and every aspect of academic life. I am both a rational scientist and also driven by a deep in abiding faith in the transcendent. Attempting to integrate these two concepts - these two epistemological theories - has been challenging to say the least. I marvel at the common ground that Dr Peterson was able to beautifully articulate. The concluding remarks of this interview were profound and will guide me for years to come. My many thanks.
I send best wishes to you Michael Anthony....hope you make it OUT of UC Berkely with the good sense you were gifted with and not have it wrung out of you by an institution that has lost it's way and is producing graduates that their former friends and their parents will NOT recognize in body, mind and spirit!
I am the same way: Both a rational, well, more "engineer" then "scientist", and a deep faith in God (and specifically Christianity). However, to be perfectly honest, I've never seen the conflict between these 2 thoughts. Mostly because of (and other related verses) Psalm 19:1: "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." God *is* the natural world. To understand the natural world is to understand God; to understand God is to understand the natural world. God gave us reason and logic for a purpose. Because of this, I have never understood the conflict between Religion and Science. Both, when properly practiced, are pursuing Truth... And, in fact, are pursuing the *same* Truth that is God. May I suggest something else for you: Read some of Isaac Newton's works. I'm being serious. He was driven by exactly this thing: Understanding the natural world to better understand God. That is what lead Newton to all of his discoveries.
@@alexsawicki It is also part of the natural world for such manipulating groups to show up and influence our different institutions. At this time, law, politics, economics aducation food and medicine have been " infected".. It is this very process that produces histories' " Greats " ,like J.P. ,and motivates individuals like yourself to expand beyond the current group consciousness. For humans, evolution requires far more than "mere biological". If you contemplate this, we are looking at parallel realities at work, where our individual consciousness is constantly outpacing the psychological mutations.
@@Jess_Tropical_jungle From the very beginning, I felt that the vaccine was pure evil, and have not gotten vaccinated. I had a good friend who threatened to drag me to get the jab. Then, he ended up catching the virus, and decided to take the third booster. Three weeks later he died from blood clots.
@@williambenner701 oh my gosh that’s awful! I’m so sorry for your loss. Yes unfortunately we didn’t start seeing those reports until after we had the Pfizer vaccine. I thank God I was more than hesitant to get my children vaccinated, and never did.
Brett Weinstein talked about all of this on his Darkhorse podcast as early as March 2020. All of the "experts" said he was a dangerous conspiracy theorist.
I wasn't shocked. I was ticked. Covid really woke me up. The bad actors were clearly seen. I learned alot and I'm much more educated now. The only thing that shocked me was half the nation, ( I'm American). And the world covered their eyes and ears and try like crazy to this day. To stay ignorant. Being ignorant of something is ok. Staying that way on purpose is ridiculous. A large group of the human adults decided to act like children and run away from ideas much like children. I've now come to the conclusion that we have a serious problem with people of certain ages being stuck in a younger state of mind.
@@TheGreatAustino I just have a hard time comprehending it. It's obvious that somewhere along the way we taught children wrongly. Being uncomfortable is vital to life. This is something you used to teach your children so they grow out of this state.
People in the medical field where for me the worst, they ignored logic and science and make feel bad not taking the jab. Also refused to operate cause I didn't take it...
I am constantly in admiration of Jordan because of his command of the English language. My mother made me study the dictionary as a child. She wasn't the best mother in a myriad of other ways but her making me study the dictionary has helped me so much. What is man without language? Jordans command might actually save a generation.
Same as with my mom rest her soul, after years of asking us kids if she looked like a dictionary, she finally just started handing it to us and she would help by starting to spell it.. but made us find it, and would not let us use a word unless we understood every meaning it could have, in any context. My best example is the word 'gay', which became more popular as a slang slur term about the time us kids learned of it in the late 80s. The dictionary we had was printed in 1982 (for reference) Being Gay meant happy A Faggot meant a bundle of sticks A Fag was a cigarette And now those words are generally used now as insults against sexual orientation. Which is wrong. No one should have hate for things or people they don't understand.
One of the most important and positive things about recent years is that we have gained an insight into the world of politicians and their International Forces and how shit really works. Where power prevails and the "masses" are the lab rats of their indefensibility on so many levels. How they all protect each other is almost admirable because there is never anyone who has to be held accountable. And that needs to end.
You can thank trump for exposing all of this scumbag shit going on! Now you know why they got rid rid of trump by creating this thing and making all of us bend a knee to the will of the powers that be... The lanterns of freedom must be lit once again my friend... One If By Land, Two If By Sea...
Among all other truths that have been told, this too is the absolute truth. They have supported and protected each other in their wickedness and we have allowed them to stay in power and to not be held accountable. Why have we done that?
This is probably one of the best and learned conversations I have ever heard on COVID-19. I learned so much from Matt Ridley concerning on how much it became a political problem rather than it being an important scientific issue. Great podcast !!!
Some of us knew this was planned before it happened. Check out David Martin World. It's been great fun being called a covidiot by close-minded relatives.
He is amazingly even-handed, especially with regards to "open" vs "closed" question of the virus origin. This is exactly the kind of reasoned voice that we need leading this discussion.
Listening to this conversation has genuinely stretched my psyche, and at 67, sometimes makes me squint my eyes: neurons firing in an otherwise unexplored part of my brain. Many thanks to you both for an entertaining and enlightening evening.
I am a high-school drop out. I remember watching TVO and being floored by Dr. Peterson's words way back in the days when I probably should have been showing up to class. I am constantly grateful for you and your work that you share so freely sir. I loved this interview and your guest deserves further reading. Maybe one day we will all learn to accept our mistakes carry meaningful messages, not hide from them, and honour them by making less severe ones.
I see them less as mistakes and more as opportunity for profits. All you have to ask is who commissioned this virus, who has the power to manoeuvre something of this magnitude, who has the means to instigate such an event and who stands to profit from it. Which pharmaceutical companies reaped the most profits, who has stock in them? If you follow the money you'll find the truth. Every Single Time.
@@catherinenelson4162 I agree, I missed a huge amount of my school education for various reasons, and frankly I never learned anything in school that was all that useful that I didn't and couldn't learn at home, and since leaving school I've learned far more than school ever would have even attempted to teach me, I honestly wish I was home schooled and able to focus my attention to important knowledge from a younger age instead of being forced into hours upon hours of useless information the time I was at school. My school was considered one of the best non private schools in my area and the teachers were piss poor and long since checked out at best.
@@MDM1992 I hear you. I look back on my life and see many teachers and schools that I loved and a few teachers/authorities I had great trouble with at the time of learning from them. I now see the horror and beauty of my mistakes and I take full responsibility for where those led me. I have come to see every experience I have had as some kind of lesson even if I was or still am too ignorant to understand it. I, like yourself, had multiple issues with school before it became clear that I likely would never return to formal education. Part of it was being sick, the other was having the epiphany that the track was leading somewhere boring and just as insecure as leaving. I wish you well in your journey.
I love watching Peterson in a discussion with others. He actually presents a pertinent idea very germane but then immediately without missing a beat presents the original idea PLUS its response. Gemini is the ultimate master of dual mutability. Great fun to watch him dance.
I sincerely respect Jordan B. Peterson and all which he stands for. Thank you Mr. Peterson for being among those on my list of human beings working as beacons of light in this otherwise rapidly darkening world we live in. Full respect. ❣ **For those of you who have pointed out the spelling error to me, thank you very much, I have corrected that, and 'auto' has been scolded accordingly. In regards to those anxious about my use of Mr. over Dr., I use Mr. in this instance, as to me it speaks to his humanity, rather than the personification of the scholar. Which, I'm going to have to guess, is the reason he himself left out the Dr. designation on this, his very own channel. I hope that clears everything up for everyone, and the trolls alike. 😘
They wouldn't allow him to progress. If by some fluke he won, the others would seek to corrupt him so the pillaging continues, or, create scandals to discredit and oust him.
@@Fergus-H-MacLeod i think you just can’t get to the top without "playing there game", doing so goes against your morals and then you quit, it would be to frustrating… i think
I really love how you share the credentials of your guests at the beginning. It really helps to validating the perspective of your guests. I love the improved production value! Keep it up!
At this point, the actual conspiracy theory is that covid came out of bat soup. It's amazing that people are still so resistant to accept what was actually going on in these labs.
A lot of working folks were happy to lock down at first (fifteen days to flatten the curve) because, in the USA at least, working people are exhausted. Who wouldn't be glad for a "free" vacation for a time, when to take off from work for the longest time has required verification from a doctor, and if you stay off sick too long here, good luck keeping your job. It was when we saw churches close while liquor stores and abortion clinics stayed open that people began really smelling the rats.
LUCKY? REALLY? There should be far more outrage about the censorship of latter years from the tech industry. We are not "lucky" we are STILL being heavily censored.
Thank you Dr Jordan Peterson and Mr Matt Ridley for an outstanding discussion. I could have listened to you both for hours. Very informative and educational. Thank you again. Kimberly
@@creativetake_1 I think the rough idea was something like, Once you know the "truth" there is still a unknown element in life to learn more from potentially.
In Jan 2020, I was having a hard time breathing, at that time I thought it was just a bad asthma attack, (had these before) took my Ventolin as I normally did, but it just didn't do a thing, slowly I got worse and ended up calling an ambulance, I was told I passed out. I woke up in hospital 9 days later in intensive care, with many tubes down my throat, and a machine helping me breath, I was in hospital a full 3 weeks and then 2 weeks at home, my diagnosis at the time was bronchial pneumonia, I believe now it was early covid, most of the doctors said then, they never saw it not respond to the medication they gave me. Eventually it went away, but the cough lasted for months. At that time, I just wanted to die. I lost a friend who I infected or believed I did. We can't as a human race allow gain of function to continue, it angers me that they still practice these bad habits, If another virus escapes, it could be one that can kill everyone on earth.
What scared me more about the entire exercise was how the people reacted, they was so close to vacine ID cards, permanent track and trace but worst of all was the mob mentality against un-vacinated people. I remember a women in India who did not want to be vaccinated she was thrown to the ground by a group of people she was screaming and in tears as they held her down and stuck that needle in her arm, the looks on those peoples faces who just left that women on the floor crying while they went after their next victim. People on the whole have shown that they are so easily programmed by the media news turned them into pavlov zombie dogs so quickly intelligence gave way to obey and join the pack rather than becoming victimised named and shamed as a anti vaxxer, society made me more sick than the virus ever did.
I wholeheartedly agree one million %!!! Such an eye opener for me. A few of my neighbors & I have become quite close over the years. When suggested we all go down "for the vaxx together, then have lunch"; I declined saying I'd meet for lunch. They asked if I'd gotten the vax already and I said I wasnt taking it, omg I never felt so set upon in my life. This was the last time 3 of them spoke to me! True colors showing like I've never seen before. I even heard a rumor that some were looking into any way they could make us MOVE OUT. I wasn't as angry as I was hurt; and VERY hurt at that. Things aren't uncomfortable for me here anymore as they were in the begining but many of my neighbors still can't (or won't) look me in the face & certainly not in the EYE. When I read your comment here, I know I don't get out much but I read a lot, & yours is the first comment or statement of this nature that I have encountered; & I appreciate your feeling & indeed share it. It could become an overwhelming thought & by itself, lead a person into depression. However in my case (& I have a strong feeling in your case as well as you felt the stunning blow as I did of "our brother & sister fellow Americans", for the gain of their weekly paycheck or to look good or gain status or a raise or promotion or WHAT EVER, thought NOTHING of MURDERING mass amounts of people; elderly, middle aged, young adults, teens, children now infants. They've gone from killing them with vaxes, to a hospital in Boston 1st one of its kind they boast for gender reassignment FOR INFANTS!!! I honestly can't bear the thought of the thought of this happening. I tried to get some people together~ enough to have a protest but no one at all agreed to come. I will get some people and do this for sure. An area hospital here where I live, had a group of about 10 to 12 nurses that called each other "serial killers" & really made jokes all through their shift with the excuse that " if they didn't laugh they'd cry". In MY opinion, it would have been more HUMAN to cry. God bless you and your caring heart. Sorry for being so long winded but it felt good too get it ALL OUT. (& that wasn't ALL but it'll do) Prayers & Blessings. ❤️🤍💙🇺🇲🤍💚🇵🇰🕊️
This former nurse was asking ligit questions and was screamed at by doctors told me my time as an RN of 33 yrs was coming to an end! I hope someday they will see the light and realize the enormity of their errors by pushing the poison shots to innocent people. I feel for the children
My husband got the Vax. I did not. He got covid and past it too me. My symptoms were very mild. My husband did not survive. I'm devastated to say the least. We were supposed to grow old together I want justice.
I lost 3 family members to covid...I feel your pain and ANGER...Covid was an act of war released in Wuhan during the military Olympic games to spread it worldwide
in every corner of the world there have been brave souls that speak out the truth- although unknown on the UA-cam platform, deserve applaud for the courage to speak up.
I’m sick of researching a situation, coming to the correct conclusion and everyone around me thinking I’m mad or stupid. It doesn’t take a genius to read, listen and think……
@@spaceedementia Witchell Do you mean Intentionally manipulated or "inserted" (Minute 17) by human intervention ? The funding of the Wuhan research center by certain pharmaceutical giants has been a major talking point since Mr Anthony Fauci, who as we know, was proven to have been the representative and lobbyist of such companys and who paid the Chinese large sums of money in order to research the influences of biological warfare by viruses pimped to fit our immune system.
@WilliamHelstad it’s very simple. There are world renowned scientific experts. Part of their “day job” is explaining science to us lay members of the public, publishing their scientific findings and commenting on other scientists research/ findings, comments, decisions. Read, listen and think…. As for the evaluation, again, read, listen and think about what world class scientists are saying to us the lay public. I made my decision not to get vaccinated because the covid-19 vaccine is an experimental vaccine technology which had not completed its safety tests / findings. Call me crazy, but I wouldn’t fly to another country in an experimental plane either.
Jordan, I really enjoyed this interview. You asked very specific questions, very well formulated, you acted like a top of the line journalist, and you allowed the guest to explain his points in length. Exelent job!
I know this is a serious topic, but I love seeing Jordan laugh. ! Always a treat to see Such an adorable smile and giggle come out of a rational serious Scholar
Wow! What an amazing time we live in where ordinary Joes can sit in like a fly on the wall and listen to such a deep discussion between two of the brightest minds of our time - utterly mesmerizing. If UA-cam had allowed such inquisitive probings two years ago, we might not be so divided now.
Okay, I traveled to a ranch in the late '90s, a vacation, fishing paradisiacal in Montana. I met a biologist who told me about the lab in Wuhan, how he worked there, how dangerous and inhumane the work was and why he left. He said he feared if he did not leave, God might damn his soul to hell, a pretty powerful statement for a man who claimed agnosticism as the wall he hid behind.
Amazing. Thank you for posting this. Please elaborate. As far as damning the soul to Hell, how could Dr. Fauci get away with the following, albeit a bit paraphrased, RACIST statement: "These are deadly viruses, so we don't experiment on them in Kansas, we do it in China." So, let's locate an experimental research station in a major population center in SOME OTHER country from mine. Racist monster.
Because this intentionally released from a US laboratory, used to slow down China’s economic growth and attack the CCP. This creates hatred and fear among the people, and use this opportunity to gain more control and divide the mid-lower class people domestically. They needed someone for the public to “believe”, then to “blame”.
@@oliakrist8648I agree but it’s almost like a coping mechanism to deny it because that’s what we’ve been brainwashed to do which I believe will take many people a long time to break even though there’s various evidence that this was a planned event. The truth hurts but you follow history or you connect the dots you can see that this was in the works for decades. Just like almost ever other major event in the world like the world wars was financed, planned, and excuted precisely for self gain by the same 1% of people that pull the strings.
As busy as you are, Dr. Peterson, I’m quite sure you’ll never see this, but I just wanted to comment (and I rarely ever comment on anything I watch on UA-cam), the last 25 minutes was one of the best conversations I think I’ve ever heard. Thank you for all you do.
It's so inspiring to see these men take such care with the terms they use, defining them in detail and analysing their infinite manifestations with each other. This is how real intellectuals discuss critical matters, seeking understanding and connection before all else. An inspiring and informative discussion.
yes “the way” they are discussing things is a format that is respect oriented, which is a desirable way to behave and serves all involved much more completely. With that said, this does not speak to the things they are discussing and the assumptions they are analyzing. Point being they are discussing just the surface narrative that has been “ok’d” to discuss and won’t bring any unwanted “heat” to them. Now if this conversation would have taken place two years ago it would have been cutting edge and controversial, and would have likely resulted in one or both men having their account suspended, because it was not ok to talk about it then because the approved narrative in late 2020 was still vehemently denying any talk of lab leak, and anyone who spoke about it was flatly labeled as a disinformation spreader and a threat to society who must be silenced and destroyed personally and professionally, even though they would have been speaking truth. So what these two are missing in their dialogue is their perception of the issue. They are focusing on things that aren’t real…like using language like “mistake” or “leak(as a mistake) or “errors” or “got it wrong” and phrases of this nature. What they are missing from their framing is that they are blind to the very conscious and very deliberate evil that is behind this atrocity. i mean come on “Wet market Shmet market” Any time devoted to “The Wet Market” is time taken away from focusing on the issue, which is seriously ill scientists getting a thrill out of deceiving mass populations and lying to them in an effort to trick them so they will behave in the fashion they want them too. Like fear some scary thing(that really is not a danger for most) that you can’t see and then run to get this shot we want you to take(that has none of the promised properties and is not actually “safe”) This video is literally a demonstration of the effectiveness and talent of the professional propagandists. The finesse used to lay out breadcrumbs that appear as “finding something” is impressive. It is akin to a losing candidate hashing over what went wrong with a campaign that came up short but not address the election itself that was wrought with empirical fraud. If the true source of a problem is obscured and a false narrative is offered-up in its absence, then any discussion using the manufactured narrative only gets you further from the truth, not closer.
Images is EVERYTHING, behind the scenes is the Gag Scientists were fighting against not too long ago. How ironic, Energy triples it's highest rate ever in under 5 years. The Government Bans Whole home Filtration for water and Air. Covid pops off and they have NOT brought anyone an air filter or water filter. Since the Ban.... Seems not intentional at all. You and I are born scientists and explorers. It is school that interferes with your learning and physical development. "NO IT'S NOOOOOOOOOOOT". Well, to that denial I say go jump on a dating site and notice what Generational Americans and Canadians took like in Comparison to new comers. Fat, dumb and dopey is what our hone team typically looks like as we reach outside our borders to did the educational people to run our country. Fucking Morons
Merci! Pour mieux diffuser, il faudrait la possibilité d'un sous-titrage en différentes langues possibles. Pour ma part en français pour une plus large diffusion. C'est très important de diffuser largement la vérité cachée.
JP always raising the bar: more nuanced discourse, more rigorous thinking, more detailed analysis, better chosen phrases. I'm glad to see him flourishing in a society that glorifies stupidity and repudiates the critical thinking that got us this far.
The role of interviewer/moderation for topics that are not in his field of expertise (by a number of postcodes!) is a WASTE of his talents. I wish he would stop these wild excursions into popular topics for the sake of publicity instead of sticking to psychology and its direct periphery.
@@poopongmcplop3635 How about the psychology of how 99.99% of the world responded with a mob and sheep like mentality and that the first response of governments were to act and impose totalitarian methods to experiment with what the psychological reaction would be first to lockdowns, then having to have to get the jab to particpate in certain activites like school and appointments, a good reason to homeschool, along with many other reasons
I would replace "thus far" with a few decades ago; I am still looking for a high school and/or college for that matter outside of philosophy perhaps that teaches critical thinking as a mandatory course, that is partly; I would say mostly why we are where we are today and also why so refreshing to listen to JP talk and discuss using rational, critical thought
@@spirestocksnotification6710 Fair point, however I believe others can also deliver that (you will of course have to find them.. might take some effort), while his work on maps of meaning and the interpretation of stories is something I have never seen anyone else to to the degree of real life utility that JBP did. That´s why I think we are losing out if he uses his time to talk about popular topics as a (albeit VERY) smart interviewer.
This is very rather interesting.. From day one ive thought that this could not be a naturally occuring situation and i am very very pleased to see that people who have knowledge of virology are starting to look into deeper to the subject. Thank you from bottom of my heart.
I dunno folks I think the promotion of a lab leak theory is probably a red herring. More likely the emergence of Covid 19 is a symptom of the severe and critical impairment of the earths capacity to detoxify itself. Call me crazy, … at least we got an expert on board At about minutes 15-19 the discussion turns to the genetic sequence and references “ a feering 😅” feature that is possibly an indication the virus was engineered. The consulted expert in beige sports jacket mentions that this feature has been found in other viruses but he doesn’t elaborate. Now this is interesting but I hypothesize that we should be cautious in assuming a geographical point of origin near this lab in wuhan is not proof it actually came from there. What geopolitical powers exist that would like to implicate Chinese authorities or actors were responsible? And set them up to take the blame, to suffer the consequences and perhaps not coincidental ly, set a precedent for how to address the public health crisis, in an authoritarian non democratic socio political context. Bottom line is cleaner environment s are an important if not essential line of defense between people other living things and pathogens. As long as the powers that control public health policy and buy vaccines for the immunization programs continue to toe the line that mass immunization is the appropriate strategy to resolve the pandemic we are unlikely to ever truly beat it. Have a great day!! Ok Matt Ridley guy is continuing to hit some targets on my resistance from about minute 27 to thirty plus! Leaked documents, research on bats : were these grants applied for only or actually funded research at wuhan labs? Suppressed lab accountancy/ project summaries with the potential to either implicate or exonerate the lab: also concerning. Bats were getting a bit of play from cbc I think at least a year ago as a possible species of origin for a naturally arising pandemic source. Like we can trust those guys a hunnerd percent of the time… I bet jp doesn’t!!
I have "dabbled" a bit with listening to Jordan in the last few years. He is so well spoken and organized in his delivery of subject matter I really was drawn in. Now in the present, he seems to be propelled with great speed into mainstream. I am going to join Daily Wire so I can hear all the great stuff that is in the works with the core people of the Wire, and the new inductee to their circle, Jordan. I am seventy now and have not enjoyed listening to much for years now, but I have found a new past time listening to the likes of both of these learned , objective, inquisitive seekers of the truth about everything!
@@GregoryShtevensh Air quotes tend to not be a literal quotation, but rather are usually used to imply "for lack of better words" or a general uncertainty around the word choice.
I have always thought Jordan was an unorganized speaker. He is intelligent and you can learn a lot from him but he is difficult to understand because of his delivery. He is a much better writer than speaker of ideas.
I am not the kind of person who usually comments on UA-cam videos. This is my first time doing so because I believe quite strongly in what I am going to write and I think it could be meaningful and helpful for others to read. I also think I owe it to the guidance and framework I have received through the work of Dr. Peterson and the individuals he converses with on his podcasts and the messages, hopes and aspirations that they carry. Firstly, I think that this is one of the best podcast interviews I have seen. I think that the tone of the podcast was completely appropriate, and I deeply appreciated the objective, intelligent, and professional manner of dialogue between Dr. Peterson and Dr. Ridley. It was increasingly evident to me that the conversation was happening in good faith and in real pursuit of a higher truth, and knowing that gave me comfort. I could drop my usual defenses, to some extent, and really focus to what was happening in the conversation. Although the subjects of conversation we are times deeply complex, I felt that I was able to understand and grab as much as the participants in the room were able to. I especially appreciated the thoughtful dialogue towards the end about the delineation of religion in its form as an idealistic spirit towards a higher truth and the potential degeneration of religion in our objective, human reality through the influence of totalitarianism, and the practical importance of differentiating such (to prevent needless conflict between similarly minded religious and scientific individuals). Although I am no expert on the matter, the idea of science and religion being jointly united in the spirit of attempting to form some sort of relationship with a transcendent entity, either object or being, was deeply powerful, and the visceral emotion between both Dr. Peterson and Dr. Ridley appeared to celebrate that in a deeply profound manner which I cannot fully articulate. I suspect that bit of the conversation might have even been religious itself. Secondly, I want to use this as an opportunity to provide some commentary on some aspects of my own life. As my understanding and perspective of the world has been expanding, I have felt increasingly confident and motivated (in an intrinsic manner, it would seem) to talk about political topics with people I meet in my life. Uber drivers, classmates, friends, professors, etc. I have noticed that people largely agree on most things. This is especially prevalent if you are able to talk in a manner that expresses what you actually mean, have developed somewhat of a personal connection, and are genuinely and evidently aiming to communicate at a higher truth. I am an undergraduate student at a very liberal elite institution in the United States and have consistently been amazed at the surprising agreement I have received from professors in rather lengthy personal conversations about both controversial academic and political topics as long as certain practicalities are adhered to, such as those described earlier. There is a bit of tact involved in these conversations, but I can say with full honesty that to the extent of my self awareness, there was no point where I felt like I had lied about what I truly believed. This, along with a series of both past and more recent motivational and meaningful events in my life, has motivated me to begin trying to create an organization on campus which, through discussions and a podcast series, encourages speech oriented at this higher truth, not the commonplace manipulative power games or passive disinterest that unfortunately appears to characterize so many of my classmates. I believe that if I can organize a group of diversely minded but similarly oriented-at-the-good individuals, and we can produce lengthy, challenging conversations in good faith about these issues to the best of our ability, perhaps we can tip the scales a bit more towards a higher truth and a bit less towards the totalitarian hell that seems to becoming ever so real. Maybe we can even provide some hope to our classmates and demonstrate that a higher form of dialogue not only exists, but is deeply and intrinsically preferable to the current power-games, passivity, or snide resentment. This video has provided me a real source of meaning and motivation to see this through, and I hope that in good time I will be able to provide an update of the outcome of my efforts.
Very interesting and insightful opinion. Keep it up man, it’s noticeable that your intentions come from hard and deep reflection, and can produce a positive change for your and those around you.
I fully understand where you come from... this "search for higher truth", deeply resonated with me too, and I think this "declaration of faith in the search of truth" is psychological powerful and the best way to combat what is happening in universities with its takeover by the religion of wokism, that ultimatly is not a religion of truth, but a religion of power and resentment. if feels weird someone atheist and rational like me talking in such religious term... but they are appropriate, because I do have this faith based belief that the search of truth is the higher goal, but somehow, we don't state this enough...
Dear professor, I haven’t come to your channel for a while, because my VPN hasn‘t worked very well since last October. I now live in China, in Beijing. I just want to say that I like not only your points of view but also and even more, your way of thinking…and I am also a loyal reader to Dostoevsky. I have few people here to communicate with, which is sad but I fortunately got use to it. I would like to tell you and your audience that in this suffocating country, I still strive to maintain independent thinking, I do my best to get access to forbidden knowledges, I express my views bravely to the others( even if they don’t understand and have no will to do so) and I still believe in truth and justice. Maybe there are not many people like me, but after all, I’m still here. I don‘t think I can awaken others, my people live in misery but still they are grateful for all the government has done and all the lies been told. I am chained, just like everybody else in this country, but I know that deep inside my heart and mind are still free. And I shall never give it up to the totalitarians.
I feel you and am going through it with you. We are not alone, we will beat this, especially with thinking like yours, because in the end nobody can really take our light because the moment they do they will come crumbling down because we are all one. Dive deep, soar high, become infinite! I love you!
You are not alone. God is watching over you, and He will make a way for you. Keep on going forward even if people around you don't understand. Many blessings
This is what I call a civilised conversation between two great minds who know how to listen even when they have opposing views without judgment without defensiveness with lots of respect and mostly with the utter goodwill of reexplaining and rewording one’s thoughts to meet the other person halfway peacefully without any attempts of imposing anything. Just love how articulate and smart both are!!!! I want people like that in my life!!!
@@kevinfitzmaurice-brown1683 seems Quick was defunded by the Trump administration and left in July months before the outbreak began in China. Her job was to help detect outbreaks in China. She was resident advisor to the U.S. field Epidemiology training program in China. It was discontinued in September before the outbreak. The first cases of Pneumonia were reported on December 31st. If she was there it might have helped but it seems like she wasn't. What's your point using her name? 🤔 Art 😀 🎨 ✨️
I caught Covid Feb 2021. In a coma for 12 days in hospital for 6 weeks and still recovering. I’m so confused how this virus just packed up and left this earth. Everyday I sit and look for answers. Thanks for this . ❤
It didn't just pack up. It's still infecting hundreds of thousands. The media has gone silent as the elite globalists have made their easy billion on capitalizing from the disease and are preparing for the next $$$ event.
hope your better now, everyone had covid around me but i just carried on and never caught it 'as far as i know', there is a lot more to this than were being told, what a shithole the world has become with Ukraine etc it would be a far better place without us humans,we will eventually destroy ourselves
Had chest pain followed by dizzy spells within a day after my 3rd shot. Lasted a month occurring several times each day. Fortunately it cleared up after a month. Didn’t get any more shots after that.
I am afraid to come out with my story. I have worked in a lab where I worked on a project integrating a 12 basepair cleavage site for furin in influenza viruses. I was an intern there and our produced virus worked. I'm bound to extreme legal issues if I come forward but I really need to talk about it. I hope this story will be heard and I want to let you know China is not the only lab undergoing research in producing dangerous viruses
Matt’s description of his ‘religious’ feelings when he encountered Dawkin’s book are the exact feelings I get when I listen to Jordan. There are bits and pieces throughout each interview/talk that send chills up my spine and give me the feeling of standing on the edge of the world. Coming from the Nazarene church, I’ve always had the feeling we have been trying to conveniently put God into a ‘box’ or a book so that we as humans can digest. But these moments I’m referring to when listening to Jordan, blow the roof off of everything I believe and make God more living and real right now than ever before. I’ve never been struck with more awe and wonder of God, than I have been the past few years listening to Jordan and his guests.
@@kimberlyaddis6194 As a Christian, I've listened to the wisdom that Jordan speaks forth, and wonder if this comes from God, through one of His people. Sometimes he sounds like a believer, then he takes God's name in vain. Then I read the next comment from a lady that says Jordan's wife is a Christian. He certainly has LOTS of credibility in his work.
@Olia Krist I think you are right about that, because I recognize that struggle he has, I am struggling with the same thing. I feel the urge to defend Christ against the materialism, atheism etc, but somehow I can't reconcile that battle within myself, even though I have had rich spiritual experiences, love Jesus, etc.
@Ryne Sickel: The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. (Romans13:12 NKJV)
You've changed my life with your work and ideologies for the better, and you're bringing truth into the world in a way that will have an immeasurable impact, so a sincere thank you. Further, I'm happy to be a contributor to your financial prosperity, have purchased your programs and books, and look for more ways to get involved with your material. However, please keep your ads in check. This many per video makes it annoying for someone as invested in your narrative as me to make it through. The chance of people still just interested but not sold of getting through all of the ads is even smaller.
I fast forward through the ads. Do u really think the good doctor would give away his time for free? The sponsors of the video pay his salary and the salaries of the other ppl working on this video and it helps pay utilities for where he's shooting the video at. If u were in his shoes would u work for free? U get paid to work at your job, why shouldn't he get paid for his?
@@claytonbink1647 if you aren't going to act on the advertisments, dont waste your own time. he gains nothing, it doesnt help. not talking about youtube ads, just the ones he puts in the videos manually
@@emelyarye2641 : I'm with you. These sheep people who feel they're doing a good deed listening to interruptions in the conversation are, well - they need Peterson's help more than anyone. Manually placed ads are sacrilege.
Dr. Petersen and Matt Ridley you both gave me so much hope that people of your academic caliber are talking about these topics that may be affecting the outcome our very humanity. All people need to share this with friends and family. Thank you both for expanding our minds by connecting the dots between science and faith.
Dr Peterson, I just want to say how much I appreciate everything you do, I'm thankful for persons like you that make people think and are focused on truth.
As a laboratory professional of 39yr, THANK YOU. I actually received an email in just a few days following the Fauci directed shutdown. It's taken 2 years for the facts in that email to come out. Thank you.
Please debate me if you dare...The covid-19 virus most probably entered Wuhan (China) during World Military Games in Wuhan on October 2019, brought by US athletes. This virus was already spread among US Navy and Army personnel by then. Wuhan Lab got nothing to do with this virus because the spreading of the virus has shown that most death tolls were not in Wuhan nor China's neighboring countries. Most probably this virus was created and leaked in Fort Detrick Bioweapon Lab.
Ridley has yet to go down the rabbit hole, Jordan has and prooves its a sane and dignified human enterprise…its been called conspiracy theory but that wont cross Ridley’s lips
I know what you are saying. But what Peterson is gettin at is Facts and Truth are now subjective. Facts are now bent for political gain. What you (me and normal people) are looking for is Truth that meets the scrutiny of God, is truly true, unfiltered and truly honest. A common saying is “only God knows the truth.” What caused Aunt Sally’s mysterious death?” Only God knows.
I am personally convinced that the pandemic was a consequence of a lab leak. But even if that was not the case, the conduct of the government's and scientific community is appalling and deeply worrying.
Not just the scientific community. Everything. The intelligence community, the press and the big tech companies censoring the truth since day 1. It's all disgusting and riddled with lies.
I agree with your premise, however when Covid became a story it was quickly pressed into service as means to damage Trump, as Rahm Emmanuel famously quipped "Never let a crisis go to waste."
Ok bot (or shill). This is exactly the kind of content that **should** be free. It's not 'refreshing' at all (though the conversation is). It's on UA-cam, a largely free platform for a reason. XD
Only if you are alive! My dad was murdered by this regime and I will continuously say it and have been since the beginning. This was done on purpose and my dad was murdered! I wish I could say wow what a time to be alive, I get what you're saying and I don't want to demean your feeling.
@@AJgypsy3 On the other hand I DO wish to demean his feelings . A great time to be alive my arse. Does the writer want to allow them to narrate his life forever? He likes being a slave or does he not think he is one? He is a bot. Or even worse, a shill
Your ignorance makes the lie grow (they were killed), or, well, it is the Internet, you could be lying. In a world of lairs and lies, I hardly believe anyone, and no one should either. Only believe someone if you hear him speak in front of you, and looking at your eyes, and even in that instance, they can still lie, but it's more difficult.
@@ignacio6454 I agree I do not trust anyone anymore. The world is full of bullshit. Truth and morals don’t mean anything anymore. Humans suck. I only believe my own truth and I will continue to the day I die to remain true to myself and others. Why live a lie. Most of the world is and what do you get out of that? Discontentment, anger, disillusionment, a sense of living by caution, not for me. :) good luck out there. Not everyone is full of it though, don’t give up on the hood ones :)
@@georgesibley7152 What certifies you as a reliable judge of who does or doesn't know about viruses? Apparently no one had a clear understanding of viruses.
@@kyleriddle8734 of course they do, but i doubt very much that you do, what is your expertise in Viruses. especialy as you believe that a;ll the virologists and medical researchers on Twiv and elsewhere know less than you do.
Watching and listening to this has made my day (maybe even my year).. "If you can't exturpate Faith from the Human Spirit then you might as well have a mild version of it - called the Church of England..." these two guys can wring the juice out of this Covid Origin debate and still throw blinding quotes like this totally off-the-cuff into the conversation. How brilliant is it to hear two learned men talk like this around the content of Science and Nature in the early 21st Century as the Sun sets on the dying West. Beautiful work here guys. Love from Scotland.
When an airplane crashes or a bridge collapses, there is a 2 year investigation to determine what lead to the catastrophe. The fact that there is not a full out investigation into something that killed 20 million people is beyond unacceptable and is only criminal.
No investigation because they did it themselves.
It tells us the shittery was a scamdemic. It was a worldwide psyop to condition us for something far worse to come. No one believes it came from bats no less an accidental leak from a biowarfare lab in China(funded by Sea Eye a). It was no accident or bat soup concoction.
It maybe made in China, but it would appear Eco Health Aliance was funded by the US.
Who wants to hang themselves, there is no motivation for bringing this to light, the NIH in the US are still sending money to fund this.
Reply’s are being erased. UA-cam is part of the problem
Doesn't matter it was all old fat people. 10x the death rate in the most obese countries. Not all people are worth the same thing, if you are a fat retarded subhuman obviously there are consequences.
The last three years did not teach us much about how viruses work and spread.
They did however teach us a lot about how governments work, and how tyranny and authoritarianism spreads.
Bang on! The leftist media, big tech, government, like scorpions, hopelessly revealed their true nature. Leftist truths over objective facts. Control and conformity over individual liberty.
100%
Really goes to show how Adolph was able to manage so well back in the day, doesn’t it? It’s like there’s a large group of people that have “I want to be controlled by an authoritarian to punish my enemies” in common
Same thing
@@uptrade8507 unlike the Spanish Flu, which was largely left uninterfered with, covid is still going because governments and authorities just keep messing with it.
Dr Montagnier in France said from the beginning that the virus was not of natural origins and when he died, he wasn't paid a single homage by the state. He was utterly ostracized and forgotten for his denial of the BS the state had been telling people. He was a nobel prize winner and a great man. It pains me to this day to see how they treated him.
let the record show that he also stated in an interview that aids may just be a"harmless passeger virus"
YES‼️Dr. Li-Meng Yan who worked in the Wuhan lab was another. I mentioned this is a side thread. They should be HONOURED by every nation on earth‼️‼️‼️
@@lp1296 it has been suggested that the AIDS virus shows up in individuals who are severely compromised and is not the cause but more than anything else, is opportunistic of an HIV infection. Please see and find interview from Kary Mullis and his talk about HIV and AIDS. More shenanigan's afoot here as well. Please dont discount Dr Montagnier, who knows this stuff inside and out, (viruses etc) without really doing very deep dive.
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@@lp1296you were supposed to read between the lines…..harmless til it isn’t
I am so proud of Jordan Peterson, who was denied to be a professor, so he used that "set-back" and made himself available to lots of us, instead of being limited to a few students in one college. God bless him and people of his kind!! Love and respect you Mr. Peterson. I wish we could do more to support you.
I echo your opinion and truthful observation!
If case CIA secrets included the investigation leads to a dead end as well.
He retired from his tenured position at Univ of Toronto. Please don’t evoke God and lie in the same breath.
It's exactly because of his persecution that he has spread to the world.!
@@travisdopler289 he wasn’t fired. He retired. There’s no need to exaggerate (or lie). It generally backfires.
There are moments when that little itch in the back of your mind tells you that what you're being told doesn't make sense, doesn't add up. All the while there are people vehemently denying any possibility that your suspicions are correct. Unfortunately they are also backed by big money. It's so difficult to find answers to questions against such forces. Thank you for having the courage and fortitude to find them for us.
Did you get the same itch when they said Russia blew up its own pipeline?
Everyone is out to get you - disconnect all your social media accounts now and run
Trust yourself, m mm. Trust your truth detector.
kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart issues...evil know no bounds...Godless people will always create hell !!!
I have had that itch for a very long time. Now I’m totally convinced our reality is mostly or entirely fabricated from history books to mainstream media narratives about the civil conflicts taking place all over the world.
As a bioengineering student, I've been saying Occam's razor on the lab leak since day one.
After NIH started erasing the paper trail proving they funded the research, that was all the proof we needed.
If there wasn't any foul play on the NIH's part, they would have never covered up the paper trail.
Exactly
What is sad is due to the deleted paper trail all who pose this question are seen as crazy or a conspiracy theorist. I really pray that an honest investigation is performed, dammed the consequences. We need to bring the truth to light.
@mongaloose I bet you've been called conspiracy theorist a few times, too.
Yes... many of us lost a few relationships, regardless of the proof given.
All we can say is thank God for JPeterson [in the sense that he's so well known and earned his respect - to almost god-like status] because the masses won't listen to the little guys.
Thank God for these guys.
As an IT Security specialist the initial smoking gun for me was the database going offline. A bit like the Russian Olympic computers having apparently been "rented", and then conveniently returned and destroyed afterwards.
That action alone is the most blatant admission of guilt.
I was born and raised in China but also spent 10 years living in Australia. I think I have a decent amount of understanding of the so called "Eastern" and "Western" culture and values. The introduction of this video hits me deeply, particularly when Dr. Peterson said the "West" immediately imitated the Chinese government's authoritarian lockdown policy, and that this is perhaps the bigger problem than the totalitarian approach itself. I hope we at least open up to the concept that democracy is not something that is to be taken for granted, and the freedom is actually not free. Often times, a form of right coextists with a responsibility and it needs to be defended,
Why do we have a Democracy?
Because the owners think it benefits them the best.
We need to make sure they keep thinking that way...
So good. At Last people are looking at it. Any possibility shall be carefully examined. Denying any possibility is not right.
Thank you
@@ookiemand You think we have a democracy? Hilariously sad
I loved reading this. Thank you for reminding us of our responsibility
We need more people like Jordan Peterson in our lives. His knowledge is feeding the truth to us on a daily basis.
Be one
@n.c.1201 he's a conduit for truth and he's putting up a good fight against the nwo owo that want to control us all
I don't believe Jordan Peterson gives us knowledge, God does, via people like JP willing to partner with Him and have the courage to push against the cult norm. We learn by asking questions and seeking truth. I appreciate his role greatly in bringing forth the courage to do what he does, but I am aware that God gives these gifts.
All you have to do is read, learn, grow, and teach. It's not something only Jordan can do. Anyone can do it. He's just setting an example. What's really more sad is that the world used to be FULL of people like him. Now children are encouraged to be stupid. Be the example
This video should have a 100 million views. Its insane how much faith people have in the media
Billion views
It's not faith. It's a cultivated apathy. Who wants to talk politics anyways?
Peterson is one of the most promoted and funded personalities on the internet
@@mayanboricua Well said.
Or politicians > NZ PM = " I am the sole source of truth all other media is fake " ???? ... "I have the DATA " ... The data that Pfizer admitted IT didn't have ???
Jordan Peterson truly is a treasure.
He really believes in finding the truth, no matter the cost.
God Bless this man.
Absolutely 💯 percent correct.
Yes. I would be pressed to find an example of someone who is willing to put nothing above the truth like JBP. This man is priceless.
One of the best intellectuals of our time! Love him!👍
@@tylerrothmeyer9062 Agree
Unless it requires criticism of gods chosen tribe.
Some of us were ABSOLUTELY able to realise what were lies and what were not right from the get go!
Gaslighting has become an art form..and realising who is trying to gaslight is a gut feeling that some of us have!
The Wuhan staff DELETING all the files from the lab within a few days, plus shutting it down for 2 weeks and bringing in a group of hazmat dressed Pulp Fiction type 'Cleaners' was an obvious sign it came from the market and not the lab!🤣🤣
Exactly! Glad I was one who had the instinct.
It’s just a coincidence. It make complete sense if you just don’t think about it.
Oh good grief, settle down little outrage burrito. No one was gaslighting you, no one was lying to you. You just have a very limited understanding of biology, and you're listening to people with equally limited understanding.
Right from the get go, huh? Lucky. People like me didn't know until the data came in months after it started, dishonest people didn't really clamp down on their views until after we all should have known better. I don't think people who are all in their feelings about this stuff should have a say as those feeling go both ways and you all are just as loud and insistent as each other.
I’m a non native English speaker, and I love this show so much, people are articulated
Articulate
@anhtai988, I quite agree, it’s an intriguing conversation.
You raise a good point: both of these men speak slowly and clearly, which is far more helpful for English learners than people talking over one another and speaking too quickly (as is the norm on most TV shows and podcasts).
What’s your native language?
-language lover from Texas ✌️
Matt Ridley, shoving your expose into print despite the obstacles was a Nobel-worthy feat of journalism and a service to mankind. In a better world, your service would be written in the stars!
carved into a mountain, maybe.
Love this think-piece on common sense surprised UA-cam didn’t strike it.
@@Shredder858 not yet... we should save n share this.
He is the SECOND person to do this: Look for "What really happened in Wuhan" by Sharri Markson. Australia was sanctioned by China in 2020 for calling for an inquiry into the origins of Covid, Those significant economic sanctions remain to this day. Australians, at the highest level, were on to the Lab in mid 2020. China's response was seen as confirmatory here in Oz. Why the USA remained so far behind is a mystery here in Oz.
In early 2020 MR, who I deeply respect, wrote an article dismissing lab leak over natural evolution. That was his contribution at the time when he was needed most.
It fell to others to be courageous in the face of ridicule and digital banning.
I lived in Qingdao during the winter of 2019 to the summer of 2020 (a city south of Beijing, near the coast to Seoul).
At the very start of January, when the lockdown happened (they closed all highways in and out of every city, INCLUDING trucks carrying grocery store supplies), they announced CLEARLY on mainstream national TV that the virus could transmit WITHOUT you showing any symptoms, the importance of washing hands with alcohol, wearing masks, and that even if you DONT feel sick, you shouldnt go outside unless you need to.
I'm talking day 1 of the outbreak, they did this, and openly said this to everyone on national TV.
They knew from day 1 that it could spread asymptematically, and that it was a serious deal, or they wouldnt have reacted this way.
If they DIDNT know what this virus was from day 1, they would NOT have locked down every city, they would NOT have known it could spread asymptematically (which USA only "realized" in April the same year, which is ridiculous, that the entire US government doesnt have a single person capable of translating Chinese news lol).
Which makes the whole thing even more weird, almost as if Fauci and buddies wanted it to spread..
There's simply no rational way that Chinese people on the street knew it could spread asymptematically in January 2020, and USA's president and WHO chairman only realized it in April.
And lets not even start about the way that USA and UK media reported the death statistics as fine printed "Deaths by ANY REASON 90 days post infection", which makes no logical or scientific sense in any possible form of analytics.. Except for inflating the numbers.
No other crisis in human history, have had deaths statistics shown as "Deaths for any reason", it has only specifically listed the people that died directly from said crisis (obviously, because this is how science is done).
So that brings another question, WHY did the medias intentionally (because you dont do this by accident), want to inflate the death statistics?
This has nothing to do with conspiracy theory.
These are open facts you can look up right now.
They DID in fact list deaths as "by any reason", rather than explicitly from covid hospitalization.
Nobody asks why. Why would there be an interest in artificially increasing the statistic even when it flies in the face of the scientific process?
Because if you ask "why", you VERY quickly enter the realm of conspiracy theory.
And this is obvious, because IF they did skew the statistics (which is fact, not opinion, it can be looked up right now), THEN that means it was intentional, because you dont randomly spread the same data set and graphs to 150 news channels around the world without first checking the source, or what values the X and Y of the graph are tied to.
Thus whoever chose the graphs, day by day, week by week, KNEW that the statistics were artificially skewed, and they CHOSE INTENTIONALLY to continue displaying those statistics instead of the objective statistics (because counting a car crash as "death by covid" isnt objective or scientific).
This is why this entire topic gets cancelled even today.
Because you CANNOT ask the big questions, without AUTOMATICALLY ending up in conspiracy land.
Because SOMETHING seriously wrong was going on, intentionally.
And of course, last year USA passed a bill that allows their agencies to classify Misinformation, Malinformation, and Conspiracy theories, as a terrorist act.
Meaning it is automatically impossible to discuss this without, by simple "physics" of logic, ending up in one of those 3 labels.
What a world it has become.
A load of BS you are spewing about the Chinese 'knowing' from Day 1.
I, together with a bunch of colleagues, were in China too at that time.
The moment the medical scientists discovered that this virus transmit human to human, that's when they did the right thing to lockdown that province. That's how they save so many lives at the expense of the economy.
Nuclear threat is no longer what it used to be. What if you could threaten another country with a virus that’s runs rampant?
(Not Covid, I would assume a very specifically designed variant.)
Well articulated! I will add that Fauci, Collins and Daszack should be in jail
Who dares to translate news from C land😂吓尿了 你有卡能走 ，我们走不了
@@bobobo4555 xie xie
This should be a 15 second podcast. It’s unfortunate that no one is held accountable for one of the worst acts of worldwide terrorism in the 21st century. I hope people who can dig in to this are paying attention.
That pea sea are thing maybe ?
If every church and every 'celibrity' would have used their power to tell people the truth, the media would not have been able to do what they did and still do. It looks to me that too many powerful people and organizations sold their soul to the devil long time ago.
I channel my power to love so intensively that evil can not exist any more within all this love. Even so the majority of humans has been unknowingly programmed, conditioned and brain washed, LOVE IS STILL THE STRONGEST POWER THAT HOLDS US TOGETHER.
Yah. "The bio-weapon got out."
Amazing coincidence that one of the worst acts of worldwide terrorism happened during one of the most unconscious and unaware periods of human awareness. Trusted media . . .
I was hoping for a 5 second bite , my attention level is not that good .
Six months overdue, but this was such a great verbal, intellectual, insightful discourse that ticks off many of the views that have sat in the core recess of my mind and now feeling rather liberated to some extent.. quite refreshing and super glad to have found this video. You are a treasure to us Mister Peterson. Thank you for sharing the light and Godspeed. 😎🤙
Years overdue
Amen
I'm 68 and find it harder and harder to find honest, intelligent, educated people to learn from. I just assumed they would be everywhere but are getting harder to find. Thank you!! I also admire Dr. John Campbell, he is honest and not political (from UK)
I am in my high eighties and I once knew honest and intelligent people, but, now my heroes seem to be all dead.
Have you heard of Lex Fridman? He interviews some of the smartest and interesting people on the planet. He is truly a humble and unique human, and the world could benefit from a few more like him.
Agreed. Bret Weinstein is also interesting. Joe Rogan, though he is not an intelectual does have some interesting people on his show and asks some good questions. Mainly critical thought has been subjugated as reading has been replaced by fast scrolling videos. I am 50 so I am in the last generation that can remember life without cellphones
I too find Campbell a true scientist. Follows the literature, faithful to science to a point but equally critical but most importantly accepting when he was wrong. His slow drip away from manipulation has been perhaps too slow... but give an honest man time, he is sorting it out. And bully for him to do so!
@@vuchaser99 I do so agree. I watched him just prior to this. He admits when he's wrong and he's about the truth.
3 bleeding years with no experts getting to the bottom of the Thing that has destroyed so many peoples lives that its incomprehensible! Finally someone who has the intellect and gall to do so! Thank you Dr. Peterson
The problem is that "they" already know what has caused this and willfully go along with the narrative to maintain their financial position.
It s so hard to believe that some people Can bé wicked enough to do such horrible things, that most people dismiss thé idea
@@evacarpenter4485 precisely what I was thinking. Science is funded by people with agendas.
are you sure? Look at what happend to the China Eastern crash in early 2022? Has China come back with the findings?
Everyone who touch the subject got burned. Simple. Cancel culture and so on. If you disagree about covid they call you an anti vaxxer.
Given the catastrophic costs and unprecedented disruption caused by this virus, the fact that there is no government effort at all to answer these questions should tell you all you need to know.
What a respectful and informative dialog between these two... the world needs more and more of this 👏🏻
Very good except the ‘post-modernism’ discussion. This has no bearing upon science, or discussions regarding the true origin of Covid-19. The same with politics and money, no relation to science or truth.
America 1961
you know you need me in your life, man
@@faysaleladdouti8394 your comment doesn't make sense.
The idea of the virus in a Chinese animal market...😕🐉🐲huh!, from the beginning was not to swallow it for many biologists or doctors 🇪🇺 (friends or myself bio). 😬 It has also been seen that covid was hybridized with HIV😐 and everything about its horrible behavior fits into that. The treatment from the WHO was ridiculous.🙄🤢
Never underestimate the darkness in some people and their disdain for humanity
Indeed.
Exactly
Which people are those?
Its the very same darkness we all are capable of.
Spirit of Cain
I worked at Elsevier, home of the Lancet… thus I was very persistent in reading the latest materials surrounding COVID. By the end of April I was able to tell this was a fear campaign like we have never seen before. I tried sharing my findings with coworkers & family… ultimately to be be ostracized.
This episode was like waking up to the smell and sound of crackling bacon🥓
I knew as soon as I heard covid 19. It was bullshit
All of us changed friends,,,, for good
@@philippegillier8089 So true
This was about so much more than the leak .
We live in an Orwellian world today, where evil is good, and good and truth are actively attacked and marked for annihilation.
I shudder for my children and grandchildren’s future…
My father was a biochemist. He would constantly say, "Just because we can do something, does not mean that we should."
Hopefully he did not work in DOD or anything near that. God bless your father he was/is a brilliant man.
Must have been a Jurassic Park fan 😅
@@rebeccapenders5050my dad used to say “we’re going to need a bigger boat” he was a plumber.
@@xmlviking Actually, if what can be done were being done, nobody would be around. Some nations that can do some things, often choose not to do them out of restrain and knowledge of the consequences.
a sentiment echoed by Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park.
The fact that these two wonderful men have given us this discussion is s true gift
Agreed..simply fantastic!
Lol they're not
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What they have done is try to get you to believe China bad when it’s the west creating bio weapons to use against us all….
I was in a Genetics course in spring 2020. In May at the end of the semester I asked for office hours after the final to speak with the professor over Zoom after the switch from in-person to virtual. I had the unique opportunity to ask my professor, a PhD in Genetics, what was the likelihood that this was developed in a laboratory versus originating on a chopping block in a wet market. This was before many of the details came out about the different species that would have combined to originate the virus in successive events. She told me the likelihood of that was unimaginable, that it would take two evolutionary jumps in a singular event. This was before the lab-leak was truly vilified, people still considered it. It doesn't go simply from zoonose (animal to human), and then simultaneously to airborne. It's not that those are mutually exclusive, it's that the probability of that happening at once, is more mathematically irresponsible to claim organically than it being created in a lab. So, we're vilified publicly for thinking the virus was lab produced for a year, when it's more wildly unlikely that this event ever could have happened on a chopping block. I mean that when I say it, it's more mathematically irresponsible to say this "just" occurred in a wet market. I'd like to know how many places in decimal positions to the negative power each event would have in probability so that people could see how silly it was to have ever claimed it came from a wet market. Can't tell you how redeeming it was to see the gain of function funding come to light.
I am by no means a educated as you all. I have some very educated and some not so yet majority of my friends never truly believed the wet market story when they released that. Then at some point it became known about the lab in the same location and from there my friends were all saying lab made and lab released. No matter if it was by accident or on purpose. It was even discussed as a test on how far and how fast a killer virus could spread.
Also another way to weed out an over populated world.
Still holding to lab made.
I'm so glad I follow Jordan and his podcasts.
This was by far the most validating one.
My reasoning was slightly different but came to the same conclusion. We're not all mad
We appreciate the scientific analysis & explanation,it is heartwarming to hear a bold & courageous individual clear The veil & have us a glimpse of truth.could you please explore further on the conspiracy theory of this pandemic Is it a fact that Bill Gates formed a Vaccine distribution organization 1 year ahead of this Event..Another marker,the Chinese vice premier stating that the American soldiers carried or was responsible for the spread.For the sake of all those who suffered from this Virus, please continue to enlighten the world so they may seek & receive Justice.
@@Nektaria11000lowkey bill gates is one of the biggest problems in this broken world of ours… he’s horrible…. I saw him speak in person many years ago… and I thought even then that he was a snake oil salesman… but fast forward many moons later… he’s flimflammed the world eh?
We partially have Senator Rand Paul to thank for keeping Fauci's feet over the fire of congressional inquiry (true inquiry because hardly anyone else was brave enough to do it) as well as several other government officials he absolutely roasted on the stand.
I honestly believe Jordan Peterson is one of only a handful of people that had a direct cause in stopping full control. Imagine if he never spoke out that first time about the law and compelled speech! A real man steps up and does what needs to be done for his family and makes the sacrifices necessary to help them grow in the right direction. I see my husband do it all the time and he is a wonderful man. Jordan Peterson is a great male role model actually practising what he preaches, which is also a very rare trait. We can have such discussion today because he stepped up for us despite what was aimed at him. Jordan Peterson, this is why most of these comments are saying thank you. Not just for what you say now, but for what you’ve said in the past that means we are still able to speak freely and have these dialogues without fear of the law coming down on us. Thank you for being a man of high standing that we can look to, talk to, listen to and grow together. We say thank you for changing the world for the better. Isn’t this what the Nobel
Peace prize is meant for? I’m unsure though I haven’t researched it. Anyone know?
Can you drop the "real man" trope?
I live in China. I know how things work and their attitude of cutting corners. It was very obvious to me what really happened. There was plenty of other information going around at the time that supported a lab leak. That information has since disappeared from the internet.
When I worked at the Dental Research Center. I was amazed by a book written by Matt Ritley, I consider him a true and honest author, my advice read it and you will learn a lot of truthful and easy-to-understand information, I congratulate Jordan Peterson for this wonderful interview. On a matter of extreme importante.
Which book was it?
Read William Guy Carr "Pawns in the Game," he got inside info about the world control freaks early in life and went on to serve in WW1 ans 2 as a navel officer. Good read and help to understand what's going on
I just wanted to thank you both for that marvelous conversation. I'm in new student at UC Berkeley and I have to say that I'm finding an infestation of political ideology and every aspect of academic life. I am both a rational scientist and also driven by a deep in abiding faith in the transcendent. Attempting to integrate these two concepts - these two epistemological theories - has been challenging to say the least. I marvel at the common ground that Dr Peterson was able to beautifully articulate. The concluding remarks of this interview were profound and will guide me for years to come. My many thanks.
I send best wishes to you Michael Anthony....hope you make it OUT of UC Berkely with the good sense you were gifted with and not have it wrung out of you by an institution that has lost it's way and is producing graduates that their former friends and their parents will NOT recognize in body, mind and spirit!
I am the same way: Both a rational, well, more "engineer" then "scientist", and a deep faith in God (and specifically Christianity). However, to be perfectly honest, I've never seen the conflict between these 2 thoughts. Mostly because of (and other related verses) Psalm 19:1: "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." God *is* the natural world. To understand the natural world is to understand God; to understand God is to understand the natural world. God gave us reason and logic for a purpose. Because of this, I have never understood the conflict between Religion and Science. Both, when properly practiced, are pursuing Truth... And, in fact, are pursuing the *same* Truth that is God.
May I suggest something else for you: Read some of Isaac Newton's works. I'm being serious. He was driven by exactly this thing: Understanding the natural world to better understand God. That is what lead Newton to all of his discoveries.
@@alexsawicki It is also part of the natural world for such manipulating groups to show up and influence our different institutions. At this time, law, politics, economics aducation food and medicine have been " infected"..
It is this very process that produces histories' " Greats " ,like J.P. ,and motivates individuals like yourself to expand beyond the current group consciousness.
For humans, evolution requires far more than "mere biological". If you contemplate this, we are looking at parallel realities at work, where our individual consciousness is constantly outpacing the psychological mutations.
this conversation should have been had 2 years ago. its astonishing how bad the media has become.
I wished I’d known before getting the vaccine.
@@Jess_Tropical_jungle From the very beginning, I felt that the vaccine was pure evil, and have not gotten vaccinated. I had a good friend who threatened to drag me to get the jab. Then, he ended up catching the virus, and decided to take the third booster. Three weeks later he died from blood clots.
@@williambenner701 oh my gosh that’s awful! I’m so sorry for your loss. Yes unfortunately we didn’t start seeing those reports until after we had the Pfizer vaccine. I thank God I was more than hesitant to get my children vaccinated, and never did.
Brett Weinstein talked about all of this on his Darkhorse podcast as early as March 2020. All of the "experts" said he was a dangerous conspiracy theorist.
the media is not just bad, they are complicit.
I wasn't shocked. I was ticked. Covid really woke me up. The bad actors were clearly seen. I learned alot and I'm much more educated now. The only thing that shocked me was half the nation, ( I'm American). And the world covered their eyes and ears and try like crazy to this day. To stay ignorant. Being ignorant of something is ok. Staying that way on purpose is ridiculous. A large group of the human adults decided to act like children and run away from ideas much like children. I've now come to the conclusion that we have a serious problem with people of certain ages being stuck in a younger state of mind.
Unfortunately much of growth comes from being outside of the comfort zone which many people are afraid of
@@TheGreatAustino I just have a hard time comprehending it. It's obvious that somewhere along the way we taught children wrongly. Being uncomfortable is vital to life. This is something you used to teach your children so they grow out of this state.
People in the medical field where for me the worst, they ignored logic and science and make feel bad not taking the jab. Also refused to operate cause I didn't take it...
Half the population of the west organized their life around sports teams...the other half are cowards.
I say 3/4 not half!
This interview is a masterpiece,,,, respect for both gentlemen!!! The truth has and must prevail!!!!! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I am constantly in admiration of Jordan because of his command of the English language. My mother made me study the dictionary as a child. She wasn't the best mother in a myriad of other ways but her making me study the dictionary has helped me so much. What is man without language? Jordans command might actually save a generation.
My mother insisted on quite a similar diatribe as yours. Thank you for raising the point.
I learned English watching Disney lol
Same as with my mom rest her soul, after years of asking us kids if she looked like a dictionary, she finally just started handing it to us and she would help by starting to spell it.. but made us find it, and would not let us use a word unless we understood every meaning it could have, in any context.
My best example is the word 'gay', which became more popular as a slang slur term about the time us kids learned of it in the late 80s. The dictionary we had was printed in 1982 (for reference)
Being Gay meant happy
A Faggot meant a bundle of sticks
A Fag was a cigarette
And now those words are generally used now as insults against sexual orientation. Which is wrong. No one should have hate for things or people they don't understand.
@@ebonylyster2006 Smart mom! 💕
@@ebonylyster2006 Only an insult if learned as such.
One of the most important and positive things about recent years is that we have gained an insight into the world of politicians and their International Forces and how shit really works. Where power prevails and the "masses" are the lab rats of their indefensibility on so many levels. How they all protect each other is almost admirable because there is never anyone who has to be held accountable. And that needs to end.
I totally agree. We don't and Will not trust politicians and government never more !! 🙏💪💪
You can thank trump for exposing all of this scumbag shit going on! Now you know why they got rid rid of trump by creating this thing and making all of us bend a knee to the will of the powers that be... The lanterns of freedom must be lit once again my friend... One If By Land, Two If By Sea...
Yez, agree 100%, but how???
Among all other truths that have been told, this too is the absolute truth. They have supported and protected each other in their wickedness and we have allowed them to stay in power and to not be held accountable. Why have we done that?
@@Pilar2295 an Anarchist in the making...
This is probably one of the best and learned conversations I have ever heard on COVID-19.
I learned so much from Matt Ridley concerning on how much it became a political problem rather
than it being an important scientific issue. Great podcast !!!
Some of us knew this was planned before it happened. Check out David Martin World. It's been great fun being called a covidiot by close-minded relatives.
He is amazingly even-handed, especially with regards to "open" vs "closed" question of the virus origin.
This is exactly the kind of reasoned voice that we need leading this discussion.
Doctor Peterson is trying to be appealing to his somehow religious follower. I would ask him about his own religious feelings.
There's too much beating around the bush. I'm about half way through and so far they haven't said anything I didn't already know.
Better late than never.
“As a member of the human race I find this quite annoying” here, here. Astounding that the responsible are not charged and if convicted not jailed.
Professor Peterson is worth his weight in gold, but only if gold was worth infinitely more. Blessings to you and all those you love Sir, from Belfast.
Do you know what worth your weight in gold meant?
@@mralien4710 The phrase is pretty self explanatory. Do you know what Stephen meant?
You sound like your pledging allegiance to god dude, might be time to take a break from the internet
It's good to be worth your weight in gold in a world where most people are worth thirty pieces of silver.
@@TheGreenKnight500 bravo! Great comment 👍
Listening to this conversation has genuinely stretched my psyche, and at 67, sometimes makes me squint my eyes: neurons firing in an otherwise unexplored part of my brain. Many thanks to you both for an entertaining and enlightening evening.
I am a high-school drop out. I remember watching TVO and being floored by Dr. Peterson's words way back in the days when I probably should have been showing up to class. I am constantly grateful for you and your work that you share so freely sir. I loved this interview and your guest deserves further reading. Maybe one day we will all learn to accept our mistakes carry meaningful messages, not hide from them, and honour them by making less severe ones.
I see them less as mistakes and more as opportunity for profits. All you have to ask is who commissioned this virus, who has the power to manoeuvre something of this magnitude, who has the means to instigate such an event and who stands to profit from it.
Which pharmaceutical companies reaped the most profits, who has stock in them?
If you follow the money you'll find the truth.
Every Single Time.
You may have dropped out of school, but it seems that you have a love of learning.
My rule is: NEVER STOP LEARNING!
@@catherinenelson4162 I agree, I missed a huge amount of my school education for various reasons, and frankly I never learned anything in school that was all that useful that I didn't and couldn't learn at home, and since leaving school I've learned far more than school ever would have even attempted to teach me, I honestly wish I was home schooled and able to focus my attention to important knowledge from a younger age instead of being forced into hours upon hours of useless information the time I was at school. My school was considered one of the best non private schools in my area and the teachers were piss poor and long since checked out at best.
@@catherinenelson4162 Thank you for saying that. Excelsior!
@@MDM1992 I hear you. I look back on my life and see many teachers and schools that I loved and a few teachers/authorities I had great trouble with at the time of learning from them. I now see the horror and beauty of my mistakes and I take full responsibility for where those led me. I have come to see every experience I have had as some kind of lesson even if I was or still am too ignorant to understand it. I, like yourself, had multiple issues with school before it became clear that I likely would never return to formal education. Part of it was being sick, the other was having the epiphany that the track was leading somewhere boring and just as insecure as leaving. I wish you well in your journey.
I love watching Peterson in a discussion with others. He actually presents a pertinent idea very germane but then immediately without missing a beat presents the original idea PLUS its response.
Gemini is the ultimate master of dual mutability.
Great fun to watch him dance.
I sincerely respect Jordan B. Peterson and all which he stands for. Thank you Mr. Peterson for being among those on my list of human beings working as beacons of light in this otherwise rapidly darkening world we live in. Full respect. ❣
**For those of you who have pointed out the spelling error to me, thank you very much, I have corrected that, and 'auto' has been scolded accordingly. In regards to those anxious about my use of Mr. over Dr., I use Mr. in this instance, as to me it speaks to his humanity, rather than the personification of the scholar. Which, I'm going to have to guess, is the reason he himself left out the Dr. designation on this, his very own channel. I hope that clears everything up for everyone, and the trolls alike. 😘
God keep our land glorious and free.
*Peterson
He stands for selling you books that reinforce a narrow world view. It's all about the money.
@@etansivad what the fuck isn't about money? At least he's helping hundreds of thousands of people, what have you done to contribute to society?
@@etansivad Yes, because his message radically changed from his free lectures up for a decade on UA-cam compared to the books. Good grief.
I love this man, i wish he was our prime minister but sadly, this type of man doesn’t run in politics…
They are NOT that stupid. 😂🤣😅
So we are governmed by lesser men
They wouldn't allow him to progress. If by some fluke he won, the others would seek to corrupt him so the pillaging continues, or, create scandals to discredit and oust him.
I feel like this kind of man isn't ALLOWED to win in politics. Maybe I'm wrong but it feels that way.
@@Fergus-H-MacLeod i think you just can’t get to the top without "playing there game", doing so goes against your morals and then you quit, it would be to frustrating… i think
I really love how you share the credentials of your guests at the beginning. It really helps to validating the perspective of your guests. I love the improved production value! Keep it up!
...the wise employment of ethos.
Wow. This was an unbelievably and deeply insightful conversation.
At this point, the actual conspiracy theory is that covid came out of bat soup. It's amazing that people are still so resistant to accept what was actually going on in these labs.
'is' not 'was'. Sadly.
There are none so blind……
A lot of people should be doing hard time, including Fauci.
Gain of function = evil, evil idiots.
@@stormbringerseven8288 Especially Fauci
A lot of working folks were happy to lock down at first (fifteen days to flatten the curve) because, in the USA at least, working people are exhausted. Who wouldn't be glad for a "free" vacation for a time, when to take off from work for the longest time has required verification from a doctor, and if you stay off sick too long here, good luck keeping your job. It was when we saw churches close while liquor stores and abortion clinics stayed open that people began really smelling the rats.
And more..
My church never closed…
@@MyMeghan123 the point is many did.
The best thing about the two week lockdown in Victoria, Australia was the first eighteen months! 😡
Lazy socialist
Aren't we so incredibly lucky - having access to this type of a discussion on UA-cam ... thank you very much ... wonderful & amazing.
LUCKY? REALLY? There should be far more outrage about the censorship of latter years from the tech industry. We are not "lucky" we are STILL being heavily censored.
It is twaddle and misleading and its allowed on you tube for a reason.
I elect Jordan Peterson leader of us dudes!
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@@bigbensmith9504 ...if im a bot your little!
Thank you Dr Jordan Peterson and Mr Matt Ridley for an outstanding discussion. I could have listened to you both for hours. Very informative and educational. Thank you again. Kimberly
Myself as well, I did listen twice
What a fabulous conversation and impressive display of mutual respect! I may never bother with the inanity of TV or radio again. Thanks so much!
We turned the mainstream propaganda off too.
I cannot express how much I appreciate this conversation.
"Truth matters more than consequences." -somebody. Thank You Jordan for making this masterpiece interview available to the general public.
Yes, I agree. Much thanks.
Kanye West agrees.
@@geoms6263 the truth is what happened. Truth cannot be fractured by our perceived ideals.
Sadly our toxic culture renders most incapable of most truths, trivial and horrid.
@@creativetake_1 I think the rough idea was something like, Once you know the "truth" there is still a unknown element in life to learn more from potentially.
In Jan 2020, I was having a hard time breathing, at that time I thought it was just a bad asthma attack, (had these before) took my Ventolin as I normally did, but it just didn't do a thing, slowly I got worse and ended up calling an ambulance, I was told I passed out. I woke up in hospital 9 days later in intensive care, with many tubes down my throat, and a machine helping me breath, I was in hospital a full 3 weeks and then 2 weeks at home, my diagnosis at the time was bronchial pneumonia, I believe now it was early covid, most of the doctors said then, they never saw it not respond to the medication they gave me. Eventually it went away, but the cough lasted for months. At that time, I just wanted to die. I lost a friend who I infected or believed I did. We can't as a human race allow gain of function to continue, it angers me that they still practice these bad habits, If another virus escapes, it could be one that can kill everyone on earth.
Why were you not given Ivermectin as a therapeutic?
@oliveoil7642 I had the alpha strain no one knew it was coved back then
What scared me more about the entire exercise was how the people reacted, they was so close to vacine ID cards, permanent track and trace but worst of all was the mob mentality against un-vacinated people. I remember a women in India who did not want to be vaccinated she was thrown to the ground by a group of people she was screaming and in tears as they held her down and stuck that needle in her arm, the looks on those peoples faces who just left that women on the floor crying while they went after their next victim. People on the whole have shown that they are so easily programmed by the media news turned them into pavlov zombie dogs so quickly intelligence gave way to obey and join the pack rather than becoming victimised named and shamed as a anti vaxxer, society made me more sick than the virus ever did.
I wholeheartedly agree one million %!!! Such an eye opener for me. A few of my neighbors & I have become quite close over the years. When suggested we all go down "for the vaxx together, then have lunch"; I declined saying I'd meet for lunch. They asked if I'd gotten the vax already and I said I wasnt taking it, omg I never felt so set upon in my life. This was the last time 3 of them spoke to me! True colors showing like I've never seen before. I even heard a rumor that some were looking into any way they could make us MOVE OUT. I wasn't as angry as I was hurt; and VERY hurt at that. Things aren't uncomfortable for me here anymore as they were in the begining but many of my neighbors still can't (or won't) look me in the face & certainly not in the EYE. When I read your comment here, I know I don't get out much but I read a lot, & yours is the first comment or statement of this nature that I have encountered; & I appreciate your feeling & indeed share it. It could become an overwhelming thought & by itself, lead a person into depression. However in my case (& I have a strong feeling in your case as well as you felt the stunning blow as I did of "our brother & sister fellow Americans", for the gain of their weekly paycheck or to look good or gain status or a raise or promotion or WHAT EVER, thought NOTHING of MURDERING mass amounts of people; elderly, middle aged, young adults, teens, children now infants. They've gone from killing them with vaxes, to a hospital in Boston 1st one of its kind they boast for gender reassignment FOR INFANTS!!! I honestly can't bear the thought of the thought of this happening. I tried to get some people together~ enough to have a protest but no one at all agreed to come. I will get some people and do this for sure. An area hospital here where I live, had a group of about 10 to 12 nurses that called each other "serial killers" & really made jokes all through their shift with the excuse that " if they didn't laugh they'd cry". In MY opinion, it would have been more HUMAN to cry. God bless you and your caring heart. Sorry for being so long winded but it felt good too get it ALL OUT. (& that wasn't ALL but it'll do) Prayers & Blessings.
❤️🤍💙🇺🇲🤍💚🇵🇰🕊️
Also the police became Fascist immediately. Required no convincing. They went along with every Fascist implementation right away.
This former nurse was asking ligit questions and was screamed at by doctors told me my time as an RN of 33 yrs was coming to an end! I hope someday they will see the light and realize the enormity of their errors by pushing the poison shots to innocent people. I feel for the children
So glad I didn't live in India 😢
You live in India, had the heat turned up only another degree or two.
My husband got the Vax. I did not.
He got covid and past it too me.
My symptoms were very mild.
My husband did not survive.
I'm devastated to say the least. We were supposed to grow old together
I want justice.
I am so sorry 😞. I want justice for you as well.
I’m so so sorry 😢 for what you are going through.
I lost 3 family members to covid...I feel your pain and ANGER...Covid was an act of war released in Wuhan during the military Olympic games to spread it worldwide
We r all looking for justice,!!!
That's tragical. No doubt.
But you still write [passed] like this; not like this: [past].
in every corner of the world there have been brave souls that speak out the truth- although unknown on the UA-cam platform, deserve applaud for the courage to speak up.
I hope I can't meet Mr.Peterson before I die. This man is truly fighting for us . He one of the last ones that means what he says I believe
You will probably get your hope and dream. 99% sure
Thank you, Dr. Peterson for continuing to speak out on the most horrific crime ever ….
Not really but it makes a top 10 list maybe
...because it personally affected you?
@@NeonCicada because the risk was known before the virus was modified.
I’m sick of researching a situation, coming to the correct conclusion and everyone around me thinking I’m mad or stupid.
It doesn’t take a genius to read, listen and think……
I think you'll find the ones who believe you're mad or stupid spend most of their downtime passively scrolling social media or binging Netflix
@@spaceedementia Witchell Do you mean Intentionally manipulated or "inserted" (Minute 17) by human intervention ?
The funding of the Wuhan research center by certain pharmaceutical giants has been a major talking point since Mr Anthony Fauci, who as we know, was proven to have been the representative and lobbyist of such companys and who paid the Chinese large sums of money in order to research the influences of biological warfare by viruses pimped to fit our immune system.
Welcome to my world :)
@WilliamHelstad it’s very simple. There are world renowned scientific experts. Part of their “day job” is explaining science to us lay members of the public, publishing their scientific findings and commenting on other scientists research/ findings, comments, decisions.
Read, listen and think….
As for the evaluation, again, read, listen and think about what world class scientists are saying to us the lay public.
I made my decision not to get vaccinated because the covid-19 vaccine is an experimental vaccine technology which had not completed its safety tests / findings. Call me crazy, but I wouldn’t fly to another country in an experimental plane either.
I gave up trying to talk to people about it 18 months ago!
Jordan, I really enjoyed this interview. You asked very specific questions, very well formulated, you acted like a top of the line journalist, and you allowed the guest to explain his points in length. Exelent job!
I know this is a serious topic, but I love seeing Jordan laugh. ! Always a treat to see Such an adorable smile and giggle come out of a rational serious Scholar
Wow! What an amazing time we live in where ordinary Joes can sit in like a fly on the wall and listen to such a deep discussion between two of the brightest minds of our time - utterly mesmerizing. If UA-cam had allowed such inquisitive probings two years ago, we might not be so divided now.
Hardly.....neither of them have a clue what they are talking about. FFS.....do wake up.
@@bigbensmith9504 oh ok. What are they getting wrong? Genuine question.
@@cnrspiller3549the bot is all over the comments🙄
And the FBI are 👀
@@bigbensmith9504 neither do you
Okay, I traveled to a ranch in the late '90s, a vacation, fishing paradisiacal in Montana. I met a biologist who told me about the lab in Wuhan, how he worked there, how dangerous and inhumane the work was and why he left. He said he feared if he did not leave, God might damn his soul to hell, a pretty powerful statement for a man who claimed agnosticism as the wall he hid behind.
Does that mean the US were funding research at Wuhan supposedly future health research but really under that cloak research into biological weapons.
I would love for you to elaborate further.
Wow, that is profound.
You got my attention. Anything else you can add to that?
Amazing. Thank you for posting this. Please elaborate. As far as damning the soul to Hell, how could Dr. Fauci get away with the following, albeit a bit paraphrased, RACIST statement: "These are deadly viruses, so we don't experiment on them in Kansas, we do it in China." So, let's locate an experimental research station in a major population center in SOME OTHER country from mine. Racist monster.
I’m so grateful that we are able to openly discuss the leak theory without it being censored 🙏🏽 The truth cannot be veiled much longer.
I completely agree! 👍🏻💖😇
Thats because the lab leak is just the next cover story, hiding the real truth.
Except for the propaganda link on everything about this topic. And we say we live in a democratic world…
@@Laura-tb7nm if those links are enough to be an excuse to devalue what you just watched, then so be it.
@@jotomato If you made an assumption that I devalue what I watch, so be it.
Dr Faucci’s name has disappeared from the news, why aren’t we holding this man accountable??
Because this intentionally released from a US laboratory, used to slow down China’s economic growth and attack the CCP. This creates hatred and fear among the people, and use this opportunity to gain more control and divide the mid-lower class people domestically. They needed someone for the public to “believe”, then to “blame”.
Because he did the machines bidding.
Blame yellows
Best interview ever. Everyone who lost a loved one due to Covid must listen to this interview. Thank you JP
@@oliakrist8648I agree but it’s almost like a coping mechanism to deny it because that’s what we’ve been brainwashed to do which I believe will take many people a long time to break even though there’s various evidence that this was a planned event. The truth hurts but you follow history or you connect the dots you can see that this was in the works for decades. Just like almost ever other major event in the world like the world wars was financed, planned, and excuted precisely for self gain by the same 1% of people that pull the strings.
my dad
@Ima Womble nope- amazing that you jump to racism. You give away your ignorance
@@nosuchthing8
He doesn’t have to say it’s impossible. If you think it is then the burden of proof is on you to show it.
@Olia Krist amen!
As busy as you are, Dr. Peterson, I’m quite sure you’ll never see this, but I just wanted to comment (and I rarely ever comment on anything I watch on UA-cam), the last 25 minutes was one of the best conversations I think I’ve ever heard. Thank you for all you do.
It's so inspiring to see these men take such care with the terms they use, defining them in detail and analysing their infinite manifestations with each other. This is how real intellectuals discuss critical matters, seeking understanding and connection before all else. An inspiring and informative discussion.
A a O
Lol
@@mdshafee1947 what is that! 🧐
yes “the way” they are discussing things is a format that is respect oriented, which is a desirable way to behave and serves all involved much more completely. With that said, this does not speak to the things they are discussing and the assumptions they are analyzing. Point being they are discussing just the surface narrative that has been “ok’d” to discuss and won’t bring any unwanted “heat” to them. Now if this conversation would have taken place two years ago it would have been cutting edge and controversial, and would have likely resulted in one or both men having their account suspended, because it was not ok to talk about it then because the approved narrative in late 2020 was still vehemently denying any talk of lab leak, and anyone who spoke about it was flatly labeled as a disinformation spreader and a threat to society who must be silenced and destroyed personally and professionally, even though they would have been speaking truth. So what these two are missing in their dialogue is their perception of the issue. They are focusing on things that aren’t real…like using language like “mistake” or “leak(as a mistake) or “errors” or “got it wrong” and phrases of this nature. What they are missing from their framing is that they are blind to the very conscious and very deliberate evil that is behind this atrocity. i mean come on “Wet market Shmet market” Any time devoted to “The Wet Market” is time taken away from focusing on the issue, which is seriously ill scientists getting a thrill out of deceiving mass populations and lying to them in an effort to trick them so they will behave in the fashion they want them too. Like fear some scary thing(that really is not a danger for most) that you can’t see and then run to get this shot we want you to take(that has none of the promised properties and is not actually “safe”)
This video is literally a demonstration of the effectiveness and talent of the professional propagandists. The finesse used to lay out breadcrumbs that appear as “finding something” is impressive. It is akin to a losing candidate hashing over what went wrong with a campaign that came up short but not address the election itself that was wrought with empirical fraud.
If the true source of a problem is obscured and a false narrative is offered-up in its absence, then any discussion using the manufactured narrative only gets you further from the truth, not closer.
Images is EVERYTHING, behind the scenes is the Gag Scientists were fighting against not too long ago.
How ironic, Energy triples it's highest rate ever in under 5 years.
The Government Bans Whole home Filtration for water and Air.
Covid pops off and they have NOT brought anyone an air filter or water filter. Since the Ban.... Seems not intentional at all.
You and I are born scientists and explorers.
It is school that interferes with your learning and physical development.
"NO IT'S NOOOOOOOOOOOT".
Well, to that denial I say go jump on a dating site and notice what Generational Americans and Canadians took like in Comparison to new comers.
Fat, dumb and dopey is what our hone team typically looks like as we reach outside our borders to did the educational people to run our country.
Fucking Morons
Elegant way of saying Don’t piss on my boots and tell me it’s raining…’we chose truths over facts’ Biden.
Merci!
Pour mieux diffuser, il faudrait la possibilité d'un sous-titrage en différentes langues possibles.
Pour ma part en français pour une plus large diffusion.
C'est très important de diffuser largement la vérité cachée.
En effet!!! Les révélations faites sur ce dossier sont tellement pertinentes, et méritent d'être entendues par plusieurs audiences.
JP always raising the bar: more nuanced discourse, more rigorous thinking, more detailed analysis, better chosen phrases. I'm glad to see him flourishing in a society that glorifies stupidity and repudiates the critical thinking that got us this far.
The role of interviewer/moderation for topics that are not in his field of expertise (by a number of postcodes!) is a WASTE of his talents. I wish he would stop these wild excursions into popular topics for the sake of publicity instead of sticking to psychology and its direct periphery.
@@poopongmcplop3635 How about the psychology of how 99.99% of the world responded with a mob and sheep like mentality and that the first response of governments were to act and impose totalitarian methods to experiment with what the psychological reaction would be first to lockdowns, then having to have to get the jab to particpate in certain activites like school and appointments, a good reason to homeschool, along with many other reasons
I would replace "thus far" with a few decades ago; I am still looking for a high school and/or college for that matter outside of philosophy perhaps that teaches critical thinking as a mandatory course, that is partly; I would say mostly why we are where we are today and also why so refreshing to listen to JP talk and discuss using rational, critical thought
@@spirestocksnotification6710 Fair point, however I believe others can also deliver that (you will of course have to find them.. might take some effort), while his work on maps of meaning and the interpretation of stories is something I have never seen anyone else to to the degree of real life utility that JBP did. That´s why I think we are losing out if he uses his time to talk about popular topics as a (albeit VERY) smart interviewer.
@@poopongmcplop3635 JP can do both, and he wants doing both.
I'm so grateful for this! Thank you both, Dr Peterson and Dr Ridley!
This is very rather interesting.. From day one ive thought that this could not be a naturally occuring situation and i am very very pleased to see that people who have knowledge of virology are starting to look into deeper to the subject. Thank you from bottom of my heart.
I dunno folks I think the promotion of a lab leak theory is probably a red herring.
More likely the emergence of Covid 19 is a symptom of the severe and critical impairment of the earths capacity to detoxify itself.
Call me crazy, … at least we got an expert on board
At about minutes 15-19 the discussion turns to the genetic sequence and references “ a feering 😅” feature that is possibly an indication the virus was engineered. The consulted expert in beige sports jacket mentions that this feature has been found in other viruses but he doesn’t elaborate.
Now this is interesting but I hypothesize that we should be cautious in assuming a geographical point of origin near this lab in wuhan is not proof it actually came from there. What geopolitical powers exist that would like to implicate Chinese authorities or actors were responsible? And set them up to take the blame, to suffer the consequences and perhaps not coincidental ly, set a precedent for how to address the public health crisis, in an authoritarian non democratic socio political context.
Bottom line is cleaner environment s are an important if not essential line of defense between people other living things and pathogens.
As long as the powers that control public health policy and buy vaccines for the immunization programs continue to toe the line that mass immunization is the appropriate strategy to resolve the pandemic we are unlikely to ever truly beat it.
Have a great day!!
Ok Matt Ridley guy is continuing to hit some targets on my resistance from about minute 27 to thirty plus! Leaked documents, research on bats : were these grants applied for only or actually funded research at wuhan labs? Suppressed lab accountancy/ project summaries with the potential to either implicate or exonerate the lab: also concerning. Bats were getting a bit of play from cbc I think at least a year ago as a possible species of origin for a naturally arising pandemic source. Like we can trust those guys a hunnerd percent of the time… I bet jp doesn’t!!
Quite proficiency
Many see
Last 5 syllables.
It is sad.
Anyone with actual knowledge of virology knows that virology doesn't do control experiments. It isn't a science, just a political tool.
English tip: try not to use two adverbs like "very rather" and "very very". Just pick one adverb at a time 👍
This video was such a wonderful conversation. Thank you!
I have "dabbled" a bit with listening to Jordan in the last few years. He is so well spoken and organized in his delivery of subject matter I really was drawn in. Now in the present, he seems to be propelled with great speed into mainstream. I am going to join Daily Wire so I can hear all the great stuff that is in the works with the core people of the Wire, and the new inductee to their circle, Jordan. I am seventy now and have not enjoyed listening to much for years now, but I have found a new past time listening to the likes of both of these learned , objective, inquisitive seekers of the truth about everything!
Who are you quoting when you say "dabbled"?
@@GregoryShtevensh Air quotes tend to not be a literal quotation, but rather are usually used to imply "for lack of better words" or a general uncertainty around the word choice.
I have always thought Jordan was an unorganized speaker.
He is intelligent and you can learn a lot from him but he is difficult to understand because of his delivery. He is a much better writer than speaker of ideas.
Better late than never. Welcome to the light.
@@rogerwelsh2335 It's because he just daiisy-chains "intelligent" words to create a 200 word word-salad.
I am not the kind of person who usually comments on UA-cam videos. This is my first time doing so because I believe quite strongly in what I am going to write and I think it could be meaningful and helpful for others to read. I also think I owe it to the guidance and framework I have received through the work of Dr. Peterson and the individuals he converses with on his podcasts and the messages, hopes and aspirations that they carry.
Firstly, I think that this is one of the best podcast interviews I have seen. I think that the tone of the podcast was completely appropriate, and I deeply appreciated the objective, intelligent, and professional manner of dialogue between Dr. Peterson and Dr. Ridley. It was increasingly evident to me that the conversation was happening in good faith and in real pursuit of a higher truth, and knowing that gave me comfort. I could drop my usual defenses, to some extent, and really focus to what was happening in the conversation. Although the subjects of conversation we are times deeply complex, I felt that I was able to understand and grab as much as the participants in the room were able to. I especially appreciated the thoughtful dialogue towards the end about the delineation of religion in its form as an idealistic spirit towards a higher truth and the potential degeneration of religion in our objective, human reality through the influence of totalitarianism, and the practical importance of differentiating such (to prevent needless conflict between similarly minded religious and scientific individuals). Although I am no expert on the matter, the idea of science and religion being jointly united in the spirit of attempting to form some sort of relationship with a transcendent entity, either object or being, was deeply powerful, and the visceral emotion between both Dr. Peterson and Dr. Ridley appeared to celebrate that in a deeply profound manner which I cannot fully articulate. I suspect that bit of the conversation might have even been religious itself.
Secondly, I want to use this as an opportunity to provide some commentary on some aspects of my own life. As my understanding and perspective of the world has been expanding, I have felt increasingly confident and motivated (in an intrinsic manner, it would seem) to talk about political topics with people I meet in my life. Uber drivers, classmates, friends, professors, etc. I have noticed that people largely agree on most things. This is especially prevalent if you are able to talk in a manner that expresses what you actually mean, have developed somewhat of a personal connection, and are genuinely and evidently aiming to communicate at a higher truth.
I am an undergraduate student at a very liberal elite institution in the United States and have consistently been amazed at the surprising agreement I have received from professors in rather lengthy personal conversations about both controversial academic and political topics as long as certain practicalities are adhered to, such as those described earlier. There is a bit of tact involved in these conversations, but I can say with full honesty that to the extent of my self awareness, there was no point where I felt like I had lied about what I truly believed.
This, along with a series of both past and more recent motivational and meaningful events in my life, has motivated me to begin trying to create an organization on campus which, through discussions and a podcast series, encourages speech oriented at this higher truth, not the commonplace manipulative power games or passive disinterest that unfortunately appears to characterize so many of my classmates. I believe that if I can organize a group of diversely minded but similarly oriented-at-the-good individuals, and we can produce lengthy, challenging conversations in good faith about these issues to the best of our ability, perhaps we can tip the scales a bit more towards a higher truth and a bit less towards the totalitarian hell that seems to becoming ever so real. Maybe we can even provide some hope to our classmates and demonstrate that a higher form of dialogue not only exists, but is deeply and intrinsically preferable to the current power-games, passivity, or snide resentment. This video has provided me a real source of meaning and motivation to see this through, and I hope that in good time I will be able to provide an update of the outcome of my efforts.
Very interesting and insightful opinion. Keep it up man, it’s noticeable that your intentions come from hard and deep reflection, and can produce a positive change for your and those around you.
I fully understand where you come from... this "search for higher truth", deeply resonated with me too, and I think this "declaration of faith in the search of truth" is psychological powerful and the best way to combat what is happening in universities with its takeover by the religion of wokism, that ultimatly is not a religion of truth, but a religion of power and resentment. if feels weird someone atheist and rational like me talking in such religious term... but they are appropriate, because I do have this faith based belief that the search of truth is the higher goal, but somehow, we don't state this enough...
@@carlosmarin9255 Or a tap on the shoulder or a lock breaking loud knock on your door.
Dear professor, I haven’t come to your channel for a while, because my VPN hasn‘t worked very well since last October. I now live in China, in Beijing. I just want to say that I like not only your points of view but also and even more, your way of thinking…and I am also a loyal reader to Dostoevsky. I have few people here to communicate with, which is sad but I fortunately got use to it. I would like to tell you and your audience that in this suffocating country, I still strive to maintain independent thinking, I do my best to get access to forbidden knowledges, I express my views bravely to the others( even if they don’t understand and have no will to do so) and I still believe in truth and justice. Maybe there are not many people like me, but after all, I’m still here. I don‘t think I can awaken others, my people live in misery but still they are grateful for all the government has done and all the lies been told. I am chained, just like everybody else in this country, but I know that deep inside my heart and mind are still free. And I shall never give it up to the totalitarians.
Wow, i hope you get your vpn working good again!
I feel you and am going through it with you. We are not alone, we will beat this, especially with thinking like yours, because in the end nobody can really take our light because the moment they do they will come crumbling down because we are all one. Dive deep, soar high, become infinite! I love you!
Just run away from there if you can... China is doomed so far...
Try this. 3 weeks ago in Brussels, Dr. Dave Martin made his research public. All evidence points to a research lab in America.
You are not alone. God is watching over you, and He will make a way for you. Keep on going forward even if people around you don't understand. Many blessings
Always a pleasure to follow an intelligent discussion.
This is what I call a civilised conversation between two great minds who know how to listen even when they have opposing views without judgment without defensiveness with lots of respect and mostly with the utter goodwill of reexplaining and rewording one’s thoughts to meet the other person halfway peacefully without any attempts of imposing anything. Just love how articulate and smart both are!!!! I want people like that in my life!!!
GREAT MINDS '?? Pseudo intellectual political
lies. WHERE IS DR. LINDA QIUICK ?
it's entertainment - we are the borg - resistance is futile - you will be assimilated
@@kevinfitzmaurice-brown1683 seems Quick was defunded by the Trump administration and left in July months before the outbreak began in China. Her job was to help detect outbreaks in China. She was resident advisor to the U.S. field Epidemiology training program in China. It was discontinued in September before the outbreak. The first cases of Pneumonia were reported on December 31st. If she was there it might have helped but it seems like she wasn't. What's your point using her name? 🤔 Art 😀 🎨 ✨️
@@fotogwaii hey that's a line from hitch hikers guide not the borge get you Sci FYI right lol. 😉
@@kevinfitzmaurice-brown1683 What did they lie about? Be specific please.
Amazing content. There are no words to explain the massive opportunity that we have to listen to these conversations.
This conversation between Jordan Peterson and Matt Ridley have taught me more than anything i've learned from anywhere else during my adult life.
I caught Covid Feb 2021. In a coma for 12 days in hospital for 6 weeks and still recovering. I’m so confused how this virus just packed up and left this earth. Everyday I sit and look for answers. Thanks for this . ❤
Please complete an herb parasite cleanse. This will help your healing.
It didn't just pack up. It's still infecting hundreds of thousands. The media has gone silent as the elite globalists have made their easy billion on capitalizing from the disease and are preparing for the next $$$ event.
hope your better now, everyone had covid around me but i just carried on and never caught it 'as far as i know', there is a lot more to this than were being told, what a shithole the world has become with Ukraine etc it would be a far better place without us humans,we will eventually destroy ourselves
Sounds like a consequence of being jabbed with experimental gene therapy (gene jabs)
@@marilyn8884 can you recommend a good parasite cleanse… I had Covid over a year ago and I still having some gut issues thx 🙏🏻
I've lost young friends to heart attacks after their shots. My mother battles a leg clot from her booster. It feels like a hell we can't escape
Praying for you brother!
🙏🏽♥️
Had chest pain followed by dizzy spells within a day after my 3rd shot. Lasted a month occurring several times each day. Fortunately it cleared up after a month. Didn’t get any more shots after that.
❤️🙏❤️
Condolences for your loss of friends. Prayers your Mom heals 🙏
I am afraid to come out with my story. I have worked in a lab where I worked on a project integrating a 12 basepair cleavage site for furin in influenza viruses. I was an intern there and our produced virus worked. I'm bound to extreme legal issues if I come forward but I really need to talk about it. I hope this story will be heard and I want to let you know China is not the only lab undergoing research in producing dangerous viruses
Yup we are doing it also and we funded Wuhan so it's all on us even if it did come from Wuhan
You're better off reaching out to project veritas or Rebel news. They have lawyers etc. Take care
@project veritas
Purbright in the UK has a fair input in this bullshit,also one of the pies bill gates fingers are in
Isn't there a lab in the US that is also (still) doing this "type" of research?
I’m surprised UA-cam hasn’t pulled this yet. Questioning the origins of covid may piss off their Chinese masters.
Matt’s description of his ‘religious’ feelings when he encountered Dawkin’s book are the exact feelings I get when I listen to Jordan. There are bits and pieces throughout each interview/talk that send chills up my spine and give me the feeling of standing on the edge of the world. Coming from the Nazarene church, I’ve always had the feeling we have been trying to conveniently put God into a ‘box’ or a book so that we as humans can digest. But these moments I’m referring to when listening to Jordan, blow the roof off of everything I believe and make God more living and real right now than ever before. I’ve never been struck with more awe and wonder of God, than I have been the past few years listening to Jordan and his guests.
That's very cool. :)
@@_nebulousthoughts Actually Jordan isn't an atheist, he is now a Christian that believes in God. Listen closer and research more.
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As a Christian, I've listened to the wisdom that Jordan speaks forth, and wonder if this comes from God, through one of His people.
Sometimes he sounds like a believer, then he takes God's name in vain.
Then I read the next comment from a lady that says Jordan's wife is a Christian.
He certainly has LOTS of credibility in his work.
@Olia Krist I think you are right about that, because I recognize that struggle he has, I am struggling with the same thing. I feel the urge to defend Christ against the materialism, atheism etc, but somehow I can't reconcile that battle within myself, even though I have had rich spiritual experiences, love Jesus, etc.
@Ryne Sickel: The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. (Romans13:12 NKJV)
You've changed my life with your work and ideologies for the better, and you're bringing truth into the world in a way that will have an immeasurable impact, so a sincere thank you. Further, I'm happy to be a contributor to your financial prosperity, have purchased your programs and books, and look for more ways to get involved with your material. However, please keep your ads in check. This many per video makes it annoying for someone as invested in your narrative as me to make it through. The chance of people still just interested but not sold of getting through all of the ads is even smaller.
You can always press forward or pay premium.
I fast forward through the ads. Do u really think the good doctor would give away his time for free? The sponsors of the video pay his salary and the salaries of the other ppl working on this video and it helps pay utilities for where he's shooting the video at. If u were in his shoes would u work for free? U get paid to work at your job, why shouldn't he get paid for his?
I listen to the adds as my form of payment for Dr. Peterson's educational services. An exceedingly small price to pay, IMO.
@@claytonbink1647 if you aren't going to act on the advertisments, dont waste your own time. he gains nothing, it doesnt help. not talking about youtube ads, just the ones he puts in the videos manually
@@emelyarye2641 : I'm with you. These sheep people who feel they're doing a good deed listening to interruptions in the conversation are, well - they need Peterson's help more than anyone.
Manually placed ads are sacrilege.
Dr. Petersen and Matt Ridley you both gave me so much hope that people of your academic caliber are talking about these topics that may be affecting the outcome our very humanity. All people need to share this with friends and family. Thank you both for expanding our minds by connecting the dots between science and faith.
I agree with them sharing this vital information but I don’t see how it will change things. Gates et al, are already planning for the next Plandemic.
Dr Peterson, I just want to say how much I appreciate everything you do, I'm thankful for persons like you that make people think and are focused on truth.
As a laboratory professional of 39yr, THANK YOU.
I actually received an email in just a few days following the Fauci directed shutdown. It's taken 2 years for the facts in that email to come out. Thank you.
What did the Email say?
Shutdown what?
Please debate me if you dare...The covid-19 virus most probably entered Wuhan (China) during World Military Games in Wuhan on October 2019, brought by US athletes.
This virus was already spread among US Navy and Army personnel by then.
Wuhan Lab got nothing to do with this virus because the spreading of the virus has shown that most death tolls were not in Wuhan nor China's neighboring countries.
Most probably this virus was created and leaked in Fort Detrick Bioweapon Lab.
@@satriojumeneng7055 what's your evidence?
@@satriojumeneng7055 I'm open to other possibilities with evidence
One of the most profound discussions on UA-cam l have heard, absolutely phenomenal. Thank you Doctors Ridley and Peterson.
I agree. These men are brilliant!!
Ridley has yet to go down the rabbit hole, Jordan has and prooves its a sane and dignified human enterprise…its been called conspiracy theory but that wont cross Ridley’s lips
Yes, thank you to them both!
It doesn't matter what side of the political fence you are on, it's the FACTS and TRUTH that we all should be looking for.
I know what you are saying. But what Peterson is gettin at is Facts and Truth are now subjective. Facts are now bent for political gain. What you (me and normal people) are looking for is Truth that meets the scrutiny of God, is truly true, unfiltered and truly honest.
A common saying is “only God knows the truth.” What caused Aunt Sally’s mysterious death?” Only God knows.
@@Torus2X Yes, God is the only real judge of where the truth lies , but we must do our best to find it.
Tear down the fence and solve the problems.
we are just normal citizen, impossible to know the truth, may be we will know the "truth " that these politicians want us to know😅
@@KaraLynnJack rational critical thought= truth
You know the world effed-up when Truth became Crime
" Truth matters more than Consequence"
WOW! Great thought!
Thank you both.❤
My favorite quote was “It is like looking for a gas leak with a match.”
@@terriekallal6988 kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk 1:52:35 ii
As Yuval Harari says "Science is not about truth, it is about power"
@@kitcat4512 No wonder he is working for the globalist cabal.
I am personally convinced that the pandemic was a consequence of a lab leak. But even if that was not the case, the conduct of the government's and scientific community is appalling and deeply worrying.
Not just the scientific community. Everything.
The intelligence community, the press and the big tech companies censoring the truth since day 1.
It's all disgusting and riddled with lies.
I agree with your premise, however when Covid became a story it was quickly pressed into service as means to damage Trump, as Rahm Emmanuel famously quipped "Never let a crisis go to waste."
The fact that this content is free is refreshing! What a time to be alive!
Ok bot (or shill). This is exactly the kind of content that **should** be free.
It's not 'refreshing' at all (though the conversation is). It's on UA-cam, a largely free platform for a reason. XD
Only if you are alive! My dad was murdered by this regime and I will continuously say it and have been since the beginning. This was done on purpose and my dad was murdered! I wish I could say wow what a time to be alive, I get what you're saying and I don't want to demean your feeling.
@@AJgypsy3 On the other hand I DO wish to demean his feelings . A great time to be alive my arse. Does the writer want to allow them to narrate his life forever? He likes being a slave or does he not think he is one?
He is a bot. Or even worse, a shill
I'm driving my self nuts about these ads over the top of the conversation
I lost my mom and step dad to covid this year I don't care if it offends the scientists to want answers we deserve them...and honest ones
Hey, here’s your answer: they died of a naturally occurring disease.
@@ToddHowar.dyour not too good on tact, but each to there own. Peace
Sorry for your loss.
Your ignorance makes the lie grow (they were killed), or, well, it is the Internet, you could be lying. In a world of lairs and lies, I hardly believe anyone, and no one should either. Only believe someone if you hear him speak in front of you, and looking at your eyes, and even in that instance, they can still lie, but it's more difficult.
@@ignacio6454 I agree I do not trust anyone anymore. The world is full of bullshit. Truth and morals don’t mean anything anymore. Humans suck. I only believe my own truth and I will continue to the day I die to remain true to myself and others. Why live a lie. Most of the world is and what do you get out of that? Discontentment, anger, disillusionment, a sense of living by caution, not for me. :) good luck out there. Not everyone is full of it though, don’t give up on the hood ones :)
mr peterson is a global treasure.....he puts a face for the people..he is our voice.
I'm happy for this great, truly good man to speak for "We the people..."
He's the best thing to come out of Canada since @Tom MacDonald.
@Karl with a K What do you think is "nonsense" about JBP?
I truly belive Dr. Peterson has one of the greatest minds ever to be born on this earth.
but he knows nothing about viruses.
@@georgesibley7152 What certifies you as a reliable judge of who does or doesn't know about viruses? Apparently no one had a clear understanding of viruses.
@@kyleriddle8734 of course they do, but i doubt very much that you do, what is your expertise in Viruses. especialy as you believe that a;ll the virologists and medical researchers on Twiv and elsewhere know less than you do.
Surely better than Elon Musk's .
@@georgesibley7152 That is why he invited someone that does, your point?
The world needs to see this!!!
Watching and listening to this has made my day (maybe even my year).. "If you can't exturpate Faith from the Human Spirit then you might as well have a mild version of it - called the Church of England..." these two guys can wring the juice out of this Covid Origin debate and still throw blinding quotes like this totally off-the-cuff into the conversation. How brilliant is it to hear two learned men talk like this around the content of Science and Nature in the early 21st Century as the Sun sets on the dying West. Beautiful work here guys. Love from Scotland.