Fixing my Cheap Porsche Cayman S cost how much???
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Unfortunately, my 2008 Porsche Cayman continues to experience a bunch of mechanical issues, so today's challenge is to restore this car to excellent mechanical and cosmetic condition! We'll go through everything that I needed to do to keep the car running and looking great (it's a lot...)
Hi Luke, I’m an exPorsche technician. The exhaust system holds a lot of fumes following an air-oil separator failure. Give the car a good run and it will clear the exhaust out. All the interior niggles are well known Cayman issues with the mileage that you have
Do you know how to fix Scenic 2 locked windows?
1:25 Besides fuel system cleanup, is “motor oil treatment” a real thing? I thought engine oil can only be replaced. Thanks!
@@yansong8733 Liqui Moly makes an engine flush that you put in before you flush the old oil. You run it for 15min or so before draining so it has a chance to free up any particulates that otherwise would stay in the engine.
I just use Seafoam to accomplish the same result.
This guy makes good car videos. I wonder what would happen if he made videos about Macbooks.
Do you think it would get any subscribers? 🤣🤣😂
Having owned a wide variety of Porsche models throughout the past 35+ years I feel confident to say that Porsches are highly reliable vehicles for as long as you're able to throw tons of money at an< poiblem that could possibly - and therefore will - occurr. It is what it is! The purchase price is always the minor issue. Maintenenance and repairs make the difference! Owning a Porsche doesn't take much. Keeping it in usable condition does!
So its not bulletproof then?
I’ve owned almost exclusively German cars and they have all been really good. Never owned a Porsche though sounds terrible the way you described it😂
As the owner of the cheapest porsche cayman (non s) in the country I empathize with your struggle. These cars, especially pre-2009 are a unique bag of potential gremlins that have to be really well researched and understood before your decide to get into one. The biggest fear for me was bore scoring and IMS bearing damage, but I paid extra to have the oil changed and we cut open the filter looking for particulate as well as pulling down the oil pan. Then snaked a camera into the cylinders. Luckily it came back clean in that regard but I have had to quite a few of the same fixes.
I’m looking at a non S myself to hopefully avoid the bore scoring. What’s your ownership experience been like in terms of repairs?
@@ericlecours4208 pretty mild, when i got the car it had a split CV boot on the right rear, a replacement axle was $900 and took maybe an hour and a half to replace. That was the major fix everything else has been small easy items. These are race cars and porsche built them to be worked on quickly so most things that break are pretty trivial to fix compared to just about any other post 2000 sports car. Most annoying fix was the wiper fluid reservoir replacement because I had to take the drivers side front fender off. That said i do need to replace the head liner next because this was a car made in the mid 2000's so the foam is completely failed and that will be a tricky one without taking the front window out.
When I got my 987.1 I had all the same issues. Shocking to see how much I saved doing the repairs myself.
This "cleaning" bill was bullshit. Don't ever fall for that BS. Always get a second opinion first. Please find another shop to deal with. I like seeing you jump right in there and change that MAF sensor, good on you. If you had a garage, you could have saved quite a few grand :) Look forward to more of this type of content.
Luke, you kinda forgot to factor in the lawyers costs on how much this car was for you… you’re on some $26000 + elbow grease + lawyering up to get everything straight.
I understand if you feel that’s a personal matter.
Great watch on these two car videos, really like the slightly different vibe you give from your all things Apple channel.
It’s really cool to see you out of your comfort zone, discovering and learning new things.
Eagerly waiting for more.
Luke, What a monster of a car! With your technical skills and mechanic hourly rates, you need to be your own mechanic. That is the only way I can afford to own my vintage Saabs,
Cheap Porsche's always end up not being 'cheap' any more after expensive repairs! Liking this new channel, especially as you're doing some of the work yourself. Interested to know if you are you using genuine Porsche parts?
There’s nothing more expensive than a cheap Euro car.
If the AOS was only $100, you can be certain it’s not OEM. But that’s not a bad thing. The URO brand isn’t near as bad as the pedantic PCar disciples would have you believe.
I bought my new AOS direct from a Porsche dealer (US) because it was less than the online parts places. It was a dealer selling online at wholesale prices. There are a few of them, just use Google to search by part number. The market is crazy right now, you’ve got to check ALL of the sources before buying. OEM is ok too, remember that Porsche did not make most of these parts, their suppliers did.
Love seeing your Porsche content, Luke. And it's a Cayman -- excellent choice. I'm subscribed.
Quite possible you’re looking at cylinder bore scoring as others have said. Typical symptoms are smoke from exhaust and increasing oil usage. Keep track of the amount of oil the car is using, and look to have a bore scope inspection carried out.
Yeah also the mileage that the car has does give me a hint that the bore scoring could be a possibility. Specially because of the 3.4L engine that it has…
I’ve fallen down the Porsche lore rabbit hole the last few weeks… and between this guy and Joe talks cars (who actually got his engine rebuilt because of bore scoring) I am nearly positive I’ll be going with a 978.1 BASE. So far I haven’t seen any reports of bore scoring on the smaller engine.
It’s starting to seem like the bore scoring really is that widespread and an obvious design/manufacturing flaw for Porsche.
@ericlecours4208 I've heard it only occurs to 5-10% of engines, but that's why these cars are so cheap to buy compared to 987.2 and only slightly more expensive than the 987.1 base.
I’m pleased because the Cayman never gets as much love as it should
Especially the base model, which in my opinion, is underrated.
@ewilson8504 You say underrated but the S models are only slightly more expensive (because of bore score risk).
You polish in the dollars - hit the ext with claybar and wax. Will look as good as your int.
Good job on the MAF DIY. If the AOS was really bad, you'll get a lot of oiling internally. Since you had it cleaned, I'd still do a 100 mi trip to burn out any residual oil. A couple of trips around town won't be enough.
The smoke you're seeing on start. I had a similar issue, and like you had the AOS replaced etc. After replacing it, I had the smokey starts, and after a year of dealing with it, I found out I had cylinder wall scoring. (This was on a 987 2008 Boxster S).
Anyways good luck!
Dude, you own a Porsche… this is just the beginning, strap in
love the porsche content! its so refreshing from the normal tech stuff you do
Love the narration and different style video!
really enjoying your new car channel, keep it up!
Holy shit! I lived across the street from you, in the building above the CVS! We toured your building a few years ago too. Have since moved to Denver though. I remember doing car work in our underground garage too, always fun!
Right after buying my 2011 987.2, i took it to the shop and had all the fluids changed. That cost 2k, which was a bummer after spending 32k to buy the car. But it was the right thing to do.
Been watching you for a while on the mac channel, now as you have come over to automotive youtube, thought I would give you a huge welcome! Huge fan of the Porsche!!
Love the new car content from you, hopefully you will keep going!
Porsche's generally have a pretty reliable record. Hopefully it runs well for you.
I really like your new channel! Please enjoy your car and try not to fret over that scumbag dealer. Your refurbishment of the interior and replacement of the MAF reminded me of the fun of owning a car. Haven't owned a car in over 9 years, but you brought back some pleasant memories. Mahalo for this new channel and Mele Kalikimaka! P.S. Hawai'i is a lousy place to drive a car...which is why I gave it up, lol.
Glad your motoring with your Porsche. Love my Beck 550 Spyder.
Annnnnd now you're hooked on the car hobby. Welcome to the club!
I like that you give details on the expenses
I'm sorry but... AOS does not take 3 hours to change... I think this shop has... not been friendly to you...
They can be finicky sometimes. I've changed them in as little as 2 hrs total and up to 4. Just depends on the mood and your luck.
Have been following your content on the main channel. I am local to the DMV. If you want to create content how you do your own work, I can help with garage and tools. Let me know
Keep the content coming Luke, as said by others, I think that some elbows grease and some YT tutorials could make much more enjoyable and interesting plus the money that you could save too (but Tha depends on how much you value your time VS moneyl
Cayman / Boxsters of this era are the Porschiest porsches you can buy today, probablly moving forward. Happy for you the coolant thing wasnt a complete catastrophie, as that is not unheard of in this generation of Cayman/911.. Ask how I know (cries) Still, despite all that, best car I ever had, cant wait to get another ;) Hows the auto in that thing? I would probablly go base cayman with a manual over s with auto, but, personal preference.. Enjoy it in good health!
Good job man, happy for you considering all the crap you had to deal with buying it. Happy motoring 👍
When you’re ready for a different car for your channel, I will buy your Cayman S 😊
TRACK LAPTIME BATTLE! of course, road test too to see how different it feels on the road.
plus, iirc, the 987.1 has Tiptronic S (essentially a 5-speed torque converter auto), and for 987.2 PDK replaced the old Tiptronic box. PDK should shift much faster being a 7-speed dual clutch.
Where to begin? First, don’t let the internet trolls convince you that the smoke you have is from “bore scoring”. The AOS deposited oil in every nook and cranny of the intake. Give it time. You can rule out bore scoring by driving it and keeping an eye on the oil level. Bore score will cause the engine to consume the oil. If all you get is smoke, it’s a matter of getting the intake cleaned up.
You rip Mac’s apart for UA-cam. You would find an AOS replacement, while fiddly, much easier than pulling the screen off a 2011 iMac. Don’t spend that kind of money for that sort of thing again.
Your car is not quite done. I recommend new coil packs and plugs at that mileage. New air filters. New serpentine belt. Bleed the brakes and perhaps do pads. And maybe a water pump. These are mostly easy DIY jobs.
All of that said, nice car. A good buy. But man, it pains me to see that bill for the work that was done. 10 hours of cleaning should result in a bit less smoke too.
The centre console has lost its coating, easy to remove and paint body colour, btw, always use the handbrake, do not leave the car just with P selected, can cause gearbox damage.I’m an ex Porsche technician.
note to self even though those parts didnt sound expensive to replace, that engine looks like a pain to work on without a lift.
I don’t have a garage and just use a hydraulic jack and axle stands.
You can access pretty much everything either from the top, underneath or from the access panels behind the seats.
The drive belt is accessed via removable panels behind the seats, spark plugs and coil packs from the wheel arches, and engine air filter and AOS from the top.
Compared to many front engined cars, I would say that access is much easier.
I hope you got an OEM MAF or you'll be replacing it again real soon. Trust me, I know from experience. 😆 🤣 😂
Bore scoring is a real possibility. Should check for that. If it does have bore scoring that is some huge $$$$ 😮 to fix right.
There's nothing better than being your own mechanic...
Ive enjoyed these last few vids, thanks
The enthusiast in me wants a Porsche to have these kinds of adventures with... The working man/college student in me is (for now) going to stick with the V8 Lexus that's reasonably boring but never breaks.
Don't forget your trans fluid. It will cost almost as much as an engine. Expensive oil but worth it.
The smoke is normal on a 987, as long as it stops after 1 or 2 minutes
“I’ve invested” when talking about a car 😂 you meant “I’ve sunk” ;)
Porsche Cayman older than 2008 are like the macbooks 2011..! At the opposite Porsche Cayman 2009+ are like the macbooks 2012..
Has the ims bearing been changed? Also those engines a prone to bore scoring. You can use liuqi molly ceramic oil treatment to help prolong engine life.
Fark my Boxster had exactly the same symptoms….I replaced my aos with eBay special $40…I also busted the hose and I reconfigured a washing machine hose with circular hose clamps $3… it still smoked for a couple of weeks until residual oil burnt off… now no problems 3 years later… sounds like ya got ripped off mate …whohahahahaha….whohahahahaha…whohahahahaha
Comparison of the two cars is a great idea. Did Porsche upgrade performance, improve weak points, or just make changes for the sake of marketing bs? Are there parallels to the way tech products are updated?
The differences between a 987.1 and 987.2 are pretty substantial. The .2 got DFI, elimination of the IMS, and introduced the PDK. It’s the sweet spot of Porsche Caymans for me. But I don’t think the updates justify the price difference between a .1 and .2
I would have liked to hear what kind of smoke. Fuel or oil makes a big difference. To me oil would be disaster, but a MAF curing smoke would just be fuel and not a big deal.
I really like your new channel!
Luke I always wanted a 6zyl Boxster and now as you have a cayman I feel like I should get my dream active again and look for one…
I'm confused, you bought and sunk a bunch of money into it yet you already have a 987.2? And now you're selling it?
The macbook bro is upgrading to Porsche's? I'm about it!
That aftermarket radio tho
10 hours of labour for cleaning sounds like they beat you with a lead pipe - for that amount of time cleaning I would think you could have bought a whole new intake etc and replaced it in half the time...seems you are getting an unfortunately BRUTAL education in Euro car ownership between the dealer and the mechanic. Try to find a friend who knows a bit about cars and talk to them before committing to any big repair bills in the future, and keep that scan tool on hand at all times. Best way to avoid getting robbed blind!
All garages in America would be considered cowboy garages in the UK, that's just how things are over there.
Great video
I would recommend a bore score check. 22k car will become a 10k with a bad engine.
buying a car in the usa sure sounds tricky. Is a Title, confirmation of ownership of the car?
'Stupid car', but you bought the cheapest one, so I feel the complaints are a little unwarranted. The PPI check might be worth finding fault with though. (Looking forward to this project though).
27K for a porsche cayman s, not too bad
Is this the same Porsche Cayman that Luke put on an orange wrap, changed the tires, and installed wireless CarPlay in?
M539 restorations has great tips on interior cleaning and mechanical advice
Those labor charges are insane.
So Luke not that you will want to say, but does it still smoke? Or did it end up being bore scoring? You can get a little camera to check. It would make a great video.
The smoke has stopped and I did have it scoped before buying so no bore scoring fortunately!
i am searching for a cayman for a while now and i cannot find a good one. i don't know if i have the stones to buy one with 122K+ miles. how many good miles can you get out of this engine? keeping in mind that these cars are definitely driven really hard.
You bought a Porsche, what did you expect???? Next time, get a BMW! LOL
This was awesome
This is a good video I like it
You honestly this is just my guess but you probably could get $28,000-$40,000 for the car. But that is older prices from probably around 2016 to 19 pricing somewhere around there.
The cheapest Porsche is often the most expensive Porsche.
dude, find a new mechanic. The labour rate & the time taken is 100% taking you for a ride. No way that intake work should have taken more than 3 hours MAX.
I thought the iFixit screwdrivers would have the torx security bit, was it an extra-large one?
Cars use much bigger torx bits than a little ifixit kit.
Luke, you might be interested in this channel (which is not mine). www.youtube.com/@GreasyFingers/videos.
Hourly rate at these garages is a complete rip off! The parts are often way less than the Labour costs, which is ridiculous. Go to a Porsche specialist, they know what they’re doing, Labour cost is far cheaper, and buy the parts from Porsche…..ask for a discount on them and quite often they will!
Not sure what the point of this is?
Hoovies son when he grows up:
You’re sellin it just like that?
👁️👄👁️
Buy some tools and learn how to work on the car yourself. Porsches are very well engineered and are honestly very easy to work on. There are DIY tutorials for just about every job imaginable and a wealth of information on several forums.
Also you can get a non-oem cup holder replacement for pretty cheap on eBay. About 1/3 the price of the Porsche part and works exactly the same. My cupholder was broken when I bought my 987S and it's a pretty easy fix.
After watching hoovies Garage and other similar channels, it beats me how anybody can drive these types of cars with any confidence whatsoever of getting from A to B without problems of one sort or another...soon as one issue is dealt with then the next happens..wash rinse repeat..
Duh, it is the problem cars that make it to you tube. Do you think that the millions those that don't have problems make it to you tube? That would make for pretty boring videos that nobody would watch.
Another of the massive dealer ripoffs...manufacturer says it takes for example 5hours to do a job, but most places can do it well under that bit still charge book price..a scam invented by manufactures to keep the dealers happy...
Doubt it was invented by Porsche when dealerships in Europe charge completely differently.
Seems like trivial issues for a Cayman and you are over dramatizing. You did say the cheapest. Curious how many miles on the vehicle.
You didn't ask for any of that snake oil stuff and they did it anyway? That's a bad shop, don't go back there
And cheaper than a Civic. Quit whining. Drive it.
Why did you buy an auto-stick Porsche? If you really love driving a Porsche, then nothing beats driving a manual six-speed!!!!
🙋🏼♂️depends on the price and what maintenance it still needs.
Alright 5K and you're basically even with revenue from your videos
Luke, buy a vintage Porsche 😍
the fuel system cleaner is a BS scam
Lesson: Don't buy cheap cars.
Bore scoring? 😅
Watch all the youtube vids on your car, get a couple of manuals and some tools and teach yourself auto mechanics. This will cut your cost of ownership related to mainteance in half. Its not magic.
fch
So, you buy the “cheapest” Cayman in the country and then whine about having to spend some money to fix it up? Don’t be a baby. What did you expect? Cheapest! Buy a better one next time. It’s the old saying, you can pay me now or pay me later.
OMG the brush you rubbed on the seats and steering wheel is too aggressive! You shouldn’t even use microfiber on leather as it’s too abrasive. Only 100% cotton cloth.
The black stuff you got off the steering wheel is not dirt, it’s literally the black coloring of the leather…
Microfiber is not abrasive...
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so what ...whats the big deal, do you win a prize or something ?
@@bazwillrun no i dont i really dont care but i did it anyway