Grubby theres a creator that Im sure you are aware of called winter for starcraft 2. He has a series called the low apm challenge where shows how to play each race as a complete beginner. He specifically talks about what you should do as a beginner and what you should not even worry about even if it is important and commonly done by better players. I don't know if you would have fun making something like that but its what got me to actually play PvP starcraft. Maybe it would be a good idea for a series of videos. Edit He starts a smurf accout and plays against people but he measures and trys to use as little apm as possible to show how a new player would go about trying to win
There are others in sc2 who do that like PiG, but I think all of them have a lot of experience with coahcing low level and beginer players, experience that are neccesary and I don't think grubby has. Also there just isn't enough audience for that, the wc3 playerbase is soooooo much smaller, it is not comperable and there are very few new players coming in, so it just wouldn't worth it
Grubby has brought meaning to this game for me, to me WC3 was just building and training every unit and going to huge battles with them, and also the storyline, but all these layers of micro and macro skills make it all so interesting, and the combination of troops and heroes. I'll revisit the game for sure
I loved the Orc vs Orc mirror discussion, that was 10 minutes of pure gold. As well as the 37:20-42:00 bit about your history with the Orc vs HU, HU vs Orc thing. Honestly, I wish you could do a whole hour storytime about just one of these matchups in minute detail, prepared Day9 lecture style!
After playing RoC campaigns back in early 2003, before TFT was out yet, I want to play online and was like: "Wait, what do I play?". There's a peon portrait on my profile and was like: "Oh, that'll do".
Would love a vid that dives into when each race can set the pace. You mentioned here that as Orc that you can only really set the pace against Undead, and effectively that Human and Night Elves set the pace against Orc. A vid covering that, maybe with a chart for a visual would be really interesting and useful.
Bit of an out there question, could you make a quick analysis in the how the meta for Reign of Chaos was? No tavern, no shop aside from the neutral ones, and even armor advantages being switched around sounds insane, but I don't know to what extent it affected people's plays, as well as lacking the knowledge we have about that version in 2024. I think it would make for a very interesting video. I love your content, keep it up!
that number 1 spot, i kinda knew that would happen here, but it was still fun to listen to everything you said and your perspective on the games match ups :)
Your editor is awesome. The black and white cutscene with the death knight and siege tanks and necropolis was so unnecessary but made the video so much better 😂
100% agree about the importance of the best mirror matchup consideration. I loved playing Terran in sc2 because even tvt has tons of cool big moments with tanks blowing up infantry. ❤
Orc is probably m yfavorite to play but I love the atmosphere of playing UD. Kind of reminds me of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 necromancer play where you feel like you're growing power every battle like a point gaining system. Of course the campaign where you start raising liches with the artifact. In HOMM3 necromancer is broken though so when you play competitive you take a huge nerf to play them.
So for undead versus undead matchup It's a mirror match in a mirror match up so both sides use the same heros and units where in other mirror there will be different unit and hero openings
undead vs. undead sucks even on a casual level. I remember one time where I was playing one of the warchiefs campaign scenarios and there was that beautiful, extremely fun and engagin moment where I was basically watching 2 undead armies on a blight whale at each other for 10 minutes straight without either army making any progress, like ... *at all* . I eventually ended up winning because ... well ... its the campaign, lol. But it is honestly hilarious how two undead armies are literally incabable of killing each other through the healing of blight + DK + statues, the constant summoning of skeletons and every friggin unit having at least one other ability that can help them stay alive (ghouls and abominations can eat, fiends can burrow, gargoyles can just casually fly away and heal up in statue form, ... and every single time something actually dies, thats another two skeletons in your face)
True that, I dislike mirrors in general because it's a sort of self-reflection, no pun intended. And I'm not always ready to see how crappy I am with the race/faction the other guy is also using. lol Can't cope and blame the faction differences in this case.
can you do a video where you tell us what we should be doing in the game? like my biggest issue is I am out on the map, but there is no point to what I am doing. or i am doing minimal damage
I don't know why people don't like mirrors, I always been a huge mirror fan. My favorite match ups where (both when it came to playing and watching): #1 Human vs Humans #2 Humans vs Orc #3 Human vs Undead #4 Undead vs Undead #5 Orc vs Orc #6 Orc vs Undead
Yeah I personally am also not a big fan of mirrors, most of the time they're not nearly as interesting as other matchups, no matter the game/genre. Since I was a kid the thought of a mirror matchup has given me the "bored" debuff.
I had an idea that is genius or trash, you should take an iconic match from WC3 history, and have the first half of the video be watching the replay and the second half be the top 10 most important decisions made by the players according to Grubby, its basically infinite tier lists if you think about it
So cool that it is based ob your enjoyment of the matchups and not the balance! Tho the balance still play a huge role in enjoyment 😁 How about WC3 “Era’s” tierlist? Like when you enjoyed WC3 the most and the least, like 2000’s 2010’s 2020’s and maybe devided by patches or esports eras? 🤔
I came back to this came not too long ago, I'm still pretty bad at it. However I decided to play NE because I like Panda and Panda goes well with NE lol
Recently there's been a SC2 mod that adds in the SC1 races. Do you think theres a place for a similar mod for WC3, adding WC2 / WC1 humans and orcs? Or even another SC2 mod that (somehow) adds in WC3 races and mechanics? Now that'd be real silly.
I despise the mirror so much that I've been a 2v2 player since 2003, just to lower the chances to have a perfect mirror. Still, 2 undead vs 2 undead can happen. But still better than 1v1 ud to my taste.
Love the videos! Going to use this to prep my matchups. Small bit of feedback for the editor - the slow zoom is very distracting. Should be very minor or no transition at all to a full face shot, look at Ludwig videos as reference.
I also have a hard time believing that OvN is enjoyable 🤣🤣🤣 but that's because i tapped out of following WAR3 for like 10+ years. All I remember is Talons vs Walkers where NE has like no damage beside the DH and Samuro is perma spinning. The only thing that actually move healthbars is Cairne wave.
"I am not addicted to rankings. I can stop whenever I want."
Grubby probably
Ranking of Grubby's rankings when?
please never stop.
"I now get why content creators do tier lists and rankings"
The world champion difference is that Grubby's opinion has value.
Its a way to make money, dont think hes doing this for fun.
@@stevepwn at least you are having fun making comments on the internet. That’s all that matters!
_"I'm only Human"_
No, you're Orc.
How dare Manuel misgender Grubby! >:(
no snek impressions in this video?
Best color tier list when? One for each race
Exactly
I'm still waiting for snacks tier list, for race-wise playing.
this is wild out of wc3 context
White->SS
Yellow->B
Brown->D
@@valentinsvyatchenko8416did you scauvvel your skröppel this year?
Units from mercenary camps tier list pls
you know this will come inevitably
"I enjoy all these matchups! It's a list of winners! ... starting at UD vs UD, which sucks ass, literally hell, hate everything about it..."
Tierlist of voices and voicelines quality and originality of units and heroes
Ranking mercs, we need it Grubby (legitimately wanna know which ones are worth it aside from golem and healer)
let me uess, te slow olem?
All mercs are beter than unupgraded avarage units, but they don't have grades so become useless in late game.
Best merc is zeppelin
@@leoncorgi2919 *best neutral unit. He's not a merc.
@@leoncorgi2919 well true if we count all neutrals
but i need to hear it out of Grubby‘s mouth
Grubby theres a creator that Im sure you are aware of called winter for starcraft 2. He has a series called the low apm challenge where shows how to play each race as a complete beginner. He specifically talks about what you should do as a beginner and what you should not even worry about even if it is important and commonly done by better players. I don't know if you would have fun making something like that but its what got me to actually play PvP starcraft. Maybe it would be a good idea for a series of videos. Edit He starts a smurf accout and plays against people but he measures and trys to use as little apm as possible to show how a new player would go about trying to win
There are others in sc2 who do that like PiG, but I think all of them have a lot of experience with coahcing low level and beginer players, experience that are neccesary and I don't think grubby has. Also there just isn't enough audience for that, the wc3 playerbase is soooooo much smaller, it is not comperable and there are very few new players coming in, so it just wouldn't worth it
I come for the information about a game i like, but i STAY for grubby contemplating the presence of evil in his own heart.
Grubby has brought meaning to this game for me, to me WC3 was just building and training every unit and going to huge battles with them, and also the storyline, but all these layers of micro and macro skills make it all so interesting, and the combination of troops and heroes. I'll revisit the game for sure
I always liked HU vs HU. It's fair, and you get to bring in militia and watch everyone hack away. Clink clink.
Have you forgotten that Breakers are a unit?
@@zekko5 But I love breakers. Why wouldn't I?
@@oscarl.3563 A LOT of people find breaker mirrors boring. but if you like them, more power to you, I'm glad you enjoy them!
I loved the Orc vs Orc mirror discussion, that was 10 minutes of pure gold. As well as the 37:20-42:00 bit about your history with the Orc vs HU, HU vs Orc thing. Honestly, I wish you could do a whole hour storytime about just one of these matchups in minute detail, prepared Day9 lecture style!
After playing RoC campaigns back in early 2003, before TFT was out yet, I want to play online and was like: "Wait, what do I play?". There's a peon portrait on my profile and was like: "Oh, that'll do".
Would love a vid that dives into when each race can set the pace. You mentioned here that as Orc that you can only really set the pace against Undead, and effectively that Human and Night Elves set the pace against Orc. A vid covering that, maybe with a chart for a visual would be really interesting and useful.
grubby's tier list are great, so much informations
I grew up just playing custom games because melee was too much for me. But your vids have gotten me to start testing the waters with melee vs bots!
"i dont play undead because i like a pleasant, happy atmosphere"
Meanwhile orcs: BLOOD AND THUNDER, BONES AND SPIKES, WAR DRUMS AND DIRT, ROAR!!!
😂
yeh but it feels very alive.
But they’re so darn happy about it!
Undead: Life is meaningless
Orc: Make ur life matter
@@DrownedLamp Nihilist versus existentialist matchup?
@@TheCJRhodes have you ever listened to peons?
6:40 I remember that story and loved that a lot!
Realized your family has been your best and greatest coach that led you to such legendary player!
Tier list next for the tier lists uploaded so far. Your favorite ones etc.
For me, all my most hated match-ups for literally all RTSes are always going to be mirror matches. The fun of RTS comes from asymmetry of armies.
Tier list of ALL UNITS
I don't have space in my brain for remembering any of this but it does give me the good tingles on my insides because it's a big part of my childhood
Grubby: I just want to do mischievous things.
Bit of an out there question, could you make a quick analysis in the how the meta for Reign of Chaos was? No tavern, no shop aside from the neutral ones, and even armor advantages being switched around sounds insane, but I don't know to what extent it affected people's plays, as well as lacking the knowledge we have about that version in 2024. I think it would make for a very interesting video.
I love your content, keep it up!
Your FFA match of UD heros vs UD wyrms was the greatest thing ever in WC3 history
that number 1 spot, i kinda knew that would happen here, but it was still fun to listen to everything you said and your perspective on the games match ups :)
Ranking hero abilites (with or without ulties) would be cool!
Your editor is awesome. The black and white cutscene with the death knight and siege tanks and necropolis was so unnecessary but made the video so much better 😂
human vs night elf has always been the most entertaining for me as a viewer.
Always seemed to be the most versatile matchup.
Im waiting for ranking of the all Grubs ranking videos, it will be legendary
100% agree about the importance of the best mirror matchup consideration. I loved playing Terran in sc2 because even tvt has tons of cool big moments with tanks blowing up infantry. ❤
Agree, tvt was a lot of fun.
Buildings tier list!! Would be cool if it was all races in 1 list so we could easily compare between the races
I love how chat spends the whole time arguing about why there are 16 entries, every brain cell was being summoned
Aura tier list? Items and abilities. Ranked by utility, strength, and versatility
Grubby, I love that you are a fellow Tolkien enjoyer 😂
Your references and humor are great!
Video series idea: perfect army for each race, 100 food, average match hero levels.
Orc is probably m yfavorite to play but I love the atmosphere of playing UD. Kind of reminds me of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 necromancer play where you feel like you're growing power every battle like a point gaining system.
Of course the campaign where you start raising liches with the artifact.
In HOMM3 necromancer is broken though so when you play competitive you take a huge nerf to play them.
Top X "annoyed" voice lines tier list. If not for all, you mad lad. lol
The same for 2vs2 would be cool. i really enjoyed 2vs2 back in the days
Undead vs Undead is tricky in other games as well. Something about the nature of undead abilities in fantasy makes it just not work in mirror
Honestly so boring because you only have Nova to deal damage LoL
at 26:46 I thought grubby had put a dulled kefka laugh sound effect in the background
So for undead versus undead matchup It's a mirror match in a mirror match up so both sides use the same heros and units where in other mirror there will be different unit and hero openings
Look at all the Rs in chat going "iTs OnLy 10 mAtChUpsS". Stored and recorded for the eternity to see.
2:05 dang tfw Im 30 and still havnt found anything I enjoy.
The best spectate is anything with grubby or happy in it
Awesome list! Please continue doing them. Your videos rock!
Honestly you're vids game me inspiration some month ago to reinstall WC3, and been playing since! albeit custom games such as Direct Strike
I can't wait for a tierlist tierlist at the end of the year
Tierlist two of requesting a WC3 Tierlist Tierlist once you run out of Ideas Grubby. Rank your tierlists on a tierlist. Maybe April fools next year?
It might be way too long, BUT... Tier list for neutral camps please!!!
undead vs. undead sucks even on a casual level.
I remember one time where I was playing one of the warchiefs campaign scenarios and there was that beautiful, extremely fun and engagin moment where I was basically watching 2 undead armies on a blight whale at each other for 10 minutes straight without either army making any progress, like ... *at all* .
I eventually ended up winning because ... well ... its the campaign, lol. But it is honestly hilarious how two undead armies are literally incabable of killing each other through the healing of blight + DK + statues, the constant summoning of skeletons and every friggin unit having at least one other ability that can help them stay alive (ghouls and abominations can eat, fiends can burrow, gargoyles can just casually fly away and heal up in statue form, ... and every single time something actually dies, thats another two skeletons in your face)
I fully approve of the tier list Grubby era
Logan dreaming in the background is such a cutie
10:49 ....Great advice!
I always felt that night Elf definitely had a kind of "counter" feeling against Orc
A quick race soundtrack tier list would be fun
Top 5 or top 3Players for each race over the last 20 years?
I love love to hear grubby talk about pro players and how they evolve wc3
Orc vs human bringing sky flashbacks no doubt.
Do a tier list of your warcraft 3 tier list videos
26:50
Very important moment
Must watch
True that, I dislike mirrors in general because it's a sort of self-reflection, no pun intended. And I'm not always ready to see how crappy I am with the race/faction the other guy is also using. lol
Can't cope and blame the faction differences in this case.
can you do a video where you tell us what we should be doing in the game? like my biggest issue is I am out on the map, but there is no point to what I am doing.
or i am doing minimal damage
Grubby! Item tier list!
Lvl 3 creep routes tier list
Me, who only played user map settings:
Hmm yes, of course.
I don't know why people don't like mirrors, I always been a huge mirror fan. My favorite match ups where (both when it came to playing and watching):
#1 Human vs Humans
#2 Humans vs Orc
#3 Human vs Undead
#4 Undead vs Undead
#5 Orc vs Orc
#6 Orc vs Undead
Merchant and drop items plz, maybe with racial shop items as well. 2 hours, let's go! :D
Yeah I personally am also not a big fan of mirrors, most of the time they're not nearly as interesting as other matchups, no matter the game/genre.
Since I was a kid the thought of a mirror matchup has given me the "bored" debuff.
I had an idea that is genius or trash, you should take an iconic match from WC3 history, and have the first half of the video be watching the replay and the second half be the top 10 most important decisions made by the players according to Grubby, its basically infinite tier lists if you think about it
Oh course! Who'd expect the best orc of all time to have orc mirror as top 1 matchup. (theoretically 100% winrate)
I need a tier list of items to hold. ❤ thank you
If you could create a unit from scratch for any faction, what would you make? Or would you make a neutral unit?
Lol NE vs Orc did not age well. 100% of Grubby's losses on his very recent NE rank 1 series were vs orc. Zug Zug.
24:45 - I grubbed so hard
Grubby for Warcraft is like Thoorin for the rest Counter strike in historical aspect.
So cool that it is based ob your enjoyment of the matchups and not the balance! Tho the balance still play a huge role in enjoyment 😁
How about WC3 “Era’s” tierlist? Like when you enjoyed WC3 the most and the least, like 2000’s 2010’s 2020’s and maybe devided by patches or esports eras? 🤔
I require a tower tierlist.
All 8 of them.
Nothing feels better than using high level coilnova ❄
>posts my most beloved matchup at rank 16
Death sounds for units time 😂😊
I came back to this came not too long ago, I'm still pretty bad at it. However I decided to play NE because I like Panda and Panda goes well with NE lol
Grubby is mirror enjoyer *gasp*
Tierlist of tierlists next
Recently there's been a SC2 mod that adds in the SC1 races. Do you think theres a place for a similar mod for WC3, adding WC2 / WC1 humans and orcs?
Or even another SC2 mod that (somehow) adds in WC3 races and mechanics? Now that'd be real silly.
Critter Tierlist
Surprised to see Human v Orc above Orc v Human and NE v Orc above Orc v NE.
Thought Grubby would prefer to play Orc above all else.
we need a tier list of tier lists
"Just do whatever makes you happy, son"
"Thanks, Dad! I'm gonna play video games professionally then!"
"Wait no, not that!"
Warcraft 3 music tierlist? for all races and neutral ones pls
Soundtrack tier list
Tier list of critters please
I despise the mirror so much that I've been a 2v2 player since 2003, just to lower the chances to have a perfect mirror. Still, 2 undead vs 2 undead can happen. But still better than 1v1 ud to my taste.
Orc is fun. I like Orc.
you need a tier list of unit you can beat on a fight, sure you can beat a kodo no?
I wonder if you ever played the demo which only had orc with only far seer hero
Love the videos! Going to use this to prep my matchups. Small bit of feedback for the editor - the slow zoom is very distracting. Should be very minor or no transition at all to a full face shot, look at Ludwig videos as reference.
I also have a hard time believing that OvN is enjoyable 🤣🤣🤣 but that's because i tapped out of following WAR3 for like 10+ years.
All I remember is Talons vs Walkers where NE has like no damage beside the DH and Samuro is perma spinning.
The only thing that actually move healthbars is Cairne wave.
Hate to be the well ackshually guy, but "eschew" is pronounced "eshoo" -- but I say this as someone who also mispronounced it for a very long time.
I really enjoyed that one 😘
Items tier list
Yes, it's a must