Grubby theres a creator that Im sure you are aware of called winter for starcraft 2. He has a series called the low apm challenge where shows how to play each race as a complete beginner. He specifically talks about what you should do as a beginner and what you should not even worry about even if it is important and commonly done by better players. I don't know if you would have fun making something like that but its what got me to actually play PvP starcraft. Maybe it would be a good idea for a series of videos. Edit He starts a smurf accout and plays against people but he measures and trys to use as little apm as possible to show how a new player would go about trying to win
There are others in sc2 who do that like PiG, but I think all of them have a lot of experience with coahcing low level and beginer players, experience that are neccesary and I don't think grubby has. Also there just isn't enough audience for that, the wc3 playerbase is soooooo much smaller, it is not comperable and there are very few new players coming in, so it just wouldn't worth it
After playing RoC campaigns back in early 2003, before TFT was out yet, I want to play online and was like: "Wait, what do I play?". There's a peon portrait on my profile and was like: "Oh, that'll do".
Would love a vid that dives into when each race can set the pace. You mentioned here that as Orc that you can only really set the pace against Undead, and effectively that Human and Night Elves set the pace against Orc. A vid covering that, maybe with a chart for a visual would be really interesting and useful.
Grubby has brought meaning to this game for me, to me WC3 was just building and training every unit and going to huge battles with them, and also the storyline, but all these layers of micro and macro skills make it all so interesting, and the combination of troops and heroes. I'll revisit the game for sure
I tried playing WC3 I'm just awful it looks easy when I watch you play but my execution is just terrible I lost to silvermoon undead campaign mission. :(
The "just enjoy yourself" sounds nice, but its also used for people to justify making porn as a living, which they most probably will end regretting, without mentioning is an poisounes activity , like being the local drug lord.
Yeah I personally am also not a big fan of mirrors, most of the time they're not nearly as interesting as other matchups, no matter the game/genre. Since I was a kid the thought of a mirror matchup has given me the "bored" debuff.
True that, I dislike mirrors in general because it's a sort of self-reflection, no pun intended. And I'm not always ready to see how crappy I am with the race/faction the other guy is also using. lol Can't cope and blame the faction differences in this case.
I loved the Orc vs Orc mirror discussion, that was 10 minutes of pure gold. As well as the 37:20-42:00 bit about your history with the Orc vs HU, HU vs Orc thing. Honestly, I wish you could do a whole hour storytime about just one of these matchups in minute detail, prepared Day9 lecture style!
undead vs. undead sucks even on a casual level. I remember one time where I was playing one of the warchiefs campaign scenarios and there was that beautiful, extremely fun and engagin moment where I was basically watching 2 undead armies on a blight whale at each other for 10 minutes straight without either army making any progress, like ... *at all* . I eventually ended up winning because ... well ... its the campaign, lol. But it is honestly hilarious how two undead armies are literally incabable of killing each other through the healing of blight + DK + statues, the constant summoning of skeletons and every friggin unit having at least one other ability that can help them stay alive (ghouls and abominations can eat, fiends can burrow, gargoyles can just casually fly away and heal up in statue form, ... and every single time something actually dies, thats another two skeletons in your face)
10:38 That right there is why I stopped playing regular 1vs1 skirms and swapped entirely to Community maps like Arenas, DOTA, PredNPrey, etc. Spellbreakers absolutely ruined the Human game for me, and in 2004-05, they were nearly a third of all the opposing forces I encountered, especially in Human vs Human for exactly the reasons you stated. Spellbreaker spam is so. Damn. BORING.
So cool that it is based ob your enjoyment of the matchups and not the balance! Tho the balance still play a huge role in enjoyment 😁 How about WC3 “Era’s” tierlist? Like when you enjoyed WC3 the most and the least, like 2000’s 2010’s 2020’s and maybe devided by patches or esports eras? 🤔
I despise the mirror so much that I've been a 2v2 player since 2003, just to lower the chances to have a perfect mirror. Still, 2 undead vs 2 undead can happen. But still better than 1v1 ud to my taste.
Love the videos! Going to use this to prep my matchups. Small bit of feedback for the editor - the slow zoom is very distracting. Should be very minor or no transition at all to a full face shot, look at Ludwig videos as reference.
No orc is the least micro intensive but it makes a massive difference with good micro which means easiest micro without a doubt also the easiest race in the game if you can micro well. No doubt I never cared to play as orc so easy and boring but when I do I rock it easily with anything I do. My thing is orc hero’s are boring as shit even though tc is one of my favorites in the game and I gotta say tc first once you get to level 5 you can build and macro and control the map however you like. 2 barracks orc to tier 3 mass expos easy wins on medium sized maps just don’t like him first against humans
can you do a video where you tell us what we should be doing in the game? like my biggest issue is I am out on the map, but there is no point to what I am doing. or i am doing minimal damage
meanwhile chat debating if ud vs ne and ne vs ud should be counted as the same game. obviously they are wrong because you are not your opponent so you do not know KIND OF what they are gonna do, twitch is a wild, wild place.
I came back to this came not too long ago, I'm still pretty bad at it. However I decided to play NE because I like Panda and Panda goes well with NE lol
I love to play WC3 but i always felt that the opponent is to strong in the game. Bots are easier but too predictable. Anyone with the same or different experience against players?
I also have a hard time believing that OvN is enjoyable 🤣🤣🤣 but that's because i tapped out of following WAR3 for like 10+ years. All I remember is Talons vs Walkers where NE has like no damage beside the DH and Samuro is perma spinning. The only thing that actually move healthbars is Cairne wave.
Orc is probably m yfavorite to play but I love the atmosphere of playing UD. Kind of reminds me of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 necromancer play where you feel like you're growing power every battle like a point gaining system. Of course the campaign where you start raising liches with the artifact. In HOMM3 necromancer is broken though so when you play competitive you take a huge nerf to play them.
Do you also enjoy if you get a mental edge over the other player with trash talk and the oppo gets tilted that way? Or is it more satisfying via gameplay? For me it is definetly the second one
Your editor is awesome. The black and white cutscene with the death knight and siege tanks and necropolis was so unnecessary but made the video so much better 😂
Wanted to comment this on one of your recent videos but now I must lol. I saw a lot of WC3 videos and this was a first time I ever saw a mirror match Orc vs Orc. I thought nothing could be more boring to watch as ZvZ in SC2 but man I was wrong. How can you place it 2nd on this list is beyond me. All in all I rarely saw any mirror machtups in WC3. Strange
I don't know why people don't like mirrors, I always been a huge mirror fan. My favorite match ups where (both when it came to playing and watching): #1 Human vs Humans #2 Humans vs Orc #3 Human vs Undead #4 Undead vs Undead #5 Orc vs Orc #6 Orc vs Undead
17:28 The least favorite race to play worldwide…Too much skill required and no op units such as Siege Engines, Spellbreakers, Knights, Fiery Dragons, Druids of the Claw, Bat Riders.
Recently there's been a SC2 mod that adds in the SC1 races. Do you think theres a place for a similar mod for WC3, adding WC2 / WC1 humans and orcs? Or even another SC2 mod that (somehow) adds in WC3 races and mechanics? Now that'd be real silly.
Bit of an out there question, could you make a quick analysis in the how the meta for Reign of Chaos was? No tavern, no shop aside from the neutral ones, and even armor advantages being switched around sounds insane, but I don't know to what extent it affected people's plays, as well as lacking the knowledge we have about that version in 2024. I think it would make for a very interesting video. I love your content, keep it up!
Hey grub, i had an idea while watching this - is it possible to Spirit Link peons in your main base while simultaneously fighting on a different front to soak damage mapwide?
@@The-jy3yq Practical use could be - a spirit Boi pops out of the lodge, links the workers, then heads towards the main army/engagement, effectively adding over 1k hp to the soaking pool
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_"I'm only Human"_
No, you're Orc.
How dare Manuel misgender Grubby! >:(
no snek impressions in this video?
"I am not addicted to rankings. I can stop whenever I want."
Grubby probably
Ranking of Grubby's rankings when?
please never stop.
"I now get why content creators do tier lists and rankings"
The world champion difference is that Grubby's opinion has value.
Its a way to make money, dont think hes doing this for fun.
@@stevepwn at least you are having fun making comments on the internet. That’s all that matters!
Best color tier list when? One for each race
Exactly
I'm still waiting for snacks tier list, for race-wise playing.
this is wild out of wc3 context
White->SS
Yellow->B
Brown->D
@@valentinsvyatchenko8416did you scauvvel your skröppel this year?
Units from mercenary camps tier list pls
you know this will come inevitably
"I enjoy all these matchups! It's a list of winners! ... starting at UD vs UD, which sucks ass, literally hell, hate everything about it..."
Ranking mercs, we need it Grubby (legitimately wanna know which ones are worth it aside from golem and healer)
let me uess, te slow olem?
All mercs are beter than unupgraded avarage units, but they don't have grades so become useless in late game.
Best merc is zeppelin
@@leoncorgi2919 *best neutral unit. He's not a merc.
@@leoncorgi2919 well true if we count all neutrals
but i need to hear it out of Grubby‘s mouth
Tierlist of voices and voicelines quality and originality of units and heroes
Grubby theres a creator that Im sure you are aware of called winter for starcraft 2. He has a series called the low apm challenge where shows how to play each race as a complete beginner. He specifically talks about what you should do as a beginner and what you should not even worry about even if it is important and commonly done by better players. I don't know if you would have fun making something like that but its what got me to actually play PvP starcraft. Maybe it would be a good idea for a series of videos. Edit He starts a smurf accout and plays against people but he measures and trys to use as little apm as possible to show how a new player would go about trying to win
There are others in sc2 who do that like PiG, but I think all of them have a lot of experience with coahcing low level and beginer players, experience that are neccesary and I don't think grubby has. Also there just isn't enough audience for that, the wc3 playerbase is soooooo much smaller, it is not comperable and there are very few new players coming in, so it just wouldn't worth it
I always liked HU vs HU. It's fair, and you get to bring in militia and watch everyone hack away. Clink clink.
Have you forgotten that Breakers are a unit?
@@zekko5 But I love breakers. Why wouldn't I?
@@oscarl.3563 A LOT of people find breaker mirrors boring. but if you like them, more power to you, I'm glad you enjoy them!
"i dont play undead because i like a pleasant, happy atmosphere"
Meanwhile orcs: BLOOD AND THUNDER, BONES AND SPIKES, WAR DRUMS AND DIRT, ROAR!!!
😂
yeh but it feels very alive.
But they’re so darn happy about it!
Undead: Life is meaningless
Orc: Make ur life matter
@@DrownedLamp Nihilist versus existentialist matchup?
@@TheCJRhodes have you ever listened to peons?
grubby's tier list are great, so much informations
Tier list of ALL UNITS
Hate to be the well ackshually guy, but "eschew" is pronounced "eshoo" -- but I say this as someone who also mispronounced it for a very long time.
Tier list next for the tier lists uploaded so far. Your favorite ones etc.
I come for the information about a game i like, but i STAY for grubby contemplating the presence of evil in his own heart.
After playing RoC campaigns back in early 2003, before TFT was out yet, I want to play online and was like: "Wait, what do I play?". There's a peon portrait on my profile and was like: "Oh, that'll do".
Would love a vid that dives into when each race can set the pace. You mentioned here that as Orc that you can only really set the pace against Undead, and effectively that Human and Night Elves set the pace against Orc. A vid covering that, maybe with a chart for a visual would be really interesting and useful.
Grubby has brought meaning to this game for me, to me WC3 was just building and training every unit and going to huge battles with them, and also the storyline, but all these layers of micro and macro skills make it all so interesting, and the combination of troops and heroes. I'll revisit the game for sure
Ranking hero abilites (with or without ulties) would be cool!
I tried playing WC3 I'm just awful it looks easy when I watch you play but my execution is just terrible I lost to silvermoon undead campaign mission. :(
The "just enjoy yourself" sounds nice, but its also used for people to justify making porn as a living, which they most probably will end regretting, without mentioning is an poisounes activity , like being the local drug lord.
Look at all the Rs in chat going "iTs OnLy 10 mAtChUpsS". Stored and recorded for the eternity to see.
Grubby: I just want to do mischievous things.
Lol NE vs Orc did not age well. 100% of Grubby's losses on his very recent NE rank 1 series were vs orc. Zug Zug.
I grew up just playing custom games because melee was too much for me. But your vids have gotten me to start testing the waters with melee vs bots!
For me, all my most hated match-ups for literally all RTSes are always going to be mirror matches. The fun of RTS comes from asymmetry of armies.
2:05 dang tfw Im 30 and still havnt found anything I enjoy.
It might be way too long, BUT... Tier list for neutral camps please!!!
Yeah I personally am also not a big fan of mirrors, most of the time they're not nearly as interesting as other matchups, no matter the game/genre.
Since I was a kid the thought of a mirror matchup has given me the "bored" debuff.
Top X "annoyed" voice lines tier list. If not for all, you mad lad. lol
Surprised to see Human v Orc above Orc v Human and NE v Orc above Orc v NE.
Thought Grubby would prefer to play Orc above all else.
True that, I dislike mirrors in general because it's a sort of self-reflection, no pun intended. And I'm not always ready to see how crappy I am with the race/faction the other guy is also using. lol
Can't cope and blame the faction differences in this case.
Im waiting for ranking of the all Grubs ranking videos, it will be legendary
Tierlist two of requesting a WC3 Tierlist Tierlist once you run out of Ideas Grubby. Rank your tierlists on a tierlist. Maybe April fools next year?
I loved the Orc vs Orc mirror discussion, that was 10 minutes of pure gold. As well as the 37:20-42:00 bit about your history with the Orc vs HU, HU vs Orc thing. Honestly, I wish you could do a whole hour storytime about just one of these matchups in minute detail, prepared Day9 lecture style!
undead vs. undead sucks even on a casual level.
I remember one time where I was playing one of the warchiefs campaign scenarios and there was that beautiful, extremely fun and engagin moment where I was basically watching 2 undead armies on a blight whale at each other for 10 minutes straight without either army making any progress, like ... *at all* .
I eventually ended up winning because ... well ... its the campaign, lol. But it is honestly hilarious how two undead armies are literally incabable of killing each other through the healing of blight + DK + statues, the constant summoning of skeletons and every friggin unit having at least one other ability that can help them stay alive (ghouls and abominations can eat, fiends can burrow, gargoyles can just casually fly away and heal up in statue form, ... and every single time something actually dies, thats another two skeletons in your face)
"Just do whatever makes you happy, son"
"Thanks, Dad! I'm gonna play video games professionally then!"
"Wait no, not that!"
10:38 That right there is why I stopped playing regular 1vs1 skirms and swapped entirely to Community maps like Arenas, DOTA, PredNPrey, etc.
Spellbreakers absolutely ruined the Human game for me, and in 2004-05, they were nearly a third of all the opposing forces I encountered, especially in Human vs Human for exactly the reasons you stated. Spellbreaker spam is so. Damn. BORING.
Critter Tierlist
So cool that it is based ob your enjoyment of the matchups and not the balance! Tho the balance still play a huge role in enjoyment 😁
How about WC3 “Era’s” tierlist? Like when you enjoyed WC3 the most and the least, like 2000’s 2010’s 2020’s and maybe devided by patches or esports eras? 🤔
That's almost like watching live!
The tier lists are getting out of hand... when is the tier list of made tier lists for?
Honestly you're vids game me inspiration some month ago to reinstall WC3, and been playing since! albeit custom games such as Direct Strike
Aura tier list? Items and abilities. Ranked by utility, strength, and versatility
Merchant and drop items plz, maybe with racial shop items as well. 2 hours, let's go! :D
I despise the mirror so much that I've been a 2v2 player since 2003, just to lower the chances to have a perfect mirror. Still, 2 undead vs 2 undead can happen. But still better than 1v1 ud to my taste.
Love the videos! Going to use this to prep my matchups. Small bit of feedback for the editor - the slow zoom is very distracting. Should be very minor or no transition at all to a full face shot, look at Ludwig videos as reference.
Video series idea: perfect army for each race, 100 food, average match hero levels.
No orc is the least micro intensive but it makes a massive difference with good micro which means easiest micro without a doubt also the easiest race in the game if you can micro well. No doubt I never cared to play as orc so easy and boring but when I do I rock it easily with anything I do. My thing is orc hero’s are boring as shit even though tc is one of my favorites in the game and I gotta say tc first once you get to level 5 you can build and macro and control the map however you like. 2 barracks orc to tier 3 mass expos easy wins on medium sized maps just don’t like him first against humans
The best spectate is anything with grubby or happy in it
can you do a video where you tell us what we should be doing in the game? like my biggest issue is I am out on the map, but there is no point to what I am doing.
or i am doing minimal damage
meanwhile chat debating if ud vs ne and ne vs ud should be counted as the same game.
obviously they are wrong because you are not your opponent so you do not know KIND OF what they are gonna do, twitch is a wild, wild place.
I came back to this came not too long ago, I'm still pretty bad at it. However I decided to play NE because I like Panda and Panda goes well with NE lol
I disagree so heavily it’s crazy
Like orc undead (to watch) they creep the entire map it’s not exciting at all. Human vs undead is the best by far
I really love RTS genre but really don t like WC 3. I think starcraft 2 is a way superior game.
I love to play WC3 but i always felt that the opponent is to strong in the game. Bots are easier but too predictable. Anyone with the same or different experience against players?
I also have a hard time believing that OvN is enjoyable 🤣🤣🤣 but that's because i tapped out of following WAR3 for like 10+ years.
All I remember is Talons vs Walkers where NE has like no damage beside the DH and Samuro is perma spinning.
The only thing that actually move healthbars is Cairne wave.
Grubby, I love that you are a fellow Tolkien enjoyer 😂
Your references and humor are great!
Orc is fun. I like Orc.
Grubby! Item tier list!
Do a tier list of your warcraft 3 tier list videos
16th is human vs human to me, both have spell breaker end game, it’s trash
Orc is probably m yfavorite to play but I love the atmosphere of playing UD. Kind of reminds me of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 necromancer play where you feel like you're growing power every battle like a point gaining system.
Of course the campaign where you start raising liches with the artifact.
In HOMM3 necromancer is broken though so when you play competitive you take a huge nerf to play them.
Me, who only played user map settings:
Hmm yes, of course.
Items tier list
Yes, it's a must
The same for 2vs2 would be cool. i really enjoyed 2vs2 back in the days
Best 4v4race, or some 4v4 guides /content. Im noob i only play 4v4!
Grubby for Warcraft is like Thoorin for the rest Counter strike in historical aspect.
Do you also enjoy if you get a mental edge over the other player with trash talk and the oppo gets tilted that way? Or is it more satisfying via gameplay? For me it is definetly the second one
Your editor is awesome. The black and white cutscene with the death knight and siege tanks and necropolis was so unnecessary but made the video so much better 😂
In 2v2 or 4 player ffa elves seem to fight amoungst themselves a lot and i dont really get it
26:50
Very important moment
Must watch
grubby orc mirror vs infi, anyone find the link to that game on the other channel?
Logan dreaming in the background is such a cutie
Wanted to comment this on one of your recent videos but now I must lol. I saw a lot of WC3 videos and this was a first time I ever saw a mirror match Orc vs Orc. I thought nothing could be more boring to watch as ZvZ in SC2 but man I was wrong. How can you place it 2nd on this list is beyond me. All in all I rarely saw any mirror machtups in WC3. Strange
1st, actually XD
>posts my most beloved matchup at rank 16
so basically Human vs Human is gay sex?
Nothing feels better than using high level coilnova ❄
I wonder if you ever played the demo which only had orc with only far seer hero
How viable is going dreadlord first on undead mirror?
Good question
you need a tier list of unit you can beat on a fight, sure you can beat a kodo no?
I don't know why people don't like mirrors, I always been a huge mirror fan. My favorite match ups where (both when it came to playing and watching):
#1 Human vs Humans
#2 Humans vs Orc
#3 Human vs Undead
#4 Undead vs Undead
#5 Orc vs Orc
#6 Orc vs Undead
I SEE YOU TWITCH CHAT 👁🐸👁
undead is the hards to play 1v1 that is why he doesnt like it
17:28 The least favorite race to play worldwide…Too much skill required and no op units such as Siege Engines, Spellbreakers, Knights, Fiery Dragons, Druids of the Claw, Bat Riders.
53:13 LoL, thank you Blizzard…
Recently there's been a SC2 mod that adds in the SC1 races. Do you think theres a place for a similar mod for WC3, adding WC2 / WC1 humans and orcs?
Or even another SC2 mod that (somehow) adds in WC3 races and mechanics? Now that'd be real silly.
What about the 5th race random vs random?
Lvl 3 creep routes tier list
Bit of an out there question, could you make a quick analysis in the how the meta for Reign of Chaos was? No tavern, no shop aside from the neutral ones, and even armor advantages being switched around sounds insane, but I don't know to what extent it affected people's plays, as well as lacking the knowledge we have about that version in 2024. I think it would make for a very interesting video.
I love your content, keep it up!
Ads every 2 min? Ad block on😂
Grubby rank Eurovision songs
Orc vs human bringing sky flashbacks no doubt.
I need a tier list of items to hold. ❤ thank you
Ranking Critters when ??
lmao hatin on emo dark death vibes
Oh course! Who'd expect the best orc of all time to have orc mirror as top 1 matchup. (theoretically 100% winrate)
Soundtrack tier list
Orc vs UD top 1
Hey grub, i had an idea while watching this - is it possible to Spirit Link peons in your main base while simultaneously fighting on a different front to soak damage mapwide?
Yes
The Peons die or the Spirit Link wears off 100% of the time
@@The-jy3yq Practical use could be - a spirit Boi pops out of the lodge, links the workers, then heads towards the main army/engagement, effectively adding over 1k hp to the soaking pool
Can we have a Warcry tierlist?