Philosophy of Motherhood: The Devouring Mother in 5 Case Studies
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- We examine 5 "bad mothers" in literature and learn from their devouring ways.
Resources:
Philosophy of Motherhood on Miss Havisham
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Philosophy of Motherhood on Devouring Mother
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On Devouring Mother Archetype
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Hamlet and Freud
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Jung and Freud on Oedipus
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Rapunzel fairy tale
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On Masculine Archetypes
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Jordan Peterson The Good Mother • Jordan Peterson: Socie...
Overbearing Mother • Jordan Peterson - the ...
Miss Havisham Clip • Great Expectations • M...
Rapunzel: • Rapunzel: Grimm Fairy ... • Tangled-Mother knows best
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Verruca Salt clip: • Veruca Salt's Golden T...
Lord Elrond: • LOTR The Two Towers - ...
Hamlet: • A Bloody Deed - Hamlet...
I really needed to hear that the neglectful & neurotic mothers qualify as devouring too. Thank you 🙏
My first and only child (son) was born with a language delay. I found myself early on speaking for him even before he would try because it became painful to see him fail. Since then he has been in speech therapy and although a little behind others he has made honor role, makes many of his own choices and will respectfully disagree with me which I LOVE. I hope I didn't damage his psyche early on but I tell him why I am the way that I am and let him know he is loved.
Great video!
Really loved this! So helpful. There arent many videos or information about philosophy for women. Please continue this, it was very helpful for me as a daughter suffering from a devouring mother
I agree! The female perspective on this is awesome!
There are some old lectures where Peterson talks about the neglectful mother, in particular one case where he was baby sitting for a fellow psychologist and saw this model played out in their child. I think he tends to focus on the helicopter mother as a critique of what was common within his own generation tho. Likely there will be an over correction as you point out and the pendulum will continue to swing back and forth.
This is a great video. Please keep making these!
Thoughts about Hamlet:
I agree that Hamlet was poorly parented, but there isn't enough evidence in the story to suggest that Queen Gertrude is a negligent mother. I think she may have been too indulgent, which is why her adult son feels entitled to dictate her life when it has no effect on him.
I can see why Freud used that mother-son relationship to inform his Oedipus theory because this relationship lacks boundaries. While it's normal for young kids to feel angry their parents moved on quickly...Hamlet is 30 years old!
Hamlet is angry because he thinks he should replace his father as the man in his mother's life. This anger is inappropriate because, in a healthy relationship, there is no overlap between a son and a husband. In fact, women who try to replace their partners with their children are another example of Devouring mothers.
The clip that was shared only adds to that point: Hamlet insolently tells his mom that she's too old to care about sex and romance. That is really disgusting for a son to bring up. Queen Gertrude's confusion is justified.
Hamlet is wrong and immature for framing her re-marriage as an act of betrayal. He needs to grow up.
EDIT: Spelling
Good insights here.
Wait - a pregnant woman won't die if she doesn't get the chocolate sundae she sent me out for at 11:00 pm in a snowstorm? She lied to me?!
Lol my fiancée is pregnant and I am going to so show this to her l
Lol, on pregnancy number 8, she will certainly survive.
No, BUT you might😅
Really fantastic content! I especially like the end where you bring it back to the good mother how the devouring mother lacks faith and hope. Strong stuff.
I think this is great, particularly the first 2. But, I do think you missed the mark on the over nurturing mother though. Over nurturing is not just from a place of people pleasing and avoiding conflict. Over nurturing can come from a place of deep neediness from the mother. A need to be wanted forever, a need for significance ('I am the perfect, selfless mother'). I would also have liked to have sen a bit more about a need for co-dependency and accolades ('My child is a product of me. My child is me. Therefore, everything great they do is related to me') - there are many many mothers who are over nurturing who do not shy away from conflict at all. I have found they can be quite defensive, actually. They can viciously defend their position, if challenged. But they will over nurture in an attempt to fill a void, retain, control, gain significance and self-congratulate.
I'm not a mother with children per se, but I have noticed the devouring mother in myself in friendships and relationships... I often want to "fix" the other person rather than let them deal with their own problems themselves. It can be uncomfortable to sit in that lack of control, but trust is so important! To me, Kali represents a mother who cares for her children, but will also loosen her grip and let them experience adversity. She makes her children strong and independent.
Just noticed you posted this video on my youngest daughters birthday, Sept.27, also Meatloaf's birthday, and Avril Lavigne's birthday.
Wow. Thank you so much for breaking this down with examples that really show these concepts in real human interaction albeit in fictional stories. Illuminating is an understatement. God bless you and your family.
This was an excellent video to watch on Mother's Day 2024. My late mother was neurotic and controlling.
So good!! Looking forward to more from you!
The verucca salt example is very good, I can see that I have been afraid of my son's emotions.
Thank you so much for this.
I would appreciate if you made more of these videos, specially the neglectful mother, maybe a little more indepth/details?
Wonder if the dynamic.between joan Crawford and her adopted daughter featured in the film "mommy dearest" would fit in this list?
very good ; you ought to upload more alike
Really fascinating video! More! (please) 😀
I would think John Reed/Mrs.Reed from Jane Eyre might work for an example of overbearing from classic literature.
This was great. Thank you!
Great video
Do you believe there is a correlation between the tower meaning you outlined in this video and the tower found in tarot cards?
Thank you so much for making this video!
Is it very common for a mother to show strong signs of all 5 iterations of the devouring mother?
This was really good!
I would of took number 3 &4 any day, instead i got the rest and now my sister is doing it to her kids just like our mother
This is gold. Thank you!!
I think rapunzel's mother is an extreme version of my mother. She has her narrative, a version of the truth that flatters her and she is quite good humoured if you reflect that back to her. But if you attempt to challenge her narrative, well hard hat, buckle in.
Love this channel!
Anything like this on Fathers ?
Just read the archetypes link in the description and bought the moore/Gillette book. I want to leavevmy son to it, but also... connect, in the future
I was just wondering if there was a book that would explain what my mother has put me through (to my mother? maybe, if I'm brave enough). She's the controlling type but wouldn't she sees herself as perfect. eg, it's not that she never had the empathy to hear me when I was hurt, no, it's that I was always sensitive. It's not that I should have had the right to ask her to stop labelling me, no, it's that I HURT HER by asking to be heard. It's not that she was defensive when I tried to communicate something important with her, no, it's that I was out of line trying to give feedback. It's not that she gave me the silent treatment, it's that she was protecting herself from my aggression. It's not that she gaslighted me telling me that it was merely my perception that she gave me the silent treatment, it's ''Do the facts really matter?''
I feel like she almost drove me crazy. She certainly labelled me crazy.
I relate to this. I love my mother very much, but it hurts me that the one person I have left in my immediate life has hurt me immensely. I'm still struggling with this.
So interesting i love this area of analytical psychology. Also you're gorgeous as hell
'Wild at Heart' 👌🏽
I’m not aware I have a “mother” nor “children”. I never conceived children.
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😂 this is awsome, especially like how you humanized narcissistic perants to show it actually comes from a place of wanting the best for the children but going about it all the wrong way. Its never just black and white. Would have loved to hear how much of the narcissistic perant is the child's fault.
Or
What the children in this situation should do?
It's all so clear now......nooo....not really....ohh..but it issss...🙄😜
good content, couldn't listen because of vocal fry
Let's not put too much pressure on moms, as many of us are already suffering and overburdened. Effort to be a good mom, but not a perfect mom. Sometimes the best thing the burnt out mother can do is to give their child screen time and take their space.
Postpartum Depression/Psychosis, and burnout is the second leading cause of my infantile death at the hands of their mother. The first leading cause of child death at the hands of their mother is drug and alcohol abuse problems.
Shut up
the nice thing about UA-cam videos is that you can choose to watch/ listen or not. So I'm not sure where the idea of applying too much pressure comes in. the ideas explored here are not forced on anyone. We're in the arena of ideas, and it's good to promote and discuss all kinds of ideas, even those that can make us uncomfortable. There's much to learn here. The risk is of course to take any or all it 'personally' and to take it as a personal critique or attack and to fire back that it doesn't apply to you/me, when in fact, it was never intended to be a personal attack and undue pressure on you/ me. It is useful though, to do self critique and ask "does this apply to me?' or 'how much does this apply to me?'. This could a good goad to self improvement.