Decoding the Gender Matrix | with Helen Joyce

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 492

  • @tomforsythe7024
    @tomforsythe7024 4 роки тому +93

    I have Asperger's and grew up in the 70's and 80's. Because I have always been more interested in the arts than sports, and more intellectual than physical, some attacked my masculinity. But authority figures understood that there are different personality types with different interests.
    Today, they take such boys and make them think they are really girls, rather than just intellectual and artistic boys.

    • @globalist1990
      @globalist1990 2 роки тому +11

      Trans activists actually narrow gender expression which is nuts.

  • @antonia6059
    @antonia6059 3 роки тому +42

    This woman is a gift! Love her no nonsense and sharp wit. Love love love this conversation!

  • @Jamie-bu9cq
    @Jamie-bu9cq 4 роки тому +150

    This is your best interview subject. Everything she says is completely fascinating. Have her back a 3rd time!

    • @youcantdiealonewithcats
      @youcantdiealonewithcats 3 роки тому +9

      Entirely agree with "everything she says is fascinating". She's smart as a whip and clearly a very curious person which makes a very wise and intelligent person. I second requesting another interview from her, hopefully soon. Would love it if she became a regular guest. The trans allegory subject really blew my mind.

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому +3

      ​@@youcantdiealonewithcats It blew my mind, too! I started listening to an interview with her on a YT channel called, "Keep Talking," and I stopped it to praise him for letting Helen talk at length b/c she is SO smart & articulate! The title is "Episode 21: Helen Joyce...." but I called it, "Understanding Trans Ideology 101"! If people don't understand Helen's thoughtful, rational explanations, then they are a lost cause to this cult.

    • @jullietmburu9672
      @jullietmburu9672 Рік тому +1

      @Jamie-bu9cq I came across this channel on her 3rd video here (2023) so your wish was fulfilled.

  • @PozoBlue
    @PozoBlue 4 роки тому +75

    Helen's mind is so sharp and fascinating, and she's so brilliantly eloquent and well-researched. Every minute listening to her is gold. Can't wait to read her book!!!

    • @tubester4567
      @tubester4567 2 роки тому +1

      I disagree. People like her is why we have gender theory and kids transitioning, and transwomen in womens sports. Radical feminists believe women should be a special class with special privileges. They believe they are superior to men. Many of them make no secret of that.
      Feminists and LGBT are the biggest allies, many feminists are lesbians, so feminism and LGBT are deeply entwined. Feminists were totally onboard with trans ideology until very recently. This debate (feminist vs trans) is a civil war of the left. Its not just feminists vs LGBT. Its feminist vs feminist, and LGB vs LGBT. The left have turned on each other and they're fighting for supremacy.

    • @PozoBlue
      @PozoBlue 2 роки тому +2

      @@tubester4567 Just shows you have no idea of who she is and what she writes. She's not a feminist for starters. She was the financial editor at the Economist who didn't wade or write remotely on these issues until she noticed the backlash against journalists who wrote about it and started researching. Her book is a measured look at the evolution of the debate and positions from all sides.

    • @tubester4567
      @tubester4567 2 роки тому

      @@PozoBlue OK then I take that back for Helen but it still applies to most feminists.

  • @lewreed1871
    @lewreed1871 3 роки тому +30

    Well, less than a year down the line and Helen’s book went straight into the bestseller list in the UK, going into its third print run within a week of publication, despite being suppressed in major stores. Well done Helen, and thanks to Benjamin for this interview.

  • @cosmicartsastrologicalserv242
    @cosmicartsastrologicalserv242 11 місяців тому +3

    I watch everything Helen Joyce does. She’s become my new UA-cam crush. So smart and compassionate.

  • @twenchtowers3894
    @twenchtowers3894 3 роки тому +14

    Can always rely on Helen Joyce to make sense of things that don’t make any sense. A heroine for our times ❤️

  • @MandyJane123700
    @MandyJane123700 4 роки тому +48

    I love Helen Joyce, she has such a fantastic way of expressing all these things. I especially love the part when she's talking about how we are animals, but we don't want to talk about being animals.

    • @therian_forever12
      @therian_forever12 4 роки тому +9

      Do these trans-activists think heteronormativity is problematic for all the other species on the planet?

    • @globalist1990
      @globalist1990 2 роки тому +3

      @@therian_forever12 exactly, you would think they would run into trouble who to mate with, since they don’t rationalise what sex/gender is.

    • @petersmall1574
      @petersmall1574 Рік тому +1

      She sums it up really nicely at 38:53 when she says "The world has been built upon a vision of men as not animal and women have to fit into that."

  • @ApacheMagic
    @ApacheMagic Рік тому +4

    Menopause is a massive gamer changer. Unbelievably so. You have no idea how much our bodies run us until you have zero control over your temperature and can’t sleep for more than two hours at a time. Fourteen full body, head up toe drenching hot sweat breakouts in a board meeting between 8am and 3pm showed me.

  • @Mike.Garcia
    @Mike.Garcia 4 роки тому +33

    She's smashing transpatriarchy!

  • @JAYDUBYAH29
    @JAYDUBYAH29 4 роки тому +57

    This woman’s mind is excitingly lucid.

    •  4 роки тому +1

      I am strangely aroused.

    • @petarpeychev1926
      @petarpeychev1926 4 роки тому +1

      @ This is the Margaret Thatcher effect which Christopher Hitchens spoke so fondly about.

    • @youcantdiealonewithcats
      @youcantdiealonewithcats 3 роки тому +3

      Well put. Listening to her talk is really satisfying. She questions everything, which is shockingly rare these days.

    • @youcantdiealonewithcats
      @youcantdiealonewithcats 3 роки тому +1

      @@petarpeychev1926 what is the Margaret Thatcher effect? I have heard of the Mandela Effect, but never the Thatcher Effect!

  • @tish3092
    @tish3092 4 роки тому +31

    Superb. I think i have watched all of your content but Helen is one of my favourite contributors. Brilliant.

    • @IronHead42
      @IronHead42 4 роки тому +3

      I recall Helen's first one with Benjamin. There was a point when you could see him have a realisation he was enjoying the conversation immensely, and it was really heartwarming. I'd love to see both of them on Glinner's channel with Arty and Benji.
      While I'm remembering, by the way, thank you for turning me on to Arty.

  • @lottie4321
    @lottie4321 4 роки тому +24

    This women is fantastic - I admire her no bullshit approach. Thanks for a great interview, I'm going to watch it twice to absorb the intellectual depth of what she says 🙄

  • @gg_rider
    @gg_rider 4 роки тому +13

    Helen Joyce, such a delightful clear minded witty spirit.

  • @jackiebiggs7071
    @jackiebiggs7071 4 роки тому +8

    I'm a proud terf.
    Telling Everyone Real Facts

  • @ApacheMagic
    @ApacheMagic Рік тому +1

    She’s a genius. Such clarity.

  • @jane.elliot5782
    @jane.elliot5782 3 роки тому +6

    At about the 19th minute, this gets deeper than any discussion on this topic I've found. Her analysis knocked the metaphoric wind out of me! Brava, Helen! Adept interviewing, Boyce!

  • @hobmoglin
    @hobmoglin 9 місяців тому +2

    the things that are talked about in this video are so important to teach our current generation of children. thanks Benjamin for another great interview!

  • @EM-cg4iy
    @EM-cg4iy 4 роки тому +14

    Can’t wait for Helen’s book!

  • @estelarodriguez3611
    @estelarodriguez3611 3 роки тому +10

    EXCELLENT! thank you for this interview, Benjamin Boyce. I didn't know Helen Joyce and she is amazing! Thank you for helping me discover her!

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому +1

      Be sure to buy her book, _Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality_! And give it good reviews and ratings anywhere you see it! I'm going to review it on my public library website!

  • @galacticusX
    @galacticusX 4 роки тому +31

    By the time there is this supposed pendulum swing, I wonder how many lives will have been ruined

    • @naughteedesign
      @naughteedesign 4 роки тому +2

      unfathomable, many generations; this poison is being imported into third-world countries. i have zero sympathy for feminists who are finally being impacted by their collective resentment, gas-lighting misandrist biological-denying civilisation-destroying bs.

  • @rattylol
    @rattylol 4 роки тому +27

    There is grooming going on on social media, especially twitter and tumblr, this needs to be looked into, very concerning.

  • @toddness305
    @toddness305 3 роки тому +5

    She’s wonderful. It’s like speaking to a sane person where everyone else is CRAY-ZEE

  • @clarem.2197
    @clarem.2197 4 роки тому +6

    Is that a snowman mug? It isn’t even Halloween yet, Mr. Boyce!
    Anyway, lovely interview. She’s brilliantly eloquent.

  • @Bonobo3D
    @Bonobo3D 4 роки тому +8

    Great guest and conversation! Looking forward to Helen Joyce's book!

  • @betsywilkerson
    @betsywilkerson 4 роки тому +15

    Awesome! I love this interview with Helen even more than the first one you did, and actually, it may be one of your best, period. She's an amazing intellect and her insight is so on point. Please keep up the intelligent, informative, insightful work you do.

  • @jamielynnwallace1125
    @jamielynnwallace1125 4 роки тому +122

    I’m a trans woman....but I’m also male. The WHOLE reason I’m “transitioning “ is to LOOK more like the sex my mind feels most comfortable with. I have gender dysphoria and “transitioning” lessens it. Trans activists do not speak for me because I live in the real world.

    • @sandermalschaert2336
      @sandermalschaert2336 4 роки тому +8

      And more power to you! I have had many a PM from trans individuals disliking critical gender theory. Most of them don't dare to speak up because they already struggle enough as is. I admire your bravery and you are far from alone.

    • @overshottyler
      @overshottyler 4 роки тому +6

      It seems that trans women not believing they have male biology is just a strawman.

    • @genderrebeljo3051
      @genderrebeljo3051 4 роки тому +7

      Jamielynn Wallace pleasure to make your acquaintance ! Thanks you for speaking out as you are reminding people like me of why we were trans allies in the first place...before the gender madness and the extreme side of trans activism came along.
      I’m a happily gender non conforming female and I truly believe we need to fight for a society that accepts natural femininity in males and masculinity in females and to address the stigma of gender dysphoria. We know gender dysphoria is very real and we know society and our environment plays a huge role in how that manifests itself. All easier said than done!!! I wish you well on your own journey.

    • @Jamie-bu9cq
      @Jamie-bu9cq 4 роки тому +7

      Bless you. (Not sarcastic)

    • @meshgraphics
      @meshgraphics 3 роки тому +11

      I understand that you could feel different but what makes you think that different is "woman"?

  • @smudgerpotts3312
    @smudgerpotts3312 4 роки тому +12

    Brilliant woman....thanks to both of you...can't wait for the book..

  • @lesleyt4327
    @lesleyt4327 4 роки тому +15

    Another amazing episode Benjamin, thank you so much - you are really putting out some brilliant content . Had the pleasure of being at a talk by Helen earlier this year - , love her analysis and eagerly awaiting her book.

  • @annsuo3398
    @annsuo3398 4 роки тому +11

    I feel like this was one of the most interesting conversations so far on your channel.

  • @chelmerich
    @chelmerich 4 роки тому +7

    Thank you, thank you, thank you! So helpful to hear sane, articulate dialogue about the current insanity we’re all living through.

  • @renskev.470
    @renskev.470 3 роки тому +4

    The Joyce of Reason!

  • @MackerelCat
    @MackerelCat 4 роки тому +5

    Excellent discussion. Great guest.

  • @Tina06019
    @Tina06019 2 роки тому +2

    Her book is so well written that it has kept me off my phone for hours and hours.

    • @mfoltz3720
      @mfoltz3720 Рік тому

      I'm so excited I just ordered it last night and I haven't picked up a book in several years. I'm taking it to the beach with me!

  • @mattiOTX
    @mattiOTX 4 роки тому +12

    I really like Helen so far.

  • @sugarwaters
    @sugarwaters 4 роки тому +7

    Helen is one of my favorite guest!

  • @meridians_
    @meridians_ 4 роки тому +28

    I know you've had her on a couple times, but Benjamin, this woman needs more air time. :) I You guys just scratch the surface on so many interesting things... :)

  • @GundemaroSagrajas
    @GundemaroSagrajas 4 роки тому +6

    Wow, she’s really fascinating to listen to. I’m going to look for the other interview. Thanks Benjamin

  • @MarieZ17833
    @MarieZ17833 4 роки тому +30

    This past weekend, I was talking with my sister, and Rowling came up. From there, we jumped to the subject of trans-athletes (specifically M-F). Her defense was, "As long as they're taking estrogen it's fair." Dang, she's smart, but she's bought-in, and I'm a, "conservative transphobe."

    • @mabusestestament
      @mabusestestament 4 роки тому +15

      Estrogen doesn't cancel most benefits they have for having gone through puberty as a man: benefits related to their bones, muscles, lungs, heart, blood, reaction time etc. So they have clear benefits over women.
      About her being smart... well there's a difference between being intelligent and being smart 🙂

    • @entity30068
      @entity30068 3 роки тому +6

      It only reduces their performance when compared with other male athletes, it does NOT bring their advantages down to a level that makes it fair for them to compete against female athletes.

    • @entity30068
      @entity30068 3 роки тому +7

      It's why so many GC feminists are saying it's about mediocre males in women's sports. It's quite insulting to suggest that "woman" is just a catch-all category for men who don't cut it as men by Western standards.

    • @HerWanderlust
      @HerWanderlust Рік тому

      Don’t give up ❤️ I used to also believe these half baked poorly researched things. It took time but I am well now. There’s hope for your sister

  • @nopenotnever3769
    @nopenotnever3769 4 роки тому +2

    Everything she says about women's bodies is a good point. As if trans women want any of that. If they woke up in female bodies they'd probably hate it.

  • @u8qu1tis
    @u8qu1tis 4 роки тому +61

    The allegories in the Matrix are purposely broad. You can read almost any specific thing you want into such a broad and non-specific atmosphere.

    • @ziyanlau7680
      @ziyanlau7680 4 роки тому +6

      I agree The idea of Switch is hardly a new one in Sci fi. The first film is a great film because it can be read as an allegory of many things in human experience.. If it was written as trans ideology propaganda it would not have had a broad appeal

    • @bearheart2009
      @bearheart2009 4 роки тому +1

      The Wachowskis have commented on it: www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53692435

    • @u8qu1tis
      @u8qu1tis 4 роки тому +7

      @@bearheart2009 And Ray Bradbury thought that the most important message in Fahreinheit 451 was that TV was bad. You can change your own interpretation of your own art as you grow older.

    • @j_freed
      @j_freed 4 роки тому +3

      The first film is a pretty universal allegory about the situation of a human individual & its possibilities. There are a handful of films (Dark City) that show the enslaved position of humanity and the possibility of an individual man to break free.
      In fact many films contain the narrative of a secret identity or a particular calling to destiny of the main character; this is a sort of recurrent kind of mythological theme deep in our culture. Everyone is Luke Skywalker or John Connor or the guy in WANTED. The super man idea is right there hiding in plain sight within our storytelling, it's an idea that moves us.

    • @KalJerico465
      @KalJerico465 4 роки тому +5

      Had to scroll to long for this comment. Making up your mind about what a movie plot symbolizes and then going on to look for things that fit your preconceived notions is a waste of time. You can find Christian imagery in the Matrix, Neo being the saviour of humanity, Cypher being Judas, the Last city of Humans being called Zion or Trinitys name...you only have to look though the right lens.
      Just because the Wachowskis twenty years later desperately try to force some kind of political agenda into the movie does not make it so.

  • @holle2585
    @holle2585 4 роки тому +16

    the amount of woke people in democracies isn't scary. it's the huge funding and goverment support.

    • @lidahall5928
      @lidahall5928 4 роки тому

      The funding and government support in Western democracies wouldn't exist if there weren't so many woke people, though.

    • @naughteedesign
      @naughteedesign 4 роки тому +1

      @@lidahall5928 yes they vote for more of their parasitical policies feeding off the productive until the whole mess falls over. seems we're getting close now.

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому

      @@naughteedesign How is support for trance ideology a parasitical policy feeding off the productive? Keep your partisanshit out of this. Trans demands activists are authoritarian & are a threat which is bringing together people from across the political spectrum.

  • @chester717171
    @chester717171 4 роки тому +19

    The Matrix is an allegory for our entire existence as it currently stands.

    • @jane.elliot5782
      @jane.elliot5782 3 роки тому +2

      I agree. It remains an excellent sci-fi or rather "speculative fiction" work, free of all trans-issues, as Helen stated, and yet the fact that the writer-brothers both transitioned makes both levels of the allegory work for me

  • @j_freed
    @j_freed 4 роки тому +28

    Then they got married, and Joyce Boyce hated her name for all time thereafter. Just kidding!

    • @ienekevanhouten4559
      @ienekevanhouten4559 3 роки тому

      No, Meghan Murphy has dibs. Or vice versa...

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому

      LOL!!! That's hilarious!!

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому

      @@ienekevanhouten4559 1) It's just a joke. 2) I think Meghan is already married.

  • @DonnaBrooks
    @DonnaBrooks 4 роки тому +6

    The part about The Matrix being an allegory for trans ideology was eye-popping, esp. given that the Wachowskis brothers who made the film both transitioned to become the Wachowski sisters! I didn't know estrogen was a red pill at the time. That aside, I'm surprised no one has pointed out the similarities before! Fascinating!

    • @sarahm9723
      @sarahm9723 Рік тому

      Here's one of them. ua-cam.com/video/9zHSNNGrgOM/v-deo.html As a male he comes across as male, huge and masculine. Brings to mind what Helen Joyce said about many or most transgendereds being erotic crossdressers, which are basically males who get aroused by wearing women's clothing.

  • @calni27
    @calni27 4 роки тому +3

    It is compelled speech not just an assertion. It's also a demand and a type of coercion.

    • @gregorytaylor9104
      @gregorytaylor9104 3 роки тому +1

      Yes, I thought assertion was really misused here. Assertiveness is a good thing, and is the antidote to passivity, aggression and passive aggression. Coercion posing as assertion.

  • @vteam02
    @vteam02 4 роки тому +9

    Benjamin, answer me this honestly. If we didn't have that chivalry code and gendered roles didn't exist, would you suddenly want to treat women with disrespect?
    We don't learn to treat people nicely from gender norms. We learn with respect and humanity. Forget about gender.

  • @Getoffmyhair
    @Getoffmyhair 4 роки тому +5

    I remember seeing the Nazis burning books in Indiana Jones and thinking it was the ultimate evil, burning knowledge and such. Knowing that they were burning the works of the likes of Magnus Hirschfeld now puts those scenes in a different context for me.

  • @alexlindstrom555
    @alexlindstrom555 4 роки тому +9

    This is a very interesting conversation. I’m not knowledgeable enough to really agree or disagree (although I know there’s some points similar to the trans woman, Blaire White).
    I’m a gay man. I do have some effeminate qualities, but I still like being a man. I just consider it all a part of my “masculinity.” Some would probably say that I don’t do everything that fits the “male stereotype.” But I wouldn’t consider myself “gender-non-conforming.”

    • @ApacheMagic
      @ApacheMagic Рік тому +3

      I’m with you! Stereotypes were a huge burden I thought we outgrew decades ago. As a woman who never wears makeup, who never wanted babies, prefers working on cars than in kitchens, and who as a child wanted to be an astronaut or a truck driver when I grew up, I am unmistakeably still a woman. Had I been given the choice to opt out of puberty I would definitely have leapt at it when puberty meant suddenly almost every male eye was upon me like they were on a diet and I was made of chocolate. It was a horrendous amount of pressure. Im so glad puberty blockers weren’t an option then. I like not being a lifetime medical patient.

  • @shelleyhayes1495
    @shelleyhayes1495 4 роки тому +3

    Fantastic interview!

  • @kaye666
    @kaye666 2 роки тому +4

    Me: I don't believe in gender ideology and the medicalisation of children.
    Other people: You're a prude / bigot.
    Me: You do realise I'm literally advocating for the healthy sex life / sexual function of future adults?
    It's such a weird thing. I fee like people misinterpret trans as being erotically 'other' (probably because of the inclusion of T in whatever the latest word salad is, but importantly, the T comes right after gay, lesbian and bi). People view it in the same light as being homosexual somehow, therefore we must accept it and all its aims and love and trust anyone who has anything to do with it. It's the new civil rights movement and we better do a good job because we messed up the last few, that's branding.
    It's like they're saying that I'm against kinkiness, when I'm very much pro- children preserving their functioning sexual bodies so that they can have enjoyable sex and reproduce if they want to. It makes no sense how people think that full surgical transition (which mostly ruins sexual function) is instead somehow about an enhancement of sex / sexual enjoyment.

  • @gg_rider
    @gg_rider 4 роки тому +6

    I'm sure this argument is already out there, so there's probably a snappy rebuttal: if we now encourage and pressure girls and boys to move forward with irreversible changes if they FEEL they are of the wrong gender, and hate their body, what do we do about teens who FEEL they are fat and hate their body? What about those who try to transform their body (and mind) with anorexia and bulemia?
    Should psychologists support their delusion of being too fat, push "dieting" and push vomiting to starve themselves into becoming endlessly slimmer? It's never enough, because that's not the issue and not even true, so there's no stopping point.

    • @Mudskippered
      @Mudskippered Рік тому

      oh no, that is valid logic - you gotta throw that crap right out the door when entering a cult. :) Or better yet, can I get a script for heroin? Cause, if I don't get it, I may delete me.... I don't see any stopping points in this pee dough movement, other than everyone burning alive to pay for the sins of the child sacrificers.

  • @sinekonata
    @sinekonata 4 роки тому +1

    She's brilliant. I'll be following what she has to say.

  • @v.c.de-beaupre2855
    @v.c.de-beaupre2855 4 роки тому +5

    Deconstructing the subordinate position: 'woman' so that anyone can identify into that category... Mind blown!! Derrida, I see you now!

  • @ryr1974
    @ryr1974 4 роки тому +3

    Great guest really enjoyed this one.

  • @ln812
    @ln812 4 роки тому +3

    so much food for the brain. very interesting interview, as per usual.

  • @rattylol
    @rattylol 4 роки тому +2

    Talk about Newspeak, wow! Fantastic interview, thank goddess for people like you. I'm going to buy the book.

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому

      Please look for places online where you can leave a review & rating for the book, including your public library.

  • @catrionanicthamhais
    @catrionanicthamhais 4 роки тому +3

    Another great one. Thanks!

  • @mariemeyer9646
    @mariemeyer9646 4 роки тому +2

    Amazing interview!

  • @kaye666
    @kaye666 2 роки тому

    Well done Benjamin, another great podcast. You have a really calm and balanced style. I think you'll be great for this debate, as people will come across your videos and see how genuine you are. Hopefully this will help to turn the tide on gender ideology.

  • @petersmall1574
    @petersmall1574 Рік тому

    I love how, when at around 31:45 Benjamin says "Gender Unicorn", Helen's face conveys her disdain for that concept without saying a word, with an eyeroll and a smirk.

  • @karentracey9948
    @karentracey9948 Рік тому +1

    Excellent video Benjamin

  • @marionread3634
    @marionread3634 3 роки тому +1

    What a brilliant woman!

  • @OlgaSofiaSilva
    @OlgaSofiaSilva 4 роки тому +2

    What she said 1:00:10 Ouch! As a Brazilian, let me tell you, that was so truthful. And painful. 😣

  •  4 роки тому +32

    This is probably fascinating for men, but the trans issue is starting to not merely bore me senseless, but truly disgust me. Take care.

    • @TheSecretsquirrel222
      @TheSecretsquirrel222 4 роки тому +17

      Couldn't agree more and I think many feel the same. These people pushed too hard and saturated all the fucks people have to give..

  • @nikobellic570
    @nikobellic570 Рік тому

    Boyce and Joyce. Joyce and Boyce.

  • @Frau.Kanzlerin
    @Frau.Kanzlerin 2 роки тому +1

    As an American, let me just say that your guest had such a hot take on why America promotes these ideologies. I think she's right. ⚰️ I'm not like, a communist or anything, but late-stage capitalism makes a lot of sense to blame for some of the issues we're having right now. Electing the "elite" and whatnot.
    I'm so troubled by all of this. It's very depressing to see how far we've fallen and the effects we've had on other countries as a result of our apparent rampant narcissism.

  • @lidahall5928
    @lidahall5928 4 роки тому +5

    I can't help but wonder if Martine Rothblatt (and wife/robot) aren't behind the fact that it's accepted "wisdom" that one cannot identify into being say, black but one _can_ identify into womanhood...

  • @charlottemckenzie5259
    @charlottemckenzie5259 4 роки тому +1

    Great interview

  • @tracik1277
    @tracik1277 4 роки тому +4

    If the term 'female' is no longer safe to use without disambiguation, I don't know what to call myself because I've never been able to get with the term 'woman' for myself, it just doesn't fit me. To me, it is a term used to describe more of a role than an identity, having to do with lifestyle choices and a kind of maturity that I have never achieved nor aspired to.

    • @tracik1277
      @tracik1277 4 роки тому

      @@MentoDaSheep What a nice thing to say, thank you !

    • @anarchist_parable
      @anarchist_parable Рік тому

      How is this not identity politics? Being a woman is a biological experience, all of the roles projected onto that are cultural, personal.

    • @tracik1277
      @tracik1277 Рік тому

      @@anarchist_parable To me, having the female anatomy is to some degree a biological experience; the term ‘woman’ signifies a role and expectations.

  • @lukeskirenko
    @lukeskirenko Рік тому

    Derrida wasn't making claims such as that speech is a form of writing, he was criticising philosophers who had argued that there could be some kind of transcendental purity in speech as opposed to writing, and his criticism employed the method of showing that speech also relied on the structures inherent in writing that had to be denigrated by those philosophers in order to evoke the purity of speech.

  • @roby72s
    @roby72s 4 роки тому

    Great conversation Benjamin. Thanks

  • @phatshah7377
    @phatshah7377 3 роки тому +1

    Damn man. Your voice is silky smooth

  • @johnnywatkins
    @johnnywatkins 4 роки тому +4

    I see how the matrix can be read in this way but I’m not sure that was the intention

    • @entity30068
      @entity30068 3 роки тому +2

      Seeing as both Wachowski's are now transwomen and they've agreed with the interpretation, I'd say it probably was the intention. There are other applicable comparisons of course.

  • @blugreen99
    @blugreen99 Рік тому

    Montana has recently brought in laws to define male and female persons
    HOORAY!

  • @Quotheraving
    @Quotheraving 3 роки тому +5

    There is something a little strange about taking costume, behaviour and appearance as being more real than the body.
    It reminds me of Voodoo and the Loa or Platonic ideals, the idea that there is some meta reality that exists above the physical.

  • @meshgraphics
    @meshgraphics 3 роки тому +1

    Whoa! I suddenly diverge from Helen's thesis. At the end she says, "American politics is to blame. The US is exporting the crazy." I would say the crazy is coming from Europe. UK politics is terrible. The EU is terrible. The UN is terrible...

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому

      No, it started here. The UK is WAY ahead of us in opposing this cult. LGB Alliance UK had their second anniversary as an organization in October & the UK is called "Terf Island" b/c there is so much resistance. Look at all the YT channels & hosts from the UK! Posey Parker/Kellie-Jay Keen, Graham Linehan, Helen Staniland, Arty Morty, MrMenno, and all the guests they've had like Helen Joyce, Bev Harris, Kate (LGB Alliance), Keira Bell, Maya Forstater, Miranda Yardley, Kathleen Stock, and I could go on for quite a while. And of course, there is the wonderful JK Rowling, and several other authors (see "The Mess We're In" for their ep interviewing 3 writers about publishing today).

    • @ribbonsofnight
      @ribbonsofnight Рік тому

      @@DonnaBrooks The UK has police that might knock on your door to ask about your social media posts. The USA seems more likely to call you unfit parents if you think biology is more important than your child's words. Resistance of individuals is great but it's the gains with institutions in England that matter.

  • @sircurtisseretse
    @sircurtisseretse Рік тому

    19:48 or in the words of Groucho Marx: “I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.”

  • @helenlea5578
    @helenlea5578 Рік тому

    Helen is heaven

  • @CarolineHRCamus
    @CarolineHRCamus Рік тому +1

    I was surprised that the brothers Wachowski were nt mentioned as they are transgender, they wrote and directed the first Matrix.
    Thank you for a superb interview!

  • @cheryl5667
    @cheryl5667 3 роки тому +1

    @27:00 Sheila Jeffreys has also spoken about how the surge in the men's sexual rights movement is due to the increased use in 'trans' p0rn. Her personal favourite is 'Gender Swapped by Aliens.'

  • @MissNatalonga
    @MissNatalonga 4 роки тому +3

    I think it's interesting that here in the Dominican Republic in which there really are misogynistic attitudes (wife beating is quite common and there are still child brides for instance), there is quite a reverence towards pregnant women.
    Every time I rode public transportation when pregnant, people (men and women) would immediately get up and give me their seat. Pregnant women don't have to line up for anything, they are ushered to the front of every cue, and men specially are very quick to help out if there is anything you have to carry (they even scold you of you try to carry something the slightest bit heavy.)
    When I traveled to New York on the other hand, 7 months pregnant, I would be dead tired in the subway and no one stood up. I guess as with everything, there is a give and take. In more "traditional" societies such as the Dominican one men are expected to help women, which in more progressive societies is looked upon as insulting.
    Anyway, I think it's an interesting subject to explore. Both points of view have their pros and cons of course.

    • @seagreenmoon13
      @seagreenmoon13 4 роки тому

      Here is another example, in Chechnya society is very patriarchal, but men don't give up their seats in public transport to women, because men consider that they are more valuable, even elderly women are expected to give up their seats to men of any age.

    • @MissNatalonga
      @MissNatalonga 4 роки тому

      @@seagreenmoon13 Oh wow, that's a whole other level I guess.

    • @seagreenmoon13
      @seagreenmoon13 4 роки тому

      Also I doubt that western men, who don't give up their seats are less likely to abuse women. They just don't brag about it, and try to do that behind closed doors because it's less acceptable.

    • @HerWanderlust
      @HerWanderlust Рік тому +1

      So interesting to read your experience. I grew up in the south and giving up your seat for those older than you and for pregnant women was expected behavior for all.

  • @STOPjammietime
    @STOPjammietime 3 роки тому +1

    Helen is great! She nails so much of the subject perfectly. Not sure I totally agree that polarisation is a uniquely American phenomenon though. The two-party system and electoral college is exactly like the British electoral/governmental system, which is presumably where it originated. Our system has promoted polarisation between left and right for years, pretty much since the post-war consensus was forged this divide has been chipping away at national and political cohesion for years. Sure, it's more pronounced in the US, and things are markedly more insane (guns, Christian fundamentalism etc) but its roots are in the voting system inherited from us Brits. Just wanted to point that out.

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому

      You guys have more than 2 political parties! Also, there is not the hatred between parties to the extent that the Republicans & Democrats hate each other.

    • @ribbonsofnight
      @ribbonsofnight Рік тому

      You don't have a truly 2 party system until voting for any other candidate is throwing your vote away.
      Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

  • @mkAYY825
    @mkAYY825 4 роки тому +5

    this film has been out for over 20 years, how are we only hearing about the trans alegory now ?

    • @ApacheMagic
      @ApacheMagic Рік тому

      Becsyse it’s topical

    • @ribbonsofnight
      @ribbonsofnight Рік тому

      The people who made the film used to call themselves men.

  • @surfingmoose
    @surfingmoose 4 роки тому +5

    I gave up my seat on the bus to a woman who I thought was pregnant. She berated me because she was actually overweight and what I thought was pregnant belly was actually a beer belly (for lack of a better descriptor). I felt bad but the people behind tried to cheer me up saying they thought she was pregnant also.
    She did take the seat though and I got off at the next stop.

    • @sarahm9723
      @sarahm9723 Рік тому

      She got mad at you, though the problem she has (morbid obesity) is her responsibility and her fault?

  • @Ao456kl
    @Ao456kl 4 роки тому +2

    Facilitated Communication was another one from the 80s.

  • @sgt7
    @sgt7 11 місяців тому

    Just in relation to no men giving a pregnant woman a seat. This can largely, and ironically, be blamed on feminism.

  • @edoboleyn
    @edoboleyn 4 роки тому +2

    44:10 In Israel, there is some interesting work being done to make careers in academia more feasible for women who are expected to complete doctorates and achieve tenure at the same time that-for reasons both economic and biological-they are bearing and rearing children. The pressure has been especially great because in some quarters of Israeli academia, there is a strong expectation that scholars earn doctorates abroad.

  • @daveldma
    @daveldma 4 роки тому +1

    25:55 I think that Laura Reynolds (who Benjamin interviewed) said that was auto androphilic to some extent in one of her videos.

  • @SladeL
    @SladeL 4 роки тому +1

    One great paradox of TG ideology is transitioning is actually cisnormativity, as they call it.

  • @aresmars2003
    @aresmars2003 Рік тому

    Approaching 3 years later now and blue America still doubling down on Gender Identity, but with sleepy Biden needing to actually campaign for 2024, maybe a chance for 50 state blue wipe out! And I voted straight Dem 2016-2022, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to vote Democrat again with Minnesota quadrupling down on transgenderism as oppressed class that can only be affirmed. How does party backtrack on that? But having US Medical institutions doubling down is what enables the Democrat certainty.

  • @sigma_curry
    @sigma_curry 3 роки тому

    I rewatched the matrix a couple days ago. And it as a trans allegory makes sense.

  • @Amanda423
    @Amanda423 4 роки тому +2

    If you're narcissistic enough and if you just try hard enough, I'm sure you can rationalize ANYTHING as being about you and your "struggle"...

  • @roelofjacobs5807
    @roelofjacobs5807 4 роки тому +1

    A two party-system versus a multi-party-system might have to do a lot with it.
    When looking at my country (The Netherlands), I see the following:
    1) One party can demonize one other party.... but not 6 other parties. So the mud-throwing is a lot less effective.
    2) Parties will always have to work together if at some point they want to govern. Throwing mud... and then working together... and then throwing with mud again... feels silly.
    3) Also, parties will have to accept that they will have to work with parties that have different ideologies.
    In The Netherlands there is less demonization going on in politics, and it is a lot harder to politically stay in your own (ideological) bubble. Although also here the influence of social media and there bubble-forming is definitely felt.

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому

      Isn't the Netherlands one of the most "woke" countries in the world? Is trans demands activism, with its penchant for authoritarianism & turning people against each other, not a threat there?

    • @roelofjacobs5807
      @roelofjacobs5807 2 роки тому +1

      @@DonnaBrooks There is a high degree of liberalism in The Netherlands (first gay marriage and indeed the Dutch approach regarding puberty blockers). In the US certain states like California and Oregon tends to push this a lot further. And debates are still possible and you do not get fired (yet).
      The individual liberalism is something you can see regarding vaccination. The government asked people time and time again to get vaccinated and also to booster to lower hospitalizations. However, although there have been debates about it, there have been no mandatory vaccination at all. And companies certainly are not allowed to request their employees to be vaccinated.
      I think I am seeing two important elements regarding "woke".
      1) Looking at society through the lens of "power and oppression".
      2) Discussions tends to go towards "good vs evil" instead of "right vs wrong".
      1) There are many lenses through which you can look at the world. Using different lenses will usually result in drawing different conclusions. On an academia level this can be useful as a tool for exploration. just as long as you check your conclusions afterwards. This however, appears to be lacking lately.
      2) The moral aspect disables honest debates. Even good arguments are deemed wrong as they are in support of "the dark side".
      There is more to say regarding the second part, especially regarding the justifications made. But that can turn into a philosophical rabbit hole. I think it is interesting, but the hole tends to be a bit lengthy.
      These two elements (especially combined) I do see appearing in The Netherlands, but what the reliable source named "the internet" tells me, certain US states appears to be miles ahead.
      By the way,.. trends in the US often tends to cross the Atlantic with a few years delay. And there are workshops here about "micro aggressions" despite the lack of evidence that these workshops work (with hints that when pushed, these workshops might even achieve the opposite). So,.. confident that The Netherlands will remain safe, I am not.
      Three questions:
      A) Out of curiosity, do I sound convincing that "progressive regarding transitioning" not necessarily translates to "woke"?
      B) Are there perhaps other reasons you think that The Netherlands might be insufferably woke without me realizing?
      C) And do the two elements I mention make sense to you?

  • @phantomkate6
    @phantomkate6 4 роки тому +3

    I used to feel like I was missing something by not thinking The Matrix was an Amaaazing movie. Maybe it's just another weird film?

  • @nadinechandler8879
    @nadinechandler8879 3 роки тому

    I came for the GC issue and stayed for the feminism rant. Jesus woman. YASSSS!

  • @janrobson9247
    @janrobson9247 4 роки тому +1

    Wow. Thankyou.

  • @HaloSmyth
    @HaloSmyth 3 роки тому +1

    I've had Trans women tell me that they have a better understanding than I do of the physical differences between a man and a woman. I'm a woman

    • @ApacheMagic
      @ApacheMagic Рік тому

      They don’t know what they don’t know

  • @GypsyRoadMysteries
    @GypsyRoadMysteries 4 роки тому

    👂🏻I’m doing a Matrix show tomorrow and I would love to have you as a guest🤠

  • @ellengreenlaw8839
    @ellengreenlaw8839 4 роки тому +3

    Our female reproductive cycle is a way we bodily connect to the earth, the stars and the real world. Many tribes have the entire rhythm of the group regulated according to the moon (the menstrual cycle). And the energetics of our female bodies changes as the moon does. I would like to offer that the entire society would be much more sane if we ran our economy according to the menstrual cycle. Women live longer than men and I'd like to offer that our society would be more grounded and friendly to the human body of it ran according to the menstrual cycle (moon cycle).

    • @DonnaBrooks
      @DonnaBrooks 2 роки тому

      And exactly HOW to you run AN ECONOMY according to a moon cycle? This sounds as kooky as the people who believe in gender identity.