The Cass Report, with Helen Joyce | PODCAST EP78
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2024
- Bestselling author, Journalist, and now campaigner Helen Joyce joins John and Sarah to explain the contents of the Cass Review into the treatment of "transgender" children, and the wider implications of transgender ideology on western society.
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Are you listening Norma Foley? We do not want our children taught "Queer Theory" in schools, it is very damaging to our kids. Wake up parents!!!!
100% agree. Mine are in primary school and I'm on high alert.
@@natalieroy7589read the SPHE curriculum, that's where they are putting it. They are all ready starting this in primary. I am emailing my school, I hope all parents let the schools know
Agreed planning on homeschooling till it's taken out.
Helen is a great authority on this subject. One thing that always shines through in her book and speaking engagements is her compassion for the individuals caught up in the mess.
I listen to everything she says
She doesn't seem compassionate at all to me
not indulging in someone's delusions is the most compassionate thing to do @@anemoneyas
She's called for Trans people to be eradicated. How is that compassion?
Helen wants to kill all trans people
Helen is a treasure. She always finds angles others miss.
Always learn from her
Because she's particularly unhinged and weird
Helen Joyce is a hero ...
Helen through her work has saved so many young people from this evil ideoligy .The greatest living Irish woman totally ignored by irish mainstream media.
She's contributed to forcing children to be denied medical care and advocates for eradicating trans people. It's not an ideology we exist whether you use Orwellian doublespeak to describe us or not.
"We've been tricked into thinking that there's a correlation between kindness and quietness on this subject". VERY well said.
Yeah you're right when somebody deliberately causes me to feel distressed or threatened on the basis of my protected characteristics I phone the police, think twice terf.
A great show and Helen Joyce is a no bullshit straight talking Woman well done.
She is an eugenicist
She wants all trans people dead
I love Helen so much! No matter how many interviews I watch of her, I always find myself coming away feeling 10% smarter every time (and I’ve seen many interviews with her) I Hope she keeps this up ❤️❤️
You beat and raoe
Fantastic to hear Helen on Gript. I hope this podcast reaches wide and far.
John, Sarah & Helen: Great conversation- thank you
I wish Helen would start a university and become a lecturer. She would spread so much wisdom.
A labour candidate at my door today could not say what a woman was.
Only vote for nationalist parties like the Irish Freedom Party and AONTU!
What a fantastic explanation by Helen Joyce of this whole sorry mess. Our education system is a disgrace for promoting this insidious dogma.
I retired as we were having some stuff pushed at us about trans issues. To be fair, my form group were decidedly uninterested on the whole so I would skip through the power-points that we had to deliver and then talk about the things the kids felt more relevant to their lives; parents, studies, friendships ... the usual.
It's not promoting anything, people like me have the right to exist
@@UochRS Telling impressionable children that they’re in the wrong body and they need to take puberty blockers, amounts to child abuse. There has never been a child in existence that knew what they wanted to be until they were very much older. You seem to be in that position and can make your own decisions and that’s fine. No one is denying your right to exist as whomever you want to be. If, as a male, you identify as a female, that’s fine (and vice a versa), but don’t expect me to accept that you are actually a biological woman, even after hormone blockers or a sex change operation.
@@UochRSNobody ever said you didn't have the right to exist though. They are just pointing out that biological sex cannot be changed and that children should not be transed.
@lynncrf that's again not what the cass report says. the cass report reccomends access to hrt from 16 with caution and when I tried to access care I would have liked to have gotten it while I was still under 18.
nobody is transing the kids. we go to a doctor and tell them we're trans and are referred to psychologists.
I suppose you're going to call all psychologists groomers now?
Can you guys get John Waters on for a chat please. Ben did a brilliant chat on Hate speech a few years ago. He's running for EU North Mid-Western. He could do with a bit of publicity
They won't do it. He's too correct on all the pertinent issues.
I think John worked at Gript for a short time and didn't part on good terms with McGuirk.
Helen is the most brilliant Irish woman that barely anyone in Ireland knows anything about. But if you ask RTE, they'll politely tell you, "don't be silly, there's no such thing as a Helen Joyce".
Helen Joyce is fantastic, a great educator. And her compassion for all those caught up in this horror is very evident.
Another good education on this subject for Irish listeners: The Queering of Irish Education.
"I wish I didn't know these things, I used to be finance editor for The Economist"😂 Gotta ❤Helen Joyce
As a former teacher in the UK, I am happy to say that during my work at an inner London school we were not permitted to socially transition children and no secrets were kept from parents. One teacher changed the name of a male child who was identifying as trans to their chosen female name on the register. This was noted and changed rapidly and it was explained to the teacher that she was not permitted to do this. To be fair on her, she didn't know, but it was reassuring to know that we regard the sex of the child as important. They are not permitted to use the toilets of the sex they are identifying with but rather they are given access to other facilities and everyone is catered for.
They have shared toilets now!
@@marydaniel3252 not in my school they don't though I do know some that do. It is very important for teenage girls to have a private space and in the school I worked in before retiring, this was adhered to rigidly. Girls only toilets and PE changing rooms. It's common sense. If I were the parent of a girl who was made to share a private space with a boy however nice he may be or however he identified I would kick up such a fuss. I have noticed some nice toilets in the Wellcome centre on Euston Road in London. It's an open space (so lurkers cannot!) and each toilet is its own fully lockable (no gaps) unit with handwashing facilities and bins. The toilets are constantly monitored and cleaned. So anyone can be in and out. I thought these were excellent ideas. In schools too I think there should be single cubicles dotted around so that kids can't congregate (either sex) and vape (no smoking these days), bunk off in groups or use that space to bully. A bit of good funding would solve these issues.
@@dyoung1492 my granddaughters are mixed toilets, if you say anything you are made out to be a bigot!!
13:18 this is also how my thinking about this changed. You're not *actually* being kind to someone who is delusional and mentally distressed by playing along with them.
Do you bully blind people as well?
@moif_velocita if a teenage girl has severe anorexia because she mistakenly believes that she's 40 lbs overweight, the kind thing is not to say "yes you are. Have you looked into gastric banding?"
@@fergalcussen Gender dysphoria is caused by a difference in brain structure, and is therefore an inate condition and not a mental illness. It has more to do with being left handed or skin colour than anorexia.
@@moif_velocita why has there been a 4000% increase in gender dysphoria amongst adolescent girls in the last decade? Did they all suffer some brain mutation in the early 2000s?
@@moif_velocita why has there been a 4000% increase in gender dysphoria amongst adolescent girls in the last decade? Did their brains mutate?
If Justice was impartial!
Helen Mcentee, Roderic O'Gorman, teachers, and anyone promoting this, or performing operations on minor's would be in prison ❤️👍
Love Helen Joyce-a voice of reason and hope. (John please upgrade your microphone/audio. Very hard to hear)
It's evil, that's what it is.
I have bought and Read Helen's book. Fantastic.
Already a big fan of Helen Joyce but now I’m adding Sarah to my list. Great episode guys!
This isn't just about kids, that's just the most egregious part of the cult. Nobody, adult or child, can give informed consent if the doctors are misrepresenting their situation. Any doctor that is telling someone that their sex may be wrong without extraordinary evidence is misleading and abusing them.
Psychiatric issues also play a large part in this.
Of course, the problem is the doctors aren't dealing with the psychiatric issues, they're just waving them off as gender problems. How can anyone get over a legitimate psychiatric issue if the doctors involved think the problem is basically magic?
@@bettymanning9807 I was just going to add that. Agreed.
Helen Joyce is so articulate and authoritative. Very impressive lady, and a great guest!
It's interesting that when you google "damage done by breast binding" the only results that come up seem to celebrate breast binding and "top surgery."
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My RIGHTS don't END,
where your FEELINGS BEGIN.
Helen is spot on
Great guest and a telling conversation 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great podcast
When Helen Joyce speaks, it pays to listen
This was a great conversation, following you guys now and hope you have Helen back on again.
Well done Gript. Right on the ball as usual.
Thanks Helen
It says a lot that no legacy media in Ireland has interviewed Helen Joyce.
Thank you for a brilliant conversation 👏.
My daughter is constantly misgendered as non binary. She hates it and so do we. She's just that quirky girl
It must be so annoying for her. There is nothing wrong with being a quirky girl and more power to her!
@@dyoung1492 thank you i can't wait til this lunacy ends. It's maddening! I've a non girly girl and a very arty boy. Ugh!
Lmao this is your lots fault for associating looking like a dyehaired goblin with transgender people
@@irenalovesart4064that must be so frustrating and potentially embarrassing for her correcting this overly woke people but it sounds like you have a warm and open minded home🥰 , recognising your children for who they are and their interests not what gender stereotypes they may follow!!
Thank you 🙏 Gript.. John & Sara for bringing HELEN JOYCE'S VOICE to the Irish PUBLIC & PARENTS. Helen has superb knowledge in gender ideology and children and has given YEARS to helping children and young adults from being abused by the CULT of GENDER IDEOLOGY.
The Irish Justice Minister Helen McEntee's husband is a director of AbbVie pharmacutical company which SELLS PUBERTY BLOCKERS & 🤔 its obvious that this business brings income 💰 into Ms McEntee's family. 👪 Given that Helen in her position as Justice Minister has put gender ideology as a protected category in her proposed HATE SPEECH BILL yet she has never to my knowledge admitted her MAJOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST regarding her husbands career/company and the laws she brings into Ireland yet there is a major conflict and possible BIAS if her family benefits financially from Gender ideology and puberty blockers.
This is my opinion anyway.
Great to Helen Joyce on an Irish channel.
Its a CULT.
Correction. It is a death CULT who promotes S U I C I D E to minors in order to get operations.
A Marxist cult.
You missed out the word evil.
I've been avidly following this issue since I found a Canadian psychology professor called Jordan Peterson making You Tube videos in a spare room at his home at 3am. That was in late 2016.
Every time I listen to a conversation with Helen she seems to reveal more fundamental insights into a subject I thought I had mastered.
She really is a tremendous resource. Since Jordan Peterson and his wife and daughter nearly died two years ago Peterson has become somewhat hyperbolic and detached from "normal" people.
Helen has meanwhile grown into a bedrock of expertise and reliability.
Thank you for all your hard work and tenacity Helen.
Hyperbolic is certainly NOT a term I would use about Jordan Peterson. Perhaps he has moved on far beyond you and you may catch up one day.
Helen is superb on this subject. Peterson is superb on many subjects. 🙌
You are a rapist if you agree with JP!!
@@sarahmurphy-nf4yl JP doesn't think rape is real
I look forward to this every week thanks guys
I think this episode is going to blow up. It’s an important topic as it is exposing a system that allowed the mutilation of children as “care”
Great podcast 💪🏻
Well worth listening to....thank you
If someone presents with anorexia, we don't affirm their belief that they are fat so why is trans different?
An Anorexia movement isn't able to hijack the lesbian and gay movement, which thr trans movement did to become bullet proof long enough to plant roots.
Liberal cowardice let the rot spread.
Because it makes us feel better if we change our bodies biologically and physically. It's an extremely lazy comparison to make
@UochRS it ties you in to a lifetime of medical interventions. It's a good analogy because we need to move from an affirmation model to one where we look at all the factors involved
@@patman142 medical interventions is a scary way of saying I take a patch. There's no reason why affirmative care for us would be ditched.
@@UochRS sure, stopping puberty, changing someone's voice, removing breasts, all on the same level as a patch
Fantastic lady ❤
No one should send their children to school, the level of evil is off the charts
The main focus of gender ideology is how it impacts women...if (& perhaps when) it starts to impact men (heterosexual more than gay,) then it might be taken more seriously, seen as 'high status'
A big factor in the push-back in the U.K. having been more successful than in North America is that it was led by women like Helen and J. K. Rowling. When straight white men like Matt Walsh or Jordan Peterson push back against this nonsense, they just get dismissed as bullying bigots.
'The children are required to prop up the adult fantasy claims.' Yes, that is one part of the reason, but also see Genevieve Gluck on 'The Eunuch Files', in a great interview with Benjamin Boyce. This is part of WPATH.
Yes, Helen addressed that very point. Why do you think they push teaching Queer theory in schools?
Helen is great and I must get her book. But another book that actually explains WHY suddenly this is happening is “the queering of the American child”, pretty much explains that this movement is a political movement, it’s all about destroying cultural norms, and that anyone that wants normalcy is representing the dominant bourgeoisie. When in fact this movement is about tearing chaos, targeting children is the easiest way to push through critical theory which comes from Marxism. I always thought Marxism was about equality and communism, but it’s much more than that, it’s about making society and humans equal in every way that we are just a nothing, and we’re all equally nothing together. That’s why gender supersedes sex in this theory because anyone who goes against normal is now the new protected special which encourages all this nonsense. It’s destroying our lives, and in particular the working classes
The reason is never the reason, the reason is always the revolution
We are all in the midst of a Mao style Cultural Revolution.
We just haven't noticed yet.
And the Irish school children 😢
@royjacobs12 AGREE 04
It's called equity and it destroys those who are forced to live it
I've not read much Marx but is there anything in his actual work that backs up that theory or is it more that the people that are part of the tribe that were inspired by his work just happen to share some of the more hair brained craziness like queer theory?
Good video
Good stuff Gript
Ban internet and social media access till 18, fixes all this bollox with kids and gender bs
Schools are a problem though
The kids who are attracted this stuff are the kind of misfit teens who would have been attracted to goth or emo 20 years ago. If they see that this annoys older authority figures, many of them are only going to want to do it more. Kids are supposedly "banned" by the law from drinking, smoking, taking drugs, watching porn. Does it actually stop them doing it?
Thin end of the wedge, they want to ban your access to online content they don't like and they'll do it through children
@@fergalcussen it's actually mostly gay children who are being encouraged to change their sex.
It's actually autistic kids, kids in care, abused kids and gay kids
The GRIP is LOOSENING in UK but definately NOT in IRISH GOVERNMENT and IRISH SCHOOLS.
I ❤ Helen Joyce XX
This makes me fucking sick! It's so evil!
Brilliant information and so well explained this should be thought in school ❤
Brilliant ! Thank you all.
Clarity from Mrs Joyce.
If parents find out that a teacher or school has been socially transitioning their children, you have one BIG legal buster you can use against the school & government.... Do the teachers have a mental health or medical qualification to do this? If not, organise a group of peoe and sue them on it.
I don't have kids but I 100% agree with the analysis. I don't have this rubbish thought to kids. Thanks John Sarah and Helen for the podcasts.
Free Enoch Burke
I was fascinated to hear Sarah and Helen talk about the me too movement but John interrupted and said he wanted to move the conversation on. FFS.
Adults cannot 'do whatever they want' when what they want is funded by society via taxes. As soon as taxes are involved, society has the right to a A BIG SAY, because tax-payer funded healthcare is always subject to competing interests.
John makes a very important point about 50 minutes in about how the polite middle classes consider it somehow uncouth or impolite or low-status to address or oppose issues like this or many other serious problems (e.g. mass immigration and cultural incompatibility ). We need to somehow change or create a competing standard of status. The people we laud should be the people who most stick their neck out like JK rowling or Tommy Robinson and the people we scorn and have the most contempt for should be the polite middle classes and liberal cosmopolitans.
HJ for Prime Minister.
John your mic is muffled especially 75% of the way through
I've seen men compete over kindness... usually as 'generosity'. but its usually self-serving ego thing.
Yes, it’s a performance which allows him to publicly demonstrate how many resources he has accrued, that he can offer them so lavishly to others. However don’t forget that this also operates in a ‘patronage’ kind of way, ensuring the loyalty of those he rewards so lavishly. The latter motivation can apply to both sexes, actually. And there are also genuinely generous people, let’s not forget.
Helen describes this:
The Narcissist's Prayer
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
How did they ever identify children who would never change their mind.? You can't. There is absolutely no way. It was based on a false premise from the start and it got worse. They then decided all distressed children knew they were the opposite sex and we can never challenge it.
I had a brilliant High School teacher who once said that societies perception of what is okay for women to be like swings like a pendulum, this is when we were looking at the literature of teh '20's vs. the late 1800's. At one point (say the late 70's and 80's when I as in High School (!)) it was okay to be like the guys. At that time, 90% of kids in my school had long hair and wore the same kinds of clothes. Seriously, down to the same brand of tennis shoes and jeans. I can remember one boy with a short hair cut and the only girls who wore skirts were the cheerleaders on game day who had to wear their uniforms. Let's say that's the "gender neutral" end of the pendulum. We're now at the "hyper polarized" side. I fear I won't live long enough for it to swing back.
I'm afraid I never got to tell Ms. Robeck how brilliant she was.
"Garbage that's not true" is GI in a nutshell.
Vote for the Party of Women 💚🤍💜
Pausing puberty is a ridiculous notion imo. Time and development do not stand still.
just started listening...........bit worried.........hope the language is........well burkean or swiftian 🤐🤐🤐🤐😙😙😙😙
What are the ramifications for gender healthcare in Ireland gollowing this report?? Are our government just ignoring it?
Jenga is the name of the game with sticks Helen mentions
Probably Kerplunk if it used sticks as Jenga is blocks of wood
Hi lads could anyone tell me how many subscribers Gript Media has as I believe the subscription paid by members are its only double of revenue. What is the annual revenue generated from subscriptions?
51:30 Helen is pondering why young women are supportive of the humiliating stereotyping and reducing of women and womanhood down to vapid porn dolls.
I think it's interesting how young women are extremely attracted to horse riding. They also enjoy a gay man's company when discussing "girly" subjects like dress design and home decor. This discussions involve the art of presenting their insight and taste to prospective male partners.
I think there is an unconscious attraction to maleness (just like AGPs have an unconscious attraction to femaleness).
The power and physicality of a horse, and the open candour of a flamboyant gay man are a means by which women can experience and gain insight to men.
I say this because once women enter long term stable relationships with men they tend to lose these particular interests.
I was watching a "reality" TV programme about women choosing their wedding dresses. The female assistants were older, very made up, but NOT overly competitive sexually, and one of them was a gay man. The narrator was also a young straight man - who you never saw - but was presented as a dis- "embodied" male representative.
This stylised fractured presentation of men in a wedding dress boutique sums up for me the very strange demands women have of men as a presence in their lives.
It also hints at a certain resentment they have of men, perhaps, ironically a resentment that men embody very things they find so attractive about men!
You might even see this covert disembodying of maleness as almost a counterpart to the middle aged men dressing as a woman. They want contact with something on their terms.
There are *some* middle aged women who transition. There have always been so few that it is almost impossible (with resources historically available) to look at the reasons for this.
The story of the boy who died would be interesting
If this is terrible for children (it is), it only makes sense that it is also terrible for adults, no matter their rights to do as they please with their bodies.
The Economist is my favourite quasi-socialist rag.
It really is a contradiction if everyone from early teen years is hypersexualised and at the same time is expected to behave perfectly political correct. And not say something harmful or commit 'hatespeach' (that could be simply misgendering someone)
Just listening to Helen I am wondering if it's an act of rebellion against their parents for children? In a way that smoking and bunking school was for me back in the day. I guess that's why it seems decidedly strange that the authorities are on this band-wagon!
First step is to go back to what the word 'liberal' actually means. It means open-minded. What does open-minded mean? It means listening to all sides, gathering as much information and opinion and then evaluating. Not just blinding accepting, or endlessly discussing, or opening the floor to anyone with a two-bit, half-baked opinion. Liberal does not mean 'kind'. It does not mean indiscriminate. It actually is more synonymous with listening, actually hearing what is going on all around and then having the emotional intelligence to sort through the bs and the bias and the outright lies. Liberals dropped the ball. It was never up to the Conservatives to do this work, this work is up to the Liberals. Once Liberals do all the leg work, they then take the new ideas and bring them to the Conservatives (who are in no way bound to simply accept something just because.) The Conservative's job is to say because why, and then the Liberals brings their best and most persuasive arguments, after eliminating the junk causes and the junk arguments. Liberals' job is to prove not just the rightness but the value to society. In the U.S., the Liberal/Conservative dichotomy is one of the informal checks and balances on our system. And this requires that Liberals do their due diligence and stop just accepting ideas out of some warped, misguided, and frankly sad sense of kindness. Our job as Liberals is not kindness (that's the mother's job) our job is fairness and thoroughness. To consider all sides and to apply weight to arguments not based on individual sympathies (do that in your personal life) but for the general welfare, and Liberals have epically failed in our duty. And that failure of unbridled emotional impulses has led the whole world to insanity. And I don't blame the Conservatives for not trusting us, we listened to and were swayed by liars, zealots, and just plain crazy people. P.S. If mothers hadn't stopped being kind and frankly doing what you call 'building strong relationships with their kids' (when did that become optional?) than people wouldn't be looking to government policy and the mental health community for kindness and understanding. That's a mother's job, and if you don't want that job, don't become a mother. Offering and teaching your kids kindness is not discretionary, and it is certainly not the governments job. And just the thought that we are actually, seriously looking to the government for kindness should make it really evident that we have effed up as a society, big time. P.S. Second step is to go back and define emotional intelligence. And the first step of that is emotional control. Not projecting yourself into every situation as if it were actually happen to you. That's the opposite of emotional intelligence, which is pulling yourself out of what is actually happening to you in order to be objective and as unbiased as possible. I don't know how it ever became acceptable to listen to people who were PROJECTING THEMSELVES IN situations that are not their own, that's the opposite of what adults are supposed to be doing and the opposite of what we are supposed to be teaching kids. And what would be the limits on that once we open the door? In the U.S. we had a Congress woman who during a turbulent event at the Capitol a few years ago reverted into a child-like state of intellectual incapacity because she claimed to be a victim of sexual assault in her past. Turns out she was never in any danger at all - the danger only existed in her imagination. Assuming any and all parts of her story was even true, and even that is questionable as she doesn't inspire much trust. When our leaders are so emotionally unstable they project their own personal trauma into every situation, how is objectivity and rational action, let alone rational rules for the rest of us, ever possible? Sorry, but we have to demand grown-up emotional balance and control from our leaders and frankly from everyone who wants a place on the adult stage.
Great talk. (Fix your sound, John.) Classical liberals will have a hard time keeping leftists at bay. This alliance will do for now but the grievance circus will be back unless a new floor of values can be installed somehow. Liberalism cannot provide that, imho.
Damn…HJ taking a big swing!!
There is literally nothing "left wing" about gender ideology. Nobody who has any idea what "left wing" means would say so.
This the new let we are talking about, they care nothing about class solidarity.
So yes it is the left now
Yet those on the left have propped it up and funded it.
It is mostly supported by left wing people
@@JaneA544 Like I said, you don't know what "left wing" means. Tbf to you, a lot of the idiots supporting this stuff don't either and also think that they are left, when they are not.
The gripers 😂
🤣🤣🤣
You're non-binary, so you're analog?
RTE LITE
strange comment, RTE won't even cover this
They're doing what RTE SHOULD be doing, but isn't, because like the rest of the Irish mainstream media, it has been captured by this pseudoscientific, quasi-religious belief system that is gender identity ideology.
@@patman142 Surely there will be a Prime Time ....or a major Irish Times feature ....?? Also Prof Colfer has won her case ....
@@tomgreene1843 after the backlash from Liveline when they covered the trans issue, I'd seriously doubt it
Helen Joyce on RTE, I think not.
What the hell was the last 20 minutes about
Conservatives have different reasons for being anti-trans, eg religion & "christianity"
@ Mary-janebelec9082 I am a Christian and want all people treated with compassion. I’m for the safety and well-being of children and women not anti-trans. Stop falsely labelling people
This ideology has nothing to do with religion. Anyone who wants to protect women and children should be anti this madness.
Including Richard Dawkins !
Yet Helen would call abortion health care
Oh please, she's actually talking about something extremely serious. She is a treasure for women and children everywhere. Wonder what you have ever done..
@@natalieroy7589 abortion isn' t serious??!! 😳
And you are a god able to compell other people to bow to your commands.
@@francishooper9548 if you say so
Don't bring your dislike of gender critical people into the discussions here, this is extremely important for women whose society is being destroyed by fetishistic males and no one advocates that every woman should bet an abortion its a decision taken by a woman and should be respected as such. No we cannot consent to destroying children's bodies to pander to fashion fads and p€dos
ITS ALL CULTURAL MARXISM/NEO MARXISM ALL OF IT
That is part of it
Why do ypu habe a eugenicist on?
What???????
@@marydaniel3252 she infamously said no autistic people should exist "in a sane world"
WTF? She is saying nothing wrong. This extremely level-headed and comprehensive review is groundbreaking and it’s finally given people permission to say what nearly everyone knows to be obvious. It’s broken the dam of insanity that has done horrible harm.
@@peterd788 Helen Joyce thinks autistic folk should not exist in her "sane world" that's eugenics definitionally
@@peterd788 you torture and bear autistic kids