First-Ever Full SSBM Tier List
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- I've created a tier list that includes the entire cast for the very first time! This video is a direct sequel to the tier list I posted earlier this week.
Edit: Ness has a 4-frame jumpsquat - my mistake.
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holy shit the first ever of all time full ssbm tier list
Those who knew hax for while are probably shocked at the character development making a full character tier list AND letting falcon share a tier with fox
obligatory wizzy messed up amsa, moky plup at riptide comment
When Hax goes back to Falcon the prophecy will be fulfilled. 20GX... for most volatile character.
I'll be sure to root for mah boi Hax against N0ne, my personal top 2, Mang0 being third.
Armada being fourth. Even though he's technically the GOAT.
Nah, man. Mang0's the GOAT, undisputed.@@xTheReapersSpawn
Holy shit its the first full roster tier list ever
i have no idea how they did this! props
first ever like soulja boy he did that
Finally, he’s no longer underwater
He actually listened to you lol
@@Flip-a-dip-dip Did he plug in his mic but not record with it?
5:58 "It is definitely impossible to win a major tournament with anyone in the C D or F tier."
This clip is gonna be used in a documentary whenever franz wins a big tournament. (I hope)
me rooting for lagwars 😭
This might be the best tier list. I’m actually surprised how much I agree with this.
i get your initial point about not separating dr and mario, but i really think dk is simply better than mario in the meta
Yeah I’m a Luigi main and pocket both Marios and I gotta agree that Mario is worse than the Dr by about a great ape’s worth
I think ness is worse, but hax got jacketed in tourney once so I understand
lmfao
source ?
@@ayrtonpavot3096look up “hax vs mofo no johns” it was in 2010. I was there rofl. Never forget it
@@ayrtonpavot3096mofo vs hax
Ness could be ranked higher. Although his fair can be asdi downed it has a huge hitbox and is entirely disjointed, so its not easy to get a reliable punish off of that. All of his aerials auto cancel off of a short hop and generally have good frame data, has the best shield in the game, is fairly heavy, chain grab on spacies, strong fsmash, small hurtbox, and dj cancel. All that considered I think he could be as high as young link at best given his flaws, but I cannot see him as the worst character in the game
Agreed. Hax has no idea what Ness can do and just has the mindset of, "well he's always been trash so he's trash." Tier lists don't mean shit, especially when it's from someone who never touches characters in D and F tier. Clueless.
what do you fucking mean best shield in the game
I’m putting D.K. over Mario imo
I do too just for the fact I kinda favour characters with serious mains
The category minimization is really good, as well as the reasoning behind each low tier!
I'm just waiting for the year 20DK where he gets put above ice climbers on the list, but the rest is really solid, loved the explanations!
Sorry but with Hand-offs. There's no way DK is being above Ice Climbers. If you couldn't desync then maybe there's an argument.
Oh! Wasn't expecting this so soon after the other one. Neat!
0:02 Intro + explanation of tiers
3:08 Sheik/Zelda explanation
4:21 Doc / Mario
6:29 DK
7:52 Link
10:00 Ganondorf
12:06 Roy
12:46 Mewtwo
13:43 G&W
15:21 Young Link
18:00 Pichu
19:59 Kirby
21:07 Ness
22:57 Bowser
25:00 Outro
fully expected hax to just have every character below ganon 5 tiers below in a tier labeled "trash"
OH MY GOD HAX CARES ABOUT LOW TIERS
This was a very fun video talking about the whole cast. Great video Hax$
honestly, I think that DK having a pretty playable matchup into fox and marth is a lot better than anything that the Mario's have going for them? like, as a solo main I agree that he's around as good as the mario's, but DK honestly seems like a pretty viable dual main character, which to me seems like enough to push him up to B tier.
Thanks for making a tier list on the whole cast, it was actually really interesting to watch! I love your perspective on Melee and your reasoning for all the tiers, it's very pragmatic! Thanks Hax$ 😎
Ylink below roy is wild
Isn't treating Zelda and Sheik as the same character just ignoring the reality of how people actually *play* the characters? What's the point in ranking them together if it's just less useful to do so? You're essentially ranking a situation that doesn't actually exist, even if you might be technically correct, that they only have one spot on the character select screen.
Sure, veeery occasionally a player might switch between them, but in 99.99% of cases, players stick with one character or the other for the vast majority of their match time.
Ok but people don’t actually play Zelda seriously so… furthermore I think endgame is you use majority Sheik and switch to Zelda for some tricky of meta recoveries. (Or just to try and recover where Sheik can’t)
@@sinfinite7516 People play Zelda as seriously as half the characters on the bottom quarter of the tier list. So if we're ranking them *all,* that's not a good reason to leave out Zelda.
All your comments about switching to Zelda occasionally or whatever are covered my first comment. Even if in a perfect world you switch *to* Zelda sometimes as a Sheik player, you're still basically a Sheik player. And just because some Sheik players do that, that doesn't erase the existence Zelda as a character.
This tier list basically treats Zelda like she's an occasional tool for Sheik, when in reality she's as much of a character as any other F tier character.
If you actually play sheilda (i do) you have to respect them as one character during counter picking. I dont have to tell you if im starting zelda.
pure solo zelda would probably be ranked between GnW and kirby but im also sad it wasnt discussed
@@ln8496 Like I said, you are the very rare exception. Most people play either Sheik or Zelda. Therefor, it would make most sense to rank them that way. If we see the rise of "Sheilda" players, then you could even have Sheilda have her own spot, separate from solo Sheik or Zelda.
Also, I hate to be the one to have to break this to you, but unless you are also playing a terrible character, you never have to respect Zelda.
I couldn't disagree more about Kirby's jumpsquat. None of the good 3-frame jumpsquat characters are good *because* they have 3-frame jumpsquat, they're good because they have overall good mobility and aerials, which their jumpsquat gives them quick access to; they get value out of leaving the ground quickly because what they can do in the air is *worth something*. Kirby does not have that. He doesn't have the tools necessary for having 3-frame jumpsquat to help him; he'd be *faaaar* better off with 4-frame jumpsquat but actually decent dash, run, and air drift speeds. Hell, I'd take 4-frame jumpsquat, improved dash speed, and a *single* extra frame of up-smash strong hit over the current version of Kirby. He's ass bro: definitive bottom 2, and he's not 2.
Bowser is just a downright hilarious character, like genuinely he feels and plays like a joke character. I wish I could've been a fly on the wall during HAL's discussions on the design of his moveset, or lack thereof lol.
adidas as the 2nd bookmark. Hax is a legend
Dang the Sheik>Falco debate is happening now more than ever
I do think DK is a bit undervalued in this tier list, you pointed out the Falco MU being rough, but the fact that you can pivot power shield the lasers and that you're mostly approaching backwards to hit with a bair anyway makes that MU just a little bit worse than fox but not by much. Surprisingly, Peach and Sheik are decent MUs, the only definitively bad MUs that DK has are icies and falcon (in the opinion of many top DKs such as Akir and Rishi), and those are still being labbed out. Icies has become better by using down b to help separate them, but falcon is still a problem. I'd put DK ahead of the Mario bros, but below Luigi, potentially even in B tier. He could be viable depending on how much more he gets labbed out, and he definitely has high potential for the future.
he did mention that the doc/mario/dk/adult link placements are practically interchangeable
Thanks. I pretty much agree with your reasoning.
Is amazing how many shortcomings so many of these characters have and yet this is still such an amazing game.
I don't play Melee. At all. For the last 6-7 years, I've been strictly a spectator. With that said, what's the deal with Ganandorf? In my 6-7 years of watching, I have seen really good Ganons. Most lately, it's been Mekk. But I have NEVER seen a good Dr. Mario, Mario, or quite frankly, since Abate, Luigi. Yet those three characters are regularly seen above Ganon on a tier list. Is it strictly bias? I know there *has* been good to even great Mario/Docs before I started watching, but it has been bare for those characters since. Again, I don't play Melee, just talking as a spectator, and a spectator for a relatively short period of time.
I think it's strictly on usability of the characters. Shroomed and mango for doc. And plup randomly pulled out Luigi one tourney. Ceo dreamland 2017 and got 5th
Well Franz got #45 for the 2022 rank with solo Doc. Now for the summer 2023 rank Mekk got #42 with solo Ganon and Junebug got #45 with solo DK. So there's a race between those three characters for the #13-15 spot on the tier list. IMO Mario is worse and would be #16 at best.
Franz and Mango used Doc in recent memory
Theres a reason hax said that all of c tier is pretty interchangable. None of them are much better or worse than each other
Also results based tiering is dumb honestly. I get it, it should be one of the factors you consider, but if you weigh usage/results too heavily you punish unpopular characters for no good reason
based takes especially ness. pichu should be in d though and roy should be moved down.
hey MetiCute!
@@PoorStargazer👁️👁️
I like ranking zelda/sheik as one character
I wanted you to talk about the Roy-Puff matchup.
He knows we haven’t forgotten about that smashboards post he made in 2011
@@DrewOPowell idk what that is
@@tenslein8977 in the post, he considered picking up Roy as a counter pick (specifically on yoshi’s story) against Jigglypuff lol
Pichu discussion: evidence that Hax saw Codeman take a game off S2J
If marth wasn't in the game roy would be considered top 10
Man, i remember Yoshi being lower tier til it all changed.
when i started playing i used your viable/unviable tier list to find a main which had every character but not super ordered like this
was when you said the thing about gnw being the last char with a usable neutral
ggs to qerb
I think you're underrating young link and overrating link.
Link has a 6 frame jumpsquat and one of the worst dash speed, air speed, and wavedash length of the whole cast.
Young link actually has great movement with his 4 frame jumpsquat, great airspeed, great dash speed, and solid wavedash. His wavedash OOS and nair OOS are 2 frames faster than Link's and he's much harder to pin down in shield due to his movement.
Aklo is in his head
yeah but Link's nair is so good; the way that a good link will play is that you don't want to get close (or you want to get close and instantly block) because they are going to try to up-b you. if they keep you at range (with projectiles) then they can shorthop toward you and throw out his really good nair which you can't really do much about, or react to very well, and then probably follow up with something. Young link has a lot less ability to do that game-plan due to his lower range. Links don't really need much movement tbh, they are supposed to be defensive and more like a wall.
Completely agree, the 4 frame jump squat is huge for shield pressure as it gives us a frame 5 option oos of jump z-drop bomb. Can’t believe hax thinks there is such a difference between Link and Young Link essentially because Link has a slightly better Marth mu. They both get absolutely run over by literally every other top tier, completely at a loss why 4 characters are in between them.
really dont understand why you dont view sheik and zelda as individual characters
sharing the same slot or not, but they ARE two fundamentally different characters so they should be considered so
i think the argument is that you can swap between them at will. like if youre playing sheik you are also playing zelda you just arent swapped to her at any given moment. some players swap to zelda to recover better (to varying success)
But Hax, Bowser has the koopabackdashwaveslide hoverwalkmoonland 😂
I viewed Young Link into floaties being okay but into spacies being terrible the same way I view Roy + Mewtwo into spacies is okay but into floaties being terrible. Putting those 3 in the same tier makes sense, though I'd put them all next to each other. Putting Roy + Mewtwo higher is fine, though because there are more Spacey players.
I thought first ever full meant mega Hand and giga Bowser as well
nope this is the first ever tier list in smash bros melee its crazy we havent seen one before
Ness below kirby is wild
IMO he has such an unusable (for inexperienced players) jump that you have to learn dj-cancel tech, and then for what? You might as well use Yoshi who has the same tech but less faults. Sadly, this game isn't Project M and many characters are just simply replacable in the meta, with better characters that are quite similar (Ness, normal Mario, Ganon all have characters that do similar things, but better). At least the things that make Kirby special are things that can't really be used by any other character.
Woah, didn't think this would be so soon after the last one
DK! DONKEY KONG! ahh how times have changed
finally, a real tier list. ty ty
You should make matchup charts for characters in Melee! I’m intrigued with how you would do them.
Crazy how low people put Mewtwo
Worst Tech Animation, Large Hurtbox Size to.
@@ShaunMoorecounterpoint: Mewtwoman
@@ShaunMoore counter point: Too*. Also hurt box don’t matter if they aren’t hitting you.
@@SsbMewtwo Your Right.
@@ShaunMoore you’re*
Wheres Giga Bowser, Master Hand, Crazy Hand and the Wire Frames?
I'm pretty surprised to see Sheik in the third slot knowing the bad MU's she has against Puff and IC's, opposed to Puff and Falco who don't really have that issue.
sheik sucks lol
17:39 this is the craziest sentence I've ever heard
24:08 sounds like Hax$ could have a pocket Bowser lmao
I'm not gonna stop using Ganon I won't I'm not doing it they can't make me the bastards
I just wanna Fair people trying to get back to stage bro
Young Link having a top 100 rep is pretty crazy. I think he's decent at getting time-outs if nothing else.
WTF... have you never watched Axe's YL? He absolutely does NOT just get time-outs. Hax didn't even mention his viability against Peach, which tells me he just has no idea what he's talking about.
YL does get wrecked by the fast, aggressive characters no doubt, but to put him below Roy and Mewtwo is fucking embarrassing. Hax is WAY overstating Roy and M2s viability against spacies. He has tools against them, but the odds of actually WINNING NETURAL against those characters and implementing those tools is pretty hard.
I love that he has Adidas bookmarked! He is known for wearing a red pair of Adidas pants, that would become synonymous with his legendary Genesis 7 run.
*my co worker gave me his gc & a loose copy of melee, havent played this game in 20 yrs, time flys.*
Some minor disagreements:
Just based on tournament results, I feel like there should be a tier break between Mewtwo and Game&Watch.
Pretty much all the C and D characters (except one) up to that point have notable recent results. Zain with Roy got 7th at Wavedash. Leffen's had some disgusting runs with Mewtwo beating some of the best europeans. Junebug just got 13th at Big House using DK, including several wins over very good players (Magi, Ginger). Aklo's Link caused some problems for top Marths.
But G&W...it's not that nobody has tried, Cody tried. He failed. I just can't ever think of a time when some big player picked up G&W, and did really well with him. It's not that G&W doesn't have some decent moves, but he's the same weight as Jigglypuff and his shield doesn't work (always at risk of getting shield poked even with a full shield).
My other minor disagreement is Mario.
First, there's the results. Outside of some Mango stuff from 2010, Mario really doesn't have the results, in terms of beating players in 2022 or 2023 who are top 30 ranked with Mario. Unlike Mewtwo, unlike DK, unlike Roy, unlike Link, all of whom do have big wins. (Mango's Mario also lost to Zain's Roy in the one instance I can find of that matchup, and Mario's floaty enough that this would be expected to be a bad matchup for Roy).
I also, and maybe I'm just bad at reading frame data (totally possible), but I'm also unconvinced staring at frame data and character information that Doc and Mario are close. Something like 80% of Doc's moves look in the data better than Mario's to me.
There's Doc's up+B, which has up+B cancelling, which does get implemented in actual games by Franz. Mario's up+B doesn't have this.
There's the cape, which is substantially better for Doc (hits well below the stage when edge guarding, deals more percent).
There's the pills which are substantially better for Doc. (Deal more percent, bounce more erratically)
There's pretty much every grounded A move, which is better for Doc (usually same frame data, but more damage. Forward tilt is less damage for Doc, but significantly better frame data so I suspect it's better overall too).
(The one likely exception for grounded moves is Mario's forward smash, which deals less damage, has less knockback, but has a second hitbox--sourspot, and has the transcendental property meaning it never clanks, always trades. General consensus is this forward smash is probably better for Mario over Doc, but definitely not by enough to make Mario close the gap on the ground).
So the one place Mario can close this gap is in his air moves. And yes, Mario's aerials do have faster L-cancel times. Usually something like 8 frames to 9 frames, or in a couple cases 7 frames to 9 frames. Add to this, often Mario deals a bit more percent with some of his aerials (unlike any of his ground moves). These are pretty nice.
But like...Doc also has his F-air, often rightly highlighted as Doc's biggest advantage, cause he can kill and Mario often struggles to kill. Also Doc's d-air sends in a downward spike angle, Mario's doesn't. So like...I'm not actually convinced Mario's more scary in the air. And he's definitely less scary on the ground.
I hope some high-level player gives game & watch a good shot. I'm biased but I think he still has potential to prove he's a good C-tier.
He is. Hax doesn't know about his grab game and overall combo tools for spacies. Gnw has a lot better times edgeguarding them than Roy or mew2
Squeachu is one of the best players in the UK, he plays G+W
Hax Moo-lah Bay-bee!
Congrats on this being your 69th video and good luck with your training, Boxxman! ❤️
Btw you a real competitor for this one, bad characters make the scene go round!
Love the content bro
DK bros... we were doing so well...
Wheres:
*master hand
*crazy hand
*female wireframe
*male wireframe
*mario climbers
*giga bowser
**SANDBAG*
Epic fail
Ness has a 4 frame jumpsquat
super strong list!
if you faced a player representing each character from bottom to top of your tier list, at which character do you think you would begin to struggle?
They intended her to be a separate character when they allow you to choose her before the match starts.
if they really wanted to explicitly make her a separate character they would put sheik on the css
Massive W w/ Link > Young Link
I genuinely think Ganon is higher than everyone in C tier and even Luigi, he bullies all those characters.
I’m not saying he’s good by any means, but I do think your undervaluing him a bit, Mekk has too 8’d multiple majors this year with him and even beaten you with the character
He struggles with spacies hard, but his bad matchups aren’t that bad actually. Sheik and Fox are his biggest road blocks, but you can learn execution with his CG and he becomes way more dangerous. And marth is rough but CC is REALLY good vs marth, and ganon lives for so long vs him
Imagine losing in tournament to the 17th best character in the game
Amusing that you started this video off with an explanation of why you have such a big S-tier when I just commented on the previous video that, essentially, I'd want to break that into two. I still stand by what I said there, the short version of which is:
"I don't like consolidating down to 3 tiers for this. I think with the characters you're looking at, there are some clear tiers that you captured well in your previous list:
- Wins regularly
- Wins occasionally
- Rarely or never wins, but it is or should be possible
- Never wins, and should never be expected to win, but is a threat to upset/make top 8
(and then everything not tiered isn't even a threat to upset, although I might add a few more characters to that final group)."
I do understand your point about it feeling arbitrary where you'd split the S-tier though, and in fact I also said: "There's a results-based argument that only Fox and Marth should be in "wins regularly", given the limited pool of players that have ever won majors with any other character, but it's hard to disentangle that from how few players actually win majors at all, so I could see ending this top tier anywhere from after Marth to after Puff."
Still, I think picking a dividing line somewhere is better than not doing so, because as I also said (sorry for excessive quotation but I'm just repeating myself anyway): "But I just can't see Falcon belonging up there when Wizzrobe is the only Falcon to ever do it, and has only done it a handful of times (depending on which events you count, arguably only once). By results Yoshi is arguably better than Falcon in terms of threat to win, though I'm not saying I'd put Yoshi above Falcon on a tier list."
By not picking a dividing line, and grouping Fox and Falcon together, I think it gives a distorted picture of character viability/threat to win.
Tier lists don't directly reflect tournament results. They play a part, but it's not the full story. Going only by results and likelihood of winning, Jigglypuff has won more majors **solo** than any other character in the game by a large margin, but putting her as the #1 character would be very controversial. There's other things that matter like the matchup spread of the character and the depth/options that that character has, and Jigglypuff has losing matchups and doesn't have as deep of a meta as Fox or Marth.
Recency bias plays a lot into most people's tier lists as well. The top 3 of this list are the only characters who have own majors this year, and notice how Puff and Falco are often disfavored out of a top 3 spot since neither have won a major on their own in the past year, even though historically they've been very dominant. The characters who win regularly vs. occasionally are often changing. Marth used to not win on his own very often but nowadays Zain is often favored to win anything he attends. Puff used to dominate the meta but hasn't won in a while, etc.
The way I see it, spacies, Marth and Puff belong in the S tier since historically and in recent years, they are the front runners for winning tournaments and top 8 always has at least 2 of those in it. Honestly I can see Sheik and Falcon being in the tier with them even though they're not quite as good though.
I get wanting to limit the number of tiers, but falcon gets fucked by every other character in the S tier so I feel like he should be in A tier...
He explained that in his other video
i feel like young link’s projectiles would give the rest of D tier a lot of trouble
Can't G&W just aerial through them?
Even if we assume, for example, roy loses to yink, theres still an argument that roy should be above him based on having better matchups vs spacies. Beating or at least having stuff to do against two top 5 characters is much more valuable than beating another d tier character.
@@leaffinite2001 YL's advantages against floaties outweigh anything Roy has against spacies. Hax is WAY overstating what tools he has considering he gets wrecked in neutral. It takes someone like Donttestme to beat an above-average fox, but I've seen multiple YL mains take sets from decent Peach/Puff mains.
@nahor88 my comment is purely hypothetical for the purposes of responding to the comment i responded to. Whether yl actually deserves a spot up or down or whatever idgaf, i was just demonstrating why i think yl beating the other d tiers in 1v1 doesnt necessarily mean he should be ranked above them (regardless of whether he should be considering other factors)
can't say Kirby is better than Ness. idk if i can even say Pichu is better than Ness. also Young Link being bottom of D, borderline F, is a crime to me. other than that i agree
I swear Hax made a full tier list 10 years ago. I remember him putting G+W above Doc, and Ness unusually high (likely due to Mofo's influence)
yes actually!!! i remember an exact quote when he said g&w was the last character with moves remotely viable in the neutral game
I respect Haxs attempt at ranking the lower tiers aswell, but he should really stick to high tiers, because he has almost no knowledge about any of the mid/low tiers and just goes by some singular strengths they have.
1. Falcon is way too high (most overrated high tier imo)
2. Mario is way worse than Doc (the fact Mario can't kill is huge, when the main goal is taking stocks)
3. Adult Link should be in B (His only really bad MU are Sheik and Falcon, he has good disjointed moves that are almost all combo starters like dsmash, dash attack and utilt, he has a tether grab which is relatively fast for it's range, he has solid kill confirms on all most the whole cast, he is heavy, has a great recovery and etc.) Link just doesn't have that one player who travels with him otherwise people would easily agree that Adult Link is B and WAAAY better than Y.Link
4. G&W is really underrated (All his aerials are basically high tier level good, except uair; dtilt is super good; has chaingrabs on spacies; can actually scrab because of his jab; kill confirms like Doc almost; good wavedash; high recovery; up b is a 1 frame move I think)
5. Bowser should be his own tier (If you have a big hurtbox and have the worst jump squat in the game, you are automatically the worst character in a game like Melee; no other character shares those two bad aspects, and thats just the tip of the iceberg why Bowser is absolute trash)
Zelda top tier is DAMN RIGHT!
link has an up-b oos?? idk I agree with most things up to this point
way too slow to punish anything but poorly executed pressure and smash attacks/dash attacks
ness is above g&w hes a really shit ganon with dash attack for range and asdi down, downtilt to create weird timings not to mention double jump canceling makes him actually have okay combos against fast fallers he also has charged smash attack to ledge trap, i just dont think people have played him enough (or should)
Falco and Puff could change depending on meta. Otherwise it's a pretty good list. DK should be over Doc.
I'm surprised u put GnW this low. I think ur looking at it too much from Fox' perspective. Roy is for sure better than GnW against spacies, but GnW seems way more balanced
It's sad that the Zelda transformation is so damn slow. Zelda isn't even *that* bad. It would've been really cool if it were actually viable to swap between them frequently like a proper stance character.
Think that Dk is better than Samus. Yeah everyone above him has better neutral, but I think his punish game is just so much better
what do you think about a tournament with only the C/D/F characters?
ganon would invalidate d/f tiers
Id love to see pokemon style tiering with tournaments only allowing low tiers. Itd probably not have enough players tho
@@megascrub3054 YL fucks up Ganon if he plays the MU properly, so no. Ganon realistically can't even touch YL.
ness has djc bair and uair at least
Genuine question: Is Hax unbanned? I feel like he could be a top ~30? player again?
Real, true, and based.
Falcon? In S tier?
Its fulllllllllll lets goooooo
cool video
i cant believe zelda is s tier
Can someone explain to me why Pikachu isn't above icies? Is it just because he loses that matchup?
handoffs are too crazy to put him below pikachu
@@dinglemcdangledongle oh okay thanks
good vid
Samus is good against DK. Nice list!!!
I don't see why, DK has a strong game and neutral game seems even. I think it's am even matchup. If you bring up projectiles, then I think you overestimate how easily they can be clanked with using bair/ftilt.
How about Zelda?
Ufffff you know the top tiers p well my guy but ur knowledge on mid and lows is uhhhhh.... yeah not great lol i will give u a hard agree specifically on YL tho xD anyone who touches YL i just tell them to play Doc. Doc does everything YL does but better.
Still good video tho liked hearing ur thoughts and logic imma still hit the like lol hope ur doing great hax 😊
Afraid of the Zelda players anger I see
Dude falcon is not S tier sorry u trippin homie
Hard disagree with ganon's placement. He has seen more results than mario, dk, or link. When has the last time any of those three placed top 12 at a major?
When was the last time ganon did that?
Mekk got 9th at Smash Con and 7th at Low Tide City as Ganon
Aklo played Link in grands of redemption rumble at the end of last year and won 1st place with him
Not arguing one way or another, but it might be worth considering that there are probably a lot more ganons than marios and links
Mario is way too high
you know NOTHING about ness nor have seen any ness gameplay
sure bud, pichu isnt E tier
Bowser is the worst
At least for now
Samus over Doc, Ganon and DK is wild. Lol
coo