Is Gaijin Wrong For This? | War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- What are your thoughts on changing premium vehicles?
I would rather have game balance than to keep vehicles overperforming, premium or not. That being said, this isn't anything out of the ordinary for Gaijin to do, and I don't think it's unfair since it's always known that any vehicle can change at any time, regardless of how much you pay for it.
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Release powerful vehicle -> put it at wrong BR -> make sales $$$$ -> Nerf and raise BR
add newer, even more powerful premium, then repeat
Let’s just Ignore every tech tree plane that was changed, as well as all the average premiums.
Let’s ignore how long its been out for
@@ItzCPU_ thats what makes this update annoying. yeah its realistic but it sucks
@@pogotf Then you should know that things in warthunder changed alot
Be me.
Finally make an update MiG-23ML review.
New review is instantly irrelevant.
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donutwithnustache moment
saddy :(
@@R77497 him complaining about overperforming f5 airframes is even funnier now.
War thunder since the beginning was about having realistic vehicles in unrealistic battles. Besides that the last thing i want is a world of tanks situation where the devs are too afraid to nerf premium vehicles.
As a MiG-23ML owner I have no issue with it getting nerfed to be realistic. While I will miss the current flight model, I'm glad it will be made accurate. Worst case scenario, they need to bump it down in BR and I don't have to fight F-15's and their 4 IRCCM missiles at the cost of relearning the plane and treating it as a missile bus instead of a jack of all trades plane.
Based
Agreed.
They're never gonna do that. They seem to love placing things in br according to their weapons.
@@ZigaZagu Exept the F-15, because, well, US mains.
@@enzohumeau8864 Overtiering non-soviet nations is a different story.
Its a wonder that German players are so terrible as to counteract that, huh?
I would rather that premium vehicles get corrected/balanced, and potentially BR changed than end up with unobtainable/removed from sale Uber premiums like their competition has that induces FOMO
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I dont mind things being nerfed, even premiums, if the battle rating shifts to reflect the nerf. If Gaijin significantly nerfs something and doesn't change the BR, it just goes to show how compressed the BR is, and that they are aware of it and not doing anything about it.
It should still be fine at 11,3 still has two amazing missiles and it’ll have good thrust and energy retention to make up for its new sustained turn, but the mig23M is cooked
@@theycallmetray396its new max sustained turn rate is 16deg/s (rn it is 20-21deg/s) at 800kph which is 2deg/s less than F-4S’s max sustained turn rate and they will also increase its bleed rate so this plane will lose its speed in “high” AoA turns like MiG-29 does rn so it will be a death sentence to enter a dogfight in MiG-23 and no it won’t have any energy retention cause this is exactly what they want to nerf by decreasing sustained turn rate and increasing bleed rate
@@user-jy6cn3jy8g Still would be playable like that IMO, especially if they downtier the Mig23ML/A/D to 11.0 and the Mig23M to 10.7
@@user-jy6cn3jy8gget over it. Us f104 players have done just fine. You need to to learn rather than bitch that you cant somehow manage to out turn a 60s era dogfighter.
@@casematecardinal I personally don’t care what they will do with 23’s cause I have all top tier vehicles of the game and will never ever play in 11.0-11.3 BR planes again cause it is easily the worst BR to play.
I just said that the guy who said that MiG-23 will still have some energy retention is wrong and also said why exactly he’s wrong
And yeah, in the current “missile spam” META dogfights are almost non-existent phenomena so this nerf won’t change much for 23’s gameplay but in the late game (1v1, 2v2 etc) 23 will be one of the worst planes of the BR cause it won’t be able to win a duel even against F-4
About starfighters, A and C are the most broken planes of the entire game, their top speed on the deck is higher than that of the F-16 or MiG-29, they have pretty much the same acceleration as F-16/MiG-29, they carry Vulcan which is the best gun in the game and face fckng subsonics that can’t even launch a missile in their ass cause they have none. Oh and both of these planes can pull 17G at 1.4M without losing their wings lmao. 104G is also not bad.
Any other starfighter is a joke with a little chances to not die in first 2 minutes and even less chances to kill someone. So everyone should skip 104J, 104SASA (aka 104ASS) and shouldn’t buy things like F-104S TAF
MiG-23-98 premium Soon™️?
U aim 7m me in Spain don't u remember Lee?
@@-RandomDudeOnUA-cam-why would he 💀💀
@@royalty9025 u did in air rb
Im pretty sure the MiG-21 Bis Underperforms in game. it should be able to pull more AOA than it does currently.
The mig21 in real life was able to pull so much AOA that it was able to cobra
According to the same guy who made the Mig 23 bug report, it is "Ackchuallyyy" *overperforming* by about 1 to 1.5 Gs in sustained turns. That is according to the flight manual. So you might be wrong.
... seriously this guy is a MiG reaper. He also has a similar bug report going for the F8.
@@SpicysaucedHD I'm not talking about sustained sturn rate AOA is usually linked with instantaneous turn. So a higher AOA is a higher instantaneous turn (it's more complicated than that but for the sake of the argument well go with this) the MiG 21 should have a complete digshit sustained turn rate
what was the chat saying when he finished the intro 🤨
Average WT chat logs
I am very glad to have played the mig23ml pre nerf. I bought the ml on sale to grind out the soviet tech tree. It was very enjoyable and i think the r24r makes the mig23ml one the strongest plane at its br, the r24r is even suprisingly effective in an uptier and can catch enemies offguard. However i do think it was overperforming a little bit, i was able to beat f15s in rate fights and 1v2 planes that probably shouldn't have been possible, however seeing the changes gaijin is gonna implement, they seem rather harsh.
i bought it 4 days ago because i heard of the upcomming changes and i wanted to grind as much as possible before that but i think they need to nerv vehicles to make them more historicly accurate. the only thing that i would do is that the need to display a big message 3 months before the changes to "warn" people who want to buy it
Everything in warthunder is subject to change
I think
I hate how the snail is inconsistent about airplanes' performance. Some planes are configured by the documents' numbers, while some of them perform crazy things like pulling 14g being definitely not rated for that
I don’t mind the change and like you said since the missiles are good so it should do find in 16v16, but I already used it to grind ussr so I doesn’t affect me too much. Also can someone tell me when is the may sale coming out?
The problem with 'never changing the premiums' is pretty well illustrated by WoWs. The only way to deal with overperforming premium vechicle is to remove it from sales in that case. Which leads to FOMO, powercreep(even faster).
It's better to include a "stats may change in the future" as a disclaimer and balance premiums as any other vechicle.
WoT also has that problem. And both WoWS and WoT are bad games.
If they nerf the flight model for historical accuracy and then downtier the plane then it's completely fine.
The J7-E and if cource the Mirage 2000D-R1 which a lot of people dont realize is at 11.3 with probably the best flight model for that BR
Shhhhhh don't tell them
I don't think the flight model matters, i have this plane and just boom and zoom. Rarely if ever get into dog fights, it has 6 good missiles so there's no real need to
After the nerf I would totally get the Su-25k instead. I grinded the Soviet tree out with it and it was actually really fun and you can STACK RP with the Su-25k. In downtiers its straight up unfair
What else are they supposed to do. Its a lose lose situation, either they nerf it and make wallet warriors mad or they leave it historically inaccurate
this isn't the first nerf to the mig-23ML it incorrectly had the SPO-15L instead of the SPO-10 on release and thats a MASSIVE capability difference
Yeah that was rough, thankfully i was almost done grinding the russian techtree when it happened
I subbed when playing SU11 with you for 3 or 4 straight matches. SU11 + talisman the mig21 SMT works fine for grinding though USSR for less $
5:35 But Mr Seek, the game isnt balanced when we face ± 1.0 uptiers and downtiers, and this without considering the fact that on top of this we have unspaded vehicles facing spaded vehicles, you throw this into the mix and the disparity increases exponentially.
They might as well debuff Su25 series and buff A10, A10 would be more survivable
Seek, if this game is allowed to just make up non-historical values for planes for the sake of balance then I won't be playing it. I play WT for the history and the accuracy. The BR is supposed to balance the plane, not fake flight models.
If they nerf the FMs and downtier the plane then no harm no foul and the plane would still be fun (arguably more fun at lower BRs) to fly. The last thing I want is for Gaijin to think it's OK to make values up. Wargaming makes values up and WoT/ WoWP/WoWS are the result. I want a vehicle game not a fantasy game.
Already happened once to a premium m60 for the Italians
7:38, I think it might set a dangerous precedent not implementing historically accurate changes for the sake of protecting customers. I'm not saying Gaijin hasn't done that before, though I'm also not aware of them having done that previously, but assuming a world where they are consistent in their logic and actions, I could see it being bad for the game to not nerf something just because it is sold. There's a difference between putting something in at a criminally low BR/exaggerating its performance to drive sales vs something getting nerfed as a natural consequence of the way the game is made; and I think this case falls into the latter category.
Content creators when the historical reporting system works as intnded
It’s not a historical reporting system, it’s a bug report system. Improper flight models are not bugs. It’s just that gaijin accepts these reports on that forum.
@SeekerHead They are bug reports to prevent ahistorical flight models
And almost solely for that
Ain't no way you're telling me stuff like "actually this plane didn't get this specific set of bullets until later so remove it" is a "bug" in any sense of the word.
Exactly, that’s my very point. The forum itself these reports are created on however IS for bugs. If you browse through, you will see actual bugs reported with appropriate files and clogs to help identify issues. For whatever reason though, gaijin also uses it as historical inaccuracies
I am okay with slight changes to performance/br for the sake of balance. However, when they intentionally keep premium vehicles low in BR and then raise them significantly after tons of people have bought them and claim it was just an oversight or an oopsie is wrong.
This isn't to say that they should never raise BRs of premium vehicles, but they are made to sell, not to balance, which is causing problems. Instead, they need to err the other way and give them conservatively high BR's and lower them if need be, that way players feel like they are getting what they paid for
I'm ok with this kind of nerf, especially at the time when it is not close to any sale which may encourage people to buy this vehicle (May sale does not include this plane). I still hate what they do when they first release Su-25K though, that's true clown action.
For a premium vehicle to get nerf, I think they might need a rebalance or something to compensate the nerf. Solet's wait and see what they do.
Yeah, but the SU25k on launch was genuinely fucking retarded. R60M's at 9.3 and a damage model that did not give a shit about how many missiles you threw at it.
The ml was really good only prob i had with it was it radar it wouldnt lock on thi gs when i het the buttons but overall a good jet is was
Since it's a nerf that makes the FM more accurate then I thing it should absolutely be implemented. It's unfortunate that a $70 was also caught in the crossfire but most people that bought it have had plenty of time to use it in its unnerfed state.
Also it's not like it will become unusable after the change. It will still be a good aircraft that you can perform decently at the BR. You just won't be able to dogfight F-16s and Mig-29s anymore. This is a good change.
-Day 1 owner of the MiG-23ML
Have fun with that -30% turn rate for all MiG 23s lol
Yeah no. It'll get outperformed by some Phantom variants, with the dogshit rwr it has now, and the fact it faces MiG-29s, Mirage 2000, F-16, F-14s and the fair and balenced 12.3 F-15s good luck.
I got this thing two months ago smh
@@DigitalShaolin Thanks. I will.
I'm still waiting for the damn zero to get it's historical FM nerf, lmao
>every source states that it was basically unable to turn past 320 MPH irl
>pulls 13g's at that speed in wt like it's nothing
i was going to buy ml but then i manned up and grinded to the MLD with su 25k and used that to grind to the mig 29's
Playing MIG23M/MF and 23BN after nerf is going to be painful
tbh when someone gets a premium part of it is knowing that it could get nefed
Mig23 game was like 7min, the whole time you had 0 dogfight, 0 gun kills. Who needs flight model in 11.3 battles?
I love balanced 11br phantom that pairs with 10.0 planes = enjoyable balanced game
So they’ll mess with the MiG-23 but not touch the F-16 even when it’s been admitted to not being modeled correctly??
I think I'm the only person that actually liked using the Lazur
I don't have the Lazur, but I have the tech tree bis and I love it
They should sent F-5c finally to 10.7 ffs
No.
The aim9E is fucking atrocious at 11.7 along with those weakass engines.... should it be facing 9.3 eh probably not but uptier it, unusable.... and it's meant to sell, either remove flares down tier it or keep it where it's at
@@Micro-Lander i know what ya mean... but for real... in literally 90% of 9.3 Games you get a bunch of Bloodthirsty F-5Cs in the Enemy Team if ya not Play US urself... mostly even then. And the uppermost 9.3s dont stand ANY Chance against this little Bulletproof Ahole
@@Micro-Lander Removing its flares would arguably be even more painful than using its 9Es since at 11.3 it'll be destroyed without them, it's kind of unbalanced either way and pretty hard to fix
@@geckogaming5884 They never had it. Plus there are a lot of 10.3 planes without flare.
Wow I’ve only had this thing for like 2 months smh
The 2nd Gripen Incident... 😨
With the only difference. The Gripen just became slightly worse than F-16A after all nerfs so that made it the second most manoeuvrable plane in the game and it is still the best and the most manoeuvrable 12.7 while MiG’s turn rate and energy retention will be worse than F-4S has rn but they share the same br and F-4S has 2 more SARH missiles that are much better than 24R’s and the same amount of IR missiles that are arguably better than r-60m’s. So it was the best 11.3 plane and after nerf it will be one of the worst 11.3 planes (if not the worst cause most players think that F-4S is the worst and MiG-23 will be even worse) so that’s not the Gripen’s story😅
Wow, nerfing a USSR jet and one of the only jets that could properly dogfight f16s due to its maneuverability and only leaving missile busses in the USSR fighters tech tree sounds surely like a great idea👍 what could possibly go wrong?
I love how a lot of Soviet jets are underperforming in game but F-16’s had their G-limiters removed.
@@ML_Tachanka US mains cry enough so that gaijin will help them, only way they keep the win rates stable knowing all the f5c and f4s bomb bus players
IRL it was a missile bus, that’s what it was designed to be, and it did not perform well at all IRL in a dogfight, just like contemporary missile busses, like the F4 Phantom. The MiG-23 was one of the worst soviet fighter jets ever put into service, only beaten by the likes of the MiG-9, and it’s almost certainly the worst of the supersonics.
@pliat now think about all dat except keep in mind we talking about a game, and the fact that now its going to be only missile busses and not many fighters that can actually dogfight. Is this game fun to you knowing that you press couple buttons and pray for a missile to hit which would be like 80% of gameplay?
Dog the mig 23 is not properly dogfighting a viper it’s just properly losing 💀
I think BR changes are worse than performance changes. But it's still kinda weird to research what you want to buy based on how good it is for the next day find out they made it bad.
changing models can either buff or nerf a plane but wouldn't be upset, its how balancing works, many premium vehicles had their BR increased by 1. or 2. because of updates, a scam would be if they had lowered the price of the vehicle then you now have people who bought a vehicle for $70 when a new price is now $50, that would be more of a scam.
I bought this 4 days before they nerfed it lol
Honestly the 23 getting nerfed really doesn't matter, it was already and still will be a good plane most likely even after the nerf.
Tornado f.3 thwacks the mig 23ml, better missiles and flightmodel only thing it doesn't have is the top speed
I Good to know that it has been over fucking performing for YEARS. I always knew it was way too strong for what it was, but everyone always called it a skill issue lol
Glad I already unlock all soviet planes by mainly using this jet. It is what it is.
The Mig23 has been broken since it came out, this nerf is long overdue
I do not think it is fair, but I have been playing this game for 13 years and it has happened before. I can't remember the tank they did it too, but it has been done.
FINALLY SOMEONE PRAISING THE J7E
I am THE J7E praiser
All the people who dont know it's gonna get nerfed after sale:
It is not on sale so it is fine
It’s not on sale
It was never supposed to perform this well this long. They did it to test missiles and made drag changes to the missiles but forgot the aircraft, they even have a post about why. The mig 23/27s are even worse irl then the nerf so it only makes since to do this as it's way overpreforming. This same thing happened to the ardvark.
I 100% agree with the change as long as it's been proven (it has) and historical. Same would be said for any vehicle
If they change the lazur m imma boycott it's an awesome jet but has its drawbacks
Thanks god I have already finished the Russian grind, and have the Flanker talismand... this plane was amazing to fly / play with to grind out the tree. Not sure whats going to happen now lol
i dont think its a scam, but i don't think the price fits or warrants a 70$ digital jet. Same thing with the tanks... i dont think Click Bait, CHallenger 2OES or RAAM Segal should be a 70$ tank either. I believe all premium vehicles over $30.00 USD should go down $10-15 USD too make the prices reflect the times. Also if Gaijin wants to charge more for a premium vehicle pack, then they should add more incentive like an extra 2k GE or an extra 30 days of premium with a guarenteed ingame title and profile picture. That would in my opinion warrent the $70 price tag call it [ (Pack Name)] Ultimate Collectors Pack.
Having played the MLA (which has the same FM and missiles) and the MLD, I disagree with you with all my soul: the whole ML series is busted at 11.3. The R-24R is ridiculously good and the planes have excellent flight performance, which I find very helpful even in Missile Thunder as they greatly improve your survivability and endgame potential, especially if your teammates aren't the most reliable. Downtiers in these planes are borderline ASMR for how easily you club everyone at 10.3. 70$ or not, if this thing is to stay at 11.3, it deserves a nerf. Paying a lot is not a reason to make the life of lower BR planes miserable whenever they encounter you.
Switch to irst if you wanna slave r-60ms
IRST has very limited FOV, since it can’t see above the nose. This is especially problematic at any kind of deflection angle
7:30
*F-16 and gripen both are G limited irl*
If the mig23 is getting these nerfs why aren’t the jets that have well documented limits?
Historical accuracy doesn’t matter in WT. what matters is fun and how much gaijin can make. Having an OP premium is fun for the people that buy it and makes gaijin a lot of money…
I dont really understand what's people's problem. Many vehicles get changed even drastically on a regular basis and that's why we have BR system. If it will be a significant change it can and most lilkely will go down in BR which we will make it still viable.
I personally think if a premium is just too good or op, or better than its tech tree counterpart a nerf is more than justified, no matter how many people bought it. They have every right to change the vehicles they release at any point. So in this case its just on the consumers end to read the terms and conditions. Whether Gaijin does it on purpose to release a premium at an overtuned state as a cash grab, just to nerf it afterwards, we don't know. But my rule in these cases is too simply wait 1 or 2 weeks after the vehicles release to see where it'll end up.
Now in the case of the MiG-23 I find it a bit odd, because they say its not really a nerf, but a correction from what I know and I am just baffled that it took them so long to "fix" that. The MiG-23s were never particularly overpowered or outstanding and the ML doesn't meet any of the above mentioned characteristics. Its not OP, too good, or better than its tech tree counterpart, but then again, this "correction" applies to all MiG-23s.
if anything is nerfed, then it should also be lowered in BR
I used it to research top tier, I now no longer need it, I don’t care what they do with it
Gaijin needs to do way more testing before releasing vehicles to prevent this from happening. It occurs way too often.
It’s no accident. They’re a shitty company.
It is strong, but it is not overpowered.
LF9 gets to be straight imbalanced to the point it dictates Air component of strategy in Regiment Battle up to 6.7 and it has never been nerfed.
The MiG 21’ bis is definitely not overpowering or deserving of a nerf, compared to the j7e its shit, and it has a better engine with two more missiles.💀
Both are great in their own ways. J-7E is absolutely the best performing (in terms of flight characteristics) 11.0 in the entire game. While bis is not that great FM-wise and compensates it with 2 more mediocre missiles.
the best option would be decompressing the BRs and keep the historical accuracies, so even with a drastic change like this a simple br adjustment is more than enough to keep all the fun, balance and accuracy.
but gaijin is gaijin and they will absolutly refuse to increase the BR cap more than 0.3 every major update and will keep looking for that easy cash from clueless plane nerds
You are all telling me that you paid to get a better plane and not for historical vehicles? Tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk
Well no, because the premium ML is only 1 of 3 ML variants
If brainrot was a company
Orrr they can raise the br of the damn f15
Well...
$70 for a vehicle in a War Thunder is a pure joke.
For this price you get a way more fun plane in DCS. Literally every one each.
As a premium, I think it has fallen off. It went from Peak MLA to a slightly better M.
i don't care if my favourite vehicle gets nerfed i care and wish we had in game vehicles as realistic as they can be
At least its not on sale.
It's a great plane when it is top BR. It is mid when it is bottom BR. But what honestly isn't? I had an F-5E complaining about me getting 3 kills in my "Overpowered MiG-23" when we were both top BR. Truly incredible. I killed one Draken with the 24R which, unsurprising, a lot of people at that BR don't see actually competent radar missiles and don't know basic avoidance of them, and then another two guys with R60's tunneled on two of my teammates. Seems blatantly busted.
At any rate I don't think it's terrible because if it is overperforming and they're going for "semi-realisitic" that's fine. It's just super interesting the timing of such a change after the way it's been for so long now. They acknowledge a bug report on it made only within the last month and further that by basically saying "Oh yea... we forgot to change it back when we were testing it with its missiles on board"
The Drakens don't have RWRs, they most likely didn't know you fired at them in the first place. They also have no CM or 12 in total with 6 deployments at max. The only thing you can do in a Draken against radar missiles is always have the altitude of a garden shed or not be there in the first place. While I agree that not a lot of people know how to fly against radar missles, in case of the Draken it was more of a capability gap.
@@GregBarsini Is that not what I'm saying? RWR or not people at that BR generally don't understand how they work to begin with and are not doing the simplest thing of flying on the deck to avoid them. Chaff is useless if you don't notch against CW seekers. Nevermind that even a lot of higher BR Jets can't even detect the MiG-23's J-band radar either, which it is well known for. That's literally why I said it was unsurprising I killed the guy lol. It's not just the game not giving him what he "needs". He likely has no idea how to begin using those means at that BR because it doesn't see competent radar missiles unless it's being uptiered against F-4S's and MiG-23's. I've been there with the F-1 right after the F-4S came out. Could've avoided a lot of unnecessary deaths if I knew about multipathing.
Historical accuracy is just an excuse to nerf the vehicle. Just look at the toptier, nothing is realistic.
If it starts to perform badly it will go down in BR.
Gaijin often says its about historical acuracy. but thy dont give a duck about this if they it fits there meaning. so they just screw there customers by intent
How and why is this now suddenly an issue? War thunder since the beginning has been buffing and nerfing premiums, and now it’s suddenly an issue? No, if you want to see what the game would be if they never changed premiums, take a look at WOT. WT prides itself on its accuracy, and sure, while it has many faults, that doesn’t make it not-ok to nerf a clearly unrealistically over-performing premium.
I was always puzzled by the MiG-23’s flight performance since it’s decently well known that it was, just like the F4 phantom, designed as a missile bus, and just like the F4 Phantom, it was not very manoeuvrable whatsoever. The fact this thing can win a dogfight with an F-5 is just silly really.
This is going to sound shitty, but if someone gets mad when they change something said person paid for, then stop buying premium vehicles. I'm all for buying the cool shiny premiums, but if you cant handle them changing, stop buying them. things change.
So it's gonna become a Russian Phantom equivalent? I don't see how that's so bad.
a report was made and its getting nerfed simple as, has nothing to do with balance
I bought it.
I think it's most definitely a scam.
It's not that the plane was shifted in BR, or that a new plane was added to completely roflstomp it - that already happened with the F-16 and F-15, as well as the MIG-29;
It's that the actual product that I bought is suddenly being manipulated - and more importantly, being ADVERSELY manipulated.
If I buy a Tesla, and Elon decides to limit my acceleration due to his own reasons, you bet your ass I'll sue.
If they go through with the nerf, I'll be demanding a refund - be it in IRL cash or GJN.
MiG-21 Bis will get nerfed, Gaijin what the f**k?
I love how the 23 is somehow OP but the F-16, with the most busted flight model in the whole game, just goes un-noticed. Something something Russian bias.
Put in the PAK-50 or SU-47 instead
I skipped the migs 23..the mig 21 bis is alot better at 11 br
Idk what people expect gaijin to do? Not change FM of premiums specifically? I don't really see average 23ML player to complain about nerf becouse they all level 6 and have noidea about the gmae regardless and everybody else gonna say it is P2W if the only FM that wasn't nerfed was premium. Is it bad that it took them so long to make this right? Sure thing. Is it necessary to get right? Absolutely. Now please fix F-15s radar, report on it was accepted like 3 month ago now
why would they nerv the mig21 its already not the best anymorey just why man i just want my planes to stay fun and not be made trash for the sake of "Historical accuracy"
THERE ARE NO sources. Just a statement of figures.
man this company doesn’t make very much sense
I buy more premium tanks/plane if they fix the grind when i come back to the game over two years a go i got a premium tank and still not uesed it yet because of the long grind to get a line up for it playing one death leave is not fun playing. Start to fell like this game is just a scam now
We all know gaijin cares fuckall for balance. The only reason they're nerfing this thing is to introduce something better to grind USSR in the next patch so the ML doesnt cannibalize the sales.
i used yr discout for 2 vechees on sale!
70 dollars is what Russia paid for a real jet like that I think.
well, in reality the mig-23 turned worse than the F4, so a nerf is fair. but it should have been worse from the beginning…
Totally not fair for the snail to make this big of a change to a premium plane this late in its life cycle. Players paid for the flight model they bought at the time not a completely different one because Gaijin messed up!
You’d like World of Tanks, i hear they never nerf premiums, and I’m sure their customers are having a great time.
They do this but the F-5C with fictional flares at 10.3 will remain forever and the F-15s still remain in 12.3...
Ah yes the russian bias
This is a very shady practice. They've done this a few times. This is why I don't buy premiums.