Prior to Simone Biles, Shannon Miller was referred to as the Most Decorated American Gymnast. So I am confused why she is ranked #4. Behind Shannon should be Dominique Dawes. Everyone else can fight for the remaining placements. Aly Raisman should be 4th. Considering she went to two Olympics and earned two silver all around medals. Defending her titles, since Simone and Gabi stole the limelight. I don’t really have an opinion on Nastia, Mary Lou, Suni, or even Carly, Shawn Johnson. None of the aforementioned gymnast, made the significant impact the top gymnast made. Nice video. I love discussing gymnastics statistics.
@@jonperry1688 If you did some research, you'd see that she was almost won it in '92 and was underscored. A lot of people believe she was cheated from it. She also was the first American to win a gold by herself in a non-boycotted games, and before the open end code
@@jonperry1688 Shannon Miller’s silver AA medal in Barcelona should be a gold because the gymnast who “won” the gold failed to qualify but was able to compete because one of the Unified Team gymnasts that did qualify “withdrew because of an unspecified injury” 🧐 Nothing to see here.
@@callieking8860 A lot of people disagreed with her wins at the 93 and 94 worlds in the AA too, particularly 94, if you want to play that game. Those type of arguments can be done for any gymnast. Nastia did win the Olympic AA handily in 2008, even against much tougher competition than Shannon had, and many felt she was robbed of the bars gold that year, plus the World AA gold she lost in 2005 by only .001. So yeah you can say some think Shannon should have won in 92, but you can make those sort of arguments for almost all the top US gymnasts minus Simone as well.
@@Katigirl23 Except if you followed gymnastics back then that sort of thing happened all the time. The 85 world AA title was shared by not one but TWO gymnasts who didn't even qualify as top 3 for the Soviet team (due to falls in the team competition) but were both put in for teammates who were pulled. If you don't believe me look it up yourself and you will see I am right. Marinescu was pulled for Amanar for the All Around twice, and she medaled both times. Lysenko was pulled for Bogi in major AA events twice. The Romanians and East Germans did switches amongst teammates all the time. If you are going to use that argument you would have to discount about half the medals that took place those years. Gutsu was a far better gymnast than Galieva who only made it barely due to a fall from Gutsu, so the Soviets smartly swapped them out, as was normal those days anyway.
So many talented US gymnasts! Shannon is my favorite and sad that Julianne and Kathy Johnson left off! May have been before your time but they paved a lot of the way for USA gymnastics!
Gabby has 3 Olympic Gold Medals, one being the AA Gold and qualitied 4th for the AA in 2016 but was eliminated due to the 2 per country rule that Miller didnt have to worry about in her Olympics
@@jonperry1688 Miller wasn't the third qualifier either time though 🤔 (in fact she qualified to AA Finals as the top American both times). She has many more individual World medals than Douglas, and many more individual World titles (Douglas has zero). Douglas (and Biles, for that matter) never had to do compulsories either, at which Shannon excelled.
Julianne McNamara deserves an honorable mention far more than some of your choices..to date in 2023 she is the ONLY American Olympics champion on uneven parallel bars...she also took home a team silver and floor silver, she also has bronze from World Cup on vault and and World Championships bronze on uneven parallel bars.
I would say Kathy Johnson as well. She has world and Olympic medals and the longevity of her staying after the ‘80 Olympic boycott was super impressive
Hello yes Julianne's definitely a American pioneer, and she just missed this list. But I'm working on a video right now honoring her, and some other individual event specialist!
@@iluvmovies1544 Julianne was never a specialist...she was GREAT on bars and floor, she had more "10.00's" than Mary-Lou at the Olympics and the first US "10.00"!!! as I pointed out Julianne was a medalst on 3 events, in 1981 she went into the BB final in first place, but the judges said she went overtime...I have watched the performance and her feet hit the mat at the same time the buzzer rang...the rules then stated that the feet had to have left the beam when the buzzer rang..but that was East Bloc judges...they were constantly giving Talavera bad scores throughout the meet as she was the US Champion.
Top 10 Best American Female gymnasts of the last 30 years, other than Mary Lou. Not really all time. And I think Kim Zmeskal should have gotten an honorable mention. First US world all around champion
I never heard of Mary Lou Retton referred to as Mary until now. ANd yes she was the first non Euro to win Olympic gold all around in 1984 but lest we forget Russia/Soviet Union was not there.
I know Marylou won all around medal but there were many gymnasts so much better than her. She got put in there more for her fame than her talent I think
@@nmelgar74You're certainly welcome to your opinion. However, I 100% disagree. At the time, Mary Lou was the best female gymnast on the Olympic team. Now for future ladies, as skills increased so did abilities. I don't know if Mary Lou would have increased her abilities to match the newbies. But isn't that true for everybody?
I love Gabby Douglas and I advocate for her all of the time for being the first Black AA Olympic champ, but she's a bit too high on the list, Shannon Miller, and Shawn Johnson has more accolades than her.
Prior to Simone Biles, Shannon Miller was referred as the most decorated American gymnast. So I am confused as to her rank on this video. Shannon should be #2. Also, Dominique Dawes should be #3.
Fun list. Simone is the undisputed queen! I really thought Shannon would be second, I’m pretty sure she is second in world/Olympic medal count in the US. Nastia third, Sacramone is also up there. Agree Zmeskal needs an HM.
Alicia Sacramone at the 2010 World Championships she became the most successful American gymnast with 9 medals, then they became 10 despite not competing due to injury in Tokyo in 2011. After her, only Simone Biles has won more medals on the international stage to date. She wasn't placed in the top 10, shame!
Shannon Miller should be #2 and most of these girls competed in the perfect 10 era not the open ended scoring era of modern day Shannon Miller competed in 2 Olympics and won 7 medals 3 Gold 2 Silver 2 Bronze there was a 3 way tie for Bronze on the Floor exercise in Barcelona with Cristina Bontas of Romania and Tatiana Gutsu of the Unified team
Definitely Kim Zmeskal! She was better than Shannon Miller before she got injured and outgrew gymnastics. First us world champ come on now! Gotta at least be honorable mention and Chelsey Memel
How can Kim zmeskal Nautilus be a honorable mention I mean she wants she was the first woman to win a world title and she had serious power on the balls
I think Shawn is a better gymnast than Nastia. Shawn got screwed out of an all around gold. Nastia's floor routine looked sloppy as hell with her cowboy'ed saltos and her crossed legs during her layouts... yet they get the same score? Plus her legs always look bent to me. Then on beam the judges give her a connection bonus she didn't earn... even that dipshit Tim Daggett noticed! Anyways i just think Nastia does sloppy Gymnastics (she has some nice release skills on bars maybe but still sloppy). Shawn deserves a higher ratings as does Ali. Nastia and Mary-Lou should be bumped down 😊 Thanks for putting this together; everyone has opinions and you did a good job with the clips and listing of accomplishments!
I agree with the choices (mostly), but not the ranking. Aly Raisman is way too low. In terms of world and Olympic medals, she’s the third most decorated American gymnast. And while Carly Patterson and Shawn Johnson were both great when they competed, they didn’t have the career longevity that Aly had. Raisman made two Olympic teams and medaled in both. Also, no disrespect to Mary Lou Retton, but she competed in a very weak era and only really had a breakthrough at one big meet. She won at a boycotted Olympics, and never won a single world championship medal of any color. Sorry, but while being the “first” to win an all-around title and putting American gymnastics on the map is something you can’t take away from her, that does not make her competitive of greatest American gymnasts. Additionally, I think that Shannon Miller has way more medals than Gabby Douglas ever got, so she should be ranked higher. Also, how does Chellsie Memmel not get even an honorable mention? 10. Chellsie Memmel 9. Dominique Dawes 8. Carly Patterson 7. Sunisa Lee 6. Shawn Johnson 5. Aly Raisman 4. Gabby Douglas 3. Nastia Liukin 2. Shannon Miller 1. Simone Biles I would have left Mary Lou off and added Chellsie TBH. Otherwise, good list - I think I mostly just disagree with the order.
Why would you put Nastia over Gabby? Gabby has two Olympics to here name and more Olympic gold medals. You praised the longevity of Aly, correctly, but didnt dock Nastia for her inability to make two olympic teams and Gabbys ability to not only do so but also to do so and actually have a shot at winning another AA medal. She qualified in 4th and her qualified scores would have secured her the silver in the AA final if the US could have sent more than 2 athletes.
@@jonperry1688 Good question. So here is my reasoning, even though Gabby made a second Olympic team, she did not compete elite for most of that quad. She basically came back the year before the Olympics and made the team. And she was also not ranked for her entire run in her first quad either. Nastia was competitive throughout the entire 2005-2008 quad. Gabby was competitive in 2011-2012, and then again from 2015-2016. So really, she has about the same “active” longevity as Nastia has (about 4 years). Also, longevity is only one criteria used to judge “greatness”. And while it is important, there are other metrics which must be considered as well. If I were judging based SOLELY on longevity, then Dominique Dawes is the greatest American gymnast! She’s the only one to make 3 Olympics and she medaled in all of them. The only reason she’s not ranked higher on my list is because only 1 of her 4 Olympic medals is an individual medal, and she never won an all-around title. While it is true that Nastia failed to make a second Olympic team, you have to look at what she was able to accomplish when she competed. The reason I rank Nastia ahead of Gabby has to do with the overall number of medals she’s won, especially as an individual gymnast. Nastia won more medals at a single Olympics than Gabby did in two! Nastia won 5 medals in 2008, and 4 of them are individual medals. Gabby won 3 between the 2012 and 2016 Olympics, and only 1 is an individual medal. Moreover, the Olympics is not the only thing that counts. You also have to look at World Championships. Gabby has 3 world championships medals, including a silver all-around title. That’s impressive, but then Nastia also has a world all-around silver with a total of 9 medals. Six of her 9 medals are individual medals and 3 of them are gold. This means that she dominated most of her rivals in more events. When you look at total international medals, Nastia has 14 total (making her the 3rd most decorated American gymnast behind Biles and Miller). Gabby only has 6 at that level, and 4 of them are team medals. In my opinion that puts Nastia ahead of Gabby but by a significant margin.
@@wheresbaby7783 I agree, Aly was not the most “graceful” gymnast in terms of artistry. But she was one of the most consistent, and had a well enough choreographed routine to win an Olympic gold and silver on floor exercise. You could make the same argument for Jade Carey, but again - Olympic floor gold medalist! 🥇 🤷🏽♂️
I agree with the addition of Chellsie, but would also consider Zmeskal. I'd place Gabby lower and Aly and Shawn higher. Aly deserves praise for her role in the Nassar scandal, too, which is a service to the sport. And Chellsie for still sharing her passion for the sport and being active in it, even with no chance of adding to her medal collection.
It almost certainly won't be this quad if we do. Even if she was back in the gym six months ago, she really doesn't have time to get back into Olympic competitive shape with only about 15 months to go before the Games. I really wish people would just leave the poor girl alone and let her enjoy planning her wedding. She'll come back if she wants to.
shes not just "the greatest american gymnast" shes the greatest gymnast in my opinion male or female she has more world medals and records then anyone and tied with shannon for most olympic medals by a american gymast
Oh ghhhhhod MLR is SO OVERRATED Phebe Mills was 10x better than MLR and Shannon should have been #2, i know its hard to move Gabby but shannon was a trailblazer and has #2 on lock 🔒 to simone in most peoples eyes. Your list was good i was glad brandy johnson wasnt on here
Uh, how does a NCAA gymnast make a list with elite gymnasts? Not knocking Ohashi, but don't put an orange on a list of apples Also, Sacromoni? Her biggest contribution to the Olympic team was falling off the balance beam and floor exercises and costing the team the gold medal.
You seem to be missing some info. Ohashi was an elite gymnast for 4 years, although her senior elite career was extremely brief. She did not compete at Worlds or Olympics as a senior, but she did win the American Cup over Simone. I am surprised to see her on this list as most of her elite accomplishments were as a junior, but NCAA isn't the only thing she's known for. Alicia Sacramone is a World Champion on vault and floor. She is the 4th most decorated American gymnast. The fact that she made mistakes takes nothing away from her accomplishments.
I feel like Aly Raisman should be higher but I don't really know why because everyone else is great too. Definitely can't argue placements on any of these gymnasts to be honest.
Don’t think Dawes should be this far up, or even on the list at all. At the very least, I think Sacramone and Memmel should both 100% be ahead of her. I get that she’s the only one to medal at three olympics, but her individual success is limited.
She did have issues on her vault in 93 and 94 worlds or she would’ve beaten or been close to beating Miller. She also won all five gold medals at the 94 nationals. I wouldn’t say her individual success was limited. It just wasn’t consistent due to nerves and whatever Kelly was putting her thru
Dominique Dawes was very important to many African American kids bc we saw someone like us succeeding. The three Olympics alone puts her in a class above Memmel and Sacramone, who each only competed in one. (And Memmel barely participated in hers.) I don't know Memmel's exact individual World/Olympic medal total off the top of my head.. (Maybe 4 or 5?) Dawes has 4. So I absolutely think she's in the conversation, especially compared to Memmel.
You're an idiot same Dominique Dawes not belong on the list 2 Chainz gymnastic in many ways and was Don the top domestic for 12 years makes me just want to jump off the bridge when someone says Subs things so stupid
She didnt me down... she protected herself from harm. All bet the gymnist that are paralyed now wished they were strong enough to protect themselves not to please or disappoint anyone
I’m sorry?? When have you ever completed at the Olympic stage while being sexually abused and still came home with 5 medals?? When have you ever won a world championship while passing kidney stones?? When have you ever had 4 gymnastics skills names after you?? Simone biles doesn’t choke under pressure. Simone biles takes a step back when she needs too because she recognizes she’s a human first before a gymnast. After repeatedly being traumatized under the organization that you have won 25 gold medals for I think it’s okay if she takes a step back at one competition and say no someone else can take on the responsibility. Do you have a single ounce of empathy? It doesn’t take an expert to realize the about of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse these gymnasts went through all while earning gold medal after gold medal for the United States. There is SO MUCH Simone biles will be remembered for.
No, she won’t - because she didn’t “choke”. She withdrew due to safety concerns because she wasn’t capable of performing twisting elements at that time. She probably saved herself from serious injury and allowed her other team members to step up to ensure they’d earn a team medal. So it was the smart thing to do. And she came back after that to win a bronze on beam with an alternate routine. It’s kind of ridiculous to call it choking when you make calculated decisions which payoff and result in winning a team and individual medal. She’ll MOSTLY be remembered for being the GOAT, winning the most world titles of any other gymnast, and having introduced new moves and difficulty unprecedented before.
@@captainbryce1 holy crap you actually believed the twisting excuse? She later admitted she dropped out because of mental health issues, which are completely different from aerial orientation. She choked.
Ohashi got an honorable mention? Are you for real? She didn’t make a single world championship or Olympic team. How does she get an honorable mention over athletes like Kathy Johnson, Julianne McNamara, Kim zmeskal, chellsie memmel, jordyn wieber, and so many others. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@kershawa424 no. She also lost to Ross at a tri-meet between the USA, Romania, and Germany (she lost some training camp competitions). Even if she was the only gymnast to beat biles. That is still not anywhere near good enough of a reason to give her honorable mentions as best American female gymnasts of all time over those I mentioned and many others.
I think Amy Chow deserves a nod as well. Two Olympics and medals of every color. Also, the first Asian American to medal.
Prior to Simone Biles, Shannon Miller was referred to as the Most Decorated American Gymnast. So I am confused why she is ranked #4. Behind Shannon should be Dominique Dawes. Everyone else can fight for the remaining placements. Aly Raisman should be 4th. Considering she went to two Olympics and earned two silver all around medals. Defending her titles, since Simone and Gabi stole the limelight. I don’t really have an opinion on Nastia, Mary Lou, Suni, or even Carly, Shawn Johnson. None of the aforementioned gymnast, made the significant impact the top gymnast made. Nice video. I love discussing gymnastics statistics.
I agree with you @gymdaddy
Shannon Miller was underranked on this. She should be #2
She doesnt have a individual an Olympic AA Gold though
@@jonperry1688 If you did some research, you'd see that she was almost won it in '92 and was underscored. A lot of people believe she was cheated from it. She also was the first American to win a gold by herself in a non-boycotted games, and before the open end code
@@jonperry1688 Shannon Miller’s silver AA medal in Barcelona should be a gold because the gymnast who “won” the gold failed to qualify but was able to compete because one of the Unified Team gymnasts that did qualify “withdrew because of an unspecified injury” 🧐 Nothing to see here.
@@callieking8860 A lot of people disagreed with her wins at the 93 and 94 worlds in the AA too, particularly 94, if you want to play that game. Those type of arguments can be done for any gymnast. Nastia did win the Olympic AA handily in 2008, even against much tougher competition than Shannon had, and many felt she was robbed of the bars gold that year, plus the World AA gold she lost in 2005 by only .001. So yeah you can say some think Shannon should have won in 92, but you can make those sort of arguments for almost all the top US gymnasts minus Simone as well.
@@Katigirl23 Except if you followed gymnastics back then that sort of thing happened all the time. The 85 world AA title was shared by not one but TWO gymnasts who didn't even qualify as top 3 for the Soviet team (due to falls in the team competition) but were both put in for teammates who were pulled. If you don't believe me look it up yourself and you will see I am right. Marinescu was pulled for Amanar for the All Around twice, and she medaled both times. Lysenko was pulled for Bogi in major AA events twice. The Romanians and East Germans did switches amongst teammates all the time. If you are going to use that argument you would have to discount about half the medals that took place those years. Gutsu was a far better gymnast than Galieva who only made it barely due to a fall from Gutsu, so the Soviets smartly swapped them out, as was normal those days anyway.
Kim Zmeskal should be on the list! She is the 1st USA All Around World Champion. World champion on Floor and Beam! Plus Olympic Bronze Medalist.
I agree she should leave get it honorable mention
Domi is the only American gymnast to win medals in three Olympics. Love that statistic.
Was there ever even another US gymnast in three Olympics period?
@@Maryroachguilbeaux I dunno I’m not familiar with earlier Olympic Games like before 72 ish
@@Maryroachguilbeaux No there wasn't!
@@Maryroachguilbeaux There were two others, Muriel Grossfeld ('56, '60, '64) & Linda Metheny ('64, '68, '72).
@@felicialovesnkotb ah thanks for the info!
So many talented US gymnasts! Shannon is my favorite and sad that Julianne and Kathy Johnson left off! May have been before your time but they paved a lot of the way for USA gymnastics!
Wait was Gabby Douglas really #2? Over Shannon Miller??? Shock and awe.
Gabby has 3 Olympic Gold Medals, one being the AA Gold and qualitied 4th for the AA in 2016 but was eliminated due to the 2 per country rule that Miller didnt have to worry about in her Olympics
@@jonperry1688 Miller wasn't the third qualifier either time though 🤔 (in fact she qualified to AA Finals as the top American both times). She has many more individual World medals than Douglas, and many more individual World titles (Douglas has zero). Douglas (and Biles, for that matter) never had to do compulsories either, at which Shannon excelled.
@@jonperry1688 she was actually 3rd in qualifying at Rio!
No way Douglas is over Miller or Raisman in my book. 😂😂😂
@@heatherwicker9990GTFO with Rasiman and her ugly ass gymnastics how many AA medals has she won in comparison to Gabby? Yea stfu
Congratulations to all wonderful gymnastics 👌👌👌
What I love about Simone is that her success was her and her family and her coaches, a truly joint effort. She is such a special person!!!!!
Julianne McNamara deserves an honorable mention far more than some of your choices..to date in 2023 she is the ONLY American Olympics champion on uneven parallel bars...she also took home a team silver and floor silver, she also has bronze from World Cup on vault and and World Championships bronze on uneven parallel bars.
I would say Kathy Johnson as well. She has world and Olympic medals and the longevity of her staying after the ‘80 Olympic boycott was super impressive
Hello yes Julianne's definitely a American pioneer, and she just missed this list. But I'm working on a video right now honoring her, and some other individual event specialist!
@@Pastyovercoat Tracee Talaver and Juli!anne were both on the 1980 team, and both World and Olympic medalists...
@@iluvmovies1544 Julianne was never a specialist...she was GREAT on bars and floor, she had more "10.00's" than Mary-Lou at the Olympics and the first US "10.00"!!! as I pointed out Julianne was a medalst on 3 events, in 1981 she went into the BB final in first place, but the judges said she went overtime...I have watched the performance and her feet hit the mat at the same time the buzzer rang...the rules then stated that the feet had to have left the beam when the buzzer rang..but that was East Bloc judges...they were constantly giving Talavera bad scores throughout the meet as she was the US Champion.
@@kevinjewell233 oh I totally forgot about tracee. Good call. She was phenomenal
Alicia should be near the top. She had the record for most world medals in the US until Simone broke it
What's the barometer for best? Opinion or based on results? :)
Top 10 Best American Female gymnasts of the last 30 years, other than Mary Lou. Not really all time. And I think Kim Zmeskal should have gotten an honorable mention. First US world all around champion
isn't Mary Lou even over 30 yrs ago...but yea these are only recent gymnasts
@@rickwrites2612 They are the mostly decorated American gymnasts though
You can only say "So Far" anyway, all time hasn't gone yet, there was no Biles a few decades ago so who knows what we might see in the future?
A few things... Suni should not be number 10 and Gabby should not be #2 also, you forgot Jordyn Wieber
mary lou above shawn johnson?? no
I never heard of Mary Lou Retton referred to as Mary until now. ANd yes she was the first non Euro to win Olympic gold all around in 1984 but lest we forget Russia/Soviet Union was not there.
I'm not sure who to replace in the top 10 but I do believe Alicia Sacramone belongs with these ladies listed. Perhaps a tie between her and MaryLou.
I know Marylou won all around medal but there were many gymnasts so much better than her. She got put in there more for her fame than her talent I think
@@nmelgar74You're certainly welcome to your opinion. However, I 100% disagree. At the time, Mary Lou was the best female gymnast on the Olympic team. Now for future ladies, as skills increased so did abilities. I don't know if Mary Lou would have increased her abilities to match the newbies. But isn't that true for everybody?
I love Gabby Douglas and I advocate for her all of the time for being the first Black AA Olympic champ, but she's a bit too high on the list, Shannon Miller, and Shawn Johnson has more accolades than her.
I wish you did this slower; it was hard to keep up.
Prior to Simone Biles, Shannon Miller was referred as the most decorated American gymnast. So I am confused as to her rank on this video. Shannon should be #2. Also, Dominique Dawes should be #3.
Nice
No mention of Kim Zmeskal? Downvoted.
Fun list. Simone is the undisputed queen! I really thought Shannon would be second, I’m pretty sure she is second in world/Olympic medal count in the US. Nastia third, Sacramone is also up there. Agree Zmeskal needs an HM.
Felicidades
Simone Biles will always be my favorite, such talent in such a small body, wow!
Where is Chelsea
Nobody refers to Mary Lou Retton as Mary. She is always called Mary Lou.
Alicia Sacramone at the 2010 World Championships she became the most successful American gymnast with 9 medals, then they became 10 despite not competing due to injury in Tokyo in 2011. After her, only Simone Biles has won more medals on the international stage to date. She wasn't placed in the top 10, shame!
Dominique Dawes created so history and she’s not even top 5?
Is this a subjective or objective list?
Shannon Miller is #2! Fixed it ;-)
Shannon Miller should be #2 and most of these girls competed in the perfect 10 era not the open ended scoring era of modern day Shannon Miller competed in 2 Olympics and won 7 medals 3 Gold 2 Silver 2 Bronze there was a 3 way tie for Bronze on the Floor exercise in Barcelona with Cristina Bontas of Romania and Tatiana Gutsu of the Unified team
Shannon Miller will always be the best
Definitely Kim Zmeskal! She was better than Shannon Miller before she got injured and outgrew gymnastics. First us world champ come on now! Gotta at least be honorable mention and Chelsey Memel
How can Kim zmeskal Nautilus be a honorable mention I mean she wants she was the first woman to win a world title and she had serious power on the balls
I think Shawn is a better gymnast than Nastia. Shawn got screwed out of an all around gold. Nastia's floor routine looked sloppy as hell with her cowboy'ed saltos and her crossed legs during her layouts... yet they get the same score? Plus her legs always look bent to me. Then on beam the judges give her a connection bonus she didn't earn... even that dipshit Tim Daggett noticed! Anyways i just think Nastia does sloppy Gymnastics (she has some nice release skills on bars maybe but still sloppy). Shawn deserves a higher ratings as does Ali. Nastia and Mary-Lou should be bumped down 😊
Thanks for putting this together; everyone has opinions and you did a good job with the clips and listing of accomplishments!
mary lou shouldnt even be on this list lol she competed without anyh actual competition
Simone Biles: Amazing athlete 👍
That list is so accurate …
I disagree on Gabby being number 2! Shawn was better than her!
How so?
Simon hello
This is great but who’s in the thumbnail? It’s driving me crazy because I can’t place them!
Suni should be way higher. An Olympic individual AA gold medal trumps literally any other achievement in my opinion
I would argue that Simone not taking part heavily influenced all individual medals in 2021.
I agree with the choices (mostly), but not the ranking. Aly Raisman is way too low. In terms of world and Olympic medals, she’s the third most decorated American gymnast. And while Carly Patterson and Shawn Johnson were both great when they competed, they didn’t have the career longevity that Aly had. Raisman made two Olympic teams and medaled in both. Also, no disrespect to Mary Lou Retton, but she competed in a very weak era and only really had a breakthrough at one big meet. She won at a boycotted Olympics, and never won a single world championship medal of any color. Sorry, but while being the “first” to win an all-around title and putting American gymnastics on the map is something you can’t take away from her, that does not make her competitive of greatest American gymnasts. Additionally, I think that Shannon Miller has way more medals than Gabby Douglas ever got, so she should be ranked higher. Also, how does Chellsie Memmel not get even an honorable mention?
10. Chellsie Memmel
9. Dominique Dawes
8. Carly Patterson
7. Sunisa Lee
6. Shawn Johnson
5. Aly Raisman
4. Gabby Douglas
3. Nastia Liukin
2. Shannon Miller
1. Simone Biles
I would have left Mary Lou off and added Chellsie TBH. Otherwise, good list - I think I mostly just disagree with the order.
Why would you put Nastia over Gabby? Gabby has two Olympics to here name and more Olympic gold medals. You praised the longevity of Aly, correctly, but didnt dock Nastia for her inability to make two olympic teams and Gabbys ability to not only do so but also to do so and actually have a shot at winning another AA medal. She qualified in 4th and her qualified scores would have secured her the silver in the AA final if the US could have sent more than 2 athletes.
Aly Raisman could not dance at all I mean a blind bull can dance better than her
@@jonperry1688 Good question. So here is my reasoning, even though Gabby made a second Olympic team, she did not compete elite for most of that quad. She basically came back the year before the Olympics and made the team. And she was also not ranked for her entire run in her first quad either. Nastia was competitive throughout the entire 2005-2008 quad. Gabby was competitive in 2011-2012, and then again from 2015-2016. So really, she has about the same “active” longevity as Nastia has (about 4 years).
Also, longevity is only one criteria used to judge “greatness”. And while it is important, there are other metrics which must be considered as well. If I were judging based SOLELY on longevity, then Dominique Dawes is the greatest American gymnast! She’s the only one to make 3 Olympics and she medaled in all of them. The only reason she’s not ranked higher on my list is because only 1 of her 4 Olympic medals is an individual medal, and she never won an all-around title.
While it is true that Nastia failed to make a second Olympic team, you have to look at what she was able to accomplish when she competed. The reason I rank Nastia ahead of Gabby has to do with the overall number of medals she’s won, especially as an individual gymnast. Nastia won more medals at a single Olympics than Gabby did in two! Nastia won 5 medals in 2008, and 4 of them are individual medals. Gabby won 3 between the 2012 and 2016 Olympics, and only 1 is an individual medal.
Moreover, the Olympics is not the only thing that counts. You also have to look at World Championships. Gabby has 3 world championships medals, including a silver all-around title. That’s impressive, but then Nastia also has a world all-around silver with a total of 9 medals. Six of her 9 medals are individual medals and 3 of them are gold. This means that she dominated most of her rivals in more events. When you look at total international medals, Nastia has 14 total (making her the 3rd most decorated American gymnast behind Biles and Miller). Gabby only has 6 at that level, and 4 of them are team medals. In my opinion that puts Nastia ahead of Gabby but by a significant margin.
@@wheresbaby7783 I agree, Aly was not the most “graceful” gymnast in terms of artistry. But she was one of the most consistent, and had a well enough choreographed routine to win an Olympic gold and silver on floor exercise. You could make the same argument for Jade Carey, but again - Olympic floor gold medalist! 🥇 🤷🏽♂️
I agree with the addition of Chellsie, but would also consider Zmeskal. I'd place Gabby lower and Aly and Shawn higher. Aly deserves praise for her role in the Nassar scandal, too, which is a service to the sport. And Chellsie for still sharing her passion for the sport and being active in it, even with no chance of adding to her medal collection.
Alli is way too low! Especially when she is rated #3 for all USA gymnasts!
I wonder if we’ll see Simone compete again??
she said she might be back for paris olympics but right now she is just trying to focus on her mental health and have fun with her fiance
It almost certainly won't be this quad if we do. Even if she was back in the gym six months ago, she really doesn't have time to get back into Olympic competitive shape with only about 15 months to go before the Games. I really wish people would just leave the poor girl alone and let her enjoy planning her wedding. She'll come back if she wants to.
We just did at the 2023 American Classics. And it seems like nothing has changed; she won everything by 5 points.
Simply amazing!
shes not just "the greatest american gymnast" shes the greatest gymnast in my opinion male or female she has more world medals and records then anyone and tied with shannon for most olympic medals by a american gymast
Mary?
Suni has surpassed Carly imo
Oh ghhhhhod MLR is SO OVERRATED Phebe Mills was 10x better than MLR and Shannon should have been #2, i know its hard to move Gabby but shannon was a trailblazer and has #2 on lock 🔒 to simone in most peoples eyes. Your list was good i was glad brandy johnson wasnt on here
AGREED. AND ARMY loves BLACKPINK! JENNIE X TAEHYUNG BEST COUPLE EVER I love them so much. They must get married. ANnyeong
Uh, how does a NCAA gymnast make a list with elite gymnasts? Not knocking Ohashi, but don't put an orange on a list of apples
Also, Sacromoni? Her biggest contribution to the Olympic team was falling off the balance beam and floor exercises and costing the team the gold medal.
You seem to be missing some info.
Ohashi was an elite gymnast for 4 years, although her senior elite career was extremely brief. She did not compete at Worlds or Olympics as a senior, but she did win the American Cup over Simone. I am surprised to see her on this list as most of her elite accomplishments were as a junior, but NCAA isn't the only thing she's known for.
Alicia Sacramone is a World Champion on vault and floor. She is the 4th most decorated American gymnast. The fact that she made mistakes takes nothing away from her accomplishments.
I feel like Aly Raisman should be higher but I don't really know why because everyone else is great too. Definitely can't argue placements on any of these gymnasts to be honest.
Thank you for watching and sharing!
Laughing at all the "Mary" usage. Mary Lou is the name.
Hard disagree with most of this list.
Post your picks.
Jordan weiber
Not a remotely realistic list at all. Do some research prior to the last 10 years.
I think Shawn was as good or better than Simone.
Guess what? Shawn Johnson disagrees.
If she was better than simone she should have 32 medals which simone has simone she's is a real deal here try to appreciate good not pickpoint
Don’t think Dawes should be this far up, or even on the list at all. At the very least, I think Sacramone and Memmel should both 100% be ahead of her. I get that she’s the only one to medal at three olympics, but her individual success is limited.
She did have issues on her vault in 93 and 94 worlds or she would’ve beaten or been close to beating Miller. She also won all five gold medals at the 94 nationals. I wouldn’t say her individual success was limited. It just wasn’t consistent due to nerves and whatever Kelly was putting her thru
Thanks for sharing!
Dominique Dawes was very important to many African American kids bc we saw someone like us succeeding. The three Olympics alone puts her in a class above Memmel and Sacramone, who each only competed in one. (And Memmel barely participated in hers.) I don't know Memmel's exact individual World/Olympic medal total off the top of my head.. (Maybe 4 or 5?) Dawes has 4. So I absolutely think she's in the conversation, especially compared to Memmel.
@@thesovgc 3 olympic teams alone, and medaled in all of them. That's pretty much puts you on this list. Shes the only American to do so.
You're an idiot same Dominique Dawes not belong on the list 2 Chainz gymnastic in many ways and was Don the top domestic for 12 years makes me just want to jump off the bridge when someone says Subs things so stupid
Simone is by far the G.O.A.T. but at the last Olympics she will be known as letting everyone down, sorry
Yeah, she def should have competed and broken her neck because she was unable to spot the floor. Anything for a medal right?
She is real coz atleast she put health first what if she was injured what were you going to say
She didnt me down... she protected herself from harm. All bet the gymnist that are paralyed now wished they were strong enough to protect themselves not to please or disappoint anyone
Let
Simone will always be remembered for choking under pressure in Tokyo.
I’m sorry?? When have you ever completed at the Olympic stage while being sexually abused and still came home with 5 medals?? When have you ever won a world championship while passing kidney stones?? When have you ever had 4 gymnastics skills names after you?? Simone biles doesn’t choke under pressure. Simone biles takes a step back when she needs too because she recognizes she’s a human first before a gymnast. After repeatedly being traumatized under the organization that you have won 25 gold medals for I think it’s okay if she takes a step back at one competition and say no someone else can take on the responsibility. Do you have a single ounce of empathy? It doesn’t take an expert to realize the about of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse these gymnasts went through all while earning gold medal after gold medal for the United States. There is SO MUCH Simone biles will be remembered for.
@@meganmontoney1113 nothing you said contradicted my statement.
I think she will remembered for the insane skills named after her, that hopefully someone else will be able to perform.
No, she won’t - because she didn’t “choke”. She withdrew due to safety concerns because she wasn’t capable of performing twisting elements at that time. She probably saved herself from serious injury and allowed her other team members to step up to ensure they’d earn a team medal. So it was the smart thing to do. And she came back after that to win a bronze on beam with an alternate routine. It’s kind of ridiculous to call it choking when you make calculated decisions which payoff and result in winning a team and individual medal. She’ll MOSTLY be remembered for being the GOAT, winning the most world titles of any other gymnast, and having introduced new moves and difficulty unprecedented before.
@@captainbryce1 holy crap you actually believed the twisting excuse? She later admitted she dropped out because of mental health issues, which are completely different from aerial orientation. She choked.
Ohashi got an honorable mention? Are you for real? She didn’t make a single world championship or Olympic team. How does she get an honorable mention over athletes like Kathy Johnson, Julianne McNamara, Kim zmeskal, chellsie memmel, jordyn wieber, and so many others. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Cause she did so much for the popularity of gymnastics.
Her late floor routines were next level.
@@wonderfalg lord help me with this one. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Probably someone very young made the video? I agree Kathy, Kim and Julianne amazing!
Wasn't she the only person to beat Simone in an elite competition (before she retired from elite)?
@@kershawa424 no. She also lost to Ross at a tri-meet between the USA, Romania, and Germany (she lost some training camp competitions). Even if she was the only gymnast to beat biles. That is still not anywhere near good enough of a reason to give her honorable mentions as best American female gymnasts of all time over those I mentioned and many others.