Quote of the day from Peter, "... and that's all there is to it!". Thanks for showing us what's involved in modifying these inserts, because the work you do never ceases to amaze me (I'm not a machinist).
I don't see many CNC tool & cutter work on youtube I always learn something from your videos, thank you for doing these, i'm in the trade for 40 years.
Genuinely one of the most impressive machinists there is making content. There’s few that hold a candle to you. AvE is more broadened but super smart and just as entertaining and smart as you are. I’ve loved your vids and hope you don’t stop
Did you ever do this same thing on your wireEDM? That is how we do it, not having a cnc cutter grinder, only manual ones. Thanks for your time and effort on these videos.
Yes when I had the wire EDM I cut many lathe Inserts. I even made custom spade drill tips. That I later finished on the grinder. I don't really have any proof of this. But some how I think aa ground cutting edge is better then a EDM one. But both will work.
@@EdgePrecision we have tested wired, ground and coated form inserts vs just wire cut insert blanks and their wasn’t as much of a difference as we thought in tool life. Insert cost being ground then coated wasn’t worth it for this customer. They have used the wired blanks for years now. This was in a high production automotive powdered metal application. Could be way different in other applications. Just figured you may find it interesting
I remember asking you about this on a previous video, now I see what you mean by grinding a lathe insert like it was a single flute form tool. Thanks for sharing.
V nice peter, back in 77 i started my time in a tool room, I was shown how to use the manual cutter grinder, you know the little finger that runs along the flute single handle cutting wheel. I did a lot one day then collage the next..the day after collage there were 4 boxes of end mills...soon go sick of them lol
Thanks for blessing us again with new machinining stuff. Please always continue to make videos to share with us and reading our comments! I wish can meet some of your past co workers that can share some stories of what is was like working with you.
Hi Peter, Get yourself some Latex gloves if you are allergic to the coolant. I have no idea how you keep track of all the offsets for these grinding operations. Having to think in reverse for some ops and figure the other offsets as you do the grinding, my mind is boggled. I know you have been doing this for a long while but ......... Kudos man.
It doesn't seem to bother my hands. But if I get this oil on my shirt. Then it sets against my skin for any length of time. That can be a problem. As for gloves. I can't stand to work in them.
Winterthur: "Winterthur is a Swiss city northeast of Zurich, near the German border", says Auntie Wiki. Means, German speaking area of Switzerland (although Swiss German is not very intelligible for an average German), thus Vin-ter-t-hoo-e. (Winter is German for... "winter", who'd ever thought... ;-)
I love all the toolgrinding videos! Thanks for sharing, Interesting how you get the grinder to do things the software is only kinda made to do. Are you happy with the 360 camera?
Yes I like it for a general view type of thing, because you don't have to pay attention to your framing of the shot. Providing you place the camera in the correct position to capture everything. You can then do all that in post editing. It also does something different then any camera I have used. You can see it in this video. Look carefully at the inset shots of the dry grinding. The camera is mounted on the B axis with a mag base. When the machine moves away to reposition the wheel for grinding the back width. The B axis is rotating in this move. But you don't see it in the shot. You remember the clip I made of the tool change in the Mazak? When the Shifter take the tool from the tool magazine to the carrier it rotates 180 and then from the tool change arm it rotates another 180 degrees. But the image remains with its vertical framing it doesn't rotate. Even with a GoPro you can start this would require post editing to accomplish. So bottom line this camera is good for thing where you would normally have to stop and move the camera a lot of for taking general vloging type of video. The invisible selfie stick thing is really amazing. You can get almost drone like shots. But for close up detail not so good. You are filming in 5.7 K but you are only using a small portion of it for your shot framing. Its kind of like using digital zoom. Its not that bad for general video recording. In fact this is the only camera I take when I go to Mexico now. Between it and my phone I can do everything. I haven't done any timelaps recordings yet. But I think it could be good for that. Just maybe hang the camera from the ceiling and let it run then edit it later to get what you want. Yes I like this camera. You do need their editing app but it is free if you own a camera.
@@EdgePrecision Aftter reading you reply i think your you tube days maybe are over. Im sure not many people understand this video. I am paying hour having a bd day like everone does. Love and like you Peter. Yes im being harsh, but with the best intention ever. So hope im Wrong. Love to you both.
What does this comment even mean? Are you referring to what I said about this camera to Stefan? Or this video in general? {I am paying hour having a bd day like everone does.} What exactly does this mean? If you want to criticize, and believe me I don't mind criticism. I have to understand it, if it is to be constructive. As you imply in the last part of your comment.
Hey Peter, I came to your channel because of your Making A Chess Set video I am a cabinet /furniture maker by trade and have been playing chess for 50+ years , I haven't seen coffee chess but am a sub to Lichess if you are familiar with them.I grew up working in the refineries and for Fish engineering in Houston as a instrument fitter back in the 80's so I still find this stuff very interesting thanks for posting.
No I have never seen his channel. I went there a subscribed. But if you like the game you should watch Coffee Chess the have the world class chess players come and play their normal crew. Also It can be entertaining as well.
Thank you for the video on this, tool grinding is not something I've seen much of in my work. I do have a question though, why not use the B axis to tip a standard 2mm groover and cut the v form from 2 approaches? Certainly would take a test piece to get the offsets dialed in but it seems like less hassle than this.
The B axis is where the grinding wheel is mounted on. The A axis is where the insert is mounted with my special shank on this machine. The software is figuring out all the angles by positioning the grinding wheel's center height and the angle of the A axis to get the angles I specified in the program. There are different ways it can do this. I don't in this program have it doing a full 5 axis type of grinding/positioning I have restricted it to a constant angle on the B axis. This machine can do much more elaborate movements. But for this simple grind it isn't really necessary. I'm not really understanding what you are referring to by using a standard 2mm groover and tipping the B axis. If you are referring to the machining of the actual groove in the part. It is being done on a standard lathe that has no B axis. If you are referring to the grinding. I am doing this the easiest way possible on this machine. But maybe I'm not really understanding what you mean?
For this simple shaped insert it is just a triangular shapped pocket. For more complex shaped inserts. First I look on the manufactures web site. Many of them have solid models of their tools nowadays for the purpose of cam simulations. In that case I download their model and modify it or use the model of the insert. To make a new model of my tool. For instance Iscar has solid models of their inserts. Just download the model and subtract it from your model. Then a few more edits for endmill clearance in the corners and you have your insert pocket. That simple. You do have to consider the proper positioning of the insert for the clearance cutting angles of course, on your tool.
I take it the customer mandated the use of a ground insert? I loosely understand the programming and the grinding but not the motivation. ...or is the insert simply the product?
Yes that is possible. When I had my wire EDM I did many lathe form tools and special inserts. I even roughed out special carbide spade drill tips. That I later finished on the grinder. You of course need a 4 axis wire EDM. I don't have any practical data on this but I feel that a ground cutting edge is better than a EDM'd cutting edge. But as I say I haven't tested this.
Mist coolant systems have their place in situations of open equipment. But that type of coolant is not as good as flood and high pressure flood coolant systems. Also there are the problems of the mist in the air and associated possible health issues using mist systems on open equipment. Thus requiring mist collection systems around the shop to gather the mist out of the air. In a shop I worked in that had 20 Bridgeport manual mills all working with mist coolant this became a real problem that eventually required these mist collectors to be installed in that shop. So the short answer. No I would not be replacing flood coolant for mist coolant.
EIA Side on mazak . i cant can't find anything on the web that shows that side of the control, only mazatrol mazatrol ..i would be happy if you could make a short video.. 1) how to select the eia/iso side,,, 2) tool table,, 3) offset zero point. ? .are there 2 tool tables or what 1 for mazatrol and 1 for eia/iso ??
On my machine there are. It depends on how old old your machine is. On the earlier Mazatrol controls to be able to run EIA was an option. So if your machine is old enough it may not have the option to run G code programs.
It's very interesting but I decided to left machining life to make money in other area. Nowadays start a machining shop is self-destruction in my view. Good luck for those who continues in this area.
This is what I think. If you want to make a sure sustainable living. You need to put yourself in a position of what is needed. Now this could be supply your own needs. Live off grid. Or---if not that, then you have to ask yourself. What will people always need. Not luxuries, things people can do without, if they have to. Now what falls into that category. Food, Medical, Energy are a few. In order to even those and many others. You have to build the things/machinery to do them. So until someone invents a Star Trek type of replicator, the world will always need machinists. This recent pandemic was a perfect example. Who were the people that got to work and who didn't or even lost their jobs? So yes it is work and not easy but if you can put yourself in the right place you will always make aa living any ware in the world.
Manual machinist for over 35 years.... I'm 55 now, but still love a good challenge...... Tell me it can't be done and I'll prove you wrong!!..... That's the shit I live for!!.... Do what you need to do, to get the job done!!
This is a special oil specially for grinding carbide. I started with a oil called carbo grind it was a fantastic grinding oil. Thin like water. But it was more irritating to me than this oil.
Quote of the day from Peter, "... and that's all there is to it!".
Thanks for showing us what's involved in modifying these inserts, because the work you do never ceases to amaze me (I'm not a machinist).
I don't see many CNC tool & cutter work on youtube I always learn something from your videos, thank you for doing these, i'm in the trade for 40 years.
Genuinely one of the most impressive machinists there is making content. There’s few that hold a candle to you. AvE is more broadened but super smart and just as entertaining and smart as you are. I’ve loved your vids and hope you don’t stop
Did you ever do this same thing on your wireEDM? That is how we do it, not having a cnc cutter grinder, only manual ones. Thanks for your time and effort on these videos.
Yes when I had the wire EDM I cut many lathe Inserts. I even made custom spade drill tips. That I later finished on the grinder. I don't really have any proof of this. But some how I think aa ground cutting edge is better then a EDM one. But both will work.
@@EdgePrecision we have tested wired, ground and coated form inserts vs just wire cut insert blanks and their wasn’t as much of a difference as we thought in tool life. Insert cost being ground then coated wasn’t worth it for this customer. They have used the wired blanks for years now. This was in a high production automotive powdered metal application. Could be way different in other applications. Just figured you may find it interesting
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Hey, Peter thanks for posting! I really love to see your grinding videos. It really helps me get insight on tools!
I remember asking you about this on a previous video, now I see what you mean by grinding a lathe insert like it was a single flute form tool. Thanks for sharing.
V nice peter, back in 77 i started my time in a tool room, I was shown how to use the manual cutter grinder, you know the little finger that runs along the flute single handle cutting wheel.
I did a lot one day then collage the next..the day after collage there were 4 boxes of end mills...soon go sick of them lol
Thanks for blessing us again with new machinining stuff. Please always continue to make videos to share with us and reading our comments! I wish can meet some of your past co workers that can share some stories of what is was like working with you.
I always enjoy seeing the tooling building.
Hi Peter, Get yourself some Latex gloves if you are allergic to the coolant. I have no idea how you keep track of all the offsets for these grinding operations. Having to think in reverse for some ops and figure the other offsets as you do the grinding, my mind is boggled. I know you have been doing this for a long while but ......... Kudos man.
It doesn't seem to bother my hands. But if I get this oil on my shirt. Then it sets against my skin for any length of time. That can be a problem. As for gloves. I can't stand to work in them.
very good video peter,,thanks for your time
Winterthur: "Winterthur is a Swiss city northeast of Zurich, near the German border", says Auntie Wiki. Means, German speaking area of Switzerland (although Swiss German is not very intelligible for an average German), thus Vin-ter-t-hoo-e. (Winter is German for... "winter", who'd ever thought... ;-)
I love all the toolgrinding videos! Thanks for sharing, Interesting how you get the grinder to do things the software is only kinda made to do.
Are you happy with the 360 camera?
Yes I like it for a general view type of thing, because you don't have to pay attention to your framing of the shot. Providing you place the camera in the correct position to capture everything. You can then do all that in post editing. It also does something different then any camera I have used. You can see it in this video. Look carefully at the inset shots of the dry grinding. The camera is mounted on the B axis with a mag base. When the machine moves away to reposition the wheel for grinding the back width. The B axis is rotating in this move. But you don't see it in the shot. You remember the clip I made of the tool change in the Mazak? When the Shifter take the tool from the tool magazine to the carrier it rotates 180 and then from the tool change arm it rotates another 180 degrees. But the image remains with its vertical framing it doesn't rotate. Even with a GoPro you can start this would require post editing to accomplish. So bottom line this camera is good for thing where you would normally have to stop and move the camera a lot of for taking general vloging type of video. The invisible selfie stick thing is really amazing. You can get almost drone like shots. But for close up detail not so good. You are filming in 5.7 K but you are only using a small portion of it for your shot framing. Its kind of like using digital zoom. Its not that bad for general video recording. In fact this is the only camera I take when I go to Mexico now. Between it and my phone I can do everything. I haven't done any timelaps recordings yet. But I think it could be good for that. Just maybe hang the camera from the ceiling and let it run then edit it later to get what you want. Yes I like this camera. You do need their editing app but it is free if you own a camera.
@@EdgePrecision Thanks a lot for the meticulous answer! I migth look into getting one for the wide-shots in the shop :)
@@EdgePrecision Aftter reading you reply i think your you tube days maybe are over. Im sure not many people understand this video. I am paying hour having a bd day like everone does.
Love and like you Peter. Yes im being harsh, but with the best intention ever. So hope im Wrong. Love to you both.
What does this comment even mean? Are you referring to what I said about this camera to Stefan? Or this video in general? {I am paying hour having a bd day like everone does.} What exactly does this mean? If you want to criticize, and believe me I don't mind criticism. I have to understand it, if it is to be constructive. As you imply in the last part of your comment.
great vid peter!
Hey Peter, I came to your channel because of your Making A Chess Set video I am a cabinet /furniture maker by trade and have been playing chess for 50+ years , I haven't seen coffee chess but am a sub to Lichess if you are familiar with them.I grew up working in the refineries and for Fish engineering in Houston as a instrument fitter back in the 80's so I still find this stuff very interesting thanks for posting.
No I have never seen his channel. I went there a subscribed. But if you like the game you should watch Coffee Chess the have the world class chess players come and play their normal crew. Also It can be entertaining as well.
@@EdgePrecision Lichess is a web application, in the browser, not a channel
@@danielmclellan7762 It is also a UA-cam channel. Do a search on YUA-cam. They have 449 videos posted.
@@EdgePrecision dude, it's a website with a UA-cam channel, rather than a UA-camr that has a website. Precision in all the things
360 camera makes good shots
dayum!
Thank you for the video on this, tool grinding is not something I've seen much of in my work. I do have a question though, why not use the B axis to tip a standard 2mm groover and cut the v form from 2 approaches? Certainly would take a test piece to get the offsets dialed in but it seems like less hassle than this.
The B axis is where the grinding wheel is mounted on. The A axis is where the insert is mounted with my special shank on this machine. The software is figuring out all the angles by positioning the grinding wheel's center height and the angle of the A axis to get the angles I specified in the program. There are different ways it can do this. I don't in this program have it doing a full 5 axis type of grinding/positioning I have restricted it to a constant angle on the B axis. This machine can do much more elaborate movements. But for this simple grind it isn't really necessary. I'm not really understanding what you are referring to by using a standard 2mm groover and tipping the B axis. If you are referring to the machining of the actual groove in the part. It is being done on a standard lathe that has no B axis. If you are referring to the grinding. I am doing this the easiest way possible on this machine. But maybe I'm not really understanding what you mean?
@@EdgePrecision you answered my question. I was referring to tipping the B axis of your Integrex, but now I see why you're grinding an insert.
hi peter, try achiote on your hands if allergic to oils,we use that here in chiapas mex.for oils allergics ask your wife about achiote
My hands seem to be OK. But on anywhere else this oil gives me a rash. Thank's I will check into this.
360 cam is Sweet
Ohh Peter
Hi how do you get the geometry for the holder? Is it like for like for the manufacturer pocket or just straight walled simple version?
For this simple shaped insert it is just a triangular shapped pocket. For more complex shaped inserts. First I look on the manufactures web site. Many of them have solid models of their tools nowadays for the purpose of cam simulations. In that case I download their model and modify it or use the model of the insert. To make a new model of my tool. For instance Iscar has solid models of their inserts. Just download the model and subtract it from your model. Then a few more edits for endmill clearance in the corners and you have your insert pocket. That simple. You do have to consider the proper positioning of the insert for the clearance cutting angles of course, on your tool.
I take it the customer mandated the use of a ground insert? I loosely understand the programming and the grinding but not the motivation.
...or is the insert simply the product?
Hello, Peter. That do you think to do this tool using wireEDM ?
Yes that is possible. When I had my wire EDM I did many lathe form tools and special inserts. I even roughed out special carbide spade drill tips. That I later finished on the grinder. You of course need a 4 axis wire EDM. I don't have any practical data on this but I feel that a ground cutting edge is better than a EDM'd cutting edge. But as I say I haven't tested this.
Videos like this make me wish I could get into machining.
go for it i started young at 17 now 21 couldn't be happier but work your way up
@@notAsterix I can't take the pay cut to switch and start as an apprentice
Please take me on your field for growing me. I'm Korean... Loooooool
Every time I see a tool grinder video on this channel: (-8
I noticed a video about turning and he was using air and fluid as a mist to cool the tip, have you any thoughts about using that? John
Are you asking if that would be acceptable for this kind of grinding?
@@EdgePrecision no could you use it for most your work? John
Mist coolant systems have their place in situations of open equipment. But that type of coolant is not as good as flood and high pressure flood coolant systems. Also there are the problems of the mist in the air and associated possible health issues using mist systems on open equipment. Thus requiring mist collection systems around the shop to gather the mist out of the air. In a shop I worked in that had 20 Bridgeport manual mills all working with mist coolant this became a real problem that eventually required these mist collectors to be installed in that shop. So the short answer. No I would not be replacing flood coolant for mist coolant.
No, seen it used but hardly looks enough, thank's for your video's always learning !!
Wintertour.
EIA Side on mazak . i cant can't find anything on the web that shows that side of the control, only mazatrol mazatrol ..i would be happy if you could make a short video.. 1) how to select the eia/iso side,,, 2) tool table,, 3) offset zero point. ? .are there 2 tool tables or what 1 for mazatrol and 1 for eia/iso ??
On my machine there are. It depends on how old old your machine is. On the earlier Mazatrol controls to be able to run EIA was an option. So if your machine is old enough it may not have the option to run G code programs.
Здравствуйте, Вы классный специалист! Как Вы создали модель для пластины для NUMROTO?
Спасибо! Что вы имеете в виду под тарелкой для Нумрото? Может гугл не правильно перевел?
Я имею ввиду приспособление в котором Вы обрабатывали твердосплавну пласину.
ХОРОШО. Я смоделировал его в своей программе САПР SpaceClaim. Затем обработал его на Mazak Integrex.
Спасибо за ответ!
It's very interesting but I decided to left machining life to make money in other area. Nowadays start a machining shop is self-destruction in my view. Good luck for those who continues in this area.
This is what I think. If you want to make a sure sustainable living. You need to put yourself in a position of what is needed. Now this could be supply your own needs. Live off grid. Or---if not that, then you have to ask yourself. What will people always need. Not luxuries, things people can do without, if they have to. Now what falls into that category. Food, Medical, Energy are a few. In order to even those and many others. You have to build the things/machinery to do them. So until someone invents a Star Trek type of replicator, the world will always need machinists. This recent pandemic was a perfect example. Who were the people that got to work and who didn't or even lost their jobs? So yes it is work and not easy but if you can put yourself in the right place you will always make aa living any ware in the world.
Manual machinist for over 35 years.... I'm 55 now, but still love a good challenge...... Tell me it can't be done and I'll prove you wrong!!..... That's the shit I live for!!.... Do what you need to do, to get the job done!!
We switched to blaser swisslube. No more breakouts.
This is a special oil specially for grinding carbide. I started with a oil called carbo grind it was a fantastic grinding oil. Thin like water. But it was more irritating to me than this oil.
Why not use a P Horn insert? 312.0010.20
Not my decision. I just grind the tool.
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