Final Fantasy 16 The Rising Tide DLC - Leviathan Boss Fight & Ending (FF Mode Difficulty)
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
- Final Fantasy 16 The Rising Tide DLC Hard Mode Difficulty - Ifrit vs Leviathan Boss Fight and Ending
#ff16 #finalfantasy16 #leviathan
All Gameplay played, recorded & edited by me.
0:00 Phase 1
6:48 Phase 2
11:52 Phase 3
14:16 Phase 4
20:45 Ending
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For people stuck in phase 3 on FF mode:
- start off with fire beam right away (get CD back asap)
- charge brimstone always into red range
- use melee combo 4 x square then 2 times triangle
- rush in with wildfire after pushback
- use skills on CD obv
I’m guessing you’re fighting him in FF mode. I did too and am currently stuck in his 3rd phase. I don’t find this section enjoyable (the other Eikons have the same mechanic, but none gave me trouble like him).
I’m do open with the ranged fire beam and then close up to use melee, but the fire beam takes too long to recharge.
Not a fan of this segment of the fight at all
@@alanbruce480 Yeah the Spitflare takes way too long to recharge. The guy in the video is doing a really good job of using it strategically. He got it when the timer was at one. I would have as well but both of my charge attacks were not ready and I failed. And one thing he is doing that I didn't notice was charging Brimstone to the red. I was doing it to the yellow and not getting as much damage.
@@alanbruce480same I’m stuck on third phase rn and have been for an hour
@@rokellcYeah I'm doing the same, taking the skill to the yellow segment, maybe that's why I'm not doing enough dps, I get really close but can't get it done. I'll try doing it on red next time, must be that.
Yea the Spitflare attack at the start and doing the certain combo attacks came in clutch this phase was the only phase i was stuck on for almost an hour smh
We all knew Soken would be sneaking "Through the Maelstrom" in this boss fight. It was only a matter of WHEN he'd use it.
And I had a huge crying fit when it finally came on.
What's also interesting is that the song comes on during the barrier phase, which looks very similar to the elemental conversion barrier you use in XIV to protect you from Levi's ultimate.
And it was timed perfectly. The barrier phase is the hardest bit of this boss fight, and that piece of music perfectly communicates the sense of urgency at stopping Leviathan from releasing the Tsunami.
phase 3 is an absolute crime against humanity, what the actual fuck
There isn’t a check point inbetween 3 and 4 either, you die on 4 you start back at 3 ;-;
Phase 4 Is almost at as mad. 😅
@@kspraveen86 I had to switch to story focused just to beat Leviathan due to how tough it was in between 3 and 4.
i need 4x runs to finish him on normal difficulty.^^ yes its hard...if you miss one of your attacks, you fail...i think they should patch it.
@@kaos6809 At least the eikon you get for finishing the DLC is worth it.
I cannot believe FFXVI, the game I love with all of my heart and never had any issues with its difficulty, finally made me raged for a good 30 mins. Honestly, FUCK this fight. Leviathan might be my favorite summon/eikon and gotten it from a quiz to pretend I was the Leviathan Dominant, but MY GOD THE DPS CHECK ON THIS IS INSANE EVEN ON ACTION FOCUSED. I HAD TO SWITCH TO STORY MODE TO DO A BIT MORE DPS! WTF YOSHIDA, WERE YOU UPSET THAT PEOPLE CALLED FFXVI EASY??!
OMG THE DPS CHECK MADE ME SO MAD IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO FIGURE OUT I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW I DID IT ANYMORE I THINK I ERASED IT FROM MY MEMORY BECAUSE OF THE TRAUMA I SAT THERE STARING AT MY ABILITIES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAXIMIZE MY MF DMG AND EVENTUALLY IT ALL WORKED OUT LOL
I was on Final Fantasy mode and it took me at least 20 tries to break thay barrier.
The pretending to be leviathan's dominant part is so real
It took me one try to get through the tsunami DPS check, and holy fuck did I cut it close. Then waterspout yeeted me back
I've been on final fantasy mode for the past 6 months so it was the only way I could play this dlc. And now I can't finish it. I'll probably never be able to.
Waljas is super cute but MAN he threw one eikonic tantrum
I wanted to face palm but the tantrum it's was pretty massive
Sheesh! That's putting it mildly 😂
Well to be fair getting stuck in time will do that
@@pablothecoffeelover2551...... true but sheesh what's going to happen if the kid gets upset again?
Clive teaching us how to calm a baby eikon, by beating the shit out of him with hellfire! What an amazing fight, easily in my top experience gaming moments ❤
Not just one hellfire but 2
second one right in the kisser 🤣 @@Yozora765
Oh shit the theme's based on the reveal trailer!! I fucking loved that song!!
Me too i waited for this music since the reveal trailer. And i am very happy thats its finally out!
I like the fact that from the dialogues during Leviathan fight, Clive as Ifrit is like a older sibling to Levi. Such as the instance when Levi made a huge Watersprout Clive replied that Garuda would be proud about it lol.
But yeah, at this point of time Clive is already too powerful for Leviathan to beat. I wonder how powerful this Leviathan is in comparison to other boss Eikons, minus the power up forms after consuming the ether from Mother Crystal that is.
Well judging by the devastating attacks it can throw out i'd say maybe..Titan Lost level? I would say Bahamet *sorry if i spelled the name wrong* but that's maybe being a but too considerate
Out of the main elemental eikons ( so bahamut / Odin excluded ) I’d argue he’s the absolute strongest. Unfortunately Clive already had a perfect grasp on Ifrit at this point unfortunately which didn’t help.
@@lsaacthecraftsman so You're saying is..Essentially Leviathan is the strongest Eikon?
(Excluding Bahamut and Odin and possibly Ifrit)
I saw this fight as Clive having a second chance at saving Joshua. The parallels were obvious.
@@groundpounde Yeah, at least around Titan’s level
Welp time to rank the eikon fights:
1. Bahamut - Because it's in space.
2. Titan - Feels like an asura vs wyzen fight.
3. Ultima - It's the same thing as bahamut but the dragon did it first.
4. Levi - The background is astonishing.
5. Odin - Even though I wish we have an eikon fight but the sword fight is still cool.
6. Typhon - Feeling like an asuras wrath gameplay.
7. Garuda - It's like that godzilla ps4 gameplay.
8: ifrit vs phoenix - Giving you the feeling for the upcoming bosses to have visual presentation.
BONUS: Time keeper - I'm thinking this is the closest thing to ever fighting shiva as an eikon.
You forgot Omega
Back ground on levi ? Yeahhh your tastes are questionable levi is number 1 lol
I just call Timekeeper for what it is Shivalry (get it if you look at World of Final Fantasy its the male Shiva)
@@shadownight9956Yeah he’s definitely the best kaiju fight mechanically
Alexander: eh that's fine. I'll just stay in my bubble
14:55 is when the awakening OST begins! FINALLY!
The Phase 3 music 🤣 you can take Soken out of XIV, but you can't take XIV out of Soken.
Ifrit steaming away a “God Damned Tsunami.” 😎
FINALLY GOT HIM!! Thanks for the vid, bro!
Hardest boss in the game, and extremely fun one.
The music really does its job making you feel badass while fighting for your life from this bosses spam
If you think this was a fun fight, especially phase 3, then ur a masochist
@@deansnipah1392 phase 3 is super fun. you just have to jump and use wild dash
even harder than ultima LMAO
Funny how the toughest eikon fight is from a baby. Speaking of which, I have a feeling based on Leviathan's abilities, I think Waljas will become an archer when he grows up.
There are no archers in that world
@Somehuy77-kp4rz Well, considering Clive succeeds in removing magic from Valisthea at the end of the game, he might as well become an archer.
With no crystals and magic, there would be the need for range fighters XD
Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby
Guess the title of “Lord of The Whorl” wasn’t just for show. 🙃
The song was very good And it’s a baby is dominant of water leviathan lol😂
How the ACTUAL FUCK are you supposed to dodge maelstrom and riptide? What the fuck am I supposed to do?!
You can evade riptide but maelstrom you gotta jump and use wildfire in the air to minimize the damage fam
@WeezyOuttaHereII Thanks! I just watched another video where I saw him jump to evade both. I WAS actually gonna try jumping but I rage quit before I could 😂😭 tomorrow now!
Fam no lie I found something better. Hit him with the spitflare when he does maelstrom. It won’t affect you.
@@WeezyOuttaHereII Charged or regular?
brimstone completely negates maelstroms damage i saved it for maelstrom and didnt use it for anything else
Amazing fight! Thank you!
When the coughing baby IS the hydrogen bomb
14:30 i waited for this music since the reveal trailer of FFXVI. I am so happy that its finally out! Soken rly cooked hard with this one too.
12:00
Im getting super frustrated with this fuckin phase😡
They destroyed the whole fights with that stupid shield.
Phase 1 is majestic
Stuck at phase 3 after 22 attempts… watching cutscenes it is than instead of finishing it
Try to use the Ring if it is to much.
Yeah, I barely beat it with half a second left. Awful phase imo
@@CojaGamezlol same
Did Spitfire exactly at the One count.
Bruh I died so many times on phase 3 😭😭😭 leviathan does mad damage for real
He doessssss I’m so glad that this boss fight as well as time keeper are so hard. On FF mode they are no joke. Such a fun challenge.
You can do it I finally made it!
It's not that he does mad damage, it's that they made Ifrit a complete weakling and let Leviathan keep flinging you across the map, in addition to it a being a timer sequence
Wow they added the new ost ❤
This fight was tough yet amazing. FF16 has the best boss fights in any game I’ve ever played
Thank you, PS5, you endured the SFXs like a champ.
For real, the game runs and looks like garbage on performance mode (the game looks great graphically) but the res and fps... wonder If it's too much to handle or is it bad optimization
@@GeoAlex1 Wasn't my experience. Maybe not a stable 60fps but surely not garbage.
And honestly I have no idea how they could optimize all that
@@BruttiF27 For an exclusive game it doesn't deliver a solid experience like the rest of playstation studios, even quality mode doesn't look as sharp as most Ps5 exclusives in performance mode
@@GeoAlex1 I was more focused on the story and the gameplay. I liked it.
@@BruttiF27 It's a beautiful game, has its downsides, but still a pretty game
Thanks bro this video helped me a lot finally beat him with 2 hp
Just finished playing this fight. What an amazing battle. Ill never forget the feeling. One of my top gaming highlights
Leviathan can easily beat Ultima. The whole fight took me over 1.5 hours. This was worse than the final phase of Sephiroth fight in FF7 rebirth
Bought this earlier today and literally just finished it a few minutes ago. Literally blown away, phase 3 got me like 4 times by a couple more hits I couldn't believe he really hit that tsunami wave no fucks given
I love the comments here complaining about Phase 3's DPS check being hard. Like, the devs clearly wanted to challenge the player this time. And oh boy, they delivered. You have literally no room for error at that part.
I got one final fire beam off as the tsunami countdown hit one to get past phase three. Thanks for the tips!
Knockback 2
Countdown.
He kill me
I dont get it
Im in the same boat as you
Try to use the Ring if it is to hard.
@cloudxz92 what ring? I'm stuck in phase 3
Leviathan 🔱😌❤️
Came to find a way around waterspout and even the video just tanks it.... lovely
lol same here. Died there about 10 times already and do not see a way to evade or run from it. I guess the game just expects you to have enough heals at this point.
Run around it. Don't stop until you see Leviathan standing still casting watersprout.
@@hipere00that's what I did I was like ok nope and just wild dashed around it LOL i was honestly shocked that it worked tbh 🤣
You need to spam wildfire and make sure you’re going backwards as well as right from it. You should narrowly avoid it
Just dash around it by holding circle
Such a good fight ngl took me 2 tries to figure out the dps check but other then that mechs where great
How about new outfits?
Nice that they used FFXIV leviathan theme
DPS check was brutal. Start with fire beam right away and you may be able to land the 3rd one in the end just in time.
Meanwhile, other than obviously going ham on it, when you get pushed far away and have to dodge those water bullets, dodge forward so you get closer quicker and salvage a couple seconds.
Just watched phase 3, MELOO dodges forward lol . Just follow the video guys!
Well, this DLC answers 1 thing in my school vr game: it explains 1 thing that Ifrit returns and has been buffed beyond recognition. (Seriously in the game, he has been absent for 29 chapters and outside of Chapter 35 Cinders of Coral, was referred to as the monster of inferno by Vaggie If you ask her as Loona)
What?
Wonder how The Water Tribes from Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra, would react to this level of Water-Bending. 😜
If they could learn and copy from this guy, they would've won the war, no avatar needed
Probably worship Leviathan as The Spirit of the Water
Run as far as they can.
Real talk though, that sounds like an interesting tale
Imagine a Dominant of Leviathan being born to one of the water tribes?
Nightmare fuel
For the other nations
@@NovaVor4380: Yue would have definitely been a Dominant of Leviathan. Just like King Bumi a Dominant of Titan, The Guardian of Omashu, formerly known as Drake’s Fang. 😉
why does the shield phase like YU GI OH theme track from Yami?
damn this finnisher looks so cool HOOOOLLLLYYY
I GRILLED THE FISH AFTER HE GRILLED ME..
shield phase took me 2 hours xD
love and enjoyed the dlc. thx squeare & everyone who worked on the project.
my fav FF game all time
The final phase is insanely difficult, but really sells the idea of this whole fight.
This isn't an epic battle against a bad person, it's Clive desperately trying to calm down a baby throwing a massive tantrum.
And if you consider Leviathan's massive power, throwing at you 5 ultimate attacks one after the other is his perfect idea of tantrum.
This was probably one of the cooler fights in the game and it really pushed my shit in on FF mode. Phase 3 was a bit rough for sure for some reason
Wow, Ifrit fighting Leviathan in the middle of the ocean and still manage to win. Plot armor.
...
Thats my mentality too. Dont care if ifrit is the poster child of this game. You fought your elemental weakness in their home turf. You lose thats it. Just BEING in water should be killing ifrit lol
@@theanimer1i have this theory that he won because the dominant is a baby maybe?
@@theanimer1I guess u never played the game then.
@@theanimer1My Ifrit definitely didn’t have plot armor in FF mode lol, I died like 8 times during this fight
I’ve been stuck on phase 3 I just can’t seem to get my big attacks changed when I need them. Any suggestions?
use all rings of timely whatever... they helped me a lot!!!
I thought I wouldn’t get past P3 but through a lot of trial & error i finally did but barely..
The reason why I play RPGs in the first place is because I’m bad at racing & time trials.. I’m now stuck in what appears to be the last phase.. Gonna beat him if it kills me!!
Gotta use Spitfire immediately when the fight begins and whenever it's ready immediately, use Brimstone with good timings, and just pray lol
I beat it with literally one second remaining on the countdown on FF mode.
@@JohnDoe-pt7ru Daniel la Russo “Don’t you think this is a little extreme sir”
“Extreme situations require extreme measures” Terry Silver
What level were you? Does it influence Ifrit damages?
No, your char stat doesn't matter in Eikon fight
The water spout and the rings are actully easy to evade the water spout use sprint to get to the side of this thing and the rings jump and then sprint in the air to the point with no rings and i need to say the phase with the shield was so frickin hard
I cant beat Phase 3 and landed here because i wondered if there is a Trick. I Do 45k damage per single punch instead of 75 and even in this Video you barely break the countdown... always game over for me, what is this 😭
Skill issue + lack of understanding game mechanics deep as a puddle, lol
This fight is so weird. The perception for some of Leviathans attacks (especially in the first phase) it’s so hard to tell how and when to dodge. And the water attacks in phase 4 I still can’t see WHATS hitting me and when to dodge. The water makes it confusing when he hits and when he doesn’t. Also the fights kinda a drag all around, he does the same moves over n over, your given just enough time to get in a combo, rinse repeat. I was hoping for something akin to the Omega or Titan fight
Finally the music from the reveal trailer
29:40 Rasengan
This makes FF15's Leviathan fight look like some kind of mini boss fight made in the old version of Fortnite creative mode.
yet both are still nothing more than interactive cutscenes
Eh FF15 still has better art direction than this crap
nah, going supersayian against a huge monster was way more epic than a gimmiky kaiju fight that drags on for too long. Sokens music is the only thing thay sells this. And 15 was almost 10 year ago.
correction,,,7 years ago.
I think ya all smoking some shit if ya think ff15 leviathan boss epic, it was the most dumbest fight and boring as fuck, and easy as fuck, u literally can't die in that fight, spamming the same shit
Interactive cutscenes in games are when the player needs to follow a sequence of QTEs. When you start dodging, healing, and attacking that is actual gameplay. The only time XV and XVI have interactive cutscenes in their Leviathan fights is during transition and finisher. When it comes to art direction, I definitely like the conceptual contrast that is present in XV, where it's a harmony of medieval and futurist themes. But... I'm not really a fan of a boy band lead beating an eikon.
For people getting hit by waterspout or mechanics that you don’t want to dodge, JUST HOLD BRIMSTONE… it’s a perfect defense
Just wanted to comment that it took me 9 tries for phase 3 barrier, 2 trows for phase 4, then 3 tries for that water spout bs (run to the right non stop till you see leviathan still) and then ps5 turned off because it was too HOT
How do you escape Angry Seas? It won't let me dodge or anything.
Time your dodges for when the water rings are spaced out
Jump and dodge when the rings are coming
I find this way easier
This is already out??
Nah this footage is from the future
What's that red circle I can't break the buble
cool
Man phase 3 is f’in impossible 🤬🤬
How to do Backdrift finish?
Playing FF mode and can't get past phase 3 😭
Finished the boss after seeing the video. Aside from the dps, decent difficulty
You know that Leviathan boss fight in 16 is Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby taken to the logical conclusion.
The Ultimate Bar Lodos
I’m stuck on phase 3 because the water rises up before I can break his shield!!!
Use spitflare the second phase 3 starts. Then use wildfire to get to leviathan ASAP use brimstone and spam the Square Square Square Triangle combo. Do the same thing until the phase is done. Make sure you are using spit flare as soon as it is available. If you do that, you can use it three times
Thank you for this video!!! OMG that final battle was intense! And I thought when I went through the Echoes of the Fallen DLC would be hard! The last boss, the Omaga was annoying, but I beat it on my first try. The phase 3 of this fight was so unfair!!!! I tried over 10 times to make it to the 4th phase of the fight which I died once! Now, finally I can go finish up the side quests for this DLC and go beat the main game!
its my idea or the song in phase 4 just says
RISING TIDE
in the background voice
Help, why the hell can i beat him. I have done it so many times already. Every time i destroy his defense wall, he brings the tsunami out and kills me no cut scene
this is the hardest fight in the game
Theee Toughest Eikon I ever faced...Respect Leviathan 🫱🏿🫲🏻💯
I really like this Dlc but this fight is just frustrating (on hard mode). If you don't do exactly what is done in this video, you will lose. And it takes way too long, especially if you have to try 10, 20 times for each phase 😩
i am running out of time in phase 3 help me to pass it
Same I don’t have enough time to break the barrier before the tidal wave, I don’t know if I’m timing wrong the breath and the other attack
My thumbs hurt 😢
Yeah same issue for me too.
Soon as the fight starts immediately use spiteflare, constantly attack and dodge. Use spiteflare anytime it’s ready to use.
@@TLiebCNV I have did this I can't use for third time I am running out of time I just use this ability for two times any help?
I just finished the fight, and for that phase, dodging whenever Leviathan attacks and using counter shot, using spitfire and brimstone whenever you can, and using combos with fireball bursts was enough to do the trick. It came down to the wire though, so you'll have to be fast about it.
I'm already ready to get my medal of valor for levthithen
Completed Leviathan on ff difficulty in 5 attempts
Well, ive been on final fantasy mode at level 105 for the past 6 months, so i sure as hell wasn't going back to my action mode save when the dlc came out.
On FF mode this is impossible, and it's the only way i can play it. I think i will never be able to beat this game now. The fuk
This fight reminds me of beisht from genshin impact
I finally passed phase 3 after being body bagged by this infant multiple times.
I’ve failed that DPS check now 75 times. Had to finally just give up and say I guess won’t be finishing this DLC sadly
“Open your Heart” by Crush 40 fits this scenario a little TOO well 😂
If the ending didn’t change, what happens to Shula’s village and that wave when Clive gets rid of all magic?
People just accepted that Clive was just crippled by the calcified arm and found his way back home to Jill and everyone
@Jimjim192 I think it's pretty implied that Clive died unfortunately. Between the visual metaphors with the red moon going out, Jill crying, and such. But that's what's great about the ending. You could think Clive is alive and you wouldn't be wrong. It's left ambiguous for that reason I suppose.
The wave was made entirely by magic so it goes away too
@reeverfalls2069 Yeah it's purely down to interpretation I'm just stating what is usually the popular opinion I personally am an optimist and think he's kicking and he's the one who wrote the book at the end of the story but again who knows
@Jimjim192 true, that's one of the cool things about the ending. You can take it either way. I'm kind of cynical so in my mind Clive dies lol. I hope he is still alive though.
So if Clive removed magic from the world at the end of the game, wouldn’t that mean the spell holding the tidal wave broke and then everyone in Mysidia died? Kinda a big plot hole I guess
Did what you said for phase and still failed. 😢
Such a tough fight but sooooo satisfying. Dare i say, one of my favorite boss fights ever?
I’m guessing 3 spitflares is needed to win the 3rd phase
What’s with all the “just tank it and heal” attacks?? This fight really brought down the hype of this dlc for me
All of Levi’s attacks are avoidable, including Waterspoutz
I think I’m too low level. I’m level 90. Done everything in this video and can’t get it down like this. Also, my countdown starts before the one in this video.
I was lvl 90 and it took me way more tries than i even wanna think about. Here's what I did: immediately use spitflare & move in on him. Getting off as many bursts as you can is ideal (hitting square a few times and then triangle will set off the burst but it's honestly annoying cause ifrit plays like a mf dark souls character) and then you actually wanna precision dodge and let attacks almost land instead of move out of them completely so you can get that extra counter DMG in. Other than that just pray. YOU CANNOT GET HIT BY ANYTHING IT IS AN IMMEDIATE LOSS, YOU GET HIT BY ANYTHING EVEN ONCE AND YOU'VE FAILED, IT'S SO ANNOYING IDK MAYBE IM WRONG BUT LOSING PRECIOUS SECONDS TO HAVING TO GET UP AGAIN MEANS YOU'RE NOT DOING DMG. Jumping helps with mobility & makes him move just a bit faster imo or maybe it was a mental thing for me idk lol THAT'S ALL I GOT, GOOD LUCK EVERYONE
Of course anytime your abilities come up, use them
Wow amazing
I am level 87 final fnatsy mode for some reason he hits tusnami every time phase 3
Same.
Same anyone solution?
Got the dlc 100% this morning solution for this boss is use combos to faster charge both attack good luck guys
Make sure to use your cooldowns as soon as they are able. Remember the combo 3x square 2x triangle. If you see „backdraft finish” after a combo you’re doing it right. More points if you do it in the air. After he pushes you away use wildfire to get back, don’t waste the precious seconds. Good luck!
@@xLudovic Make sure to use your cooldowns as soon as they are able. Remember the combo 3x square 2x triangle. If you see „backdraft finish” after a combo you’re doing it right. More points if you do it in the air. After he pushes you away use wildfire to get back, don’t waste the precious seconds. Good luck!
Bro have bigger size than Titan is really something (not Titan lost)
how the fk can we avoid waterspout
Dash to the side (and a bit to the back just to be safe)
I give up try to dodge it. Just tank it with 6 stacks of healing item lol
Does the dlc affect the Base ending?
Yes
Wait there's a new ending?
Nope everything stays the same
@@alessandromolino3242 when you fight ultima you got the leviathan powers
@@sedlyholmes3722Nope, I just fought Ultima again. Nothing changed
Can someone find the boss music that starts here 7:12
I’m level 89 I think I’m just to under level for the fight
I wouldn't say I like this fight. Breaking his shield is the most stressful thing yet.
i see everyone raging about phase 3 and my god it's so funny cause i am awful as ifrit and well, if you wanna learn how to effectively force yourself to learn ifrit and play as him that's the way to do it 🤡
Part 3 is frustrating as helllllll
Esta pelea es un insulto contra la inteligencia
So was this before the final battle or after?
It seems before
Obviously before
Timing on Phase 3 is too tight… got it last second on like the 10th try, way too hard compared to anything else in the game