VOTH: Cultural Index
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- The Voth are not related to us in any way shape or form. (they totally are)
This index is completely factually inaccurate and formed on baseless speculation. (well...i try not to much.)
The Voth are the best race in star trek. (Nah)
I am not on the Ministry of Elders list. (I hope)
That is all. (I'm being made to write this by unsettled dinosaur-people send halp, k thxbye)
This is the Cultural Index a series aimed at exploring various Science-Fiction species.
For outsiders to a series to get to know the basics and maybe even hardened Sci-fi nuts might discover something new.
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I think the Voyager writers just liked the idea of dinosaurs digging up human bones.
I also like how their resultant image of a human is entirely unlike an actual human (blue skin, three fingers). Possibly a jab at how paleontologists could be wrong about what dinosaurs actually looked like.
@@artembentsionov Excellent observation!
@@artembentsionov Or they were just poking fun at Cameron's Avatar. Blue skin, 3 fingers.
poop jeans that episode premiered in 1997, 12 years before Avatar
This and the TNG episode where Riker is revealed to be an alien on another planet might be my favorite examples of subversive experiences like that.
Reason number 999 why star fleet need to keep some old bullet throwing rifles on the ships
Yup! Just like on Stargate!
Yep! Worked pretty well on the holodeck (safety protocols removed) against the Borg on the Enterprise E.
Some early 21st century M4 carbines with M203 launchers should definitely be in armory. Crude by 24th century standards but no less effective.
@@kenneth6731 ua-cam.com/video/NjlCVW_ouL8/v-deo.html
your name is stupid XD
I was just thinking that regular gun would take these guys out....lol
Do that race from Voyager that was trapped on a planet that was Chrono sped up. They should be the most advanced species in that entire universe in short time
I was thinking that! Wouldn't they only need a few weeks to completely surpass the entire federation?
@@Monochromicornicopia something must come along and wipe the planet. Because if the planet is 2 billion years old then that planet should be shitting out billions of advance races. Or at least a few thousand. But something comes along and kill them off
@@cliff9092 or they are so out of shift compared to the rest of the galaxie that they cant really leave the planet and die out because they use up all usefull resources?
@@mbos14 they probably just evolve themselves beyond the need for those physical resources
That would explain why *we* experience time dilation if we are such type planet. I mean if they live and stay away a day a much longer time has passed so, why leave?
Still thought this was one of the coolest concepts on Star Trek. I wish this episode would have been a two part that dug deeper into the history of the Voth.
Oh absolutely
Yeah, would be nice. But based on their 20 MY History, it would be at least a spin-off series necessary to cover at least a bigger fraction of it xD
The eath is very old ,who knows what life has come and gone over the eons.
One of best episodes, especially one of rare few told mostly NOT from main crew perspective.
Agreed! a race voyager should've explored moreso i reckon. Besides the Borg they're one of the few Star Trek races with; Transwarp technology! They had so much untapped potential for Star Trek, alas we've yet to see them again though.
There's a fairly common theory that scientific development does not continue exponentially as it does today forever. It may very well be that at some point, there's so many "brick walls" that further development is only marginally possible. Aside from their culture, this could be a valid explanation why the Voth - and indeed most old species we find in Star Trek - do only have "refined" versions of technology and seem to progress much slower than the Federation currently does. They are just at that point where Technology more or less stagnates and only grows in scale and refinement. Breakthroughs might still happen, but they'd be much further apart.
Personally, I like to believe that the Voth are still a mostly nomadic species and exist all throughout the Galaxy in sparse enclaves. Their structured culture and experience might very well be a good reason for them to not form a coherent empire: They've seen those rise and fall countless times. Instead, they are content with existing alongside the machinations of an ever changing galaxy, whilst their culture, in all its different iterations, remains untouched
I like ur theory. In track terms they're like marathon runners. I think they're bad ass.
@Ganda Gandara That’s for political and economic reasons.
Maybe they’re like the Race in Worldwar. Old but deliberately slow to develop. Stability may be more important to them than the risk of new discoveries upending the social order.
On contemporary earth this is the case. The 1st world or economically developed societies like the USA, EU or Australia are slower on GDP growth than the 3rd world or developing countries which are playing catch up. Japan caught up between 1950-90 with the West, then stagnated. China will do the same.
@Ganda Gandara It's Less we don't have the Technology. It's more most people just see no reason to do so. They just see it as a Giant Rock Floating in Space. It's why they'd rather we go to Mars.
Humans (Systems Alliance)
system's alliance could be fun. as for species you could look into maybe the cylons.
Certifiably Ingame do this please
ON A VOTH SHIP DARK HELMET IS ALWAYS SURROUNDED BY ASSHOLES.
Why would you label philosophy as a scientific subject? Philosophy couldn't be less scientific
I found the voth doctrine to be a great analog to anti science groups.
I found the episode with the Voth to be reminiscent of Galileo and the inquisition that imprisoned him. Only difference is that the religious doctrine can't destroy the evidence in the form of the sun, moon, planets, and stars. And they couldn't destroy gravity, either. But the Voth can certainly attempt to destroy humans that come from earth, but in the end, they're just fooling themselves. Starfleet would render them a species unworthy of joining the Federation, due to their doctrine.
Liberals?
@@Joeykm1972 Galileo was a devout Christian all his life.
I found it to be a ham-fisted bit of ideological bigotry on the part of the writers.
@@MaskedMan66 And so was the Scientist's belief about the Voth's origins. that's why the parallel.
Another intelligent species from Earth: The Silurians.
Silurians? Are those the "dinos" from Earth in the show "ABOVE AND BEYOND"? That was good show.
Nah, Doctor Who.
I always get these two mixed up lol
Telling the voth they’re earthlings is like telling the Scottish they’re more British than England they ain’t gonna like it despite it been true
Guardians (Vanguard)
VOTH MEET HOTH, the ice planet that hates exo-therms.
The Monster Plants from Lost in Space. If you're not sure watch the episode I'm sure that you will love it, especialy the Dr Smith part in it.
Guardians of Destiny
Why would you label philosophy as a scientific subject? Philosophy couldn't be less scientific
@@Monochromicornicopia you are aware science used to be known as natural philosophy right
One of the most interesting species in Star Trek franchise, they deserved more than an episode.
For the hell of it the Voth should have had a humanoid T-Rex security guard.
Tyrannosaurus Flex.
@@CertifiablyIngame T-Rex might not be smart enough to work as a proper guard
In Star Trek Online... they have uhh.. They do have T-Rexes.
.... With laser beams. Yes. On their heads.
Aaw. A lost child. "What lost child?"
What no Triceratops?! 🤪
1:07 That’s an Exodus Colony Ship from Destiny 1’s Cosmodrome!
Great video on the Voth, who always fascinated me because of their culture and dinosaur origins.
I wonder if the Voth had any interactions with the Iconians, back in the day.
Depends how long it took the Voth to get to the Delta Quadrant. They may have stopped along the way
Who know might be voth destroyed iconia
Technically, 66 million years ago our solar system may well have been in the Delta quadrant as it does orbit the central black hole. All the Milkyway's star orbit the central black hole Sagitarius A*. Earth is technically just inside the Beta quadrant next to the Alpha quadrant's bprder. The other side of the Beta quadrant lies the Delta quadrant.And the Gamma quadrant lies on the other side of the Alpha quadrant.
Perhaps the Voth had several civil wars in their pasts, which can have consequences to tech development.
Maybe they've even had their version of "The Dark Ages", where they had massive setbacks.
Enderman_of_D00M but war generally enhances the speed of technological development. Just look at WW2 and atomic energy
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Not that this counts towards anything canon, but there was a TOS novel - First Frontier - I think it was - with a very Voth-like race that decided it didn't like the mass extinction of aeons past, and so time travel. They stayed the dominant species, but then learned that they were caught in a 'Canticle For Leibowitz' situation. Their natural aggression kept causing repeated apocalyptic wars that would drive them back to primordial savagery, rebuilding only to end up dumb beasts yet again.
With twenty million years under their belt, maybe the Voth had several cultural resets that their doctrine keeps them from even realizing occurred.
Rob Morris hmm such situations could happen in 20 mil years and yeah that would make sense to keep them back... fair enough I suppose
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Though WW3 will set us back to the stone age
@@phillipharrison886 oh definitely my opinion of war has changed massively over the time since I made that comment
Considering the technological superiority and arrogance of the Voth, it's fortunate for Starfleet and humanity that they dismissed the distant origins theory. Imagine if they examined the evidence and accepted that they did come from earth, and they wanted it back.
A Voth armada drops out of transwarp above earth, all Federation technology stops working, and the population along with ships buildings, stations ect, is beamed away to giant cargo holds, and then dropped off in another system far away, assuming that transwarp beaming isn't a thing for the Voth.
But it's also a double-edge sword for the Voth because if they found out that they came from Earth, they would not only attempt to take Earth back, but it could also cause catastrophic tension between the doctrine and the people they lied too. They'd wage war against each other.
This is one of the best written episodes in the series.
Classic Voyager, is Distant Origin.
With 20 million years of recorded history, why stay in the Delta quadrant ? Why not expand into the entire Milky Way, or even interstellar space and other galaxies ? They had the time to do so .
We know so very little about the Voth that is more than possible that other city ships have gone off to explore other parts of the galaxy or other galaxies. They could have hundreds, thousands of such vessels out there exploring the universe.
He didn't say this but it was implied in the episode: I want to point out the a larger brain doesn't equal more intelligence. Dolphins have larger brains than we do but they're not more intelligent.
Humans can be pretty stupid. Dolphins, Pigs and some Dogs very smart. Just don't mention the thumbs.
Thanks for the fish.
That's what the dolphins WANT you to think, ;)
Women have smaller brains than men, but their brains are more efficient.
How do you know? Typical Sapian arrogance when we assume our superiority to an animal who swam the ocean when our ancestors first walked upright.
I think the Voth need a bit of reworking. If they're descended from dinosaurs then they'd actually have to be warm-blooded.
Depends which kind of Dinosaurs they descended from. Current theories are that there was a large variation of metabolisms among different dinosaur lineages based on the growth rates calculated from their fossils.
I understand these species motivations a lot better after watching your videos.
Have the Voth dealt with the Borg?
Perhaps the Borg know that they are no match for Voth technology and decided early on to avoid them.
In the background during Scorpion, a Voth is seen as a drone.
In the game Star Trek Online - during one of the PvE missions - there is a massive Voth "Fortress" Ship, larger than the entirety of the Borg HQ itself. Spanning at 134.5 kilometers. Suggesting that the Voth may have no singular new home planet, but rather - like the Covenant in Halo - have a massive nomadic city ship, or ships, capable of warp travel.
Seven of Nine also states during this mission that the Voth "Have designed a ship particularly for fighting Borg." during the missions objective to protect Cooperative and freed Borg ships from the Collective, Voth and subsequent Undine. Seeing these Borg Killer Frigates in action as they launch indestructible, slow moving, shielded - likely transphasic - torpedos means that the Voth probably have, or have had the means of evading and or fighting off the Borg effectively for a while.
While this is all Non-canon, it does show a unique side to the Voth in the games.
@@kamieaston3016 The fun thing about trek is it's ALL cannon. It's just a questinon of 'which universe it's cannon to.' Yes I'm still salty over FASA's trek tabletop rights being revoked.
STO makes it clear that the Voth have held off the Borg for a long time, but the Borg are starting to adapt and the Voth are looking for a new edge.
hmm given what knowledge we have gained into dinosaur biology since the early 2000s, i think it's safe to say that them being ectotherms will be retconned in any future star trek material featuring them as it is very likely that the hadrosaurid family were endotherms like modern birds and therapods of the era, the only dinosaur group suspected of being ectotherms now are the saurpods due to their massive sizes generating a lot of heat naturally (through digestion etc)
What you wrote.
Mid 90's actually, and een then the concept of birds being a branching line of dinosaurs was around. Still, it wasn't widely believed tht they were ectotherms. Hard to say really. So many species and we don't have living biology to look at, just bones and impressions. It's a miracle we have figured out what we have.
I'm think about the Klingons ;)
Given that they lived on ships presumably for so long, they may have modified themselves to be ectotherms to limit their food needs. Their ships have power to spare, but even their titanic city ships wouldn't be enough space to make enough food for a growing endothermic race, some members of which get nearly the size of hadrosaurs of old, according to STO.
I mean, they went with the popular view of Galileo's controversy (which largely ignores the political and scientific rivalry aspects in favor of an oversimplified "religion vs. science" narrative), so should we be surprised that they also went with a popular perception of dinosaurs that may not be perfectly accurate either?
The Voth were another good ideal, poorly fleshed out. They should have been more like the Vorlan from Babylon 5, an ultra-advanced species with almost God-like technology.
eh they kinda were, its just trek tech is so godly already the voth tech's massively increased scale on existing tech didn't seem so impressive. Also most of what we encountered was a couple researchers probably scrambling and scraping together nearly obsolete equipment from whatever grant money they can get their hands on, we never see a voth military vessel for example.
@@ishill85 with tech levels like the Voth have there would be no lack of vessels for whatever purpose. Although it might come down to a status thing.
The Voth are descendants of escaped Silurians. They're dinosaurs on space ships! 😉
I think those Preservers took a bunch of Dinosaurs from Earth before the extinction event.
That's what I think, too. There's no way they got off Earth on their own.
Have you notice how much the Voth look like the Gorn that Kirk fought.
I absolutely love Alien Species Lores thank you so much for making them a realty sir! 🙂👍
Technically the doctor is a Holodeck computer too lol
It's funny they look down on endotherms considering the dinosaur family of reptiles was probably mesothermic and the dinosaurs that survived the K-Pg extinction turned into the warm blooded birds indicating that at the time of that extinction event many if not all branches of dinosaurs were heading in that direction; they pretty much all had proto-feathers at that point which helps to regulate temperature. Skeletal analysis suggests dinosaurs were simply too active to be purely cold-blooded. It had to be a mix, or endothermic.
Something I just thought of right now is, if the Voth had the Tech to leave Earth how did they not have the Tech to stop a meteoroid strike?
Because stopping a several mile wide asteroid is more technically difficult than a few ships achieving escape velocity, even if they are powered by fusion. It really depends on the time thw voth had to prepare.
Maybe they never saw it coming and it was only the Voth already in space who survived.
We now know it wasn't just a meteoroid strike that killed off the dinosaurs, the Dinosaurs also face many other crisis at the same time, such as a period of instability in the earth crush that led to many volcanoes going off.
Maybe the Talaxians if you're doing a star trek race again anytime soon.
It looks like voth city ships are much larger on the inside. It looks like you could easily fit the entire ship inside itself.
If you think about it, the doctrine that the Voth have and the system of government is similar to that of many of Earth's Human cultures. This includes the Roman Catholic Church especially in the 1400s to 1600s during the reformation, the pre-imperialism isolationist China and Japan, and many modern anti-western Islamic cultures. .... Plus speaking of Star Trek Online, since the Federation and other Alpha and Beta quadrant powers are rapidly becoming more equal to the Voth, it would be cool if there was a bones episode in which there was in outbreak of a genetic disease that was fatal to the Voth and they could not cure it. The only way it could be cure is with a vaccine that only a life form from the same home world could cure it (that being humans) proving the biological connection and sparking a schism similar to the Protestant Reformation. It just a idea but a fascinating one.
Occultatum Quaestio That is a wonderful Trek story idea. It's too bad that good ideas are a no no in official Trek , beginning with the JJ era !
Very interesting in the modern era they also very much resemble Israel. Like 1to1.
@tylerx2f01 All of the past Trek shows and present Disco ACCEPT open scripts. You do not have to have an agent but you still have to fill out a form along with your submission idea.
@@funzjag All of the past Trek shows and present Disco ACCEPT open scripts. You do not have to have an agent but you still have to fill out a form along with your submission idea.
I like it, I like it a lot. The best part is that the conflict wouldn't center around the Starfleet characters at all. There's not a captain in Starfleet (Lorca doesn't count) that wouldn't jump at the opportunity to help, but the Voth would damn near have a civil war over the fact.
Imagine the Voth city ships against the Borg.
I think the Voth are on city ships because of the borg. What better way to avoid assimilation than being able to transwarp a huge population and your advanced tech out of harms' way, with the aid of advanced power dampening and cloaking tech. The Voth would be very difficult to assimilate. As soon as a cube appears it suffers power fluctuations, and is unable to determine why.
Would be 2 interesting opponents, but I bet on the Borg in that conflict. And for reason: The Borg are used to constant fighting. The Voth on the other end are too arrogant in their beliefs in their advantage, like the UFP was before Q "introduced" them to the Borg! We have to admit: Q was right, the UFP had no clue what is out there. The Voth are self-righteous about themselves and are slow to adapt to new things.
The outcome of the conflict is uncertain, but it breaks down to one thing: Does the Borg have one technology, which helps them against the energy dampening techniques? We donno that for sure, since the Borg keep assimilating other species over and over. If the answer is "yes", then... well, the voth are fucked! Because their stunning needles won't bother the Borg, and their whole other strength is on intimidating others with "interrogating surgery", which would be an amusement park to which what Borg endured when they turned into Borg, despite they don't fear anything. I guess their culture will be... how do Borg say that, oh yeah: "... We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile." Would be interesting to see dinosaur drones.
On the other side, if the Borg are not able to adapt against the energy dampening techniques, the Borg are fucked. Without the energy that powers their ships, they are defenseless, and as we've seen from seven of nine: The cortical core regulates many of their body functions of their implants, without it a little bit of shaking and soon the death of the drone. If they shut that one's down, it's an easy win for the voth.
On the long run, i would count on the Borg and there we have a major conflict in the Voyager Plot which i don't understand: On one side they were about to be extincted against Species 8472, since like the pointed out "The Borg don't and can't understand what they can't assimilate" right? SO how does that match to what we've seen when Seven of Nine have been recaptured and had a conversation with the Borg Queen, analyzing a species they are about to assimilate?! You can't tell me that is a change in behavior, since the queen existed for sure before they encountered Species 8472. And in that dialogue, they analyzed a species which they encountered: The Humans of the Sol System, and their fail to assimilate them
The 25-million year claim would almost certainly be a lie. It's extremely improbable that a culture could maintain a cohesive history over that span a time.
just thinking about bit rot
An yet they did it. Which is remarkable themselves. But only a faction of that history is probably known in great detail.
Definitely not the Silurians. Nope. No Silurians here...
I think a reason of why there tech could be not so much in front of the human tech, could be that there is just a upper limit how far u can push things before the laws of physics limit you.
Seen in the development of pc components today. They get better. But not at the speed of the 90s or 2000s
You gotta remember that DNA was inserted into life throughout the Galaxy from one super advanced species (why so many species are humanoids in star trek and even medically similar while their ancestors look nothing alike), so reptiles turning into humanoids doesnt seem too far fetched
How have the Voth dealt with the Borg? That's got me wondering.
Borg took notice to AVOID dealing with Voth and Q.
Why would they? A single assimilated Voth ship would give them a wealth of new tech.
The Borg started the war with species 8472, I'm sure they'd engage the Voth if they could. They've fought other advanced Delta Quadrant species e.g. The multilingual species from Season 4 whose name escapes me, they had slipspace technology.
@@artembentsionov That if the nano probes could assimilate a voth ship, the voth ship could have defences against such attacks. Also the voth could just switch off the Borg like they switch off Voyager.
@@rarevhsuploads4995 There is a mystery with that race. They clearly slipstream drive, so why did their species stay near Borg space, why didn't they simply all fly off to some back water.
Great video! Babylon 5 cultures please.
If you do Babylon 5 gotta go big right from the start. Vorlons and Shadows
Yeah do the Vorlons or Centauri or something!
NEGATIVE WE ARE THE STAR TREK FANS, ALL YOUR FRANCHISE WILL BE ASSMILATED. WE WILL ADD YOUR SPECIES AND CULTURES TO THE STAR TREK UNIVERSE. YOUR IP'S WILL SERVICE OURS, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
Who are you?
What do you want?
Will you cover any species that are exclusively from books or just from electronic media because "The Race" from Harry Turtledove's Worldwar series may be an interesting topic.
Truth.
Can I have some ginger?
I wonder how advanced they would be if not for doctrine during those 20 million years. The voth city ship and the time ship were some of the most impressive vessels in the voyager storyline.
Considering that the Voth live so close to Borg Space, how would they view the Borg? And how would they keep the Borg form assimilating their technology?
I could imagine they simply did a Data and turn the Borg off, just like they could turn Voyager off.
That's how
Even the dinosaurs had religious kooks who claimed to have all the answers.
Instead of a silly time travel or mirror universe or worse Q based film I would have loved to have seen a film in Nememis wherein the Voth had accepted Earth was their home and returned to reclaim it!
The Voth would be a target for the Borg - due to their technological and biological distinctiveness, but "Star Trek" is not know for consistency - especially not "Voyager".
The Borg would quickly learn not to engage the Voth
Will you ever go back and view races/cultures that were proposed through vote but didn't win?
The paleo-loving part of me shuddered at the mistakes made in this episode. Eeryops was an amphibean, not a reptile. Hadrasaurs were not the brightest. They did not have grasping hands. The front appendages often had a hoofed appearance. Aw hell, who cares? It was a fun episode.
Zentradi (SDF Macross Robotech) and peacekeepers please.
zentradi vs, the federation lol poor federation !
notice how the star trek always gives it's advanced alien beings cumbersome oven mitt hands.
sure voths, lets see yalls play a piano or a guitar.
A limitation of prosthetic technology in the '90s
@@TauridBorn Also ties into the budget, why spend a lot on a one off alien, so make them cheap and quick, if it was a movie or they were main cast then chances are they would have normal hands.
It would be really cool, if you would take on a more "obscure" sci-fi, like Babylon 5 and Farcsape. Just like with games, it would give some flavor. To already pretty well-seasoned mixup.
Maciek K. Cichoń history of Scorpius would be great!
Yeah as well as Anime like Macross (not Robotech) would be cool too.
Q Dog
Oh, that's for the Templin Dossier! Or some colab!
Maciek K. Cichoń well he could do the Zentradi as they have no culture.
Also, would you consider an add-on to this video which discusses the new technologies shown in Star Trek Online? It is considered soft-canon. Technologies like the new City Ships, Animal Control Circuitry, Power Armor and Battle Mechs, etc...
Star Trek starfleet technology is outdated compared to the vort indeed.
Imperium of man from warhammer 40k alien view in future.
i dont know a whole lot about star trek lore but wouldnt the humans have had help from the vulcans in the start? and later they would discover new technology in damaged or captured ships... perhaps the voth didnt have those opportunities?
"Maybe their slow pace of development is linked to their very nature as ectotherms"
I see you rooting for mammalian animals/species Rick 🖤
Entirely possible, and if they live for hundreds of years like some reptiles on earth, why rush?
"Some omnipotent being" is probably out, at least if you're hinting at Q since he sort of denies this in his little debate with Spock.
I would really love to see a video on the Husnock.
RIP Husnock: you were a bunch of assholes and you got what you deserved, but it would have been fun to know you...
I would be interesting to see them deal with the Borg.
I wonder how they'd react to the Gorn.
I wonder what an encounter with the borg and the Voth would look like
ok, storylines like this are why Voyager was a good show. some of the stuff is bad, real bad but then they come through with this
Would've been cool to see them show up acknowledging the Earth connection and defending it against the Xindi.
The Voth’s superiority complex against ectotherms makes me wonder: If future humans (or in this case, Starfleet) made First Contact with an insectoid species, would our familiarity with tiny primitive insects on Earth give _us_ a sense of innate superiority against this new race, regardless of their potential in cultural & technological advancements?
Hm, Starship Troopers comes to mind..
A 20 million years old culture. They should be gods basically
Perhaps this is why Q is so wary of the progress of humankind, with species like the Voth out there remaining stagnant for millions of years and maybe many others stuck in cultural dead-ends as far as the Q is concerned. I can imagine Q throwing his hands up at the mention of the Voth, going *Pah!*.
Who with out smug the other in a first contact scenario, the Voth meets the Dominion and If war breaks out who will win.
The Dominion were only slightly ahead of the Federation. The voth would simply switch their ships off like they could with Voyager. So the Voth would win, easily.
Voth culture, with the doctrine at least is similar to the Imperium of Man in how they can be such an advanced race technologically but practically ban technological innovation and use an apprenticeship like structure similar to the Imperium's guilds. That said I'm not very familiar with the WH40K at all and am probably least familiar with the delta quadrant stuff out of all the Star Trek lore (Voyager's cast got on my nerves when I tried watching it).
They are stagnant, because the Doctrine and no NEED to expand. With exception of Q, than can easily take on EVERYBODY. In W40k stagnation was not choice, but result and machines were barely understood.
I kind of wish Voyager would have had more interaction with the evolved things maybe an alliance against the Borg would have been a good show or two or a dozen but we've been nice to bring them home so to speak
They do in Star Trek online
Anyone else like the idea that the Voth could be alternate universe counterparts to the Silurians of Doctor Who? Unless I'm mistaken and had heard it somewhere else I think it was the 1980s fanfic "The Doctor and the Enterprise" serialized in several fanzines that postulated that the planet "Vulcan" from the power of the Daleks was actually the Doctor Who Universe counterpart to the same planet from Trek only in that Universe the Vulcans never embraced logic and destroyed themselves but in the Star Trek universe Gallifrey either destroyed themselves or never invented time travel explaining the differences between the universes but connecting them and I've always kind of liked that idea myself.
Before I forget, I vote for the Systems Alliance.
You say that but you didn't vote at all. Go up and hit the "like"/"thumbs up" button under "Humans (Systems Alliance)" if you want to actually vote.
Got it. Thanks.
The remind me of the believed history of conflicts between scientists and the church doctrines on scientific matters during the Renaissance era
Uhh.....the Sol system was in Delta Quadrant between 60 and 20 million years ago. Its drifted into what we call the Alpha Quadrant only recently, last 10 million years or so. So based on stellar mechanics the Voth homeworld may have at one time been the closest M class planet to Earth at that time they left.
Chakotay could have simply requested that the Voth transport Voyager 30,000 light years closer to Earth. That way Voyager can depart faster which is what the Voth want. The Voth's transwarp capabilities could have put Voyager far nearer to Earth (and thus further from Voth space).
The one thing I find missing is, "Why haven't the Borg assimilated them as that would truly lean towards their goals of perfection would it not?" And yet another question is, "Where is the Dominion in all of this as they are in the Delta quadrant too, correct?"
No the Dominion is from the Gamma Quadrant.
Also quadrants are big, like really really big
Thanks for answering my question, through thanks to something UA-cam does doesn't let me know that someone replied to any of my questions, I just saw these replies today, lol.@@DavidKnowles0
Thanks for answering my questions, and note it's UA-cam's fault in my answering so late as I had no idea someone relied to my comment until today.@@ThomasstevenSlater
Actually, if the Voth took up facts, they would be the oldest race in existence. Remember that even the iconians and Tkon were less than 500 thousand years old. The voth went interstellar 65 million years ago, which means they are likely the oldest living species in every quadrant. It also would mean that humans are technically their children, and would make them responsible for humanity. More than that, it would mean that they're likely going to return to Earth at some point, as it is by definition, their homeworld. Infact, discovery might use that as a plot point in the next season. Resolving the burn, and having the voth fleets arrive in Sol, forcing humans to live alongside them, as vulcans have been forced to live alongside the Romulans. This could possibly happen due to the burn having a negative effect on their way of life, negative enough to force them to return home and re-strategize. I think that would be a very cool storyline, a Voth/Human reunion 65 million years late.
I'd love to see a story where the Voth learn the truth about their real origins and the ruling power gets dethroned and exiled for holding back the truth for so long.
They are a testament to the superiority of us Terran life forms. :D
I've an idea for a cultural index, though I'm not sure how to title it. How about this: "Sentient Energy Life Forms" like the "Companion" in the episode "Metamorphosis", or Organians (Errand of Mercy), Nagilum (Where Silence has Lease).
Great work - do the Both have superior tech to the Borg we wonder?
Speaking of which, have you covered Silurians from Doctor Who? More ancient earth reptiles
I wish we could see more of the voth. I really liked them.
Basically they're slightly less campy Silurians much like the Borg are slightly less campy Cybermen.
Yeah I read it: More interested in the New Frontier crossover with 4 after this little exchange
"Cmdr Soleta: And who's this gentleman
Seven of Nine: This is the Doctor
Soleta: No I've met the Doctor he's an odd creature with huge teeth, bad hair and a worse dress sense, who is this?"
Just imagining slightly less campy daleks.
Wish we'd seen more Voth and less Kaazon. Much less Kaazon.
If the Voth finds their rights in the idea of ‘first’, what would stop them from saying ‘we have right to earth’ and then conquering it?
In all their 20M years, they have not been assimilated by the Borg?
Could you imagine what would happen if the Voth were assimilated by the Borg?
System Alliance
In this corner with excessive arrogance is the Voth and in this corner the Borg. Get ready to assimilate !!!
pak'ma'ra! Or really anything from Bab 5 but I personally quite like the pak'ma'ra.
Snow White and the Seven Pak'ma'ra.....
The wonders of technology...
I always presume that this was just the Voth taking it easy on Voyager, an that their tech is way more advance that what was shown in the episode. I could imagine they had more way more advance cloaking tech than what those civilians had.
What about the Silurians / Sea Devils from Dr. Who?
Silurians comes from the Silurian Period, the geological age that predeceased the Devonian Age, where the animals started colonizing the land. Funny enough, Tetrapods, the ancestors of amphibians, mammals, reptiles, and birds, didn't evolve until the Devonian.
Go into hibernation when overly stressed so they’re shit in war
remember these were just civilians.
David Knowles this is the only time I’ve seen the voth I haven’t seen voyager
@@sorcererberoll4641 well now you know, this one was a inexperience biologists, who panic when their phasing tech stopped working.
My pet theory is Voths nonsentient ancestors were abducted and uplifted in space.
Is it just me or their history shares a common theme with the Primortals...?
I would love to have seen their reactions if they ever came to Earth and found out the they are (in a since) related to humans