The FAA Made A Decision On My Case
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- The FAA made a decision on my case. Here is how the process.
For my new pilot friends,
Pilot deviation refers to any action or behavior by a pilot that violates the rules and regulations set forth by aviation authorities. These violations can range from minor infractions, such as failing to follow an assigned altitude or heading, to more serious violations, such as flying into restricted airspace or ignoring air traffic control instructions.
Pilot deviation can result in significant safety risks to both the pilot and other aircraft in the vicinity, and can also lead to disciplinary action and potential legal consequences. As such, it is important for pilots to receive proper training and to always adhere to established procedures and regulations in order to ensure the safety of all those involved in aviation operations.
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My background is 20 yr AF fighters, 19 years Delta Airlines.
I was a CFII for a lot of years. This is what I do -
Flight plan around the Bravo.
Look up & write down the primary & backup freq's for CLT approach.
Use the moving map to know FOR CERTAIN you remain clear the Class B.
You call CLT approach… do not rely on Flight Following to do it.
Before entering make certain you hear those magic words -
“661 Mike Bravo, cleared into the Bravo.” You MUST hear those exact words.
And of course, don’t wait until the last moment to call them.
But you know all that now. : ) Fly safe. Appreciate your videos.
Excellent advice, have a “plan B” in case you do not receive a Class B clearance!
Here would be my advice: If your flight plan absolutely must take you through a class bravo, just file IFR. Otherwise, just plan to go around (or over or under) it if you're VFR. In mojo's case if you look at his flight path he could have easily gone around the bravo to the east. You can still try to get cleared through if you want to, but don't plan on it. Looks like the common route around the bravo is 247 nm (via chesterfield VOR) instead of 245 nm for direct. No excuse to bust a bravo IMO in this case. edit: its not worth the trouble he went through to potentially save 2 nm
He didnt hear those words and pulled up in consequence, the plan B was executed, which is what is being discussed.
Ok....sure.
Of course, another option is to be on an IFR flight plan. In that case, you don't need to hear the magic words as you're always flying a route cleared by ATC.
Mike, you are the kind of pilot that evaluates their experiences and looks for improvement opportunities. You are doing it right. THANK YOU for sharing.
I enjoy that you turned a stressful personal event into a teachable moment and made sure to acknowledge that both the pilot and the FAA officials are human.
The FAA is most certainly not human. Lol
The FAA is staffed with lizard people, nobody else could've come up with the current process for medical evaluations, especially pertaining to mental health and medications.
@@acewings221 FAA oficials are
@@rubenjanssen1672 keep telling yourself that lmao
@@acewings221 I sure hope you don't work for any airline I work for
You are a man of integrity. It is often not the easy to live your life that lifestyle and maybe even uncomfortable. Thank you for striving to live out your life worthy of being a student of the smartest person who ever breathed a breath of air, and needed to learn from others. Fly high, and soar like an eagle.
To the question, "Why would you tell on yourself?" ...because you are a Leader! And Leaders selflessly use their own experience to educate others. Thank you for 'Manning Up' to help everyone else. My hat's off to you, Sir!
With anything in life, if you mess up, it's better to tell whomever is in charge before they find out on their own or are told a version of the story by someone else. Any time I screw up, I immediately go to my boss and lay out what I did, how I fixed/am going to fix it, and what I'm going to do in the future to avoid the same mistake.
More importantly, this would have been a terrible situation to try to lie or hide in. He had flight following, and he was flying through a Bravo. Absolutely everything they needed was on record, so he couldn't hide anything from them. Alternatively, he could have lied and tried to pass the blame onto equipment, but since he was flying VFR, he would have been responsible anyway. Even if he could manage to convince them that his equipment malfunctioned and showed him outside the Bravo, the books say that you should not be flying close enough to controlled airspace that inaccuracies in your equipment or theirs may call into question whether you were in our out of the airspace. If their equipment says you are in the airspace, it doesn't matter what your equipment says.
Given that there was no way out of this by keeping quiet or by lying, the best outcome comes from telling the truth.
@@PinkFloyd102489 If you mess up, 'fess up! Especially in the aviation industry.
FAA Operations Inspectors (ASI'a) (like me) are pilots, too and we are part of the aviation community. Many of us fly regularly and are part of flying clubs, war-bird demonstrations, flight schools outside our districts, or fly small jets part 91. The Compliance Action Program which your Inspector offered you is for those individuals who cooperate in the investigation process as we try to determine what went wrong to create this deviation. Our goal is to bring pilots back into compliance, but as you noted, you willingly and honestly evaluated your performance and you sincerely wanted to correct/re-learn what you needed for safety. We love dealing with pilots like yourself! It makes it so easy for us. I would much rather assign a couple of WINGS courses to you than open an EIR (enforcement investigation) to take action against your certificate. Good job! I hope a lot of pilots see this and determine for themselves that we just want you all to be safe and smart pilots. So long, and may every landing be a happy one!!
Thank you for sharing. Gives some comfort for those of us starting out. We're a bit terrified to make mistakes.
Love the transparency man. 👍🏼👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 It probably looks good to the FAA too. It couldn't be any clearer that you're taking this seriously, probably more than many would. That's actually the stuff that matters most. Glad everything worked out for you. Stay safe.
As a non-pilot, I still appreciate the time you take to explain important points in every video. I live a couple hours from your Winston location and would like to stop in some day to see your business if that is permitted. Happy flying
I really want car drivers to also have to go through this kind of form filling and investigation and education if they ran a red light
Thanks for sharing, Mike. Class B is not something you want to mess with. If you are instrument rated, I highly recommend being on an IFR plan even during the VFR days to avoid airspace complications.
I personally think IFR is easier than even dealing with flight following. You’re making a call to either request flight following and hope you get it or you file IFR and know you’re at least getting cleared 90% chance direct these days or maybe slight vectors around the dead center of the bravo unless you’re going east west over the top at 5000ft…that’s usually a clearance they will give you. Vfr flight following you still have to get handed off just the same to different frequencies same as IFR so IFR is just safer and worst case if you don’t like the clearance then cancel and go VFR around but at least you tried.
With ForeFlight filing IFR takes less than 3 minutes so it’s just too easy these days.
@@BaxterretxaB Couldn’t agree more! I always file an IfR plan when going to a new place, makes life so much easier! Of course if the weather is VFR and don’t like the routing, cancel and be on FF
BINGO!! This holds true for complicated military airspace as well, like the coastal area of SC near Cherry Point or Pensacola FL by Navy flight school.
All you need to know about Class B “cleared through the Bravo”.
That’s it nothing else!
I appreciate your content. Thanks for taking the time to share videos like this.
It takes a real man to confess, admit and own his mistakes. Instead of just sweeping it under the rug, as most people would do, you put it right out front and used it to teach others how to hopefully NOT get into your situation. For that I congratulate and thank you. You are a real man, we need more like you.
I used to go to every Wings program in my area. It was a great time to talk with the FAA guys, get some updates on rule changes, meet fellow pilots, get safety lectures (VERY useful!),... absolutely worth it from a learning standpoint and for just plain old socializing.
Thanks for sharing your whole process. This could happen to anyone. It’s great to have someone share their experience so if it were to happen to myself or others we have some insight.
Hope to see you at sun n fun.
I like how you didn’t just keep the blame on the radio like many would do. You were able to break it down and look at what YOU could have done differently in that situation and share that with us. Much appreciated 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Glad you took the time to step up and share this. There are those that would have just reset the cameras and moved ahead and miss a great opportunity to teach and learn. We are all human and to share our mistakes can be a big deal.
Love your openness and integrity. Really helpful learning from your mistake and respect you for putting this up here. Low hours Private pilot in UK here and just started following your channel.
Glad it worked out for you sir. Thanks so much for sharing your experience.
"Why would you tell on yourself?" "Why would you put yourself in the hot seat?" Really? People asked those questions? Okay. It's called PERSONAL INTEGRITY. You take responsibility for your actions.
Absolutely not. This is why you talk to aopa and an attorney before anything.
The FAA breaks their own rules but will enforce on you with no mercy. The FAA is not anyone’s friend.
@@michaeldautry So, then lying is the answer. Got it. I hope you don't mind when people lie to you.
@@nicholassinanan7374 Fine get an attorney. I never said not to be smart with your interactions with the FAA - but, denying you did anything and lying about it isn't the answer.
@@buckhorncortez you are correct, I hate when the Faa lies to me.
Happy to hear that ure alright man! Stay safe and thanks for sharing your experiences to make us all better pilots!!
Glad to hear you are all good now. Respect and honesty.
Having followed this issue from your first video on it, I am pleased to hear this resolution. Mike the humility and honesty you have shown in sharing your incident makes me not surprised how it resolved. You clearly showed both here and to the FAA that you are experienced and approach flying with a commitment to safety and following the rules. I believe your case was most likely to resolve this way, especially as there was not conflict with other aircraft in the area. I commend you on your willingness to use your event as a teaching means for all aviators and this clearly shows the king of guy you are. Congrats! Fly safe, and I wish you many more years of enjoying aviation.
I’m glad it turned out so well and you truly benefited by the whole experience as well as helped other aviators. Fly High!
Growing pain in the learning experience & now it’s Your story to tell in your history . Happy it worked out well for you & many will be more informed & aware. Thanks for sharing
You randomly fell into my feed, really interesting review of the situation and really love the honest introspection and admission of responsibility and need for additional education. These are qualities of outstanding pilots.
Appreciate the honesty of the videos. We all make mistakes and glad to see you've learned from this. Also happy to hear the FAA is taking a gentler approach these days to enforcement. Blue skies and tailwinds!
A great video series that will actually save lives! Flying is a 3 dimensional operation and the human mind can become complacent at times, forgetting that the rules are not arbitrary ideas but precise steps to keep everyone safe.
I am so glad you are safe; learned from your experience; taught others the “ropes”, and now you are free to fly!
Thank you sir!
I am not qualified to fly a plane or do I want to, especially at my age now, but listening and watching these two videos, shows to me your humility in taking responsibility for your actions. You are now better for it and those watching these videos are educated, who do fly airplanes, in never taking for granted the procedures in that must be adhered to. Excellent!
Well done Mike. You took the high road and accountability, which is what I expect every fellow pilot to do. Also, the wings program is great. I regularly take courses and attend live regional trainings. I would recommend highly.
Mike, I'm not a pilot yet, and I'm glad to be following you for a few years now. Your excellent conduct here is a great example, although it must have been stressful. Thanks for your channel
Mike, I enjoy your videos and your passion for aviation! I think your FAA Decision Video is the best video you have ever done! A great learning/teaching experience for you and everyone that follows you!
Been following your channel for awhile. Major respect for how you conduct yourself as a pilot and human. Thousands of hours does not make a pilot, character does.
We appreciate the sharing. Thank you!
Mistakes happen every day in the air. Understanding and having the chance to re-learn or apply the basics is important to operating an aircraft and for your future flights. Your openness is a plus. You've done good Mike!
Thanks for the transparency. As a student pilot this is a great lesson and helps me think about what types of unexpected things can happen.
Just took my BFR...this subject was part of the ground refresher...great that you shared very helpful! Thanks Mike...
Thank you sir. Humility is rare today. You put your buisness in the street. To your honor.... you owned it..took it..shared it for us. Keep up the great content sir.
Class and Humility. You and your channel are an asset to the aviation community. Thank you sir.
Thanks, Mike for sharing your experience. It is good to remind others that there obligations that require alternative measures to be taken when the obligations cannot be fulfilled, such as encountering Class B airspace. Calling, course deviation, and circle to gain altitude to get above the Class B. It is also good to know that there are people who want safety above all. Thanks again.
Try hanks for sharing Mike!! Learned a lot for you and like your honesty. It goes a very long way!
The way I see it - when you learn, we learn. Thank you VERY MUCH for sharing your experiences and advice.
Mike, I want to thank you for sharing your experience with all of us. Most wouldn't have said anything, but as you advised, it helps all pilots to be aware.. thank you for sharing
So good of you to share this and help others. No ego 👍
Thanks for sharing your experience and being transparent about the process. We can all learn from each other as a part of this small community of pilots.
This channel rocks. What a intriguing story. More of this type of aviation please. Keep it all comeing
I'm glad to hear that it turned out ok. You obviously handed it exactly like you should have since there wasn't any further action. Very few times have I ever heard of the FAA not taking the time to use it as a learning experience than for punishment unless someone does something plain reckless. Thanks for sharing this with us all Mike and blue skies brother.
Thank you for sharing your experience in both videos. I'm a current rock climber and future pilot. Making mistakes and being able to learn from them and share them is a great gift. I'm happy with the outcome, sounds like they made the right call and had the correct process. Godspeed.
Thank you for being so humble and transparent.
Congratulations! I think a good deal of your success has to do with your excellent attitude. Staying humble, always learning and improving, attention to detail, driving hard to be thorough, get things right, and have a backup plan...
You're in the groove!
Very interesting comments her in the post. I am about to embark on getting my PPL. You experience pilots offer a lot of knowledge. I appreciate you giving back to this channel. Mojogrip, keep creating good content in the aviation space. Respect!
This vid is the first of yours ive seen, your humility and humanizing of everyone involved has made me sub. I want to learn to fly, but always scared me making a mistake....now im not so worried. as long as youre strait up and not a horrible person, its obvious they care far more about education than punishment (to a point ofc. you *are* flying around a potentially deadly hunk of metal)
Good job, sir!
Part of being a pilot is that you owe it to the flying community to not only "learn your lesson" but to pass along that learning so others will be safer as well.
Thanks for educating others from your experience. As a CFI I appreciate your efforts.
My pilot husband and I appreciate your vulnerability and honesty. It will help educate, keep violations from happening and save lives. Great job!!
I broke a rule when landing my Cessna 150 into DSM once. I was flying from a small grass strip I usually fly from and wanted to practice going into a larger airport. I was cleared to land, I got to the runway and immediately exited the runway to a taxiway and the controller 'yelled' at me saying "I didn't give you permission to exit the active runway!" I slammed on the toebrake and did a hard 180 turn and pulled back on the runway and he yelled at me again saying, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW?!" I was so flustered, I just punched the throttle, took off, TURNED OFF THE RADIO and master switch to kill the transponder and flew out of there at low altitude (thinking I would stay off his radar, lol) and flew the hour or so back to my grass strip and parked the plane in the hangar and went and grabbed some beer and went fishing, LOL. I never heard anything more about it! This was 1985. I imagine if one would do that today, it would be an entirely different ending!!!!
*EDIT* I was a student pilot, practicing solo flight and after that, I stopped my flying 'career.' It definitely left me shaken and I think back and wish I had done things differently and kept learning and kept flying, but that was it for me after that! Now I'm a GREAT PILOT on Microsoft Flight Simulator!! 🤣
Thanks for the open discussion of how to handle mistakes with honesty and integrity. We need more examples like you. I'll definitely share this with all my students.
Your act of sharing is a huge benefit to many others . Good job . Love your plane
Admirer your honesty by tell us your story with the FAA. And it’s helps all of us that we are learning all the time.
Nice Job Mike! Helps everyone become safer and better as aviators! Thank you!
what a great attitude you have. So excellent to show the right way to look at things and how to properly work with people and authority and to just work through the problems. Great job!
Thanks for sharing, Mike.
Great Job Mike. Thanks for sharing. Outstanding advice!!!!
Hi Mojogrip, you mentioned that some were questioning why you'd put yourself out there in this situation. I'm very impressed that you did. I've seen other situations where someone made a mistake and put the entire story out there as a learning experience for everyone else. If someone can learn from your mistake and maybe not make that mistake themselves, there's nothing better than that. Kudo's Mike, and thanks for sharing the story!
A great learning experience. Thank you for the videos of the process.
Thanks for this Mike. People bring their own baggage to every situation. In my experience this is particularly obvious when people either commence flying or are non-pilots who become aware of certain aviation safety matters. Blame, punishment, guilt, secrecy etc are all real things of course. We grow up with that stuff all around us and indeed we're pre-wired to think in those terms. But aviation safety has become so amazingly good precisely by getting people to think and feel differently. Those negative concepts lead to less safety, for real. An honest yet positive approach to human frailty has changed things radically.
Great to hear! Thank you for sharing. We all make mistakes, and we can learn from them.
Glad to hear that the case is closed. But it's a great teaching moment, so thanks for using that opportunity.
It's absolutely vital that all pilots be honest about violations and mistaken actions, as it's all safety critical. It's just like a clinical governance process in medicine.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Very instructive. Great tip doing the Wings program before they contact you. I agree with AOPA pilot services. Having dealt with government agencies including medical state boards, any inquiry is best handled with an attorney.
I'm not a pilot, but I've enjoyed your videos and appreciate your honesty and integrity. Thanks, Mike.
New Sub here. Great content and glad you took accountability for an honest mistake. I think they saw that and that's why you are off the hook. It's all a learning experience, flying is no joke there is so much to learn every time you step into the cockpit. I haven't flown in years due to finances... never got to finish my PPL (I was SO close and had the check ride booked) but I had to leave for school. Everyone that flies should see this video and learn from it! Great job.
You're the man for teaching us about this. Thanks a lot for posting these videos.
I really like your videos and really appreciate this one as well. I am extremely pleased this worked out well.
Glad it worked out and thanks for sharing a valuable lesson 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing your experience 👏🏻
Thanks for sharing this bud, this is the objective of the FAA I assume, to keep pilots safe. The only way I suppose we would learn otherwise is to end up doing it ourselves. So cudos to you for sharing bud. Glad it worked out. From a fellow student pilot
Thank you for the good information. Love your channel.
Thanks for sharing..very educational.
Really enjoyed your video on the pilot deviation great job. Thank you for sharing.
Well done Mike. Thanks for sharing.
Appreciate the candor and insights here.
Your transparency is the example for all to follow. Good Job 👍
Great news! Thanks for sharing Mike
Thanks for sharing this info Mike. I am based at GMU in Greenville SC and have already flown this similar route a few times. I also use flight following as a VFR pilot and may have been too comfortable with air space while in radar contact with ATC. I have previously avoided the Charlotte Bravo by flying north or south and based on your video, need to make sure I'm really on top of the coms and clearances. I flew under the Atlanta bravo (PDK) last weekend which was a first for me and was a little nervous about staying under and following the rules. Thanks again for the awesome videos.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
I commend you for your honesty and making it an educational. Shows that you're a good pilot and someone to be trusted.
If you haven't already, you should get involved with using the FAA wings program. I encouraged the people that came to me for BFRs when I was instructing to do this. It satisfies the ground portion of the BFR, and then flight tasks are good too. The courses are actually pretty good, and it could also serve to help out in the event of something like your case happening. Cheers, and thanks for the content.
Great info Mr. Ojo. Thank you for putting this stuff out there.
Thanks for the summary and the outcome.
Love these videos. Not just in flying, but in any aspect of life, must take responsibility and own your own mistakes and behavior.
Good job on honesty. Thumbs up!
Im happy for you thank you for sharing
I admire your honesty sir! More people need that in this day and age
Well Said - You did an excellent job putting together this video. It can definitely be used as a learning tool. Glad everything worked out!
Well it seems like you were busy talking to the GoPro while making this mistake and that could have been a contributing factor? Either way seems it worked out in the end.
Exactly…. Hope he didn’t tell the FAA guy that he was busy narrating his video while flying thru complex airspace 😮
The old saying is,” Aviate, Navigate, Communicate…….😅
NOT, “Narrate, Aviate, Navigate, Communicate “!
Thank you for sharing. I have learned from your experience. 🛩🛩🛩🛩
Learning experience, go well and God bless.
Luv your humility.
I love your shows! I live in Winston Salem and work near the airport. I have seen you flying on your approach. Glad to see it worked out for ya! I spent a lot of time at Smith Reynolds Airport as a child, My dad was a dispatcher for the late and great Piedmont Airlines
I appreciate you doing what you do and how you do it. You are one of my favorite channels.
used to fly around CLT from EHO all the time when I was flying. wow... thankfully never had an airspace issue. Its a good thing that you share your learning experience with others so that the airspace is made safer for all. The big sky is really big but it is also very crowded in places. Lots of mid air collisions and runway incursions happening.
Thanks for sharing!
Huge respect for how you handled the situation. Well done.