Apple Mac Pro 4,1 and 5,1 - Dual CPU Upgrade and NVMe

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  • Опубліковано 5 лис 2024

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  • @jensdbe
    @jensdbe  Місяць тому

    In case you are struggling with the firmware upgrade from the 4,1 to 5,1 with the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool, I created a blog post that covers a workaround for this in 2024: jensd.be/2453/apple/apple-mac-pro-41-firmware-upgrade-to-51-in-2024 This post also contains further instructions on how to go to bootROM version 144.0.0.0.0.

  • @thomas0101
    @thomas0101 Рік тому +9

    Long live the 2009-2012 Mac Pros...

  • @stevem-h3562
    @stevem-h3562 7 місяців тому +3

    Intriguing way of getting around the de-lidding process. Im fascinated by that.....

  • @overdriver99
    @overdriver99 2 місяці тому +1

    thanks for showing how to upgrade new firmware for 4,1... it's so confusing in paper and this video shows all.

  • @laurencejohnson4106
    @laurencejohnson4106 Рік тому +2

    A splendid upgrade!👍👍 If I recall correctly Apple did not use delidded CPUs in the 5,1.

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  Рік тому

      That's correct. In a 5,1 you can just replace the CPUs without any further modifications.

    • @jrstrong
      @jrstrong Рік тому

      It is 'latched' down, instead of head down by the heatsinks? @@jensdbe

  • @mgesolutions
    @mgesolutions 7 місяців тому

    Hi Jens, I did the upgrade to Big Sur on a Mac Pro 5,1 (Mid 2010) and I am amazed that it all worked. Have you ever had the Finder re-launch itself suddenly on either 4,1 or 5,1 upgrades?. Thank you!

  • @bglmlm
    @bglmlm 4 місяці тому

    I am chinese from China.
    I have one 2009 Mac Pro & one 2010 Mac Pro!! It's very nice apple workstation.
    I also install MacOS ventura 13.4 sucessfully on my 2010 Mac Pro by using OCLP

  • @jrstrong
    @jrstrong Рік тому

    About 2 months ago, using Monterey 12.7, I got it 'booting' from a 1tb internal NVME PCI drive inside my 2009 4,1/5,1 cMP, running 2 x 2.66 Xeons processors, only 32mb 8x4mb DDR3 dimms! It gives 1400mb r/w's on Black Magic, MUCH better than its mechanical HD's gave it in 2009?

  • @adamjg4
    @adamjg4 5 місяців тому

    Looks great! Did it work stably over time?

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  5 місяців тому

      Definitely does. I do use it mostly with Windows (see my other video on this machine) but so far I haven't seen any issues at all.

    • @adamjg4
      @adamjg4 4 місяці тому

      @@jensdbe I checked the price on de-lidded CPUs -- WOW!

  • @MikaPohjola
    @MikaPohjola Рік тому +1

    This is a great video! I've watched it several times already in order to prepare for the big upgrading moment. :D One question: Can the thermal pads be substituted by general electricity tape?

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  Рік тому

      That would be a very bad idea as the goal of electricity tape is to isolate and the purpose of the thermal pads is to conduct the heat to the heatsink. I'm afraid it would be worse to put that tape than not do anything at all.

    • @MikaPohjola
      @MikaPohjola Рік тому +2

      @@jensdbe Thank you. I actually thought of the same after I wrote here. I actually did two single processor CPU upgrades today to 6-core 3.06, which is very straight forward. The dual processor is next and will apply thermal pads which are in the mail now. :) That will be interesting. Your video is a great assistant in the process.

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  Рік тому

      @@MikaPohjola good luck with the upgrade. It's not too hard, just take your time.

    • @MikaPohjola
      @MikaPohjola Рік тому

      @@jensdbe Seems like using 1066 speed RAM on a flashed 5,1 and upgraded CPU has a limit of 16 GB. Also, the computer struggles to boot, but does it eventually. I guess the only option is to buy new 1333 RAM and then the limit is 64 GB (I used a dual Xeon on a single processor).

  • @goldendlolig8237
    @goldendlolig8237 11 місяців тому +2

    Pls share the 4.1 firmware tool i cant open the nekas forum for months now its literally gine

  • @thomas0101
    @thomas0101 Рік тому

    What are some good trustworthy sources to buy these type of Xeon CPU chips? Or what is a good criteria to judge if a particular seller of these CPU chips is selling chips that are of a good quality? I've seen some sellers selling the fastest variety at 3.46 GHz for $40-$50 for a pair lidded but am not sure how to judge if they're selling properly test quality chips...

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  Рік тому

      If I want to buy something like this, I search on eBay to see what is more or less the market price for it first. Too low is suspicious. Then I would check seller score and also take into account shipping times/costs, depending on how much patience I have. Never really got any issues with buying things like this, especially from sellers which sell a lot and have good feedback.

  • @MrKotBonifacy
    @MrKotBonifacy 8 місяців тому

    16:27 - "A pair of these goes for around $60 to $70 on eBay", while CC reads "around $80 to $90", and the screen shows an eBay auction with the price "US $84,19"... Kinda confusing, I'd say...

  • @K.O.N.S.T.A.N.T.I.N.E
    @K.O.N.S.T.A.N.T.I.N.E Рік тому +1

    Отличное видео, thanks

    • @sinceremadness5428
      @sinceremadness5428 Рік тому

      Какой толщины покупали термопрокладку?

    • @K.O.N.S.T.A.N.T.I.N.E
      @K.O.N.S.T.A.N.T.I.N.E Рік тому

      @@sinceremadness5428 2,5 мм и в 2 слоя ложил, брал серую на озоне...

    • @sinceremadness5428
      @sinceremadness5428 Рік тому +1

      @@K.O.N.S.T.A.N.T.I.N.E я не стал экспериментировать и отдал мастеру процы на скальпирование , мне так спокойнее)

  • @foxlivecraft
    @foxlivecraft 5 місяців тому

    I have a question, my Mac pro 4.1 came with a cpu without delid and the tray had the typical Intel lock to install cpu, why is yours different?

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  5 місяців тому

      Single CPU models indeed do not have delidded CPUs. I did a CPU upgrade of one in this video: ua-cam.com/video/VrbnfYggIik/v-deo.html earlier. It's a lot easier in that case.

  • @MrGrodsan
    @MrGrodsan 6 місяців тому

    I has a mac pro with the same boot rom version and when i update to 5.1 no errors appear but still being a 4.1 😅 can helpme please? Thanks

  • @williamlehrmann4491
    @williamlehrmann4491 4 місяці тому

    What thickness of a thermal pad did you use?

  • @ktangut
    @ktangut Рік тому

    Can you do a cpu swap before upgrading the firmware (4.1)?

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  Рік тому

      If you want to upgrade to Westmere CPUs, like X5675s I used, you first need to upgrade. Without the 5,1 firmware, the machine will not boot with these CPUs. So in short: no :)

  • @southerner66
    @southerner66 Рік тому

    I noticed after the new processor installation that the memory was still being read as 1066 instead of 1333. I've heard that you need to do an NVRAM reset to get the memory to run as 1333, unless it is only 1066 RAM and won't run that fast.

    • @marduar8171
      @marduar8171 Рік тому

      I am having the same problem. Is it just a simple restart and that will get it fixed?

    • @southerner66
      @southerner66 Рік тому

      @@marduar8171 If a restart doesn't do it, try an NVRAM reset. Of course, you have to have 1333MHz RAM installed.

    • @marduar8171
      @marduar8171 Рік тому

      @@southerner66 I do have 1333 Mhz RAM. Can i do a reset having already dowloaded Mac OS Ventura or it doesn't affect it at all?

    • @southerner66
      @southerner66 Рік тому

      @@marduar8171 I don't know.

    • @skip741x3
      @skip741x3 Рік тому

      in order to see the higher ram speed, you need to have done the firmware upgrade from 4,1 to 5,1..you also need the 6 core cpus and 1333mhz ram.. with all that it Should show, if not do the nvram reset..

  • @azimm_music
    @azimm_music Рік тому

    Hello. I recently bought two mac pro's, one 5.1 2010 and the other 4.1 2009. Neither of them had the graphics cards that came with them.
    For the 5.1 2010 version, I did the firmware update with code 144 easily. I even did it with the Radeon R7 265 graphics card. However, no matter what I did to the 4.1, I can't get the firmware update. Again, of course, since I don't have a GT 120 or HD 5770, I have a R7 265 graphics card and I'm trying to do it with it. Note (I also have Rx 580 and GTX 760) Some forums say that it is only needed to access bootscreen and is not very important for firmware update. However, after bootchime, the superdrive cover does not open and I boot directly to the desktop, so the firmware does not flash. What is your advice?

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  Рік тому +1

      It should work without an EFI videocard to my experience. You don't get to see anything on the screen but the drive opens and after waiting, the system will eventually reboot. Maybe try to clear PRAM?

    • @azimm_music
      @azimm_music Рік тому

      @@jensdbe I tried all methods. I did both soft and deep reset of NVram, I did SMC reset, even after efi firmware update, I turned off the device, removed the GPU and then pressed the power button, but again the result is the same. By the way, just in case there is a clue, the BOOT ROM version is MP41.0081.B07. SMC version 1.39f5. But unlike yours, it says "Mac Pro" about this Mac, so it does not say mid 2009 or early 2009. There is no wifi card in the device. It has 3 gb ram. El Capitan was clean installed on 250 Gb HDD. Some people had the same problems even with the GT 120 or HD 5770 GPU that came with the device. Any advice I need a lot of help. For 2 weeks this has been bothering me.

    • @RealActorRob
      @RealActorRob Рік тому

      I would try booting a LOWER os than the 144 firmware is in, THEN upgrade on that machine to the OS that the 144 firmware came with so then it might 'see' the old version.@@azimm_music

  • @aaronhinton92
    @aaronhinton92 2 місяці тому

    No links in the description to the tools you're using?

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  2 місяці тому

      @@aaronhinton92 I'm not sponsored :) Anything specific you are looking for?

    • @aaronhinton92
      @aaronhinton92 Місяць тому

      I just have no idea where you’re downloading these boot rom installers, or what guides you are referencing in your screenshots, because you didn’t provide any links to the websites.

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  Місяць тому

      @@aaronhinton92 I covered an detailed guide in a previous video and in a post o my blog but I noticed this is not 100% up to date anymore. If you are struggling with the firmware upgrade from the 4,1 to 5,1 with the Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool, I cover a workaround for this over here: jensd.be/2453/apple/apple-mac-pro-41-firmware-upgrade-to-51-in-2024 This post also contains further instructions on how to go to bootROM version 144.0.0.0.0.

  • @mexjcstar
    @mexjcstar 7 місяців тому

    Plz help me, how can i boot Apple screen? I use sapphire 8g.....

  • @aestheticsignificance
    @aestheticsignificance 10 місяців тому

    not powering up anymore

  • @luisriher4436
    @luisriher4436 Рік тому

    LINK THE ARCHIVE PLIST

  • @Magnorx35
    @Magnorx35 10 місяців тому

    top

  • @dyl_nnn
    @dyl_nnn Рік тому

    How do you even afford all these pcs 😭😭

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  Рік тому

      I often get stuff from auctions and most of these are far from new so not extremely expensive. For this one, I think I paid around €150 + €35 for the CPUs and around €50 for SSD and adapter.

    • @goldendlolig8237
      @goldendlolig8237 11 місяців тому

      ​@@jensdbeim going to buy 4,1 2,26 GHz X2 and an gt120 no HDD for 150€ is the price ok ? Because I bought an 1,1 2 years ago for 25 and an 3.1 for 30 but sold it for parts because it had extremely strange issues

  • @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur

    Now put in 8 dimms of 16gb and get 128gb of ram.

    • @jensdbe
      @jensdbe  Рік тому

      It would be better to only use 6 DIMMs as the CPUs support triple channel. Having 4 per CPU results in a small performance penalty.
      But still, even 96GB of RAM, for most of what you would do with the available CPU power, except maybe running some VMs, is probably overkill.

    • @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur
      @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Рік тому

      @@jensdbe Since I will be using a professional Protools system. A session can then live completely in Ram and thus be fast.

    • @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur
      @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Рік тому

      Just ordered two x5675 cpu’s for this purpose.

  • @MrGrodsan
    @MrGrodsan 6 місяців тому

    Can upload the files to make the process of turn It from 4.1 to 5.1? Please thanks