The Flashiest Raw Selvedge Denim Jeans on Earth. (Momotaro)

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  • @connorgreen5989
    @connorgreen5989 3 роки тому +131

    R.I.P. Michael's Super Minimal Jean Collection | August 2nd, 2021 - August 27th, 2021

  • @LawrencePilgrim
    @LawrencePilgrim 3 роки тому +27

    Really cool to see companies reaching out to you. Im not sure if Ive said this before but the production quality of your vids is god-tier, honestly love the opening shots in this video. Hope youre doing well man.

  • @retrovelcro
    @retrovelcro 3 роки тому +11

    New to this channel. Don't know your background, but your videos are fantastic. There's this effortless but somehow polished..? vibe to your stories. I dig the coherent cohesiveness to your storytelling, and how you're real and not perfect too. And I enjoy your humor. Thanks :)

  • @TheRiceChrispy
    @TheRiceChrispy 3 роки тому +17

    I've never really considered the battle stripes as being "loud". I think it's an extra detail that adds to their Momotaro products.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому +1

      Agreed actually! I def see them as bold though!

  • @prycedavies4828
    @prycedavies4828 3 роки тому +5

    It would be sick if the battle stripes were in a sort of lighter indigo that could fade as well

  • @justmytwocentsdontgetmad
    @justmytwocentsdontgetmad 2 роки тому +3

    I love my Momotaro denim jacket, I got 1 size larger for a little relaxed fit. But somehow the 2 signature white stripes make me feel like I'm part of some Japanese knife gang

  • @yifanzheng1999
    @yifanzheng1999 3 роки тому +28

    What I’d like to see from Momotaro is something that I can afford 😔😔😔

    • @EMCUEAY
      @EMCUEAY 3 роки тому +2

      Having discovered Pure Blue Japan and their Aizome series of jackets and jeans I know how you feel

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому +3

      Bahahaha

    • @KeithFKeith
      @KeithFKeith 3 роки тому +1

      Save up..make them your "investment piece"..or there's always uniqlo for Fast Fashion on the edge

    • @yifanzheng1999
      @yifanzheng1999 3 роки тому +1

      @@EMCUEAY bro I love pbj but I can never justify spending spending $800 on a pair of jeans haha

    • @Kingcaru
      @Kingcaru 3 роки тому +2

      @@yifanzheng1999 that's Gold label and you dont have to go there to get a taste of Momotaro. And if you shop Japanese domestic like from Okayama Denim or Denimio, then it's not that expensive (relatively).

  • @treygreenleaf7878
    @treygreenleaf7878 3 роки тому +6

    I have these exact jeans with about 18 months of wear. Love them. The denim is very hairy when the light hits it and tons of cool details. Would not recommend wearing during the summer as these are 15.7 ounces

    • @simonpijnenburg4406
      @simonpijnenburg4406 3 роки тому

      but the summer sweat will help the fading :)

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      Oh trust me i found out the hard way especially because this is a tight weave, how’s the fading??

    • @treygreenleaf7878
      @treygreenleaf7878 3 роки тому

      @@TheIronSnail correct its a very tight weave. The fading is actually pretty slow in comparison to other brands. But I don't see that as a bad thing

    • @Ovenman940
      @Ovenman940 Місяць тому

      Momotaros are my summer jeans because they're only 15.7 ounces :)

  • @GabobStrulli
    @GabobStrulli 3 роки тому +3

    Those are Hella cool jeans and jacket,
    I think about getting a jeans and jacket combo some day too.
    I would love to see a Japanese jeans brand guide, including momotaro, pure blue Japan, etc

  • @witte2702
    @witte2702 3 роки тому +2

    I have the 702 indigo/black, they are kind of retired, but I think I should probably just wear them to destruction. It’s a great brand - Really great that brands are sending you stuff. Happy for you Michael. I’m sure that Momotaro will be pleased with the resulting video. 👍

  • @wagz54
    @wagz54 3 роки тому +2

    Battle stripes! I wants the watch they did with Oris!

  • @jeromej221
    @jeromej221 3 роки тому +5

    I think you pull off the stripes well actually. Enjoy while you’re not 30.

    • @TangoCharlieAlpha
      @TangoCharlieAlpha 3 роки тому +1

      Are you saying an older person couldn't wear them?

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому +3

      On my 30th birthday i will destroy them!

  • @Marco_Saitama
    @Marco_Saitama 2 роки тому +1

    I love the battle stripes! Looks amazing on the jacket especially.

  • @addisonbulloch6639
    @addisonbulloch6639 3 роки тому +1

    Great video Michael! Bri is pleased with that placement, nod, smile and how you filmed that. The inseam in pink is a really clever subtle nod and colour pop. Love these!

  • @MrDedpool1
    @MrDedpool1 3 роки тому

    Lol the matrix building-outfits-in-my-head ability is how I've been doing fits forever, it gets upgraded the more I get educated too

  • @ulrichk7727
    @ulrichk7727 2 роки тому +1

    That jacket is so cool, absolutely love the stripes. If the folks at Momotaro are still reading this - well done guys, very nice job!

  • @amBullseye
    @amBullseye 3 роки тому +1

    I'd like to see from momotaro some more traditional Japanese dyeing techniques, some natural dyes (sukumo, Binroju, dorozome, peach dye?)

  • @ansipage
    @ansipage Місяць тому

    Hi love your vid’s. Question - I normally wear a large in RGT and Freenote jackets. Would you recommend 42 XL size in this jacket? I have a chest size of about 42.5”. Thanks!

  • @Ktinkabogovnenana
    @Ktinkabogovnenana 3 роки тому +1

    When I saw the Chobani on your desk, I knew it was time to finally comment on one of your videos, because I was inundated with memories of my dad drinking yoghurt drinks, including one that was just milk he left to get clumpy in the pantry.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      Drinking clumpy milk is the level i hope to be at one day, thanks for the comment! Hi

  • @yazarlynn1065
    @yazarlynn1065 Рік тому

    Agree ! Momotaro is one of my favourite.

  • @johng9979
    @johng9979 3 роки тому +1

    Love the video man, I have a pair of 0306-V that I got from ebay for 100 bucks and it was a steal. Fit was kind of tight at first but started to form more to my body and have become one of my favorite pair of jeans.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому +1

      That is a steal!! Those sound sweet though good they serve you well

  • @mgray3130
    @mgray3130 7 місяців тому

    Nice play but for the price I don't think I'd purchase them. To many others to try. But now it's on my mind. Hell could have a pair next week!

  • @skandahooligan88
    @skandahooligan88 3 роки тому +1

    I've got their G004 copper label jeans and they just had a low-key peach arcuate on one of the rear pockets that has long since worn off. I wore them pretty consistently for around 3-4 years. They're on the verge of disintegrating but damn if they aren't the softest pants I've ever owned.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      Very cool to hear you wore them to that level!

  • @dxonoxd
    @dxonoxd 9 місяців тому

    watched this video made my mind about buying a pair of momos jeans black in black, bought it last month in osaka and although it is a bit pricey for me (as a 3rd world country citizen) but as far as I go it is money well spent! thanks!

  • @jaeff4
    @jaeff4 3 роки тому +1

    Love the feel, fit, and details of my Momos best of all my denim. Would love to see them collab with other high quality dry goods brands or artist/designers.

  • @f1hotrod527
    @f1hotrod527 2 роки тому +2

    So because the jacket and the pants have the battle stripes, it is a Japanese tuxedo?

  • @michaelrossi4917
    @michaelrossi4917 4 місяці тому

    I know I'm commenting on a 2 year old video, but figured I'd share that time has not yet destroyed Old Ironsides aka The USS Constitution. It is still floating in Boston and is the oldest commissioned floating naval ship in the world. You can still visit it in Boston today!

  • @unclechaw1894
    @unclechaw1894 3 роки тому +1

    The stripes are awesome. Gives me motorcycle vibes.

  • @lapizza7206
    @lapizza7206 3 роки тому +1

    Hi momotaro would you ever consider doing a mtm pair of pants? Or a custom measurement?

  • @BaoNguyen-wp8vh
    @BaoNguyen-wp8vh 3 роки тому

    Really enjoy watching your videos. My first pair of raw is a pair momotaro. Got it repair once but not wearing it anymore because the waist are a bit too loose.

  • @RykalRs
    @RykalRs 3 роки тому

    Great review. I love momotaro! I've got their 15 anniversary LHT jeans pre ordered that come in November im stocked! Beautiful jacket btw

  • @tranan661
    @tranan661 2 роки тому

    I got the Momotaro high tapered. Awesome jeans!!!

  • @gabrielespana319
    @gabrielespana319 Рік тому

    The only suggestion I have is for Momotaro to make some larger sizes because the US market is full of tall, broad, and heavyset men and we want to be able to buy your denim too

  • @hmartz
    @hmartz 3 роки тому +2

    I want from Momotaro .... a SALE!!!!

  • @bobzuidema3560
    @bobzuidema3560 3 роки тому

    Nice combo! I'm putting some wear on a Momotaro jacket as well the one with the yellow embroidery wich might be even flashier I guess ;-)

  • @friedpork_owl
    @friedpork_owl 3 роки тому

    So sweet. Thank you. I think I'm gonna pick up a pair of these jeans.

  • @Poemwriter_Angelo
    @Poemwriter_Angelo 2 роки тому

    i have the stripes on the pocket. they got some light blue spots on it from fading into it.
    i don't think its that loud. and for that price. its okay to have some fancy detail right? instead of it being expensive and looking like ordinary jeans.
    it does still look acceptable and formal enough. so you still got "kinda" fancy jeans before the fades get in.

  • @jackmartin7668
    @jackmartin7668 2 роки тому

    18 oz regular straight and black on black regular straights and the natural taper cut, heavyweight super slab

  • @jamescooper7957
    @jamescooper7957 3 роки тому +5

    Momo's are super nice Jean's. I've had a pair for a couple of years and they're still holding up.
    That being said, If you're into crazy fades on your Jean's, I'd look elsewhere. Momotaros are slow faders.

  • @J.0.E.
    @J.0.E. 3 роки тому

    Great review, been liking your videos recently. Keep it up.

  • @pherble
    @pherble 3 роки тому +1

    I like both the jacket and jeans. I'm a big guy though so sizes aren't available for me.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      This is echoed by a lot of people! @Momotaro

  • @Wevaah
    @Wevaah 3 роки тому +1

    Idk if Momotaro already does it but they should do jeans in the shashiko style like the jacket you reviewed a while back. I'm currently saving up for one because holy hell that jacket is beautiful, but one question is how do you find your size? In levi denim jackets I always buy medium but still dont know which size would fit better from Momotaro. Awesome video Michael and I hope your jacket creation is going well!

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому +1

      Ty ty ty it is! And it’s a bit tricky! Id measure your Levi’s jacket with a fabric measuring tape and try to match up!

  • @fridgeninjas
    @fridgeninjas 3 роки тому

    I've always been too nervous to try to size for a momotaro jacket (I'm 6'4") but this vid makes me wish I was more brave! also that is a SWEET painting

  • @mg2380
    @mg2380 3 роки тому

    Nice video. Back in March, I pre-ordered a 15th Anniv. 15.7oz left-hand twill jacket from them. Should ship in Oct. Hopefully it's worth the wait.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому +1

      I saw those, they look insane!

    • @mg2380
      @mg2380 3 роки тому

      @@TheIronSnail That's awesome to hear. Thanks!

  • @ChristianCadena12
    @ChristianCadena12 3 роки тому

    I would love love LOVE for momotaro to make a double black jacket from their flagship 15.7oz double black denim. I've had their B0306-SP for a month and it's already showing some fading that looks subtle and beautiful and would love to finish the denim tuxedo with a double black going to battle type 2 with handwarmers

  • @blueband8114
    @blueband8114 3 роки тому

    I have a couple of pairs of Momotaro jeans, love them. Great fit, great quality. 13.7 oz and 15.7 oz. Neither of my pair have battle stripes though.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      Gotta snag some with the stripes!

    • @blueband8114
      @blueband8114 3 роки тому

      @@TheIronSnail i think i would opt for a pair with the subtle stripes they do( sure there is an olive green stripe option).

  • @russianxauseller3666
    @russianxauseller3666 Рік тому

    are that white strip will fade / disappear after couple soak / wash?

  • @brunonjezic6208
    @brunonjezic6208 2 роки тому

    I love front gasets on the front of jacket

  • @GabobStrulli
    @GabobStrulli 2 роки тому

    Would you size up in retro perspective? Isn't the jacket tight around the shoulder?

  • @Jamesv13
    @Jamesv13 2 роки тому

    I've been looking into this jacket. Seems pretty stiff and not the most comfortable. Can I expect it to get worn in and softer even without washing it often?

  • @themancaveclub
    @themancaveclub Рік тому

    Definitely a nice looking jacket!

  • @william07122
    @william07122 3 роки тому

    Now we are talking!!! I love my Momotaro and Iron Heart

  • @zifaatsz
    @zifaatsz Рік тому

    I would like to see a momotaro jeans with yellow and pink sewed into it in in lines😭

  • @yanghanlung
    @yanghanlung 3 роки тому

    Red weft, natural indigo warp, with the ready to battle stripe, of course.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      Sheeeeesh! Reminds me of naked and famous’ jeans to a degree

    • @yanghanlung
      @yanghanlung 3 роки тому

      Eh... Forgot to state that i want a jacket in that spec, make the stripe on the arm, please

  • @williamman7304
    @williamman7304 3 роки тому

    I'm waiting for the "Denim brand reflect to your personality part 2". I'm patiently waiting.

  • @iamkevin9419
    @iamkevin9419 6 місяців тому

    What is the model of the jeans taper stlye?

  • @jacobvonloh69
    @jacobvonloh69 3 роки тому

    Double battle stripe have you lookin like an anime hero lol, great vid as always homie 🤙🏼

  • @muhammadsyafiqahmadhisham8854
    @muhammadsyafiqahmadhisham8854 2 роки тому

    If my normal size is 28, should I take the same size for momotaro or have any suggestion?

  • @dieser_kirschner1326
    @dieser_kirschner1326 3 роки тому

    The Jacket is very nice Dude, i love the Battle Stripes actually. I myself got a Naked & Famous Okayama Spirit 4 Jacket last Week for an absolute Steal and couldnt resist - im already curious how it will turn out

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      I have the same jacket! It’s nuts! The fading is insanely fast

  • @kershawkel
    @kershawkel 3 роки тому

    I love my pair of 16.5 oz indigo jeans with black battle stripes, but i really wish momo would make more black on black / black denims with black battle stripes!

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      AGREED or even a very light grey

    • @kershawkel
      @kershawkel 3 роки тому

      @@TheIronSnail yesss that would be HOT

  • @hmartz
    @hmartz 3 роки тому +1

    Michael 🐌 what are your measures, height , weight. I’m far from Japan and the states and want to order a pair of those jeans in size 30 and not able to return if wrong. Thanks!!!

    • @hmartz
      @hmartz 3 роки тому

      5-9 150 pounds 😂 sorry didn’t notice. What about waist?

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      Hahaha 30 waist!

  • @fenakazy1215
    @fenakazy1215 3 роки тому

    Hey Michael you talked about two cool denim jackets in this video. But like, you got your own denim jacket in the works. Whaaat? Do I buy Momotaro? Do I wait for yours? Is a snail or two white stripes optimal for sleeve perfomance?

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому +1

      Bahaha this is an interesting dilemma…i think the only move is an iron snail x Momo collab with the snail between the stripes

  • @benbiber4135
    @benbiber4135 2 роки тому

    Looks awesome but unlikely to get it shipped here to South Africa without costing three times more

  • @leronharrison1110
    @leronharrison1110 3 роки тому +2

    Definitely trying to lose weight, but would like to see Momotaro do a few more pieces for bigger-sized guys.

    • @hellboy7424
      @hellboy7424 3 роки тому +2

      +1 to that !! I'm not fat. I'm 1'95cm tall and an elite athlete, so I wear a W44 for comfort. But if you want to buy a pair and you are above the Japanese average it should not be a problem or discriminatory either. What is the problem with being a little fat or simply because of the European average ?! Levi's has a "big and tall" section, by the way.

    • @leronharrison1110
      @leronharrison1110 3 роки тому +1

      @@hellboy7424 Thanks for the support. Hopefully, they'll hear our requests via Iron Snail.

    • @hellboy7424
      @hellboy7424 3 роки тому

      @@leronharrison1110 You are welcome! Thanks to you for visualizing a problem that, I'm afraid, happens in many places: not thinking about a large part of the population that doesn't fit to a standard physique at that time in history or prevailing fashion.
      I hope so. One day, mate.

  • @zenja372
    @zenja372 3 роки тому

    Wow so cool! Thats some good denim armour!

  • @jonathanpforr3844
    @jonathanpforr3844 3 роки тому

    Makin big moves bro big moves keep up the grind!!!

  • @smarfmart
    @smarfmart 2 роки тому

    10:06 I can’t find any information online about slicing open the box stitches.

  • @ofirshachamorov5979
    @ofirshachamorov5979 Рік тому

    What kind of fit did you get with the pants ?

  • @kev9385
    @kev9385 3 роки тому

    An America ivy tapered fit (without the battle stripes) so they can be worn with ocbd and sports coat

  • @EMCUEAY
    @EMCUEAY 3 роки тому

    Momotaro should make a pair of jeans with sea island cotton.
    Also the single most beautiful adage I've read regarding jeans is on the inside tag of Momotaro jeans, I don't own a pair but have seen a picture, "...It will be jeans if it is called Momotaro."

  • @tihnchern4568
    @tihnchern4568 2 роки тому

    Hi Mike, may I know what tapered is this? Narrow?

  • @TuzPew
    @TuzPew 3 роки тому +1

    Question about The Iron Snail jacket: Will there be shipping to EU?

  • @tyshawnnorwood6281
    @tyshawnnorwood6281 3 роки тому

    I want that denim jacket!

  • @justinjalowiec3353
    @justinjalowiec3353 3 роки тому

    Could you try a pair of rustler jeans. They are super cheap but still decent

  • @Kingcaru
    @Kingcaru 3 роки тому

    This is the most chaotic denim channel I've come across

  • @funkdebris
    @funkdebris 3 роки тому

    What are your thoughts on the Momotaro x Oris collab on the Sixty-Five diver band? It would be cool if they released those for general watch wear…

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      Oohohohohohoho I LOVE IT a perfect mix of my two favorite things

  • @leroyt.magunda7524
    @leroyt.magunda7524 3 роки тому

    Hie Michael...Seconding your point that Zimbabwe cotton is very good cotton perfect for denim...
    Leroy here from Bulawayo/Zimbabwe.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      Hey Leroy!!

    • @leroyt.magunda7524
      @leroyt.magunda7524 3 роки тому

      @@TheIronSnail Hey Michael...I really enjoy watching your videos and thanks to you the denim collection get bigger.🦾🙏🏿

  • @jamarkusevans
    @jamarkusevans 3 роки тому

    I definitely need your help finding the right lightwash denim jacket. I'm in Houston and can't find one anywhere.

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      3Sixteen all day!! And Studio D’Artisan has some fresh ones

    • @jamarkusevans
      @jamarkusevans 3 роки тому

      @@TheIronSnail you my friend, are a life saver!

  • @esap520
    @esap520 3 роки тому

    Would love if they produced a non-fade pair, like the PBJ NC collection (though I know I am likely in the minority)

  • @JFANderful
    @JFANderful 3 роки тому

    You gotta get the 25oz samurai denim jacket. It's so uncomfortable it's crazy

  • @hongbuii
    @hongbuii 2 роки тому

    I wish they would make size 23 jeans for petite girls like me 😩😩

  • @HandballMr
    @HandballMr 3 роки тому

    I’d like to see some High Rise heavyweight (18-21OZ) Momotaro

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      SAME! Although they said they want to focus on character over weight

  • @thanGacao
    @thanGacao 3 роки тому

    I would argue that Evisu is a lot flashier and louder. Tho their vintage pieces are amazing. They were at the forefront of bringing raw denim to the masses.

  • @gujiao
    @gujiao 2 роки тому

    those are not jdm products, i got a pair of momotaro 0105sp in Osaka 2019, a lot better than evisu and nudie jeans especially after first wash, the latter feel like paper not as fluffy and hairy as the momotaro. first day with my new lvc 1947, I got a feeling it will become similar to nudie jeans.

  • @nenadpetrovic4374
    @nenadpetrovic4374 3 роки тому

    Like always....you made awesome video

  • @asegal4677
    @asegal4677 Рік тому

    The stripes are bothersome for me, though I prefer a classic menswear look.

  • @gordoncgregory
    @gordoncgregory 10 місяців тому

    I got momotaro as the relaxed fit go around squatters thighs.

  • @TheProwhey
    @TheProwhey 2 роки тому

    clothing videos can't get any better in this life.

  • @TonSantatoSegobi
    @TonSantatoSegobi 3 роки тому

    Momotaro I want the jacket and the pants too kkkk for test in Brazil, pleaseeee kkk

  • @erikarnold6853
    @erikarnold6853 2 роки тому

    what fit are your jeans?

  • @RLSteffler
    @RLSteffler Рік тому

    4:15 "aw look at those arms, your arms look like little cigarettes, I bet I could smoke you"

  • @ChuckDuncan
    @ChuckDuncan 3 роки тому +1

    The jacket and jeans look like spandex on me. I'd love a bigger cut, something a bit more "athletic".

  • @OjedaAntonio
    @OjedaAntonio 2 роки тому

    I'm 5'7, weighing about 173-175 lbs. You think I should go for a size 36 or 38?

  • @saumilthakore253
    @saumilthakore253 2 роки тому

    Yo u mind if I screenshot 8:57? That pic goes hard.

  • @isaacprice6633
    @isaacprice6633 3 роки тому

    I'd love to see some heavier weight stuff like 20 oz

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому

      They actually made a statement that they won’t focus on heavy weights :( more on just character

  • @sweatyben1550
    @sweatyben1550 2 роки тому

    I'd say evisu is!

  • @mcmickey3344
    @mcmickey3344 2 роки тому

    You like momos sugar Canes or Sumurais

  • @hellboy7424
    @hellboy7424 3 роки тому

    They only produce for Europeans with Japanese size. My proposal is that they also make jeans up to size W46 and L36. There are many Europeans over one meter eighty tall wanting to buy a Momotaro!!

    • @TheIronSnail
      @TheIronSnail  3 роки тому +1

      I’ve seen this a lot actually!

    • @hellboy7424
      @hellboy7424 3 роки тому

      @@TheIronSnail It doesn't surprise me! There's a gulf between the physicality of the Japanese or the Middle Asian, the South European (as is my case), the North European and even many North Americans.
      I love Japanese denim and the good taste of this culture when it comes to fabrics, but it's almost impossible to find jeans in sizes above W40. And if there is, it is too expensive. If it is also STF, the problem is even greater, because you have to buy larger sizes thinking that they shrink with washing.
      If you want to find something you have to go to mass-produced brands, composite fabrics, synthetic indigo or crazy expensive import products ... and that if you are very, very lucky.
      Thanks for the interest and for your time. I love your channel. Best wishes with your brand "Iron Snail".

  • @marioh5172
    @marioh5172 3 місяці тому

    Momotaro: You pronounce momotaro correctly in such a way that you do not place any special emphasis on a particular syllable. You emphasize TA, it doesn't need that. :-)

  • @rubberlover666
    @rubberlover666 3 роки тому

    That jacket is fresh but they can miss me with the big ass stripes on the jeans. I do respect the “are you working on anything new?” “No.” Ice cold.