"Welcome to Arcadia, the safest place on Gallifrey!" Reminds me of this: "I never had much liking for the word impregnable...sounds too much like unsinkable." "What's wrong with unsinkable?" "Nothing, as the iceberg said to the Titanic."
Lol yes, but this has always bought a single thought into my mind, why the hell is Arcadia the single most "safest" or "defended" place on Gallifrey? like logically thinking wouldn't that be The Citadel? e.g. the home of the Time Lord High Council, The Capitol, oh and also probably the one place where TARDIS's are constructed/ grown and kept, the location of the highest concentration of Time Lord's at any one point in time and also where the majority of all the "important people" within Time Lord/ normal Gallifreyan society lives/resides most of the time?
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair." -Douglas Adams
The point of this story is that despite what the soldier is saying, the reflection is NOT an hallucination. The Time Lords have taken to reanimating the dead. In past episodes it's been said that war crimes were committed by both sides, that the Time Lords fell to the level of the monsters they were fighting.
1701spacecadet, I don't think that's official, but I like that interpretation. After all, there's no reason a soldier's family would want to see their beloved fight and die. It makes more sense that it's a recording to be removed and put into their new body.
1701spacecadet Where do you get that from? His face looks a bit like a skull but maybe that's just the front of his helmet. What makes you think he's a reanimated corpse? And does that mean the "hallucination" earlier is a scene from his previous life, possibly just before he was killed for the first time? Does Steven "Grecian 2000" Moffat have anything to say about this?
+greenaum Why would you think the hallucination scene is from his earlier life when they said in the clip it's a premonition? A premonition is a prediction of the future. Of course, they said it's not really a premonition, but obviously he was seeing into the future of the Time War.
ShadeSlayer1911 Crazy idea: Is there a 'region free' version of all the big game consoles cuz some time ago I learned there was a Doctor Who video game for the PS2 and I'd love to give it a try. Obviously, I may not like it merely because of it having our favorite mad man in a blue box, but I'd still like to try it. As a longtime Star Wars fan, I've seen plenty of games that DIDN'T make the cut. In fact, I once responded to the person from whom I bought such a game with "You did your part just great. It's not your fault the game sucks roadkill through a straw!"
A Dr Who shooter in the vein of Planetside or Battlefield where you could choose a classic warrior race as your faction (Dalek, Time Lord, Sontaran etc) would be beyond epic. A Total War esque game would be great too
I think it'd be cool if they did something akin to what Star Wars is doing with Rogue One. A war story set in the Doctor Who universe during the Time war.
The Rageaholic The hat didn't repell your mom however. Well, she doesn't have very high selection standard towards men anyway, look at your father... Gotta go now, nice chat we had :)
Kelian Artistauchapeau Aren't you clever... your women repelling hat and personality is trying to make up for it by being clever. Unfortunately for you, clever isn't your thing.
To everyone asking how the daleks made it through so easily I'm wondering if rassilon actually opened up the sky trenches and allowed the daleks in on purpose so that the council would vote in favor of his "final sanction" idea?
Or perhaps a Northern Accent is the mark of a Warrior on Gallifrey, as both the War Doctor and the Ninth Doctor had them, the two most Warrior-like incarnations of The Doctor, and now we find the entire Platoon of Time Lord Warriors have Northern Accents, seems like too big a coincidence. Also, while "Lots of planets have a North!" Seems completely in character, we know that Time Lord accents change every body so aren't governed by birthplace, and it's a bit of a stretch to think that a northern accent is a universal constant in every planet with magnetic poles, and wouldn't the Doctor try to impress Rose with his scientific brilliance? Unless he didn't want to tell her the truth because of how much it hurt. And so he gave a jokey answer, because that's the only way to hide the pain.
The Time Lords and the Daleks were repeatedly changing time every time they lose and these poor soldiers were caught in the middle of it, doomed to repeatedly fight and die.
@@williamnorton9547 Well, my idea of hell is me being forced to watch twilight and 50 shades of gray over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.... ugh.
I feel it’s a bit different for them mentally, since they are timelords as well. So they’d probably have some idea it was happening, and understood the tactic
Pedro Cavalcante Santana Well, the Time Lords had the technology and weaponry to kill the Daleks, its just that they were heavily armored, with insane shield power, and the Daleks could kill almost anything(including Gallifreyans) in a single shot, whereas it takes a LOT more than 1 hit to take down a Dalek. So yeah, 1 Dalek, with maybe the element of surprise, could DEFINITELY destroy Arcadia if they weren't ready. And they weren't ready for that attack.
Also, the shear fact that "nothing can get through" is part of it. Think of the Home Guard in Britain in WW2, I get the impression this is basically the role filled by the soldiers in Arcadia. So, one dalek gets in, and it can a lot in the time it takes what amounts to a small unit to kill it.
@@pedrocavalcantesantana7378 They can, but if just one dalek gets through the sky trenches, then that dalek could do a lot of damage. And let others in. Disable the sky trenches. Hack the galifrean weapon systems, kill the lord president, the list goes on.
+ TheFlynn32 correction "almost nothing can get through a sky trench. nothing in history has ever gotten through 2. up there, we got 400 of them" *daleks get through 400 sky trenches*
+chase1146 "Almost nothing can get through a sky trench. Nothing in history has ever gotten through two. Up there, *they* got four hundred of them." It's probable that what the Time Lords are on IS a sky trench. And that there are four hundred Dalek ships, each of which carries two thousand Daleks (if memory serves).
+turkanator123 everything about that paragraph is wrong on so many levels! i mean yeah what you said is right just... why!? that sounds like a horrible design flaw, a completely dangerous idea that may easily backfire
BLACK DALEK: How did you survive the Time War? DOCTOR: By fighting. On the front line. I was there at the fall of Arcadia. Someday I might even come to terms with that. But you lot ran away! And here it is! Awesome!
The best part of doctor who, is that you never expexct it to be scary, so whenever it decides to drill it into your skull that it's serious, it gives you it's good old fashioned scare, and sends you spiralling back in your chair. Love you doctor who.
repeat after me. Not. All. Gallifreyans. Were. TIMELORDS. same as in any society, you have upper crust, middle, and lower, these men werw simply Gallifreyan soldiers. The Timelords were in the center of the fight, these men were meant to guard the homefront. THEY. WERE. NOT. TIMELORDS.
Unknownssj Quote from the Doctor Who wiki: Gallifreyans were a humanoid species native to the planet Gallifrey. The powerful Time Lords arose from this species, and considered themselves to be the elite of Gallifreyan society. (PROSE: Interference - Book Two)
The Time Lords (sometimes called the Lords of Time or, rarely, Chronarchs) were the "oligarchic rulers of the planet Gallifrey", and thus also Gallifreyan. (TV: The Hand of Fear, The Deadly Assassin, PROSE: Interference - Book Two) ~ Tardis Wikia Page on the Timelords.
Unknownssj That is a very good question actually. there is a lengthy explanation on their wikia but basically they will refer to the stuff that doesn't fit directly in the cannon as Non-DWU. Most of the Audiobooks/Books count as In-Universe unless otherwise stated .
Some people may think this was trashy and rushed. In my opinion, I thought this was very very clever, a very interesting way of positioning the audience on Gallifrey. I honestly feel Steven Moffat and the BBC are knocking the build up to the 50th out of the park.
I can imagine the Dalek commander giving it's briefing to all the Daleks and they look back at it and say "Is getting past the sky trench going to be that easy?".
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 Dalek emperor: ''Over 300 years we have been fighting in this war.... and we could have just walked in like that!? Damn you, DOCTOR! You lied about shield being impregnable! There never was a shield.... all this time wasted.''
"Hey new guy who's never even seen this equipment before, lets put you in charge of the lookout post that determines whether we all live or die." Good plan.
I'd love to see a time war video game, third person shooter where we see the whole life span of the war doctor, or maybe new Chartres in a call of duty style or maybe even a star war s battle front command post style
sheppard kyle agreed, I've played knights of the old republic (same type of game play as mass effect) and it would be great for doctor who. setting it during the life of the war doctor could be great for showing his story and also be great setting to have action game play since he's the only doctor who would have a gun regularly
I agree MrSeanicles.. I prefer RPG style games to FPS but i just mentioned the FPS due to the fact it was the WAR doctor... But if I think about it I would see it more of a KotOR or Mass Effect type game
I think one of my favourite things about the Daleks is the reason they’re so scary. They don’t look scary, it’s a bin with a whisk and a plunger, but it’s their views their technology and what they represent that’s terrifying. Daleks are completely evil, narcissistic, sadistic and hateful creatures, they view themselves as the superior race in the universe and will wipe out anything that isn’t them just to prove it. They revel in their own hatred for non Dalek kind that it’s considered art to them, something that’s considered beautiful and worthy of keeping, an example of this being the asylum. But worst of all is that they have the ability to wipe out billions within a blink of an eye, one dalek trapped in a room with hundreds of soldiers armed to the teeth in the latest military grade tech could win because of its technology and determination to rid the universe of anything that isn’t it. They represent the phrase “it’s not because of what it will do but because of what it can do.” And even the time lords know that. Listen to the desperation and fear in that soldier’s voice over just one of these things and it’ll tell you everything you need to know, even a race of beings with the tools and tech needed to kill these things are sent shaking in their boots when just one is on the planet. To the point of sirens being set off over it. You don’t set precautions like that up for one enemy without reason, its appearance maybe ridiculous but it’s everything else that’s scary about it, the fact it could and would wipe out billions of people on its own without a shred of remorse or hesitation for the soul reason whatever it’s killing not being it is more terrifying than any other creature in doctor who and it’s why in my eyes they’re the best and worst enemy in the series.
Time Lords while having insanely powerful stuff, they are weaker than you would expect. They even got invaded by Sontarans at one time in the classic series before the Time War (although the Sontarans had help to get in). And the timelords needed the 4th Doctor's help to fend them off. (Episode: Invasion of Time)
+Wholock is amazing I thought: hmm, it's gonna be a dalek- but even though I expected it, I was still terrified XD Most scary bit was still 1:08, when he's a skeleton...
You're not alone. Also when the other guy that said to lock on to the Dalek while hesitating and started to sound worried, it made it a bit more scarier for me. Also just seeing the Dalek move around for a bit was spine chilling for me………but when the rest of the Daleks came flying down to the city and when the one Dalek shot the guy with the camera as he started screaming 😳😳😳
Wholock is amazing well... yeah. I mean, seriously, it’s hard to be scared of the newer Daleks these days. The 9th Doctor did a great job of making them scary, and while I thought they were less scary for the 10th Doctor they still felt like a threat. These days... I honestly don’t care.
danmanviolinist97 Remember Ten's rant about the Time Lords and Daleks messing with weaponized paradoxes at the end of the Time War? What you said is funny but also a little creepy.
Paranormal17 And regenerations would function as a life system throughout the game, where you only get twelve, and if you lose all of them, you restart the entire game or something
@@jeckjeck3119 eh a normal solder would have the threat of dying for good and would only be s grunt much more interesting than someone who can wipe a village out when regenerating. Or it could be perms death 12 lives then out and they could be used like nukes
wait, he said "in the event of your death you head cam memories will be stripped from your cerebral cortex and uploaded to your family drives." does that mean that youtube is his family drives??
+chase1146 Yes. Every video on UA-cam was uploaded by a member of that guy's family. As a matter of face, his name is Charlie and the videos of a baby version of him biting others have become especially popular.
I was like that as soon as he said "Welcome to Arcadia"... I jumped in my seat, I swear, and my stomach clenched. "By fighting... on the front line. I was there at the Fall of Arcadia. Some day, I might even come to terms with that." Remember? That was Ten, answering the Daleks in Doomsday. Gotta say though, I assumed Arcadia was the name of a planet, not somewhere on Gallifrey...
this should turn into a full videogame, and name it the fall of Arcadia, 100% I would buy, even this mini episode looks like a game, with the first person shooter look.
drummerboi357 Even greater. A sad ending video game. One that ends cannon to the story, and maybe even The Doctor burning/freezing (whatever you feel like goin' with. Maybe a split story that can have both endings? or a double ending? I don't know) Gallifrey.
You can die up to 12 times (regenerating) but can get game over before that if you are killed again in the middle of it. Ending of the game is, let's say- witnessing the doctor freeze Gallifrey like he did in the day of the doctor?
don't know what you are all complaining about. there is nothing wrong with the cgi, it's fine. it's a mini episode, not a hollywood blockbuster. and steven moffat is delivering briliantly, don't know why people feel the need to always complain!
Mary Ann The most popular reasons for people to complain about such things are those that were learned from the Greek gods and the average politician: "Because I can." "Why not?"
That was mega awesome, i loved it, the first person point of view was awesome I'm always saying they should do more scary things in 1st person point of view, makes the audience get into more, and seem like they are really there making the whole thing seem really scary.
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim Transduction barrier, Sky trenches (a 'lot' of them), quantum Force Field, fake gallifreys and who knows what other defenses time lords have created... especially in time war... it just seems a bit (a lot) far fetched that Daleks (even if they 'were' powerful enough to fight time lords to stalemate, at the time) would be able to get pass that amount of defenses to actually attack them...unless, someone who is powerful enough, and has access to system from the inside. Someone who was mad enough to do such a thing, someone who... is the lord president of Gallifrey. He wanted high council to vote 'yes' to final sanction.
@@jeckjeck3119 That's, at best, Speculation. Don't go waving it around as fact. Its more likely that there was a Timelord that was partly converted (Think, the Priestess of the Silence in Name of the Doctor) that either smuggled Daleks in or disabled most of the defenses. He might be mad, but he's not going to risk the Extinction of the Timelords. Not to mention the only canon defensive measure are the Sky Trenches, I have no idea where the others came from.
Consider the Cthulhu mythos: just looking at Cthulhu is supposed to drive you insane, and that makes filming him a disappointing shadow of what he's supposed to be. So it's best to not actually show him. I'm feeling the same way about the Time War right now. Perhaps it would have been best to not show any of it.
I completely agree! My imagination is something much worse than what they'll show. It's like when you know war veterans who don't like to talk about what happened. That's how I always felt about the Doctor. They didn't show us or talk about it because it was SO bad. And I don't want to know! The Doctor needs mystery to his story
I think it won't be JUST Time War. It's gonna be something new to it... I hope.. Because, didn't Moffat say himself that we aren't gonna see the Time War and compared doing a film about it to a Star Wars prequels (in a bad way)? I think he wrote some story, which had to feature this war.. And I agree with Truett Edgell, I think Moffat wants to bring the Time Lords back ("change the course of the show"). And that's impossible without going back to Time War.
Chino4video I know right?!?! that's exactly what I was thinking! It totally looks like a first-person video game! I would love if they made a game out of it
heh. I know how they did it. The Sky Trenches were the last best defense the Time Lords can invent. Layers or inverted time, some slower, some faster, some reverse, designed so that no living being could live to cross them, weapons fired through them would encounter the quick time ribbons and disperse, living beings would be torn apart by alternate superaging and rejuvinating different parts of the body until the victim died of old age, regressed past infancy, or a mix of the two. Dalek armor was useless against it because the manipulated time fields played havoc with the pilot regardless of armor. The space of the trench itself was literally impossible for a living being to occupy or fire through. It was the perfect defense -- as long as the enemy could be kept on their side of the trench. The Daleks. solved the problem in a very simple way, doing the one thing the Time Lords didn't think to ward against. They sent an empty Dalek suit down, using an automated drone as pilot. One designed to be incredibly simple and last for billions of years if needed. Aging, regressing and slowing had no effect on the drone, and Dalek shells themselves are designed to endure almost anything. Once the drone was through they had a reference point to bring their whole force through the barrier and Arcadia fell.
Oh, for heaven's sake! Whovians! Time Lords are Gallifreyans, Gallifreyans are Time Lords! Well, let us not forget The Time Ladies, or The Shoboogans and the Outsiders and...How many have you forgotten that their are more than just Gallifreyans on Gallifrey? All Gallifreyans have the ability to regenerate. BUT, what sets them apart between Gallifreyans and Time Lords is Time Travel. All stand before the untempered schism when they reach the age of 8 but only those Gallifreyans who graduate from The Academy earn the title of Time Lord and only those with that title get a TARDIS! Though there might have been times where those who haven't graduated gained a TARDIS either as a hand me down heirloom or from a Gallifreyan junkyard. But why am I telling you all this? ;)
+DarkComet360 I heard all people born on Gallifrey are Gallifreyans. Gallifreyans who wish to become Timelords must apply for the acadamy, where they are subject to the Untempered Schism (Meaning not all Gallifreyans were subject to it) but once graduated from the academy gain the ability to regenerate and the title of Timelord. Then they have to take a TARDIS licence in order to pilot one. When a Gallifreyan had been granted the rank of Junior Time Lord in the Academy, they received their symbiotic nuclei. (A symbiotic nuclei is what allows Timelords access to time travel) To graduate they were tested, with a pass rate of 51% (such as that achieved by the Doctor), up to a "Triple First" grade (like Romana I), and could take the test more than once if necessary, with the result being confidential. Only 3 Timelords regenerated on-screen. (The Master, The Doctor and Romana) all three graduated the academy. So even with Canon to back me up, It is clear to regenerate you must graduate.
+Sonicbolt Just because we saw 3 graduates all regenerate doesn't mean that non graduates can't regenerate. I take it that all Gallifreyans have exposure to the time vortex and it's this that give them the ability to regenerate, in the same way that River gained the ability to regenerate through TARDIS time travel (and with a bit of tinkering from the Silence). And even if it's not the case that the whole planet is exposed and every Gallifreyan can regenerate, by this logic at least all those that were exposed to the Untempered Schism should have gained that ability by exposure
+Benjamin Faircloth not all Gallefrayans are exposed to the time vortex. I have legit sources of information. If you can show me one that is confirmed then sure. But I stand by canon terms that Timelords get there title once graduating and regeneration is alowed once graduated
+Sonicbolt being late at night, I'm only going off the tardis wikia at the moment, which cites different reasons for the existence of regeneration in audio stories etc, but the only tv origin theory is when the eleventh doctor theorises that it was caused by billions of years of exposure to the untempered schism
I think it was important to show, even token fashion, that the Time War affected ordinary people. We see it in this minisode from the perspective of low-ranking soldiers and during the Day of the Doctor when unarmed civilians are shown trying to make their escape from Arcadia.
This was awesome. The CGI was fine. I read the comments beforehand and the Daleks looked decent. Keep in mind this was a quick mini-sode. They didn't have to break the bank on this.
Besides the Citadel Guards, we finally see a Gallifreyan Military and man this really need a Time War series with John Hurt. This is when Moffat still has it as a talented Who writer with characters and twist. I cannot say the same with Series 6-10. Then again, Moffat’s era is Gold compared to Chibnall’s !
I watched this for the first time here. I don't think I'll be hitting the replay button. I had a strange, almost physical reaction at the end of this. I felt a little sick and had a cold shiver down the back, don't know why but I did...Interesting...I'm still going to see the episode at the cinema tomorrow. : )
***** True but i doubt that this mini episode had particularly high production values, and judging by how the day of the doctor looks visually, i think we can let the fake daleks slide in this case :L
Imagine if the Doctor had just killed all the Daleks when he first met them, back when they were so wimpy that if they weren't sliding on metal floors, they were immobilized and ordinary humans could just climb inside the shell like it's nothing.
+about me (( ik your joking [ well duh its just a show] but for fun )) we couldn't we had seen the dalek destroy so much an we hate them so if we went back an killed them all we would never see them destroy an we would never go... paradox
Valpas Kankaristo It can easily be considered that the Time Lords fired the first shot in the Time War by sending the Doctor back to ancient Skaro to destroy the Daleks before they came to be, which ended up making a deadly enemy of the man whom I lovingly call Frankenstein himself, Davros: Lord and Creator of the Dalek race.
Gaius Baltar handed over the secret defense codes to a tall blonde. Daleks may be short and bald, but their plungers could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. Not saying' I know how they got through the sky trenches, I'm just sayin'
On the one hand, this is awesome and I screamed when I heard Arcadia, on the other hand, I don't really like this because they are just too human-like... this is too simple for the Time War, this looks like they could be just advanced humans, and Arcadia should have been a planet, not just a city on Gallifrey... it should have been BIGGER. ...Yeah, I still have very, very mixed feelings about the whole 50th package.
MurrayTheMac Um, I was not talking about appearance, I was taking about culture and behavior and ability. This, and the rest of what we saw, just looks like a normal space-age battle. They should not call that a Time War. What I imagined was more like chaos that cannot be perceived by human eyes - timelines tangled, multiple paradoxical versions of the same battle being replayed as they go back and try to change things sothe outcome benefits them, breaking all of their own laws of Time, paradox machines and reapers and warfare relying on bombs that twist time, creating pockets of slow-time and acceletared time where the difference kills you when you step through it, unless you are capable of creating your own time field like a trained Time Lord... "at its heart, millions die every second, lost in bloodlust and insanity. With time itself resurrecting them, to find new ways of dying over and over again. A travesty of life." Multiple deaths of the same person stretched out over parallels existing at the same time, "Never-were", whose planets of origin had already been wiped from existence so they could never have been born and yet they still linger as vengeful echoes... That's what I expect. I expect Time Lords to be more alien than advanced humans, cause they are not human at all. Think how diverse Earth culture is, even now, not to mention throughout the ages - and Time Lords have nothing to do with humans.
EmeraldWings90 None of that stuff was depicted when Daleks and Time Lords battled each other in old Doctor Who, so why would they suddenly start doing it now? Time Lords have been depicted on-screen many, many times. What we saw there was not in conflict with their previous representations.
MurrayTheMac Because it would be awesome? And because they hinted at it? I don't know, my expectations were just a bit higher. This is just a personal opinion. And I know they have been depicted before, and while I have not seen all of Classic Who, what I have seen of them there seemed a bit more alien than this - they were excessively formal and haughty, for example. And even that seems to be missing here. So I do think this was in conflict with their previous representations a bit - maybe not in fact, but in spirit.
EmeraldWings90 The Council of Gaillifrey were always presented as being formal and haughty, and they still are in the new series ... the Council seen in The End of Time definitely is. Normal Time Lords have never been portrayed as having to follow that mold though. Romana, for one, was never particularly stuck up or haughty. And remember we're seeing your average soldier instead of the leaders of the Time Lords. The disappointment you're feeling is because of something you built up in your own head, and it's a bit unfair to say they failed just because they didn't meet your unrealistic expectations.
Boy that guy who was all “It’s not a premonition” sure ran for cover as soon as that Dalek showed up. He showed up later, alive, in The Day Of The Doctor after Arcadia had, for all intents and purposes, fallen and the Doctor showed up
1 Dalek=Destroy Most Protected City of Galifry. 1 Doctor=Millions and Billions of Daleks Destroyed. Therfore 1 Doctor=Billions of Millions of Gallifrys destroyed.
Its true, that's the safest place on gallifrey. that just doesn't mean much when you have a billion Daleks coming in. Its like how there's a safest space to be in a field of landmines. But you're still in a field of landmines.
The reasons why the Time Lords had such a hard time fighting the Daleks despite having the most advanced technology in the universe is because their weapons and defensive technological advancements lagged behind some other races and species. Although, to be fair, they were WAY ahead in every other aspect of science and technology! That's how they survived as long as they did in the war.
I see them losing just like the Ancients lost to the Wraith in Stargate. They won every battle but the Daleks kept on comming until the Time Lords lost the war.
Fynov I can agree with this sentiment but the portrayal of the whole thing was awful. Didnt look like the Time Lords put up any sort of resistance at all.
TheAlchymist Well this was the last day and the doctor knew that the Time Lords have used everything at the daleks and that they have no hope so he was forced to use the moment before the time lords do something stupid which they did in the end of time. The Time Lords simply most likely ran out of resources and the war went on for ages so there must've been some resistance. Just the fact that a billion billion daleks was too much and when you destroy some they just make some more daleks. They had no chance.
Illusionz Man Running out of resources? We're talking TIME LORDS. We're talking people who tamed exploding stars for their ships. From the Ninth Doctor and the Tenth Doctor we've heard how bloody this war got, you can see it in them how brutal it was and the episode 'The End of Time' they said the Time Lords went dark unleashing things that should not have been free to reign to win this war. 'The Night of the Doctor' mini-episode made me think "Oh god, the Time Lords were really out of control. Burning the Universe alongside the Daleks." and then it was just weak... All we got is the invasion of the Daleks and how one Dalek could destroy a Gallifreyan city which just sounds RIDICULOUS! What this basically shows is that Daleks are superior to Time Lords which I'm just not impressed with.
That would be cool maybe they could use one of those micro camera and hide it on the doctor himself and then the only time you see him its whenever he looks in the mirror . And they could also have the doctor narrate the whole thing. And bring back jelly babies because they seem to be very fond of them at one point.
Christopher Brehe, if the Torchwood series really is canon, then they could use the Eye-5, a contact-lens with a camera that interfaces remotely with a computer.
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What I never understood is why 'one Dalek' would be enough to destroy an entire Time Lord city. "We're the best defended place on Gallifrey, but not a man among us can hit an eye stalk and our weapons produce less explosive yield than 20th Century Earth tech. One Dalek would flatten us." They make the statement so pointedly, and so often. You can't help but think it would have made much more sense for the soldiers of Arcadia to be overconfident, and perhaps even...a little bored? "Don't worry recruit, this is the safest place on Gallifrey. The Dalek fleet? Oh, it's up there - they attack us, day after day, but almost nothing gets through a sky trench. Nothing in HISTORY has ever gotten through two, and we've got 400 of them. I hope you joined up to make beds and polish boots - the truth is, I doubt you'll ever see real combat. - - - Would you look at that! One of the monsters actually made it! Must have tried some kind of temporal shift and got lucky... Everyone, to the heavy artillery - one of you gets to shoot something today! 100 credits to the soldier who brings it down!" THEN, you do the reveal of the rest of the swarm, and the cheering and the excitement turn to panic as they realize the trenches have fallen. The bored soldiers who a moment ago were wishing for some excitement now face this horrifying reality. It just makes so much more sense to me in terms of Time Lord capability.
I actually like how the Time War's final days weren't anything grand and majestic like the rest of it, just one final effort. It really underlines the futility and stupidity of the entire war. It's just another planetary invasion and destruction, at the cost of most of the universe.
I'm watching Doctor Who since 2017. It was a 10th series. I thought that I have seen all doctor who content that can be possible to see, but this one is like the brand new for me. First time watching
I originally couldn't take the daleks that seriously because of their design but after seeing how stong they are and the level of destruction they're capable of I can understand why people are scared of them.
The Time Lords have gone from an all powerful civilization when they were first introduced with the Second Doctor, to nothing more than humans with a little bit of neuro-tech. Even if you argue that these may have just been Gallifreyans and that Time Lords are the upper class, the Time Lords should easily have predicted this and teleported the Daleks away. Or even destroyed them with the infinite power they posses with the eye of harmony.
Remember that the Daleks also have Time Lord technology at this point in history, so it's likely they have a ridiculous number of counter-measures, not to mention the fact that these "sky trenches" are likely war-time manifestations of the highest levels of Time Lord technology anyway.
If the Time Lords could do that to Daleks I think they would have won the time war. Remember the Daleks have tech just as good as the Time Lords 1 lone Dalek can take over a planet millions don't bare thinking about. And remember the Time Lords are peaceful race I doubt they would have had enough time to come up with effective weapons against Daleks.
The Daleks were almost as advanced as the Time Lords by this point but were also much more numerous and bloodthirsty. The Timelords by their nature weren't initially all that into weapons tech so they started off with a disadvantage and were already losing by the time they had found the will to really fight. Plus the Daleks had continued to advance scientifically so this makes sense if you remember that Time lords aren't humans, they are far more removed from their animal natures than we are. If we had that kind of technology we would have come up with at least a dozen different ways to neutralize them before they even started their first attack but Time Lords don't think like us.
The Tiumelords were sworn to never interfere with universal events, the Daleks on the other hand had been preparing to invade Galifrey for a long time and even mastered the technology of the deathsmiths.
It is known that the TimeLords don't mind interfering with the Daleks. This is shown by the episode Genesis of the Daleks. They want the Doctor to stop their creation, or make them kinder.
I guess it would set up too many ripples in the past series but I was expecting the Time Lords to have a bit more of a majestic syntax. These dudes sound like they're showing you round Tesco.
Oh my gosh.. I think I will perceive Doctor Who a lot differently now.. cx. The idea of this little mini episode is a great one though. I could imagine it being a game, a different story line that's parallel to the course of the Doctor's, or even a whole series its self! 👌
My thoughts are simple on how they got through. Going through a sky trench for a dalek would take 10000000000000/1 odds. So getting through two would mean that only a fraction of the survivors could get through. But then, it only takes a single cell of dalek DNA to make a new dalek. You could grow a full on dalek, take each of it's cells apart, and make another billion or so, go about with this for about a month and you've got enough to get one dalek through.
"Welcome to Arcadia, the safest place on Gallifrey!"
Reminds me of this:
"I never had much liking for the word impregnable...sounds too much like unsinkable."
"What's wrong with unsinkable?"
"Nothing, as the iceberg said to the Titanic."
Karl Hiramanek "what?"
"Blub, blub, blub."
Loren Helgeson Robot had some of my favorite 4th Doctor lines
"I was on another ship once that they said was unsinkable. I ended up clinging to an iceberg, it wasn't half cold."
- 9th Doctor
Lol yes, but this has always bought a single thought into my mind, why the hell is Arcadia the single most "safest" or "defended" place on Gallifrey? like logically thinking wouldn't that be The Citadel? e.g. the home of the Time Lord High Council, The Capitol, oh and also probably the one place where TARDIS's are constructed/ grown and kept, the location of the highest concentration of Time Lord's at any one point in time and also where the majority of all the "important people" within Time Lord/ normal Gallifreyan society lives/resides most of the time?
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
-Douglas Adams
"Arcadia has fallen. I repeat, Arcadia has fallen."
"He was there."
"Who?"
"Me. I was there. On the last day of the Time War. At the Fall of Arcadia."
The point of this story is that despite what the soldier is saying, the reflection is NOT an hallucination. The Time Lords have taken to reanimating the dead. In past episodes it's been said that war crimes were committed by both sides, that the Time Lords fell to the level of the monsters they were fighting.
1701spacecadet, I don't think that's official, but I like that interpretation. After all, there's no reason a soldier's family would want to see their beloved fight and die. It makes more sense that it's a recording to be removed and put into their new body.
And if you think about it, it would explain why the Doctor had no choice to 'destroy' both the Daleks AND the Time Lords.
1701spacecadet Where do you get that from? His face looks a bit like a skull but maybe that's just the front of his helmet. What makes you think he's a reanimated corpse? And does that mean the "hallucination" earlier is a scene from his previous life, possibly just before he was killed for the first time?
Does Steven "Grecian 2000" Moffat have anything to say about this?
+greenaum Why would you think the hallucination scene is from his earlier life when they said in the clip it's a premonition? A premonition is a prediction of the future. Of course, they said it's not really a premonition, but obviously he was seeing into the future of the Time War.
he didn't say it was a premonition he said "I can assure you, it is not a premonition" which means it was a memory
I feel like this is the beginning of a videogame.
ShadeSlayer1911 yes.
ShadeSlayer1911
Crazy idea:
Is there a 'region free' version of all the big game consoles cuz some time ago I learned there was a Doctor Who video game for the PS2 and I'd love to give it a try.
Obviously, I may not like it merely because of it having our favorite mad man in a blue box, but I'd still like to try it.
As a longtime Star Wars fan, I've seen plenty of games that DIDN'T make the cut.
In fact, I once responded to the person from whom I bought such a game with
"You did your part just great. It's not your fault the game sucks roadkill through a straw!"
A Dr Who shooter in the vein of Planetside or Battlefield where you could choose a classic warrior race as your faction (Dalek, Time Lord, Sontaran etc) would be beyond epic. A Total War esque game would be great too
Call of Gallifrey: Kasterborous Warfare.
It really feels like stuff from halo reach
I would LOVE a miniseries or spinoff set in the Time War. There is so much potential untapped in this area in Who canon.
Don't make Moffat write it, please.
I think it'd be cool if they did something akin to what Star Wars is doing with Rogue One. A war story set in the Doctor Who universe during the Time war.
Kelian Artistauchapeau and you're at it again... with your woman repelling hat and all
The Rageaholic The hat didn't repell your mom however. Well, she doesn't have very high selection standard towards men anyway, look at your father...
Gotta go now, nice chat we had :)
Kelian Artistauchapeau Aren't you clever... your women repelling hat and personality is trying to make up for it by being clever. Unfortunately for you, clever isn't your thing.
From the way the first Dalek is moving and looking around, it's almost like it can't believe it is where it is lol.
WHEN I SAID RUN INTO THE TRENCH REALLY FAST. I DID NOT THINK THEY WOULD MAKE ME DO IT... AND I DID NOT THINK IT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK.
Tanall I definitely read that in a Dalek voice ^^
Is that handles
OMG I'M ACTUALLY HERE OMG THIS IS GOING ON REDDIT
"Wait how the hell did I end up here!?"
To everyone asking how the daleks made it through so easily I'm wondering if rassilon actually opened up the sky trenches and allowed the daleks in on purpose so that the council would vote in favor of his "final sanction" idea?
That's a cool idea
@@peterjoyfilmsagreed. Rassilon is just psychotic enough to do that.
That speck there? Pretend it's a Dalek.
No! You pretended too hard! AAUUGHH!
Did you wish *really* hard?
*SHUT UP!*
If someone understands the last two messages, pat on the back to you ;)
@@offtheradar-5802 She's the Tardis but also a woman.
Edwin Rosario ;)
tf2whackyengineer UNPRETEND! UNPRETEND DAMMIT!
These Gallifreyan soldiers have northern English accents like Doctor no. 9! They must be from the North of Gallifrey!
"Lots of planets have a North!"
Stephen Murphy fantastic
666 likes .. I will not ruin this mommet by making them 667 LOL
Or perhaps a Northern Accent is the mark of a Warrior on Gallifrey, as both the War Doctor and the Ninth Doctor had them, the two most Warrior-like incarnations of The Doctor, and now we find the entire Platoon of Time Lord Warriors have Northern Accents, seems like too big a coincidence. Also, while "Lots of planets have a North!" Seems completely in character, we know that Time Lord accents change every body so aren't governed by birthplace, and it's a bit of a stretch to think that a northern accent is a universal constant in every planet with magnetic poles, and wouldn't the Doctor try to impress Rose with his scientific brilliance? Unless he didn't want to tell her the truth because of how much it hurt. And so he gave a jokey answer, because that's the only way to hide the pain.
Or maybe Arcadia is more up the North.
Lya B.S. The accents aren't affected by area!
The Time Lords and the Daleks were repeatedly changing time every time they lose and these poor soldiers were caught in the middle of it, doomed to repeatedly fight and die.
Bradley Conder
Easily someone's idea of Hell.
@@williamnorton9547
Well, my idea of hell is me being forced to watch twilight and 50 shades of gray over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.... ugh.
Thought that was only in the center of the time war itself, while gallifrey was on the fringes of the war without such travesties occurring.
I feel it’s a bit different for them mentally, since they are timelords as well. So they’d probably have some idea it was happening, and understood the tactic
@@kiryukazuma8089 no the soldiers are not Time Lords, most of Gallifrey isn't. The Time Lords are the ruling class.
I love this. Its basically, "Kid, nothing can get through, but if one does, we're screwed."
Rick Harrison what make no sence , time lords cant't kill daleks ? What a heck
I know , but in " the day of the doctor '' the 8.5 kill 4 daleks with the tardis
Pedro Cavalcante Santana Well, the Time Lords had the technology and weaponry to kill the Daleks, its just that they were heavily armored, with insane shield power, and the Daleks could kill almost anything(including Gallifreyans) in a single shot, whereas it takes a LOT more than 1 hit to take down a Dalek. So yeah, 1 Dalek, with maybe the element of surprise, could DEFINITELY destroy Arcadia if they weren't ready. And they weren't ready for that attack.
Also, the shear fact that "nothing can get through" is part of it. Think of the Home Guard in Britain in WW2, I get the impression this is basically the role filled by the soldiers in Arcadia. So, one dalek gets in, and it can a lot in the time it takes what amounts to a small unit to kill it.
@@pedrocavalcantesantana7378
They can, but if just one dalek gets through the sky trenches, then that dalek could do a lot of damage. And let others in. Disable the sky trenches. Hack the galifrean weapon systems, kill the lord president, the list goes on.
"don't worry, nothing can get through a sky trench" *daleks get through sky trenches*
+ TheFlynn32 correction "almost nothing can get through a sky trench. nothing in history has ever gotten through 2. up there, we got 400 of them" *daleks get through 400 sky trenches*
+chase1146 "Almost nothing can get through a sky trench. Nothing in history has ever gotten through two. Up there, *they* got four hundred of them."
It's probable that what the Time Lords are on IS a sky trench. And that there are four hundred Dalek ships, each of which carries two thousand Daleks (if memory serves).
+TheFlynn32 also let's get the schizophrenic malfunctioning cyborg to manage the most crucial of entry ports...
....
wow, they deserved to be extinct
+turkanator123 everything about that paragraph is wrong on so many levels!
i mean yeah what you said is right just...
why!?
that sounds like a horrible design flaw, a completely dangerous idea that may easily backfire
They had one job!
BLACK DALEK: How did you survive the Time War?
DOCTOR: By fighting. On the front line. I was there at the fall of Arcadia. Someday I might even come to terms with that. But you lot ran away!
And here it is! Awesome!
Dalek Sec my dear freind, Dalek Sec
@@PowerOfTheStorm10The cleverest Dalek ever, according to Ten
"a bird or something"
Funny how nonchalant you can be about something that could possibly result in the Fall of Arcadia.
Tell me about it. I pretty much screamed at the screen all the way through that
+ColonelGW *a dalek shoots at a wall* what was that? must of been the wind
How could a bird destroy Arcadia ??
Doubtful Guest
It's not just any bird.... it's one hell of a bird.
Probably because they didn't believe anything outside four hundred sky trenches could get through
The best part of doctor who, is that you never expexct it to be scary, so whenever it decides to drill it into your skull that it's serious, it gives you it's good old fashioned scare, and sends you spiralling back in your chair.
Love you doctor who.
repeat after me. Not. All. Gallifreyans. Were. TIMELORDS. same as in any society, you have upper crust, middle, and lower, these men werw simply Gallifreyan soldiers. The Timelords were in the center of the fight, these men were meant to guard the homefront.
THEY. WERE. NOT. TIMELORDS.
Not everyone from Gallifrey was a Time Lord? I thought they were, you know, a race, not just special upper class individuals. Could you explain a bit?
Unknownssj Quote from the Doctor Who wiki:
Gallifreyans were a humanoid species native to the planet Gallifrey. The powerful Time Lords arose from this species, and considered themselves to be the elite of Gallifreyan society. (PROSE: Interference - Book Two)
The Time Lords (sometimes called the Lords of Time or, rarely, Chronarchs) were the "oligarchic rulers of the planet Gallifrey", and thus also Gallifreyan. (TV: The Hand of Fear, The Deadly Assassin, PROSE: Interference - Book Two)
~ Tardis Wikia Page on the Timelords.
Elbereth478
Aren't the novels and short stories considered non-canon?
Unknownssj
That is a very good question actually. there is a lengthy explanation on their wikia but basically they will refer to the stuff that doesn't fit directly in the cannon as Non-DWU. Most of the Audiobooks/Books count as In-Universe unless otherwise stated
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I love how paradoxical Time Lords seem. A time machine that is bigger on the inside, space age clockwork, and Sky Trenches.
Some people may think this was trashy and rushed. In my opinion, I thought this was very very clever, a very interesting way of positioning the audience on Gallifrey. I honestly feel Steven Moffat and the BBC are knocking the build up to the 50th out of the park.
Could be true, they never reveal much of what happened before Galifrey was frozen, or how the attack started.
I love how this was done like a psychological horror, more of this please!
"Don't worry" they said...
"It not a premonition" they said...
"It the safest place on Gallifrey" they said....
I can imagine the Dalek commander giving it's briefing to all the Daleks and they look back at it and say "Is getting past the sky trench going to be that easy?".
999% canon
and then the Daleks watch as one comrade pass the trenches as if notbibg happened.
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370
Dalek emperor: ''Over 300 years we have been fighting in this war.... and we could have just walked in like that!? Damn you, DOCTOR! You lied about shield being impregnable! There never was a shield.... all this time wasted.''
Dio! At last! Tell me the secret of your stand!
@@jrs4753 Nanomachines, Son. They slow time in response to colour pallet changes.
"Hey new guy who's never even seen this equipment before, lets put you in charge of the lookout post that determines whether we all live or die." Good plan.
+Kaagh178 No one actually said that.
+Will Davis How did that lookout post determine anything?
Kind of reminds me of a Star Wars the clone wars episode
Only Sith deal in absolutes... And Yoda, when describing that the Sith deal in absolutes.
That was Obi Wan
i want to see a time war spin off series
I'd love to see a time war video game, third person shooter where we see the whole life span of the war doctor, or maybe new Chartres in a call of duty style or maybe even a star war s battle front command post style
***** I'd enjoy the life of the War Doctor as a FPS but mainly just for that story
***** i think that would be quite good for a game (p.s i have played mas effect and it was brilliant. i recommend it)
sheppard kyle
agreed, I've played knights of the old republic (same type of game play as mass effect) and it would be great for doctor who. setting it during the life of the war doctor could be great for showing his story and also be great setting to have action game play since he's the only doctor who would have a gun regularly
I agree MrSeanicles.. I prefer RPG style games to FPS but i just mentioned the FPS due to the fact it was the WAR doctor... But if I think about it I would see it more of a KotOR or Mass Effect type game
I think one of my favourite things about the Daleks is the reason they’re so scary.
They don’t look scary, it’s a bin with a whisk and a plunger, but it’s their views their technology and what they represent that’s terrifying.
Daleks are completely evil, narcissistic, sadistic and hateful creatures, they view themselves as the superior race in the universe and will wipe out anything that isn’t them just to prove it.
They revel in their own hatred for non Dalek kind that it’s considered art to them, something that’s considered beautiful and worthy of keeping, an example of this being the asylum.
But worst of all is that they have the ability to wipe out billions within a blink of an eye, one dalek trapped in a room with hundreds of soldiers armed to the teeth in the latest military grade tech could win because of its technology and determination to rid the universe of anything that isn’t it.
They represent the phrase “it’s not because of what it will do but because of what it can do.” And even the time lords know that.
Listen to the desperation and fear in that soldier’s voice over just one of these things and it’ll tell you everything you need to know, even a race of beings with the tools and tech needed to kill these things are sent shaking in their boots when just one is on the planet. To the point of sirens being set off over it.
You don’t set precautions like that up for one enemy without reason, its appearance maybe ridiculous but it’s everything else that’s scary about it, the fact it could and would wipe out billions of people on its own without a shred of remorse or hesitation for the soul reason whatever it’s killing not being it is more terrifying than any other creature in doctor who and it’s why in my eyes they’re the best and worst enemy in the series.
Love that Dalek don't look scary, because why would they care about what looks scary to a human?
And then hear the fear and respect in their voice when they say Doctor
Time Lords while having insanely powerful stuff, they are weaker than you would expect. They even got invaded by Sontarans at one time in the classic series before the Time War (although the Sontarans had help to get in). And the timelords needed the 4th Doctor's help to fend them off. (Episode: Invasion of Time)
Arrogance is an amazing thing can make the most powerful of beings fall for stupid reasons.
Was I the only one actually scared when they realised that it really was a dalek?
+Wholock is amazing Nope. This was actually really scary for me.
+Wholock is amazing I thought: hmm, it's gonna be a dalek- but even though I expected it, I was still terrified XD
Most scary bit was still 1:08, when he's a skeleton...
That scared me so much!
You're not alone. Also when the other guy that said to lock on to the Dalek while hesitating and started to sound worried, it made it a bit more scarier for me. Also just seeing the Dalek move around for a bit was spine chilling for me………but when the rest of the Daleks came flying down to the city and when the one Dalek shot the guy with the camera as he started screaming 😳😳😳
Wholock is amazing well... yeah. I mean, seriously, it’s hard to be scared of the newer Daleks these days. The 9th Doctor did a great job of making them scary, and while I thought they were less scary for the 10th Doctor they still felt like a threat. These days... I honestly don’t care.
*The Last Day: A mini-episode - The Day of the Doctor prequel*
I love how we're seeing bits and pieces of the Time War. Very exciting.
***** You're right! He did say he was there at the fall of Arcadia. I forgot about that.
***** Yeah. I really doubt it, but I wondered watching once they said Arcadia if we're seeing that through the Doctor's eyes. Probably not.
***** Whoa... wait a second. Maybe we're seeing through the eyes of the Warrior Doctor aka John Hurt?!
Yeah, watching it again, I forgot how it ended. Definitely not the Doctor.
Also, at least last night, this is free in the 50th Special package in the Play Store. (iTunes too I think.)
And how did the Daleks get through the sky trenches? Through a plot hole of course!
+danmanviolinist97 Badum-tsshh
bu-dum-tsh
danmanviolinist97 Remember Ten's rant about the Time Lords and Daleks messing with weaponized paradoxes at the end of the Time War?
What you said is funny but also a little creepy.
Because wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey plot hole....
Rassilon let them in. DUH.
Game over. Press a to restart
Press R to regenerate
soisyourface1234 that could actually be pretty cool a time war game from the perspective of a normal solder
Paranormal17 And regenerations would function as a life system throughout the game, where you only get twelve, and if you lose all of them, you restart the entire game or something
@@c.o7993
Or a time lord's. It would need to be a biggest open world RPG ever.
@@jeckjeck3119 eh a normal solder would have the threat of dying for good and would only be s grunt much more interesting than someone who can wipe a village out when regenerating.
Or it could be perms death 12 lives then out and they could be used like nukes
wait, he said "in the event of your death you head cam memories will be stripped from your cerebral cortex and uploaded to your family drives." does that mean that youtube is his family drives??
+chase1146 Yes. Every video on UA-cam was uploaded by a member of that guy's family. As a matter of face, his name is Charlie and the videos of a baby version of him biting others have become especially popular.
As soon as he said "safest place on Galifrey" i was like well crap. this is the end.
I was like that as soon as he said "Welcome to Arcadia"... I jumped in my seat, I swear, and my stomach clenched.
"By fighting... on the front line. I was there at the Fall of Arcadia. Some day, I might even come to terms with that."
Remember? That was Ten, answering the Daleks in Doomsday. Gotta say though, I assumed Arcadia was the name of a planet, not somewhere on Gallifrey...
this should turn into a full videogame, and name it the fall of Arcadia, 100% I would buy, even this mini episode looks like a game, with the first person shooter look.
it totally felt like the intro of a game, when you learn all the controls and stuff.
drummerboi357
Even greater. A sad ending video game. One that ends cannon to the story, and maybe even The Doctor burning/freezing (whatever you feel like goin' with. Maybe a split story that can have both endings? or a double ending? I don't know) Gallifrey.
You can die up to 12 times (regenerating) but can get game over before that if you are killed again in the middle of it. Ending of the game is, let's say- witnessing the doctor freeze Gallifrey like he did in the day of the doctor?
don't know what you are all complaining about. there is nothing wrong with the cgi, it's fine. it's a mini episode, not a hollywood blockbuster. and steven moffat is delivering briliantly, don't know why people feel the need to always complain!
I think the thumbs up/moaning comments ratio, speaks volumes for fandom...
Mary Ann
The most popular reasons for people to complain about such things are those that were learned from the Greek gods and the average politician:
"Because I can."
"Why not?"
That was mega awesome, i loved it, the first person point of view was awesome I'm always saying they should do more scary things in 1st person point of view, makes the audience get into more, and seem like they are really there making the whole thing seem really scary.
At 2:12-2:13 you can see something blew up.
Most likely the Daleks breaching the Skytrench.
@@LY2030.
Rasslion let them in.
@@jeckjeck3119 There's no evidence of that. Don't spread a nonsense theory.
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim
Transduction barrier, Sky trenches (a 'lot' of them), quantum Force Field, fake gallifreys and who knows what other defenses time lords have created... especially in time war... it just seems a bit (a lot) far fetched that Daleks (even if they 'were' powerful enough to fight time lords to stalemate, at the time) would be able to get pass that amount of defenses to actually attack them...unless, someone who is powerful enough, and has access to system from the inside. Someone who was mad enough to do such a thing, someone who... is the lord president of Gallifrey. He wanted high council to vote 'yes' to final sanction.
@@jeckjeck3119 That's, at best, Speculation. Don't go waving it around as fact.
Its more likely that there was a Timelord that was partly converted (Think, the Priestess of the Silence in Name of the Doctor) that either smuggled Daleks in or disabled most of the defenses.
He might be mad, but he's not going to risk the Extinction of the Timelords.
Not to mention the only canon defensive measure are the Sky Trenches, I have no idea where the others came from.
Because one dalek made it through 400 sheilds and even if they disabled I still have another question THERES BIRDS on GALLIFREY!?
Why not.
There are cats on Galifrey
Consider the Cthulhu mythos: just looking at Cthulhu is supposed to drive you insane, and that makes filming him a disappointing shadow of what he's supposed to be. So it's best to not actually show him.
I'm feeling the same way about the Time War right now. Perhaps it would have been best to not show any of it.
I completely agree! My imagination is something much worse than what they'll show. It's like when you know war veterans who don't like to talk about what happened. That's how I always felt about the Doctor. They didn't show us or talk about it because it was SO bad. And I don't want to know! The Doctor needs mystery to his story
heather23renae there is more to the doctor than the time war
I disagree. I think they should show it, get it out of their systems, and then bring the Time Lords back.
Yeah! lets just scrap the entire movie shall we :) (sarcastic)
I think it won't be JUST Time War. It's gonna be something new to it... I hope..
Because, didn't Moffat say himself that we aren't gonna see the Time War and compared doing a film about it to a Star Wars prequels (in a bad way)? I think he wrote some story, which had to feature this war..
And I agree with Truett Edgell, I think Moffat wants to bring the Time Lords back ("change the course of the show"). And that's impossible without going back to Time War.
please make this into a video game
Chino4video I know right?!?! that's exactly what I was thinking! It totally looks like a first-person video game! I would love if they made a game out of it
+Chino4video +HoundsUnleashed Yhyh. I can imagine a huge MMO RPG you can choose what race you are and you fight in the time war would be epic.
There is a video game.
Then at the end of the game, you the war doctor saving the family from the 50th anniversary!
+Connor Kingston What is the name of it?!
For all the problems this had, I still got chills when he said Arcadia and I realised what was about to go down.
heh. I know how they did it. The Sky Trenches were the last best defense the Time Lords can invent. Layers or inverted time, some slower, some faster, some reverse, designed so that no living being could live to cross them, weapons fired through them would encounter the quick time ribbons and disperse, living beings would be torn apart by alternate superaging and rejuvinating different parts of the body until the victim died of old age, regressed past infancy, or a mix of the two. Dalek armor was useless against it because the manipulated time fields played havoc with the pilot regardless of armor. The space of the trench itself was literally impossible for a living being to occupy or fire through. It was the perfect defense -- as long as the enemy could be kept on their side of the trench.
The Daleks. solved the problem in a very simple way, doing the one thing the Time Lords didn't think to ward against. They sent an empty Dalek suit down, using an automated drone as pilot. One designed to be incredibly simple and last for billions of years if needed. Aging, regressing and slowing had no effect on the drone, and Dalek shells themselves are designed to endure almost anything. Once the drone was through they had a reference point to bring their whole force through the barrier
and Arcadia fell.
Oh, for heaven's sake! Whovians! Time Lords are Gallifreyans, Gallifreyans are Time Lords! Well, let us not forget The Time Ladies, or The Shoboogans and the Outsiders and...How many have you forgotten that their are more than just Gallifreyans on Gallifrey? All Gallifreyans have the ability to regenerate. BUT, what sets them apart between Gallifreyans and Time Lords is Time Travel.
All stand before the untempered schism when they reach the age of 8 but only those Gallifreyans who graduate from The Academy earn the title of Time Lord and only those with that title get a TARDIS! Though there might have been times where those who haven't graduated gained a TARDIS either as a hand me down heirloom or from a Gallifreyan junkyard. But why am I telling you all this? ;)
DarkComet360
+DarkComet360 I heard all people born on Gallifrey are Gallifreyans. Gallifreyans who wish to become Timelords must apply for the acadamy, where they are subject to the Untempered Schism (Meaning not all Gallifreyans were subject to it) but once graduated from the academy gain the ability to regenerate and the title of Timelord. Then they have to take a TARDIS licence in order to pilot one. When a Gallifreyan had been granted the rank of Junior Time Lord in the Academy, they received their symbiotic nuclei. (A symbiotic nuclei is what allows Timelords access to time travel) To graduate they were tested, with a pass rate of 51% (such as that achieved by the Doctor), up to a "Triple First" grade (like Romana I), and could take the test more than once if necessary, with the result being confidential. Only 3 Timelords regenerated on-screen. (The Master, The Doctor and Romana) all three graduated the academy. So even with Canon to back me up, It is clear to regenerate you must graduate.
+Sonicbolt Just because we saw 3 graduates all regenerate doesn't mean that non graduates can't regenerate. I take it that all Gallifreyans have exposure to the time vortex and it's this that give them the ability to regenerate, in the same way that River gained the ability to regenerate through TARDIS time travel (and with a bit of tinkering from the Silence). And even if it's not the case that the whole planet is exposed and every Gallifreyan can regenerate, by this logic at least all those that were exposed to the Untempered Schism should have gained that ability by exposure
+Benjamin Faircloth not all Gallefrayans are exposed to the time vortex. I have legit sources of information. If you can show me one that is confirmed then sure. But I stand by canon terms that Timelords get there title once graduating and regeneration is alowed once graduated
+Sonicbolt being late at night, I'm only going off the tardis wikia at the moment, which cites different reasons for the existence of regeneration in audio stories etc, but the only tv origin theory is when the eleventh doctor theorises that it was caused by billions of years of exposure to the untempered schism
I think it was important to show, even token fashion, that the Time War affected ordinary people. We see it in this minisode from the perspective of low-ranking soldiers and during the Day of the Doctor when unarmed civilians are shown trying to make their escape from Arcadia.
"That bird or something"
This looks like the beginning of a video game.
so true never noticed it
Felt like the beginning of Half-Life for me.
The Cricket Nerd half life 3 confirmed
Oh gosh, that mirror scene spooked me so bad!! I had to rewatch a few times to understand what I was seeing.
what was it
eleven at first I thought it was a slitheen, but it’s actually a skull
The Doctor was there at the fall of Arcadia. The 50th is gonna be so epic, we finally learn about the time war I can't wait!!!
This was awesome. The CGI was fine. I read the comments beforehand and the Daleks looked decent.
Keep in mind this was a quick mini-sode. They didn't have to break the bank on this.
Well that was.... um... dark...
Nah Arcadia is the safest place on gallifrey not at all where davros died on the last day of the time war
what never pshhh
Besides the Citadel Guards, we finally see a Gallifreyan Military and man this really need a Time War series with John Hurt.
This is when Moffat still has it as a talented Who writer with characters and twist. I cannot say the same with Series 6-10.
Then again, Moffat’s era is Gold compared to Chibnall’s !
nah 8-10 was better than 5-7
"What COULD possibly go wrong?"
BatGuy500
The Fates and Murphy's law take such questions as personal challenges.
I watched this for the first time here. I don't think I'll be hitting the replay button. I had a strange, almost physical reaction at the end of this. I felt a little sick and had a cold shiver down the back, don't know why but I did...Interesting...I'm still going to see the episode at the cinema tomorrow. : )
Haha, really? I'm sorry but the daleks look like they were ripped straight from an old computer game.
***** True but i doubt that this mini episode had particularly high production values, and judging by how the day of the doctor looks visually, i think we can let the fake daleks slide in this case :L
***** Fair enough, all the visual bits and bobs in Day of the Doctor look spectacular, and I'm willing to not fret about a three minute long webisode!
Imagine if the Doctor had just killed all the Daleks when he first met them, back when they were so wimpy that if they weren't sliding on metal floors, they were immobilized and ordinary humans could just climb inside the shell like it's nothing.
+about me (( ik your joking [ well duh its just a show] but for fun )) we couldn't we had seen the dalek destroy so much an we hate them so if we went back an killed them all we would never see them destroy an we would never go... paradox
plus we already witnessed the genesis of the Daleks in a story named... Genesis of the Daleks
Valpas Kankaristo
It can easily be considered that the Time Lords fired the first shot in the Time War by sending the Doctor back to ancient Skaro to destroy the Daleks before they came to be, which ended up making a deadly enemy of the man whom I lovingly call Frankenstein himself,
Davros: Lord and Creator of the Dalek race.
Gaius Baltar handed over the secret defense codes to a tall blonde. Daleks may be short and bald, but their plungers could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. Not saying' I know how they got through the sky trenches, I'm just sayin'
This would make an amazing FPS.
On the one hand, this is awesome and I screamed when I heard Arcadia, on the other hand, I don't really like this because they are just too human-like... this is too simple for the Time War, this looks like they could be just advanced humans, and Arcadia should have been a planet, not just a city on Gallifrey... it should have been BIGGER.
...Yeah, I still have very, very mixed feelings about the whole 50th package.
What do you expect them to be like? They're Time Lords, like the Doctor. They look like the Doctor does.
MurrayTheMac
Um, I was not talking about appearance, I was taking about culture and behavior and ability. This, and the rest of what we saw, just looks like a normal space-age battle. They should not call that a Time War. What I imagined was more like chaos that cannot be perceived by human eyes - timelines tangled, multiple paradoxical versions of the same battle being replayed as they go back and try to change things sothe outcome benefits them, breaking all of their own laws of Time, paradox machines and reapers and warfare relying on bombs that twist time, creating pockets of slow-time and acceletared time where the difference kills you when you step through it, unless you are capable of creating your own time field like a trained Time Lord... "at its heart, millions die every second, lost in bloodlust and insanity. With time itself resurrecting them, to find new ways of dying over and over again. A travesty of life." Multiple deaths of the same person stretched out over parallels existing at the same time, "Never-were", whose planets of origin had already been wiped from existence so they could never have been born and yet they still linger as vengeful echoes... That's what I expect. I expect Time Lords to be more alien than advanced humans, cause they are not human at all. Think how diverse Earth culture is, even now, not to mention throughout the ages - and Time Lords have nothing to do with humans.
EmeraldWings90 None of that stuff was depicted when Daleks and Time Lords battled each other in old Doctor Who, so why would they suddenly start doing it now?
Time Lords have been depicted on-screen many, many times. What we saw there was not in conflict with their previous representations.
MurrayTheMac
Because it would be awesome? And because they hinted at it?
I don't know, my expectations were just a bit higher. This is just a personal opinion. And I know they have been depicted before, and while I have not seen all of Classic Who, what I have seen of them there seemed a bit more alien than this - they were excessively formal and haughty, for example. And even that seems to be missing here. So I do think this was in conflict with their previous representations a bit - maybe not in fact, but in spirit.
EmeraldWings90 The Council of Gaillifrey were always presented as being formal and haughty, and they still are in the new series ... the Council seen in The End of Time definitely is. Normal Time Lords have never been portrayed as having to follow that mold though. Romana, for one, was never particularly stuck up or haughty. And remember we're seeing your average soldier instead of the leaders of the Time Lords.
The disappointment you're feeling is because of something you built up in your own head, and it's a bit unfair to say they failed just because they didn't meet your unrealistic expectations.
Thanks for the nightmares
"It's a bird, but pretend it's a Dalek"
...That's no bird.
'I was there at the fall of arkadia, some day I might actually come to terms with that!'
Boy that guy who was all “It’s not a premonition” sure ran for cover as soon as that Dalek showed up. He showed up later, alive, in The Day Of The Doctor after Arcadia had, for all intents and purposes, fallen and the Doctor showed up
1 Dalek=Destroy Most Protected City of Galifry. 1 Doctor=Millions and Billions of Daleks Destroyed. Therfore 1 Doctor=Billions of Millions of Gallifrys destroyed.
"By fighting on the front line. I was there at the fall of Arcadia"
-The Doctor S1 E6 Dalek
Actually, the Doctor said that in Doomsday, 13th and final episode of Series 2.
Years later, my heart still absolutely sinks when the Dalek Army appears behind the first Dalek
Its true, that's the safest place on gallifrey. that just doesn't mean much when you have a billion Daleks coming in. Its like how there's a safest space to be in a field of landmines. But you're still in a field of landmines.
Even in Gallifrey these Vlogers spread!
I played the New Soldier in this minisode, good fun to film with a great crew. Hope all enjoyed!
Join in line with the four others that said that without evidence.
@@NathanWubsthe joke is that nobody played the new soldier. It's a camera that's all.
The reasons why the Time Lords had such a hard time fighting the Daleks despite having the most advanced technology in the universe is because their weapons and defensive technological advancements lagged behind some other races and species.
Although, to be fair, they were WAY ahead in every other aspect of science and technology! That's how they survived as long as they did in the war.
I see them losing just like the Ancients lost to the Wraith in Stargate. They won every battle but the Daleks kept on comming until the Time Lords lost the war.
Fynov I can agree with this sentiment but the portrayal of the whole thing was awful. Didnt look like the Time Lords put up any sort of resistance at all.
TheAlchymist Well this was the last day and the doctor knew that the Time Lords have used everything at the daleks and that they have no hope so he was forced to use the moment before the time lords do something stupid which they did in the end of time. The Time Lords simply most likely ran out of resources and the war went on for ages so there must've been some resistance. Just the fact that a billion billion daleks was too much and when you destroy some they just make some more daleks. They had no chance.
Illusionz Man Running out of resources? We're talking TIME LORDS. We're talking people who tamed exploding stars for their ships. From the Ninth Doctor and the Tenth Doctor we've heard how bloody this war got, you can see it in them how brutal it was and the episode 'The End of Time' they said the Time Lords went dark unleashing things that should not have been free to reign to win this war. 'The Night of the Doctor' mini-episode made me think "Oh god, the Time Lords were really out of control. Burning the Universe alongside the Daleks." and then it was just weak... All we got is the invasion of the Daleks and how one Dalek could destroy a Gallifreyan city which just sounds RIDICULOUS! What this basically shows is that Daleks are superior to Time Lords which I'm just not impressed with.
1:08 kind of reminds me of the sliders.
You like doctor who ?!?
Maybe this is part of the mess they see everything
This was excellent.
I honestly wish we had a full first-person Doctor Who episode.
That would be cool maybe they could use one of those micro camera and hide it on the doctor himself and then the only time you see him its whenever he looks in the mirror . And they could also have the doctor narrate the whole thing. And bring back jelly babies because they seem to be very fond of them at one point.
Christopher Brehe, if the Torchwood series really is canon, then they could use the Eye-5, a contact-lens with a camera that interfaces remotely with a computer.
+CaptainGrumpy Series 9 is going to have a found-footage episode. :)
JJ Pryer I know, I'm so excited
They did such a good job building up to this! Can't waint until I have more free time!
Today at 19.50 GMT over 500 million Whovians from over 80 countries will gather. Actors, Musicians, Footballers, CEOs and even The Queen herself will witness this milestone, this achievement in British Television and Culture. This is The Moment, this is The Day of The Doctor.
This would have been cool as a video game, give the player really easy tasks and then an unwinable challenge.
God, those Daleks looked awful.
Well, minisodes don't tend to get a lot of funding from the beeb. Including the creation of realistic models.
What I never understood is why 'one Dalek' would be enough to destroy an entire Time Lord city.
"We're the best defended place on Gallifrey, but not a man among us can hit an eye stalk and our weapons produce less explosive yield than 20th Century Earth tech. One Dalek would flatten us."
They make the statement so pointedly, and so often. You can't help but think it would have made much more sense for the soldiers of Arcadia to be overconfident, and perhaps even...a little bored?
"Don't worry recruit, this is the safest place on Gallifrey. The Dalek fleet? Oh, it's up there - they attack us, day after day, but almost nothing gets through a sky trench. Nothing in HISTORY has ever gotten through two, and we've got 400 of them. I hope you joined up to make beds and polish boots - the truth is, I doubt you'll ever see real combat.
- - -
Would you look at that! One of the monsters actually made it! Must have tried some kind of temporal shift and got lucky... Everyone, to the heavy artillery - one of you gets to shoot something today! 100 credits to the soldier who brings it down!"
THEN, you do the reveal of the rest of the swarm, and the cheering and the excitement turn to panic as they realize the trenches have fallen. The bored soldiers who a moment ago were wishing for some excitement now face this horrifying reality. It just makes so much more sense to me in terms of Time Lord capability.
And the fall of Arcadia begins
THIS is the kind of shit that made me a Moffat fan in the first place! We need scary Moffat back for Series 8.
I actually like how the Time War's final days weren't anything grand and majestic like the rest of it, just one final effort. It really underlines the futility and stupidity of the entire war. It's just another planetary invasion and destruction, at the cost of most of the universe.
I'm watching Doctor Who since 2017. It was a 10th series. I thought that I have seen all doctor who content that can be possible to see, but this one is like the brand new for me. First time watching
I originally couldn't take the daleks that seriously because of their design but after seeing how stong they are and the level of destruction they're capable of I can understand why people are scared of them.
That was amazing! Sure, the CGI Dalek model is a little off, but still a great insight into a day of the Time War!
idk how many times i jumped out of fear in the past 3 minutes and 41 seconds
1:08 What the HECK?????
The Time Lords have gone from an all powerful civilization when they were first introduced with the Second Doctor, to nothing more than humans with a little bit of neuro-tech. Even if you argue that these may have just been Gallifreyans and that Time Lords are the upper class, the Time Lords should easily have predicted this and teleported the Daleks away. Or even destroyed them with the infinite power they posses with the eye of harmony.
Remember that the Daleks also have Time Lord technology at this point in history, so it's likely they have a ridiculous number of counter-measures, not to mention the fact that these "sky trenches" are likely war-time manifestations of the highest levels of Time Lord technology anyway.
If the Time Lords could do that to Daleks I think they would have won the time war. Remember the Daleks have tech just as good as the Time Lords 1 lone Dalek can take over a planet millions don't bare thinking about. And remember the Time Lords are peaceful race I doubt they would have had enough time to come up with effective weapons against Daleks.
The Daleks were almost as advanced as the Time Lords by this point but were also much more numerous and bloodthirsty. The Timelords by their nature weren't initially all that into weapons tech so they started off with a disadvantage and were already losing by the time they had found the will to really fight. Plus the Daleks had continued to advance scientifically so this makes sense if you remember that Time lords aren't humans, they are far more removed from their animal natures than we are. If we had that kind of technology we would have come up with at least a dozen different ways to neutralize them before they even started their first attack but Time Lords don't think like us.
The Tiumelords were sworn to never interfere with universal events, the Daleks on the other hand had been preparing to invade Galifrey for a long time and even mastered the technology of the deathsmiths.
It is known that the TimeLords don't mind interfering with the Daleks. This is shown by the episode Genesis of the Daleks. They want the Doctor to stop their creation, or make them kinder.
this feels like the start of a time lord first person shooter... which i'm totally down for despite how shit i am at first person shooters.
There's 1000% chance that I'm gonna bawl my eyes out at the final episode for Eleven.
Oh my God. I know it sounds stupid, but I'm actually crying. It was only his first day...
looks almost like the Time Lords were building their own versions of Daleks ( or Cybermen ) or at least super - soldiers before the fall.
"I was there at the fall of Arcadia. Someday I might even come to terms with that." I am bursting out of my skin waiting for day of the doctor!
"i was there at the fall of Arcadia, someday i might even come to terms with that..."
yeah John Hurt is the Doctor who sealed them all together in the time lock
I'm guessing that the Moment took down all the defenses on both sides.
man the Time War could have it's own show
True. Lot of stuff we still don't know
I guess it would set up too many ripples in the past series but I was expecting the Time Lords to have a bit more of a majestic syntax. These dudes sound like they're showing you round Tesco.
Might've been even more effective if you heard an echo of "EXTERMINATE" as the sound of static sets in.
"don't be silly, those aren't premonitons. we are timelords, trust me"
Pretty sure you should never trust a Timelord :)
Oh my gosh.. I think I will perceive Doctor Who a lot differently now.. cx. The idea of this little mini episode is a great one though. I could imagine it being a game, a different story line that's parallel to the course of the Doctor's, or even a whole series its self! 👌
I actually really liked this!! #savetheday
this is just the opening to every modern first person shooter ever made.
Very late, but this would make for a perfect DW Videogame.
THIS IS AWESOME
Oh my Gallifrey, this needs to be a video game!
My thoughts are simple on how they got through. Going through a sky trench for a dalek would take 10000000000000/1 odds. So getting through two would mean that only a fraction of the survivors could get through. But then, it only takes a single cell of dalek DNA to make a new dalek. You could grow a full on dalek, take each of it's cells apart, and make another billion or so, go about with this for about a month and you've got enough to get one dalek through.