Military Intervention, Politics, and the Birth of Bangladesh
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- In this episode, Uzair talks to Shuja Nawaz about 1971 and the events leading up to the birth of Bangladesh. Shuja talks about the political, military, and economic crisis in what was then East Pakistan, the missed opportunities to politically settle the issue, and the disastrous military strategy deployed by Yahya and his cabal.
Shuja Nawaz, a native of Pakistan, was made the first director of the South Asia Center at the Atlantic Council in January 2009. He is currently a distinguished fellow at the Center.
A political and strategic analyst, Mr. Nawaz writes for leading newspapers and websites and speaks on current topics before civic groups, at think tanks, and on radio and television worldwide.
He was a newscaster and news and current affairs producer for Pakistan Television from 1967 to 1972 and covered the western front of the 1971 war between Pakistan and India.
He is the author of The Battle for Pakistan: The Bitter US Friendship and a Tough Neighbourhood (Penguin Random House, 2019 and Rowman & Littlefield 2020), and Crossed Swords: Pakistan, its Army, and the Wars Within (Oxford University Press 2008 and 2017).
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War from the Ground Up by Emile Simpson
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:20 Why is December 16 an important day?
6:20 Was 1971 the result of a political failure?
17:12 Bhutto, America, and Racism
36:50 Fallout of the surrender in Dhaka
44:16 Have we learnt anything from 1971?
48:27 What current crisis in Pakistan
57:38 Reading recommendations
As an Indian Bengali, I regularly watch Bangladeshi media. I come across so many stories/interviews of Leading Bangladeshi figures about 1971. They all would count the horror unleashed by Pak Army and how they fled to India to avoid being killed. There are stories where Pak army will simply knock at the door and take people away, and no one would ever get any trace of them again. In fact, they take pride in saying that they fled to India and contributed to their freedom struggle. I wish their stories could one day be translated to wider audience.
It was fall down of Pakistan but it is not fall of Dhaka. It was rise of Dhaka. Its fastest growing mega city in South Asia. Pakistan and Pakistan Army surrender in Dhaka in 16 Dec 1971 but Dhaka did not surrender. Pakistan was surrender both way politically and Militarily in Dhaka. Don't be emotional because East Bengal was never a part of Pakistan but it was a colony of Pakistan. Bengali people and East Bengal were treated as 3rd class citizen and burden of Pakistan. Pakistan never treated them as equal. East and West never were a brother, its a misconception of Pakistan and there were no brotherhood policy in Pakistan, Relation was like Owner and slave, Don't you know that from 1947 to 1971 Pakistan systematically took all the revenue and resources from east Bengal. After 24 years of partition why in 1971 East Bengal became as 2nd poorest part in the world. Still Pakistan doing same unhuman injustice with Baloch people in Baluchistan. So don't be emotional because its not just for you and its not suite for the people of Pakistan. Thanks God Bangladesh has been saved in 1971.Almighty Creator is a great planner. Otherwise Bangladesh would had been situation like as Baluchistan or Afghanistan. Pakistan should release the chief justice Humidor Rahman Report on 1971 war. Game of Throne among the Punjabis Army in Pakistan has been going on last 75 years, its a Great Show on the Earth only get to see in Pakistan, hope this will long for next 75 years. If the Grass look greener on the other side, Stop staring, Stop comparing ,Stop complaining, and Start watering the grass you are standing on ..**
Well sorry to say..but dhaka isn't the fastest growing megacity in South Asia it's one of them
Great analysis . All r proud of Bangladesh great progress in all fields . If Pakistan still had control of present day Bangladesh it surely would have created the situation like Afghanistan , Baluchistan and terrorism in Bangladesh .
Perfect
@@abhaypatel4292 @ you don’t have idea about dhaka now. It’s exceeding Malaysia and Singapore very soon.
I enjoyed watching your video. As an Indian living in the US I was surprised to find that a few highly educated young Pakistanis I knew were unaware of the events of 1971. Instead of catharsis and soul searching Pakistan chose to identify Indian evil design as the cause and never published Humidor Rahman Report to reveal all the misdeeds of their civil military establishment. East Pakistan army surrendered quickly, but they should have been tried for war crimes for killing civilians- mainly Hindus and all Awami league supporters. Blaming India for intervention in internal matters is easy, but the refugee crisis in India post military operations in East Pakistan is conveniently forgotten. Religious hatred created partition of India and ethic hatred created partition of Pakistan. Unless Pakistan learns from mistakes, more partitions will be in the offing.
Like the turks forget the genocide
Ah kinda.. wherever superiority becomes a factor population forget the genocide..like Americans forgot middle east
The day you publish the homodur commission report and place on trail the old generala and prosecute them for killing 100000 bangladeshis....then the country will turn a new page
If not it will limp ....
He intentionally skip bengali discrimination, he said india's invasion than said pakistan shoud attacked when india was unprepared ! How both possible, fact is pakistan air force cross intentional border and bombed Indian air bases.
If only more Pakistanis had a one-on-one with a Bangladeshi and understood the atrocities that the Pakistani Army committed, they'd personally start chitrolling each and every single soldier/general if they encountered one before them, especially if they had a single ounce of ghairat in their DNA.
To support Pakistan - US /UK PASSED A RESOLUTION AGAINST INDIA IN THE UN AND THREATENED WITH SANCTIONS.. INFACT THEY SEND THEIR FLEETS AGAINST INDIA
What is the point of doing these interviews if you are going to censor them.
93000 surrenders...🤣🤣🤣🤣
If blood is the price of independence then Bangladesh has paid the highest price in history. (The London Times 16th December 1971).🙏
Again a wrong picture - it was not kisinger or any us bureaucrat but INDIRA GANDHI SAID NO TO SAM MANEKSHAW AGAINST ADVANCEMENT OF WAR TO WEST PAKISTAN!!
An honest review of the events that led to the dismemberment of Pakistan. Shuja Nawaz and Uzair Younus have done a fantastic job of looking at the facts, leaving out any emotions related to this debacle. Hats off to both.
"December is the cruelest month".
I may not have seen 1971 but peshawer has scarred me and that alone makes for a horrible past.
Very Interesting discussion. Thanks to Shuja saheb and Uzair. Learned so much about 1971 and the fall of Dhaka.
Thankyou to two of you for a deep dive in history of failure and rise simultaneously
Marvellously mature conversation....
Nice to see you after a long Mr Nawaz Please keep well
Hey Uzair! Just curious, what sort of video call platform do you use? Video and audio on both sides is very nice and clear
Zoom. It’s not 4k quality but works quite well if both sides have a good external camera and mic
@@Pakistonomy
Bring Dr. Tajul Islam Hashmi, a renowned author of Many books.
Please offer us an discussion about Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.
Well I am a Bangladeshi and your well wisher.🤲🤲🤲🤲
Upload ur Episodes more frequently.
Sam Manekshah is a great general both defence minister,prime ministers were pushing him for war and he said you politicians are trained in politics and we soldiers are training in war,I stay in my turf and you in yours.
Separate muslim state was the demand of bengali Muslims west named it pakistan n later north indian muslim snatched that movements n Mughul came back.
W Pakistan is now Pakistan....not for long
Indian liberation of Bangladesh!
I love Shuja Nawaz sb but god he’s so monotonous! Very difficult to listen to his podcasts
Are you not aware of DECEMBER 14,1971? Are your crimes limited to the butchering of the general people of Bangladesh, all religions alike? When your generals and politicians realized that an unavoidable defeat was upon them, they created a list of Bengali intellectuals from all walks of life. They were the absolute best of us. And every one of them was martyred just two days before you surrendered. The heinous philosophy behind this was that it was to cripple our country to the degree that it collapses almost as soon as it was born. And God knows Bangladesh suffers for that loss even today! And here you are, completely bypassing the roles the brave hearts of our beloved MUKTIBAHINI had played in our liberation! Completely bypassing that from March to December of 1971, it was the guerrillas of MUKTIBAHINI who kept you on your toes until the Indian armed forces officially made an entry into the scenario! You still cannot wrap your heads around the fact that your defeat was to the MUKTIBAHINI and the general people of Bangladesh first and foremost.😄
So, you have surveyed a grand number of TWO people and concluded that our capacity to cooperate remains even after the GENOCIDE you carried out? Or do you keep going back to the PROXIES you nurture in our land and arrive at that same conclusion? I don't deny that there are certain sects that are extremely loud in the social media, who sympathize with Pakistan and because of their noise, they give the impression as though they make up most of us. However, do you realize that there are 18O MILLION of us as of today? The majority of the Bangladeshis want absolutely nothing to do with you and it is because of the ground realities they experienced at your hands, not the aftermath of decisions coming from the top. Remember Bangladesh has had pro-pakistani governments in the post-liberation years THRICE. If the general people were suffering from collective dementia and to the degree as you assume, then everything would have been perfectly cheery between us now. No government can hold back massive general will. Not at that level. The fact is, despite the noise and the attempts by your ISI to use the islamist bases that you fund to topple governments and create social disturbance in our land, Bangladesh has remained in tact and will continue to be so. The other fact is Bangladeshi Bengalis in general want absolutely nothing to do with you because for us life does not begin and end with religious biases. But would you get that? I am doubtful.
Must feel so satisfying for you Bangladeshis to be so far ahead than West i mean Pakistan nowadays even with their genocidal plans carried out. Kudos from a non South Asian.
Wealth sharing, that is the whole point of this "soul searching". If there was some kind of arrangement back then, then BANGLADESH could have easily been your PLAN-B, especially in these dyre times. 😄 And with the new and growing focus in the indo-pacific instead of south Asia, you regret losing that piece of LAND that gave you access to the Bay of Bengal 😄. By the way, there are no cultural similarities that we share with what was then West Pakistan. The fact that EAST BENGAL even opted to be a part of Pakistan was a temporary socio- political mishap that was going to correct its course one way or the other. In other words, East BENGAL was artificially turned into East Pakistan, which was never meant to last. Ethno-linguistically and regionally we were/are a part of INDIA. What you are referring to is a mere religious affiliation which we share with more than 5O other countries, not just you. But it means nothing. For us, humanity is above all else and we value all our people, not just some of us. And we see no reason to be chummy with those who tried to rid us of our identity. In general though, Bangladeshis are polite and humble and team-players. So, maybe that's why you fail to read us. We are fully aware of your motives even today. We just don't make it a point that we know all the time.