Islamism and the Making of Pakistan | Urdu Discussion
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- In this Urdu discussion, Uzair talks to Dr. Kamran Bokhari about his recently-published essay titled "The Long Shadow of Deobandism in South Asia." This essay is a must-read as it provides a long history about the rise of political Islam in the subcontinent and how it has shaped Pakistan.
Dr. Kamran Bokhari is Director of Analytical Development at the Newlines Institute. Dr. Bokhari is also a national security and foreign policy specialist at the University of Ottawa’s Professional Development Institute. Bokhari has also served as the Central Asia Studies Course Coordinator at U.S. Department of State’s Foreign Service Institute. He was a Fellow with the Program on Extremism at George Washington University (2016-18). Dr. Bokhari has also been a Senior Consultant with The World Bank since 2009. He has 15 years of experience in the private sector intelligence space during which he provided intellectual leadership in the publishing of cutting-edge geopolitical analysis & forecasts.
You can read the full essay here -newlinesmag.co...
Chapters:
2:00 Aurangzeb and the rising influence of the ulema
15:00 Colonization and the rise of Islamic revivalism
28:50 Struggle for independence
34:00 Doubling down on revivalism and ignoring modernization
44:20 The Zia era and the rise of Deobandism
1:00:30 What does the future entail for Pakistan?
1:07:30 Will Saudi reforms help Pakistan?
In india muslims are now coming forward in education..i live in kerala 10 or 12 yrs b4 i couldnt see a muslim girl studying in college near ma house but now i see only muslim girls...lol...but i like it ..only muslim women can bring moderate and liberal ideas....
@@AbdulSamad-jw6xq bro india thr are more than 20 crore muslims out of tht less than 100 people joined isis..so do u think its so many people??compare it to uk and other countries and take the percentage..i hope u understand...here our rules are strict govt is monitering radical groups or else u would see here a tlp or mujahaddin group taking guns..
Great discussion. Makes one sad looking back at our mistakes and losses. But your efforts just to enlighten the people with no selfish motive makes me hopeful for our country. You said in a discussion that even if you can influence one person you will consider it a victory. I wish you all the best. Thank you to you and your guest Dr Bokhari
28:08 - 28:40.
Bukhari ji encapsulates the grievance of Sanghis with Congress brand Secularism POST 1947 India. Marvellous.
Kudos to Uzair for calling this politics Hypocritical 👍
Quite an excellent and enlightening discussion, and thank you for sharing that brilliant essay. Stay blessed both of you.
Fatwa e Alamgiri is a Medieval 'Fascist' text.
It completely de humanizes Non Muslims and actively preaches to wage war and proselytize Islam to Non Muslims.
I would love to hear Uzair and Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed talk!
A brilliant discussion. Hats off to both and a special thanks to Dr Bokhari. I hope the policy makers and establishment of Pakistan pay attention to the importance of it. My best wishes to the people of the country.
You directly shifted from Mughal Empire to Britishers .
You didn't mentioned Maratha Empire . May be because you were never told about that in your history.
Maratha defeated the Mughals and confined them to just Delhi. Mughal agreed ro pay Marathas tribute for their protection too.
Britishers took India by defeating various sections of Maratha Empire ( that later got decentralised).
Panipat ki wajahse maratha ki takat bohot kam ho gayi iska fayda sikho or Britisher's ko mil gaya.
Enlightening discussion. Thanks for covering this topic.
It's wonderful to hear kamran shb
Thanks a lot, fo such an informative session
Iranian revolution was game changer. It changed KSA n Pakistan. Iranian Mullahs wanted to make Pakistan another Iran.
Fatwa-e-Alamgiri (set of laws to govern the sub-continent) written by Aurangzeb. Agar ulti na aaye padh kar to paise vapas.
aisa kia ha bhai
زبردست ❤️ well informed analysis
Those fatawa had modern foresight. Imagine someone discussing inheritance rights of intersex people in pre-modern world
Like the genetic roots of the Sufi scholar known as Rumi, the Uzbek legal genius behind the corpus Marghinani was a descendant of first Caliph of Islam.
Islam was invented 300 yrs aftr christianity...usually when time changes religions shuld be more refined but islam went backwards...parvez hoodboy also pointed out the same about muslim education prior partition and the fatwas which made them 2 do so...
@@SR-df9jd ohh really please explain the reason
Oversimplified (legitimized) Akbar's rule, Oversimplified Dara Shikhoh's execution (and the reasons)
While you may argue that it was Akbar who had Sufi backing,
But if you look closely you will find that it was Aurangzeb who had the Sufi backing, read Hazrat Sultan Bahoo's "Aurang Shahi", and how he calls Aurangzeb a "Pious Muslims" in his other books.
Your argument of using religion to legitimize one's rule could go both ways, for Aurangzeb and for Akbar as well, since Akbar too tried to appease his Hindu audience by adopting their customs and giving their religious leaders a spot in his court.
Also, whoever has any "misunderstandings" regarding Aurangzeb's life and rule, please read Audrey Trushke's Aurangzeb.
Once again grave oversimplification of jumping from Mughal rule to Britain's rule. There were Marathas, there were other "mutinies" there was Nadir Shah! Which all led to the downfall of the Mughals.
Oversimplification after Oversimplification.
he made mistakes throughout the interview...
Musalmano ka Zawaal aya Muft ki Ayyashi aur Jahilpan ki wajah se.
Irony is, even 2 centuries later Muslims think that Zawaal has happened because of diversion from Religion.
Guest researcher ne farmaya k "nahi anil munker" ka tulq Islam se nhi he, man made he. Agr ye quran khol k dekh lete to pata chal jata k kitni aayat hen is bare me per shiad ino ne iski zaroorat mahsus na ki.
Islam ki inko alif bay bhi nhi aati magr history ki research achhi he.
Thana Bhavan, not Thana Baban.
Anyhow, that part of Shamli and Baghpat districts is a total wasteland. Imagine, so near to the Capital of India and so far from any open mindedness and progress.
Good summary of Deobandi movement. Maybe something similar can be done for Barelvis as well? How it has come until TLP today?
The narrative is pushed in certain direction by cherry-picking facts that themselves are true but altogether miss the context. This is too large a period of history and frankly you have missed out the most important scholar Hazrat Mujaddad Alf Sani R.A. I believe either the author is misinformed or have misunderstood a lot of the facts.
I must appreciate a less rhetorical approach on the subject which at least tries to be objective.
Deobandi and Salafis aren't the same.
@5:00 Dr Bokhari said Maulana Maududi got his education from Deoband. He has never been to Deoband. He was self educated person.
I am wondering who buys Newsline and who read these peudo researchers.
It doesn’t seems like a slip of tongue.
Maulana Maudoodi received his early education in Hyderabad and later received tuition in Delhi from famous scholars Abdul Salam Nayazi, Ishfaqur Rahman Kandhevi and Sharif Ullah Khan.
Sorry, Maulana Maudoodi never studied at Deoband