How to Tighten a Loose Newel Post | Ask This Old House
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Ask This Old House carpenter Nathan Gilbert travels to a Sears kit house in Richmond, Virginia to tighten an old, loose stair railing.
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Time: 2-3 hours
Cost: $50
Skill Level: Moderate
Tools List for Tightening a Loose Newel Post:
Level [amzn.to/2GJ80Bc]
Drill driver [amzn.to/2RNofUq]
¾-inch Forstner bit [amzn.to/2RNobEa]
3/16-inch drill bit [amzn.to/2RIPsHM]
Japanese pull saw [amzn.to/2tkzD0w]
Framing square (optional) [amzn.to/36N2x6W]
Paint brush [amzn.to/38VgVeV]
Shopping List:
6-inch structural screws [amzn.to/37LJuLN]
2x4 scrap wood [amzn.to/2S6xZrD]
Shims [amzn.to/38YBoPU]
Painter’s tape [amzn.to/2UezvdO]
¾-inch wood dowel [amzn.to/2GHAVWq]
Wood glue [amzn.to/2ub5n8y]
Paint [amzn.to/2UcwYAT]
220 grit sandpaper [amzn.to/3aSW9ym]
Steps:
1. Start by identifying structural parts of the stair that could be used to attach additional fasteners from the railing to the stairs. The stringer is usually at least an inch thick on the edges of the stairs. Look for nail holes in the treads to help find it.
2. Plumb up the newel post by holding a level up to the side. Once it’s in the correct position, use a 2x4 or other piece of scrap wood against the wall and the post to hold it in that position. Place a few shims both on the wall and on the post in between the board to prevent it from scratching or damaging either surface.
3. Measure and mark the location for the screws, ensuring that they will hit the stringer when screwed in.
4. Drill into the post from the front using a Forstner bit a few inches in to act as a countersink to hide the head of the screw.
a. Nathan recommends measuring and marking the desired depth ahead of time with a little bit of painter’s tape on the drill so it’s easier to determine when to stop drilling.
5. Using the 3/16-inch drill bit, drill into the hole just created by the Forstner bit, through the post, and into the stringer. This will help prevent the screw from splitting the wood once it starts driving in.
a. Nathan recommends using a framing square against the post and the drill bit to ensure you’re drilling straight.
b. Like before, measuring and marking the depth on the drill bit with some painter’s tape can be really helpful here.
6. Drill the structural screws into the post.
7. Apply wood glue to the ¾-inch dowel and use it to plug up to the two holes left behind from the screws.
8. Cut the dowels so that they are flush with newel post using a Japanese pull saw.
9. Lightly sand the dowels until they’re smooth against the post.
10. Paint over the dowels so they blend in with the rest of the post.
Resources:
Everything Nathan used to tighten up the stair railing, including the drill, screws, hammer, bungs, and touch up paint, can all be found at home centers.
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How to Tighten a Loose Newel Post | Ask This Old House
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5:36 "Looks good" "Thanks"
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I can only think of Christmas Vacation.
*chainsaw
FIXED THE NEWEL POST!
Exactly. Clark's fix was much faster.
I learned what a newel post *was*, thanks to Christmas Vacation.
That’s the only reason I clicked on this video. If he doesn’t reference that I will dislike this video.
@@TommyT777 Same here, I knew the internet wouldn't let me down!
😂😂😂
Finally this old House did a full job
00:05 when I get home and gotta poo.
lol
LOL....
I'm so happy to see the next generation of This Old House. It's a dream of some to be on This Old House.
Live the dream.
Nice work.. not sure what the kitchen before, but wow they did a fantastic job on that
The first thing i do when i enter a strangers home is run into their living room bypassing any normal interactions and mentioning an "aggressive" idea someone had in the past!
And here i was thinking i was the only one
Remind me which national TV show you’re on? :-D
Great fix! Worked perfectly for my home. Thank you
I can still see the patch. I would’ve used some wood filler then sand it down again before painting.
Glad this guy got the job. He used to be a Seabee in the Navy. Hoorah.
No no no!!! Tom Silva does this stuff.
No-one else!
This is outrageous!!
😆
Hi TOH , I like that Nathan Gilbert , I think he did a good job fixing this Newell post for this couple !! 👍😀🛠
OK he got the job done but I want my Nostalgic Old Guys.
Millenial homeowners, millenial expert - meh.
dalesworld very boring
You guys need to deal with it. The world keeps turning and you could nothing do against it.
Essenkiller if it works, leave it alone.
@@Essenkiller Tommy would have found a hidden solution. What if that newel post was in it's original varnish finish? Drilling into it wouldn't have been an option. The kid didn't even look at what was happening in the basement and perhaps he could have stiffened it up from there.
Nice Denali pickup! Kind of high-end for a work truck :)
Obviously paid product placement. And the camera conveniently doesn't change until after they show the power running boards.
GMC has been sponsoring TOH for 20 years.
Real good fix I like the plan of attack on making the repair.. good job.
Nice fix, but what also could be added, is to separate the post just a 1/32nd and inject some wood glue with a glue needle, then put the screws in. We also inject Tight Bond glue or epoxy into each baluster, top and bottom through a very small drilled hole that can basically be filled after with a drop of paint.
Travelled hundreds of miles to put in two screws..
knowledge is the reason they came
the previous attempts to fix it and failed so it's not 2 screws but the knowledge where to position those 2 screws is why they came out there to them
He put his truck + TOH trailer on the airplane?
@@mrassasin1707 any local contractor or handyman would know where to put those 2 screws, this is Tv not reality
@@pipedope329 well.. Thats the point of this show is to show others how to do those things
Dedicated
How do you go about doing this job when there is a space between the newel and the riser? I do not have access to the underside of the steps to remove the newel.
You guys talking about how bad of a job it was, and im over here thinking how lucky the guy is. Micah is so demm beautifull!! The way she shook the guys hand, shows how happy she was with the job!! 👌
Mr_zeetino the body language from Micah was insane, totally jumped off the screen for me. That handshake was something wasn't it?
You could see how happy she was from the getgo. So yeah beautifull human!!
So I've got a similar problem but it's on a straight piece at the top of the stairway. There is no riser to drill into. How do I tighten that up?
Tommy did one of those a while back. ua-cam.com/video/Ou2Q7LyqZzU/v-deo.html
Those are thought to tighten up.
Shows up on the job with a full-sized quad cab and a covered trailer. Needs a drill, some screws and a bit of paint ;-). Also, I would cap the two holes rather than plug them, in case someone needed to tighten those 6-in screws fifty years from now.
Oh look, another unemployed cheeto dust covered "expert" commenting on a TOH vid. You shitbird
I dont care what happens 50 years from now. Let them figure it out.
Right! Totally could have done that job with the crap in my gun cleaning .50 caliber ammo can!
@@bigvegass
Wow,
That’s a positive and encouraging comment. I guess you’re one of those godless liberals 🙄
@@MrWhitelightning73 Liberals do want more freedom so I hope we're all liberals.
Tommy must be nearby because that's his expensive driver Nathan is using. lol
Remodels entire kitchen.. can’t tighten a loose stair rail.. 🤔
Right? Heck, owns a house and can't tighten a loose stair rail???
@@nimbly1693 Because they can, it's scripted for an educational video
do you think that guy made that kitchen by himself? XD
🤣🤣🤣 these comments are unforgiving
*Hires someone to remodel entire kitchen
What about if you don’t have/want that block of wood there?
He's doing it all wrong, no moustache, no white hair and no Werther's originals. I bet he wasn't even born in 1927.
Tom Silva was born in 47 you newb
that was super cool, u would have to know how that stairs was designed, I would have guessed tack down to the step vs screwing into the riser above the stair, cool stuff!
Micah's body language towards Nathan was crazy, that handshake at the end was something else. Felt like I was watching the opening scene of a porno! lol 😂
3:50 look at that in and out action. I bet he's got a lot of practice on Micah!
Nathan's always ready for adventure with those zip away pants to shorts.
That kitchen looks great, that garden and drain pipe however looks like a dump. I bet the order out all the time. THat kitchen is totally underused.
Thanks!
Would have been interesting to see a fix sans the spacer block.
That's my situation. Was hoping to see that...
Was this Tom Silva’s apprentice
"...yeah!..."
1:04 Sounds like the Spider-Man slap meme
If Tom Silva ever goes missing he’s probably in this dude’s basement
If Tom ever goes missing, check MY basement first!
Some will say when Norm slowed down it was all over, but TOH bounces back and this former apprentice will carry on for a new generation.
Nice job
One gallon paint for one Touch up lol 😂
😂😂
Meanwhile I'm buying a sample to square off a wall.
So how did he secure the alignment pieces? She said it was plumb while he's holding loose pieces, then next shot it's just suspended. I was expecting to see tape or clamps or something.
@DR PHIL, the post was quite loose, and I didn't see anyone putting pressure on it, have my question. I, too, think it a good idea.
@@Outsideville The pressure comes from the wood brace he put in between the wall and the post. Once it's in place as long as nobody messes with it the post isn't going to move.
I see the kitchen still has the 1927 Sears Beauty-tone hospital green paint. 😁
Bro I just painted my kitchen cabinets that exact color! Hahaha
Alec Minnick oh, I’m sure it looks pretty slick at your place 😇
This guy learnt this from Tommy Silva. I just watched him do a similar repair. Gorilla glue everything
Gorilla glue ain't all it's cracked up to be. Tight-Bond 3 exterior is the way to go. All the balusters should have been pre drilled using a 1/32nd drill and injected with glue, same with the bottom post. Still, a pretty good fix !
Of course he did, he’s Tommy’s son.
Scott Oliver that I didn’t know. Thanks!!!
Hé is Almost running to the house in the beginning. Missing the old guys
Someone said he had to poo.
That's good but what about a newel post at the top of the stair where there is no stringer in the right position to fix to?
Richard Martin I had that one go out. It was originally just toenailed to the floor. I used a big step-bit to create an entry hole and a long bit like theirs for the pilot. But I had to drill downwards through the post, through the flooring layers, and into the floor joist below. I did the 3 free sides (baluster in the way on the 4th side). Each was a different angle. Lots of futzing to get the angle of each hole right. Because of the steep angle we used the step-bit, btw.
Now for the rest of the story: The guy I had hired helping me was named Dave. His former boss (the team that insulated my attic) called him Dangerous Dave because he just made you so uneasy to be around. I always made sure to never irritate him. One day a few years later, I read about a guy killing his girlfriend and leaving her body laying in the kitchen. Her boy discovered her when he got home from elementary school. That was in Seattle. They picked up Dangerous Dave in the Woodburn area, south of Portland, a few days later. He had no remorse. She pissed him off.
Yeah! Yeah!
My god, Micha is absolutely gorgeous!
Great job
So how do you fix a banister and post that was installed in the 1860's that still has the original staining on it?
What type of screws, paint color and supplies were used for this project?
That what lcall it...perfect.
The stocker couple… ya!
Hey there
Nice pawg
You should use a drill with more power. That festool drill is weak. Even the pdc festool drill would be much better.
Postives:
The new guy got the whole job done.
Knowledgeable.
Negatives:
He lacks charisma.
@DR PHIL well go teach him, guy! You've been on TV a long time!
@DR PHIL that's how you get the corona virus.
@DR PHIL you're not Chinese.
How would you fix a round post that cannot be attached anything as the balusters surround it?
What happens if someone’s already done this, and it’s loose again…?
My wobbly post is not attached to a riser. Need ldeas please.
Who's the new guy?
Missing Tom
That's Tom Silva after they sent him through the Enterprise transporter and he got young again.
He's the NEW GUY ???
How do I fix one that is freestanding (at edge of last step) and not flush with the floor?
I know Festool are amazing tool.. But god they look awful!
Hi, what diameter Forstner Bit and how deep do you go? And are what thread size on the structural screws? Thanks!
Quick version please saves me skipping loads
Any tips for a railing that goes into an angled trim, alongside the steps? Only place to secure seems to be from the bottom if I remove the angled trim under the railing posts....
You mean angled handrail / baluster?
Theres a 7/16" allthread under that 1/8" piece of skin in between each picket...
No Christmas vacation references?
This guy is no Tom Silva
Where’s the personality, the humour ??
If this is the future of ToH then I want no part of it.
Why did Kevin O'Connor's son Nathan,
change his last name to Gilbert ?
(LOL).
When he walked in he just walked right to the fireplace.. Weird
Millennials make my brain hurt.
Please don't group me with this guy because the year he was born. There's plenty of boomers and Xers just as useless as him
Why is everybody wearing safety goggles?
Difference between the new guys and the old guys. The new guys know what happened to all the folks that didn't use safety equipment, so they are going to work safer.
“Safety first.” As in “Safety before reason.”
Please what is tha name of that work pants
Perfect 😂
She has no idea of how much paint to put on that brush
She didn't need much paint all I see is a arm chair contractor
Yeah buddy from work from
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Actually, this is terrible. These old stairs often arent even made with stringers.
Even if they were, that triangle is long since old and dead, popped off like a nacho, causing all sorts of squeaks.
If not before, definitely after the use of a lower newel post anchor......
But once that 3 hours of trying prove to do a LOT of durkin around more than those toenailed 12p nails.... you can just pull a couple stair tread or risers off and make some blocking and glue all the stairs around the entire base to be solid as heck!
Should have put down painters tape over the dowel and use a sharp knife to cut in the gap around the dowel to mask a perfect paint mask. And done a better job of matching the paint to the existing paint. What they had was way off and it was very noticeable even in the wide shot. Two small circles of a slightly different color would have been less noticeable.
Also that paint was not prepped properly. Should have primed the bare wood and (to the extent they were painting over existing enamel) used a deglosser or sanded the entire front of the block. And a lot of old trim paint is oil. If that was oil paint that mismatched paint they glopped on will peel right off.
Next time, maybe you can do the job for them?
What’s with the new gallon of paint when the lid holds enough for the dowel heads?
Was that house really $2600? Is that the actual price back when it was built 100yrs ago??
Prices were very different back then to now especially in 1960 when my grandfather bought his house it was only $25,000
Joe Stacks actually after inflation $2500 in 1920s is equivalent to about $30,000. Imagine getting a 6 bedroom house for $30,000.
you're only getting the material package for that price. a 1200ft house now would be around 18000
uhhhhNick It wasn’t 6 bedrooms, just “six rooms”. Still feels like a good deal. I wish my colonial had 10’ ceilings.
@@uhhhhNick according to an online inflation calculator 2900 is ~40,000 (2019 dollars).... and I think that was the price shipped to the home site, you still have to pay someone to put it together.lets say that is 5,000 in 1920 dollars. In addition in many current real estate markets the land itself is probably appraised at twice or even three times the value of the "house parts". Since the location is unknown, i would say this is the equivalent of somebody buying a current house for about $200,000. Which in many US markets the Sears houses still sell for under that price, Peoria, Little Rock, Tulsa.
TL,DR The idea that housing was considerably cheaper during earlier generations is ludacrious.
Both wife and husband left handed
Still shaky….
Dam beat me to it lol.
Great drill! lmao
Makes my Craftsman drill look like a screwdriver. Lol.
What kind of junk drill is that?
@@Kevin-mp5of is it a good drill? Looks like something you give ur kid to play with.
@@Brad55102 Looks like this one, which Tommy also uses constantly, so it's probably very suitable for carpentry work: www.festoolusa.com/products/drilling-and-screwdriving/cordless-drills/574736---c-18-li-basic-usa#Overview
Brad I was thinking I'd never make any money using that thing!
This was so awkward
So was Kevin when he joined TOH. It takes time for the new members to feel at ease.
I can see that "This Old House" is phasing out the old guys and phasing in the new guys. It's a new day and age. It saddens me to see that the original guys are fading off into the sunset. SMH ..
Well, Rodger has cancer and not really in good health for the show and tom silva is a lot older. He's looking to retire. There not phasing them out, a lot of them just physical cant do hat they used to do.
LENOVOVO The entire show will be fading off into the sunset with this cast
@@freedomsjohnson3241 I'm not use to it either but give it some time. I think they will eventually do better and we'll get use to them.
The fellas we grew to love can’t work and live forever. They’ve earned their retirement and the new folks will fill their shoes as much as possible.
I’m not opposed to change, it’s inevitable. But let’s face it, we tune in for info AND to be entertained. These newbies aren’t cutting it. I mean did you guys see that stoned faced mono toned electrician a couple of weeks ago? Come on man! Bring back Scott Caron.
Fixed the newel post!
ua-cam.com/video/0IcFNiNDb8E/v-deo.html
Where's Tommy????
Atlantis
Where's the original guy at,that does these shows?
Atlantis?
@@LongHuII I can't remember his name.sorta short bald headed guy.
The original folks have been with the show since it started in the late 70's. They are getting old.
Well - he should had lightly driven some shim material in the gap between the post and tread....then installed the screws
Or use INVIS magnetic bolts
They are brand new
Amazing product
He must be running late or needs to pee
Tom
Gal of paint? Not even match?
The real question everybody wants to know is " who is Newell and how did he get so loose?".
#pinksock
#dudesdaddystitch
Obviously Scripted.
And a 1000 yeah later
They did not primer. Over the next couple months it’s going to flash and look odd
Really, That's what you're worried about ?, lol !
I’m sorry this new generation of TOH is how shall I say, lacking in personality. I’ll stick to the re runs.
This is his first season, he has to get into it. Compare the old guys to when they were first on the show. Mr. Plumber Man didn't even talk, his dad was running the plumbing!
Freedom's Johnson ok boomer
The Mrs. is cute.
Wife....right... we all know that's his sister
Nope don’t like! Dude just walks in the door n walks around like he owns the place. N they could’ve just gone on UA-cam for a job like that! Come to my house I have a full season for u guy!