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Star Citizen Dual Stick Setup Guide - Virpil Alpha and Delta - Keybinds Tips and Tricks
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- It's time to look at the keybindings for controls in Star Citizen again. We'll focus on a dual stick (HOSAS) setup with pedals here and go through all the keybindings for Ships, Ground Vehicles, on Foot and EVA.
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
2:16 Setup Explanation and Theory
5:25 Vehicles - Seats and Operator Modes
7:50 Vehicles - Cockpit
10:40 Dual Sticks - Flight - Movement
15:20 Speed Limiter and Demonstration
20:40 Acceleration Limiter Analog Brake Lever
25:00 Landings With Acceleration Limiter
28:05 Flight - Movement
31:29 Flight - Quantum Travel and Docking
33:02 Vehicles - Targeting
39:20 Targeting - Lead Lag Toggle Demonstration
40:09 Target Cycling
43:54 Flight - Radar and Scanning
45:57 Vehicles - Mining
47:09 Bindings - Turrets
51:00 Vehicles - Weapons
54:29 Vehicles - Missiles
55:21 Shields and Countermeasures
58:41 Power Triangle Assignment
1:01:58 Combat Demonstration
1:08:58 Flight - Power
1:10:10 HUD - Flight
1:12:01 On Foot Controls
1:15:14 EVA Controls
1:16:55 Head Tracking Hold and Auto Center
1:20:50 Analog Movement on Foot Example
1:23:20 EVA Analog Movement Example
1:24:35 Takeoff and Data Center Attack
1:28:29 Data Center Eviction Analog FPS Example
1:35:11 Door and Landings
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currently 3d printing my first control panel and i blame the channel and so does my wife :-)
My apologies :P
Dude I had to leave a comment. I stumbled across this video on my TL probably because I just got into SC. You cockpit or whatever it’s called in the flight sim world is fucking cool. That’s what you call dedication. Very cool.
Thanks! Glad you like it.
I never considered using the throttle analog sticks for fps combat.
That’s pretty clever.
hey i just have to say as someone that is just getting into space and flight sims that your videos have been great, i havnt come across any other vids as simple to understand and straight to the point as yours and have helped me decide on how i want to set up controls in my limited space
I just have to say your setup is WILD. After much deliberation on the topic, you have convinced me to get a dual stick setup. I have been on the fence, playing mouse + keyboard, but I read the dual Thrustmaster 16000M is good for the money and have found a good Star Citizen setup guide. Thanks again for the inspiration!
I'm probably four months too late, but if you're going to spend the money on dual T16000M's the honest recommendation is to save up a little more for dual VKB Gladiator NXT EVO's with the Space Combat Grip instead. Not only are the materials better quality overall, the points of "failure" are easily fixed as the Premium Edition has replacement springs and VKB's support is out of this world with how quick they are to get replacement parts shipped to you.
Different story if you're living in the UK, obviously.
My guy I saved your video from 2020 on this subject until I got my own virpil's.....I got them and started watching your old video then noticed you had this one! Gonna watch both to soak up the info. Thanks for making these!
Glad you like them, and I guess this one was good timing for you then!
Same here. I just got vkb’s but the ideas help
dude thats unreal, and this has given me some good ideas for my set up. thank you!
So cool. Thanks for your inspiration. Im using classic-HOMAS and love the analog movement but your setup kicks ass. Virpil sticks are also my next step.
Thanks!
Your Channel should be Huge dude. Good job and amazing setup you have there.
Glad you think so, appreciate it!
This is Amazing 😮 Thanks…. You need to show us how you set this all up.
Whenever I can't sleep , I play this. I know how to setup some controls if I ever make the jump to joystick. Great video though, and I love your setup.
Glad I can help cure your insomnia. :)
You modern space/flight sim kids get all the cool toys we old grizzled veterans could only dream of in the Dos/9x era
Edit to add
I love my G13, been great for hotkeys on the Xwing series. I'm currently brainstorming how to convert a Wingman force3d with worn out forcefeed back/centering spring system into a Hotas throttle addon to myG13
How do you make the minijoy pull double duty as a hat in the virpil software?
NM got it:
In the Virpil software with the Constellation Alpha loaded:
Go to the axis tab
double click the Rx axis
Check the 0-20 check box and 80-100 check box and click save
repeat for the Ry axis
click save to device and wait for the device to be reloaded
go to the button tab
In the lower left of this screen look at the button locations and scroll to the bottom
Note the physical button numbers
in the button assignment list select the first unassigned button and type in the physical button assignments for the Ry and Rx ranges for the first four unassigned buttons clicking save for each one.
Click save to device at the top of the software.
Yup, that's it.
Thank you thank you thank you a million times thank you for being so in depth.
Thank you for posting this video 🎉. You have a new subscriber. Keep up the great work 🎉. Dam amazing work of art 🖼️.
I’ve invested into 2 extra monitors that aren’t that good, 2 flight sticks and mounts, dreamview monitor lights, and an eye tracker just for SC and I ask myself every time I play when I’m going to regret all that money I spent.. then I see something like this and I feel better lol
Don’t get me wrong. Setup is sick and I’m sure translates to other flight sims relatively easily, and I still love the game and await its release in all its developed and optimized glory, but I didn’t spend half as much as a lot of other citizens haha
Nice setup.
I might have to break out my Swiftpoint Z mouse and try the HOTAM setup for on-foot.
It has a tilt feature, an accelerometer, a gyroscope, pressure-sensor main buttons and plenty of extra buttons.
Especially learning is great with it.
Always admire and appreciate these vids!
Hope they continue to help!
Damn ive just purchased a set of virpils, this video couldn't be better timed, though they'll probably not arrive for months.
Cool overview. I kind of do something similar on HOTAS then HOSAS. Left stick is translational strafes and accessory actions, right is rotational axis and combat/target interactions. For my CH and new VKB setup I doubled up the landing gear/auto land buttons like the KB default does and did the same with docking mode/auto dock. Tap is the mode/gear toggle and holding is the auto land/dock. For now you can only initiate docking mode while the merlin has the connie targeted and is approved while large ships with stations auto starts it after ATC gives docking clearance and marks a port. I only have a hammerhead so I have not tried the docking camera out but imagine its useful on side dock ports like the 890j.
I do the space sim thing and fly goofy foot with yaw on the stick and had roll on HOTAS pedals. Once I got the dual VKB sticks I got rid of pedals and use twist roll but a large part of that and having yaw on stick was the CH pedals. They are built like tanks but not comfortable for long space dogfighting where yaw is more useful than a real plane plus CH is very low sensitivity at 8bit making it as imprecise as just using the KB. In regular flight sims the CH works fine for its purpose but didn't cut it for SC.
I am mulling getting the VKB pedals because they tag along with either stick for free and not a separate device to the OS/SC. I want to leave 2 HOTAS slots open for my custom control panels. I will be using 2 microcontrollers as USB inputs and they will have secondary controls independent of the OS for some lighting control and way to virtually rewire some controls without the OS knowing it to make virtual layers or game profiles. I am trying to use MCs without shim software like vjoy or JS gremlin to see if its doable.
Yeah for simplicity sake if you can avoid VJoy and Gremlin it is a lot cleaner. That sounds like a good idea for the pedals.
This gave me an idea - dual Virpil Constellation Apha's (Prime) with the z-extension on both.
It’s a good idea
So many useful ideas! Thank you very much
No problemo! Glad they help.
impressive....most impressive
Thanks!
My little sister has some "space gloves" just like those!
Once you have a setup, its really just all about making it feel right to you, there is no real all purpose setup, people need to program the controls how they feel comfortable and then analyze and adjust on any fails or weak points. It’s something that the individual needs to go through them selves. However with that said, you want to start from the standard pilot control setup for a plane or helicopter, and not just make something totally wack
My envy is boundless. One day.
Dam bro you got a mad sick setup!
What a sweet set up
Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through just for speed and accel limiters when you can just use custom sensitivity curves for the same effect, and it applies to ALL axes unlike the speed limiter which leaves out at least the roll axis, if not more.
Cool Video. Very nice pit. I was wondering though...
What curves and sensitivity settings do you use with Star Citizen? Everything feels just a bit off.
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Thanks in advance !
Thanks. I haven't changed any curve settings except ESP in Star Citizen. I do use a slight curve on the pedals, but I have added that using the software for them rather than in game.
I have touched the ESP settings, for about 1.4 curve, and 11 degrees deflection.
Hey, at 4:26 how are you able to display the external view of your ship on a 2nd monitor? That is amazing for landing in tight spaces! Or am I mistaken?
This video I have should explain it all. ua-cam.com/video/U2zskuJkduw/v-deo.html
What do you use for audio? That surround audio sounds awesome
Logitech G933 for Surround Audio.
Hello Afterimage, I have recently received my two constellation alphas and I am ready to enjoy star citizen. However when I bound strafe up/down, left/right, and throttle forward/back the game doesn't seem to recognize any of these inputs. Do you have any suggestions?
No clue on that one other than the standard stuff; check if the axis is working from the joysticks in Windows or another game, try binding the axis to something like on foot movement and see if it gets a response. After that, try deleting the user folder and start the keybinds from scratch. It should just bind and work without issue.
any chance of making a follow up on this vid?
Yes, definitely. likely a little bit later on in the year though. I try to refresh this about once a year, and capture some of the minor changes in some smaller videos too
@@AfterimageFlight hope you end up doing one for 3.18 with the bind changes they added
Did you have problems with 3.18 as I understand there was a bug with personal interaction on mouse key? I’m trying to get back into SC with 3.19 after a long break, & have bound a mouse side button to “F” but cant get it to let me interact, though wordpad shows the “F” is being generated....
Binding my right thumb stick to "look" on the left and right axis stops working if I accidentally move the flight stick. How do I work around this? Joytokey is not helping.
I have had a another person mention they have an issue with that but I am not sure why. The solution they came up with was to have the ministick operate as mouse movement instead, which still allows for camera control.
@@AfterimageFlight *just so everyone knows, I used BuzZzKiller's Joytokey preset to make this work*. I don't fully understand what he did, but I'm sure I can figure it out if I study the button layout in the software. Then I went in and revamped his keybind layout inside Star Citizen with a combination of his with my own.
Very interesting! Can you give us some info on exactly how you're using the mouse? What FPS binds have you assigned to that?
Or maybe make your xml binds file available for download so we can check the detail for ourselves? I’m also interested in details of how you're using the mini-keyboard.
Is the brake lever on the alpha an on/off switch, or is it infinite input? Virpils website says digital axis, but what is that?
thanks for the educative video and impressive simpit. a question though : how do you double up an axis to a button and have both working ?
Thanks. Certain inputs are treated as axis inputs, and others buttons. What I do is either use the VirPil software to make an axis trigger an additional button on the stick, or use joystick gremlin to have the axis trigger a virtual joystick button. It is just a matter of mapping it after that. So for example, lean is a digital function, so I have additional buttons assigned to the X-Axis on my left stick in the VirPil software. Depending on your controllers you might need to use the software it has or Joystick gremlin.
@@AfterimageFlight thanks mate. I managed to do it. virpil software is really something to get your hands on :P (but really cool)
Question/Help:
Having an issue with throttle forward/back keybinding (HOSAS VPC Cons-Alpha).
It's bound to the Y-axis on the left stick, when I push forward or pull back on the stick the ship will only move backwards!
Any y-axis (+/-) movement results in the ship always moving in the same direction.
Holy crap... As I look away from my Warthog, G502, and Razor keypad in disgust... Lol...
how come my star citizen isnt recognizing my pitch and yaw for virpil alpha
I’m looking into getting star citizen and really want to purchase stocks like you’re, however quick question, on there website you need to buy the sticks abs the base stations. There is 2 on the website but I’m not sure off the difference between them except the price and footprint? Thanks agai
The difference basically comes down to where you plan to use it and how much range of motion you want. The WarBRD has more range of motion because it's designed first to be used sitting on a desk, but because of that extra range of motion it is not designed to take extensions (it can, but if you mount it using the mounts they have, the extensions can cause the top of the stick to hit the edge). If I recall correctly, the MT50 has 16 degrees of motion and the WarBRD has 22.
They have different ways of adjusting the springs and they use different cams as well, but they otherwise have the same functionality. The MT50 base can be adjusted by popping off some covers and adjusting pre-tensioners. The WarBRD base has to be opened.
I am using WarBRD bases, using the default cams, with heavy springs on custom mounts.
Love the pit and I'm finally ready to start build a proper rig. Could you give a breakdown of your pc specs?
I have a 9900k, 32 GB of DDR4 3200mhz CL14, Samsung EVO 970 1 TB, GTX 1080ti. It is mostly older stuff now though so I would try to go with something newer.
@@AfterimageFlight what needs updating? Seems like an amazing rig. I was in love as soon as I watched the first video.
@@nickmaddox9745 Thanks! Nothing wrong with it, although as for 3.17 the differences in Hardware for Star Citizen are becoming more apparent and the GPU is starting to show its age. It was more of there being better options now where you mentioned you were looking to put together a rig.
@@AfterimageFlight well whatever you do im excited to see more hardware content.
What springs and cams are you using in your sticks?
I've changed the setup slightly since this video, I'm now using a CM3 base on the left stick. ua-cam.com/video/c9HOquhwkX4/v-deo.html
Left CM3 Base:
Y-Axis: Light Spring, Hard Center Avia Cam
X-Axis: Standard Spring, Soft Center Avia Cam
Center WarBRD Base:
Y-Axis: Heavy Spring, Soft Center Avia Cam
X-Axis: Heavy Spring, Soft Center Avia Cam
I haven’t watched the whole video but is there a part where you explain how to get ship subsystems on one of the secondary screens?
Not in this video. The explanation of how I run my MFDs/Targeting computer can be found here though: ua-cam.com/video/U2zskuJkduw/v-deo.html
Just ordered 2 gladiator NXTs and a rudder pedal. Not the big dog sticks like yours but most of this should translate for me I hope. Oh, an my wife wants me to stop watching your channel before something terrible happens.......... To my bank account!!
I am so sorry for your bank account lol :P
well i cant afford virpils right now but i placed a bid on a set of t16000s for cheap online. hopefully next year ill be able to snag a set of gladiators. virpils are a few years off for me. i really like your extension on your left stick
Thanks! Both Virpil and VKB have teased a angled extension, so you might want to watch out for that in the future. T16000s are a great starting point.
@@AfterimageFlight dude deleted and re listed them so my bid wouldn't win. So I bought a set of gladiator nxt premium. I'm absolutely hyped
I am using a USB Hub to connect both sticks and a CM3 throttle. I am also having issues with star citizen remembering everything - moreover the other day my CM3 the game couldn't see it until I reloaded the CM3 thru the virpil software - might you have any suggestions?
Unfortunately other than the console commands to resort devices (support.robertsspaceindustries.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000183328-Create-export-and-import-custom-profiles ), there's not much that can be done other than don't use hubs and don't unplug devices - and if you do make sure they're in the same port again exactly when reconnecting them with the power on the machine off.
What is that extension on the VPC Flightstick Z-Extension to be able to twist it? or is it a different unit, cant find it.
This is actually something I built myself, a few years before Virpil made their own Z-Extension, to angle my own stick. I just put the VPC Delta grip on it and use the twist on that. You can't buy the Delta grip as it is discontinued though.
Holy crap, how much money do you have in that cockpit?
Would you mind going over the keybinds when fps? Considering you use the stick to move around
What's the big rectangular thing sticking out above what I assume is the lights for the landing gear(the 3 green lights)? Is it just greeble, or does it do something?
It does, it is additional inputs that are activated by inserting the "key" into the assembly, and rotating it. Originally I was going to use it for Quantum but quantum is so frequent it doesn't get used for it anymore.
Did you adjust the sensitivity of the thumb stick? I find it too twitchy. I'm tying to reduce it but nothings working. Tried curves in SC and Virpil software. It just moves so quickly for fine adjustments.
No, I haven't touched the sensitivity of the ministick. I find it takes a bit of getting used to, but I also mapped the scroll wheel to move the speed limiter in steps. I might have forgot to mention that in this video.
How much would this entire set-up costs? (Excluding screen and PC)
Around $1500 for seat, frame, cockpit part, integrated controls ect. Built in 2016 so that number might be a little off now if you were to build it today.
@@AfterimageFlight thanks for the answer! :)
By any chance is there a part list somewhere?
I have dual stick Gladiator NXTs and I really like your setup but I can't bind the speed limiter to the thumb buttons because they're not analog. What's the next best option for speed limiter?
You could use a hat for up and down for the speed limiter as digital controls. You would need to bind each button on the hat as the corresponding digital bind is the only difference.
If I would make a suggestion you might know this already but what could also add is voice attack to your system having a star citizen pack in so can use voice commands aswell as using button presses to activate sequences of button presses or C++ up to you how you want to set it.
ua-cam.com/video/ZYdxSpARbnI/v-deo.html
here is a demonstration
Any chance you have a PDF for your dual stick bindings so I can use it as reference?
No sorry, I don't have a chart of it myself.
💙👍
why build all this when you just hold B on the controller to travel everywhere.
Where can I find a list of all the parts in this setup? I really want to copy this
Same
wait can we destroy those turrets? :0
Bro how is this setup even possible. Where do you even get 3/4 of that stuff
For the sticks and pedals, buying them. For just about everything else making it from scratch. Check the community posts on the channel and these playlists:
ua-cam.com/play/PLQNRyzLrtdRvn539WukgGu9VyrHCnuSbu.html
ua-cam.com/play/PLQNRyzLrtdRtMdZARSlgd4YE3-_ep5dfd.html
Not EVERYTHING needs to be VTOL. If the craft was designed with wheels, it should be expected to require them. Also... Why does EVERY ship in game have the same AR HUD? Shouldn't it be a different experience flying a Bucc than a 600i?
running this setup in 2022 cost more money for electricity then driving a v8 😂
so deep lol too deep but nice anyway
first
Second!
@@AfterimageFlight I like watching your videos, I don't play Star Citizen, but I want to get into it some day. I have no joysticks, but some day. Thanks for the cool video :D
@@AfterimageFlight Fourth message, but third!
Hopefully it helps when you're able to jump in!
Must be nice to be rich to have money for this setup :(
Awesome man! Really well thought out. I love binding my controls but SC is overwhelming and would take me all damn day if I couldn’t use your general scheme and good ideas as a starting point. The 2 stage boost/limit release is 🤌🏻
Thanks glad it helped!