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1) do you have a link to your sticks? Maybe something you make money off of too ;) 2) I would LOVE to know your button setup with those sticks. EDIT: 3) Love the vid btw
I appreciate that you use the aurora in this demonstration. It REALLY shows the depth and control that can be enjoyed with the very basic ship and shows that you don't have to buy a more expensive ship to have an amazing experience.
The Aurora is actually a pretty good ship. Okay, not "pretty" but that's in the eye of the beholder. Anyway, the Aurora will take you where you want to go reliably, and is an annoying opponent, thanks to her small size as a target. And if you want to get a more dedicated fighter, they are only a couple hundered grand, that you can easily make WITH the Aurora. No one NEEDS top spend more money than the initial 50 or so bucks to play and enjoy Star Citizen. Also the community is always more than willing to show, or share the bigger ships, because more people means more fun.
You can do anything you want to in the game with an aurora or mustang starter pack, outside of the specialized things like ship mining, salvage, etc... I've even seen people take on ERT bounties in an aurora with the right loadout (though that will be almost impossible in 3.14, of course). When a friend of mine decided 5 years after backing the game to finally install it and try it out a couple months ago he was super unimpressed with the Aurora and I kept telling him to stick with it and not to toss a bunch of $$ into the game on a different ship. 30 minutes later he had a constellation, lol.
Aurora is a solid ship. I finally installed SC after years of waiting and watching (and being totally disappointed by ED Odyssey...) and got the most basic Aurora package. 2 weeks of occasional gaming later I have > 1Mil credits from the Xeno threat event and am now considering what ship to buy next. It's super fun to fly circles around bigger ships in this thing and just keep strafing away.
Do you still use duel sticks for ground combat(out of the ship)? I saw the mouse and keyboard next to the sticks, so is it switching back and forth from mouse to keyboard when doing mission out of a ship?
@@blackmamba___ That's what I do, you could get creative and desk mount your sticks and use the kb/mouse on your desk. Some mounts slide, so you can find something that works for you.
@@1Triton Thanks for the reply, that really clears it up for me as I wasn’t sure how I would do running around and shooting with duel sticks. Makes perfect sense for space flight. Glad to know the duel sticks are more of an addition.
I for one would like to see a full key bind map for your setup. Anyone can always use that as a starting point and tweak as they see fit. Also, a friend had almost convinced me that I didn't need a second Virpil, and then I see your video. Such great sticks!
The way you fly really allows you to feel the ship. I would love to see you review other ships doing the same maneuvers and getting your first experience with them on cam.
Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to show how you do what you do! It's great to see how other people apply their controls to maneuver their ships around.
Dual stick pilot here. It's an amazing feeling I actually fly with my roll being on the Twist axis, and my yaw being on the X (left/Right) Axis for my right stick. Clockwise Twist rolls the ship left. I am imagining as if I had the joystick in my hand, and just straightened my elbow and held it at my side, so the top of the joystick is pointing forward Then my Vertical Trust is on the twist axis for my Left Hand. My left hand twisting clock-wise is "thrust-up", because in my head it makes sense as a mirror of the right hand rule used for Vector multiplication. I grew up on flight sims, so it was an awkward transitions at first, It actually makes it easier to track targets when in 6DOF combat, since you don't NEED to bank before turning, and you have MUCH more accuracy in your X/Y axis on your joystick than you do on your twist axis
Also, the screenwipes technique of transition is excellent, and will always be my favorite. It's always reminded me of Star Wars and how screenwipe transitions were big in the George Lucas films. And motion in shots, Star Wars and Akira Kurosawa shout outs as well! Love it.
was searching for a dual stick setup for playing games and found your video, along with some info from others it really solidified me into buying the virpil thank you very much
Amazing! This is the exact video I was looking for. Two joysticks from Virpil playing in star citizen. I was already sold but I’m happy to have found this in depth video you have provided. Thank you.
I create and export binding for Star Citizen. I support Dual Alphas, Dual T-16's, FCS HOTAS and Virpil HOTAS with an Alpha and CM3 Throttle. I also work with Subliminal to support the VKB Gladiator NXT's. My Axis setup is a little different. I have pitch and yaw on the right stick with roll on the Z axis. I find this helps with precision aiming of fixed weapons. My Lateral movement is on the left stick with twist being the vertical thrust (collective). I use the pinky on the left as an analog space brake and the pink on the right is my mining laser throttle.
I've been using your bindings since 3.10 for my T16k's and have enjoyed each iteration sinice as I learned Star Citizen. I've already rebuilt these sticks once and now the left twist is jittery at rest/idle. So, I just ordered a set of the Alphas for Virpl's black Friday sale and can't wait to get them in. Definitely checking out your bindings, although roll as x-axis is a hard habit to break.
I have two VKB Gladiator NXT's (both premium). I personally enjoy my pitch being the Y axis, yaw being the X axis and Roll being the Z axis. For my left stick, Doing a right Z axis turn pushes the ship up, and the left Z axis turn pushes it down. X and Y operate for thrust too. The trigger is for boosting on the left stick.
thats gorgeous. atm i used dual t16000 but def going to look into getting these when i move. the space allocation in my current apartment is used to its full capacity... maybe i should throw out my bed to make room
Thanks for this video. I'm a Hotas pilot and I have been debating dual sticks but could not wrap my mind around configuring the left stick. Thanks for breaking down how you configured it. Great video
FINALLY someone who has roll on the left-right axis of the right stick, I think most people are setting yaw there and it might even be the default in Star Citizen, which is so wrong
I've had the TM Warthog stick/throttle for a few years now (with Monstertech mounts), lately been thinking about changing to HOSAS. About a week ago your video "CIG IS SITTING ON A GOLDEN NUGGET - The Star Citizen Flight Experience" found its way to my news feed. Strange as I don't think I've ever seen your vids before and yet I've been into SC since 2013 lol. Noticed how knowledgeable and awesome you are at flying in SC so I checked out this video. Liked, subbed, and just now ordered 2x Alpha's, 2x WarBRD base, and try out the Z-Extension. Great friendly voice and really well put together interesting videos about SC, proper superb!
Recommend to switch your X and Z axes. Setting X-axis to yaw will greatly improved your shooting accuracy if you ever get into bounty hunting. I don't do much myself but when I did I saw so much improvement.
I wish there was a combat mode and a flight mode that we could switch to on the fly. I fly a *lot* better and can perform maneuvers much smoothly with z-rotation as yaw and x-axis rotate.
@@DJHeroMasta you can do this with the third party program joystick gremlin, but that adds another level of complexity on top of the basic SC keybinds…
About to order my VPC alphas tomorrow with the Z-adapter What seems natural to me is Right Stick: X-Axis roll Y-Axis pitch Z-Axis strafe Left Stick X-Axis yaw Y-Axis thrust Z-Axis vertical thrust With the Z adapter twisting up will make you vertically move up. All of your strafing movements are bound to Z-Axis. Yaw on left stick X-Axis has always been my go to in battlefield and Elite on Xbox controllers and it just seems natural for it to carry over. Having it on a twist movement when you have so many joystick axis seems counter intuitive and seeing it mapped that way in game confirms my personal bias haha. Really can’t wait to get this mounted on my chair and get my hands on it.
Thanks for the display and use of the teall display. Spent a couple of hours last night setting one up for my Hotas setup for Ursa driving for the Daymar Rally. Really interesting. Have to work out getting square dots instead of the round ones. Well done and grea video on your flying technique and setup!
I think this is by far the best demonstration and explanation of HOSAS flight, seeing your widgets was a great addition to showing what your doing with inputs. Its definately helped me decide on trying the HOSAS setup as I'm currently on a HOTAS with a Virpil Constellation with a Saitek X55 throttle. I've been considering getting the Virpil Throttle but have been very curious of the HOSAS setup and if I'm spending the money on a second Virpil, I don't want to buy one just to later switch to the other. I'm not going to get a cheaper stick to try the HOSAS setup and then will make my mind on which second Virpil product to buy. Once again... great video!
I love seeing what you can do with an Aurora! Would totally want to meet up ingame and let you fly some of the other ships just to see what's happening.
It's definitely not the case that everyone has the right stick set up that way - I know a bunch of people, myself included, have yaw on the X-axis rather than roll, usually with roll on the twist axis in that case. Coming from atmospheric flight sims it took a while to get used to, but now I find it much easier to point my crosshair by essentially moving it up, down, left or right with the pitch/yaw joystick, and out in space roll is much less important so having it on a less easy axis isn't a problem. Interesting video and beautiful flying, though, thanks! I really should practice in decoupled mode more.
I have a right hand alpha and v2 throttle, my left hand alpha and rudder pedal set just shipped yesterday after a 1 week waiting period. I HAD been using a t16k for left stick, so I had to order another base plate for my monstertech desk mounts. A little galling to pay $41 shipping for a $38.5 item, but it is what it is. I'm excited, in 2 weeks or so I'll have my setup! Also, the pit landings are more difficult when you have a ship that barely fits in the hole they want you to park in. Carrack, C2, Cat, are a little more difficult. IMO CIG screwed the pooch on hangars by not either doing it like ED with a landing pad that takes your ship down, or by simply having all hangars being huge like they were back when the hangar modules first released. Use all overly large hangars and you'll likely never have to redo them. Use smaller hangars and the likelihood of having to rework them is much higher.
The aerodynamic modeling at 8:00 is not generalized, it's very specific to the aerodynamic layout of the spacecraft, how well it weathervanes, what kind of distribution the lateral-translate and vertical-translate thrusters have, that sort of thing.
nice, was enjoying the previous videos of you testing out the racing around PO, now seeing the setup its even cooler to watch the smooth racing, hope one day to encounter you in the verse and maybe even fly the 350r as a nice race xD
Thanks young man for this video. I’ll be starting SC this week so I’m trying to do my homework on joysticks and other things I’ll need to play and be effective
Time to also get : Haptic feedback VR gloves to access the panels with your hands instead of with the joysticks or mouse + keyboard. VR Headset Hydraulic Seat that Adjust to the best of it's ability to match what's happening in the game. Fans that blow air depending on how fast you go. (Mostly to help with motionsickness, but also to "feel" the speed) Pedals for more Thrust and rotation control. If I had money I'd go so far as to create a PC Room/ Arcade. Where you bring your own headset and joysticks. To use the facilities hydraulic cockpit. Instead of PC's or arcades. It's cockpits. Just gotta make sure the customers do some rudimentary cleaning, and make sure employees sanitize and clean the chair and armrests.
@@BlackMaze I will! Waiting on the mounts and Assembly kit this week. Not sure why monstertech decided to ship those parts separate but I’m definitely excited :)
I really like the quality of your videos. I was hoping to see more details about the kit accompanying your constellations. I find it very confusing which base goes with the sticks and which accessories support the bases on the chair etc... I know this is about Star CItizen and not a Vipril buying guide but if anybody has any relevant input, it is much appreciated.
I am in the same boat haha. I am looking at gettig 2 sticks but so confused about what bases to get. I am thinking the Mongoose T-50CM2. But I also want mouse and keyboard next to the sticks like his but not on a chair. Idk if monstertech is worth it and it's hard to find info about this.
Eyo, It's SierraOneOneSeven from the verse! It was really exciting running into you and I'm looking forward to flying with you with my HoTaS/Pedals and see how the HotaS/Pedals stacks up against the dual-stick.
I used to have my right stick mapped that way, but I decided pretty early on to swap roll and yaw. I did this because, while it's not as intuitive, it gives me better precision for aiming with fixed weapons. The left stick I have mapped the same way but, because my sticks don't have analog pinky levers, I have the twist axis on the left stick for vertical strafing.
You could look at using the Virpil sitck with the extra analog stick on the stick and rudder pedals for yaw/strafe. I use my rudder pedals for yaw/strafe (yaw standard, left pedal left strafe, right pedal right strafe) which just leaves vertical/linear strafe for the small stick on a Virpil Alpha. That stick also packs the RZ axis, so you definitely have options for a single-handed setup!
@@BoeingB17FF I generally do not mention it as it does not apply to gaming - but only one leg also. Anyway, I use a Roccat Nyth MMO mouse, voice attack, and the Tobii tracker. Together they make a good experience for me. I used the joystick back in the X-Wing days, but SC is more than flying so I like the utility of the mouse. Regardless, thank you for the suggestions.
@@ericwollaston5654 Well, if that happened in defense of human freedoms, then I cannot quantify my appreciation for what you put forth. X-Wing brings fond memories. The only other thing I'd toss out is using the rudder pedals with a strap or foot/shoe harness. The pedals would have to be anchored, but you could then do yaw with push-pull on the one leg. It sounds like you have things pretty well figured out. I actually use trackIR as well but haven't used my VA setup as I don't like talking much and feels like it takes longer than a flick of a finger. Whatever you do, I'm always impressed to see people without the same amount of normal input options pursuing gaming. Human-Interface technology is the great equalizer!
@@BoeingB17FF Thank you for the response. I too honor those who sacrifice some or all in the name of freedom - but I am not one of them. I was born with my disabilities. Voice Attack is very helpful to me when I do not have the extra fingers to do things. Especially with two words, like "Action Alpha" I can reset my power allocation for my personal attack pattern, rather than messing with the triangle or pressing buttons 3-6 times.
@@ericwollaston5654 A whole life that way - that's impressive! I wonder if there are any motion-capture gloves to allow you to map bindings to finger controls. That might start making it really complicated, but where there's a will, there's a way - you're proof of that!
Chair and control setup costs more than my entire computer. Pretty sweet. That is some very impressive smooth movement considering your thruster and speed limiter are maxed out.
I have no idea who you are. I found this video on my recs and I'm not disappointed. At least not disappointed about the video but maybe by the fact that I don't own a pair of these sticks! I play SC fully on an xbox controller; flying, driving and even boots on the ground. Yes, I'm that guy... Nevertheless this is actually the first time I started thinking about buying a pair. If you got some sort of link to a market place that gives you profit when used (or an order code) let me know, you've earned it (: This was a great video!
Personally i use a HOTAS : T16000 + WCS and Rudder. Using the little joystick on the WCS for translations up/down and right/left, rudder for yaw, and T16 for pitch/roll, z axis used when on foot or in EVA mode for yaw, rudder 2nd function used for walk and run forward/backward.
I feel that changing the right stick in a manner that it controls the direction the vessel is facing, with the twist being the roll axis, would be more suitable until you can add pedals to the mix.
This video is amazing! I am brand new to this game haven't even logged in yet into the live, just trying out free flight and different combinations. The first time ever now I understand the physics of the flying and a good base setup. I really would like to see a button to button video also, since I have ordered a Constallation too only the right side so far and probably will use the older warthog on the left side or a hotas config or 3 units. I played before mostly FS2020 and 2024 as flying sims.
These smooth maneuvers are lovely, thanks for sharing your setup. I've got the Warthog and I'm wondering how its throttle would get along with a 2nd stick.
A wonderful video! I feel as though this should be the second stage of learning decoupled. I got the logic in space quickly where it can be useful for combat, but did not quite realize that it is so "hover" based in atmo. Can't wait to try it! Nice work with the widgets and your setup. It is worth pointing out that Virpil is not "the" only answer; you can achieve this with VKB just as well, or with a right-hand Winwing with a twist module. And arguably on the left stick Thrustmaster does a good enough job since the centre-detent is not an issue (even an advantage for thruster separation). Worth pointing it all out so you don't sound like a commercial! Unless you have to? ;)
Personally, I use… Right joystick: - left/right = yaw axis (better aiming combine with pitch) - up/down = pitch - twist = roll Left joystick: - left/right = strafe left/right - up/down = strafe up/down (better precision for fly by just above the ground) - twist = strafe front/back (a bit like a motorcycle?)
I just wanted to say a big thank you for explaining this at such detail. I've been contemplating on what setup to get for SC and was torn between many things: was I going to stick with with mouse and keyboard (having clocked many hours of Arma with that setup got me pretty decent at flying heli's with WASD+arrow keys) or was I going for a HOTAS (which makes sense to me with previous games I played with that classic setup) or was I going for a controller (having played console games on a regular basis for over 2 decades) or going for HOSAS (which makes the most sense when I look at space sims) whereas I always lacked an axis when I tried to visualize that setup, but seeing how you've bound it to that brake lever it just hit me! Still will probably go for a controller in the meantime (since I have those lying around) or going for a HOTAS (which I have somewhere, but it clutters up my desk, so I only install it when I know I can play multiple session within a short period of time), but this HOSAS and especially with the Virpils has been added to my wishlist! A man can dream :P Once again, thanks for this detailed dive into your setup
I have dual alpha primes with the left on the Z extension, so I did the up and down strafe on it's Z-axis. I TRIED for months (not weeks) to get the sliders to work but they don't. I tried to set them as button press and that wouldn't work either because my left stick's slider triggers for no reason and VPC deadzone didn't work at all. I have to go a different route anyway because star citizen would keep seeing my two identical bases as the same, even though I am correctly setup in VPC's software. I had to use hidhide, vjoy and gremlin to get mine to work best for me, but that means I have a 6 axis limit with one vjoy. 2 causes me other issues I just rather not deal with anymore,,, for now. I can't wait until I can manuever as smoothly as you. I played for so long with keyboard and mouse, it's just hard to dedicate practice time for it, but I must. I go back and forth. I had deadzone issues where if I touched the mouse, after the stick, it would be locked out, but setting deadzones in star citizen itself has made most of my issues a thing of the past.
Can you do, or have you done a video about your set-up? Looks clean, looked at the monstertech chair setup myself, but not entirely sure yet... looks very clean how you have it!
I'm going to try the dual stick setup... I'm currently using a Warthog stick and mouse on the right...and a Razor kepad on the left... I use the keypad for rudder because the Warthog doesn't have the twist... It works great for ED and SC...
Some things I think the game needs, especially after watching this... Something in between coupled and decoupled mode that can be used in gravity wells that lets the ship operate as if it is in decoupled mode, but automatically applies enough thrust to keep you from falling... that would be neat An autopilot mode to maintain pitch that can be used near planets so you can feel comfortable leaving you chair while flying near a planet knowing you won't be slowly changing angle or anything. I'd love to get a virpil setup but I'm kind of torn... Twin stick does seem optimal but I also really like HOTAS for things other than SC and E:D etc. I know some people have done dual stick plus a throttle, but that gets pretty expensive and possibly unwieldy to set up depending on your gaming space.
Maybe give an "Engineer" mode for those tech heads who like to tweak the ships to get full control and manage it exactly the way they want. If anyone else were to steal it and fly it they would probably crash because they wouldn't understand what is going on. This would allow pilots to personalize exactly how the ship flies for THEIR needs.
Nice rig you have there!! I use the Thrustmaster Warthog stick and throttle and I love them. Solid steel is the way to go. I also use a VKB T-Rudder MKIV which is also all steel construction. I round it all off with the Obutto tubular steel cockpit. Star Citizen is such a dream to fly when you are in the proper seating position. Get a good cockpit, mine is designed for sim racing, but works excellent with flight sims also. It also has a mouse and keyboard mount that can sit above your lap making it easy to switch back and forth between air and ground controls.
Thank you so much. This blew my mind and made me buy those sticks. I am sooo looking forward to enjoying a premium space helicopter experience. Love and light 2u. 😸😇
If you ever do this again, it would be great to see your joystick movement instead of the squares. I have a hard time picturing the stick movement with just the dots moving around.
Nice, I use a TM Warthog myself and have the "left stick" mapped to the 2 hats on the back of the throttle. Might have to try out dual sticks though for the coolness factor.
really nice flying! great setup as well.. those Virpil sticks are a bit out of my price range, but I'm definitely considering the VKB Gladiator dual sticks.. hopefully I can achieve the same precision
@@AbuN4z1r That I remember they have a few different types to fit a range of chairs but, they also have table mounts too. www.monstertechusa.com/product/joystick-hotas-chair-mount/
I found this as a link from reddit comment as an example of the best dual stick setup for space sims and my golly they were right. I recently got a VKB Gladiator after my t16k stick died a noble death. i have been struggling with the TWCS throttle and VKB setup in space sims and was considering getting a 2nd Gladiator with the Omni-Throttle adapter (putting the left stick at a near right-angle). I think id put Up and Down on the left stick twist, like a motorbike, as i wouldn't have the pinky triggers.
Ive been using a cheapie set of dual logitech 3d pro joysticks for Star Citizen for a long time, they work pretty well, though not as robust as your sticks.
Nice. I didn't transition to the dual sticks until after I upgraded to the titan. In fact, I had rented a Cutlass Black when I did and I love the flight model of that ship a lot. The titan actually pitches the nose quite a bit up when you take off, I'll have to try decoupled mode more, I often use it in combat. I had some issues with cruise control being easily set on my Orbweaver and didn't realize that it was on. Confused the hell out of me as there is no indicator for it, which seems odd. One thing about the Elite flight model that I love is if you use a strafe axis for up and down, left and right, if you reduce the throttle you will put more power to the strafe axis. This makes for some very satisfying flying and great fun when landing at outposts. It's also very nice in combat. I have never really gotten the hang of FA off though, I just haven't done enough combat and I get frustrated pretty quickly. I enjoy both of the Elite and Star Citizen flight models.
I know this video is a year old but I've REALLY been wanting a good flight stick setup for my new PC build and for Star Citizen and other flying games but this review has definitely made me wanna pull the trigger on these bad boys so thank you so much for your awesome review!!! I can't help but notice those don't look like the 'virpil mounts' and I've been racking my brain trying to figure out which mounts you're using for the sticks, keypad and your chair cause that's the most I've been struggling with to find xD
I was just about to give up on Star citizen since the flying is so hard with all the controls set to the opposite of whats natural. (Dunno, maybe i pushed some button to reverse the settings.) One last try with Virpils. Very good video, keep up the good work.
Thanks for this! Really appreciate it. Just waiting on my virpil dual sticks to arrive (although I also got peddles due to wrist problems not allowing me to use twist)
So I'm rewatching this as I'm about to start planning my control layout, and at 0:14 I saw a box attached to your PC case and was wondering what it was.
would be cool to know how you feel if you see less... far less like in any of the Freelancer variants (medium ship) or a Starlifter (large ship but with vtol thrusters) where all you ave is a rather small, horizontal window/windshield and way more mass to handle... and try to land a Carrack like you did the aurora... you can rent those sips at the spaceports (different ships at different ports) or ask sommebody on te server if they'll let you have theirs...
I agree, try larger ships. For example an MSR wouldnt do well with the sexy angle landing. I do full inverted, and fly into it almost directly at the landing slot then flattening out as i enter.
I like the way you setup all of the sticks, and the mouse and keyboard mini-attachments to your chair. Could you provide links to the mini-attachments for all the parts used to set it all up to your chair?
I have the dual Alphas as well, but I have vertical on one of the z-axis. Your configuration seems smoother. I wonder if the scroll wheel could somehow be programmed to increase/decrease vertical thrust? Then you could adjust to the right level and leave it.
one question with regards to maintaining altitude. did you toggle the vtol? the aurora has fans similar to the connie that help maintain lift since it doesn't have aerodynamic surfaces.
Argh, both BlackMaze and SubliminalsTV are sooooo teasing us with those dual sticks that me and my hotas are starting to feel bad lol Plus those mounts for chair or desk looks' so god damn cool. dammit
I have both the dual sticks, throttle and Rutter pedals honestly. - Throttle I have a warthog, I use one the throttles handles to change the speed limiter. And the other one is forward thrust (I use it outside of combat when I want to set up a cruise speed for confort.) I don't use it much in combat but it's very nice in non combat situations. Plus it gives you extra buttons for non combat stuff like landing gear, lights, V-tol etc...) - Both joystick I use for dogfighting right joystick I have pitch, roll. Left I have Straff and also setted up forward/backward straff on the Z axis to control my speed In combat. Along with assigning all combat and flight related essentials (missile operator mode, scan, guns, targeting, powe management). - Rutter pedals: I use them like an helicopter. So for UP/DOWN thrusters and for Yaw. I prefer to do it this way because of my helicopter flight experience and I find it less tiring to use yaw on the pedals. But you can also put staff UP/Down, yawn on the joysticks. And use the pedal just for straff forward/back. Which is more natural for some people (like a car). That the most common way people use them in space sim. But not the way they are used in flight Sims. So it's a choice between realism or something that is easier to learn. Point being, two sticks in a space sim is a must IMO. But that doesn't mean not adding a hotas and even Rutter pedals doesn't improve the experience. I definitely does, It use them all the time. But if you are on a tight budget, have two joysticks with X-Y-Z axis is enough to fully control the ship.
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@BlackMaze - I don't want to make any extra work for you, but I'd love to see your button setup!
1) do you have a link to your sticks? Maybe something you make money off of too ;) 2) I would LOVE to know your button setup with those sticks. EDIT: 3) Love the vid btw
what half keyboard are you using?
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This made me laugh way more than it should have! 😃
I appreciate that you use the aurora in this demonstration. It REALLY shows the depth and control that can be enjoyed with the very basic ship and shows that you don't have to buy a more expensive ship to have an amazing experience.
The Aurora is actually a pretty good ship. Okay, not "pretty" but that's in the eye of the beholder. Anyway, the Aurora will take you where you want to go reliably, and is an annoying opponent, thanks to her small size as a target. And if you want to get a more dedicated fighter, they are only a couple hundered grand, that you can easily make WITH the Aurora.
No one NEEDS top spend more money than the initial 50 or so bucks to play and enjoy Star Citizen.
Also the community is always more than willing to show, or share the bigger ships, because more people means more fun.
@@kenzoryba1017 exactly!
You can do anything you want to in the game with an aurora or mustang starter pack, outside of the specialized things like ship mining, salvage, etc... I've even seen people take on ERT bounties in an aurora with the right loadout (though that will be almost impossible in 3.14, of course).
When a friend of mine decided 5 years after backing the game to finally install it and try it out a couple months ago he was super unimpressed with the Aurora and I kept telling him to stick with it and not to toss a bunch of $$ into the game on a different ship. 30 minutes later he had a constellation, lol.
agree, no need to put in additional $$ in the game unless you really want to. most ships can be bought in game, you can grind for it. i did.
Aurora is a solid ship. I finally installed SC after years of waiting and watching (and being totally disappointed by ED Odyssey...) and got the most basic Aurora package. 2 weeks of occasional gaming later I have > 1Mil credits from the Xeno threat event and am now considering what ship to buy next. It's super fun to fly circles around bigger ships in this thing and just keep strafing away.
DUDE yes, i've been waiting for a video like this! Everyone is flying dual sticks but hardly anyone wants to talk about how to set it up.
Have a look at BuzZzKiller
He has up to date Control Profiles for common Joysticks and Starcitizen to download ;)
People avoid talking about it from fear of looking dumb. This shit is complicated, lol I'm amazed mine works! This video is invaluable.
Do you still use duel sticks for ground combat(out of the ship)? I saw the mouse and keyboard next to the sticks, so is it switching back and forth from mouse to keyboard when doing mission out of a ship?
@@blackmamba___ That's what I do, you could get creative and desk mount your sticks and use the kb/mouse on your desk. Some mounts slide, so you can find something that works for you.
@@1Triton Thanks for the reply, that really clears it up for me as I wasn’t sure how I would do running around and shooting with duel sticks. Makes perfect sense for space flight. Glad to know the duel sticks are more of an addition.
Since you have such a refined view of how the ships feel with this setup, I would love reviews on the flight characteristics of them all.
I like that idea!
seconded!
I for one would like to see a full key bind map for your setup. Anyone can always use that as a starting point and tweak as they see fit. Also, a friend had almost convinced me that I didn't need a second Virpil, and then I see your video. Such great sticks!
Definitely agree it would be nice to see
Yes this is what we need
The way you fly really allows you to feel the ship. I would love to see you review other ships doing the same maneuvers and getting your first experience with them on cam.
Nice setup I always think I don't need sticks till I see videos like this.
Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to show how you do what you do! It's great to see how other people apply their controls to maneuver their ships around.
Beautiful music selection. You're flying is mesmerizing to watch.
Dual stick pilot here. It's an amazing feeling
I actually fly with my roll being on the Twist axis, and my yaw being on the X (left/Right) Axis for my right stick. Clockwise Twist rolls the ship left. I am imagining as if I had the joystick in my hand, and just straightened my elbow and held it at my side, so the top of the joystick is pointing forward
Then my Vertical Trust is on the twist axis for my Left Hand.
My left hand twisting clock-wise is "thrust-up", because in my head it makes sense as a mirror of the right hand rule used for Vector multiplication.
I grew up on flight sims, so it was an awkward transitions at first, It actually makes it easier to track targets when in 6DOF combat, since you don't NEED to bank before turning, and you have MUCH more accuracy in your X/Y axis on your joystick than you do on your twist axis
Wow if I ever get sticks, this will be high on my list of potential buys. Really smoothe, thanks for the vid!
Also, the screenwipes technique of transition is excellent, and will always be my favorite. It's always reminded me of Star Wars and how screenwipe transitions were big in the George Lucas films. And motion in shots, Star Wars and Akira Kurosawa shout outs as well! Love it.
was searching for a dual stick setup for playing games and found your video, along with some info from others it really solidified me into buying the virpil thank you very much
Amazing! This is the exact video I was looking for. Two joysticks from Virpil playing in star citizen. I was already sold but I’m happy to have found this in depth video you have provided. Thank you.
I create and export binding for Star Citizen. I support Dual Alphas, Dual T-16's, FCS HOTAS and Virpil HOTAS with an Alpha and CM3 Throttle. I also work with Subliminal to support the VKB Gladiator NXT's.
My Axis setup is a little different. I have pitch and yaw on the right stick with roll on the Z axis. I find this helps with precision aiming of fixed weapons. My Lateral movement is on the left stick with twist being the vertical thrust (collective). I use the pinky on the left as an analog space brake and the pink on the right is my mining laser throttle.
I've been using your bindings since 3.10 for my T16k's and have enjoyed each iteration sinice as I learned Star Citizen. I've already rebuilt these sticks once and now the left twist is jittery at rest/idle. So, I just ordered a set of the Alphas for Virpl's black Friday sale and can't wait to get them in. Definitely checking out your bindings, although roll as x-axis is a hard habit to break.
@@malcolmlee5499 Its pretty easy to change the bindings if you don't like something.
@@BuzZzKiller yep, I think you even had a toggle roll/yaw on the dual T16k. I run fixed weapons, so I should practice with yaw on x-axis.
I love how you video is on 21:9 aspect reatio! My ultrawide monitor feels so loved when he actually can play videos full screen! 💕
After watching you ace an Aurora, I’m excited to see how well you can control a more powerful ship like a Medium fighter class.
I have two VKB Gladiator NXT's (both premium). I personally enjoy my pitch being the Y axis, yaw being the X axis and Roll being the Z axis. For my left stick, Doing a right Z axis turn pushes the ship up, and the left Z axis turn pushes it down. X and Y operate for thrust too. The trigger is for boosting on the left stick.
thats gorgeous. atm i used dual t16000 but def going to look into getting these when i move. the space allocation in my current apartment is used to its full capacity... maybe i should throw out my bed to make room
I'm using the same! Plus Logitech pedals, amazing control!
@@SirSpoof254 im def getting pedals next, the more stat citizens flight and combat improves the more excited i get to fly lol
Thanks for this video. I'm a Hotas pilot and I have been debating dual sticks but could not wrap my mind around configuring the left stick. Thanks for breaking down how you configured it. Great video
Most welcome!
I would love to see your buttons setup. Maybe you could even share your stick setup files somewhere?
FINALLY someone who has roll on the left-right axis of the right stick, I think most people are setting yaw there and it might even be the default in Star Citizen, which is so wrong
I've had the TM Warthog stick/throttle for a few years now (with Monstertech mounts), lately been thinking about changing to HOSAS. About a week ago your video "CIG IS SITTING ON A GOLDEN NUGGET - The Star Citizen Flight Experience" found its way to my news feed. Strange as I don't think I've ever seen your vids before and yet I've been into SC since 2013 lol. Noticed how knowledgeable and awesome you are at flying in SC so I checked out this video. Liked, subbed, and just now ordered 2x Alpha's, 2x WarBRD base, and try out the Z-Extension.
Great friendly voice and really well put together interesting videos about SC, proper superb!
Thanks a lot Tommy! That’s awesome. I hope you enjoy the Virpils! If you join our XGR Discord there are lots of people to talk to and get help from’
Recommend to switch your X and Z axes. Setting X-axis to yaw will greatly improved your shooting accuracy if you ever get into bounty hunting. I don't do much myself but when I did I saw so much improvement.
I wish there was a combat mode and a flight mode that we could switch to on the fly. I fly a *lot* better and can perform maneuvers much smoothly with z-rotation as yaw and x-axis rotate.
@@DJHeroMasta you can do this with the third party program joystick gremlin, but that adds another level of complexity on top of the basic SC keybinds…
What a fantastic demonstration! This video may have cost me a lot of money, because I think I need this in my life! Subscribed!
About to order my VPC alphas tomorrow with the Z-adapter
What seems natural to me is
Right Stick:
X-Axis roll
Y-Axis pitch
Z-Axis strafe
Left Stick
X-Axis yaw
Y-Axis thrust
Z-Axis vertical thrust
With the Z adapter twisting up will make you vertically move up. All of your strafing movements are bound to Z-Axis. Yaw on left stick X-Axis has always been my go to in battlefield and Elite on Xbox controllers and it just seems natural for it to carry over. Having it on a twist movement when you have so many joystick axis seems counter intuitive and seeing it mapped that way in game confirms my personal bias haha. Really can’t wait to get this mounted on my chair and get my hands on it.
Well I know what I'm upgrading to when my 2xT16000m setup finally kicks the bucket. Those Virpil sticks look incredible.
Thanks for the display and use of the teall display. Spent a couple of hours last night setting one up for my Hotas setup for Ursa driving for the Daymar Rally. Really interesting. Have to work out getting square dots instead of the round ones. Well done and grea video on your flying technique and setup!
I think this is by far the best demonstration and explanation of HOSAS flight, seeing your widgets was a great addition to showing what your doing with inputs. Its definately helped me decide on trying the HOSAS setup as I'm currently on a HOTAS with a Virpil Constellation with a Saitek X55 throttle. I've been considering getting the Virpil Throttle but have been very curious of the HOSAS setup and if I'm spending the money on a second Virpil, I don't want to buy one just to later switch to the other. I'm not going to get a cheaper stick to try the HOSAS setup and then will make my mind on which second Virpil product to buy. Once again... great video!
I love seeing what you can do with an Aurora! Would totally want to meet up ingame and let you fly some of the other ships just to see what's happening.
Your pilot skills are my Life Goals; beautiful work Sir!
My Virpil Alphas are coming in on Thursday! I'm so excited! 😊
Congrats!!!!
enjoy them man they are some of the best sticks on the market
It's definitely not the case that everyone has the right stick set up that way - I know a bunch of people, myself included, have yaw on the X-axis rather than roll, usually with roll on the twist axis in that case. Coming from atmospheric flight sims it took a while to get used to, but now I find it much easier to point my crosshair by essentially moving it up, down, left or right with the pitch/yaw joystick, and out in space roll is much less important so having it on a less easy axis isn't a problem. Interesting video and beautiful flying, though, thanks! I really should practice in decoupled mode more.
Hands down one of the best explanation videos. I'm excited to get myself some joysticks and give this a whirl!
I have a right hand alpha and v2 throttle, my left hand alpha and rudder pedal set just shipped yesterday after a 1 week waiting period. I HAD been using a t16k for left stick, so I had to order another base plate for my monstertech desk mounts. A little galling to pay $41 shipping for a $38.5 item, but it is what it is. I'm excited, in 2 weeks or so I'll have my setup!
Also, the pit landings are more difficult when you have a ship that barely fits in the hole they want you to park in. Carrack, C2, Cat, are a little more difficult. IMO CIG screwed the pooch on hangars by not either doing it like ED with a landing pad that takes your ship down, or by simply having all hangars being huge like they were back when the hangar modules first released. Use all overly large hangars and you'll likely never have to redo them. Use smaller hangars and the likelihood of having to rework them is much higher.
So this is how you pull off those clean Aurora landings :) Great vid dude.
The aerodynamic modeling at 8:00 is not generalized, it's very specific to the aerodynamic layout of the spacecraft, how well it weathervanes, what kind of distribution the lateral-translate and vertical-translate thrusters have, that sort of thing.
Great vid! I would love to see a software tutorial on customizing the sticks.
I love all your videos on Star Citizen. It has made me want to play it!
nice, was enjoying the previous videos of you testing out the racing around PO, now seeing the setup its even cooler to watch the smooth racing, hope one day to encounter you in the verse and maybe even fly the 350r as a nice race xD
Thanks young man for this video. I’ll be starting SC this week so I’m trying to do my homework on joysticks and other things I’ll need to play and be effective
Time to also get :
Haptic feedback VR gloves to access the panels with your hands instead of with the joysticks or mouse + keyboard.
VR Headset
Hydraulic Seat that Adjust to the best of it's ability to match what's happening in the game.
Fans that blow air depending on how fast you go. (Mostly to help with motionsickness, but also to "feel" the speed)
Pedals for more Thrust and rotation control.
If I had money I'd go so far as to create a PC Room/ Arcade. Where you bring your own headset and joysticks. To use the facilities hydraulic cockpit.
Instead of PC's or arcades. It's cockpits.
Just gotta make sure the customers do some rudimentary cleaning, and make sure employees sanitize and clean the chair and armrests.
Get the smell thing they have on that ride in Disneyland that makes it smell like tees and stuff when you 'fly' over a forest hahaha
Just in time. I just received my blackbird chair and dual virpil alpha :)
Congratulations!!! Enjoy them!
@@BlackMaze I will! Waiting on the mounts and Assembly kit this week. Not sure why monstertech decided to ship those parts separate but I’m definitely excited :)
I really like the quality of your videos. I was hoping to see more details about the kit accompanying your constellations. I find it very confusing which base goes with the sticks and which accessories support the bases on the chair etc... I know this is about Star CItizen and not a Vipril buying guide but if anybody has any relevant input, it is much appreciated.
I am in the same boat haha. I am looking at gettig 2 sticks but so confused about what bases to get. I am thinking the Mongoose T-50CM2. But I also want mouse and keyboard next to the sticks like his but not on a chair. Idk if monstertech is worth it and it's hard to find info about this.
Eyo, It's SierraOneOneSeven from the verse! It was really exciting running into you and I'm looking forward to flying with you with my HoTaS/Pedals and see how the HotaS/Pedals stacks up against the dual-stick.
Here’s a tip, landing gear down or raised affects the controls when the gravity assist is on or off.
I used to have my right stick mapped that way, but I decided pretty early on to swap roll and yaw. I did this because, while it's not as intuitive, it gives me better precision for aiming with fixed weapons. The left stick I have mapped the same way but, because my sticks don't have analog pinky levers, I have the twist axis on the left stick for vertical strafing.
I'd love to see more details of your controller setup... please!
As a one-armed gamer, dual stick or even HOTAS don't work but I appreciate your videos. Keep them coming.
You could look at using the Virpil sitck with the extra analog stick on the stick and rudder pedals for yaw/strafe. I use my rudder pedals for yaw/strafe (yaw standard, left pedal left strafe, right pedal right strafe) which just leaves vertical/linear strafe for the small stick on a Virpil Alpha. That stick also packs the RZ axis, so you definitely have options for a single-handed setup!
@@BoeingB17FF I generally do not mention it as it does not apply to gaming - but only one leg also. Anyway, I use a Roccat Nyth MMO mouse, voice attack, and the Tobii tracker. Together they make a good experience for me. I used the joystick back in the X-Wing days, but SC is more than flying so I like the utility of the mouse. Regardless, thank you for the suggestions.
@@ericwollaston5654 Well, if that happened in defense of human freedoms, then I cannot quantify my appreciation for what you put forth. X-Wing brings fond memories. The only other thing I'd toss out is using the rudder pedals with a strap or foot/shoe harness. The pedals would have to be anchored, but you could then do yaw with push-pull on the one leg.
It sounds like you have things pretty well figured out. I actually use trackIR as well but haven't used my VA setup as I don't like talking much and feels like it takes longer than a flick of a finger.
Whatever you do, I'm always impressed to see people without the same amount of normal input options pursuing gaming. Human-Interface technology is the great equalizer!
@@BoeingB17FF Thank you for the response. I too honor those who sacrifice some or all in the name of freedom - but I am not one of them. I was born with my disabilities.
Voice Attack is very helpful to me when I do not have the extra fingers to do things. Especially with two words, like "Action Alpha" I can reset my power allocation for my personal attack pattern, rather than messing with the triangle or pressing buttons 3-6 times.
@@ericwollaston5654 A whole life that way - that's impressive! I wonder if there are any motion-capture gloves to allow you to map bindings to finger controls. That might start making it really complicated, but where there's a will, there's a way - you're proof of that!
Would love to see your actual individual button binds :)
I might need to sell my NXT Gladiators for these, those additional analog inputs are so nice!
Chair and control setup costs more than my entire computer. Pretty sweet.
That is some very impressive smooth movement considering your thruster and speed limiter are maxed out.
I have no idea who you are. I found this video on my recs and I'm not disappointed. At least not disappointed about the video but maybe by the fact that I don't own a pair of these sticks! I play SC fully on an xbox controller; flying, driving and even boots on the ground. Yes, I'm that guy... Nevertheless this is actually the first time I started thinking about buying a pair. If you got some sort of link to a market place that gives you profit when used (or an order code) let me know, you've earned it (: This was a great video!
@BlackMaze - I bet you're going to be a really good pvp pilot in SC.
I would love to see some in game bounty hunting footage from you
Amazing video on your setup. I can see also how much you enjoy flying.
Personally i use a HOTAS : T16000 + WCS and Rudder.
Using the little joystick on the WCS for translations up/down and right/left, rudder for yaw, and T16 for pitch/roll, z axis used when on foot or in EVA mode for yaw, rudder 2nd function used for walk and run forward/backward.
I feel that changing the right stick in a manner that it controls the direction the vessel is facing, with the twist being the roll axis, would be more suitable until you can add pedals to the mix.
This video is amazing! I am brand new to this game haven't even logged in yet into the live, just trying out free flight and different combinations. The first time ever now I understand the physics of the flying and a good base setup. I really would like to see a button to button video also, since I have ordered a Constallation too only the right side so far and probably will use the older warthog on the left side or a hotas config or 3 units. I played before mostly FS2020 and 2024 as flying sims.
I can't believe I am considering flight sticks now. Dammit, this was beautiful.
Hi Cmdr.
Please do the keybinding setup! There could be many features that are missed for new cmdr's coming from Elite.
These smooth maneuvers are lovely, thanks for sharing your setup. I've got the Warthog and I'm wondering how its throttle would get along with a 2nd stick.
A wonderful video! I feel as though this should be the second stage of learning decoupled. I got the logic in space quickly where it can be useful for combat, but did not quite realize that it is so "hover" based in atmo. Can't wait to try it!
Nice work with the widgets and your setup. It is worth pointing out that Virpil is not "the" only answer; you can achieve this with VKB just as well, or with a right-hand Winwing with a twist module. And arguably on the left stick Thrustmaster does a good enough job since the centre-detent is not an issue (even an advantage for thruster separation). Worth pointing it all out so you don't sound like a commercial! Unless you have to? ;)
Personally, I use…
Right joystick:
- left/right = yaw axis (better aiming combine with pitch)
- up/down = pitch
- twist = roll
Left joystick:
- left/right = strafe left/right
- up/down = strafe up/down (better precision for fly by just above the ground)
- twist = strafe front/back (a bit like a motorcycle?)
Your setup is wrong. Just kidding ^^
twin conny alphas, very nice, what i myself use, plus pedals for yaw and the throttle for the big ships where twin stick doesn't make sense.
I just wanted to say a big thank you for explaining this at such detail. I've been contemplating on what setup to get for SC and was torn between many things: was I going to stick with with mouse and keyboard (having clocked many hours of Arma with that setup got me pretty decent at flying heli's with WASD+arrow keys) or was I going for a HOTAS (which makes sense to me with previous games I played with that classic setup) or was I going for a controller (having played console games on a regular basis for over 2 decades) or going for HOSAS (which makes the most sense when I look at space sims) whereas I always lacked an axis when I tried to visualize that setup, but seeing how you've bound it to that brake lever it just hit me!
Still will probably go for a controller in the meantime (since I have those lying around) or going for a HOTAS (which I have somewhere, but it clutters up my desk, so I only install it when I know I can play multiple session within a short period of time), but this HOSAS and especially with the Virpils has been added to my wishlist! A man can dream :P
Once again, thanks for this detailed dive into your setup
This is the very one video that will make me buy dual stick for this amazing space sim ;)
This is the way.
Best joysticks for space flight, period.
I have dual alpha primes with the left on the Z extension, so I did the up and down strafe on it's Z-axis. I TRIED for months (not weeks) to get the sliders to work but they don't. I tried to set them as button press and that wouldn't work either because my left stick's slider triggers for no reason and VPC deadzone didn't work at all. I have to go a different route anyway because star citizen would keep seeing my two identical bases as the same, even though I am correctly setup in VPC's software. I had to use hidhide, vjoy and gremlin to get mine to work best for me, but that means I have a 6 axis limit with one vjoy. 2 causes me other issues I just rather not deal with anymore,,, for now. I can't wait until I can manuever as smoothly as you. I played for so long with keyboard and mouse, it's just hard to dedicate practice time for it, but I must. I go back and forth. I had deadzone issues where if I touched the mouse, after the stick, it would be locked out, but setting deadzones in star citizen itself has made most of my issues a thing of the past.
Can you do, or have you done a video about your set-up? Looks clean, looked at the monstertech chair setup myself, but not entirely sure yet... looks very clean how you have it!
I'm going to try the dual stick setup... I'm currently using a Warthog stick and mouse on the right...and a Razor kepad on the left... I use the keypad for rudder because the Warthog doesn't have the twist... It works great for ED and SC...
Some things I think the game needs, especially after watching this...
Something in between coupled and decoupled mode that can be used in gravity wells that lets the ship operate as if it is in decoupled mode, but automatically applies enough thrust to keep you from falling... that would be neat
An autopilot mode to maintain pitch that can be used near planets so you can feel comfortable leaving you chair while flying near a planet knowing you won't be slowly changing angle or anything.
I'd love to get a virpil setup but I'm kind of torn... Twin stick does seem optimal but I also really like HOTAS for things other than SC and E:D etc. I know some people have done dual stick plus a throttle, but that gets pretty expensive and possibly unwieldy to set up depending on your gaming space.
Maybe give an "Engineer" mode for those tech heads who like to tweak the ships to get full control and manage it exactly the way they want. If anyone else were to steal it and fly it they would probably crash because they wouldn't understand what is going on. This would allow pilots to personalize exactly how the ship flies for THEIR needs.
Nice rig you have there!! I use the Thrustmaster Warthog stick and throttle and I love them. Solid steel is the way to go. I also use a VKB T-Rudder MKIV which is also all steel construction. I round it all off with the Obutto tubular steel cockpit. Star Citizen is such a dream to fly when you are in the proper seating position. Get a good cockpit, mine is designed for sim racing, but works excellent with flight sims also. It also has a mouse and keyboard mount that can sit above your lap making it easy to switch back and forth between air and ground controls.
Thank you so much. This blew my mind and made me buy those sticks. I am sooo looking forward to enjoying a premium space helicopter experience. Love and light 2u. 😸😇
If you ever do this again, it would be great to see your joystick movement instead of the squares. I have a hard time picturing the stick movement with just the dots moving around.
Nice, I use a TM Warthog myself and have the "left stick" mapped to the 2 hats on the back of the throttle. Might have to try out dual sticks though for the coolness factor.
really nice flying! great setup as well.. those Virpil sticks are a bit out of my price range, but I'm definitely considering the VKB Gladiator dual sticks.. hopefully I can achieve the same precision
What do you use to mount the joysticks to you chair ?
From the look of it seems to be MonsterTech mounts.
@@Jamestismyname Do they go on any chair?
@@AbuN4z1r That I remember they have a few different types to fit a range of chairs but, they also have table mounts too. www.monstertechusa.com/product/joystick-hotas-chair-mount/
@@AbuN4z1r pretty much, they have a few different mounting plates for various chair styles
Yep, Monstertech!
It was super interesting, very smooth (your voice, and the controls).
I used to use a very similar setup with ED flying in VR, with two logitech sticks.
Maze you fly so well and smooth!
Rrrr!
I found this as a link from reddit comment as an example of the best dual stick setup for space sims and my golly they were right.
I recently got a VKB Gladiator after my t16k stick died a noble death. i have been struggling with the TWCS throttle and VKB setup in space sims and was considering getting a 2nd Gladiator with the Omni-Throttle adapter (putting the left stick at a near right-angle).
I think id put Up and Down on the left stick twist, like a motorbike, as i wouldn't have the pinky triggers.
Ive been using a cheapie set of dual logitech 3d pro joysticks for Star Citizen for a long time, they work pretty well, though not as robust as your sticks.
Nice. I didn't transition to the dual sticks until after I upgraded to the titan. In fact, I had rented a Cutlass Black when I did and I love the flight model of that ship a lot.
The titan actually pitches the nose quite a bit up when you take off, I'll have to try decoupled mode more, I often use it in combat. I had some issues with cruise control being easily set on my Orbweaver and didn't realize that it was on. Confused the hell out of me as there is no indicator for it, which seems odd.
One thing about the Elite flight model that I love is if you use a strafe axis for up and down, left and right, if you reduce the throttle you will put more power to the strafe axis. This makes for some very satisfying flying and great fun when landing at outposts. It's also very nice in combat. I have never really gotten the hang of FA off though, I just haven't done enough combat and I get frustrated pretty quickly.
I enjoy both of the Elite and Star Citizen flight models.
I know this video is a year old but I've REALLY been wanting a good flight stick setup for my new PC build and for Star Citizen and other flying games but this review has definitely made me wanna pull the trigger on these bad boys so thank you so much for your awesome review!!! I can't help but notice those don't look like the 'virpil mounts' and I've been racking my brain trying to figure out which mounts you're using for the sticks, keypad and your chair cause that's the most I've been struggling with to find xD
You’re very welcome! I am using chair mounts by Monstertech attached to the Virpil WarBRD bases.
The keypad is just a cheap Chinese knock off. Any will do!
The chair I do not recommend. It’s not great!
@@BlackMaze Thanks so much!! I'll have to check it out later for sure!
I was just about to give up on Star citizen since the flying is so hard with all the controls set to the opposite of whats natural. (Dunno, maybe i pushed some button to reverse the settings.) One last try with Virpils.
Very good video, keep up the good work.
You sir...are a hero amongst men.
Amazing content.
Amazing game.
What interests me: how did you install the Virpils on your chair? Those mounts - are they homemade or purchased? Where?
Monstertech chair mounts!
@@BlackMaze Thanks!
Thanks for this! Really appreciate it. Just waiting on my virpil dual sticks to arrive (although I also got peddles due to wrist problems not allowing me to use twist)
So I'm rewatching this as I'm about to start planning my control layout, and at 0:14 I saw a box attached to your PC case and was wondering what it was.
It's the PC case itself through a hole in the cabinet. I cut a hole out so the case could suck cold air out the front to optimise cooling :D
Wow! .. wish one day I can fly as smooth as you! 👏🏿👏🏿
would be cool to know how you feel if you see less... far less like in any of the Freelancer variants (medium ship) or a Starlifter (large ship but with vtol thrusters) where all you ave is a rather small, horizontal window/windshield and way more mass to handle... and try to land a Carrack like you did the aurora... you can rent those sips at the spaceports (different ships at different ports) or ask sommebody on te server if they'll let you have theirs...
I will definitely be doing a ships video!
I agree, try larger ships. For example an MSR wouldnt do well with the sexy angle landing. I do full inverted, and fly into it almost directly at the landing slot then flattening out as i enter.
I like the way you setup all of the sticks, and the mouse and keyboard mini-attachments to your chair. Could you provide links to the mini-attachments for all the parts used to set it all up to your chair?
They are Monstertech mounts
@@BlackMaze Cool. Thank you.
I have the dual Alphas as well, but I have vertical on one of the z-axis. Your configuration seems smoother. I wonder if the scroll wheel could somehow be programmed to increase/decrease vertical thrust? Then you could adjust to the right level and leave it.
Could you do a video explaining what software you use and how to install the sticks and do the mapping?
one question with regards to maintaining altitude. did you toggle the vtol? the aurora has fans similar to the connie that help maintain lift since it doesn't have aerodynamic surfaces.
Also curious about your HOSAS mounting (mounted to your chair). What's you take on mounting on the desk vs. mounting to the chair?
Can you put a complete list of your equipment in the description i.e. chair, rests ect please
It'd be awesome if you could do a video on your keybinds, or even just export them and put them in a drop box for us to play with!
I've got a hotas from virpil with a alpha stick. now i want to trade in my throttle for another alpha stick :D
The throttle is quite nice though... perhaps not as useful for 6DOF games but still a very nice control.
Argh, both BlackMaze and SubliminalsTV are sooooo teasing us with those dual sticks that me and my hotas are starting to feel bad lol Plus those mounts for chair or desk looks' so god damn cool. dammit
I have both the dual sticks, throttle and Rutter pedals honestly.
- Throttle I have a warthog, I use one the throttles handles to change the speed limiter. And the other one is forward thrust (I use it outside of combat when I want to set up a cruise speed for confort.) I don't use it much in combat but it's very nice in non combat situations. Plus it gives you extra buttons for non combat stuff like landing gear, lights, V-tol etc...)
- Both joystick I use for dogfighting right joystick I have pitch, roll. Left I have Straff and also setted up forward/backward straff on the Z axis to control my speed In combat. Along with assigning all combat and flight related essentials (missile operator mode, scan, guns, targeting, powe management).
- Rutter pedals: I use them like an helicopter. So for UP/DOWN thrusters and for Yaw. I prefer to do it this way because of my helicopter flight experience and I find it less tiring to use yaw on the pedals.
But you can also put staff UP/Down, yawn on the joysticks. And use the pedal just for straff forward/back. Which is more natural for some people (like a car). That the most common way people use them in space sim. But not the way they are used in flight Sims. So it's a choice between realism or something that is easier to learn.
Point being, two sticks in a space sim is a must IMO. But that doesn't mean not adding a hotas and even Rutter pedals doesn't improve the experience. I definitely does, It use them all the time.
But if you are on a tight budget, have two joysticks with X-Y-Z axis is enough to fully control the ship.
@@gravedarkheart2290 yes you are right! I will save up for a left stick 🚀
@@gravedarkheart2290 go HOTASAS
I would like to see some examples in a ship with a clear canopy such as the avenger titan.