Why Warner and DC Wanted (and still want!) to BURY the SNYDER CUT
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
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Curtesy of AT&T and HBO Max, the Snyder Cut will be released. However, Warner and their DC outfit, would have preferred you to see it, for it might expose their past errors, and undermine their future plans.
More newsoutlets are beginning to cover this as well, so in this editorial @AndreEinherjar will go through some of that coverage, reiterate and add some more information to why Warner and DC did not, and more importantly, still do not want to release the Snyder cut.
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So this studio took not one, but TWO films, took away creative control from the director, butchered them beyond repair in editing, and then had the balls to say that the director was the problem in order to justify butchering the third film. Makes perfect sense.
Remember Fant4stic? #ReleaseTheTrankCut
That's corporate Hollywood for you. Clueless execs micromanage a film into a trainwreak, then blame the director when it turns out to be a trainwreak at the boxoffice.
Eh, this video was a little disingenuous. Snyder's movies were still far, far from perfect even without studio interference.
Joel
Exactly.
Snyder fanboys are so deluded it's sad!
Three. WB forced the lesser theatrical edit of BvS, then let a trailer company edit Suicide Squad, then acted like monkeys flinging poop with Justice League.
Man of Steel got a much better critical reception than those. It’s amazing how that happens.
This is the problem when ego get's in front of business. I don't care about the Snydercut, but it doesn't make business sense to not release something that's in high demand.
Is it really though?
Joseph Mora we will see. But the hashtag got very popular and people see it everywhere. So I think it will spread by the word of mouth for sure and has a high potential of being successful on hbo
@@josephmora5230 Time will tell, but it has a built in audience, and a directors cut isn't exactly a new concept. I hated BvS, but I'll probably get HBO max for this alone. The artistic curiosity has me.
eon001 Has a directors cut that requires about 30 million dollars to be completed ever been done before tho?
@@williamtimonen6814 Nope. But there's never been a directors cut that's had this much demand for it either. This is a unique case. It could flop horribly or be an amazing success.
This makes me praise At&t more for exposing wb stupidity
Exactly! Just think: if it wasn’t for AT&T getting the drop on them we as consumers would probably NEVER KNOW.
(Outside of speculation)
Plus they are the ones who prodded Warner into firing Dan DiDio after 18 years of damage to the comic side and the morale
@@SuperWolsey Makes me wish they sold DC to Universal.
@Tom The Fish Aww, does the New 52 stan want a diaper change?
Get stuffed, fuckboi
@@isaiahslack1989 MGM would be better. They'd be stronger between owning them and Bond.
The DCEU's management has earned the privilege of being undermined by AT&T.
Snyder has never to my Knowledged attacked the fans for disliking BVS or justice league.... I’ll support the Snyder cut for this reason alone.
Welcome to the internet.
He was a bit salty when his grim vision of heroism is challenged but yeah you are right. In general he didn't attack the fans or anything.
I'm paraphrasing but he said if you dont think batman kills people you're a fucking idiot.
@@Mealsandwheels Batman originally killed people until WW2 when people wanted lighter more positive entertainment.
Batman still kills periodically.
I support the Snyder cut for similar reasons, but I do not support Snyder's direction for the DCU. It was to dark and took to many liberties in Characterization.
I couldn't care less about the Snyder cut personally. But At&T forcing Warner's hand is very surprising, yet very funny. After every botched job they've done in the past decade or so, this may teach the head honcho's at WB some humility.
MaJuV there is a god and her name is Karma
You say that about WB, but what about the executives at AT&T? By doing this, they are muddying the plans of one of their subsidiaries in order to boost up another.
@@deidryt9944 But, didn't that same subsidiary (WB) already muddy the plans of The DCEU, by altering the original narrative and filmic structure for it, by thwarting, and then parting with, the main creator/overseer/Supervising Producer, who was spearheading it; then, chopping up his original 2-film epic in to a 2-hr. overly-simplistic, uncharacteristic, easily-digestible romp? And when the Warner Bros. version made less than $700 Million at The Box Office, certain studio heads were fired. So, a wrench has already been thrown in to the original inner workings of Warner Bros. and The DCEU. What happens if Zack Snyder's Justice League is monumentally better-received by audiences, and critically-praised by critics, and sets a new record for Streaming ratings for an original work/series? What if the show becomes, eventually, a #1 bestselling DVD/Blu-ray? What if it ends up having a 2-week theatrical run in movie theaters, and makes money? What if, years from now, Snyder's version becomes the official version, by default; and when it finally makes its Television broadcast debut, it makes profit in that medium, as well? Wouldn't that net gains for BOTH AT&T and Warner Bros., in the long run? Or, is this a Pride and Ego Thing, on the part of these big corporations, realizing that consideration and respect for loyal, and very powerful, fanbases/consumers/customers, can profoundly affect their respective profit margins?
@@plbenton you mean Norris, Chuck Norris
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 Except that Justice League made what it did BECAUSE of Snyder. His two preceding films were god awful, so no one was excited to see Justice League. Also you're delusional if you think Snyders cut will become the 'official' version, I would put a solid fifty bucks on it being worse just from how his two previous DC entries went. Snyders got some films I like but handling classic superheroes ain't his thing.
I'm starting to think there's a power struggle going on, just like there's one going on at Disney. It's just not out in the open.
Lol you just now realizing?
Exactly lool things are starting to show now
Correction: There is a power struggle going on in the USA since 2016
I wouldn''t call it a "struggle" AT&T owns their asses. They do what they're told or they're gone. No struggle involved.
J B Hollywood is out of touch with reality, their egos are bigger then their IQ, God forbid giving the fans (you know, the people that give you money) what they want, and they always call fans of any franchise as Racists, masoginists, sexists, Toxic, etc (as if that was going to help their case) Hollywood is doing nothing more than pushing people like us away and looking for entertaintment in independant media (like fan films, youtubers that are movie critics with no agenda and independant reporters) and that’s why Hollywood and big tech want everything censored so they are the the only ones in charge of giving your their opinions, but by this point everyone woke up to this truth and Hollywood is about to be in for a rude awakening once Corona Virus goes away, they’ll notice that everyone has been doing their research and we are no longer their sheeple and I can’t wait to see that happen.
So they don’t want this cut released, because it notifies the public that they didn’t do their job? I thought Poor Management should be acknowledged and talked about, it’s called broadcasting the news and letting the public know the REAL story of what happened behind the curtains that caused such calamity. The public has the right to know. Also, if there is a better version of a movie, why not release it and fix what you can fix? This is why I am behind this cut release 💯%. The Sonic Effect is in full effect and it’s not playing around. #savepopcorn.
Well unfortunately now a days studios often refuse to admit they messed up and blame everyone but themselves
@@alexwallar8608 Movie Studios are like bratty teenagers.
Shareholders have a right to know, but not the general public. We’d like to know, but we don’t have actual right to.
Kamandi why not?
@@Blueberry40 its a private company. Thats like saying the people have a right to know the owner bought a sack of salt instead of sugar, so he wasted money.
The public would have a right to know if the bakery's products poisoned someone, yes, but thats it.
Whether it's good or bad, I'll still be curious to see it for myself.
Whether it'll be good or bad, at the very least I want it to happen by Zack's very own hands, not by someone else
@@f4ww4z Zack's incompetent hands. I fixed it for you.
But joking aside... I know ones "original vision" is all the rage right now, but that doesn't equal quality.
@@pickyricky6226 Neither does retooling it and turning it into a parody. Because we all know what a smashing success that was. I just want Affleck back as Batman. I don't care about anything else.
The latest Alien movies were the directors vision too, so I will wait and see.
At this point I just want to see it and judge for my self. Intresting thing is they spent untold millions advertising the original movie and this already has its audience without a penny being spent on media advertising.
Ben Affleck will be the the superior Batman in 2021.
Only if based on weight or liver function tests.
Both Affleck And Pattinson Will Be Good and That's what all that matters.
it will be different and i believe both will be great just different
@Mcheetah wow u so edgy... i guess you are Bale fanboy right?
@Mcheetah Agreed. I have never thought Affleck was a good actor and we're not doing twilight again.
Shazam's only problem was being released sandwiched in between Captain Marvel and Avengers: Endgame. It was actually a good movie that was a hit with critics and audiences alike, but audiences had their monthly movie budgets and those budgets didn't really include enough room to include something outside the MCU.
Then again, who watch Captain Karen anyway?
@@justnoob8141 Never watched it. Never will.
I liked Shazam. It was the straight up superhero movie people were complaining DC didn't make.
@Fisher Theo My male Captain Marvel is Billy Batson. My female Captain Marvel is Monica Rambeau.
@@justnoob8141 Well, evidently quite a few people watched it, seeing how it made 1.1 billion... Despite the controversies it clearly found an audience
I'm curious about the Snyder cut. Have no need for the Ayer one but if people want to see it, they have the right to ask. Products are driven by demand so go for it.
This right here.
It's not that easy. Just because a loud section of fans demands something does not mean their demands should be given in to. The DCEU is such a mess that the greenlighting of this Snyder Cut is nothing short of an act of desperation.
Most people probably don't even remember this movie is a thing. Only DCEU tribalists care. We'll see if they alone can elevate something, though then again that's probably why this is only for streaming.
The reason people are pushing for both cuts so hard is because it feels like from the very *beginning* the suits were incompetent in handling the dceu and silently let Zack & Ayer take the fall publicly.
They did a lot of wrongs and now’s the time to right them.
@@LinkMarioSamus If they're willing to pay for it then why not give in to their demands? We got the Donner cut of Superman 2 that way.
@Greg Elchert Viola Davis indeed is the DCEU's best casting choice alongside Affleck
Remember when Jay Oliva said that Afflecks Batman movie had the best Batman script he ever read?
And Kevin Smith said was Oscar worth it!
WB is like the abusive girlfriend, while AT&T is the sweet girlfriend who spoils you
Except when it comes to your bills
@@natehiggins2487 oh yeah
Kinda reminds me of hearing about Supermariologan's girlfriend craze.
@@isaiahslack1989 who?
@@darkroninmarvel SuperMarioLogan he's a UA-camr.
Let Reeves be a separate trilogy like Joker and let affleck be the DCEU’s Batman as intended
Batfleck is over. Affleck is an unreliable drunk
Imagine if any MCU actor's reaction to the hype was to gain 60 lbs and drink themselves into a high profile divorce. They'd get recast too. They're never even offered script control and chance to direct either.
Connor McClenny yet he’s now doing movies again, dating the hot “Ana De Armas”, and in tip-top shape!
Lol troll harder.
Parallel universes and Flash is the one who can travel from one to another
@@connormcclenny9681 I doubt Affleck will be back. However, an older (40+) Batman is for the best if they want to try again with a cinematic universe. Then they can have Nightwing, Red Hood, Oracle, Damien, Tim, etc. You need a Batman with 20+ years of history in the cape for all those characters.
The moral of the story is that if you are dealing with a massive franchise, with a well establish canon and loyal fanbase, you better do your homework: study the lore and fan's preferences, create a outline (and a plan B and C in case that something doesn't go smoothly). Keep the character's core values and personality, if you are going to change them, you better show the development in scream in a coherent way. DO NOT patronize you audience with obvious political messages, create good characters that happens to be women/minorities/LGBTQ etc. And finally, RESPECT YOUR FANS
nuh-uh no ways that makes WAAY too much sense
If there is a purge of upper management at WB, they establish a proper autonomous DC Studios (like Marvel Studios) and put someone in charge of it who knows what they're doing, the DCEU can be saved.
I'm on Snyder's side. As an Artist you do what YOU want to express in your Artwork. As a Business Person you do not do that instead you simply try to satisfy the Customers Need and stupidly try to copypaste from others success (e.g. MCUs The Avengers) to give what THEY want you to do.
Make your Choice
I don't think Disney Star Wars understands that.
Morons, all of you. The moral of the story is stick to the plan. If Snyder knew a damn thing about accuracy to the source material he wouldn't have said batman could get raped in prison in his batman movie
I love the fact that they're releasing it. Affleck was great in the suit and this movie can't be worse than the garbage that was the 2017 Justice League. That movie tried to have the tone of both BvS and the Clooney-led Batman&Robin at the same time.
I'm also fine with them not making the Pattinson movie. Not because I think he'd be a bad fit for Batman, but judging from the images of the suit, car, and bike, I wouldn't be able to stomach it for more than 20 mins.
Yeah, the whole thing just screams of "Bad idea".
Schadenfreude the type of stuff that you see coming from MILES away
I'm not all that hyped for that Pattinson Batman either.
@Zardoz what did you think of Keaton?
@Zardoz and you'd say Keaton had the physique to kickass? Who do you think you're fooling with the attacks on Pattinson? It's hilarious when you have fits & demand a steroid body & think the list of actors that have played Batman isn't known & their physiques!
_I honestly really am indifferent to the Synder Cut being released (Not of fan of his films as whole anyway) but WB not happy with it being made under AT&T further shows how much they really messed up handling the DC Cinematic Universe._
Is it weird to say that at&t are the good guys in this? Whether the Snyder Cut is better or worse I want to see Snyder's vision of the film
I dont live in the US, is AT&T bad or something?
Great take as always, Andre. While I'm not into the DCEU and Snyder(I find his work a mixed bag on this front), I am happy that the fans of his work were able to make a difference and are getting what they want. As for Warner Brothers, yeah shame on them, specifically Kevin Tsujihara who only cared about his bloody bonus as opposed to making a good product. Overall, I hope that the Snyder stuff is successful so at the very least we can hopefully start a tide of Hollywood moving forward and past the 2016 age of crap that we got. Because if I am to be blunt; I'm sick and tired of the woke crap that is around. I want good, quality storytelling that does not give me one side or preaches. Is that so hard to ask?
magellanthecat what this new wave of consumer demand does is REMOVE THE MIDDLE MAN (sjw’s/bloggers) and brings the studios & customers closer together
This is the start of something BIG.
@@supermagnumable So true , its sad the studios decide what we should like and not like which takes the power away from us as fans and consumers.
@@magellanthecat Human Target was good
Both a bonus and getting Brit coochie (i.e. Charlotte Kirk)
A fan victory because a business acted like a business. I hope its a big success but I'm out of region unless I vpn.
If it's good then buy a steel box. Those kind of numbers will make the top brass happy. Just hope those sjw in DC division don't insert weird stuff in
@@seanc9520 It wasn't woke agendas that screwed up DC movies (other than BoP) it was the ego of incompetent executives and producers. Those suits probably thought they were responsible for Chris Nolan's success so they threw their weight around and micromanaged the DCEU into crap.
Oh I don't mind woke if it's well done. Live in south east asia and your woke mostly comes across as cultural differences. But when it's badly done, becomes just weird stuff.
@Seth Hultkrantz
Well hello there.
Do you have a rocket ship to leave the planet?
I think it's really gonna become a big necessity...
@Seth Hultkrantz
Are you sure you can trust him?
they deserve all the criticism and everything WB and DC brought upon themselves and just admit they failed so bad...
Damn right they deserve it. Everything these studios do seems lazy to me. If WB or any of the others can't give fans what they want, why makes movies to begin with? I guess all the social justice bullshit they push is just an excuse to not have to try as hard.
@@Elfrunner it has to do with moving on and never looking back into the past. Zack Snyder gave warner two huge failures thus they want him to remaim buried in the past
@@Halfort57
What about Birds of Prey? That's not something I'd want to remember.
@@Halfort57 it wasnt Snyders fault at all. Again it was incompetence and fucking up his ideas and movies. He wanted to do Man of steel 2 after first one but they said no we want to be Marvel 2 and rushed with BvS. They fucked up Ayers Suicide Squad and changed the movies completely and we all know the result. The same with BvS it was suppose to be like 4 hour long movie but again they said no and he was forced to cut it and thats the reason why so many things happen in the movie and some things doesnt make sense because there are scenes missing.
@@Elfrunner Actually, it's not that. They THINK they're giving fans what they want. Because they're rich, they think they know best than everyone else, and don't have to ask anyone, just check their survey charts and interpret them however they want, which is just a way to say they are only trying to feel vindicated that they had the right thinking all along. When the movie bombs, you can be sure they blame everyone but themselves. Because they firmly believe they can never be wrong.
God what a mess. Still, I'm happy the Snyder Cut will release, not because I'm interested in the DCEU, but because they listenes to the fans; how refreshing.
I'll take Bulky Batffleck over "I won't work out" Patinson any day.
At least Affleck was commited,regardless of the missmanagement of his character
I've never been a fan of Affleck's acting, but he sure as shit LOOKED like Dark Knight Returns' Batman.
Like his directing, though.
GhostProject that was a joke about refusing to work out, idk why so many people are losing their minds over it 🤦♂️
@@theinvictussamaritan4778 Because making a joke at the expense of a character that is supposed to be at the top of his physical prowess is not funny?
GhostProject again you’re taking it too seriously and probably didn’t even read his exact quote, just the headline. He has a very dry sense of humor (very Batman like). He’s gonna bulk up but at the end of the day I don’t care because he’s gonna have a muscle suit on just like Affleck and every single superhero in modern film, Michael Keaton wasn’t even ripped when playing Batman, I don’t need a shirtless Bruce Wayne scene.
@@theinvictussamaritan4778 Again, commitment is key here, not being "ripped". Pattinson may change my mind later on but as of now I just don't see him as Batman (especially not as Year One Batman).
Also, Patinson is no Keaton.
I’m happy to see what Zack’s vision finally being realized. I loved MoS and BvS so this will bring a good resolution to the drama surrounding those movies. I also would love to see Ben Affleck back as Batman but only if he’s 100% sure he’s stable enough to do it. Health is far more important than entertainment
Maybe we can have Affleck be batman in dceu and keep reeves batman as esleworld story to dceu like joker.
2 scrawny guys hitting each other... Lol
Yeah if anything the thing that separates Dc from Marvel now is not the dark tone but the freedom of doing movies in different continuities which id say is the one thing holding Marvel down (Edgar Wright’s Antman anybody?) they should try focus on the Elseworlds/alternate universe stories Dc in comics is so well known for, allowing different directors/writers to have their takes on the characters.
Multiverse my man i bet in like 10 years we will see them both in one movie
That’s not a bad idea at all.
_Batman Forces_
I think Directors Cuts are generally good for everyone. It's an opportunity for the creators to gain artistic integrity and it's an opportunity for the studio to make more money. I don't think the Snyder Cut will be "good" but I expect it to be interesting and generate a lot of fan debate which only stokes demand for the next thing.
@petulant nobody would have any problem with the special editions if the originals were available in a reasonable quality, which have been painstakingly made available by the fan-community.
I just want good DC movies with the heroes, supporting cast and villains being represented and portrayed properly on the big screen. Is that too much for a DC fan to ask for in an interconnected movie world? Aside from Wonder Woman, Aquaman & Shazam, aparantly it is and now they're going back to that well, which will only prompt the Synder Cut crusaders to demand more Snyder movies and depressing, dreary DC movies continuing in that same vein. 😔
@@IronTonyStark I don't think Snyder or his style are coming back anytime soon. Meanwhile Birds Of Prey is a lot better than this channel makes it out. Honestly a lot better than Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
@@gblatt8472 Who knows at this point.
Personally wasn't too impressed with Birds of Prey and it it's insane Harley Quinn subtitle. Margot Robbie is a good Harley Quinn and the end sequence was the highlight, but the try to hard to mimick the Deadpool narrative style, costumes (or lack thereof accurate ones were pathetic), dainty Black Mask until the climactic scene was odd as hell and overall didnt do sufficient justice to the Birds of Prey, Black Canary, Huntress or Renee Monoya. Could have been decent but too much wasted potential sadly.
@@IronTonyStark I mean personally (and I know it's an unpopular take, don't hate) but I was never a big fan of Deadpool and I think Reynolds's comedy chops are the biggest problem. But that's subjective. Birds Of Prey definitely had some Deadpool vibe (non-linear, 4th wall breaking comedy) but BoP was more punky and anarchic, a little more like Tank Girl, which didn't really bother me. Black Canary was done dirty, no doubt. Everyone else, including dainty Black Mask, Zazz and Montoya were a delightful hoot. Not every costume was comic accurate, but everything Harley wore was iconic and amazing.
I'm curious about the green lantern scene.
As am i
Deadpool is yelling "NO GREEN!"
@@justnoob8141 to be honest, Ryan Reynolds was not the best casting choice for Hal Jordan.
I would like Matt Damon as Green Lantern, becouse Bats would mock him :D
@@DukeofKeK to be honest Reynolds was the best part of the movie.....
Deadpool 2 made more money than JUSTICE LEAGUE.
A movie with Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman made less money than Deadpool 2.
WTF.
Suicide Squad made more money than Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman combined.
A longer, more boring cut of an already long, boring movie sounds like a truly horrendous idea. Seems to me like they're banking of pure fanboyism to carry the day, here.
who said its the same movie?
Your channel sucks
BvS failed at theatres because WB cut it to hell making the movie practically unwatchable because it was confusing and hard to follow. The Ultimate cut released to home cinema was far better, but still had problems because the 20 minutes added to the theatrical cut, in the Ultimate cut, was still nowhere near the near hour that was cut. Justice League failed because Steppenwolf wasn't a big enough threat, as a first movie of two's introduction to Apokolips it was a good move, as you didn't want to waste Darkseid on the first film, but Steppenwolf being the enemy for a stand alone movie was laughable and second the HUGE as well as frequent changes in tone hurt the films pacing.
It still made almost 900 million and sold like 100 million in dvd sales
@@BaronVonBielski And how does that relate to how good or bad a movie is?
@@BaronVonBielski WB wanted a billion dollar spectacle, like The MCU, but in their eyes if failed. After the HUGE marketing campaign, filming costs, distribution costs and other expenses (which are never disclosed) Justice League needed to do at least three times it's estimated budget to be considered a hit by Hollywood. It made $657,924,295 world wide and cost roughly $300 million. For WB to consider it a hit it would have needed to have made $900 million at bare minimum.
I remember watching it in the theater and you could obviously tell there was stuff that was cut out and made the pacing off putting. The ultimate cut was a far better product, granted it still had some issues but probably would've made more money had they not butchered it
No, the movie failed because it just wasn't that good. The Ultimate cut made it more coherent; but at the end of the day, Snyder just didn't understand Superman.
SHAZAM would've been more successful if they marketed it as a XMAS film and released around thanksgiving
Agree.
It did OK for a $90M budget. I had never heard of the character before it was added to the slate back in 2013 or 2014. I’m glad they seem to be letting it play out because it’ll get bigger once you bring in Dwayne Johnson as Black Adam.
One of your best videos. (And that is saying something with your epic history) Your section on "the scale of mismanagement" by DC had to be said and was a long time coming. One of the biggest reasons why there are so many problems with this IP. It's rotten management getting paid ridiculous amounts of money to essentially burn studio profits.
The biggest issue has been trying to make every hero as dark as Batman Begins. People want hopeful, bright heroes too.
Yep. Shocking to some people but yeah heroes like the big blue scout superman are kinda popular as well. Or wonder woman. And the dynamics are better when you put heroes like batman with heroes because they different points of view despite being heroes.
Fuck that! The darker the better, in my opinion. That is why I loved The Boys. It showed how superheroes would be in real life, had they been real. I hate that happy, hopeful crap.
@@sixmarch Then watch the boys. No seriously there are stories about heroes, anti heroes and villains. The boys is mostly about anti heroes and villains. There is no reason for you to see hopeful heroes if you don't want to just like others don't have to see stories who are centered mostly around anti heroes and villains.
There was nothing dark about Superman. He was simply placed in the real world and people don't like that, they want to escape from the real world. There was a point in doing that. Superman needed something to overcome and when he's finally a boy scout, people can then relate to him more than any of iteration. Superman is boring to people, because he doesn't share the same struggles we do. Synder was giving him reasons to be hopeful and he has to discover things about himself. He has to have a reason for a no kill rule and why he doesn't do it. He needs a line and then has to decide why he won't cross it, not because he was just born good. That's what makes him boring.
The only thing in common these movies have with Batman Begin is that they are put in a real world. That's it. Batman is the dark character in BvS, he is at his worst and Superman gives him a reason to see the best in humanity. This is called character development. He goes from jaded to hopeful.
People would reject Superman. Half the world would worship him. Then Clark would struggle with it and overcome. That makes him interesting. The Christopher Reeve Superman was great and hopeful, but literally doesn't have to overcome anything until he gives up his powers. He was not relatable.
I think Snyder's films aren't for everyone. They are very analytical, metaphorical, cerebral and artistic. He assumes the audience is savvy enough to get it, and maybe to his detriment. Not everyone likes Superheroes deconstructed. They don't want a Superman to struggle to be good. At the same time, when he's just good from the start, people find him boring.
I personally love this version of this universe. It's a breathe of fresh air. We already have bright, colorful, light, popcorn superhero movies.
If you've read about Synder's 5 film arc, he was leading Superman up to what people expect. But, we needed to relate to him first, so Superman is modern, instead of dated. So, DC would have a property that has life again.
That's just my take. Obviously, people pushing for the Synder cut understood where he was going. Zack always said all along that Superman would go through things to get him to where we know.
@@itsalwayssomething7490 You fundamentally misunderstand superman. Superman can be placed in a cynical world but that wouldn't make him cynical in any way. In superman vs the elite he faced a similar situation when people start to want more violent solutions to crimes but he stayed true to himself and made people see this was not the right way.
And the fact that you believe people relating to superman more is good is also a sign you don't understand him. As a superman comic writer once said 'Don't make superman relatable. Make him inspiring'.
Superman learned his values from his parents. He struggles here and then but he stays true to his values and that is why people are inspired. It would be easy to be bad. But it is way more difficult to be good. Like when batman said in the red hood movie I want to kill the joker but I know I won't stop if I take this path.
If you think people find good superheroes boring then there was an article who shockingly said now that is seems like luke skywalker who is a conventional hero like superman is actually quite popular.
Tons of people like conventional superheroes. Superman is dc's top hero and perhaps the most popular hero in the world and he is a conventional hero. Way more people like hopeful heroes than the compromised ones.
It's interesting to hear that B v S was Warner's mandate to Snyder instead of it bring his idea. I'm a lifetime fan of comics, I love the stories they tell, I've always felt they shouldn't rush to do a team up movie until they could at least introduce the "Trinity".
All they have to do is create an Elseworlds story down tbe line.
Delevop a clear vision for the cinematic universe, adjust accordingly. For all the success Marvel has had remember Ang Lee' Hulk didn't do well, even thought I feel it was great till the third act, and Ed Norton's wasn't a box office hit. It took a while for those movies to burn bright.
I think WB was way too arrogant coming out of Nolan's Batman and thought they could do no wrong.
I believe Man Of Steel 2 was called Man Of Tomorrow so, it sounds like Snyder indeed had plans for another standalone movie.
Yeah it definitely makes me think that some big wig was like "I want to see Batman and Superman fight and I want to see it NOW", too bad really.
Being a longtime DC fan and preferring more of their heroes to Marvel, its irritating watching them hite the wrong people, seeing WB executives with no imagination or love for these characters that they basically own lock stock and barrel, and outright botch these films.
It at least seemed with Geoff John's at the helms that things were taking a turn for the better in terms of execution with Aquaman, Shazam and Wonder Woman turned out good being isolated from Snyder visual aesthetic and tone.
Arguably few people in the business today fundamentally understand the DC characters like Geoff Johns. But then they got rid of him in an executive role so now everything is caddywhompus again.
@@IronTonyStark 15 years ago I would have eagerly anticipated Geoff Johns taking the creative helm. "infinite Crisis" changed all that for me. What a horrible cross-over event, retroactively ruining the greatness of "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and destroying the character of Superboy Prime. He did a great job bringing Hal Jordan back but then ruined it with "Blackest Night". A lot of the blame goes to Dan DiDio but Geoff Johns wrote those POS.
i dont know why this channel works, but it just does. i enjoy the narration immensely. amazing work.
Every time I see Ezra Miller "I wanna fight"
You need to fight whoever green lit his version of the flash as well.
He thot patrolled. Don't hate.
smackdown
"Schneiden" is the German word for "cutting".
and "Schneider" is "Tailor"
See it's like poetry
Snijden is the Dutch word for cutting, snijder is the Dutch word for cutter, and in Dutch 'ij' is a different letter for 'y' 🍻
The Tailors Cut! Awesome
Aptronym - Having a surname appropriate to your profession
I really don't want to subscribe to HBO just to see one movie. I'd rather it come out on Blu.
Maybe it will be released to disc after a while. Streaming shows have come out on bluray before.
@@fattiger6957 It's most likely, every show from the streaming service of DC has been realesed on Blu-Ray and DVD. Warner Bros even has a subsidiary that it's dedicated to launch all their movie library on physical media.
I wouldn’t consider Shazam a failure. It was still an overall box office success, and was well received by the public. It just had a terrible release date, as it came out just a few weeks before Avengers: Endgame.
Are people really that worried about the Reeves movie? The guy has a solid track record.
They're just using it as another battle in their proxy culture war. Look at all the people claiming that Pattinson is a soyboy now just because he won't work out. It has to be bad because it helps their narrative. Its all so tiring.
@@GetterRay gordon and catwoman have been already blackwashed
@Mcheetah Pattinson saying he isn't working out doesn't mean that he's disrespecting the role, unless you think Keaton and West disrespected the role as well. I think Andre over thought the whole work out thing but he was right about one thing, he looks exactly the way the studio wants him to look. As for the rest, we haven't even seen a trailer and you're just spouting buzzwords. I hate SJWs and woke media too, but I'm not going to judge a movie before I see it lest I become just like them.
@@surobyk I mean it wouldn't be the first time we had a black catwoman. I'm not even counting that awful one but the 60's show, the first cat woman, ertha kitt, was black too.
@@Captstar2 Halle Barry isn't black
Looks like there may be someone at AT&T on the upper floors who actually _likes making money_ rather than assuaging the Twittwat Blue Checks for their social brownie points.
I love that you used that clip from Blackadder - Bollocks indeed!
Edit: My mistake for the wrong spelling
Bollocks not bullocks. Bollocks are testicles, bullocks are baby bulls.
Companies should just “shut up and take my money” when they do something we like else do whatever they want and continue to bleed money.
I only clicked on this to help spread Midnight's Edge's presence on UA-cam. I don't actually care about Justice League.
But I'm happy that the fans' desire for the Snyder cut is being fulfilled.
After watching it, somebody in Warner needs to be held accountable. This could have made a good 3-hour movie, or 2 90 minute movies that would have been immensely better than what we got. Cyborg and Barry deserved the backstory and this movie filled a ton of gaps from what we got.
The theatrical cut is dead to me.
Given how the man still stands by Batman V Superman, I fail to see how Justice League ''the way he wanted it to be'' will be anything other than mediocre to poor.
This.
Right? It's curious to me why people think this is going to be some masterpiece.
I like Batman v Superman (The Ultimate Cut), though I think that the way that it crams in the Justice League is embarrassing.
IMHO(!) The only thing truly bad about Batman v Superman was the CGI monster that showed up at the end...
the movie was OK for most of it but that shit CGI monster send the movie into Saturday Morning Cartoon territory for me, suspension of disbelief just thrown out the window at the last minute.
Justice League with its main bad guy being a dumb CGI monster was so much worse.
I do not go watch LIVE ACTION Super Hero movies to feel like i'm watching a Saturday Morning Cartoon.
I generally don't mind CGI, it only pisses me off when it is so fucking obvious that it takes me out of the movie.
The CGI here was worse than Jar Jar Binks and Episode 1 is from 1999!
I'm not a comic uber nerd, i just want to see entertaining movies, i got no problem if they tweak things from the source material or whatever... but there is no exuse for shitty CGI and your Super Hero Movie is only as good as your Villain, if your main Villain is a cartoon, then your entire movie might as well be a cartoon.
@@BrickIntyre EXACTLY! It's bizarre we even have to argue this point on social media . The Synderites who cheered on this garbage in the first place are now pretending they represent all DC fans. It would be like pretending that the "Kurtzman cut" of Star Trek Into Darkness would be some kind of masterpiece and "what the fans want".
Ben Affleck did a great job on Batman. I honestly hope we get to see more of him after the Snyder cut
“Martha.” That is my case against the Snyder cut, however I’m morbidly curious
I mean your dumbass does realize Batman does stop himself from killing Superman because their mothers have the same name? He stops because in Superman’s potentially last moment his last words are to save Martha and when Lois says it’s his mothers name Batman is reminded that he is now less human then Superman and now sees that Clark is a son and has a mother. You’re too brain dead to get that
I love when people point to the "martha" scene and think it makes them look smart for calling it stupid when it actually exposes them as having a low IQ. The very first scene we see in the movie is Batman saving a little girl from Zod's rampage. When he saves her and realizes that he didn't manage to save her parents he realizes that he's created another orphan who will go through the same suffering he did. When Superman revealed that his mother was in danger, it made Bruce realize that Superman losing his mother could be the trigger for him to take on the same dark path that he's on. Hearing Martha tells Bruce that not only is Superman human, but that this time he can stop another orphan from being created.
There are plenty of things you could complain about in BvS, like the hamfisted jesus imagery but "Martha" is one of the smarter and more subtle parts of the movie. It's so smart that dumbasses like you to this day still haven't figured it out.
yeah cause u didnt get that scene
Whoever is writing and directing over at WB DC Animations should be in charge. They get it right. I mean, the Batcave always has the giant penny and T-Rex from the comics!
Have a feeling they are trying to recapture some fan good will like sonic did. Problem is the sonic movie fixed the issue before it went live, and this feels more like a secondary money grab than a fanservice moment.
This is gona pan out the way they want 😂
Say for example that HBO Max was 10.99 a month.
Even with a million new subscribers that will only generate just over 10 million.
There is no way that a million people have been screaming for a Snyder Cut
I'll take whatever I can get, at this point. We NEED a victory.
It's not just the DC movieverse at stake here ... if this pans out, it's a kick in the teeth to Bendis, and while I personally would prefer a few nut-shots, anything that supplies the necessary clue-by-four to the head can only help.
It feels like a secondary money grab because that's exactly what it is, make no mistake about that. You think all those guys making decisions in fancy expensive suits care what some fans want? Hell, Zack Snyder himself doesn't care what fans want, he was always more concerned about making his vision of a dark, gritty and violent and depressing world a reality rather than being faithful to the characters. The higher ups calling the shots don't care about the fans nor even for Zack for that matter, they just look at it as if they found a new gold mine as if the people who sign up for their streaming service just to watch this movie is going to stay signed up paying a monthly fee for years to come. Specially if it turns out the movie is still bad anyway. People sign up, watch the movie, love or hate it most will probably unsubscribe as soon as possible. Of course they then don't show the numbers of viewings or anything like that so they can claim it is a huge success even though they will probably still not make the money back that they spend on finishing this cut.
They most certainly do care what fans want, @@SilverSonic2099 ... if the fans decide they don't want something, THEY STOP BUYING IT!!!
Case in point - the pallets-upon-pallets of unsellable Star Wars merchandise currently being run through recycling shredders, and the cargo-van loads of Disney Star Farce books being shredded and recycled into toilet paper.
When did making money by selling people stuff they actually WANT become a sin?
For whatever it's worth, as far as the film itself goes, I honestly agree with you ... Zach Snyder may not be the worst person to inflict on a Superman movie, but you have to really search to find worse. That said, there's likely more DC properties that he would absolutely ROCK than Marvel ... and the MCU at least appears to want to dive into the angst-verse headlong.
@@SilverSonic2099 you obviously don't know what you're talking about you're just use to marvel movies which are for kids hence the corny jokes, pop culture references, every one is a comedian dark and gritty is more realistic, relatable for example the joker movie was rated r and made over a billion dollars, the dark knight trilogy very successful, all marvel movies untouched by Disney that were dark iron man 1 blade 1and 2 so "dark and gritty " is mature audience and better for the super hero movies
Daaaaamn!!! A lot of GREAT info. here!!! 👏🏾
How was SHAZAM! a strikeout? Yeah, it wasn't a huge hit, but they weren't expecting it to be, hence its more modest budget. They greenlit a sequel.
I was thinking the same thing. It's my personal favorite of the newer DC films.
Man of Steel is one of my favourite movies since the turn of the century. Acting, action scenes, and soundtrack are all absolutely fantastic.
Great Editorial!
I wouldnt shed a tear if production doesn't resume because of some order directly from AT&T to keep it in mothballs. The ultimate slap in the face to WB
I’m glad to see this cut I’m not a Zack Snyder fan, but the studio should not not have brought in Whedon and it cost them in the end. This will hurt their future plans and create an even bigger “what if” scenario. Ultimately the fans that care will get a win that the fandom deserves.
I would argue that they brought him in far too late. Whedon would have been fine if it had been early enough to actually matter. It was almost impossible for any director to take a movie that is 75% or more done, rework it, and make it fit a completely new style and be good. The movie would have been far better if the two directors had been working together from the start-having a mix of darkness and humor would have worked far better than tone whiplash.
In the end, the issue in the Final movie wasn't Whedon. It wasn't Snyder. it was Warner Bros, who who basically fucked with the movie at every step of the process, during both directors' time.
Thomas Plummer I agree
At this point it does not matter what WB/DC wants. At&t is their daddy now and they call the shots. They are the ones responsible for the movie finally getting released.
Rewriting scripts during production IS what's done during film production...
Yes, some minor rewrites are common. However a movies usually turn out a mess when they completely retool a script during filming. Like when actors don't bother remembering their lines because they know they will be getting completely rewritten scenes the next day.
@@fattiger6957 Yep, Rise of Skywalker is a good example of a hot mess. The only movie that turned out great, that I know of, is The Gladiator. They didn't really have a script at all when they started filming.
@@Frosenborg there are a few. Ironman was like that and (if you liked it) Edge of Tomorrow. There are so many more that I fail to remember at the moment.
Which is why it’s dumb to tamper with something that was 85% completed with this particular movie. Josstice L was a mistake
7:09 Can't believe that _Man of Steel 2_ was rejected by Warner Bros in favor of BvS. Because of their mismanagement, we won't see Henry Cavill as the Superman we all know and love anytime soon.
Why is everyone so pumped about the first version of a dumpster fire?
A dumpster fire is a dumpster fire.
the guys delusional he thinks and wants at and t to undercut Matt reeves Batman for Snyderverse to come back. the fucking universe sucked. I don´t like the new jokey, jokey light approach they are trying, but I´m also hoping joker will show them serious movies weren´t the problem nor the tone of DCEU it was zack Snyder and david Goyer.
@@TheNerdMan2 Uh... ok
It's the principle of the thing, and the precedent it sets. Believe me, I don't get this DCEU either, and am fully of the opinion that it was a disaster from the outset, being a hasty imitation of the MCU through and through.
But if there's even a 1% chance that this decision will solidify to our corporate overlords that listening to consumer demands is what grants them the chance to even blow their wad so bad in the first place. It's about giving DC and WB a fair fighting chance, I guess? It's just fascinating to see the reactions, as I'm not gonna see it either way😹
Think of it as what it represents, not what it is.
I wanted the Snyder cut but after Batman and Superman was rebooted so Snyder fans wouldn´t feel emopowered to demand something like Sndçyder and Cavill come back for Man Of Steel 2. I am done with their Superman. And Affleck is overrated as Batman. His fight scenes were good and sure he was the best thing about the movie, But that ain´t saying much.
Hell yeah. I’m not going to watch the Snyder cut, but I’m really loving all the chaos it’s creating at WB & DC.
Hated BvS & couldn’t watch JL to the end..... but im definitely in for watching this, simply out of curiosity. I hope its good and successful.
Exceptionally well stated! Bravo!
Oh Yeah! I forgot Warner pushed Snyder to implement Batman in MoS 2!!!
Its is clear how clueless dc are after they released birds of prey, still proves they don’t know shit difference about the fans and the general public that watch movies
TBH, ever since the end of Nolan's Batman movies, DC at WB has been a complete mess. For every one good step, they stumble and embarrass themselves. The execs have proven they have no idea what makes a good superhero movie and any success seems to be by accident. I friggen hate AT&T (because I used to work for that terrible company) but if they purge WB of the incompetents, I might forgive them a little.
While I doubt Affleck will be back as Batman, it might be a good idea to jettison Pattinson and Reeves. If AT&T wants to try to build a DC on film universe again, an older Batman is best suited for that.
I was always in favour of a middle-aged Batman because it allowed for Nightwing, Red Hood, Oracle, Tim Drake, Damien Wayne. IMO, the most interesting era of Batman storytelling shows him as a father and explores that family dynamic between he and his 'sons'
Why would it be a good idea to "jettison" Pattinson and Reeves? They just started shooting when the pandemic shut them down. This is a story about a younger Batman.
@@AmberBootheCat I wrote exactly why it would be a good idea to cancel the Pattinson movie and start over an older Batman.
Batman has so many allies, you can make a whole cinematic universe just based around him. However, you need him to be older for it to make sense.
@@fattiger6957 There is a 3 picture deal. The Pattinson Batman won't be canceled since it is a different film all together from an older Batman. You are welcome to not go see it.
Respect to the higher ups at AT&T for giving WarnerDC their marching orders.
I'd like to bury the entire DC Extended Movie Universe that Hack Snyder started.
Now THAT would be a "victory for the fans"! Same thing with decanonzing any "Star Trek" that Alex Kurtzman created.
I'm sharing this to all my social media.
For the record, I was a proud part of the FANT4STIC IMDb take-down :D
I don't like the idea of Affleck coming back, but I am all for the morons at WB having their incompetence put on display. As for whether or not the Snyder Cut poses a threat to the DC movie plans, well to that I say, what plans? Aside from WW84 and The Batman, do we even know what the Hell WB has in mind for the future?
No, Andre, the reason WB and DC don't want a Snyder Cut is because they would have to double down on their worst mistake: trusting Snyder to shape the DCEU. Wan and Phillips did with Aquaman and a Batman villain, what Snyder couldn't with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and the rest of the league (hit de billion mark). Yes, Warner and DC have made many mistakes, but for them the Snyder Cut is like giving visitation rights to a parent who molested their child... Think about it for your next editorial. Thanx!!!
I don't think releasing Snyders version would have caused more people to watch the movie his previous movies have already tainted the franchise by being horrible.
Which is your opinion. The Snyder Cut being released now wasn’t due to folks who could already care less - it was done by passionate fans who like said movies.
"Struck out with Shazam"
Cost 90M, Made 360M.
Not exactly a strike out.
From everything that's been leaked about Snyder's version of JL, it shouldn't contradict what's come out after. It's the same basic story, just what we got was the heavily truncated version.
Until WB decides canon matters to their movies again, it doesn't matter. They're the ones who decided to stop trying to make a cinematic universe.
@@fattiger6957 my guess is they'll wait and see how people respond to the new version. None of it matters till the next JL, however many years that's away.
Thanks for being a honest reporter.
Current plans for DCEU to me don't matter. They have ruined any love I had for the current iteration of DC movies. I'm hoping the Patterson led restart turns out well. But it will be hard pressed to get my theater dollars.
Let the DCEU come back in full force! fuck anything else outside of that. Ben Affleck’s Batman was everything! let that story continue. Let HIM direct his movie!
I think its insane how committed people are to their opinion of Robert Pattinson's Batman and Matt Reeve's vision when no one has seen the movie or even seen a trailer. I hated the idea of Ezra Miller being Barry Allen but I was at least open to the idea until I saw him in the role. He was awful like I expected but I didn't think I'd like Batfleck and ended up loving him the moment he actually showed up. Just like, reserve your judgements until you've seen the movie instead of trying to turn everything into a weapon to use in the culture war or else you end up becoming the very thing you hate the most.
People didn't need to see a single second of footage of Brie Larson as Captain Marvel, yet everybody rightly called that it would be a train wreck for the ages. They weren't wrong.
@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked They made a guess. There is nothing wrong with having a prediction but its another thing to proclaim a prophesy. I was right about Ezra and I was wrong about Batfleck but there was no way to know until I actually watched the movie for myself. Just because you happened to make a right guess once doesn't mean you should become a professional poker player.
Seems to me like a cash grab.
Minimal effort, to -produce- modify an existing product, in order to put out what people will likely watch just for meme value.
Whatever seeds chaos among these studios is entertainment enough for me, I don't think I'll be watching the Snyder cut.
What an absolute mess! Though I suppose Midnight edge aren't complaining DCEU fiasco is the gift that keeps on giving.
DC Films actually have nothing resembling "plans" going forward, still either playing safe or throwing darts at a board. Sequels that smell just as standalone as Aquaman and Shazam plus letting a few artsy directors do their shit outside of the movie universe.
Part 2 of this video: the looming shadow of Jar Jar Abrams, crossing the DCEU. Unlike Hollywood SJWs, AT&T is here to do business. Big business.
What if we don't want SJWs OR big business? Both interfere with artistic integrity.
@@crazydud3380 Stop watching movies and read indie comics. Only big business can support these big budget action spectacles.
Got cha. Ditch western garbage for anime and manga.
@@natehiggins2487 I did. Been watching anime since the 80s, and reading manga since the 90s.
All I can say is the box office could hurt if Robert Pattinson chooses not to work out. Batman was usually known for being muscular as he is well trained in martial arts and boxing.
Thank God they're going to release the Snyder cut because marvel on his way down now
Far as I'm concerned Synder is not only a better Director but also a better person. #ReleaseTheSynderCut
I hope its good. I didn't like JL, BvS, even Man of Steel wasn't my taste. Now I know why it didn't do good. Was anyone else thinking, "want to out do MCU, just take your time like they did?"
If you didn't like MoS and BvS, you will not like the snydercut any better. JL was not a true snyder film like the films prior. The snyder will be in the same vain as his last film.
I don’t think it’s about taking time. It’s about letting the directors direct and executives not making decisions based on toys and crap. Nolan seemed to go to bat for Snyder in MOS. Nolan wasn’t very involved in BvS and 30 minutes of the good movie got cut. Nolan’s Interstellar was 2:50 and I was disappointed that more wasn’t coming when I saw it the first time.
Ben Affleck was the best thing about Batman V Superman and Justice League.
second best, introduction of WW was best!
The movie will probably suck anyway, but if people want a Snyder cut than give it to them and let them be the judge.
Dude, this is better than an episode of Unsolved Mysteries. Subscribed.
Glad you enjoyed it. Welcome aboard.
Ironically had an ad with "Come Together" which was used in one of the trailers... For the Theatrical Cut... #SnyderCutIsReal
They made a redo of that song for the film. No joke.
@@ccateni28 that's why I wad like, "funnily enough"... lol
In March, 2021, the CEO of WB gave an interview to Variety, and she explained exactly how the film was greenlit, and it bears no resemblance to this totally made up bull sh!t. "Midnight Edge" has no idea what goes on at any film studio, and particularly not at WB. He has no sources and makes it all up. Zero credibility. ATT was not the savior you Snyder boys all wanted them to be, as you should understand by now.
The group that greenlit ZSJL was led by Ann Sarnoff, Toby Emmerich, Walter Hamada, Bob Greenblatt, Kevin Reilley, and Sarah Aubrey. Those are the people who are responsible for putting TSC on HBO Max. No one else, no matter what any anonymous blogger says.
Sarnoff gave a long, detailed interview to Variety and since she has to answer to stockholders, she can't make up a bunch of BS and try to pass it off for fact the way this joker does on his channel. Everything she says is subject to legal action, so you can be sure she gives a straight answer.
This clown can say whatever he wants with no evidence to back any of it up, and you bozos eat it up with a spoon. Wise up. There was never any conspiracy or plot against Snyder. His films didn't make enough at the box office so they cut him loose. End of story. It's business, it's not personal.
That's a fake story cooked up by Sndyer to cover up for the fact that he didn't deliver the box office. You notice it was years before any other studio was interested in working with him? And even then, not a traditional studio, but Netflix, who throw money at everything. Wise up.
My opinion hasn't changed. We were _never_ going to get a good Justice League film out of Snyder, because Snyder doesn't like these characters. At best, we'd get something like Josh Trank's original vision for Fant4stic, a decent-ish action film vaguely inspired by the Justice League. I've no doubt the Snyder Cut will be more coherent, but that doesn't mean it'll be any _good._ Fans have really shot ourselves in the foot on this one. There isn't really a good outcome here - if the Snyder Cut makes money, then we'll get more dark'n'gritty deconstructionist shit. If it doesn't, the DCEU takes another body blow, and we'll get fewer interesting films.
Damn, those last two sentences. I think those might be the most important factors people are taking for granted. I think there's room for every type, style and tone of film. But, there is such a thing as too much of the same thing for too long. That's what killed westerns and what hurt superhero/comic book films post-Batman 89 until the MCU/Nolan era. There were definitely some gems prior to this era, but arguably some of the best modern comic book films came out during and after this timeframe.
Most of the films that unnecessarily went hard on the dark, angsty, hyper-serious, grounded subject matter during this period have either under-performed or were critical train wrecks. It's not that the styles don't work. They were either used with characters not immediately conducive to that storytelling style or the styles were poorly implemented.
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Indeed, no matter what outcome fans of the new DCEU Joker and The Batman lose
but if Snyder fans win the whole shill media will burn.... so... I guess we can apply the enemy of my enemy is my friend rule here.
If it's bad by your boilerplate Marvel standards of "good", then I better consider my standards.
@@asch7906 Stop using that tired and empty excuse to attack us. I'd rather have a good if formulaic movie than a uniquely terrible one.
Fandom - 'We're sick of this shit.'
Gandalf - 'I come to you now at the turning of the tide.'
The SnyderCut is just a huge cashgrab and undermines the movie universe. I was never a friend of Zack Snyders movies. They are too hectic, they are to dark, they involve too many destruction and deaths and the sets are too complicated. Not to forget that every character is bad tempered, nasty, brutal. After any movie I saw from him I was left with the feeling of "finally over"! I can't believe that they decided to give the DC movieverse this dark tone without any light hearted characters I could relate too. I don't care for "heroes" who kill, brandmark or destroy things just to bring down another guy with the same attitude. I don't need a completely naive friendly Superman like in Christopher Reeve era but I need a Superman I can look up to with some funny lines and smiling about it.
And so I hated "Man of steel" and even more "Batman v Superman" where DCs most prominent heroes fight against each other.
And here comes Joss Whedon's version of Justice League with some nice oneliner gags. I wish they would have given him the job as director first place.
No, I don't have any interest of watching another darker version of the movie. I would rather see a version with all Zack Snyder scenes removed and reshot with Whedon's vision of it.
Maybe I am too old for such things but what is wrong with the film industry?
We are supposed to sympathise with bad guys in "Suicide Squad", "Joker", "Hayley Quinn", "Punisher" and now they even make "Justice League" a collection of baddies? I suppose they even wanted Aquaman, Cyborg, the Flash and WonderWoman to be dark.
Nothing I would pay for to watch.
Finaly someone said it exactly how it is. 👍
Thank you
lol.
I'm not the biggest fan of the plot details in Snyder's DCU, but I did absolutely love his take on the characters. Handling Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman as weighty, mythological figures channels their portrayals in Kingdom Come and Dark Knight Returns - which is some of the best they've ever been. Treating the DC roster as just strong people globetrotting to stop bad guys really robs them of their stature, and plays more heavily into the Marvel lineup's strengths.
*DC Fans:* "The Snyder-helmed movies are awful!"
*Also DC Fans:* "Yay! Snyder Cut!"
DC fans as a whole have a tendency to go for and cheer on specific writers and creators, to the point where determining fan consensus on things like weather Snyder is awful or not, much like how there are people who think Geoff Johns is the best writer DC currently has (like me) and people who think that Geoff Johns is one of the worst writers ever.
Theres different factions within a fanbase.
Synderites don't represent "DC Fans" in general anymore than Drekkies represent Star Trek fans in general.
AT T has made a very brave move, and deserve to be commented... ofc the Snakes and the Slimes will ofc try to say otherwise...
Lets show that AT&T was right to stand by the fans and to correct that injustice that was made to Snyder...
Too bad WB and DC don´t like it... AT&T is the owner... they can do what they want... they paid for all the companies... SO Such it up... Not happy Toby? The door is just ahead...
I think Affleck could made a great Batman, but Snyder was a huge mistake from the beginning, let's call that mistake Man of Steel.
Somebody needs to make a documentary of "How WB destroyed the DC cinematic universe"
It was Dead on Arrival every since Hobo of Steel Came out.