You do realize it’s just for post production the actors not coming back to shoot any new scenes. They letting Snyder finish up CG for scenes and they doing ADR for vocals to finish lines. So basically the 20 30 million WB gave Snyder they’ll make close to a billion for deleted scenes
@@travionjohnson3975 you don't know that for sure. Henry Cavill and Jason Momoa are really good friend with Zack Snyder and would probably come back to shoot a few scene's. The exact money hasn't been confirmed. Its rumored to be 20/30 million but it could be more. At this point we don't know any actual details.
The reveal for this movie was the most heart warming I've ever seen. I'm not a fan of the Snyderverse but I'm glad that Snyder and the fans get to see the trilogy reach its conclusion. Can't wait to see it👍
Thank you for being kind, many opposing fans are so toxic at least if you don't like it you are happy that those who want it get it. We need more people like you on the internet.
Now all they need to do is wash away all the crap in WB's upper management and actually put competent people in charge. Set an example for the rest of Hollywood (maybe Bob Iger will be inspired to grow a spine)
Well to be fair, its more like AT&T listened to fan feedback. Like Andre says in the video. They want hype for HBO Max. They see people are hyped about the Snyder cut and they see fans are willing to spend a whole lot of money (buying billboards that said #ReleaseTheSnyderCut, flying planes around the WarnerBros HQ, raising money for charity) So yeah, its true that this is a corporate interference, its more driven by fans. If fans didn't want to see this, they would have never interfered.
BvS director's cut was much better than the theatrical release, but no cut or recut can change the fact that Snyder's vision for DC just doesn't fit. This Flash isn't any comics Flash in terms of character, Superman was handled terribly, James Wan made Aquaman interesting not Snyder, Cyborg is a non-entity, etc.
I’m in the same boat; not necessarily excited, but interested to see it. I have been curious about the Snyder cut for a long time. I think this ordeal feels different because of the intensity social media can offer. I say that because of Superman 2, there’s the theatrical version and the Donner cut. If social media had been around back then, I think the Donner cut would have been released much sooner than it was.
I’m in the same boat but I guess you could say more intrigued than anything else but I think my main hope with this getting released is that it better Secures Cavill coming back in red and blue
Yea, i have seen or aware of media called directors cut and have snagged ones i really wanted to check out. but this kinda puts all those in back seat as to how much this has been like begged for or demanded over the past year or more really. it was like a protest or chant that was never gonna go away lol. time will tell to see how it goes later.
@@julianseguin2748 I don't think so. I think this decision came from much higher. Who knows, I'm sure he is feeling real salty about it behind the scenes. Nevertheless, he can't say or do anything publicly because it's not his call.
I saw the theatrical cut four times and loved it. But when I got the UE, it made it even better. I honestly don’t even remember the theatrical cut. Hell, I’ve watched two JL alternate cuts with available footage and alternate music that are superior to Josstice League.
I wonder if the internet had been around longer, would there have been a push to get the director's cuts of other movies that got screwed over by studios? We've gotten some of that like with this, the Donner cut of Superman 2, the assembly cut of Alien 3, but what about stuff like Superman 4, where that movie had like a third of it cut by the producers because they wanted it to be screened more times a day to get as much money as possible. How about Batman Forever, where the movie was much darker before Warner Bros. wanted to make it more family friendly after the backlash against Batman Returns being so dark. Hell Schumacher even asked if they could do a 10th anniversary director's cut for the DVD boxset and WB wasn't interested. And I highly doubt Disney would ever release the 'Abrams' Cut' of The Rise of Skywalker, because that story and the Sequel Trilogy as a whole is just so bad there's no saving it. What about The Crow: City of Angels, that movie was butchered so badly by Harvey Weinstein in editing that the writer disowned it while director couldn't bring himself to ever make a movie again because of the heartbreak. Hell, even the Thomas the Tank Engine Fandom (kind of like bronies, but they've been around even longer) have been pushing for a director's cut of Thomas and the Magic Railroad for over a decade, since it got screwed over by the studios, as the trains' voices were redubbed to sound less British, nearly half an hour was cut and an entire villain was removed because he terrified toddlers in the test screenings.
considering there's more of a superhero fandom with this generation things wouldn't have changed much since there would be far less emphasis to even consider making a director's cut for a small minority of fans.
I basically agree, though not every director‘s original vision is an improvement. I waited so long for the not color graded version of Dracula 79, to finally see that film in the version I saw it 40 years ago. We‘ll never get the theatrical versions os the Star Wars OT. I know very little background about Superman IV, but I doubt thereös anything to be salvaged there, it was such a dud; I saw it at the time, and never wanted to even think about it again. Also, think of what a small but very noisy group like the Reylos could do to movies. I shudder to think...
Re: Forever- That's what the fuck they should be doing. Fuck Snyder and his stans. Forever deserves a director's cut. I'd encourage fans to make like the Thief and the Cobbler and just do the cut themselves but apparently laziness and unwillingness is the name of the game
I honestly don’t see the problem with releasing different cuts of movies. I have three different cuts of Blade Runner, and I like them all. BvS should have proven the studio suits that they shouldn’t meddle too much when it comes to storytelling. I watched that movie in theaters and knew midway through that I wasted money because it was an incomplete story. While the ultimate cut isn’t special, I don’t consider it an awful movie. It just feels more complete, especially with Lois’ arc. Justice League needs a release like the Snyder cut. The tone of the theatrical cut reminds me of the Star Wars prequel trilogy, where it goes from dark to light tones too fast. Also, I’m glad you mentioned The Crow City of Angels. My gawd, when I heard about the meddling, I screamed internally. The director had a great vision for that movie and I want to see it. The same with Blair Witch 2; everything I hated about that movie were things the suits forced on the director.
THE AVENGERS (1998) starring Ralph Fiennes, Uma Thurman, and Sean Connery was cut to bits. For example, during the chess scene, the characters are dry, then soaked through, then dry again... with no explanation! I'd love to see that film restored. Steed & Peel! 😀 Regarding BATMAN FOREVER and Batman in general, anything that gives us more Dickie-Boy Grayson is alright in my book!
You got one thing wrong which everyone seems to get wrong, the original 2.5 hour Snydercut is not a work print. It was fully colour graded, ADR was done and most of the effects were done. I understand it was around 80-90% complete. Not done, but perfectly watchable and could have been dropped. Needless to say I'm happy we are getting something far better than we ever imagined... instead of that compromised vision we are getting the 4 hour version which is Zack's true vision for the film.
@@farhanrahman3609 The hate was that he killed. Ignoring that fan favorite Keaton had a much higher body count than Ben. Ben's Batman was an aging, broken veteran who lost the Wayne manor, Jason was killed, Barbara was crippled, and Richard left for probably the Titans. But the biggest problem was that we didn't have much backstory of Batfleck.
@@PrincessNine Yeah!!! thats why Flash travelled back in time to warn Bruce In Batman V Superman because Superman became a bad guy after he was revived using the boxes.
Let's face it, the Snyder Universe is really only good for Injustice, then DC can just reboot into a much lighter universe. They could even use some of the same actors, and claim some of their standalone movies to place in the new universe.
DiDio next brainfart was going to be 5G, another one of his attempts to 'modernize' the DC universe by screwing with established heroes. Remember, he did the same thing with the New52 reboot which turned out to be a massive flop that ruined many characters and basically needed to be retconned into something closer to pre-reboot days. If AT&T is the reason we finally are free of that hack, I'm all in support of them.
@@Rokiriko not as long as they continue to go the way of the woke. Their 4th phase is a fucking joke. Endgame was the MCUs final chapter. I no longer care.
Marvel is the best working machine right now. Kevin feige is much more than a corporate suit. He is the creative and visionary behind the mcu and he hires directors to execute his vision. He reports directly to alan horn and no one else gets in his way to make the mcu as he sees fit. It's why marvel is the powerhouse studio it is today.
@@metallicnole4514 Exactly and even though I like DC slightly more over Marvel. I'm enjoying everything Marvel is doing and really disappointed with what WB has done with DC.
To be honest, Batman vs Superman's script wasn't written by Snyder. And to direct that mess into something watchable, it shows Snyder's incredible talent clearly, which is hidden by the messed up movie BvS was. I still think a lot needs to be done to turn Justice League something watchable. I don't think it can be turned into something extraordinary. But I still think it will good. I am interested.
Yeah I happened to notice that Game of Thrones fans tend to blast the writers publicly. Whereas the superhero genre tends to blame everything on the directors
@@LandStrider23 D&D are to blame for ruining Game of Thrones and Snyder is to blame for messing up the "DCEU". Snyder is delusional and was making Warner lose money. Man of Steel was barely profitable, Batman v Superman couldn't even pay itself off... then he wanted Justice League parts 1 and 2 without even making a Batman solo movie. Batman's development only happens off-screen and I couldn't even buy Batman's reason to fight Superman because it's stupid. It's not like Batman's actions never backfired and had innocent people killed. Also, why the hell would Bruce Wayne would leave Gotham only to have a meeting? That makes no sense when he could just send someone else in his place since he hates the idea of leaving Gotham even if for a few hours or a day. And it's even worse that Snyder turned Batman in a random killing machine. Do you know why the whole "Martha" scene didn't work out the way Snyder wanted besides being anticlimatic? It's because Batman giving up on his idea of killing Superman was supposed to the moment he remembers why he became the fucking Batman. Bruce Wayne didn't become Gotham's vigillante to kill people but to save innocent lives, to never be the guy who would take away the lives of a child's parents. But then the fucking Batman is back killing people! That's so stupid it ruins his "redemption" moment.
@@drogadepc Everything you wrote is spot on. However, we mustn't forget that David "Martian Manhunter fans are basement dwelling virgins " Goyer also wrote BvS and MoS ,[which i liked but also had mixed reviews]. That dude is so pretentious, the Nolan brothers saved TDKT from his head being shoved up his own.. But yea Snyder should have done what he does best and stick to it. Adaptations that are ripped straight from the comic pages. He made a foolish decision taking liberties on the source material he pulled from. These are the world introduction to these heroes and WB botched it. At least Heinberg (an actual comic book writer)and Jenkins team saved them with WW. They should have had Scott Snyder write for Zack Snyder instead of Goyer and Terrio. Terrio would have probably blended with Scott's style
I liked the extended cut a lot more than the theatrical version. But then, I also understand where Zack was trying to go with Superman. I watched BvS, and Justice League with more normie friends, and found myself explaining deeper cannon points to help them understand the two movies. They liked both movies much more afterwards.
@@revben Depends on what you mean by hardcore fans. I love DC. I've been a fan of these characters for years. And yet I absolutely hated the movies like many, many other people I know that I would describe as hardcore DC fans.
Snyder was under close scrutiny and subjected to constant bs corporate meddling since MoS was released. I really don't know why WB kept him around when all they wanted to do was mess with him at every stage.
Fat Tiger It was all to fulfill the contract. He signed on for so many movies. They didn’t like the reaction to the first one so they figured they could tamper with the others instead of buying out the contract and hiring another director, which would cost an immense amount of money. They ended up losing money and fans because of their decisions, which long-run will hurt them far more. How many movies have they cancelled and delayed that should have released by now, grossing how many 100s of millions that they are now missing?
Peter D... just like Ridley Scott’s Prometheus. I believe they had at least 2-3 writers working on rewriting drafts of the script... and then Scott did also change things significantly, during shooting.
@@DarksaberForce They were also developing Nightwing and Batgirl movies when WB was planning on a proper MCU-style shared universe. Now that they're going back to 30-something Batman, I doubt we'll see any Batfamily characters.
@@finalcutgod how? It's a movie not a TV show. If they do that it'll be like watching a movie with several breaks and it'd ruin everyone's experience. Imagine people getting hyped for a scene and then it suddenly stops to continue in the next episode. TV shows episodes generally have a beginning, a mid point and an ending.
Let's not forget why the Snyders left Justice League: their daughter's suicide. Whether you praise him, hate his take on the DCEU or loathe the Snyder cut sycophants, they get to close a dark chapter in their lives. I hope it brings them catharsis.
@@MidnightsEdge I forgot about that, but what's done is done I suppose and at least they get to end it and move on. And that's saying a lot from me: a BvS hater.
@@MidnightsEdge Yeah, that is absolutely terrible behavior from the WB execs. This Snyder Cut thing won't do much for the trainwreck that is the DCEU but I'm at least happy that Zack is getting some justice.
There have been movies with many cooks in the kitchen that turned out great, and vice versa. Besides which, movies are a collaborative thing, you kinda need to have a large amount of cooks no matter what.
Every "cook" wants to "contribute" to the menu in order to validate their involvement. It looks especially good on their resume if the film becomes a success.
The David Ayer cut of Suicide Squad is also coming Midnight's Edge, cover that in a separate video as well. Double whammy win for all comic book fans i reckon!!!
Suicide Squad is another one of those movies that could have been good. maybe there's something in the director's cut...? then again, maybe i should just stick to the porn version.
Jose 84 you could not be farther from the truth. 90% of the joker scenes and plot was changed due to the reception of BvS. His original cut had joker as the main antagonist, focused the movie on him and Harley, and had steppenwolf pulling the strings on enchantress setting up JL.
Jose 84 yeah Ayer and Leto have both said (after the movie flopped) the version we saw was not what they originally planned. The studio tried to make it too much like Guardians of the Galaxy. And this is evident by the fact that they hired James Gunn for Suicide Squad 2
This is literally the coolest news I've gotten in weeks. I know I can tell the difference between directors in the scenes. The music doesn't match the movie. The tone that the characters have is completely different from the beginning to the end.
The Snyder Cut is the 214 min version that he had referred to for years. It's not an workprint or an assembly cut. That was 5 hours long. What we will be getting is the 214 min director's cut (which is lacking some post production work). Wether it will be split in 6 episodes for the initial HBO Max exclusivity deal or not is up to debate. But it's probably a compromise that Snyder had to accept in order to get his cut out there. I don't think the episodic version will exclude a proper film version later on.
Exactly, and Snyder even posted a photo of him doing colour-timing on the film before Whedon even got involved, so Midnight’s Edge need to do better research.
@@kavinpillai6515 If the episodic version goes forward, it will be the 214 min cut split into six 36 minutes-long episodes. There's no 4 hours cut. There's the 5 hours assembly cut and the 214 min director's cut.
@@lusotuber Snyder intends to shoot a couple more scenes that he didn’t get chance to originally due to his family tragedy, it’s been delayed by the pandemic.
I really feel bad for Zack. I cant imagine going through that family event and being the figure head of one of the biggest "pop culture sacred cows" in our lives. If he said time out I need to step down.< I don't think there would have been any fan even blink at that choice. But the way this happened I feel they pushed him out and shat on him. His "cut" would be = to a Mando lvl gotcha to get the streaming off to a galactic take off.
While I do feel sorry for his family tragedy, I _don't_ feel sorry for him being dropped off of the movies. If I had to sum up my reasoning why, it's because I feel he turned off a lot of people with his choices and I for one really found it annoying that he thought introducing and then killing off Jimmy Olsen was funny. I'm not a fan of Jimmy Olsen by any stretch of the imagination, but that's the kind of nonsense that tells me a director is more interested in tweaking the nose of fans of a series or a character than actually doing anything with them. I mean, imagine if, for a laugh, he'd had a newspaper article show up in BvS mentioning Commissoner Gordon's daughter was murdered. You've now pissed off the Batgirl and Oracle fans, and guaranteed there won't be a Barbara Gordon Batgirl in the DCEU.
@@muhaoai4693 u know whats even funnier? u thinking a CIA undercover agent would use his real name in a black op. it was a homage to superman red son. jimmy was a CIA agent in that story.
@@amazo88 I'll have to take your word for it, because I really don't remember Snyder mentioning that. Besides, it's not like any other Jimmy Olsen showed up. As far as the DCEU went _that_ was Olsen.
@@muhaoai4693 so what if the real jimmy olsen never showed up? as far as creative decisions go, snyder said jimmy didnt have any place/story in dceu. he was never a big shot character anyway. big fucking deal.
After the reception that Batman v Superman Got you can't really blame them, even though I still would have preferred his version over Whedons, which I'm in the minority of people that think it isn't that bad.
@@Dreaminggeekzone But Batman V Superman got trashed because WB sold their shares of Rotten Tomatoes one month before its release. RT trashed the movie before the regular viewers even got to see it so what makes you think they didn't have their opinions influenced?
@@Gandoan Not really. I mean the movie was pretty boring. I saw it in the cinema and I only enjoyed the fight scenes. And if you know a bit about comics it was clear the marketing spoiled too much. I mean they even showed doomsday. It might have been better received if they hold back more information.
@@johnwinchesterp2963 Oh I agree it was a marketing disaster. I probably loved it because I avoided all trailers and news articles about it. Heck, when I first saw it, I thought Wonder Woman was going to be Catwoman because the first thing she did was steal from him. It was so much more exciting for me to be revealed that it was Wonder Woman. And the Justice League reveal was also amazing. I feel bad for people who had this movie spoiled for them, it would have been such an amazing experience had they gone in blind.
Its weird that people said it wont be much different than the whedon cut. But may i remind them that the corny acting is obvious with whedon. I know they ment to be lighthearted. But, when they are as serious as they were in BvS, then suddenly became cartoon characters in JL, that alone is a huge change, and honestly and obviously, we needed that serious and dark tone from BvS to translate over to the JL PART 1-2. im one of the few that enjoyed BvS off the bat, despite its flaws. And i guess only those that did really wanted to see this a reality
Wb*cuts bvs, leading to its critical failure* Wb: we must change direction,more light-hearted *Reshoots suicide squad and justice League, making then flops* Wb: reee what did i do wrong.
I HATED mos and bvs but even then I wanted to see snyder's full vision. What warner did by straight up reshooting it with Whedon was messed up. Looking forward to this
It can only be better than the theatrical version. Yes the movie will still be bad and a mess, but at least it will be a tonally consistent mess. I just wish that Snyder actually understood the characters, he never did, amazing enthusiasm, he loves comics, but no basic understanding or proper director skills.
good take, i always found funny and interesting how the story around the creation of an audiovisual product is ofthen more interesting than the product itself, but that's one of the reasons we love them.
The train that was Justice League crashed because it tried going full speed ahead to MCU status, however, it ignored the parts of the track that need to be slowly crossed, thus it derailed into a bright orange train wreck
@@revben not exactly, from what I'm seeing, his cut of the movie will have the same problems as Rise of Skywalker--too many characters and not enough time or context to care about them, and I think Darkseid will get it the worst.
@@Halfort57 Thank you so so much. I dont think many fans realise this but it is a point to be raised. Synder cut or not, the movie has a large number of characters that are still to be established (especially for the general audience) which will be extremely difficult to do really well in a film like Justice League with an already convoluted plot. They should have ignored what the MCU was doing and did their own thing. That way 100% focus would be developing these beloved characters
This is a beautiful video which details the journey of the Snyder Cut right from the theatrical release of BVS. And it is exactly how it happened, as I was there. Let's hope DC takes a proper course correction this time. This is also a huge lesson for filmmakers never to stop fighting for their vision and for studios to back it up.
All these years later I'm still shocked how you can mess up a universe that has Superman and Batman this bad. MoS was 7 years ago and the DCEU has built nothing cohesive with no proper "phases" and no overarching larger plan. Compare where the MCU was after 7 years and where the DCEU is now... such a shame.
I disagree my friend. I actually liked most of the DCEU movies as well as Man of Steel. It was just the cool thing to do to hate on DCEU. Even if we got a better narrative on the films, critics would still find a way to hate on them because it isn't MCU
@@lancethefilmguy9392 Agree to disagree then. I've been reading comics for 34 years, Superman isn't a grimdark emo whiner and Barry Allen isn't a spastic autistic comic relief character. I enjoyed MoS as a popcorn entertaining flick but it's basically an alien invasion movie, it's not Superman.
Zack had a five part movie arc for Superman and the whole DC universe. It was WB who fucked it up. Whether you liked his ideas or not, Zack had and overarching story.
So, who do you talk to to get 'Swamp Thing' back? That, show exceeded my expectations on the portrayal of a comic book character and, it's canon in electronic media.
I loath art when the commissioner destroys a unified vision. For this in particular instance, I believe Warner made a serious blunder. Seeing the gritty injustice universe in contrast to the light hearted Marvel, means the DC universe would have carved out it's own niche audience. The leadership failed a basic marketing concept by abandoning this; carve out a hand hold, then expand from there.
to be fair to Warner, BVS underperformed and it triggered the JL movie we got. now we can see it was a mistake but they had to decide on the spot before filming. if you want the studio to respect your vision you have to consistenly perform Cris Nolan's style even on your art projects. they didnt wanted a niche dc universe JL, they want a 2+billion JL.
@@raul1231 There in lies the problem. They failed to taper their expectations to be in tune with reality. The marvel universe took about three films to become the juggernaut it was. Expecting to cover that ground in just two is silly, especially without the build up and time for fans to become attached.
@@youngthinker1 For me personally, Man Of Steel left such a bad taste in my mouth I wasn't really interested in seeing where the rest of the DC movies would go. I do think going the grim and gritty route with a character normally associated with hope and optimism like Superman was a mistake. I mean, I've seen people claim that the idea is that Superman from Man Of Steel would evolve into the more heroic and familiar version we know as a result of character development, but based on what I've seen of Superman in BvS I didn't see any of that myself.
Yeah, if the bvs they'd become more 'heroic' it could have been interesting. Heck, imagine if batman was borderline villain psycho vigilante until he got to meet superman, his hope and idealism (despite the world being imperfect) and the sincerity of that won him over and made him more like 'classic' batman by the end of the film?
@@JohnDoe-vm5rb Yes, it would've... except Superman in BvS isn't hope-inspiring or idealistic. I mean, in all those shots of him helping people he looks put upon or annoyed. Snyder's Superman would probably just grab the goth girl from that famous Superman comic and fly her down to the cops then leave without a word, instead of speaking to her, ressuring her and then giving her a hug like the comic Superman did.
What about the lost director's cut of Event Horizon? I feel like that holds more relevance to me than JL Snyder Cut, if we're talking about significant moive cuts or is it just me?
Loved Paul WS anderson's Event Horizon movie, but just because i'd want to also see its original director's cut doesn't mean it'll hold more importance over Justice League however. In 2012 somebody informed Paul Anderson they found the cut on VHS tape so it does technically exist. The film reels or negatives not so much though, no. its unlikely to ever be seen unless the film reels or negatives are found in a locked vault somewhere in a salt mine (to keep the negatives from decomposing etc's). Another lost cut of a movie i'd like to so badly see, is the original 3 or 4 hour cut of Stargate The Movie. Which was actually sold at comic conventions in the mid 90's or so i do recall. But again, unless the film cans of the original cut are stored somewhere's, unearthed and remastered? its unlikely you'll ever see them sadly.
@@skylergulley3949 apparently when the moive became a hit in the home movie release, the director wanted to release the director movie which was longer by 30 minutes or more. So the director went out to find the lost footage, why the footage was lost in the first place was because the movie didn't do so well in theaters so the director lost confidence for it hence the lost footage. So the director tracked it down to a, no joke, in a salt mine at Pennsylvania. Most of the footage had deteriorated due to the poor conditions it was in so they scavenge anything that was still good and added the footage as deleted scenes for the re release of the home video version. Also I just remember another movie director's cut I would love to see, which is the The Thing (2011) pilots edit.
Event Horizon is an actually good movie, so yes. I would much rather that than an alternative version of a movie that's going to be complete ass with or without corporate meddling.
Releasing the Snyder cut is an important acknowledgement that WB/DC needs to work on how they connect with their fanbases. I'm more excited about getting quality WB/DC content in the future than the actual Snyder cut itself.
Imagine a bad chef at a restaurant. The customers complain about his bad cooking so his manager, who is even worse at cooking than him, changes his recipe and tells him to change his methods. The next meal he makes is then even worse than the previous one.
The main issue was DC had no real plans till MCU started doing well, they then rush to make their own universe via Snyder, he did Watchmen so they thought it could happen. JL is uninspiring, badly designed( they use the same costume material) and poorly written...that's what you get from rushing in with no regard for the fandom imo.
a lot of folks praise Snyders casting - I don't like it though. yes Wan made Aquaman pretty great/fun and worked well with Momoa but Gal is a bit of a rake with C grade acting, Ben is a brilliant actor but looked muscle bound with a big head for a punching bag and could have been in his slimmer physique from the Town and actually have looked lithe and agile, Ezra is not great at all, Fisher is alright but not magnetic (no pun intended) and I find Cavill to be quite wooden whether its in Mission Impossible, Witcher (great show) or MoS. he has model type looks and british charm as a person outside the films but somehow his clark comes across more wooden than Routh's when Rouths was *tasked* to be Wooden loads of Snyders decisions showed contempt for fandom paired with poor understanding of the characters. his social media posts that got everyone excited were mostly name drops of characters but I don't have much confidence these characters will be proper versions of their original template Im still happy to see this is coming and really hope it somehow comes together very well.
It really needs to be remembered that there are some of us who loved the "unwatchable" BvS theatrical cut. I'm well aware that we're in the minority, and I'm genuinely fine with that. But it's an important point because, without this army of fans who believe in his vision, the Snyder Cut campaign would have never succeeded. It's heartwarming, though, that you t are happy for the fans of a series you're not crazy about to at least get what they want. There is no reason that modern high budget fiction need to all follow only one aesthetic. There is room for all of us, and it will be a good day for all of us if this release enforces this idea. Great video as always.
Even among Snyder fans that's the general consensus. I'm one of the rare ones who prefer the original, but you know what, if the extended version got more people into it, I call it a win. More evidence that there doesn't need to be one speed for everyone. I think the lesson we can all get from this is that artistic visionaries deserve to be supported. Even if they aren't our specific style, works from them tend to be way more important than art by corporate committee.
Interesting video and to hear the reasons why this is becoming a reality. It won’t magically fix everything but it’s a step in the right direction and it’s nice to hear some good news for a change.
This video nailed it - we now need a 3rd video talking about how the access media backlash is bullcrap- This isn't as much a win for fans as much as it is an opportunity for HBO MAX to get their kick off programming (Mandalorian)
I feel like the only reason Avengers "became the template" is because by then, after a dozen or so individual movies with intertwined storylines, people who had become invested in the franchise over the course of a decade-plus couldn't being themselves to let it go. I attribute the success of Endgame more to sunk-cost fallacy than anything: because at the end of the day it was just another glitzy billion-dollar set of keys being jangled in the faces of the movie-going mental toddlers.
@@chesterstevens8870 Your point isn't wrong to a degree... but how else, artistically, could an Avengers story like Endgame or Infinity War ever be told. Hell, the comic version of Infinity War itself, a much-beloved series, was essentially the same thing. Thanos facing off against Captain America. By itself, as a standalone, just ridiculous. As a million-dollar set of keys comic story, it was pure gold. I don't see how you do a large series with "every" character without defaulting to the route you just described. Is there some better way they could have pulled it off?
@@chesterstevens8870 To be fair, The Avengers (2012) was only 4 years after the first MCU movie which was Iron Man (2008). It wasn't a decade and a dozen movies. It was the sixth movie after a selection of solo movies about the main cast of the first team-up movie, something the people at WB don't seem to understand because they wanted to take the shortcut and basically released a semi-Civil War movie as the second in the franchise with characters whose DCEU iterations were mostly unknown to people - which in itself caused confusion how this Batman was a total psycho and lacked most of his ingenuity as the world's greatest detective. The reason The Avengers works is because the story is understandable and the stakes are clear, the visuals are top notch, the characters are likable and similar to their comic book counterparts and the banter between them is good (which is all Whedon). WB blew their load by introducing Doomsday in BvS and then having the third mainline movie revolve around "Mother Boxes" which in itself was a poor attempt at copying the Tesseract situation. And having a god-awful main villain. I wouldn't be surprised if the Snyder Cut is going to be a total shitshow. That man is 100% style over substance and has basically ruined almost all of the DC heroes, just because he wanted to do a different take from the bright, colorful Marvel movies.
@Kieron Campion I can't take you seriously. Your comments are like what I'd expect if someone invented a Snyder hating chatbot. It's exaggerated for maximal trolling to the point of anti-cranial absurdity.
I can't say I'm excited for this. If I check it out, it'll be out of curiosity. I was never enamored by Snyder vision, but I feel like what was done to him was a huge injustice.
Man of Steel, BVS,Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman. ZACKS Snyder's JL was gonna develop the others so it's really not Skipping. This is Studio interference at its finest. Josh took all of the Characters development out of the film. Cyborg,Flash and Aquaman. Then immediately after JL we were getting a Green Lantern , Flash,Batman,Cybrog,Shazam, WW2,New Gods . WB fucked this up. If they had not touched anything we would've had all of the films I've mentioned and waiting for new ones.
Zack fucking deserves this so I'm all in, can't wait to see what he wants to show us. They did him dirty in how they forced him out after losing his kid.
Unfortunately WB supposedly gave Abrams a massive paycheck to work on their DC movies. I shudder at the thought of him getting his talentless mitts on Superman.
I like Joss Weadon. His work Avengers was good, and I am a life long Browncoat, but even a good man can have a bad day. The theatrical release for Justice League was just awful.
@@gawainethefirst true people can have bad days, and maybe my comment is misleading since I'm not aware of if Weadon ever publicly complained like that.
Doesn't really matter since this won't have a follow up/sequel since DCEU canon is a mess. Plus, the BatTwilight movie already killed any chance of seeing Nightwing on screen. WB hasn't admitted it, but the Nightwing movie (directed by the Lego Batman guy) has been left to die in development hell.
That's exactly what I mean, EVERY fan of DC knows that JASON died... but that's fine because EVERY fan of Jason Todd knows that Jason eventually came back. Pointlessly killing Grayson off (as they did with Jimmy Olsen) is an abrupt left turn that makes NO sense, and the only purpose it serves is to p!$$ off all the NIGHTWING ROBIN / GRAYSON fans... and I, for one, would like it undone! At least Dickie-Boy is alive & well in the TITANS TV series....
@@peppermintspacecapsule9898 That wasn't going to stick (or not even happen) since WB was developing a Nightwing movie in the DCEU before JL flopped and screwed up everything. They even hired the director of Lego Batman to helm it.
Snyder's vision... More Grimdark? Because if Darkseid is coming, then I see what the plan was... But the only character Snyder seems to understand, is Batman. Whedon at least understands how to write a hero character and should have been given it from the start. Snyder though? More of a shoe in for a WH40K film.
@FyreMan Marvel after End Game? Well, I have hopes for Dr Strange, but after Marvel comics ANAD run to current day, I'd rather take a DC Rebirth 2. Marvel's got it's own special problems that broke them, and they won't allow their customers to fix them. As for Grimdark DC, it's been done. Snyder simply isn't the guy to bring the hope and Greek God mythos of DC into the cinematic experience. He may be getting 'justice' for how he was treated, and I'm glad that his efforts and recognition for his work will be rewarded... But I suspect we'll be seeing his interpretation of DC's heroes, not the character of the heroes themselves.
@@chrisscott3071 If you think so then thats fine, but Whedon brought Avenger's to the cinematic world, and made it a household name. Avenger's 1 he was finding his feet as a director. His camera work was the stuff used mainly in TV. But in Avenger's 2 you can see he's gone away and worked on his direction.
@@davfree9732 yeah but let's be honest, there is a reason joss whedon was swapped out for the Russo Brothers. And the mcu is better for it. Plus I hate the term grim dark. I mean is winter soldier, infinity war, civil war, considered grim dark? Food for thought.
@@chrisscott3071 No, the films you pointed out were not grim dark. Winter Soldier is a spy thriller where a potential grimdark situation is averted. Infinity War and End Game is a two part drama where we see the bad guys win round one, and the good guys win round two. Food for thought, SW-TESB is also not grimdark. It tells a story of struggle and revelation. BvS... is. Or at least takes a page out of the Hollywood corporate play book where the people giving out the money to make these films think things need to be gritty and realistic... And as a result, we don't get Superman, but Bat-Superman. More food for thought, Justice League showcases how Snyder's use of colour grading favours the darker palettes, as the released version's colour palette is off-putting. But when you put the footage into a video editor and change the palette back to dark, the image looks more co-ordinated as elements of the shot intended to be in shadow disappear, drawing the eye to where the director wants the eye drawn. The release the exec's proved the proverb, 'to many cooks', does not work, except where Whedon's re-shoots are dropped in. The film did need just one director, I'm not saying otherwise. But Whedon has the better grasp of what a Superhero is, and how to bring them to the big screen. He proved this in A1 and A2. But i agree, the Russo's did improve the MCU... But nly after Whedon's ground floor entry and introduction to these characters as a team was already released that made them popular. Though, learning that Snyder had plans for a two part film, I am prepared to say, that maybe... had he had more time to develop these characters his way, with the extra time, maybe he could have found the voice of these characters. But I am sceptical after seeing how Snyder got the character of Pa Kent so wrong, to the point that people cannot see where Superman got his warmth and humanity from, and in allowing his father to die so that the barrier Pa Kent was developed as in that movie could be removed so that Clark could then connect with the more heroic father figure of Jor-El. Again, I see where Snyder was coming from. I am merely saying Snyder missed the mark in faiing to understand the characters, and instead caved into Hollywood's desire for Dirty Harry style hero's, that many in the Justice League, simply aren't.
If it does become a 6 part series, I don’t mind, eventually it will be released on Blu-ray as a complete movie. I’m just happy we get to see Zack Snyder’s vision.
Since the dawn of the Silver Age, Marvel Comics would routinely have Team-ups and crossovers with an eye to in-universe continuity. By contrast, DC did largely stand alones with little regard for continuity. Those relative strengths and weaknesses carried over into their respective cinematic universes.
That's not accurate. Since Crisis in 86 DC established heavy continuity, so much so that it was by tinkering too much that they broke it. DC can work as a cohesive universe, however Snyder's vision is making the entire DCEU like Dark Knight Returns which befits Batman but doesn't work with basically anyone else. Superman was fine with leveling a city while fighting, Cyborg was a nothing burger, James Wan made Aquaman interesting not Snyder, Ezra Flash is no one from the comics I can recognize, he's like an entirely new character with the same name and powers only, etc.
Squidboy88 you’re right but that has nothing to do with my point, which is that Marvel excelled at “sticky” story lines (that compel the reader to read another comic for completeness) and this carried over into their execution of movies.
Ghost Knight yes, by the Modern Age everyone was doing it. Marvel did it first and better as an institutional norm. Stan Lee would even cross reference issues at the bottom of a panel.
Yes, yes, yes...after you mentioned The Mandalorian it makes perfect sense as to why they're doing this and also breaking it down into "chapters" of like 35 minutes. They will get a whole bunch of new people to sign up for HBO Max...great information. Don't know how you get your reporting but this makes perfect sense...
Andre, that was just a fantastic analysis. Keith and I had said, it would be insane to launch the "HBO Max" without it, because, as I said on the show, "They ain't got nothin'." I mean, even the name they picked, "HBO Max" is dumb and in no way describes that it is their Warner Bros catalog. But, with this new film, I see good things for the future. that and eventually firing Berlanti or tamping him down a bit. Because they could be getting killer ratings with someone in charge who loves comics and doesn't just say they love comics but then does everything in their shows to prove they are lying.
Someone took the clip of Cavill where his mustache was removed with CGI, and deepfaked Cavill's actual face onto it, which actually made it look a little better. I have a suspicion that if they deepfaked his face onto the actual mustache version, it would look near flawless.
I was always in the DCEU camp, seeing Midnight's Edge's videos now change over time covering stuff i told them would hopefully change for the better? pleases me to no end today! (evil grin)
AT&T pimp slapped wb executives and got us the cut to promote HBO max
God bless America amirite
You do realize it’s just for post production the actors not coming back to shoot any new scenes. They letting Snyder finish up CG for scenes and they doing ADR for vocals to finish lines. So basically the 20 30 million WB gave Snyder they’ll make close to a billion for deleted scenes
@@travionjohnson3975 you don't know that for sure. Henry Cavill and Jason Momoa are really good friend with Zack Snyder and would probably come back to shoot a few scene's. The exact money hasn't been confirmed. Its rumored to be 20/30 million but it could be more. At this point we don't know any actual details.
Vectorbass it was reported by a studio insider Snyder asked for reshoots WB said no
They not only slapped them but dick slapped them with baby powder
The Fans: How did you release the snyder cut?
AT&T: I bought the studio.
Cool reference
They didn't. They bought the content.
cmatin01 lmao they bought the entire parent company
The reveal for this movie was the most heart warming I've ever seen. I'm not a fan of the Snyderverse but I'm glad that Snyder and the fans get to see the trilogy reach its conclusion. Can't wait to see it👍
im one of the fans and thx friend! :D
@@Jeptheplay brother in arms, it was a good fight.
If it turns out good hopefully you'll enjoy it.
Thank you for being kind, many opposing fans are so toxic at least if you don't like it you are happy that those who want it get it. We need more people like you on the internet.
@@Jeptheplay Same here buddy , I honestly don't care what people think as long as we get to see Snyder's vision
If AT&T is behind this indeed... Then this is the ONE time when corporate interference was a good thing.
Now all they need to do is wash away all the crap in WB's upper management and actually put competent people in charge. Set an example for the rest of Hollywood (maybe Bob Iger will be inspired to grow a spine)
Well to be fair, its more like AT&T listened to fan feedback. Like Andre says in the video. They want hype for HBO Max. They see people are hyped about the Snyder cut and they see fans are willing to spend a whole lot of money (buying billboards that said #ReleaseTheSnyderCut, flying planes around the WarnerBros HQ, raising money for charity) So yeah, its true that this is a corporate interference, its more driven by fans. If fans didn't want to see this, they would have never interfered.
@@vectorbass9679 Seriously, this is like giving your kids all the sweets you have, even though they don't deserve them.
@@fattiger6957 WB replaced pretty much everybody that screwed over the DCEU. Bob Iger is fine. He's the reason why Disney is so successful
@@jcdx87 He's just as complicit in the dumpster fire that was Disney SW.
I won’t go as far as to say I’m excited, but I am interested. We’ve had director cuts before, but nothing to this extent.
BvS director's cut was much better than the theatrical release, but no cut or recut can change the fact that Snyder's vision for DC just doesn't fit. This Flash isn't any comics Flash in terms of character, Superman was handled terribly, James Wan made Aquaman interesting not Snyder, Cyborg is a non-entity, etc.
I’m in the same boat; not necessarily excited, but interested to see it. I have been curious about the Snyder cut for a long time.
I think this ordeal feels different because of the intensity social media can offer. I say that because of Superman 2, there’s the theatrical version and the Donner cut. If social media had been around back then, I think the Donner cut would have been released much sooner than it was.
I’m in the same boat but I guess you could say more intrigued than anything else but I think my main hope with this getting released is that it better Secures Cavill coming back in red and blue
Watchmen Ultimste Cut is pretty long
Yea, i have seen or aware of media called directors cut and have snagged ones i really wanted to check out. but this kinda puts all those in back seat as to how much this has been like begged for or demanded over the past year or more really. it was like a protest or chant that was never gonna go away lol. time will tell to see how it goes later.
I took a drink every time he said “Snyder cut” and now I’m blind
And I am dead!
Ha ha ha!
Surprisingly coherent and grammatical comment for someone who is drunk and blind
You may have a low tolerance for alcohol. 🤔
I bet Zack is giving Emmerich the finger with a huge grin on his face
Yup, i reckon he is!
MOS was actually pretty good movie BvS was mediocre but the ultimate cut was much better.
Doubtful, seeing as Emmerich is the one who made this happen.
Doesn't mean I like him, but still.
LMAO 😂
@@julianseguin2748 I don't think so. I think this decision came from much higher. Who knows, I'm sure he is feeling real salty about it behind the scenes. Nevertheless, he can't say or do anything publicly because it's not his call.
The Ultimate Edition of Dawn of Justice is the only version of that movie that should have existed.
even then its hard to know what people would think if it didnt have the other cut to favourably compare with
I saw the theatrical cut four times and loved it. But when I got the UE, it made it even better. I honestly don’t even remember the theatrical cut. Hell, I’ve watched two JL alternate cuts with available footage and alternate music that are superior to Josstice League.
It doesn't make it any better of a movie. Why?
Saw it today and can't agree move. Even the Martha scene makes sense!!
@@MattChew2 It still has it moments. The flaws become more apparent when you see the true version of that movie.
“Frankensteinian Abomination” This is just a small piece of why I keep coming back to this channel. So Good!
It’s accurate! You can see people haircuts and tattoos changing MID SCENE due to the Whedon reshoots.
He knows what the viewers like.
@@hothotheat3000 I respectfully disagree my friend. It wasn't that bad.
Bullshit. Yes it was. Aquamans tattoos change during the lasso scene
Lance The Film Guy yeah and one scene Batman is fit and the next he’s fat
I wonder if the internet had been around longer, would there have been a push to get the director's cuts of other movies that got screwed over by studios? We've gotten some of that like with this, the Donner cut of Superman 2, the assembly cut of Alien 3, but what about stuff like Superman 4, where that movie had like a third of it cut by the producers because they wanted it to be screened more times a day to get as much money as possible.
How about Batman Forever, where the movie was much darker before Warner Bros. wanted to make it more family friendly after the backlash against Batman Returns being so dark. Hell Schumacher even asked if they could do a 10th anniversary director's cut for the DVD boxset and WB wasn't interested.
And I highly doubt Disney would ever release the 'Abrams' Cut' of The Rise of Skywalker, because that story and the Sequel Trilogy as a whole is just so bad there's no saving it.
What about The Crow: City of Angels, that movie was butchered so badly by Harvey Weinstein in editing that the writer disowned it while director couldn't bring himself to ever make a movie again because of the heartbreak.
Hell, even the Thomas the Tank Engine Fandom (kind of like bronies, but they've been around even longer) have been pushing for a director's cut of Thomas and the Magic Railroad for over a decade, since it got screwed over by the studios, as the trains' voices were redubbed to sound less British, nearly half an hour was cut and an entire villain was removed because he terrified toddlers in the test screenings.
considering there's more of a superhero fandom with this generation things wouldn't have changed much since there would be far less emphasis to even consider making a director's cut for a small minority of fans.
I basically agree, though not every director‘s original vision is an improvement. I waited so long for the not color graded version of Dracula 79, to finally see that film in the version I saw it 40 years ago. We‘ll never get the theatrical versions os the Star Wars OT. I know very little background about Superman IV, but I doubt thereös anything to be salvaged there, it was such a dud; I saw it at the time, and never wanted to even think about it again.
Also, think of what a small but very noisy group like the Reylos could do to movies. I shudder to think...
Re: Forever- That's what the fuck they should be doing. Fuck Snyder and his stans. Forever deserves a director's cut. I'd encourage fans to make like the Thief and the Cobbler and just do the cut themselves but apparently laziness and unwillingness is the name of the game
I honestly don’t see the problem with releasing different cuts of movies. I have three different cuts of Blade Runner, and I like them all.
BvS should have proven the studio suits that they shouldn’t meddle too much when it comes to storytelling. I watched that movie in theaters and knew midway through that I wasted money because it was an incomplete story. While the ultimate cut isn’t special, I don’t consider it an awful movie. It just feels more complete, especially with Lois’ arc.
Justice League needs a release like the Snyder cut. The tone of the theatrical cut reminds me of the Star Wars prequel trilogy, where it goes from dark to light tones too fast.
Also, I’m glad you mentioned The Crow City of Angels. My gawd, when I heard about the meddling, I screamed internally. The director had a great vision for that movie and I want to see it. The same with Blair Witch 2; everything I hated about that movie were things the suits forced on the director.
THE AVENGERS (1998) starring Ralph Fiennes, Uma Thurman, and Sean Connery was cut to bits. For example, during the chess scene, the characters are dry, then soaked through, then dry again... with no explanation! I'd love to see that film restored. Steed & Peel! 😀
Regarding BATMAN FOREVER and Batman in general, anything that gives us more Dickie-Boy Grayson is alright in my book!
You got one thing wrong which everyone seems to get wrong, the original 2.5 hour Snydercut is not a work print. It was fully colour graded, ADR was done and most of the effects were done. I understand it was around 80-90% complete. Not done, but perfectly watchable and could have been dropped.
Needless to say I'm happy we are getting something far better than we ever imagined... instead of that compromised vision we are getting the 4 hour version which is Zack's true vision for the film.
I just wish Batfleck and Kal-Vil would still be in the franchise, though.
Batfleck actually was the best Batman so far.
@@trickledown808 yeah i dont understand the hate for batfleck
@@farhanrahman3609 The hate was that he killed. Ignoring that fan favorite Keaton had a much higher body count than Ben. Ben's Batman was an aging, broken veteran who lost the Wayne manor, Jason was killed, Barbara was crippled, and Richard left for probably the Titans. But the biggest problem was that we didn't have much backstory of Batfleck.
Henry Cavill is back as Superman, they'll replace Ben Affleck with sparkly Gay Vampire
Juan Manuel Cardona who refuses to work out for the role....because “it sets a bad precedent”
If you need Geoff Johns to make your project 'more fun and optimistic', you have a problem
Yes: Geoff Johns.
DC should make Injustice:Gods among us.Its a really good concept.
Hell yes!
Hell Yes!
That's clearly what Zack was aiming for
@@PrincessNine Yeah!!! thats why Flash travelled back in time to warn Bruce In Batman V Superman because Superman became a bad guy after he was revived using the boxes.
Let's face it, the Snyder Universe is really only good for Injustice, then DC can just reboot into a much lighter universe. They could even use some of the same actors, and claim some of their standalone movies to place in the new universe.
The person you're calling "Peter Berg" is actually "Jon Berg". Peter Berg is awesome. Jon Berg isn't.
Yeah, Peter Berg is an actor/director who I unfortunately remember as the director of Battleship.
@@fattiger6957 He also directed Hancock. I loved that movie.
Naythan Williams The first half of Hancock was the best superhero movie ever, the second half is the worst superhero movie ever.
@@fattiger6957 Lone Surivovr should clean the slate and demonstrate how competent he is as a director.
@@blank-vj1mc So true!
I have been waiting for this channel’s comments on this.
AT&T saw the Snyder Cut and decided to release it. AT&T made that decision just like when they removed Dan DiDio from DC Comics.
Snyder is the DiDio of the DC movie universe.
Even a stopped watch is right twice a day.
DiDio next brainfart was going to be 5G, another one of his attempts to 'modernize' the DC universe by screwing with established heroes. Remember, he did the same thing with the New52 reboot which turned out to be a massive flop that ruined many characters and basically needed to be retconned into something closer to pre-reboot days. If AT&T is the reason we finally are free of that hack, I'm all in support of them.
I'm glad Dan Didiot is gone
They need to fire all the high-ups at DC,Marvel, Star Wars, Star Trek and everyone at Disney
Why Marvel, they are making record numbers....
@@Rokiriko not as long as they continue to go the way of the woke. Their 4th phase is a fucking joke. Endgame was the MCUs final chapter. I no longer care.
Marvel is the best working machine right now. Kevin feige is much more than a corporate suit. He is the creative and visionary behind the mcu and he hires directors to execute his vision. He reports directly to alan horn and no one else gets in his way to make the mcu as he sees fit. It's why marvel is the powerhouse studio it is today.
@@metallicnole4514 Exactly and even though I like DC slightly more over Marvel. I'm enjoying everything Marvel is doing and really disappointed with what WB has done with DC.
Who is this "they"? Is it the "higher ups" that you... want fired?
To be honest, Batman vs Superman's script wasn't written by Snyder. And to direct that mess into something watchable, it shows Snyder's incredible talent clearly, which is hidden by the messed up movie BvS was. I still think a lot needs to be done to turn Justice League something watchable. I don't think it can be turned into something extraordinary. But I still think it will good. I am interested.
Yeah I happened to notice that Game of Thrones fans tend to blast the writers publicly. Whereas the superhero genre tends to blame everything on the directors
@@LandStrider23 D&D are to blame for ruining Game of Thrones and Snyder is to blame for messing up the "DCEU". Snyder is delusional and was making Warner lose money. Man of Steel was barely profitable, Batman v Superman couldn't even pay itself off... then he wanted Justice League parts 1 and 2 without even making a Batman solo movie. Batman's development only happens off-screen and I couldn't even buy Batman's reason to fight Superman because it's stupid. It's not like Batman's actions never backfired and had innocent people killed. Also, why the hell would Bruce Wayne would leave Gotham only to have a meeting? That makes no sense when he could just send someone else in his place since he hates the idea of leaving Gotham even if for a few hours or a day. And it's even worse that Snyder turned Batman in a random killing machine.
Do you know why the whole "Martha" scene didn't work out the way Snyder wanted besides being anticlimatic? It's because Batman giving up on his idea of killing Superman was supposed to the moment he remembers why he became the fucking Batman. Bruce Wayne didn't become Gotham's vigillante to kill people but to save innocent lives, to never be the guy who would take away the lives of a child's parents. But then the fucking Batman is back killing people! That's so stupid it ruins his "redemption" moment.
@@drogadepc Everything you wrote is spot on. However, we mustn't forget that David "Martian Manhunter fans are basement dwelling virgins " Goyer also wrote BvS and MoS ,[which i liked but also had mixed reviews]. That dude is so pretentious, the Nolan brothers saved TDKT from his head being shoved up his own..
But yea Snyder should have done what he does best and stick to it. Adaptations that are ripped straight from the comic pages. He made a foolish decision taking liberties on the source material he pulled from. These are the world introduction to these heroes and WB botched it. At least Heinberg (an actual comic book writer)and Jenkins team saved them with WW. They should have had Scott Snyder write for Zack Snyder instead of Goyer and Terrio. Terrio would have probably blended with Scott's style
I'm interested in this version of the film. I liked BVS, more so the extended cut, but I really enjoyed it, so I'm curious to see where it goes.
Stupid execs... Listened to the casuals... And not the hardcore fans. Have they seen the anininates universe? Very dark.
Is the extended cut really worth buying?
@@Dreaminggeekzone yeah
I liked the extended cut a lot more than the theatrical version. But then, I also understand where Zack was trying to go with Superman. I watched BvS, and Justice League with more normie friends, and found myself explaining deeper cannon points to help them understand the two movies. They liked both movies much more afterwards.
@@revben Depends on what you mean by hardcore fans. I love DC. I've been a fan of these characters for years. And yet I absolutely hated the movies like many, many other people I know that I would describe as hardcore DC fans.
This was a classic case of too many cooks.
Snyder was under close scrutiny and subjected to constant bs corporate meddling since MoS was released. I really don't know why WB kept him around when all they wanted to do was mess with him at every stage.
Fat Tiger
It was all to fulfill the contract. He signed on for so many movies. They didn’t like the reaction to the first one so they figured they could tamper with the others instead of buying out the contract and hiring another director, which would cost an immense amount of money. They ended up losing money and fans because of their decisions, which long-run will hurt them far more. How many movies have they cancelled and delayed that should have released by now, grossing how many 100s of millions that they are now missing?
@@MifflinMountainMusic I remember there was also suppose to be a Cyborg, Titans, and Green Lantern Corps movies.
Peter D... just like Ridley Scott’s Prometheus. I believe they had at least 2-3 writers working on rewriting drafts of the script... and then Scott did also change things significantly, during shooting.
@@DarksaberForce They were also developing Nightwing and Batgirl movies when WB was planning on a proper MCU-style shared universe. Now that they're going back to 30-something Batman, I doubt we'll see any Batfamily characters.
I definitely love this channel ❤️
boogiedown br'klyn me too!
So glad!
Same!
@@MidnightsEdge Is it okay for me to like the DCEU? I know it isn't great but I don't necessarily think it is terrible either.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 Of course it is! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You like it, and that is the only appraisal you need.
I can totally see HBO making this Snyder cut a 6 part mini series just to stretch this out was far was possible.
Maybe learn to put a sentence together correctly
According to insiders it’s possibly a 6 episode run at 35minutes each
@@finalcutgod stop talking shit. You know nothing
Phil Dawson neither do you?
@@finalcutgod how? It's a movie not a TV show. If they do that it'll be like watching a movie with several breaks and it'd ruin everyone's experience. Imagine people getting hyped for a scene and then it suddenly stops to continue in the next episode.
TV shows episodes generally have a beginning, a mid point and an ending.
I just realized Josh whedon looks like a soy based human version of thanos 😂😂😂😂🤣
A soy Boy banging Captain Karen AKA Brie Larson
@@JCardo2502 Captain Karen!
Lmao
Hilarious 🤣🤣
Let's not forget why the Snyders left Justice League: their daughter's suicide. Whether you praise him, hate his take on the DCEU or loathe the Snyder cut sycophants, they get to close a dark chapter in their lives. I hope it brings them catharsis.
He didn't leave. He wanted to finish it for her. Warner used that event as an excuse to force him out. We have covered it in earlier videos.
Most mature comment I've seen.
@@MidnightsEdge Damn that's crazy! At least they get to finish it like @shiningmyduggy said
@@MidnightsEdge I forgot about that, but what's done is done I suppose and at least they get to end it and move on.
And that's saying a lot from me: a BvS hater.
@@MidnightsEdge Yeah, that is absolutely terrible behavior from the WB execs. This Snyder Cut thing won't do much for the trainwreck that is the DCEU but I'm at least happy that Zack is getting some justice.
It is amazing to me how many times throughout film history that studio execs have forgotten the ancient adage, "To many cooks spoil the pot."
seems you've forgotten it partially
There have been movies with many cooks in the kitchen that turned out great, and vice versa. Besides which, movies are a collaborative thing, you kinda need to have a large amount of cooks no matter what.
Too many cooks spoil the broth!
handsomebrick But one has to be the head chef, or it’s mayhem. I work in a kitchen.
Every "cook" wants to "contribute" to the menu in order to validate their involvement. It looks especially good on their resume if the film becomes a success.
The David Ayer cut of Suicide Squad is also coming Midnight's Edge, cover that in a separate video as well. Double whammy win for all comic book fans i reckon!!!
It is!? Oh thank god it is. He deserves to have his cut released just like Zack.
Suicide Squad is another one of those movies that could have been good. maybe there's something in the director's cut...? then again, maybe i should just stick to the porn version.
Where did you hear that? I want the original vision so bad.
@@chicostephenson Shut up and don't waste my time with your verbal garbage. A director's cut is on the way, and your talking this crap? Piss off.
@@plumbussmith Go here; theculturednerd.org/2020/05/exclusive-zoic-studios-to-work-on-vfx-for-snyder-cut-and-ayer-cut/
Now that this is over let's focus on the Green cut of Freddy Got Fingered.
I get that reference.
I remember that movie!!
Seeing AT&T hinting at an Ayer cut of Suicide Squad is an awesome follow up as well... your thoughts...?
Sometimes there's a benefit to studios being owned by larger corporate entities with their own motivations and interests separate from studio heads.
The Ayer Cut was released on theathers in 2016.
Ayer himself said the movie released was the movie he intended.
AT&T owns HBO, so it makes sense. I’d like to see a James Gunn version of the original Suicide Squad.
Jose 84 you could not be farther from the truth. 90% of the joker scenes and plot was changed due to the reception of BvS. His original cut had joker as the main antagonist, focused the movie on him and Harley, and had steppenwolf pulling the strings on enchantress setting up JL.
Jose 84 yeah Ayer and Leto have both said (after the movie flopped) the version we saw was not what they originally planned. The studio tried to make it too much like Guardians of the Galaxy. And this is evident by the fact that they hired James Gunn for Suicide Squad 2
Does anyone remember the 'Donner Cut' for Superman II?
Yup, I've got a copy. Loved that they used test footage in it where Christopher Reeve was slimmer, before Vader himself (David Prowse) bulked him up.
Mark Lawrence That's so awesome that Superman and Vader trained together 😁
This is literally the coolest news I've gotten in weeks.
I know I can tell the difference between directors in the scenes. The music doesn't match the movie. The tone that the characters have is completely different from the beginning to the end.
I love the way this guy says “Frankensteinian”
The Snyder Cut is the 214 min version that he had referred to for years. It's not an workprint or an assembly cut. That was 5 hours long. What we will be getting is the 214 min director's cut (which is lacking some post production work). Wether it will be split in 6 episodes for the initial HBO Max exclusivity deal or not is up to debate. But it's probably a compromise that Snyder had to accept in order to get his cut out there. I don't think the episodic version will exclude a proper film version later on.
Exactly, and Snyder even posted a photo of him doing colour-timing on the film before Whedon even got involved, so Midnight’s Edge need to do better research.
Actually, it seems like we aint getting the 214 cut...
WE'LL BE GETTING A 4 HOUR CUT!!!
(that may or may not be cut into 6 episodes)
@@kavinpillai6515 If the episodic version goes forward, it will be the 214 min cut split into six 36 minutes-long episodes. There's no 4 hours cut. There's the 5 hours assembly cut and the 214 min director's cut.
@@lusotuber Snyder intends to shoot a couple more scenes that he didn’t get chance to originally due to his family tragedy, it’s been delayed by the pandemic.
@@simonjamesconstable I know, but it's minor stuff. Pick ups.
This whole thing is just coming off as an HBO Max advertisement
it is. at & t has impatient shareholders
Well , WB is smart .
Money.
@@BobMinelli it's an industry , that's the whole point making of these movies .
Great promo
I can always count on Midnight's Edge to get to the heart of the matter. Cheers Andre and the crew...👍
WB: *"I am in charge in here!"*
AT&T: *"Do you feel in charge?"*
I really feel bad for Zack. I cant imagine going through that family event and being the figure head of one of the biggest "pop culture sacred cows" in our lives. If he said time out I need to step down.< I don't think there would have been any fan even blink at that choice. But the way this happened I feel they pushed him out and shat on him. His "cut" would be = to a Mando lvl gotcha to get the streaming off to a galactic take off.
While I do feel sorry for his family tragedy, I _don't_ feel sorry for him being dropped off of the movies. If I had to sum up my reasoning why, it's because I feel he turned off a lot of people with his choices and I for one really found it annoying that he thought introducing and then killing off Jimmy Olsen was funny.
I'm not a fan of Jimmy Olsen by any stretch of the imagination, but that's the kind of nonsense that tells me a director is more interested in tweaking the nose of fans of a series or a character than actually doing anything with them. I mean, imagine if, for a laugh, he'd had a newspaper article show up in BvS mentioning Commissoner Gordon's daughter was murdered. You've now pissed off the Batgirl and Oracle fans, and guaranteed there won't be a Barbara Gordon Batgirl in the DCEU.
@@muhaoai4693 u know whats even funnier? u thinking a CIA undercover agent would use his real name in a black op. it was a homage to superman red son. jimmy was a CIA agent in that story.
@@amazo88 I'll have to take your word for it, because I really don't remember Snyder mentioning that. Besides, it's not like any other Jimmy Olsen showed up. As far as the DCEU went _that_ was Olsen.
@@muhaoai4693 so what if the real jimmy olsen never showed up? as far as creative decisions go, snyder said jimmy didnt have any place/story in dceu. he was never a big shot character anyway. big fucking deal.
The truth they should of never touched the movie.
After the reception that Batman v Superman Got you can't really blame them, even though I still would have preferred his version over Whedons, which I'm in the minority of people that think it isn't that bad.
@Himank Kumar 2 Supposed to be 'should have', I. E. never should have been done.
@@Dreaminggeekzone But Batman V Superman got trashed because WB sold their shares of Rotten Tomatoes one month before its release. RT trashed the movie before the regular viewers even got to see it so what makes you think they didn't have their opinions influenced?
@@Gandoan Not really. I mean the movie was pretty boring. I saw it in the cinema and I only enjoyed the fight scenes. And if you know a bit about comics it was clear the marketing spoiled too much. I mean they even showed doomsday. It might have been better received if they hold back more information.
@@johnwinchesterp2963 Oh I agree it was a marketing disaster. I probably loved it because I avoided all trailers and news articles about it. Heck, when I first saw it, I thought Wonder Woman was going to be Catwoman because the first thing she did was steal from him. It was so much more exciting for me to be revealed that it was Wonder Woman. And the Justice League reveal was also amazing.
I feel bad for people who had this movie spoiled for them, it would have been such an amazing experience had they gone in blind.
Its weird that people said it wont be much different than the whedon cut. But may i remind them that the corny acting is obvious with whedon. I know they ment to be lighthearted. But, when they are as serious as they were in BvS, then suddenly became cartoon characters in JL, that alone is a huge change, and honestly and obviously, we needed that serious and dark tone from BvS to translate over to the JL PART 1-2. im one of the few that enjoyed BvS off the bat, despite its flaws. And i guess only those that did really wanted to see this a reality
As always love ur videos and I could happily listen to Andre talk for hours, fantastic work guys.
He loves saying “Frankensteinian”. And it’s JON BERG not PETER BERG!
I love the way he says it too 😂 Actually, I need to work it into my vocabulary as well 🤔
Stop bitching!
Filosofen Väcker Who’s bitching, my friend? Just correcting.
Wb*cuts bvs, leading to its critical failure*
Wb: we must change direction,more light-hearted
*Reshoots suicide squad and justice League, making then flops*
Wb: reee what did i do wrong.
I HATED mos and bvs but even then I wanted to see snyder's full vision. What warner did by straight up reshooting it with Whedon was messed up. Looking forward to this
I agree 💯
BvS extended cut was actually pretty dope. Besides the cheesy Martha scene, I thought Snyder did a solid job, but that’s just my opinion
Gamerman360 I also didn't like mos and bvs but a part of me after finding his original version online kind of wanted to see it
It can only be better than the theatrical version. Yes the movie will still be bad and a mess, but at least it will be a tonally consistent mess. I just wish that Snyder actually understood the characters, he never did, amazing enthusiasm, he loves comics, but no basic understanding or proper director skills.
@@norricdaoc8746 👏👏👏
Your coverage is such a godsend for us plebs wondering what's actually going on in this miserable industry, Thank you!
Andre the GOAT
I Hate Andre Cedeno
good take, i always found funny and interesting how the story around the creation of an audiovisual product is ofthen more interesting than the product itself, but that's one of the reasons we love them.
The train that was Justice League crashed because it tried going full speed ahead to MCU status, however, it ignored the parts of the track that need to be slowly crossed, thus it derailed into a bright orange train wreck
Or they just used the formula DC always had. Synder was on the right track... DC films Execs were just blind to that.
@@revben not exactly, from what I'm seeing, his cut of the movie will have the same problems as Rise of Skywalker--too many characters and not enough time or context to care about them, and I think Darkseid will get it the worst.
@@Halfort57 Thank you so so much. I dont think many fans realise this but it is a point to be raised. Synder cut or not, the movie has a large number of characters that are still to be established (especially for the general audience) which will be extremely difficult to do really well in a film like Justice League with an already convoluted plot. They should have ignored what the MCU was doing and did their own thing. That way 100% focus would be developing these beloved characters
This is a beautiful video which details the journey of the Snyder Cut right from the theatrical release of BVS. And it is exactly how it happened, as I was there. Let's hope DC takes a proper course correction this time. This is also a huge lesson for filmmakers never to stop fighting for their vision and for studios to back it up.
I'm glad this is the direction they are moving too.
Thanks all y'all! Fascinating stuff
I really enjoy this channels approach to this topic.. when you exit UA-cam please leave bread crumbs to where you move to next.
Will do!
Cmon WB
#RestoreTheSnyderverse
#ReleaseTheAyerCut
All these years later I'm still shocked how you can mess up a universe that has Superman and Batman this bad. MoS was 7 years ago and the DCEU has built nothing cohesive with no proper "phases" and no overarching larger plan. Compare where the MCU was after 7 years and where the DCEU is now... such a shame.
I disagree my friend. I actually liked most of the DCEU movies as well as Man of Steel. It was just the cool thing to do to hate on DCEU. Even if we got a better narrative on the films, critics would still find a way to hate on them because it isn't MCU
Impatience. Greed. Interference. These are all the ingredients for a recipe of disaster.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 Agree to disagree then. I've been reading comics for 34 years, Superman isn't a grimdark emo whiner and Barry Allen isn't a spastic autistic comic relief character. I enjoyed MoS as a popcorn entertaining flick but it's basically an alien invasion movie, it's not Superman.
Zack had a five part movie arc for Superman and the whole DC universe. It was WB who fucked it up. Whether you liked his ideas or not, Zack had and overarching story.
@@masterpenguin8472 My point exactly
So, who do you talk to to get 'Swamp Thing' back? That, show exceeded my expectations on the portrayal of a comic book character and, it's canon in electronic media.
I loath art when the commissioner destroys a unified vision.
For this in particular instance, I believe Warner made a serious blunder. Seeing the gritty injustice universe in contrast to the light hearted Marvel, means the DC universe would have carved out it's own niche audience. The leadership failed a basic marketing concept by abandoning this; carve out a hand hold, then expand from there.
to be fair to Warner, BVS underperformed and it triggered the JL movie we got. now we can see it was a mistake but they had to decide on the spot before filming.
if you want the studio to respect your vision you have to consistenly perform Cris Nolan's style even on your art projects.
they didnt wanted a niche dc universe JL, they want a 2+billion JL.
@@raul1231 There in lies the problem. They failed to taper their expectations to be in tune with reality. The marvel universe took about three films to become the juggernaut it was. Expecting to cover that ground in just two is silly, especially without the build up and time for fans to become attached.
@@youngthinker1 For me personally, Man Of Steel left such a bad taste in my mouth I wasn't really interested in seeing where the rest of the DC movies would go. I do think going the grim and gritty route with a character normally associated with hope and optimism like Superman was a mistake.
I mean, I've seen people claim that the idea is that Superman from Man Of Steel would evolve into the more heroic and familiar version we know as a result of character development, but based on what I've seen of Superman in BvS I didn't see any of that myself.
Yeah, if the bvs they'd become more 'heroic' it could have been interesting. Heck, imagine if batman was borderline villain psycho vigilante until he got to meet superman, his hope and idealism (despite the world being imperfect) and the sincerity of that won him over and made him more like 'classic' batman by the end of the film?
@@JohnDoe-vm5rb Yes, it would've... except Superman in BvS isn't hope-inspiring or idealistic. I mean, in all those shots of him helping people he looks put upon or annoyed.
Snyder's Superman would probably just grab the goth girl from that famous Superman comic and fly her down to the cops then leave without a word, instead of speaking to her, ressuring her and then giving her a hug like the comic Superman did.
AT&T basically said “gimme this shit imma do it my damn self”
Warner has had some dumb people in charge.
Andre has one of the coolest voices I have ever heard. I've always loved this channel.
Wow, thank you!
What about the lost director's cut of Event Horizon?
I feel like that holds more relevance to me than JL Snyder Cut, if we're talking about significant moive cuts or is it just me?
I think I remembered them saying all the footage was destroyed some fire or flood. I might be wrong
Loved Paul WS anderson's Event Horizon movie, but just because i'd want to also see its original director's cut doesn't mean it'll hold more importance over Justice League however. In 2012 somebody informed Paul Anderson they found the cut on VHS tape so it does technically exist. The film reels or negatives not so much though, no. its unlikely to ever be seen unless the film reels or negatives are found in a locked vault somewhere in a salt mine (to keep the negatives from decomposing etc's). Another lost cut of a movie i'd like to so badly see, is the original 3 or 4 hour cut of Stargate The Movie. Which was actually sold at comic conventions in the mid 90's or so i do recall. But again, unless the film cans of the original cut are stored somewhere's, unearthed and remastered? its unlikely you'll ever see them sadly.
@@skylergulley3949 apparently when the moive became a hit in the home movie release, the director wanted to release the director movie which was longer by 30 minutes or more.
So the director went out to find the lost footage, why the footage was lost in the first place was because the movie didn't do so well in theaters so the director lost confidence for it hence the lost footage.
So the director tracked it down to a, no joke, in a salt mine at Pennsylvania. Most of the footage had deteriorated due to the poor conditions it was in so they scavenge anything that was still good and added the footage as deleted scenes for the re release of the home video version.
Also I just remember another movie director's cut I would love to see, which is the The Thing (2011) pilots edit.
@@rearwardchef5647 I know that but the extra footage that was cut out I'm is maybe destryed
Event Horizon is an actually good movie, so yes. I would much rather that than an alternative version of a movie that's going to be complete ass with or without corporate meddling.
@5:26 Thanks for uttering my favourite phrase on Midnight’s Edge All hail Frankensteinian Abomination
Good thing: they listened to the fans
Bad thing: Turn all the lights off and turn the brightness all the way up on your TV to see anything
Ha ha funny, vary clevar.
Too dark amirite my fellow nerds
Use a flash light also
Thanks bro. I salute your impartiality, even if you are not a fan. Great video.
I appreciate that
I’ll get it on disc. Done with streaming.
Releasing the Snyder cut is an important acknowledgement that WB/DC needs to work on how they connect with their fanbases. I'm more excited about getting quality WB/DC content in the future than the actual Snyder cut itself.
Can we get a version without Ezra Miller?
lmao, let's start the petition
Glad to hear a non-"toxic fandom" Snyder critical perspective
Imagine a bad chef at a restaurant. The customers complain about his bad cooking so his manager, who is even worse at cooking than him, changes his recipe and tells him to change his methods. The next meal he makes is then even worse than the previous one.
More like chef with exotic taste.
I lost it at the "2020 hindsight" rimshot. Excellent work!
The main issue was DC had no real plans till MCU started doing well, they then rush to make their own universe via Snyder, he did Watchmen so they thought it could happen.
JL is uninspiring, badly designed( they use the same costume material) and poorly written...that's what you get from rushing in with no regard for the fandom imo.
a lot of folks praise Snyders casting - I don't like it though.
yes Wan made Aquaman pretty great/fun and worked well with Momoa but Gal is a bit of a rake with C grade acting, Ben is a brilliant actor but looked muscle bound with a big head for a punching bag and could have been in his slimmer physique from the Town and actually have looked lithe and agile, Ezra is not great at all, Fisher is alright but not magnetic (no pun intended) and I find Cavill to be quite wooden whether its in Mission Impossible, Witcher (great show) or MoS. he has model type looks and british charm as a person outside the films but somehow his clark comes across more wooden than Routh's when Rouths was *tasked* to be Wooden
loads of Snyders decisions showed contempt for fandom paired with poor understanding of the characters. his social media posts that got everyone excited were mostly name drops of characters but I don't have much confidence these characters will be proper versions of their original template
Im still happy to see this is coming and really hope it somehow comes together very well.
Best corporate interference explanation ever.
It really needs to be remembered that there are some of us who loved the "unwatchable" BvS theatrical cut. I'm well aware that we're in the minority, and I'm genuinely fine with that. But it's an important point because, without this army of fans who believe in his vision, the Snyder Cut campaign would have never succeeded.
It's heartwarming, though, that you t are happy for the fans of a series you're not crazy about to at least get what they want. There is no reason that modern high budget fiction need to all follow only one aesthetic. There is room for all of us, and it will be a good day for all of us if this release enforces this idea. Great video as always.
Of course, but BvS Ultimate is a lot better, at least imo.
Even among Snyder fans that's the general consensus. I'm one of the rare ones who prefer the original, but you know what, if the extended version got more people into it, I call it a win. More evidence that there doesn't need to be one speed for everyone.
I think the lesson we can all get from this is that artistic visionaries deserve to be supported. Even if they aren't our specific style, works from them tend to be way more important than art by corporate committee.
Interesting video and to hear the reasons why this is becoming a reality. It won’t magically fix everything but it’s a step in the right direction and it’s nice to hear some good news for a change.
I never much cared for Zack Snyder or his vision for the DC characters, but great news for people that do.
You sound like you have an agenda.
@@stevenjenkins3882 Um, Ok.
This video nailed it - we now need a 3rd video talking about how the access media backlash is bullcrap- This isn't as much a win for fans as much as it is an opportunity for HBO MAX to get their kick off programming (Mandalorian)
BvS still sucks and Snyder fans are victimized wimps who feel persecuted by a review site.
The only good thing about the theatrical cut is that Joss Whedon’s superhero formula is a hack style.
By that point Whedon was long past his prime. Has he done anything since JL? I can't remember. It's probably best he's faded into obscurity.
I feel like the only reason Avengers "became the template" is because by then, after a dozen or so individual movies with intertwined storylines, people who had become invested in the franchise over the course of a decade-plus couldn't being themselves to let it go. I attribute the success of Endgame more to sunk-cost fallacy than anything: because at the end of the day it was just another glitzy billion-dollar set of keys being jangled in the faces of the movie-going mental toddlers.
@@chesterstevens8870 Your point isn't wrong to a degree... but how else, artistically, could an Avengers story like Endgame or Infinity War ever be told. Hell, the comic version of Infinity War itself, a much-beloved series, was essentially the same thing. Thanos facing off against Captain America. By itself, as a standalone, just ridiculous. As a million-dollar set of keys comic story, it was pure gold.
I don't see how you do a large series with "every" character without defaulting to the route you just described. Is there some better way they could have pulled it off?
@@chesterstevens8870 To be fair, The Avengers (2012) was only 4 years after the first MCU movie which was Iron Man (2008). It wasn't a decade and a dozen movies. It was the sixth movie after a selection of solo movies about the main cast of the first team-up movie, something the people at WB don't seem to understand because they wanted to take the shortcut and basically released a semi-Civil War movie as the second in the franchise with characters whose DCEU iterations were mostly unknown to people - which in itself caused confusion how this Batman was a total psycho and lacked most of his ingenuity as the world's greatest detective.
The reason The Avengers works is because the story is understandable and the stakes are clear, the visuals are top notch, the characters are likable and similar to their comic book counterparts and the banter between them is good (which is all Whedon). WB blew their load by introducing Doomsday in BvS and then having the third mainline movie revolve around "Mother Boxes" which in itself was a poor attempt at copying the Tesseract situation. And having a god-awful main villain.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Snyder Cut is going to be a total shitshow. That man is 100% style over substance and has basically ruined almost all of the DC heroes, just because he wanted to do a different take from the bright, colorful Marvel movies.
@Kieron Campion I can't take you seriously. Your comments are like what I'd expect if someone invented a Snyder hating chatbot. It's exaggerated for maximal trolling to the point of anti-cranial absurdity.
I can't say I'm excited for this. If I check it out, it'll be out of curiosity. I was never enamored by Snyder vision, but I feel like what was done to him was a huge injustice.
Mmm, I can't help but keep thinking of the phrase "quality over quantity"
Ty you sir, for the great investigation. Really great work by telling it to step by step.
their first mistake was skipping right to Justice League before setting up most of the cast in the first place
Man of Steel, BVS,Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman.
ZACKS Snyder's JL was gonna develop the others so it's really not Skipping.
This is Studio interference at its finest.
Josh took all of the Characters development out of the film.
Cyborg,Flash and Aquaman.
Then immediately after JL we were getting a Green Lantern , Flash,Batman,Cybrog,Shazam, WW2,New Gods .
WB fucked this up.
If they had not touched anything we would've had all of the films I've mentioned and waiting for new ones.
Zack fucking deserves this so I'm all in, can't wait to see what he wants to show us. They did him dirty in how they forced him out after losing his kid.
I would give it another watch to see the Snyder cut. Abrams effs everything he touches.
Unfortunately WB supposedly gave Abrams a massive paycheck to work on their DC movies. I shudder at the thought of him getting his talentless mitts on Superman.
great take on the matter, mister Midnight! I happy as well! xD
Weadon: "So u don't like my Gilmore Girls style dialog? GTH!"
Audience: "k"
I like Joss Weadon. His work Avengers was good, and I am a life long Browncoat, but even a good man can have a bad day. The theatrical release for Justice League was just awful.
@@gawainethefirst true people can have bad days, and maybe my comment is misleading since I'm not aware of if Weadon ever publicly complained like that.
Just want to say I really enjoy the channel. Youre putting out really good content Midnight Edge. Keep up the good work!
I’ve been hearing people saying the movies gonna suck I don’t care at least the director got to see his vision
Not really since the real vision was the jl movie to be divided in two parts
John Winchesterp29 yeah I know but least he’s some what getting his vision
@@Cybersnake-he4zr it is smt I suppose.
Jason Moore well that’s just your opinion man
Thank you Andre. 'With 2020 vision', and then a rim shot? Many points.
I enjoy your content.
I just hope Snyder *doesn't* kill-off Dick Grayson as he did Jimmy Olsen. It'd be too heartbreaking! 😭
He confirmed a long time ago that the who died was Dick Grayson not Jason Todd
Doesn't really matter since this won't have a follow up/sequel since DCEU canon is a mess. Plus, the BatTwilight movie already killed any chance of seeing Nightwing on screen. WB hasn't admitted it, but the Nightwing movie (directed by the Lego Batman guy) has been left to die in development hell.
Skyler Gulley Really? I was sure that was Jason Todd, why would they kill of nightwing?
That's exactly what I mean, EVERY fan of DC knows that JASON died... but that's fine because EVERY fan of Jason Todd knows that Jason eventually came back. Pointlessly killing Grayson off (as they did with Jimmy Olsen) is an abrupt left turn that makes NO sense, and the only purpose it serves is to p!$$ off all the NIGHTWING ROBIN / GRAYSON fans... and I, for one, would like it undone!
At least Dickie-Boy is alive & well in the TITANS TV series....
@@peppermintspacecapsule9898 That wasn't going to stick (or not even happen) since WB was developing a Nightwing movie in the DCEU before JL flopped and screwed up everything. They even hired the director of Lego Batman to helm it.
It's so funny, this is the first time I'm happy to hear the words, "Corporate interference".
Snyder's vision... More Grimdark? Because if Darkseid is coming, then I see what the plan was... But the only character Snyder seems to understand, is Batman. Whedon at least understands how to write a hero character and should have been given it from the start.
Snyder though? More of a shoe in for a WH40K film.
Whedons past his prime go rewatch avengers 2 and you will see it
@FyreMan Marvel after End Game? Well, I have hopes for Dr Strange, but after Marvel comics ANAD run to current day, I'd rather take a DC Rebirth 2. Marvel's got it's own special problems that broke them, and they won't allow their customers to fix them.
As for Grimdark DC, it's been done. Snyder simply isn't the guy to bring the hope and Greek God mythos of DC into the cinematic experience. He may be getting 'justice' for how he was treated, and I'm glad that his efforts and recognition for his work will be rewarded... But I suspect we'll be seeing his interpretation of DC's heroes, not the character of the heroes themselves.
@@chrisscott3071 If you think so then thats fine, but Whedon brought Avenger's to the cinematic world, and made it a household name. Avenger's 1 he was finding his feet as a director. His camera work was the stuff used mainly in TV. But in Avenger's 2 you can see he's gone away and worked on his direction.
@@davfree9732 yeah but let's be honest, there is a reason joss whedon was swapped out for the Russo Brothers. And the mcu is better for it. Plus I hate the term grim dark. I mean is winter soldier, infinity war, civil war, considered grim dark? Food for thought.
@@chrisscott3071 No, the films you pointed out were not grim dark. Winter Soldier is a spy thriller where a potential grimdark situation is averted. Infinity War and End Game is a two part drama where we see the bad guys win round one, and the good guys win round two.
Food for thought, SW-TESB is also not grimdark. It tells a story of struggle and revelation.
BvS... is. Or at least takes a page out of the Hollywood corporate play book where the people giving out the money to make these films think things need to be gritty and realistic... And as a result, we don't get Superman, but Bat-Superman.
More food for thought, Justice League showcases how Snyder's use of colour grading favours the darker palettes, as the released version's colour palette is off-putting. But when you put the footage into a video editor and change the palette back to dark, the image looks more co-ordinated as elements of the shot intended to be in shadow disappear, drawing the eye to where the director wants the eye drawn. The release the exec's proved the proverb, 'to many cooks', does not work, except where Whedon's re-shoots are dropped in.
The film did need just one director, I'm not saying otherwise. But Whedon has the better grasp of what a Superhero is, and how to bring them to the big screen. He proved this in A1 and A2. But i agree, the Russo's did improve the MCU... But nly after Whedon's ground floor entry and introduction to these characters as a team was already released that made them popular.
Though, learning that Snyder had plans for a two part film, I am prepared to say, that maybe... had he had more time to develop these characters his way, with the extra time, maybe he could have found the voice of these characters. But I am sceptical after seeing how Snyder got the character of Pa Kent so wrong, to the point that people cannot see where Superman got his warmth and humanity from, and in allowing his father to die so that the barrier Pa Kent was developed as in that movie could be removed so that Clark could then connect with the more heroic father figure of Jor-El. Again, I see where Snyder was coming from. I am merely saying Snyder missed the mark in faiing to understand the characters, and instead caved into Hollywood's desire for Dirty Harry style hero's, that many in the Justice League, simply aren't.
you nailed it. either way can't wait to see it~ and that's all that matters to me!
oh, good, now the movie will be just like Sadflect vs Hopeman: Did No Justice
If it does become a 6 part series, I don’t mind, eventually it will be released on Blu-ray as a complete movie. I’m just happy we get to see Zack Snyder’s vision.
Since the dawn of the Silver Age, Marvel Comics would routinely have Team-ups and crossovers with an eye to in-universe continuity. By contrast, DC did largely stand alones with little regard for continuity. Those relative strengths and weaknesses carried over into their respective cinematic universes.
That's not accurate. Since Crisis in 86 DC established heavy continuity, so much so that it was by tinkering too much that they broke it. DC can work as a cohesive universe, however Snyder's vision is making the entire DCEU like Dark Knight Returns which befits Batman but doesn't work with basically anyone else. Superman was fine with leveling a city while fighting, Cyborg was a nothing burger, James Wan made Aquaman interesting not Snyder, Ezra Flash is no one from the comics I can recognize, he's like an entirely new character with the same name and powers only, etc.
Squidboy88 you’re right but that has nothing to do with my point, which is that Marvel excelled at “sticky” story lines (that compel the reader to read another comic for completeness) and this carried over into their execution of movies.
Ghost Knight yes, by the Modern Age everyone was doing it. Marvel did it first and better as an institutional norm. Stan Lee would even cross reference issues at the bottom of a panel.
@@joemilton3273 Sure. I'm just saying DC can work, they just messed it up.
Yes, yes, yes...after you mentioned The Mandalorian it makes perfect sense as to why they're doing this and also breaking it down into "chapters" of like 35 minutes. They will get a whole bunch of new people to sign up for HBO Max...great information. Don't know how you get your reporting but this makes perfect sense...
I don’t expect the Znyder version to be blow the version we got our the water, but it should be an interesting watch nonetheless.
Andre, that was just a fantastic analysis. Keith and I had said, it would be insane to launch the "HBO Max" without it, because, as I said on the show, "They ain't got nothin'." I mean, even the name they picked, "HBO Max" is dumb and in no way describes that it is their Warner Bros catalog. But, with this new film, I see good things for the future. that and eventually firing Berlanti or tamping him down a bit. Because they could be getting killer ratings with someone in charge who loves comics and doesn't just say they love comics but then does everything in their shows to prove they are lying.
Who cares about the Snyder cut -release the mustache version.
Someone took the clip of Cavill where his mustache was removed with CGI, and deepfaked Cavill's actual face onto it, which actually made it look a little better. I have a suspicion that if they deepfaked his face onto the actual mustache version, it would look near flawless.
That thumbnail is quite literally what I want in Justice League
The “frankenstein” bit is played tf out boys. The bit is dead. Bury it if you have to. Consider this mercy.
I was always in the DCEU camp, seeing Midnight's Edge's videos now change over time covering stuff i told them would hopefully change for the better? pleases me to no end today! (evil grin)