I don't care if that doesn't even exist... Make it and put it on Disney+, and make it canon. Even if its bad, it can't be worse than the original. Only problem is Carrie is still dead... sigh
I also want to see the idiots who are ruining the big three sci-if series getting the cut, so KK is the most high prioty chop along with the rest of people who are incapable of producing anything good! I also want a HAIR cut but I can't due to C19 forcing Hair dressers to be closed in the UK
How about this take: AT&T have already seen the Ayer Cut and are considering releasing it once the Snyder Cut is out of the way, as long as they see enough demand for it, hence Ayer starting to Tweet about it regularly.
@Optimus Prime BvS a masterpiece? Eh, I'm glad you enjoy it that much. I wouldn't go nearly that far, but the UE was definitely the real version of that film.
Is the cut worth fighting for? For artistic integrity? Yes. Do I particularly want it? No. Do I want to see the DC WB heads eat crow by releasing this? Absolutely.
The original WB heads you mean like Kevin Tsujihara, Geoff Johns and Toby Emmerich you meant right? Cos the ones who are there now didn't do this to the DCEU films!
Thumbs up, at least you have one of the few constructive comments for this video. Mostly everybody else will swear off a director's cut of Suicide Squad until they actually see it for themselves! And see perhaps how truly great it is.
NO! What's next? Howard the Duck Director's Cut? Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Spielberg Cut? The Rise of Skywalker extended edition? Teraminator Dark Fate: Even more woke cut? How many versions of bad movies do people need?
@@emfer3010 Even when Spielberg was in his prime he has come out in interviews stating that he disliked cutting scenes from his movies because of test screenings and certain reactions to his work. Which looking back in hindsight, he perhaps shouldn't have removed from his films regardless of pace anyways! So no, in actual fact, not even Spielberg was safe from studio heads ordering certain cuts from his films. They might not have had the real power to tell him to reshoot scenes or re-film everything per se?, but overall even Spielberg wasn't immune to having been told to cut a few things out however. See; Jaws, the Indy trilogy and Close Encounters for those kind of interviews.
That would up the "ew" factor of Harley Quinn story by SOOO much. Just having a cameo or two of 'original Joker' would do better. (and be cheeper) Its cannon in the comic books that there were THREE "official" Jokers with very different MMO's each. One that fits "Dark Knight", one that fits "Joker" and one that fits "Suicide Squad". Of course - "DC comic book cannon" is very nearly an oxymoron. :P
I enjoyed all Mr. Ayer's movies, except Suicide Squad. That being said, the amount of hypocrisy that arises from Mr. Ayer's words is unnerving. We are talking about the same gentleman who, after the release of SDCC's Darker Trailer, told The Hollywood Reporter, and I quote: '"The real shock is how hilarious it's going to be.". The same gentleman who said: ''[...] there isn't a secret edit of the film with a bunch of Joker scenes hidden in a salt mine somewhere.''. Now you're telling me that, said gentleman is campaigning on social medias a Directo's Cut of his own, telling everyone such things as: - ''This trailer nailed the tone and intention of the film I made. Methodical. Layered. Complex, beautiful and sad. After the BVS reviews shell shocked the leadership at the time, and the success of Deadpool - My soulful drama was beaten into a 'comedy'.''; - ''I wrote a perfectly coherent script. And Joker was rich and dimensional. You have been lied to. It’s okay to be angry.''. Come on, that's just disingenuous sir. Look, I'll give the ''Ayer Cut'' a shot, just for the sake of artistic integrity. Even if I see no integrity whatsoever. It may give the overall storyline more context, but it ain't gonna change much. The idea to send battling Superman-like entities a bunch of ordinary morons has always been there. The cringey gangsta edgelord, nicknamed ''Joker'' in the movie, will always be there. And stop making the excuse ''He hadn't enough screentime to shine...'', come on, he had, more or less, the same amount of screentime of Anthony Hopkins' potrayal of Hannibal Lecter in ''The Silence of the Lambs''. 'Nuff said.
Thank you for providing extra info. He was probably playing it corporate during the release of the movie. Nevertheless when you lied once, you lost my trust and I don't give you the benefit of the doubt anymore. For this reason I don't care about Ayer's cut, he can keep it.
you know its only just now that I got what that joker was supposed to be, a hipster doofus jerk version of the one of the animated series, like someone took the animated series one and said how can we bring this into real life and make it believable, and their idea of believable was some smashmouth wannabe jerk off instead with an air head for an actor portraying him, instead of just doing a straight conversion with Raymond Burr Mark Hamil nowadays. like how good can this guys cut be if this is what he thought a more realistic version of the animated series joker SHOULD be?
Yeah, while I do want to see an Ayer cut which is finished if it leads into Justice League. I saw for myself on Twiter the day the Synder cut was announced when someone asked about an Ayer cut that he said he didn't know anything about it and not seeing it happening, then a day later he's all for the Ayer cut coming out like he didn't just dismiss it. He comes off as someone who will not just toe the line but do as he is told was fake glee even if it means lying on behalf of studio execs. If the Ayercut is moving forward (I think it would come out before Justice League), I really don't think he'll have the freedom or influence even close to Zack Synder due to how's he been in the past. This would be a one and done movie completion for HBO Max and no more in my opinion.
Ayer's cut of Suicide Squad is heavily connected to the Snyder cut however, alot of thing which happen in Justice League were originally setup in Ayer's Suicide Squad however like Steppenwolf and the Parademons. releasing David Ayer's version of the film makes far more sense than all the other 'bandwagon jumpers' wanting their cuts of films too, mind you.
@bigevilworldwide1 Shazam was based on Geoff Johns New52 reboot versions, i wished it had been influenced and inspired from Jerry Ordway's Shazam comic run of the 1990's instead. But thats just me, the final film wasn't too bad however. But like Aquaman and Birds of Prey? It proved that once they moved away from Zack Snyder's setups and made the films more standalone, the DCEU was somewhat directionless and is suffering sadly. Thats about to change thank god with the Snyder cut release!
@@MGSBigBoss77 The majority consensus on the post-Snyder films says otherwise. Aquaman and Joker were both billion dollar hits and Shazam and BoP were well received critically, though their box-office collections were sub-par. I do concede that there isn't a unified direction for the DCEU anymore, but I like the look of the current, loosely connected universe, with directors getting more creative freedom and leeway. Lets see how WW 1984, Black Adam and The Suicide Squad perform at the BO.
@@jonryldioteles9319 I can forgive Leto if his Joker turned out to be former Robin Jason Todd or Tim Drake especially. As much as I would love an Under the Redhood live action film, I know they wouldn't do it right now if it ever was in the works. Though they did can the bop sequel, which is both satisfying and sad to me.
Jared Leto being the butt of jokes for cutting out most of his Joker scenes and edited movie which messed up his performance is unacceptable they should release those Joker scenes.
I am an absolute fan of the Ultimate Version of BVS both tonally and in terms of story telling. And I did believe that SS would have been in the same vein. But now I think the focus should be on Snyder's JL. The Ayer cut can be put on the back burner for now and wait for the public's response to the JL release.
I liked the theatrical release of the film, even with a couple of hiccups along the way. I don't think more Joker would help the movie at all, and the miscast of Jared Leto as the titler character would be highlighted even more with the increased screentime. I would think more Harly Quin would be alright, but not with Mr J plucking her wings. The dark overtone of the Snyder universe was not working, which is something that should be highlighted in all this, and both these cuts are not going to improve the films. I am all for including some of the backdrop of The Justice League members that was cut for timing purposes, mostly to include new material, but the evil superman subplot and the depressing tone doesn't fit with the tone of the stories from the source material (the Comic Books) and goes further on a road that was (and will) lose money for DC and WB.
@@pca1987 I likely misspelled the word. I meant to say the iconic character, as the Joker is a premier character that historically is well regarded and liked, as a villain. Perhaps spelled Titular... not sure...
You pretty much nailed my thoughts on the films. I personally don't like the dark overtones Synder was going for in his films and the more lighter hearted tone of Wonder Woman and Some Dudes was perfectly fine with me. Yes I am not calling it JL as it's missing GL, because Synder has a hate on for poor Hal Jordan.
Exactly they’re appeasing a small number of vociferous fans who will continue to demand more of Snyder’s vision which was box office poison and taints the DCEU to this day. And the word is “titular”
I was a big supporter of the SnyderCut, I'm pretty happy AT&T are giving it to us, I'd prefer to get to the end of that before entering an Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad. Sure, I'd watch it.
Yes, I've always wanted to see his actual vision; especially after hearing how those differences would have played into the expanded DC Cinematic Universe. It might make an even better 3 or 4 part mini series just because we'll get more time with the individual characters in this ensemble cast. But he may have poisoned the well. Unfortunately, JJ is too much of an insider to ever raise a stink about the JJ cut of Rise of Skywalker.
I have no interest in either of these alternative cuts, but I've no objection to other people getting to enjoy them. Whether David Ayer is doing the right thing or not by trying to incite interest on social media is not for me to judge. In the end it probably won't amount to much, since Warner Brothers is currently making a rebooted Suicide Squad movie. Seems like the last thing they'd want right now is to confuse people by bringing attention back to the older one.
Id like it better if when a studio hires a named director, someone with some notoriety, they leave them alone. So that this dosnt become a thing. Id like to see Ayers cut, but only because SS did not feel like an Ayer movie at all. But i do see this slippery slope for what it is in todays social media.
Arbhall Yeah, the producers should just stay out of it. Unfortunately there's just too much money involved for them to keep their hands off Edit: for major films, at least
Unless you are a Spielberg or Cameron movies are now by committee and the Director's vision matters little anymore. For example Rogue One - Original director Gareth Edwards pushed aside and a good portion of the movie was reshot by Tony Gilroy, one of the writers. Solo - Lord and Miller fired near the end of shooting. Avengers 2 Age of Ultron: Disney interference led to the overrought sequel and Josh Whedon to quit directing Marvel movies
I'd see the Ayer cut. But I agree with your opinion piece. Now its more like AT&T caved in with fans demanding stuff like spoiled children, instead of AT&T surprising us all. If they do intent to release it, they should really wait for a long time before announcing it. Have the hype dial back a bit. They can release it like a month before ZSJL, as a nice tie-in and get people hyped for ZSJL.
I'd like to see the ayer cut as I think I might prefer it if the tone is more in keeping with bvs. However you are right the immediate switch to this seems greedy and ungrateful. I'd have liked snyder cut to be released then maybe push for it. But again as you say if ayer cut released late this year as a surprise it would give a nice year end bump in subs and then snyder cut next would maintain the subs for long enough to either convince people it's a good platform or lose them.
I agree that Ayer has been behaving quite unprofessionally by jumping on the Snydercut bandwagon. On the other hand, I also do believe that he honestly felt somewhat backstabbed by Warner back in the day when they forced him to change the overall tone of his movie when this was already a running project. I am not sure an Ayercut might make Suicide Squad any better - as I don't believe the Snydercut will turn out to be a superior version of Justice League - but I would be quite happy if both Snyder and Ayer got the chance to finally share their original visions of their films.
Wow -- Andre, that video was TERRIFIC! You nailed every single point right on the head. Ayer does come off like he's either riding Synder's coattails or stealing his thunder, which kind of pisses me off. Regardless of his "Ayer-Cut" or "Studio-Cut" the one thing I believe is that we'd be getting more of Leto's "THUG-Joker" - who I seriously disliked the most in that movie. I'm not excited about seeing him again. I hated his rendition of the character and if Ayer's cut comes out - and is liked better than the studio cut - would that mean Leto could come back as the Joker again? That's is not a relishing thought for me.
Bright wasn’t a good movie, but it wasn’t a bad movie either. Yours is the first and only voice I’ve ever heard speaking with such passion about it. I’d be curious to hear more about the why of that.
I have seen the theatrical cut. I have no interest in ever watching any other cut of this movie. To be clear: I'm a major DC fan, having grown up with Adam West, George Reeves and the Superfriends on TV as a child and reading DC comics during their peak in the 1980s and 1990s. John Ostrander's Suicide Squad was a particular favorite of mine during my High School years. Maybe if this movie were anything like those comics, I'd care more about the Ayers Cut. We all know it's not. It's just more of the worst Joker ever. Thanks. No.
Great take Andre. To be honest, I found the Suicide Squad to be very meh as a movie but I would be open to seeing David Ayer's original vision for the movie. As for how he went about it, I agree with you that it was bad. The unfortunate reality is that Hollywood and entertainment media is very like politics. And like politics, you need to learn when to time announcements and read the atmosphere. In this case, I can sympathize with Ayer wanting his movie to get the same treatment as Zack. But piggybacking off Zack I agree has lessened the impact. Also, as you said; had Ayer denied it initially and went to AT&T and did a business proposal behind the scenes, I argue the media and the naysayers against the DCEU and fans retaking this stuff would have less of a leg to stand on. They could not accuse fans of forcing Ayer's cut to be release/ demanding it. Rather, it would be seen as a smart business move to prop up HBO Max's content.
(haven't watched yet) But I only want to see the original version where Enchantress is under the control of a Motherbox due to Steppenwolf's presence, and the parademons being involved, whilst the Squad fight off Joker who wants to take Harley back. I have no interest in seeing a darker version of the film we actually got. It's like making Age Of Ultron darker, it could work but it's still a mess due to the studio interference and conflicting tones.
Funny you bring up Age of Ultron Josh Whedon actually intended it to be a more serious Take On The Avengers but Studio interference by Marvel botched it
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 That's what I was going for. Apparently he has a much darker 3hr directors cut, but in interviews he said he's to lazy to fully complete it (I think it's around 75%-80% complete). Would it be any better? Who knows, all I know is that Quicksilver would be more fleshed out than what we got.
@Optimus Prime It's good, but take a shot every time they crack a joke... You'll be dead within 10mins. That's my biggest issue with the film, too many quips, not enough serious moments for the story they tried to tell. Hawkeye's 'jokes' at the end are hard to watch.
I think an Ayer cut of the film would be a good idea, after watching suicide squad in the cinema, the editing was bad, I could tell with each scene there was a branching/additional story to be told but it just got cut. How Ayer went about it? he's an artist! tell me when an artist hasn't stomped their feet or made a show of things to get what they want.
Might be an angle HBO go or whatever tries by being an exclusive source for these "bonuses" of directors versions, extended cuts, deleted scenes then double down through physical sales if we'll received.
I, like with the Snyder cut, have had a morbid curiosity. Mainly because of everything pointing to a almost completely different story. As soon as I had heard that Ayer originally wanted to do Escape from New York riff, I got it. WB wanted Guardians of the Galaxy when it wasn't set up for that, and the film failed because of the changes.
I can't imagine it will fix anything. Last thing I want to pay for is more Leto Joker. Lets break down the movie. Opening Credits Lady forms a Squad to fix her problem Que Sound Track Squad formed and taken to city. Squad walks in a straight line Squad goes up a building Squad goes down a building Squad walks in a straight line Squad defeats boss, goes back to prison Joker attacks. Maybe the recut will add in a left turn?
I fully support any alternative cut(s) which have enough of an audience to be profitable. If there are enough people willing to spend money on this, then go for it. I won't be one of them (nor will I spend any money or time on the Snyder cut) but different strokes for different folks. Ego has been an acceptable reason for some studios to lose money on a film in the past but it's had consequences for the studios that did so.
The Ayer cut should have been the extended version in the first place if they had most of it completed. I feel like those extended versions really only include the bare minimum of new content to justify a new release. But if they wanted to do something as groundbreaking as the Snyder cut, they should just go back to square one and make a unique cut capturing all the missed opportunities and hindsight of the released version.
The first Comic Con trailer of Suicide Squad was tonally very different from the later funnier trailers and the theatrical release. Ayer didn't even edited his movie, WB gave the editing to a damn trailer company. Maybe the movie won't be improved much, but still I would like to see the original planned version Ayer intended to do.
Any cut of a movie that is the directors or writers true vision is worth fighting for. They are always better and more consistent than the theatrical cut. Even if the overall film might not be great it is more cohesive and makes thematic sense.
One thing you ignored is that AT&T themselves on twitter were responding to fans about Ayer cut... why ignore this if not just to shift a negative narrative on Ayer? AT&T being so receptive to both Ayer and the fans is what has helped caused this movement, so if it's unprofessional by Ayer, it's also unprofessional by AT&T. Another thing, by making this movement popular again it builds hype for the Ayer cut. When and if AT&T announces it there will be way more buzz than if they just announced it out of nowhere. As for it not being a "good look" to ask for more cuts, I think that's BS, it's a good look to support directors vision if you value artistic integrity. Also it's not "disrespectful" to ask so soon after Snyder, it's WB who kicked Snyder off the project and ruined it in the first place, so now we must give them a 6 month grace period as thanks? for caving 2.5 years later? why? the fans/consumer are showing the company what they want as judging by AT&Ts twitter they want the feedback. It's not a worse look to ruin someone's film, then not release it.
In 2016 David Ayer claimed the movie we got was his cut and that there was no other version of his film ''the released movie is my cut'' he said. And now he's asking for a new cut ? Shame on all of these directors riding on the wave of Snyder's victory for their own good. If your movie didn't gather as many people as the Snyder Cut did over 3 years, piss off
I do think it should be released, as I hate studio interference 90% of the time, and I agree he is also being an unpressional doucbebag. He is coming off as opportunistic, and as you said, as if he is trying to steal Zack's moment away from him. Snyder was VERY smart about it. Playing coy with audiences and gradually teasing more and more, while lobbying for it behind the scenes, and eventually saw the perfect business reason for it. This is why Snyder is as successful as he is, despite being so polarizing. He knows how to play the Hollywood game.
I don't especially want to see a longer SS, and I don't really think it's a good idea to make HBOMax "that service that keeps re-cutting box office failures to make them more in line with their directors' vision." Not only is it taking half a step *backward* from all the re-boots and re-imaginings currently infesting the creative space, it presents a pattern that both discourages blockbuster directors from getting it right the first time and is guaranteed to eventually produce a "big hype, big flop" situation of its own. From which it might well begin an unstoppable downward spiral.
I think it will depend on how the Snyder Cut does. Also if they won't release a "director's intended theatrical cut". They will like with Snyder release an assembly cut so they can make it a miniseries. The question of how much of the Suicide Squad assembly cut will cost to release is how finished is that cut.
I thought someone tweeted him and he said the cut release was his cut and only 10 minutes was left from editing, did he just change his mind after that
I no longer have the slightest interest in any DCEU film. The Star Wars franchise is dead. Doctor Who was murdered. I’m also very skeptical about the future of the MCU.
Im only interested in Loki and Falcon and winter soldier. All of the other stuff looks either meh or bad. Knowing marvel now, they'll probably screw up the first two too.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp who said he can't do no wrong. I'm saying that the MCU won't be going downhill as long as he still around. And Captain Marvel was more on directors fault.
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 He's the one who wanted to make a Captain marvel film in the first place and have more of her in Endgame. If they're going to be following All New All Different marvel, then more mistakes and sh*tty will come.
so i can understand any director wanting to get their version of a work put out, most directors want to make the best film that can they want to people to like there films (no one in their right mind would ever say they want their audience to dislike the film they made) so i can see why Ayer would want to put out the film as he saw it in his head, thats me been nice but on the flip side some people just want to make a quick buck any way they can. now im one of the few people that actually liked Leto's Joker, no it wasnt the best as thats Mark Hamill's job but it was ok not a single actor that played the Joker has done it the same way and this is the same in comics we even had a joker that cut off his own face discards it then decides he wants it back so he somehow finds it and straps it back on, in cartoons i remember seeing one joker i Hated the look of so much so it was distracting from the cartoon it had he had bright purple hair that was so big it was larger than his body, but back to my point im one of the few that liked Leto as joker it gave me a impression of a snake you are just waiting for it to strike you and if we are been fair to him he wasnt the worst thing in that film (though his style of method acting was too much) there was plenty of Bad to go all round, Will Smith was just playing himself and he was one of the better bits, so i would be intrested in hearing his pitch for the film as we know that SS was 80 maybe even 90% executive meddling.
I think there are reasons for Leto taking the brunt of people's dissatifaction with Suicide Squad that go way beyond Leto's responsibility: For one, expectations were high after Ledger's performance. Second, some people might have found it (subconsciously) disrespectful to give the role to someone else after Ledger's untimely death; especially with a version that differed so much from his "legacy". Third, comic book films over recent decades have become mass market rather than special interest media for comic book readers, and for that reason their mainly non-comics-reading fanbase isn't familiar with the richness of source material and it's habit of reinventing characters. Being confronted with that for the first time unexpectedly might understandably cause irritation. Fourth, several trailers to Suicide Squad suggested an entirely different movie than what we finally got. Fifth, it is usually the actors who are blamed for their performance, because that is the visible part of a movie, even when the disconnect between takes stems not from inconsistent acting but from behind-the-scenes audience manipulations such as confusing or even plot-changing editing (messing with choice of takes, event chronology, character motivation, gaping plot holes in character arcs that had been acted but aren't displayed, etc.), musical score (manipulating mood and tone), and not least of all (inconsistent, obscure, ridiculous) script; the general audience is not well versed in film language and its analysis let alone in the mechanics of a big production, but actors are the ones most out in the open for the public eye to see, and therefore they are the ones most likely associated with a character or even the movie at large. Sixth, even people within or close to the industry mistake that complex relationship between actors, writers, film crew, editors and producers, and the non-special-interest media is not countering but purporting said misconceptions; that's why Halle Berry got the Golden Raspberry by bringing a good physical performance (very catlike moves) to a shitty movie called Catwoman in a shitty role disconnected from the source material that as it ended up did demand exactly that and nothing more from her, an oddly scripted but demanding and precisely executed physical performance with a disconnect from the rest of the story: Thus, blaming the canvas for the frame is not only the generally accepted social script when it comes to film-making and actors. It is also the one encouraged by mass media. It's also quite convenient for a studio to have a fall guy being blamed for a botched team effort or to distract from responsibility at the top behind ultimately miscalculated acts of interference. And once public opinion is formed against a project and a scapegoat is established, the incentive to back that person up dwindles amongst those who might be next in line if the blame is being shifted. Seventh, in a movie that is all over the place, seemingly going nowhere, largely disconnected from active audience involvement and mostly bland to a degree of being unmemorable, the one thing you do remember because it triggers at least some sort of emotional response is bound to stick out like a sore thumb in your memory. And, unless it is being grounded in a story that actually makes at least some sense or gives you a cathartic moment to wash away the frustration of not being provided with such, you will not remember it as a redeeming factor but as a memorable stand-in for the frustrating experience as a whole. That's why I think the extent of disgust, glee and hatred that Leto's Joker performance got was largely exaggerated and undeserved.
Thanks Midnight Edge, my sentiments exactly. Ayers should have backed off for a while. I read somewhere that WB gave ZS extra money to shoot additional scenes that can lead to MOS II and/ or JL II. Are these fairytales or is there any truth in these rumors.
This shouldn't even be a thing. These studios put up a lot of money, and trust in a artist (the director) to tell a story in the style the director chooses. The studios did a great deal of thought, meetings, pitches, and brainstorming over time while they carefully weighed the decision. After much thought a deal is struck and the movie will be made. Making movies is a long time consuming process. After enough time passes, often those at the top loose the courage of their convictions. They get cold feet, and soon decide to meddle with a piece of art before its release. While they posses incredible knowledge about business side, they are NOT artists, but they are, alas humans. They begins to second guess themselves. They "freak out" They think they can take over and make it better. Unfortunately no amount of test groups can help you to change this vision for the better. Studio Execs... this message is for you... Keep your faith in yourself. Believe in the decision making process you yourself used when you decided to make the movie in the style and direction the director chooses. Don't listen to those naysayers whispering in your ear before release. You put much work and thought into your decision and went for it. Statistically speaking the original plan with so much forethought and planning is overwhelming more likely to be a success than anything you could possibly cook up at the last minute. Even with help in the world it is not a single cohesive vision. It has far less thought and planning. Meddling in art is a sure fire way to fail. You are good at choosing the artist, not making the art. Trust your decision. Fight to keep it true to the one you have chosen. If you were right and usually you are (at first). You will not only realize your true potential and receive great economic reward. You will get something else. You will become a legend in your business. Studios should start by releasing these directors cuts. With the battles ensuing in streaming. Now the time is right where it makes both dollars and "sense".
I have doubts that an Ayer cut would actually be an improvement over the released version. As fan of the comics all the way back from the beginning as a war comic up to the modern version depicted in the movie, I think both will miss the mark. Things the movie got (mostly) right: -Harley Quinns character -The amount of Jokers presence ( the Joker was never a central character in any way) Things the movie got wrong: -Casting Will Smith as Deadshot (Will Smith is good but never as an existing character, Will Smith doesn't play characters, he always plays Will Smith which doesn't work with established characters. -The music, while the studio likely wanted to copy GotG, in that film the music had a thematic purpose, in SS it simply ruined the tone. -Replacing King Shark with the non character Killer Kroc to save money on CG. -The character of Captain Boomerang, in almost every way. -And many more I'm sure I'll think of later. While an Ayer cut could possibly have a more consistent tone with the source material, it also would break with it by having The Joker as a more central character. All in all I'd expect it to be just as off the mark but in slightly different ways than the released version.
What worked for Synder won't necessarily work for Ayer... or Feig. Why not wait for things to settle down first, then ask the studios to release their respective cuts?
It’s worth fighting for, but ATT/WB really should ride out the Snyder Cut and wait till HBO MAX and it’s DC screen properties need a shot in the arm. Why blow the “re-do and revisit Studio meddled messes with Honest Director’s cuts” treasure chest in 2020-21. Save it for 2022 or when Leto’s Morbius hits and ride the marketing wave of Sony and Marvel
Ayer said at the time that there is no other version of the film, that means what they made and what we saw is all that their is. You know what "they" say , a good story is only as good as its villain, and adding more scenes to suicide Squad will not make it any better. I'd rather start all over again with what is to come with James Gunn .
I wouldn't mind seeing the Ayer cut of the film, out of pure curiosity's sake mainly. I hope he's correct in stating that there was a deeper more dramatic story he was telling than what we got. Honestly, Suicide Squad felt like a saturday morning cartoon show more than anything.
I'm with you on this- I want to see the Ayer cut, but he has been a complete dink about it. Personally, while they are doing this I truly hope they listen to fans- I did a long write up review about SS and little things bothered me: Like making Boomerang all about his Unicorn and Boomerangs and never actually showing him get pissed about someone ruining it and him going bonkers chucking them all over was a HUGE miss. And better yet- Diablo- he should've not lifted a finger until the very end. Show him getting beaten and bloody being a pacifist, then when the "god" hurts innocents and friends- then he blows up into the "devil"- a transformation devoid of meaning because he fought his way to that point.
2:34 "The surprise hit that took everyone by surprise". Lucky it took everyone by surprise, otherwise it'd be a pretty poor 'surprise hit', wouldn't it? ;)
The dude deserves to show us his movie, the cut we saw was made by a different studio ( the same that made the bohemian trailer) and on top of that the studio made reshoots without him knowing it
I am still surprised we'll get to see the Snyder cut. Not that I think it will be that great to be honest, but I'm curious to see it. And yes, it will probably be better than the version that got to the theaters.
I don't support the Suicide Squad movie. It was an awful movie and should be left for dead. Same goes for Justice League. If I had to choose though, I'd say Suicide Squad was closer to actually being something. And at least Harley and Deadshot were good characters in a terrible film. But my god, that nonsensical ending...
I'd much rather see the Hamill Cut of Last Jedi.
They already released it. It's called "Dark Force Rising".
I don't care if that doesn't even exist... Make it and put it on Disney+, and make it canon.
Even if its bad, it can't be worse than the original. Only problem is Carrie is still dead... sigh
I want my cut of the Last Jedi to be released. Burn it with fire.
The ivan re-edit of the Last Jedi is quite good. Its out there. Its so much better than that crap Disney put out.
The only cut I want to see is the Kathleen Kennedy cut...as in, “Kathleen Kennedy has been cut from Disney for ruining a cash cow franchise”.
Totally related to the topic at hand and definitely relevant.
I also want to see the idiots who are ruining the big three sci-if series getting the cut, so KK is the most high prioty chop along with the rest of people who are incapable of producing anything good!
I also want a HAIR cut but I can't due to C19 forcing Hair dressers to be closed in the UK
Here here
#ReleaseTheLordAndMillerCut.
YES!!!!
How about this take: AT&T have already seen the Ayer Cut and are considering releasing it once the Snyder Cut is out of the way, as long as they see enough demand for it, hence Ayer starting to Tweet about it regularly.
It will come out before the Snyder cut. They are just letting us marinate on the news of the Snyder cut.
@Optimus Prime BvS a masterpiece? Eh, I'm glad you enjoy it that much. I wouldn't go nearly that far, but the UE was definitely the real version of that film.
@Lassi Kinnunen Superman: The movie the t.v. cut!
Is the cut worth fighting for?
For artistic integrity? Yes.
Do I particularly want it? No.
Do I want to see the DC WB heads eat crow by releasing this? Absolutely.
The original WB heads you mean like Kevin Tsujihara, Geoff Johns and Toby Emmerich you meant right? Cos the ones who are there now didn't do this to the DCEU films!
didn't want to see it before, don't want to see it now.
All these 'cuts' should really make wb think twice about interfering in a director's vision
Thumbs up, at least you have one of the few constructive comments for this video. Mostly everybody else will swear off a director's cut of Suicide Squad until they actually see it for themselves! And see perhaps how truly great it is.
@@MGSBigBoss77 I'll admit I'm prefer Assault on Arkham and Hell to Pay of the live action Sucide Squad, mostly because I'm not a fan of Leto's Joker.
NO! What's next? Howard the Duck Director's Cut? Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Spielberg Cut? The Rise of Skywalker extended edition? Teraminator Dark Fate: Even more woke cut? How many versions of bad movies do people need?
Charlie’s Angels: The Radical Feminist Cut
All movies of the last 10 years starring johnny Depp without johnny Depp cut. That actually sounds good.
To be honest I don't think any film studio would dare to meddle with a
Steven Spielberg movie.
@@emfer3010 Even when Spielberg was in his prime he has come out in interviews stating that he disliked cutting scenes from his movies because of test screenings and certain reactions to his work. Which looking back in hindsight, he perhaps shouldn't have removed from his films regardless of pace anyways! So no, in actual fact, not even Spielberg was safe from studio heads ordering certain cuts from his films. They might not have had the real power to tell him to reshoot scenes or re-film everything per se?, but overall even Spielberg wasn't immune to having been told to cut a few things out however. See; Jaws, the Indy trilogy and Close Encounters for those kind of interviews.
if you dont wanna see it, dont. let the others campaign for what they want. you have nothing to lose.
"The Ayer Cut will cost a reported $50M because all of Jared Leto's scenes will have to be reshot with Joaquin Phoenix."
😂😂😂 if this happens really I am in
Lolz
Well done
That would make it soooo much better wouldnt it! Hed be a bit older though...
To quote John Hammond: "Spare no expense."
That would up the "ew" factor of Harley Quinn story by SOOO much. Just having a cameo or two of 'original Joker' would do better. (and be cheeper) Its cannon in the comic books that there were THREE "official" Jokers with very different MMO's each. One that fits "Dark Knight", one that fits "Joker" and one that fits "Suicide Squad".
Of course - "DC comic book cannon" is very nearly an oxymoron. :P
I enjoyed all Mr. Ayer's movies, except Suicide Squad. That being said, the amount of hypocrisy that arises from Mr. Ayer's words is unnerving.
We are talking about the same gentleman who, after the release of SDCC's Darker Trailer, told The Hollywood Reporter, and I quote: '"The real shock is how hilarious it's going to be.". The same gentleman who said: ''[...] there isn't a secret edit of the film with a bunch of Joker scenes hidden in a salt mine somewhere.''.
Now you're telling me that, said gentleman is campaigning on social medias a Directo's Cut of his own, telling everyone such things as:
- ''This trailer nailed the tone and intention of the film I made. Methodical. Layered. Complex, beautiful and sad. After the BVS reviews shell shocked the leadership at the time, and the success of Deadpool - My soulful drama was beaten into a 'comedy'.'';
- ''I wrote a perfectly coherent script. And Joker was rich and dimensional. You have been lied to. It’s okay to be angry.''.
Come on, that's just disingenuous sir. Look, I'll give the ''Ayer Cut'' a shot, just for the sake of artistic integrity. Even if I see no integrity whatsoever. It may give the overall storyline more context, but it ain't gonna change much. The idea to send battling Superman-like entities a bunch of ordinary morons has always been there. The cringey gangsta edgelord, nicknamed ''Joker'' in the movie, will always be there. And stop making the excuse ''He hadn't enough screentime to shine...'', come on, he had, more or less, the same amount of screentime of Anthony Hopkins' potrayal of Hannibal Lecter in ''The Silence of the Lambs''. 'Nuff said.
Thank you for providing extra info. He was probably playing it corporate during the release of the movie. Nevertheless when you lied once, you lost my trust and I don't give you the benefit of the doubt anymore. For this reason I don't care about Ayer's cut, he can keep it.
you know its only just now that I got what that joker was supposed to be, a hipster doofus jerk version of the one of the animated series, like someone took the animated series one and said how can we bring this into real life and make it believable, and their idea of believable was some smashmouth wannabe jerk off instead with an air head for an actor portraying him, instead of just doing a straight conversion with Raymond Burr Mark Hamil nowadays.
like how good can this guys cut be if this is what he thought a more realistic version of the animated series joker SHOULD be?
@manuelito you compare a man-eater to a man-baby that's too hash.
Yeah, while I do want to see an Ayer cut which is finished if it leads into Justice League. I saw for myself on Twiter the day the Synder cut was announced when someone asked about an Ayer cut that he said he didn't know anything about it and not seeing it happening, then a day later he's all for the Ayer cut coming out like he didn't just dismiss it.
He comes off as someone who will not just toe the line but do as he is told was fake glee even if it means lying on behalf of studio execs.
If the Ayercut is moving forward (I think it would come out before Justice League), I really don't think he'll have the freedom or influence even close to Zack Synder due to how's he been in the past. This would be a one and done movie completion for HBO Max and no more in my opinion.
The only organic cut people want is Snyder. All these other directors jumping on the bandwagon.
Ayer's cut of Suicide Squad is heavily connected to the Snyder cut however, alot of thing which happen in Justice League were originally setup in Ayer's Suicide Squad however like Steppenwolf and the Parademons. releasing David Ayer's version of the film makes far more sense than all the other 'bandwagon jumpers' wanting their cuts of films too, mind you.
@bigevilworldwide1 Shazam was based on Geoff Johns New52 reboot versions, i wished it had been influenced and inspired from Jerry Ordway's Shazam comic run of the 1990's instead. But thats just me, the final film wasn't too bad however. But like Aquaman and Birds of Prey? It proved that once they moved away from Zack Snyder's setups and made the films more standalone, the DCEU was somewhat directionless and is suffering sadly.
Thats about to change thank god with the Snyder cut release!
@@MGSBigBoss77 The majority consensus on the post-Snyder films says otherwise. Aquaman and Joker were both billion dollar hits and Shazam and BoP were well received critically, though their box-office collections were sub-par. I do concede that there isn't a unified direction for the DCEU anymore, but I like the look of the current, loosely connected universe, with directors getting more creative freedom and leeway. Lets see how WW 1984, Black Adam and The Suicide Squad perform at the BO.
I so wanna see what Leto's joker is fully capable, how he's Batman's too enemy.
I don't want any more "Jared Leto Playing Joker" but more power to those who want it.
Ultra Instinct Goku Black want
I think let's joker '' had'' potential
I'm actually OK with the pimp design
But I just don't like how he is written.
@@jonryldioteles9319 I can forgive Leto if his Joker turned out to be former Robin Jason Todd or Tim Drake especially. As much as I would love an Under the Redhood live action film, I know they wouldn't do it right now if it ever was in the works. Though they did can the bop sequel, which is both satisfying and sad to me.
@Shikhar Mainalee Only the Dick Greyson Robin. 😛 Besides, it's not like directors haven't lied before.
Remember when Director's Cuts were common as DVD special editions?
I personally think that all those Jared Leto Joker scenes should never see the light of day for all our sakes
Jared Leto being the butt of jokes for cutting out most of his Joker scenes and edited movie which messed up his performance is unacceptable they should release those Joker scenes.
Nah he needs the Ayer cut to clear his name
@@marcozolo3536 👍
The only precedent it sets, is giving the actual artists more power when it comes to bringing their vision to fruition.
In politics as well as in business, you need leverage to get what you want. In one fell Tweet Ayer's leverage went up in smoke.
I am an absolute fan of the Ultimate Version of BVS both tonally and in terms of story telling. And I did believe that SS would have been in the same vein. But now I think the focus should be on Snyder's JL. The Ayer cut can be put on the back burner for now and wait for the public's response to the JL release.
I 'ad an 'aircut this weekend. It was getting a bit long.
😂
I had one a fortnight ago. Bit too Shaggy and not in the good way.
I liked the theatrical release of the film, even with a couple of hiccups along the way. I don't think more Joker would help the movie at all, and the miscast of Jared Leto as the titler character would be highlighted even more with the increased screentime. I would think more Harly Quin would be alright, but not with Mr J plucking her wings.
The dark overtone of the Snyder universe was not working, which is something that should be highlighted in all this, and both these cuts are not going to improve the films. I am all for including some of the backdrop of The Justice League members that was cut for timing purposes, mostly to include new material, but the evil superman subplot and the depressing tone doesn't fit with the tone of the stories from the source material (the Comic Books) and goes further on a road that was (and will) lose money for DC and WB.
I agree. Except when you call the Joker the title character. Since the movie was called Suicide Squad and not Joker, that part made no sense.
@@pca1987 I likely misspelled the word. I meant to say the iconic character, as the Joker is a premier character that historically is well regarded and liked, as a villain. Perhaps spelled Titular... not sure...
You pretty much nailed my thoughts on the films. I personally don't like the dark overtones Synder was going for in his films and the more lighter hearted tone of Wonder Woman and Some Dudes was perfectly fine with me. Yes I am not calling it JL as it's missing GL, because Synder has a hate on for poor Hal Jordan.
Exactly they’re appeasing a small number of vociferous fans who will continue to demand more of Snyder’s vision which was box office poison and taints the DCEU to this day. And the word is “titular”
I was a big supporter of the SnyderCut, I'm pretty happy AT&T are giving it to us, I'd prefer to get to the end of that before entering an Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad. Sure, I'd watch it.
This is the same guy who opened the promotion of his movie onstage by shouting "F**k marvel!".
I never thought he had much of a brain.
Yeah, he seems a bit thick.
Yes, I've always wanted to see his actual vision; especially after hearing how those differences would have played into the expanded DC Cinematic Universe. It might make an even better 3 or 4 part mini series just because we'll get more time with the individual characters in this ensemble cast. But he may have poisoned the well. Unfortunately, JJ is too much of an insider to ever raise a stink about the JJ cut of Rise of Skywalker.
I have no interest in either of these alternative cuts, but I've no objection to other people getting to enjoy them. Whether David Ayer is doing the right thing or not by trying to incite interest on social media is not for me to judge. In the end it probably won't amount to much, since Warner Brothers is currently making a rebooted Suicide Squad movie. Seems like the last thing they'd want right now is to confuse people by bringing attention back to the older one.
Release it, why not? I'd watch that over a hyper extended version of female Ghostbusters
Id like it better if when a studio hires a named director, someone with some notoriety, they leave them alone. So that this dosnt become a thing. Id like to see Ayers cut, but only because SS did not feel like an Ayer movie at all. But i do see this slippery slope for what it is in todays social media.
Arbhall
Yeah, the producers should just stay out of it.
Unfortunately there's just too much money involved for them to keep their hands off
Edit: for major films, at least
Unless you are a Spielberg or Cameron movies are now by committee and the Director's vision matters little anymore. For example Rogue One - Original director Gareth Edwards pushed aside and a good portion of the movie was reshot by Tony Gilroy, one of the writers. Solo - Lord and Miller fired near the end of shooting. Avengers 2 Age of Ultron: Disney interference led to the overrought sequel and Josh Whedon to quit directing Marvel movies
of course i would love to see ayer cut, and more DCEU/SnyderVerse
I liked Letto's joker - I would watch a cut with more of him in it
I'd see the Ayer cut. But I agree with your opinion piece. Now its more like AT&T caved in with fans demanding stuff like spoiled children, instead of AT&T surprising us all. If they do intent to release it, they should really wait for a long time before announcing it. Have the hype dial back a bit. They can release it like a month before ZSJL, as a nice tie-in and get people hyped for ZSJL.
Thank you for defining editorial
I'd like to see the ayer cut as I think I might prefer it if the tone is more in keeping with bvs.
However you are right the immediate switch to this seems greedy and ungrateful.
I'd have liked snyder cut to be released then maybe push for it.
But again as you say if ayer cut released late this year as a surprise it would give a nice year end bump in subs and then snyder cut next would maintain the subs for long enough to either convince people it's a good platform or lose them.
You are so correct, Andre!
This is like a class in how to (or not to) get what you want in Hollywood.
I agree that Ayer has been behaving quite unprofessionally by jumping on the Snydercut bandwagon. On the other hand, I also do believe that he honestly felt somewhat backstabbed by Warner back in the day when they forced him to change the overall tone of his movie when this was already a running project. I am not sure an Ayercut might make Suicide Squad any better - as I don't believe the Snydercut will turn out to be a superior version of Justice League - but I would be quite happy if both Snyder and Ayer got the chance to finally share their original visions of their films.
I Really want the Ayer cut, maybe even more than the Snyder Cut . I want both anyway and The Last Jedi is not Cannon.
Wow -- Andre, that video was TERRIFIC! You nailed every single point right on the head. Ayer does come off like he's either riding Synder's coattails or stealing his thunder, which kind of pisses me off. Regardless of his "Ayer-Cut" or "Studio-Cut" the one thing I believe is that we'd be getting more of Leto's "THUG-Joker" - who I seriously disliked the most in that movie. I'm not excited about seeing him again. I hated his rendition of the character and if Ayer's cut comes out - and is liked better than the studio cut - would that mean Leto could come back as the Joker again? That's is not a relishing thought for me.
What movie did Ayer make again?
Actually never mind, I think that answers the main question.
Bright and Fury... do we need to know more?
Ber Nie oh god how does this guy still make movies? He is a nonstop trash machine
thebeatleswin1 that’s how I know you’ve never seen fury
Fury was awesome!
@@alexisogbemudia5458 Fury was retarded trash for smoothbrains
Bright wasn’t a good movie, but it wasn’t a bad movie either. Yours is the first and only voice I’ve ever heard speaking with such passion about it. I’d be curious to hear more about the why of that.
I'm glad you said that it should be released. I like making my own decisions.
It’d be nice to get if only to compare and contrast.
Long answer watch the vid short answer NO
No. He clearly said YES during the long answer. He just said Ayer didn't act correctly the way he did. But still, the answer was YES.
Yes release it on HBO Max
I have seen the theatrical cut. I have no interest in ever watching any other cut of this movie. To be clear: I'm a major DC fan, having grown up with Adam West, George Reeves and the Superfriends on TV as a child and reading DC comics during their peak in the 1980s and 1990s. John Ostrander's Suicide Squad was a particular favorite of mine during my High School years. Maybe if this movie were anything like those comics, I'd care more about the Ayers Cut. We all know it's not. It's just more of the worst Joker ever. Thanks. No.
If that first trailer we saw is more reflective of what the movie was supposed to be like, I say let us have it.
I absolutely want this, mocking Jaret's Joker is my idea of a good time.
I remember the trialier for SS In 2015 and it was dark and looked good. If kinda like to see that movie.
Great take Andre. To be honest, I found the Suicide Squad to be very meh as a movie but I would be open to seeing David Ayer's original vision for the movie. As for how he went about it, I agree with you that it was bad. The unfortunate reality is that Hollywood and entertainment media is very like politics. And like politics, you need to learn when to time announcements and read the atmosphere. In this case, I can sympathize with Ayer wanting his movie to get the same treatment as Zack. But piggybacking off Zack I agree has lessened the impact. Also, as you said; had Ayer denied it initially and went to AT&T and did a business proposal behind the scenes, I argue the media and the naysayers against the DCEU and fans retaking this stuff would have less of a leg to stand on. They could not accuse fans of forcing Ayer's cut to be release/ demanding it.
Rather, it would be seen as a smart business move to prop up HBO Max's content.
(haven't watched yet) But I only want to see the original version where Enchantress is under the control of a Motherbox due to Steppenwolf's presence, and the parademons being involved, whilst the Squad fight off Joker who wants to take Harley back. I have no interest in seeing a darker version of the film we actually got. It's like making Age Of Ultron darker, it could work but it's still a mess due to the studio interference and conflicting tones.
Funny you bring up Age of Ultron Josh Whedon actually intended it to be a more serious Take On The Avengers but Studio interference by Marvel botched it
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 That's what I was going for. Apparently he has a much darker 3hr directors cut, but in interviews he said he's to lazy to fully complete it (I think it's around 75%-80% complete). Would it be any better? Who knows, all I know is that Quicksilver would be more fleshed out than what we got.
@Optimus Prime It's good, but take a shot every time they crack a joke... You'll be dead within 10mins. That's my biggest issue with the film, too many quips, not enough serious moments for the story they tried to tell. Hawkeye's 'jokes' at the end are hard to watch.
@Optimus Prime please tell me you're joking
@Optimus Prime that statement is false. the Russo movies are better Age of Ultron is unwatchable because of so much stuff crammed into it.
Is HBO Max an international thing? I was curious given that Netflix UK currently has a number of the DC films on it.
I think an Ayer cut of the film would be a good idea, after watching suicide squad in the cinema, the editing was bad, I could tell with each scene there was a branching/additional story to be told but it just got cut. How Ayer went about it? he's an artist! tell me when an artist hasn't stomped their feet or made a show of things to get what they want.
Might be an angle HBO go or whatever tries by being an exclusive source for these "bonuses" of directors versions, extended cuts, deleted scenes then double down through physical sales if we'll received.
The reason it did well on opening weekend is because T-Mobile was giving away tickets, That's how I viewed it.
I, like with the Snyder cut, have had a morbid curiosity. Mainly because of everything pointing to a almost completely different story. As soon as I had heard that Ayer originally wanted to do Escape from New York riff, I got it. WB wanted Guardians of the Galaxy when it wasn't set up for that, and the film failed because of the changes.
I can't imagine it will fix anything. Last thing I want to pay for is more Leto Joker.
Lets break down the movie.
Opening Credits
Lady forms a Squad to fix her problem
Que Sound Track
Squad formed and taken to city.
Squad walks in a straight line
Squad goes up a building
Squad goes down a building
Squad walks in a straight line
Squad defeats boss, goes back to prison
Joker attacks.
Maybe the recut will add in a left turn?
You gotta keep up the pressure/attack to give to fans... even if you don't personally want to see the end result.
Ayer just showed himself as completely petty by demanding his cut be released.
Yes, filmmakers should have a right to make the film, good or bad.
I fully support any alternative cut(s) which have enough of an audience to be profitable. If there are enough people willing to spend money on this, then go for it. I won't be one of them (nor will I spend any money or time on the Snyder cut) but different strokes for different folks. Ego has been an acceptable reason for some studios to lose money on a film in the past but it's had consequences for the studios that did so.
Wait, Up to $80 Million for the Snyder Cut? Now I think it's risky.
The Ayer cut should have been the extended version in the first place if they had most of it completed. I feel like those extended versions really only include the bare minimum of new content to justify a new release. But if they wanted to do something as groundbreaking as the Snyder cut, they should just go back to square one and make a unique cut capturing all the missed opportunities and hindsight of the released version.
If they reshoot the Ayer cut to include Steppenwolf, more Leto and demons then yes. Suicide Squad was Meh, not DC enough.
I care a lot less about the hair cut than I do about the Snyder cut.
The first Comic Con trailer of Suicide Squad was tonally very different from the later funnier trailers and the theatrical release. Ayer didn't even edited his movie, WB gave the editing to a damn trailer company. Maybe the movie won't be improved much, but still I would like to see the original planned version Ayer intended to do.
Same
I must be one of the few people who actually enjoyed Bright
Loved bright. But I like almost anything with will Smith
Any cut of a movie that is the directors or writers true vision is worth fighting for. They are always better and more consistent than the theatrical cut. Even if the overall film might not be great it is more cohesive and makes thematic sense.
One thing you ignored is that AT&T themselves on twitter were responding to fans about Ayer cut... why ignore this if not just to shift a negative narrative on Ayer? AT&T being so receptive to both Ayer and the fans is what has helped caused this movement, so if it's unprofessional by Ayer, it's also unprofessional by AT&T.
Another thing, by making this movement popular again it builds hype for the Ayer cut. When and if AT&T announces it there will be way more buzz than if they just announced it out of nowhere.
As for it not being a "good look" to ask for more cuts, I think that's BS, it's a good look to support directors vision if you value artistic integrity.
Also it's not "disrespectful" to ask so soon after Snyder, it's WB who kicked Snyder off the project and ruined it in the first place, so now we must give them a 6 month grace period as thanks? for caving 2.5 years later? why? the fans/consumer are showing the company what they want as judging by AT&Ts twitter they want the feedback.
It's not a worse look to ruin someone's film, then not release it.
In 2016 David Ayer claimed the movie we got was his cut and that there was no other version of his film ''the released movie is my cut'' he said. And now he's asking for a new cut ? Shame on all of these directors riding on the wave of Snyder's victory for their own good. If your movie didn't gather as many people as the Snyder Cut did over 3 years, piss off
I do think it should be released, as I hate studio interference 90% of the time, and I agree he is also being an unpressional doucbebag. He is coming off as opportunistic, and as you said, as if he is trying to steal Zack's moment away from him. Snyder was VERY smart about it. Playing coy with audiences and gradually teasing more and more, while lobbying for it behind the scenes, and eventually saw the perfect business reason for it. This is why Snyder is as successful as he is, despite being so polarizing. He knows how to play the Hollywood game.
I don't especially want to see a longer SS, and I don't really think it's a good idea to make HBOMax "that service that keeps re-cutting box office failures to make them more in line with their directors' vision." Not only is it taking half a step *backward* from all the re-boots and re-imaginings currently infesting the creative space, it presents a pattern that both discourages blockbuster directors from getting it right the first time and is guaranteed to eventually produce a "big hype, big flop" situation of its own. From which it might well begin an unstoppable downward spiral.
YES, why no?
When media call the release of the director cut toxic... I always think about final cut of Blade Runner and others. Was it a bad precedent then ?
I think it will depend on how the Snyder Cut does. Also if they won't release a "director's intended theatrical cut". They will like with Snyder release an assembly cut so they can make it a miniseries.
The question of how much of the Suicide Squad assembly cut will cost to release is how finished is that cut.
Besides the tattoos, I actually like the joker in suicide squad, I guess I'm the only one
i wouldnt demand an Ayer cut but i would be interested in seeing it just out of curiosity.
Short answer no. But you never know it could be better
I thought someone tweeted him and he said the cut release was his cut and only 10 minutes was left from editing, did he just change his mind after that
Gimme that David Fincher cut of Alien3 please.
I'd love to see his cut.
I thought the movie had a lot of potential and maybe his vision had what I thought was missing.
I no longer have the slightest interest in any DCEU film. The Star Wars franchise is dead. Doctor Who was murdered. I’m also very skeptical about the future of the MCU.
As long as they keep Kevin feige the MCU will be fine
Im only interested in Loki and Falcon and winter soldier. All of the other stuff looks either meh or bad. Knowing marvel now, they'll probably screw up the first two too.
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 he's the one who pushed for Captain marvel. He can do wrong.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp who said he can't do no wrong. I'm saying that the MCU won't be going downhill as long as he still around. And Captain Marvel was more on directors fault.
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 He's the one who wanted to make a Captain marvel film in the first place and have more of her in Endgame. If they're going to be following All New All Different marvel, then more mistakes and sh*tty will come.
Agree Ayer went about it the wrong way. But yes I do want to see his version.
Well AT&T already caved in. You can't put pandora back in the box.
so i can understand any director wanting to get their version of a work put out, most directors want to make the best film that can they want to people to like there films (no one in their right mind would ever say they want their audience to dislike the film they made) so i can see why Ayer would want to put out the film as he saw it in his head, thats me been nice but on the flip side some people just want to make a quick buck any way they can.
now im one of the few people that actually liked Leto's Joker, no it wasnt the best as thats Mark Hamill's job but it was ok not a single actor that played the Joker has done it the same way and this is the same in comics we even had a joker that cut off his own face discards it then decides he wants it back so he somehow finds it and straps it back on, in cartoons i remember seeing one joker i Hated the look of so much so it was distracting from the cartoon it had he had bright purple hair that was so big it was larger than his body, but back to my point im one of the few that liked Leto as joker it gave me a impression of a snake you are just waiting for it to strike you and if we are been fair to him he wasnt the worst thing in that film (though his style of method acting was too much) there was plenty of Bad to go all round, Will Smith was just playing himself and he was one of the better bits, so i would be intrested in hearing his pitch for the film as we know that SS was 80 maybe even 90% executive meddling.
I think there are reasons for Leto taking the brunt of people's dissatifaction with Suicide Squad that go way beyond Leto's responsibility:
For one, expectations were high after Ledger's performance.
Second, some people might have found it (subconsciously) disrespectful to give the role to someone else after Ledger's untimely death; especially with a version that differed so much from his "legacy".
Third, comic book films over recent decades have become mass market rather than special interest media for comic book readers, and for that reason their mainly non-comics-reading fanbase isn't familiar with the richness of source material and it's habit of reinventing characters. Being confronted with that for the first time unexpectedly might understandably cause irritation.
Fourth, several trailers to Suicide Squad suggested an entirely different movie than what we finally got.
Fifth, it is usually the actors who are blamed for their performance, because that is the visible part of a movie, even when the disconnect between takes stems not from inconsistent acting but from behind-the-scenes audience manipulations such as confusing or even plot-changing editing (messing with choice of takes, event chronology, character motivation, gaping plot holes in character arcs that had been acted but aren't displayed, etc.), musical score (manipulating mood and tone), and not least of all (inconsistent, obscure, ridiculous) script; the general audience is not well versed in film language and its analysis let alone in the mechanics of a big production, but actors are the ones most out in the open for the public eye to see, and therefore they are the ones most likely associated with a character or even the movie at large.
Sixth, even people within or close to the industry mistake that complex relationship between actors, writers, film crew, editors and producers, and the non-special-interest media is not countering but purporting said misconceptions; that's why Halle Berry got the Golden Raspberry by bringing a good physical performance (very catlike moves) to a shitty movie called Catwoman in a shitty role disconnected from the source material that as it ended up did demand exactly that and nothing more from her, an oddly scripted but demanding and precisely executed physical performance with a disconnect from the rest of the story: Thus, blaming the canvas for the frame is not only the generally accepted social script when it comes to film-making and actors. It is also the one encouraged by mass media. It's also quite convenient for a studio to have a fall guy being blamed for a botched team effort or to distract from responsibility at the top behind ultimately miscalculated acts of interference. And once public opinion is formed against a project and a scapegoat is established, the incentive to back that person up dwindles amongst those who might be next in line if the blame is being shifted.
Seventh, in a movie that is all over the place, seemingly going nowhere, largely disconnected from active audience involvement and mostly bland to a degree of being unmemorable, the one thing you do remember because it triggers at least some sort of emotional response is bound to stick out like a sore thumb in your memory. And, unless it is being grounded in a story that actually makes at least some sense or gives you a cathartic moment to wash away the frustration of not being provided with such, you will not remember it as a redeeming factor but as a memorable stand-in for the frustrating experience as a whole.
That's why I think the extent of disgust, glee and hatred that Leto's Joker performance got was largely exaggerated and undeserved.
The Ayer Cut is probably going to come out given what we've seen and hopefully it's better than the theatrical version or "The Extended Cut".
Thanks Midnight Edge, my sentiments exactly. Ayers should have backed off for a while.
I read somewhere that WB gave ZS extra money to shoot additional scenes that can lead
to MOS II and/ or JL II. Are these fairytales or is there any truth in these rumors.
Want to see Letos full performance. Why not, will not cost even be close to what the snyder cut will cost wb. Would be good material for hbo max
This shouldn't even be a thing. These studios put up a lot of money, and trust in a artist (the director) to tell a story in the style the director chooses. The studios did a great deal of thought, meetings, pitches, and brainstorming over time while they carefully weighed the decision. After much thought a deal is struck and the movie will be made. Making movies is a long time consuming process. After enough time passes, often those at the top loose the courage of their convictions. They get cold feet, and soon decide to meddle with a piece of art before its release. While they posses incredible knowledge about business side, they are NOT artists, but they are, alas humans. They begins to second guess themselves. They "freak out" They think they can take over and make it better. Unfortunately no amount of test groups can help you to change this vision for the better. Studio Execs... this message is for you... Keep your faith in yourself. Believe in the decision making process you yourself used when you decided to make the movie in the style and direction the director chooses. Don't listen to those naysayers whispering in your ear before release. You put much work and thought into your decision and went for it. Statistically speaking the original plan with so much forethought and planning is overwhelming more likely to be a success than anything you could possibly cook up at the last minute. Even with help in the world it is not a single cohesive vision. It has far less thought and planning. Meddling in art is a sure fire way to fail. You are good at choosing the artist, not making the art.
Trust your decision. Fight to keep it true to the one you have chosen. If you were right and usually you are (at first). You will not only realize your true potential and receive great economic reward. You will get something else.
You will become a legend in your business.
Studios should start by releasing these directors cuts. With the battles ensuing in streaming. Now the time is right where it makes both dollars and "sense".
I have doubts that an Ayer cut would actually be an improvement over the released version.
As fan of the comics all the way back from the beginning as a war comic up to the modern version depicted in the movie, I think both will miss the mark.
Things the movie got (mostly) right:
-Harley Quinns character
-The amount of Jokers presence ( the Joker was never a central character in any way)
Things the movie got wrong:
-Casting Will Smith as Deadshot (Will Smith is good but never as an existing character, Will Smith doesn't play characters, he always plays Will Smith which doesn't work with established characters.
-The music, while the studio likely wanted to copy GotG, in that film the music had a thematic purpose, in SS it simply ruined the tone.
-Replacing King Shark with the non character Killer Kroc to save money on CG.
-The character of Captain Boomerang, in almost every way.
-And many more I'm sure I'll think of later.
While an Ayer cut could possibly have a more consistent tone with the source material, it also would break with it by having The Joker as a more central character.
All in all I'd expect it to be just as off the mark but in slightly different ways than the released version.
I would rather see a George Lucas cut of Rise of Skywalker and a Bryan Singer cut of Superman Returns
@@magellanthecat that would be interesting since he probably would start us some several years after ROTJ as to explain why Carrie Fisher isn't in it
Disney Wars isn't canon. #NeverDisney #BurnTheRat
What worked for Synder won't necessarily work for Ayer... or Feig. Why not wait for things to settle down first, then ask the studios to release their respective cuts?
The most surprising information here was fact, that HBO Max already launched :P
It’s worth fighting for, but ATT/WB really should ride out the Snyder Cut and wait till HBO MAX and it’s DC screen properties need a shot in the arm. Why blow the “re-do and revisit Studio meddled messes with Honest Director’s cuts” treasure chest in 2020-21. Save it for 2022 or when Leto’s Morbius hits and ride the marketing wave of Sony and Marvel
Ayer said at the time that there is no other version of the film, that means what they made and what we saw is all that their is.
You know what "they" say , a good story is only as good as its villain, and adding more scenes to suicide Squad will not make it any better.
I'd rather start all over again with what is to come with James Gunn .
I wouldn't mind seeing the Ayer cut of the film, out of pure curiosity's sake mainly. I hope he's correct in stating that there was a deeper more dramatic story he was telling than what we got. Honestly, Suicide Squad felt like a saturday morning cartoon show more than anything.
BRIGHT WAS GOOD And Has POTENTIAL .
yeah Andre i think stealing the thunder of the Synder Cut was the point.
I'm with you on this- I want to see the Ayer cut, but he has been a complete dink about it. Personally, while they are doing this I truly hope they listen to fans- I did a long write up review about SS and little things bothered me: Like making Boomerang all about his Unicorn and Boomerangs and never actually showing him get pissed about someone ruining it and him going bonkers chucking them all over was a HUGE miss.
And better yet- Diablo- he should've not lifted a finger until the very end. Show him getting beaten and bloody being a pacifist, then when the "god" hurts innocents and friends- then he blows up into the "devil"- a transformation devoid of meaning because he fought his way to that point.
2:34 "The surprise hit that took everyone by surprise".
Lucky it took everyone by surprise, otherwise it'd be a pretty poor 'surprise hit', wouldn't it? ;)
Surprised I wasn't the only one who thought that line was surprisingly strange
Bring on the Ayer cut.
The dude deserves to show us his movie, the cut we saw was made by a different studio ( the same that made the bohemian trailer) and on top of that the studio made reshoots without him knowing it
I am still surprised we'll get to see the Snyder cut. Not that I think it will be that great to be honest, but I'm curious to see it. And yes, it will probably be better than the version that got to the theaters.
I don't support the Suicide Squad movie. It was an awful movie and should be left for dead. Same goes for Justice League. If I had to choose though, I'd say Suicide Squad was closer to actually being something. And at least Harley and Deadshot were good characters in a terrible film. But my god, that nonsensical ending...
Bright was a bit strange, but I did like it.