Leaving the Exclusive Brethren - 60 Minutes
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- Опубліковано 10 січ 2025
- 60 Minutes New Zealand interviewed Craig Hoyle about his experiences growing up in the Exclusive Brethren not long after he was excommunicated from the church for being gay. He speaks to Sarah Hall about what it was like to grow up in the sect. (Aired 7 Dec 2009)
Wow, You are such a brave & beautiful soul, sorry to hear all this, hope you have found a silver lining.....:)
That poor sweet man. I can’t understand what is wrong with these parents. I’m a garden-variety Christian. Our daughter came out to us at 13, and it was like, “Hey, mom. I think I might be gay.” My only response was.... “Ok! We love and support you, you know that, right?” “Oh, yeah! I know! I just wanted you to know!”
It would never have occurred to me to do anything but love and accept and adore my baby, who is perfect exactly the way she is. My husband, of course, feels the same.
That’s what parents DO.
I don’t understand these people at all.
Nice 1 mum. Peace and love
It's a cult. I worked in one of their businesses for a bit over 3 months and couldn't believe their naivity. Well I could cos I knew that would excommunicate any family who didn't agree with their ways. They employed me cos I am a Christian.
While I was there I watched how they treated a young man who was only 20 and who wanted to leave them. I knew he wasn't getting any support so tried to give him as much as I could. I also tried to educate him a little on what to do in the outside world. The abuse and control was horrible to watch! They tried to lure him with buying him everything he would ever need but he stuck to his guns and left. This poor kid lost everything - family, job and friends. He's now living happily in Germany.
I also worked out quite quickly that I didn't want to work for them long term as it was hard having a naive and controlling 24 yo as my manager. I also didn't want to witness more abuse! They let me go before my trial time was up. In the end it was better to be out of there.
On a good note the group is currently being investigated by the Australian Taxation Office because of the way they set up their finances. They do things so they pay minimal tax! I am hoping the ATO takes them to the cleaners cos their whole financial system is suspect!
This is heart wrenching
Glad grandad gets to hang out with a family member now.
Thanks
the freedom to do what he wants just things we take for granted
You'll never catch these guys being represented in a Target catalogue!
There are other religions which exist where he can fit in and create a new "family" or community for himself. Sad for him that he was captive to this cult.
+YourAnjl Or maybe he might become an atheist and humanist and live free and base his moral values on reason.
just things we take for granted everyday
5:50
where can join a brach in hertfordshire
just things everyone takes for granted
I am a product of this, both my parents are brethren from Jamaica as well my brother both my parents died in 2016 no phone call or nothing my brother will not talk to me I ve been shunned for over 28 years because I am gay now transgender ive was not allowed to visit they never called I called them witch was ok we lived in Ontario I found my bio father and moved to alberta
michael Samuels - has no idea that there would be Jamaican brethren!
Live your best life Michael. :)
I used to hangout with a girl who was breatherin from school. Her family was crazy man they'd get drunk as blasting music revving chainsaws lol
Ffs hahahaha
Its like a cult.
Bel Mum That is EXACTLY what it is...
Please edit the word “like” from your comment when you get a minute
Well, it isn’t a “sect”, it’s a cult...
But Only God can judge you?!
Sorry to hear about your persecution. I hope you've been accepted again.
Glad I'm not part of this type of group tbh. Glad I haven't done anything deemed heinous or sexually heinous. Certainly nothing my parents wouldn't be proud of.
The more you stifle a person the more they breakout it seems.
Peace
Brethren generally are not the only evangelical denomination who will refuse communion at the Lord's table to those who are following a lifestyle that is clearly condemned by the Word of God, the Bible
I got you
If you have grown up in the exclusives, then you probably were never converted or born again in the true sense of the word. If you were 'saved' as we call it, then you should know better than to complain about being put out of fellowship. The guilt lies on your part in either case. It is not a conviction with only the Exclusives, any church worth it's salt would believe the same.
no contact great i love to be reclsive have no freinds might miss the tv mind
SELECTIVE BIBLE VERSES,,GOOD FOR YOU........
We are all farking,doomed!
This documentary is unfair in the extreme. Although I am not PB and would never join such a legalistic cult, it is clear to me where they are coming from, assuming their motives were pure based on strict adherence to biblical truth. The narrator is making out that the Brethren were making up their own moral code and imposing it upon this man. I don't think that is necessarily what happened here.
The Bible is extremely clear on what homosexuality is considered to be, which is sinful. When someone comes to Christ, they are meant to turn away from their sin and follow Jesus. That means they cannot adopt and practice a homosexual lifestyle, whatever their preferences. It's the same with fornicators, adulterers and any other sexual sinners, so gay people are not at a disadvantage here - as single people. The only sex that is permissible is inside the marital bed as a heterosexual couple between born male and born female. That is what the Bible states, without exception.
The first real problem here is that his poor man was born into the Brethren, therefore his parents brought their child up as Brethren too, which didn't give this man a chance to develop his own faith in the Lord Jesus. This is the only way you can become a Christian. You can't inherit Christianity, even if brought up into the faith. If he were to turn to the Lord and be saved, he would have repented of his known sin and prayed and asked for forgiveness and then set about 'cutting off his limb (so to speak) rather than go to hell, if temptation got in the way of true repentance." That would inevitably mean some sort of conversion therapy if he was unable to control himself. It seems he asked for this therapy, and it didn't work. For any reader claiming that this would be shocking and cruel, it is no different to anyone who claims to be sexually attracted to children who claims they can't help themselves. Would you consider that cruel too - to be expected to repent of that desire - and not hurt children? No.
The second real problem that it seemed wrong to me that the church threw him out. It was not his inherent sexuality that made him sinful it was any desire to act upon it or to adopt outside cultural norms to engage in sexual activity or to marry another homosexual - which would not be acceptable to any true Christian church. It seems that he was chucked out simply due to his sexuality as being inherently sinful, which seems wrong to me. Some Christians believe that homosexuality is a choice. I don't but acting upon it is. If he had committed to remain celebate he should have been allowed to stay in. It is not being homosexual that makes a gay person sinful, it is acting upon those desires. That is what the Bible stipulates.
It seems the church went too far and this man was caught in a bad situation by being born into the Brethren. He must have been very hurt indeed.
someones whos spoilt meat
Most ex brethren come back before they die and get rite
Brethrens are inbred scum
Lol wat a coincidence
No way.