Life in the Exclusive Brethren Church, and after.
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- Опубліковано 2 вер 2018
- The Exclusive Brethren Church may be somewhat of an enigma to those outside of the Evangelical Christian community. Re: met with 3 former members to talk life within - and without - the church.
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As Marlon says below this is like the Witnesses . My husband was raised in that cult. When I met him, I knew something was off. We were in a KFC and he had a total melt down.He did not know how to order. I got the story of his childhood and knew he needed some serious help. So I helped. Thirty years later He is mostly good but some of his siblings are not.
There are many groups under the Brethren umbrella and not all are like this.
I'm very thankful this is true - I'm one of the 'Brethren' myself, and everything I hear of the PBCC is especially horrifying. There but for the grace of God...
I left the exclusives about 1971 when i was 16 when there was a massive split.cos the leader then jim taylor bedded other women. being in that awfull sect ruined my life and it still haunts me today....what a shock it was entering the outside world,
Hi. If you don't mind me asking, are you UK based? I come from an "open" brethren background, which was thankfully significantly different to the more exclusive aspect of "brethrenism", and I read about the scandal in the 70's. An acquaintance of mine (who I have not been in contact with for a good while now) wrote a history of the brethren which covered this. Have you recorded a testimony of what life was like growing up in the exclusives? I had meetings with the exclusives at one stage in my younger days, and they made it clear that if I joined I would be well looked after, BUT, I would of course have to separate from family and friends! I declined. In one house I saw pictures of Darby and others (Taylor maybe, Raven, etc) on the wall; sad that the movement under Darby and Co, though not perfect, was biblically Christian, and some of it's splinter groups descended into absurd and wicked extremes of separation.
Charles H Spurgeon “Plymouth Brethren have no feeling wherever their principles are concerned. I know indeed of no sect or denomination so utterly devoid of kindness of heart. It is the most selfish religious system with which I am acquainted. It is entirely wrapped up in itself”. Charles H Spurgeon “The Darby Brethren” June 1869
I have personally dealt with the cutting edge that shed my emotional blood indifferently & repeatedly, from an ex exclusive brethren, who is a product of, and has been conditioned by this religion/cult. Emotional cruelty was second nature at times. I now realize, from research etc, what could drive a person to be so calculated and cruel, while actually thinking/believing they were being a decent person... They are taught to believe that everyone outside the religion is bad & will take advantage of them. In my experience the exact opposite was the case. I think women in society in general are more at risk from guys coming out of this religion, than the guys are from the society they have been told is uncaring and bad!! Of course every person is different, but the conflict of the utter arrogance and self entitlement (which is likely to be a learned thing in that very male dominated religion) when he clearly thought/believed he was being a decent person, versus the better side of the guy was stunning to behold. Cruel. There needs to be more awareness of the impact of this religion on people. Both the ones suffering it by having to leave behind family etc (another example of cruelty) & tackle their conditioning, and the ones who are interacting with them once they leave. Love and healing to all.
He wasn’t all that
Amazing and very accurate quote!! Thanks for that!!
You can't tell me anything about the PBCC: I have suffered for 52 years without seeing any of my family.
Sorry to hear that Paul, very sad, I use to work for PB for many years, very nice people in certain ways and not as with any narrow minded religious group.
It is a huge dilemma for many religions who want to keep themselves untainted by the world. If someone leaves and keeps contact that can mean the influences of the outside are brought in. I certainly don't agree with how they do it, nor how many other groups from the Amish to the FLDS and others do it but I can understand it.
What exactly do you mean by "untainted" ?
@@catherinejoule2453 unchanged
Love is inclusive not exclusive.
Wow that doctor didn't want to really deal with anything that mattered. Then used hostility (& presenting as if he had high blood pressure) as a convenient tool to exit the conversation. The comment made that the partners of ex exclusives need to build their own support group, is bang on. I had an ex exclusive boyfriend and there's a lot of very confusing stuff that comes up. Thankyou so much for your stories.
Good luck, and best wishes to those who left. My thoughts are with you..From scotland xx
I am a member of the brethren in Scotland would you like to join?
@@Bojachi_VODs Me too! 'Open' or 'closed'?
Any group that have repercussions to leaving can have cult like effects. I grew up in an indian conservative christian church, and got out at the age of 21. And I knew then I would have to learn a lot of skills that I didnt have due to being in the church.
As an ex Jehovah Witness, I know exactly how it feels to be in a high control group... you have to reevaluate everything, it's like getting out of jail after so many years, and see how the world looks different...
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Theres a reason so many "sects" of Christianity. Jesus is not religion, its a relationship
Dear marlom.....I know exactly how you feel when u come out of such a church which feels like being in prison... I have been in the brethren Church for the last 12 years and was asked 2 ban watching tv, listen to "worldly" songs, play playstation games etc. as they were considered worldly and satanic... when I came out of this place and went to a church where there was freedom it felt like coming out of jail and seeing the real world outside...it was nightmare being around toxic n dogmatic people...but now I'm free in christ
Yay , so now you're pro transgender children and abortions a okay right?
Sold your soul for the trinkets of Satan
i dont all the actual rules would work in the modern world
@@shutupkarl5389 DarkMatter2525: How GOD FAVORS EVIL💥
Please how can I get the scroll ?
The Amish and Quakers have a better balance. They now encourage their youngsters to go out to the world and make an informed decision. Many return. True freedom is the freedom to choose. Do not shun those who stop believing the same thing as you.
Depending on the type of amish plenty do indeed shun.
i like them to an extent
They don't get to come back if they choose not to be amish. Its not a real choice.
I went to primary school with 2 brethren, a girl and boy (not related) in the early 2000s. Then once they were intermediate age they had to go to their own brethren school. I think they were open brethren. I always felt sorry for them because when we watched a video or movie they had to leave for another room. Or when we had jump jam or any activity involving music they weren't allowed to listen to the music or participate.
I very much doubt that they were open brethren as that sounds more exclusive than open who are very much in the world compared to exclusive
@@lukepinn621, I'd agree with you that it sounds they came from a closed or exclusive brethren. There were at least three types of brethren when I lived in Montreal; open, closed and tight. I think what we called tight would be called exclusive now.
I grew up in the exclusive brethren, but were not this nuts in Canada. I mean I had a playstation growing up and played hockey on a team with "sinners".
Same here, still nuts, but not batshit crazy? Where are you from? I grew up in Saint John, NB.
Did you grow up in the closed brethren or the open?
We r all sinners saved by grace,your no different..
i live in hatfield herts and i cant find one any chance for menbership maybe start one up in hatfield herts
never trust them in business ,they will steal/take your customers , i know it affected me ,seriously i lost millions .
You’re 100 % correct. Dishonest in business..
How do you sign on for benefit and use computers if you have to
There are many Brethren I know and they all own computers, have regular jobs, own TVs etc But there is one extreme group in my area that keeps to itself called the Raven Brethren and they hold doctrines foreign to others. Most are like the local Baptists and not extreme. The problem is that the Brethren movement has many little groups under its umbrella some of these have taken the name without any relationship to the original movement and others are schisms of schisms and their beliefs and approaches are highly varied among them. What is being described in this video is not universal to the whole so-called Brethren movement.
Can someone explain to me the difference between open brethren and exclusive brethren, please?
Search on Google for open brethren and exclusive brethren. Open brethren are nowhere near as strict and are autonomous congregations whereas exclusive are much much more strict and centrally controlled (in our times) by Bruce Hales.
That's a difficult question to answer, as within the groups described in this way differ a good deal among themselves as to practice. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm one of the so-called 'exclusive brethren'. This the best definition I can provide:
'Exclusive brethren' maintain links in fellowship between multiple local meetings (or 'localities'), and attempt to walk in fellowship with as many believers as they can on this basis, believing this most closely reflects church order as we have it in the New Testament. The links between localities mean that if a judgement is arrived at in a certain locality, all other localities are bound by that judgement. For example, if a person is recognised as no longer walking in fellowship in a certain place, then they are 'universally' recognised as not walking in fellowship. The 'exclusive' label may derive from the principle of not allow persons to partake of the Lord's Supper indiscriminately. That is, enquiry would be made as to the reality of a person's faith, the godliness of their walk, etc, before they would break bread. So, it wouldn't be possible in the vast majority of cases for a person to come in off the street on a Sunday morning and partake in the cup and the loaf immediately. Brethren would not be willing to go to services at churches, or meetings of another fellowship with which they don't walk. In some cases, certain brethren may not be willing to go to social events organised by or attended by those not in fellowship, unless they're purely family occasions. Emphasis is made on commitment to the brethren with whom one breads bread.
'Open brethren' do not hold a practical universal view of fellowship in the same way that 'exclusive brethren' do. Many 'open meetings' operate independently of any other meeting (rather like a non-denominational church), so a judgement arrived at in a meeting is not generally binding on any other. They may work with other meetings, however. Some 'open brethren' will recieve a person at the Lord's table without much more than a brief enquiry - others will conduct a more rigorous enquiry into a person's faith or conduct, but generally participation in the Lord's Supper is more 'open'. Many 'open brethren' would be free to go to services or meetings held by other fellowships or denominations, provided that there was nothing doctrinally or morally wrong held or practiced by the group in question.
I think that's about as broad an outline as I can give. If you have any further questions, I'll be happy to answer them if I can.
You should have multilingual captions.
Thank you for sharing. Xx
The Brethren Church meet their brothers and sisters in the Czech Republic?
Os agradecería mucho que lo traduzcan en Español ya que no sé inglés.
Can one proselytise to EB?
yes, that's why they're handing out flyers in the street
Be expected to leave your family forever though. Exclusive brethrenism is a perverse offshoot of the early to mid 1800's movement under Darby and company. There are proper "brethren" churches which have a much healthier and biblical stance on issues of separation and fellowship.
It's terrible how people are treated in the cult
This is just sad they don’t know the gospel they say they believe in
Amen 🙏🏽 they've forgotten Jesus loves everyone regardless ❤🙌🏽🙏🏽
These are all men… I’m wondering, do many women decide to leave?
Much love to you all ❤❤
Same old story I here all the time, it is suprises how many evangelical church have biggest back door's you can imagine; if you don't o'bay church laws. Dose't it say in the christian bible in 1 Corinthians chaper 13 is all about love, and churches don't practice christion love are not Christians at all, so what are they ?
Heaps of them in Napier Hastings everywhere they own most of frimley and taradale.nutters
My relatives aren't nutters! Lol...
I know your comment is 4 years old but I just moved here from Tauranga and noticed how many brethren are here. They have a huge school in Frimley and that's why I'm watching this video to know what they actually do lol
I like there reading materials
Can you really go without TV and a computer in the modern world I wish I could be difference but you still need practical things
Why the moronic music in the background ? Please tell me what this adds
just things we take for granted
Did they ever have any problems with child sex abuse?
Yep, but they can also afford better lawyers and spin doctors. I think there head spokesmen quit after realising he was breaking the law.
@@brinjoness3386 What are you talking about?
@@Melissa0774 warch the 60 minutes Australian report on them. They talk about it there. It's on UA-cam
Yep they do
Me and my family left this cult 3 years ago I am now 11
Hi Addison. I was also 11 when my parents left the cult along with my siblings except for my eldest sister. Hope you and your family are doing well
It started in about 1820 and then spread to Plymouth--leader JN Darby-and Bristol -
Amen 🙏🏽 I always thought brethren were staunch in christ but by the sounds of it they're not. I'm a Christian and know Jesus loves everyone regardless 🙏🏽 so therefore we must love thy neighbors, for Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Much love my brothers and sisters ❤ 🙏🏽🙌🏽
@@sheilanixon913 J.N. Darby wouldn't recognise or support the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church - they've thrown aside the majority of the scriptural principles which J.N.D. held.
STOP THE SHUNNING!!!
This is the group Alexander Crowley came out of. Makes sense. You can watch the pendulum swing.
I'm pretty sure its aleister crowley
Wait for real???
@@user-gy5fd2rm5y Yes, TO MEGA THERION was born into the Exclusive Brethren and from the Brethren theology that I've read, it is actually very ontologically similar to our theology.
Wait, what? I was raised brethren and never heard this before
@@user-gy5fd2rm5yCrowleys parents were super strict Christians. His mother was the one who labeled him The Beast 666. Sick.
I work for a Brethren company in the UK, I’m not going to knock people for having beliefs but I don’t agree with the whole indoctrination of religion. People should be able to have their own choices on beliefs and ideologies. IMO.
If you choose to belong to any religion you are accepting their doctrine but no one is forcing you to belong.
you have to wonder if any of em Brethren's have actually read the Bible because it's so far off what the scriptures really say
They got stuck on Timothy 2. It even got changed in their Bible somewhere along the way to suit. And yes, there's plenty of scripture that points directly to the truth. Like the love of money being the root of all evil. And not being able to serve two masters. And that pastors/leaders are not meant to be given to drink... And the truth will set us free etc etc. If they're so free, why are they caged off from the rest of the world, and behave more wordly according to scriptural interpretation, than a lot of people I know! Mamon and power is their God. It's total hypocrisy in my opinion.
Just FYI, not all Brethren are related, or like this! We in the Church of the Brethren believe in no force in religion, that we must be in the world in order to shine a light on Christ in the world, and are not exclusive like this.....so please be careful in just saying Brethren..ty And we def read the bible :)
I like being odd taking about new world order I like being reclusive but can't because we need things at fifty three I hate modern tecnology
It won't work in the long term anyway because unless we repent of our sin we shall be separated for eternity....although God loves us He cannot tolerate sin for then His blessed Son died for nothing
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LOL what a joke, "His blessed Son died for nothing" died for a couple of day the arose from the dead, whoopdy fucking doo, if you believe that bullshit story. The God of the Bible is the evil monster, up there with Hitler and Putin
@@AdoptedDaughterofJesus you believe that bullshit you Ftard
@@Djr67 DarkMatter2525: How GOD FAVORS EVIL💥
Brother JN Darby and William Kelley had started this Fellowship.
back in 1700 or may be 1600
You are very much wrong. PB started since 1825 when Edward Cronin and Edward Wilson's family gathered together at Wilson's house, breaking the Bread for the Lord Supper for the first time. Then they moved to Fitzwilliam's Square 9 as the number of the people increased, Lord Congleton and Hutchinson, Henry Groves, Bellet joined there and moved to Aungier Street again. Thereafter John Nelson Darby Joined in late 1827. Darby wasn't famous so much until the split in 1848 between Open Brethren and Closed Brethren.
I think they started in 1848, and quickly divided into 2 groups 1) The Open Brethren led by George Muller and Anthony Norris Groves, based in Bristol The Open Group meet up with Christians from other churches and 2) The Exclusive Brethren Christian Church or Kelly Brethren or London Brethren first led by J>N>Darby and A.J. Cronin based in Plymouth.They have a Great Leader --The Elect Vessel -Bruce Hales , who is based in Melbourne This group do not meet up with other Christians , not even their fellow brethren in the Open Brethren although their teachings are similar
I was engaged to someone from the Exclusives in 1857 , but we split up when Jim Taylor said that we had to separate from our relatives who were not in the Brethren.Most of my family were Evangelical Low Church Anglicans , and I loved them so much that I broke off our engagement. Many Exclusives from the London area including some politicians eg Anthony Crosland , and a leading Historian A.J.P.Taylor all left in 1961 and 1962 , My best friend from school decided to stay "in" when we left and I have n ever seen her since 1957. I still feel very sad when I think about all the people I knew . loved and lost.I have never lost my faith and now go to a Cof E Church like I did all those years ago.
Sorry it was in 1957 not 1857
Try the early nineteenth century.
@@sheilanixon913 I never knew that A.J.P. Taylor was amongst 'brethren', that's interesting. I don't blame anyone for leaving during the '60s. My grandparents (on both sides) suffered through the '60s and then separated at the division in 1970. I've heard so many stories from older brethren of family members lost and relationships broken off at 1970 and before. I can't begin to imagine what you and others have gone through... that period stands as a warning to all of us today.
Im going to close you down.
sounds great to join surely not all the rules can work in todays world
So the Exclusive Brethren are essentially the Amish but with cars and electricity.
That's mennonite
Surely this is just abuse?
Why are you drinking that not good
I'm over 70 and my wife and I have joined an assembly, not the exclusive ones, they are a cult. We've had a lot of experience over 50 years is various churches,mostly Bible believing, like Baptists etc.
We are happy with the fellowship, we've always believed in headcovering for women and been against women pastors so we fit in.
Our assembly is fairly open, they accept us as old hippies from the 60s turned Christians.
As for the guy who is a homosexual, well sorry mate, God doesn't accept that, it is sin, so no truly Bible believing church will accept it, but hopefully would love you and pray you repent.
You would be surprised, then, to find out that there are Bible believing churches that are open and accepting of homosexual Christians.
I LOVE THE Brethren Life...The world has nothing to offer you..unless you find this out for your self but be ready to pay the Price for this err>>Belive me i know........................
As someone who grew up in the brethren, it’s an abusive cult filled with evil and mind control. TRUST ME- because I would know first hand the horrors they hide
@@mikaylaholt4772 Have you produced a testimony of your time in the exclusive brethren Mikayla? (I hope you don't mind me asking.) Thanks.
As an ex brethren I agree with u mikayla
Why you on the internet then and using technology?
Just FYI, not all Brethren are related, or like this! We in the Church of the Brethren believe in no force in religion, that we must be in the world in order to shine a light on Christ in the world, and are not exclusive like this.....so please be careful in just saying Brethren..ty
I have nothing but respect for the Exclusive Brethren for it is from their ranks that the Great Beast 666 was born.
U are insane
@@loriannrichardsshinn6714 That's not incorrect.
@@IndustrialMilitia 😂😂😂
Very true...if u know Alistair crowley saw the brethren churchs hypocrisy and was abused by his brethren mother who called him a "beast" when he was a kid which traumatized him and he decided 2 b a satanist instead
Get back on your meds you lunatic.
Seems like a good group as long as you're true to the Word of God.
Good morning Brother
Seems like a good group as long as good truth
Brother I am very much interested if possible please let me know what is your principles and doctrines
Thank you Brother
@@bussajoseph8441Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. 🙏🏽 🙌🏽 hope this helps, hallelujah 🙌🏽
My thoughts exactly, although I think they have an Ephesus age spirit and need an evangelical spirit to keep humble, prepare their children via interaction with the local population as well as fulfilling the most important of all great commission. When a church becomes a duty and not a mission it’s lost its vision. The lord sent a sword upon the earth the sword of the spirit which divides sin and convicts it to the cross where it belongs. The church doesn’t need to evolve into a secret society time capsule. It needs to adapt but stay true to the word, set boundaries with children, don’t abuse them and tell them the truth about sin and they won’t want any part of it.
Went from being "ex Brethren" to "Look at me, a poor gay guy".
Elaborate?