RS5 Transmission Service How To
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- How to service the 2013-2015 Audi RS5 S-Tronic transmission, both the manual and automatic sides of the DL501 transmission.
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Amazing video and awesome car! Thanks for taking the time to put together.
Nice work! Where were your vids when I had my RS5?!?
any mechanic will appreciate a ton of paper towels!
great job ... thank you for making this video ..... most appreciate
Love your vids! Quick question, should you replace the cross brace bolts with new ones?
Ideally yes, new bolts. Everything Audi uses is a torque to yield or stretch bolt and is meant to be torqued once.
thank you so much for all the detailed information!!!
Glad it was helpful!
There is a front open diff and a center diff. Those are integrated into the transmission and aren’t serviced separately from the transmission.
As always, what a great job. The fluid that came out of the transmission looked fresh, though...
Awesome! Thanks for the "How To"!
I have an Audi RS5 B8 MY 2014. How many diffs does this car have? I know it has the rear diff... but what I'm confused about is does it then have a further front and centre diff? Or is it just a front or just a centre? Thanks!
Beautiful! On my 2010 st they say use g052513 on the mtf side? Have you heard of this and is this correct?
Hey, great instructional video. Why was the reason to change the fluid/filter. It is not lifetime fluid on yours?
Also Do you feel some hot spot when your right foot tooches the center console/transmission shifter (where you have media buttons)?
It is not lifetime for the RS5 and it's critical the fluids be changed on time per Audi's recommendation. I would highly recommend replacing the fluid on a regular basis in any car equipped with the DL-501 7-speed S-tronic, RS5 or other. I haven't noticed any hot spots!
@@RS5Fanatic My car is 2012 S5 MT 6 speed. I started to get some hot spot when I drive these days. always when my right foot touches center console piece. I heard it is lifetime tran oil. I probably need to at least open the fill plug to check if it is not low.
@@ersbit Ok yes, a very different transmission than the S-Tronic! It can't hurt to change the MTF every 50,000 miles or so especially if you push the car hard at the track.
@@RS5Fanatic Yep. Great advice. I will change it soon
Hello. Thank you for this write up :)
But I have a question: you have mentioned, that drain and fill plugs atf and mt side have an aliuminium washers. Today I started servising my gearbox mt side and both plugs (drain is with temp sensor like on yours car) and there was no any washers. Looked on ETKA and there no washers for mt plugs and atf side has just one washer with drain plug. So is here some yours mistakes in this write up or I dont understand what you mean aluminum washers on plugs?
My rs5 same year like yours 13", just mine in sepang blue :)
Thank you for answer
Nice. How much different is this from a manual 6 speed on a s5. I think the 6 speed doesn't have a ATF side. its just one type of fluid. But I know the sport diff on the s5 has a ATF and MTF side.
Awesome video! I am about to do mine soon. Do you know of a video on how to properly put a B8.5 on jackstands?
I don't. When I put the car up on four lifts, I start at the rear and then move to the front but I start at a lower level then go around again and raise the car as high as I can get it. I don't raise it to the max in one shot.
Nice work dude what kind of oil you used for the ATF side
I saw your pumping 4 litters but what kind
If it was four liters, that's the manual transmission fluid (MTF) and it was the OEM Audi fluid. I had wanted to use Motul Gear 300 like I did in the differential but their tech guy didn't get back to me in time. It is indeed ok to use Motul Gear 300. I like it as it has a super high viscosity index. The full writeup can be found here: www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/833033-RS5-full-fluids-service-how-to-(transmission-and-rear-differential)
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I’m going to be honest with you and I’m sure you’re going to laugh I was trying to change the oil on my rs5 last night and I got confused tho I took the plastic cover off the one is next of the steel cover
And I thought it was the engine drain plug but I guess it wasn’t it was the ATF drain plug according to your report and the diagram you posted on the forum
So I notice it wasn’t engine oil but it had already drain like 800ml Pf that kind of oil :( so I put the plug back in there real quick and start doing research and found this I need help now tho what do you recommend now to get that done the right way
RS5 Fanatic I drove the car like that without the oil got drain now is that a problem ? Where can I get a quarter out oil quick so I can have my mechanic put it back in there ASAP ?
@@johnnylopez5356 I won't laugh. You're not the first to do that and I've heard of others doing it. You'll need to get the car up on four jacks (or a lift). Go to the link above and look for the ATF fluid level procedure. The other option, which is somewhat easier, is to remove the driver's side throttle body, pull off the vent cap on top of the transmission (It's a little black thing and it pulls right off), install a 3/8" fuel hose, run said hose up above the engine bay, attach a funnel, and pour 800ml of the recommended Audi ATF fluid in there. That'll at least keep your transmission safe until you can bring it to a shop and have them verify the level properly.
@@johnnylopez5356 If you cannot get the Audi OEM fluid quickly, Liqui-Moly 8100 is also a good choice and what I use. I might consider draining all of it at this point (measure it!) and dump in what you took out plus the original 800ml. You should not drive the car as loosing that much ATF fluid will affect how the transmission shifts. Be very careful!
Hey man thanks for all the info! Doing the service on my 13 RS5. Can you confirm that the MTF drain plug (temp sensor) has a washer? Mine did not apparently. Thanks
It does indeed have a washer.
@@RS5Fanatic thanks for the reply brother. Do you by chance know the part #? For some reason mine does not have one from the factory and the parts guys here cannot find it in the diagram. They only have the listing for the copper atf one and the temp sensor as a whole.
Great video. at what millage does this service need to be completed? and what would be the cost of supplies?
Going by Audi's maintenance guide, it's basically every 15K, 35K, 55K, 75K 95K, 115K and 135K but changing out the ATF/MTF fluid alternates. Here's a full breakdown: www.audiusa.com/content/dam/audiusa/Documents/maintenance-schedules/MY_2014_Audi_USA_Scheduled_Maintenance_9-7-2017.pdf
I ended up changing both this time around as I wanted to run the Liqui-Moly 8100 ATF fluid and Motul Gear 330 MTF fluid. It's not necessary to change both at each 20K interval.
Cost wise, for both sides plus the rear differential fluid, you're probably looking at about $400 in parts alone. To have the dealer do it, it'll be around $2K unless you've purchased an Audi Care package. It's still around $1200 with Audicare depending on what sort of deal you strike.
I did a big writeup on Audizine on everything I purchased to service the transmission and rear differential. It was about $700 off the top of my head. www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/833033-RS5-full-fluids-service-how-to-(transmission-and-rear-differential)?highlight=differential+service
whats up with the cross contamination how did you manage that when using the brake bleeder with different fluids for atf/mtf? also you said you used the motul 300??? you mean for the rear dif right??? not the transmission.
I did not cross contaminate. I avoided this by using different bleeders OR by cleaning out the bleeder's container with denatured alcohol. For Motul, it's GEAR 300 for the rear diff. I no longer recommend Gear 300 for the transmission as the formula changed. Redline has a higher VI index now.
@RS5Fanatic ah I gotcha! I got an s5 without a sport diff =[... i take it I don't have an ATF side to change on the standard rear diff?
@@jonathan1164 That would be correct, non-sport diff means no ATF side, just normal gear oil.
@RS5Fanatic appreciate it thank you 😎
@@RS5Fanatic can I use the same ATF oil for the rear diff as for the gear box ?
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hi , i realy liked your viseo .
i'm thinking about to buy a rs 5 but the guy say's the the car has a tcu problem in the gearbox do you know something about this ? and is it easy to repair ?
he say's that the car it's driveble .
please answer , thanks
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There is something called a mechatronic in the gearbox which is what actuates the clutches. It was known to be a problem in older Audis before 2012, specifically, the electronics board on the mechatronic burning out. They updated the design and added a larger heat sink. On the RS5, it's very important all the maintenance is done on time, especially the gearbox and rear differential. Make sure the car you are buying has a service history and those items were serviced on time.
When driving the car, the shifts down should be smooth, particularly 2nd into 1st as you come to a stop. If you're getting a big "bump", almost like another car has hit you in the back while coming to a stop, it could be a sign the mechatronic is on it's way out.
Nothing on an RS5 is necessarily cheap to fix. The good news is the mechatronics itself can be repaired instead of purchasing a whole new unit which is expensive. There are several places here in the U.S. which can fix them as well as places in Europe. If it's just the electronics board, Audi sells that separately and it's about $400 U.S. for the part. Fairly cheap. A rebuild of the solenoids and thermostat is about $500 U.S. and a new mechatronics is about $2500.
So on the S-tronic, the three items which seem to have the most problems are the Mechatronics electronic board (this is NOT the TCU), the mechatronics hydraulic unit itself, and a gear position sensor inside the gearbox portion of the gearbox. Those are the only items I've ever head going bad and it doesn't happen often like it did on earlier Audis.
Make sure you have a very specific diagnosis on what is wrong with the car you're looking to purchase. It is possible to change out the mechatronics unit as a whole or the electronics board yourself, at home. If it's a gear position sensor in the gearbox, the gearbox has to come out and the case needs to be split to get to it. It's a $60 part but it'll cost $2K in labor. Hope that helps and thanks for being a subscriber!
thank's @@RS5Fanatic
Were there washers that needed replaced for the center differential MTF drain and fill plugs? My ATF kit came with 2 that I used, and I have yet to do the MTF. My kit did not come with any.
There is a washer on the MTF drain plug. It can fall off and you can loose it when draining the fluid so be careful there. You CAN reuse it and it will even seal without it.
@@RS5Fanatic sweet. Thank you so much!
Hi There!
Thank you so much for this, I wanted to know if you could please help me with some Info.
I have an S5 B8 and I need to do a transmission fluid change. I wanted to know if I can Use the Motul 300 for the Auto Transmission as well? The Cost for Oem Oil in South Africa costs almost $100 per Litre and I'm looking for a cheaper but decent quality alternative. Any help would be largely appreciated!!!
Most welcome but unfortunately I don't think you can use Motul 300 in the auto trans on the B8. I haven't done any research on that transmission so best to stick with the OEM fluid. There has to be an aftermarket equivalent though. Just need to find out what the Audi oil specs are and make sure the aftermarket oil meets those specifications.
Hey looking at Motul's site, Gear 300LS is recommended along with Motul ATF VI on the auto side of the gearbox.
@@RS5Fanatic Thanks you so much man! I really appreciate it.
For the DSG fluid, if we put back exactly how much it came out, do I still need scanner to adjust the fluid level？thanks
Technically yes. You do not use a scanner to check fluid levels. Fluid levels are checked by opening the inspection port on the side of the transmission. The fluid temperature has to be within the range listed in the factory service manual (it's in the link). Once you're at the minimum temperature range, open the inspection port and see if any fluid comes out. The car has to be absolutely level when you check.
@@RS5Fanatic Thanks. I will try that!
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Did you reset the temperature counter after changing the oil?
I've actually never heard of resetting the temp counter so I'm not sure what you're referring to. I know when you look at various readings using the VCDS you can look at high temp interventions (temp protection) but I've not really looked for a way to reset them as I didn't think it was necessary. Plus with the new RMR transmission cooler, heat interventions are a thing of the past.
@@RS5Fanatic Yeh im kinda confused my self but if you have the Factory service manual under Gr 39 section 6.2 Guided functions for Gearbox
Changing gear oil on vehicles with gearbox oil temperature
sender 2 - G754- (Audi RS 5/RS 4): 02 - Reset temperature
counter (G754) (Rep.-Gr. 34) ⇒ page 233
Gear oil change (Audi RS 5/RS 4)
♦ For vehicles with gearbox oil temperature sender 2 - G754-
-1-, the gear oil (MTF) must be changed after a specified
change interval (specified number of km) ⇒ ELSA maintenance
tables .
♦ On these vehicles the gearbox oil temperature is monitored
additionally by the gearbox oil temperature sender 2 - G754- .
If a high gearbox oil temperature is registered over a certain
period of time, an internal counter in the automatic gearbox
control unit - J217- is incremented. If the normal temperature
parameters are exceeded a specified number of times, an entry
is made in the event memory of the gearbox control unit,
and the gear oil (MTF) must also be changed.
In both cases, a “Guided Function” must be performed to reset
the internal counter in the automatic gearbox control unit - J217-
after a gear oil change
Not sure how you would do this on VCDS but its very simple on ODIS.
@@muckman5509 Ok yes, you can most likely reset it using the VCDS and it's for the manual side of the gearbox. Good to know that's there! If you get an intervention, your dash'll light up like a Christmas tree and it willl most likely give you a gearbox error but you can drive normally kind of thing, I've gotten the MTF well above 100C so it'd have to be pretty extreme to get intervention on the MTF side! Go to this link, I've been discussing the OEM transmission cooler and the interaction between the ATF and MTF side. there's no MTF cooler. forums.audirevolution.net/t/rs5-aftermarket-transmission-cooler-system/10599/29
RS5 Fanatic will you be making a vid changing the MTF side ?
Muckman it’s in the video. I change both fluids. Manual side is super easy. Just drain, measure fluid and refill in side of transmission.