🤔What About from a Rifle?🤔
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2022
- Testing out some ammo that performed poorly from short barrels. Can a longer barrel give them the edge they need? Ballistic gel test of .357 Magnum, .38 Special, & .44 Magnum using Henry lever action rifles!
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38 Spec. +P was unexpected.
An efficient round out of that 20" barrel.
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True, but it still did a nice job as far as damage and penetration. So as a defensive round in states where semi-auto rifles are banned, it would have still been adequate. That being said, .357 SP rounds are definitely nicer, but I could see where someone concerned with over-penetration would perhaps want to go with a .38 Special round.
And very consistent.
Yeah. The 38 special round wasn’t too bad. It would be a great two legged self defense round out of a lever action rifle.
It is also was a lot quiter. So for home defence and hearing concern its a good option.
i love how uber violent 44 mag is in lever guns
Awesome video I don't think anyone had done a 158 grain 357 mag soft point in a rifle video on any other UA-cam channel. This was a great analytical contribution.
Thank you sir.😎👍
Excellent results, Tools! The +P 38 SPL. Surprised me in a good way. Rifles also have a benefit in that they are less noisy than hand tools. Great info, Sir!
Thank you sir. Definitely a lot quieter.
@@ToolsandTargets I remembered that longer barrels mean more friction, and that means softer lead. Bullets that are slower out of pistols are going to be harder when they find their target, so less deformation and mushrooming. I think it's fully half of the equation. Keep up the good work, Sir. We're all very grateful for your efforts.
That 44 may have been a bit short, but dang explosive damage , the 357 and 38 did very good , thanks for sharing
Appreciate ya watching!
something feels very off about that 44 magnum result.
Every time I think of an idea of something I want to see, tools and targets has done it already 😂
This test reminded me why . 38 Special and . 357 mag are really among the most useful ever invented. You could head for the woods with a . 38 Spec revolver and a . 357 carbine and never skip a beat for defense or food in most places. And also rarely need full power mag ammo either.
They are some great rounds.😎👍
Amazing how much variance in performance you get with different length barrels. Great test. 👍👊🇺🇸
Yeah, huge difference. Thank you sir.
Very good video! And yes, I was not surprised a bit. The 180 44Mag is not designed for that velocity. Knew it was going to come apart. Unless going to a 240gr JSP, they're likely to come apart. One of the reasons I sold my 44Mag levergun.
The 357Mag and the 38hp, well, I expected both to do well. One reason why I cast a 160gr Keith SWC HP for both. Brutal on the hogs and coyotes that roam around my woods. Only thing meaner is my Henry Big Boy in 45 Colt. A 255gr cast SWC from a 20" barrel is a genuine hoss!
Love your channel and always look forward to seeing you test and evaluate things with your no nonsense methods. 👍
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👍
Man, you have got that right about the 45 Colt out of a carbine length barrel.
It hits really hard, even out just past 100 yards. They ring and shake the hell out of an AR500 large E silhouette at 100 yards.
Definitely surprised me! I thought the soft point was doomed and the 44mag I thought it wouldve been one of the better performers. I assumed the HTP would do well.
Same here
This test was a very good idea, feel like there was something to be learned.
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.
Thanks you for the retest on the HTP in a carbine, you are a man of your word,👍🏻👍🏻! These are great rounds, underrated in this modern age of hyper ammunition, but they still soldier ahead and get the job done!
Appreciate you!😎👊
It's incredible to see range of performance. I love this channel! 🇺🇸
Thank you ma'am. 😎
I imagine that 38 felt like shooting a 22 and would be great for someone recoil sensitive! I am glad to see the PMC 357 did well in the rifle, adequate hunting round for sure! I have about 600rds of that but no rifle (yet) just 6" revolver and I like how it shoots in it! It did great! That 44 tho lol she flyin to pieces captain!! 🚀💥!! It would be interesting to see how the Federal and Remington rounds do with similar projectiles! Have a good one brother thanks for the awesome tests! Good stuff! 👍
It felt like a toy with the .38 special.😆
@@ToolsandTargets Very deadly toy.
I have the Marlins in 357 and 44. Even my 5'3 wife can handle them, because in a 6# carbine, recoil is way diminished.
Awesome re-test Brother!!! Surprised me too!!! Appreciate everything you do my friend!
Glad to see the PMC .357 do well from the rifle at least.
Nice test to perform! I agree with your assessment of all three rounds. The one that surprised me the most was the .44 Magnum. It hit the gel block with incredible force. Yet the depth was so shallow. While the .38 Special gets considerably less boost in performance compared to the magnums, I've noticed that(at least in standard pressure rounds) they are incredibly quiet. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your tests like this with the lever action .357 Mag.
Had a 240 grain JHP .44 mag. been used, penetration and expansion would have been much more balanced due to the lower velocity and heavier bullet weight.
Thank you sir. That .38 was super quiet. definitely gonna be testing more with the rifles.😎👍
Never had a problem with the PMC Bronze hunting 357 158 SP getting to expand out of 6.5in Ruger Blackhawk. Good hunting load. The 4in that was tested might just be too short to get the velocity.
Nah, that round will expand and do the job out of a 4" revolver. Maybe not quite as dramatic as out of a 6", but more than good enough out any 4" revolver.
I am more of a semi auto guy, love Glock and the 1911, but lately I have been getting interested in the revolver and lever action type of things. Having one good round for both sounds like it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the vid.
I'm the same way. This past year I picked up quite a few revolvers and lever guns. They're a lot of fun.
I'm so glad you did this video . Thanks.
Appreciate you checkin it out!😎👊
Nice! Like the Henry's as well. Thanks for the video.👍🇺🇸
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Great video bud!! Miss your live shows! You have to bring back your live shows tools!!!
Thank you sir. I really need to get my gun room organized so I can put together a better setup for lives.
One of the best comparisons with more specifics on the tests.👍🙏
Thank you sir.😎👊
Great performance on the 357 and 38spl +p which says to me that high velocity does not always mean you will or will not get good performance because that was pretty bad for the 44. 👍👍thanks for the video tools
Yep. That .44 bullet couldn't handle the speed.
After seeing your first videos on the pmc theer was a little concer about their performance. I'd just picked up a bunch of it for my henry. Glad to see you put these rounds through rifles. Excellent video
Thank you sir. They were like a whole different round from the rifle.😎👍
Good lord Tools this was really an interesting test. Sure didn't expect these results. The 38 & 357 did an awesome job. Now the 44 was just moving to fast, but can you imagine the sheer devastating damage that would do with a head shot. Other than that the target better be thin skinned for it to a really good job. It's just not a rifle length round.
Thanks again for some really awesome testing Tools. You be the man that's for sure.
Be vigilant, becsafe
Thank you sir. That .44 mag would leave a nasty mess.
Thanks for the great information for two of my favorite calibers.
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Long barrel giddy up! I've seen YT vids with 357 out of long barrel lever guns over 1800 fps.
And despite the slower velocity, even that 38 spl is a nasty bullet.
Mhmm
Making me miss my Marlin 44 Magnum, I used Hornady 240gr JHP and In my Ruger Redhawk and they were great, My Sister orders from Amazon a lot, So I told her to let me give you the link to my friends channel as it helps the channel and she agreed, She spends quite a bit on Amazon so you will get the hook up, Good test, Thanks Brian. 👍
Thank you sir. Definitely appreciate that.😎👍
I appreciate your work. Well done 👏
Thank you sir.😎👊
Man you're my new favorite channel, lots of interesting things. The kinds of things I wanted to try once I got some decent land to shoot on more frequently!
Thank you! Appreciate the support!😎👊
Your videos are some of the best! Entertaining and informative. With the cartridges tested, the .357 will do the job on whitetail. The .38 would make a nice house gun, or close range hunting choice, and the .44 , while not suitable for anything you were going to eat, would destroy coyotes, and any bad guy hit with it - the undertaker would just have to put a clean suit on the corpse
Thank you sir. Agreed. They would all three get the jobs done.😎👍
Wow, great test bro. That .44 kicks butt!
Thank you sir.
Good jelly Test Tools Really enjoyed it 👍🏼Tools Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
Thank you sir!
Vary interesting results, can't wait to see some more 44 mag ammo testing with the henry.
I got tons more .44 rounds to test!😎👍
Tools!!! Super interested in the results you find out of rifles!! Nice looking rifles you got there!! Okay, I got get rid of the keyboard to watch.
Thank you ma'am.
Finally, thanks for doing this !!
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Been looking for this test, seems like a soft point is the optimal hunting cartridge for 357 rifle. Great expansion and penetration. Would be curious how PMC stacks up against Federal or Remington in a soft point. I was a little surprised at the velocity of the PMC 357 158 gr, thought it would be a little higher. 20" barrel might actually be slowing it down a little, 16 - 17 inches seems to be the optimal length for velocity.
As far as stopping power I give it to the 44. It might not have depth but it hit like a freight train 🚂. Give me the 357.
It hit with authority for sure.
That 44 sure hit with good power but don't like that it came apart. Actually thought fps on 38 & 357 would be higher but expanded well. Appreciate your time. 👍 🇺🇸 🙏
I was surprised that .44 mag went to pieces.
@@ToolsandTargets After 4 days of fighting Covid for the 3rd time I feel like I've been hit with that 44. Vaccine shots did not help.
@@billdye3530 Ahh talk about bad luck. Hope you get feeling better soon, brother!
@@ToolsandTargets I can laugh now but Wed night I took my Security 9 & magazines off because I thought I might be headed to ER. Hospitals don't like you to carry but I noticed you get quicker service when you do.😂😂
That 44 bullet was designed for pistol barrel lengths. The rifles extra barrel length made the velocity too high for that bullet speed, hence the coming apart issue. A 240 grain or higher bullet would perform far better from that rifle.
For the shorter distance I encounter in the woods I hunt. The 44 mag from pistol or rifle is a favorite. First ever two-fer was with a Ruger 44 magnum rifle (wasn't intentional).
Nice.😎👍
I figured somebody would have done a 10/22 video givin the date . Nice rifle though
Didn't even think about that.😆
Dang that was a huge difference in the 44mag report. Was lookin away, definitely caught my attention😎
Definitely
Definitely not what I expected. Great video
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Surprised the 44 came apart considering it didn’t expand at pistol velocity. The rifle definitely woke the up 357 round. Nice test, hope to see some more rounds tested from the rifle. Thanks for sharing Tools!
Thank you sir. Definitely got lots more rifle stuff coming!
Nice! That 357 was impressive. But so was the 38 out of that length barrel. The 44 just couldn’t hang with that speed. Lol. That was a great test as always 👍🇺🇸
Yeah that .44 bullet was like, How fast?...Nope
I’ve done quite a bit of testing with that HTP 38 special lswchp from rifles. I have a ballistics test results video using HTP 38 special +p from a Rossi M92 16” on my channel. Nice video sir. I’d love to see some critical defense 38 special +p tests with that Henry!
Appreciate that.😎👊
Very nice shooting and love those henry rifles!
Thank you sir.😎👊
Good video. I was also surprised by the 180 gr 44 Magnum load.
Thank you sir.
That seems a pretty insane speed on that .44 mag round, faster than the .357 by a long shot. I definitely like that lead, hollow point semi-wadcutter .38 spcl round, that's the best I think for a .38 load.
It did great from the rifle.😎👍
Thanks for the retest. A lot better in the longer barrel
Like night and day.😎👍
I tested almost all the factory 44 mags in a 22 inch barrel. Hornady 240 grain XTPs were the best. 1888 FPS!
Nice.😎
Thanks for the test Tools.
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I'd love to see a 44 special test out of that Henry if you get bored or run out of things to do
I can do that.😎👍
Federal punch in 44 special
The old FBI .38 Special +P 158 gr SWCHP is a very serious load. It may be magic ✨. That one might be losing speed potential in a 20" tube you would have to try a 16" to find out.
Really nice test!!! 👊👍
Thank you, brother.
Love those 44's . Just sucks I'm poor
I feel that
I got lucky, I found some primers and I cast my lead.🍻
They are kinda pricey.
reload
Unfortunately there isn't a lot of reviews on the PMC 44 mag 180gr, yours being one of the very few videos on it. I have the Taurus raging hunter 44 mag 8.37" barrel. I just ordered some of the 44 mag pmc. My brother has a chrono so I'll find out what it does with the 8.37" barrel.
I have a Rossi lever gun in 357 magnum, and it is accurate, reliable, and I’ve shot it out to 200 yards. Cool to see this test in Gel though! Those pic bronze semijacketed flat nose are what I like to carry in my 357 magnums. Great test!
Those 38 special were weak loads but man very consistent!
Thank you sir. I was happy to see the .357 PMC do well.
I got some Pmc 357 and absolutely love how they shoot
These did really good from this rifle.
Great info bud.
Cool test. My wife and I shoot .38 special out of a Winchester 1873 clone for cowboy action shooting. I've always wondered how it might perform with real world ammo. Thanks!
Thank you sir. Love being able to run .38 special to plink around with.
Now you need a pcc in 9mm ,10mm, 45acp, 40, and so when you do your testing with hollowpoints we can see which ones work with the added velocity. I would be happy if you just got one in 9mm as that is what I have and I am selfish😁.
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9mm, 45ACP and 40S&W don't pick up as much energy when fired from a long barrel. Google "ballistics by the inch"
That 44 is definitely not designed for use in a rifle. Certainly not designed for that velocity. The 357 and 38 would probably be good hunting rounds inside of 60 or so yards. Great comparison video.
Thank you sir.😎👍
With a hard cast bullet or a jacketed soft point bullet the 44 magnum makes a very good hunting round. The hollow point was just pushed past it’s performance envelope.
Another great video, found some 22lr punch today. Rk had 44mag bought 1 bx
Can you do more tests with the Henry 44 mag. I watched other tests with that same ammo and had better results.
44 didn't go too far but from the looks of that mess it made i doubt if it needs to .
Definitely messy.
Both the .357 and the .38+P performed excellently. Goes to show that the .357 can be a good short-range hunting round and the .38+P can be a good defense round at shorter ranges. That .44 was just moving too fast for its construction. If the jacket was just a bit thicker, it probably would do a lot better out of a rifle.
Agreed. I was really happy to see this .357 do well since I have quite a bit of it.
Had to revist this one, Brownell's has those PMC 357s for $26 a box.
They did good except for the 44 that was sad I expected way better from a 44 Stay Safe and God Bless enjoy your weekend 🙏🙏
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Another informative video thank you sir!
Appreciate that as always!
Stumbled across your channel a few weeks ago and subscribed right away. Love your tests and delivery. Your videos are a pleasure to watch. Keep it up. BTW, do you ever wear any other hats?
Thank you sir. Appreciate that. I wear a different one when it's cold.😎👍
Just listening to this man makes it a good day,You’ll enjoy this channel…
Loving these rifle videos brother
Appreciate that!
Another great test. Jacket on the 44 weak!
Thank you sir.😎👊
All 3 did very good especially the 357
Yessir. The .357 was nice.
NICE TEST, GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS.
Appreciate that!
You don't have nearly enough subscribers that you deserve for thr great content. One thing I would like is to see how some rifle ammo tests at 200 or 300 yards due to that being a normal shot for us western hunters ( alot of the time shots are taken much further than that)
Appreciate that. I'd like to have some wide open plains sometimes to test really long stuff. I'd be willing to bet that 95% or more of the game in this area is taken at under 100 yards. Hills, hills, and more hills.😆
The .44 mag was a surprise for sure. But I kind of expected the performance of the other 2.
That .44 mag bullet couldn't take the powah!
That color case hardened carbine is a beauty there Tools 👍🇺🇲👍
Thank you sir.
Awesome test ! disappointed in the 44 mag ! 357 and 38 special did exactly what i was hoping to see !
Thank you sir.
As slow as .38 was kinda neat ..357 mag wow nice penetration and good expansion ..357 is just awesome
It did great from a rifle.😎👍
I got some pmc 357mag jhp in 150gr, haven't gave them a shot yet, box of 50 and have nickel plating casing and it looks like they may just match the bronze Pmc you're testing.. very impressive. Your video gave great detail and we enjoyed your personality along with it! You have some nice Henry's too. Mine is the big boy All Weather in 357mag/.38spl and doing research on the .38. Need to cycle +p in 158gr or more for the Henry and that made better choices for us to make sure we got the right ammo for wife n boys to fire out. Thank you and have fun making more videos! Try another ammo test with federal premium hammerdown 357mag in 170gr bhp? Would love to see a gel test on them as well please.. we bought 2 boxes and waiting for them in the mail. Be safe and walk well.
Thank you sir! Absolutely love these Henry rifles. I actually want to add an all-weather to my collection in .45 Colt since I don't have a .45 Colt or all-weather yet. Figured I would kill two birds with one stone. I'll see if I can dig up some .357 Hammer Down. I know I have some in .327 mag but can't remember what all .357 I do have.😎👍
@Tools&Targets I watch a lot of ammunition videos and we like yours! Clean fun, great details and no cussing! Most young adults testing ammo all have potty mouths and turns us off quickly.. we are trying to teach our boys about our guns and safety, but cannot let them watch a young buck shoot his pie hole off and disrupts the teaching. Thanks if you do decide to try out them hammerdowns.. Haven't seen much of being tested like you do. Ya them all weather's are some sweet rifles.. I'll be looking into a 30/30 for the Elk hunts and probably pass down the 357mag to the boys but we wanna make they use sound ammo...
Ammo manufacturers need to start posting on each Ammo type what length barrel it's designed for . So many bullets fail to expand or hold together because we are left guessing what barrel length they were designed for.
Agreed
As a defensive round in states where semi-auto rifles are banned, the .38 Special JHP round would be quite adequate. That being said, .357 SP rounds are definitely nicer, but I could see where someone concerned with over-penetration would perhaps want to go with a .38 Special round. People forget that bullets react different in wet material (like living tissue) versus hard material (wood, drywall, aluminum siding, etc...). People forget that SP and JHP bullets react differently in wet targets (living tissue) compared to hard materials like those used in home construction. As such, despite similar penetration levels in ballistics gel between the .38 SPC JHP round and the .357 magnum SP round, there's little doubt that the .357 magnum round would penetrate a lot more walls than than the slower .38 SPC round. This is a valid concern if you don't want rounds ending up in a neighbor's house.
For hunting small to medium size game (like hogs and deer) however, there's no doubt that the .357 magnum SP round would be excellent as long as shot placement was good.
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Brother, I am very curious about a couple of loads from a rifle. One is the .38spl FBI load which I think might be very interesting. The other is a weird one but I am a curious cat. That is the .38spl HBWC target load. I know they probably wouldn't feed but if you could single load it would be interesting to see what that soft WC would do at higher velocity.
GREAT VIDEO TOOL ... !!!!!! I WAS SURPRISE ON THE 44... !!!!!!! WOW .... !!!!!!!! THANK YOU BROTHER .... !!!!!!
Thank you sir. It was angry!
Great test, pmc soft point would be a great dear cartridge at ranges to 100yds but that 44 round was disappointing. 38 might be a good defensive round in the rifle. Thanks for the info.
Thank you sir.
Could you test the Federal American Eagle 357 Magnum 158 grain Softpoint from the Rifle ,from what I am seeing they are about $35.00 for a box of 50 rounds.
Might be a good relatively inexpensive Deer hunting round for the 357 carbine?
Heck, might be a good defensive round as well !
Ooo. Need to do some 44 Special defensive loads out of the rifle
Wow!! The 44 magnum was incredible 😂
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Pistol caliber lever actions are so much fun to shoot 😁👍
They really are!
Be blessed
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Another great video brother 👊🏻🇺🇸
Amazing results
Totally different story than from the revolvers.
That 38 special is probably a little faster out of a 16" barrel, because it is running out of juice before it leaves a 20" barrel. All in all, a great video though!
That 44 mag was spicy!
Very!💥💥💥
Hornady has the right idea, offering XTP Mag bullets for use in higher velocity application (lever guns, .460 S&W Mag, etc), but so far they haven't added the magnum XTP option to .44 caliber or .357 caliber, only .452 and .500 calibers. The XTP Mag bullet is supposed to be much tougher to deal with higher velocity impacts.
Lesser bullets typically blow to bits.
Generally going from a revolver to a rifle gains from 200 - 400 fps. The lower power cartridges on the lower side of the scale.
On the 357 158 gr load as most such loads are designed to get maximum penetration out of handguns. In rifles you will get less penetration with more expansion.
The 38 lead load, most factory loads use to hard an alloy. I cast my own out of nearly pure lead just a touch of tin to get good fill out in the mold and get expansion similar to the rifle out of a 4 in barrel. Out of a rifle I cut ccow 50/50 with pure lead. This gets good expansion with good penetration. Good for short range, 75 yards or so on deer. For longer ranges I load the same bullet in 357 brass for around 1800 fps. Good to about 150 yds.
Nice
that Remington 38 special with a CAN on the end of that henry would be a good quiet combo
Yeah it would. It was super quiet even unsuppressed.
Truly enjoy your videos!
Appreciate that!😎👊
next do separate for each... I use the 357 Bronze for both my Henry big boy and GP100 6 inch
Thought that 44 would have penetrated more for Deer hunting I use the 240 grain Truncated soft points they Work Great for that, Good Test, Keep'em Coming Tool's👍
Nice. Thank you sir.