LEVER GUN Shootout!....357 Magnum vs .44 Magnum!
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2023
- Testing some Hornady Lever Evolution ammo in .44 mag and .357 mag! Great hunting options but could they be good for self-defense? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using Henry lever action rifles!
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This was a funny one! The disbelief in the chrono readings, the 1776, and some really great performance. Awesome test!
4:38 in case anyone's looking
Thank you sir. It was definitely fun.😎👊
And the 1812 average too-- USA!!
@@drewmunny Holy crap! I was so distracted by the 1776, I didn't even realize that!😲😲
Chrono and t shirt then the music. Funny as 😂
Yeah, those box velocities were from a handgun length barrel. But being designed and marketed for a lever gun, you would think they would list the rifle velocities🤔🤔
Yeah, I think that's what threw me.😆
Handgun hunter . For those 4”😂 not 8”
I wonder if it was tested in a 16 inch barrel over a 20
Outstanding presentation and analysis. I laughed out loud at the 1776 FPS freeze.
😂 Thank you sir.😎👊
A true Patriot.
God bless America.
That was a nice touch…
I think Henry and Hornady owe you some commissions b/c you just sold me on that 44. Holy smokes. That was an awesome test and thanks for the extra verifications.
Feel free to bring those 2 rifles back and shoot some of those failed JHPs in those calibers. They might prove themselves a bargain out of a 20" barrel. But you really can't do much better than these 2 rounds today.
Edit: I just searched and found Hornady makes 140gn and 160 Lever Revolution ammo for my 30-30. So no new rifle needed. It has the flex tip and improves its effective range significantly. So thanks for promoting me to research these. Gonna get a couple boxes of the 160s.
My dad's got a .357 Henry. I'll happily get him a few boxes of that for sure. Good stuff!
I need to look and see if I have it in 30-30 myself.😎👍
The 30-30 ammo's good stuff just a bit expensive. I load my own with the leverevolution powder. It's good stuff and it seems like the ways it burns works well in long barrels. I use standard soft point or hollow point Boat tail .308 bullets because I mostly shoot a 30-30 bolt action.
the 30 30 is the one round they make that makes any sense to me, the higher B.C they claim actually is true for the 30 30 whereas you can get more or less equal B.C regular lead 240 and 220 grainers fairly easily.
I live in michigan, I used my dad's old .44 marlin hunting and haven't brought another rifle hunting since. It does the job WELL!
I personally prefer the cloth! Rare to see naked intruders! 😂 Thanks for doing what you do!
Summer time in Phoenix...I agree however
Thank you sir.😎👍
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You just don't noŵ days
The energy dump from both is something else!
Yes indeed.
A test like this would be good if you could use a piece of deer hide that is moist enough to simulate live conditions. We used the 44 mag on deer with excellent results. My daughter hit one at 120 yards. Baseball entry and softball size exit
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Always love a good levergun! Edit to add: I think keeping the cloth with rifle rounds is good! I don't usually see clothing represented in rifle round tests from the manufacturer's videos.
Agreed it also mimics hide and fur.
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Going to +1 this. The barrier you consistently use @ToolsandTargets is great for actual REAL world comparison.
Paul Harrell uses a new and improved fleece stop.
I like actually seeing everything through the heavy clothing test. It’s more real world results.
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Excellent test. Those loads are great for hunting. Lever .357 and 44 mag rifles really take those cartridges up a level.
Thank you sir.
Thanks
Gotta love some lever guns.😎👍
I really appreciate the added cloth in your test. It's more of a real world type test. Great job. Thanks!
Thank you sir.
I think Federal has a new 357 round for a lever action. Its called Hammer Down and It's a 170 grain bullet. It would be interesting to see if it could beat the Hornaday Lever Action. Thanks for all the hard work you put in these videos. One more thing keep the cloth on the block
I actually have some .44 Mag Hammerdown. I'd like to get some .357 to test em both again.😎👍
We have some Hammer Downs locally. They use a 180 gr Swift A Frame bullet and cost almost $3/round 🤐
@@1madmaxx80 Hey Man, one shot and Job done.🤷♂️😉👍 3💵not bad
@@454FatJacksame with this leverevolution, but it's half that price.
Amazing performance for these Hornady's out of the Henry levers. Thanks for your extra effort to validate your findings T&T !
Yessir
You have the best ammo reviews on UA-cam. I appreciate all the content, it helps guys like me choose what caliber firearms to purchase.
Awesome test! Appreciate the lever action Henry's. Love the long gun test
Thank you sir.😎👊
The Magnum pistol cartridges are generally loaded with powder that was designed for rifles using a pistol sized cartridge. The 30 Carbine, 38-40 and 44-40 are some examples. So, when you put them in a rifle, you get good performance like your test shows. The lighter Magnum bullet loads also pick up a lot of velocity.
Another great video!
Thank you sir.
I love your videos, man. You're fun to watch and very informative. Keep 'em coming!
Appreciate that.😎👍
Impressive testing. Thanks for all you do for us! Information for Informed Decisions!!!
Good performance from both rounds. They both spit the red plastic tip really quick. Thanks for the video.
Yessir. Excellent performance from these.
The manufacturer might have been trying to hit those advertised velocities out of a typical hunting revolver where you’d still see a sizable fireball. If that fireball was dissipated in a longer barrel it might have been able to generate the extra velocity you’re seeing. Just a guess on my part. Great video.
Sounds about right. Thank you sir.
They did use a 7.5 in barrel
Those Henry lever guns are great. I have the 357 myself. And any caliber in the Hornady Lever Evolution have proven to be top shelf rounds for me. Nice video.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Awesome video!! My friend! I’ve been wanting to see this test with these rifles!!!!!!
Thanks!
Appreciate that, brother!😎👊
I like the clothing barrier for the rifle rounds. Like you mentioned in the last video it sort of represents the hide that would be on an animal. I would have been surprised at the chrono readings also. One would think the listed speeds would be from a longer barrel for reasons as you stated. I have a Marlin 357 lever action and really like it. I wouldn't mind a 44 magnum to go with it.
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Great video, I love level actions, but there so expensive anymore. I used to have 5 different Marlins from my favorite .35 Remington, 30-30 and 45-70. I even had a Winchester Buffalo Bill commemorative with medallion in the stock, and octagon barrel. All sold when I got sick, and hobbled up. Another great video.
My dad taken deer with 45-70 we actually recovered one of the bullets this year. I got one rd of them left old box of 35rem my wife uncle had when got his 35rem when he passed. He had one of those 3030 Buffalo Bill rifles went up for auction 😮. Keep 760 rem in 3006 theo.
Thank you sir. Hopefully I can keep mine around long enough for someone to fight over when I'm six feet under.😆
Great TEST!
Thanks
Thank you sir.
Thanks. Nice test, impressive results.
Thank you sir.
Good lord!! That was fantastic! Either one of those would be devastating on 2 or 4 legged animals. The 20” barrels seem like a magic combination. Awesome test good sir 👍🇺🇸
Thank you, my friend!
Those high readings are actual velocity. The barrel is actually driving these rounds to impressive speeds. I was shocked when I did my tests. Impressive performance.
Definitely
Hand gun ammo is usually tested thru 4"barrels. The 20" barrel allows pressure to build up resulting in the higher velocity you got.
Been waiting for this one! Thanks Tools!
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WoW!!! What a fantastic jelly test. That is pure confidence in a rifle ammo combination. Wonder what the 30-30 Lever Evolution would do? Great test as usual, really appriciate what you do to educate us all in real world ammo performance.
I can promise you those 160 grain lever revolution 30-30 out of my model 94 knocks deer down. Nasty exit!
Thank you sir. Need to see if I have these in 30-30.😎👍
The leverevolution,,30/30,,has made my old marlin and honest 200 yrd gun
Love the case hardened look! Great performance from both of them 🤠
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Ty
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I use the LEVERevolution in my Marlin 44 Mag for deer hunting in Oklahoma. Hornady also has 250 g in 45-70 that I use in my Malin Guide gun. Both flex tipped rounds run great out of my lever guns. Thanks for the verification of my experience.
Great ammo for sure.😎👍
That was an amazing test!! I can’t believe the results you got with the lever guns and that ammo. Would like to see the results with the same ammo in revolvers and see what type of results in the bullets into the gel and see if the results would be close. Keep up the great videos!
Definitely gotta run em through some revolvers on a test.😎👍
I think keeping the clothing barrier is a good idea. I think it's a good way to help test under more real world conditions. It's a better safe than sorry kinda situation i believe. Both of those rounds performed very well. Awesome video as always, brother.
Thank you sir. 😎👍
Nice video thanks for all you do. I enjoy watching and learning
Appreciate that!😎👊
I like the cloth test personally. I haven’t really seen many ballistic reviews with a cloth barrier. I think it’s a great idea to show how the rounds will react after going through clothing. 👍
1776 is a great number, getting nearly 1000fpe from a 357 even out of a rifle really surprised me, highly impressed by both and may even try using those 44’s for next deer season (or remmington green and white box 180grain jsp). Also I prefer cloth with all tests regardless of firearm, caliber, or weather. I’m good either way just keep ur consistent. Great video
Thank you sir. Good stuff.😎👍
A friend of mine used the same 357s last yr and took 2 deer with his marlin , both passed through and deer dropped very quickly
Awesome testing. If I still hunted, I would be okay with using either one. But that .44 Mag... 💥💥
Good stuff for sure.
One of my most favorite rifles is an older Rossi 92 Trapper (16-inch barrel) with Fire Sights in .357 Mag. Several years ago sitting in a bush blind and shooting off a monopod shooting stick I dropped an 8-Point buck at around 90 yards with a single shot to the chest. The deer went straight down, slightly raised its head three times and that was it. I was using 180 Grain Federal Power-Shoks JHP. Molly is that little trapper's name and would be one of the very last rifles I would get rid of.
Nice. 💥🦌💥
That was great. Awesome test and awesome results. Nice work.
Thank you sir.😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets your welcome.👍👍👍
That's weird because I saw these tested in handguns before and the expansion and overall performance was suboptimal. Now it seems like they are designed to work well from a handgun and even better from a long gun. Those velocities surprised me for sure. I do keep a box of these in .44 mag and .45 Colt just in case the lever guns come out for hunting. Very interesting video that makes me feel better about my choice.
They definitely were impressive here.😎👍
I use some Remington .357 125g SJHP for hunting. In my 6 inch revolver they are running 1350 fps and in my Henry X 16 inch bbl they are screaming at 2150 fps. I run the same chrono you have.
That is ammo is 80s vintage that I got from a retired border patrol agent for free.
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Olide but goodie!😎👊
I have a lever action Rossi .44, with a 20” octagonal barrel. In clocking various rounds, I determined right away, that even LeverEvolution rounds are velocity rated on the box from pistol length barrels. For instance, Remington 180-grain Jacketed soft points are rated at 1600fps, but they clock at almost 2200 FPS out of the 20” barrel.
It would be interesting to see the velocity from 24” barrels.
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Thank you for the lever testing, shows good performance.
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😅 👍 for the 1776 music interlude.
Even the chrono knows!💥😎👊💥
Great test Tools ! both those will definitely do the job ! 44 is devastating , running about the same numbers as 3030 .
Thank you sir. I think It's a very cool round.😎👊
Excellent video as usual! I might have to "retire" my trusty old Winchester '94 in .30-30 for a Rossi R92 in .44 Magnum or .45/.454 as my truck gun and stoke it with Hornady Lever Evolution. Yeah, I did notice you utilized Henry rifles in your video, but I'm not a Henry fan when it comes to knock about truck and ATV guns. Your tests really caught my attention because of the velocities and bullet expansion as I was just about convinced that all currently available commercial handgun caliber ammo was getting puny and headed down a rutted, dirt goat path from there. Keep up the great work!
Thank you sir. Definitely some good stuff here.😎👍
.357 magnum fan for years, GP100 fixed sight revolver, 77/357 bolt rifle and Desert eagle .357 magnum... all of them work fantastic with Federal 158 gr JSP and so easy to reload. Now the 125 grain will stop almost anything especially in a HP. you can get bigger and heavier firearms but a .357 in a 125 grain in a close combat situation will blow your ears out and stop the threat.
I expected that out of the 44 But the 357 is Very impressive good job brother
Thank you sir.
Keep the barrier for rifle, almost like deer hide !! LOL
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Fantastic !!!!!!
Thank You for another great video Tools.
Thank you sir.
Very impressive!
Very impressive. Packs quite a punch. Keep the kloth. Saw that Henry has a 357 revolver now. 👍🇺🇸👊
I saw that too. Not sure how I feel about them. Definitely wanna see one in person.😎👊
This is a very interesting test. I really enjoyed it. Would like to see the same test in .45 colt. Again thanks for a excellent test.
Thank you sir.
Thank you Tools !!!
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Thanks for the ammo test Brother! Keep up the great work. Love your hat!!!
Thank you sir.😎👊
This was a fun one! Looks like Hornady came up with a winner winner chicken dinner! I hope they don’t change a thing with these rounds.
Great stuff.
Now this was a really interesting test Tools. Massive energy, massive expansion and penetration off the chart. I might be worried about the over penetration. But if you're fighting off a home invasion I doubt your worried about a good guys being behind the nasty one(s). Going to have to try and find some of that 357 stuff for my Henry.
Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.
Definitely impressive stuff.😎👍
Wow! Brother you talk about devastating action you found it today Tools! Enjoyed it.Very much!
Thank you sir.😎👊
Good looking test. Hard for me to switch from the XTP FP I handload for my carbine. But if I had to buy factory, Id give these a shot.
One test I would LOVE to see is 38 & 44 special rounds out of the carbine. Low recoil & report. Great for us weaker folk in the HD setting!
I know that the Underwood & Buffalo Bore 158gr SWCHP +p loads that are a bear to handle in a snubby, are a teddy bear in my carbine and give me a supersonic crack as well.
I can probably come up with something.😎👍
Man that's hella impressive. I'm assuming they probably used a '6' test barrel for the box velocities. Oh, and definitely keep the clothing barrier for the rifle tests as for a matter of consistency 👍
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Wow, makes you think a 357 levergun is still a viable tool 🤔 lol. That Henry seems like a sweet rifle.
These 20" barrels really wake em up.
someone was complaining about someone using .357 lever gun on hogs while themselves using 7.62x39 which is almost the same energy with a much smaller projectile that doesnt have a lead tip on it to expand esaily which I found funny.
ARs to lever guns with even time to shift gears! Love the change ups!
Thank you sir. If there's one thing my little collection has, it's variety.😎👍
When I chronographed some 357 and 44 in lever rifles(20 inch Stainless Rossi 92s) I didn't get great velocity, 1350s, from the Fiocchi 44 mag 240 SPs, but got 1787 from American Eagle 158gr SP in 357. I did not get to test them in my handguns, but will at some point, so would assume the Fiocchi are fairly mild from a handgun.
Even at 1350 those 240 soft points dropped a 200 pound hog DRT at 60 yards.
The lever rifles are nice and light, compact, and recoil is minimal, so walking the woods with one is comfortable. I have scout scopes on them and they are good to about 125 before you need to do serious holdover.
They really are a lot of fun to shoot.
NOT for bears....My buddy shot a 300lb black bear in calibre 444 Marlin , Hornady Leverution, it does NOT have enough penetration for bear... great for deer
Those loads out of a carbine have more than enough power and penetration for bear inside 100 yards ..
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Hornady used a 7.5 in barrel for velocity. While the line of ammo is targeted for lever’s, the projectile design helps with down range performance in all barrel lengths
My favorite video yet tools. The 1776 part had me rolling. If I ever see these rounds I will most certainly pick them up for my 357 Rossi lever action. Awesome round and video
Thank you sir.😎👊
Another good ammo test with some beautiful lever guns. Thanks for the video.
Thank you sir.😎👍
Great test. Love those Henry's Rifles!
Thank you sir.
I think the cloth is great and realistic.
Over this video, great stuff and wow those 20 inchers push them out there
I have one of each lever action rifle; one a .357 mag., and the other a .44 mag. Your video has me excited about trying either next deer season!
Loved the 1776 part. Funny when the velocity matches your shirt!
Thank you sir.😎👊 They should do the trick.
.44 mag a very effective whitetail round. 240 xtp has worked well for me and my buds
This is common with both calibers. Exceptional carbine cartridges. This is covered by several other videos on YT. You will also see the 10mm "over perform" in a carbine. Great vid.
Excellent video and information about these rounds!👍Very impressive ammunition for these weapons! Great job sir!👍👍
We've discussed this before. I haven't used factory centerfire loads in over four decades. I cast and load my own. Using a 20" 357Mag levergun, and the old Thompson 150gr Cast SWCGCHP, and a healthy dose of AA#7 in a 357 case, I regularly exceed 1650fps. Obliterates hogs of any size.
In a 45 Colt Henry Big Boy, and a cast 255gr SWC Keith bullet and a warm load of Unique or Universal powder, 1045fps to 1100fps is easily done. And it hits like a panzer doing 80 mph!
Pistol cartridge leverguns are serious about getting the job done in my neck of the woods.😬
Thank you sir.😎👍
I love these in 45/70 as well. Took a deer with them and the 44 mag it sure does the job well. I’d keep the heavy clothing on the gel.
The 45-70 in these are absolute monsters from my BFR.
Please add the lever gun tests to your .357 and 44 mag ammo tests. With as popular as those Henry rifles have become I think it would be a hit! I’ll watch em all a few times:)
Fantastic rounds
Mhmm
Love the 1776 velocity and music. I’m sure speeds are correct, most 125 grn 357’s are over 2000 fps out of a 20 inch rifle. Cool test, thanks for the video Tools!
Thank you sir.😎👊
Because of this video I just purchased a lever action in .44mag. Thank you sir.
Do you like your 44 lever action?
Yes sir. Excellent results for hunting and farm or camp defense. But home defense wouldn't be out of the question. We get 1850s out of 20" barrels with our near max handloads of H110 and 240 XTPs. Thank you sir.
I'd sling em at a badguy bumpin in the night.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets Reckon so! Do a good bit of damage. 44 is quite effective on whitetail inside 125 yards for. Many, many 1 shot stops from 44s in our family.
I found this ammo test interesting, I've used the 44 mag in my Ruger super Blackhawk hunter to take a deer last year, this year I'll be using this ammo out of my Marlin 1894 rifle, I'm looking to get some of the 357 ammo to use to deer hunt with my Marlin 1894csbl. I would like to see the new hammer down in both calibers tested as well to see how they compare to the Hornady rounds.
Please keep the clothing simulation on the jelly test, its more meaningful, imo! Thanks for all the great testing!
Hornady’s website says the .44 Leverevolution is tested out of a 7.5” barrel and the .357 out of an 8” barrel.
I haven’t looked at a box of either ammo in person, but usually it says on most boxes what the barrel length the listed performance was tested in too.
Nothing listed on the box. Strange name choice for ammo that they test out of handguns.🤷♂️
And in checking, Hornady used a, 8" Vented test barrel for the 1440 FPS rating. Like everyone has an 8" .347 Magnum revolver. Basically what you've got is a compromise where velocity will be lower from a 6" revolver, and a good bit slower from a 4" revolver. Revolvers people are more likely to have, and if they don't handload, they probably don't know what to expect from an 18 1/2" barrel.
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Cool video thanks.
Thank you sir.
I love this video! When the 1776 showed up and the star spangled banner played I rolled Bro. This is definitely in my top 10! Great job T!
Thank you sir. I figured someone would get a kick outta that.😎👊
I use the same Chrono as you do, with the Henry Big Boy X - 17.4" barrel I see 1790fps with Buffalo Bore Hard Cast 180gr, 1750fps with 158gr Remington SJHP and over 2000fps with Remington 125gr SJHP (these make a mess with watermelons😁). Like you I had to do a double take, but it seems to hold up looking at what others are getting. The magnums really step it up in a longer barrel, case capacity matters in this case.
Yeah, the longer barrels really wake these rounds up.
Gotta like the levergun ! Especially that you can shoot 2 calibers out of those ! Great performance from both rounds. I like you using the clothing barrier with rifle test. Thanks for info.
Too much fun.😎👍
225g flying at 1800fps.....SICK! Hornady ain't scared to put powder in these. I need some of these for my 629 Classic and ding some steel at 200yds. Great test!! I'd keep the cloth material, it really shows what a hunting/defense designed round can or cannot do.
Thank you sir. 😎👍
Great test, nice performance. It has to be a handgun for the box velocities.
Thank you sir. Apparently it is.
Those rounds would be great for hunting or defense. Its always great when rounds do better than the box says, thanks for sharing
Absolutely
I run the 44 Mag Leverevolution in my 17" Henry Big Boy X for deer season and that is a devastating combo inside of 150 yards.
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Have the Henry in 357, no side gate when I got it, now they do, six months too soon. Next purchase is that one in 44 WITH a side gate, love it.
They are some fun rifles for sure.
Great video, just what I was after. The box velocities are based on a 7.5" barrel for the 44 and 8" for the 357 per the Hornady website. Last season I shot a doe at 80 yards with the 44 mag Leverevolution from my Henry. Deer ran about 30 feet and dropped. The round devastated the shoulder it hit. The FTX bullets are great stuff. I use the FTX 44 Special Critical Defense on foxes and coyotes. They don't over penetrate and result in a quick kill. However, range is limited with the Specials as they drop. The 44 mags run pretty flat out past 100 yards.
One other item - Hornady customer support advised me to not use the XTP bullets out of a rifle as they may come apart due to the long barrel's higher velocity. I was advised that the FTX are fine out of a long gun, as evidenced by the fact that the FTX is used in the Leverevolution rounds.
Nice test. I have hunted with the 44 mag with great results.
Michael Herrell
Some great performance tools
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Great performance. Deer wouldn't stand a chance.
Just in case you didn't know this, you can only use Lever Revolution brass with Hornady ftx bullets. Keep that in mind if you are reloading. The brass is shorter than normal.
The box velocity is for a specific handgun barrel. This is gennerally 4''-8'' long. 357 mag & 44 mg benefit from the carbine barrels. The numbers you are getting re correct.
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