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This is misleading Bull shit that these are bear loads, yeah like black bear could be used on but Alaskan Coastal brown bears or Alaskan interior Grizzly someone would be a moron looking for get killed using any handgun or 44 to 45 cal pistol ammo on large & Dangerous bears. One of my clients killed an 8-foot interior Grizzly in 2005 then had with him a 44 mag handgun and Federal lead bullets with the writing in the box was BEAR LOAD, well we want to test that so called 44 mag Bear load on a bear so the client shot the bear carcass 5 times & 50 feet then we dug what was left of the lead bullets from the bear. Not one 44 mag lead bullet made it past the 8 to 10 inches of fat covering the body and some just pancaked on the ribs and others blow up into lead chunks! So, to make sure no one comes back then talk crap to me I can prove my guiding experiences through my AK guide photos I have on my Instagram account @ dwayneb1959 so to some ignorant smart asses don't even try talking BS to me where I've been there and done that! I even can come up with the photo of this interior Grizzly before skinning it with me holding up the bear's head.
We use to buy these 500-1000 bulk back in the day and loaded them all types of levels. They were good bullets for accuracy. Lotsa plinking. We did load these with a moderate load for youth deer hunting in a 44 rifle. Low recoil and very effective harvest under 50 yards for a couple deer. Your results look really good to me for deer, hogs, black bear.
I am absolutely thrilled you did this video for the .44 Rem Mag. The higher velocities shows the bullets hold up quite well. I use the Sierra Sportman 240 grain JHP for reloading my .444 Marlin. The Sierra bullet while basically a pistol bullet appears to be tough enough to handle the higher velocities of the trip4. At least Sierra says their bullet is tougher than just a pistol bullet. I've not hunted with the Sierra loads in the .444 with a muzzle velocity of 2200 fps+, but have no doubt it would hold up on deer, hogs and bears. Bigger game such as elk and moose would require a heavier 265 grain bullet. However, the only 265 grain bullet I can find is the Hornady FTX that is loaded in their Leverevolution factory loads. The FTX bullets will not load in standard .444 brass. The ogive is forward towards the tip of the bullet requiring a shorter case so the round can chamber. Plus, I am not a fan of the Hornady FTX bullet. Your own tests showed how the bullet just doesn't hold up. There is too much case separation. Now, if Winchester would make the same load in a longer .444 Marlin case that would be just dandy. I do not care for the Remington .444 FN loading. Plus, at over $65+ for a box of 20, I'll keep reloading for my satisfaction. Thank you.
@@masonleather_outdoors. It should be. Its a great round. I think ppl are afraid of it since its a big bore straight wall. Im here to say it feels like a 12 guage when you shoot it. Recoil isn't bad at all!!!
If you havent done so already, i feel like no 44 mag carbine test is complete without the hornady loads. Both 225gr leverevolution, and especially the 240gr xtp. It was considered the go-to load before the latest craze from the straight-wall states.
I'm still using win white box and magtech 240gr soft points for hunting. Its half the price or better and I'm pretty sure it's the product. Thks Mason. BTW my bullets on deer leave two gushing firehoses in deer. The buck I shot last year at a 100yds had gushers out both sides as he ran. Had a 4" hole on the exit side. Incredible performance out of my rem 788. .7MOA.
@@robertotto5811 MOA is no problem. I use Winchester white box for range and hunting. I could certainly do better with a premium load but why bother. It pounds deer and bear. Not sure of the twist but any 240gr is very accurate.
@@mogulrider yes, I love that Winchester white box load too. I keep tinkering with other bullets and powders. But I keep coming back to that 240 jsp. Nothing beats it on game. It shoots as well as anything I've tried in my carbines.
Those had more penetration than my 444 marlin. 240gr corelokt were stuck under far hide on spike elk at 70yds. Big mushroom with curved wound path. Havn't hit one yet with Hornady's new 265gr load
Lots more coming 👍🏼 I use the 240gr XTP’s in my muzzleloader, roughly approximating what they’d do out of a 44 Mag rifle, a little weaker actually (it shoots best with 80 grains of Blackhorn 209 so not a full power charge), they run about 1,650 fps, got two deer back in January with them, did great 👍🏼
For the results given unless your gun absolutely hates them I don’t see the price to performance increase being worth it over Winchester white box 240 jsp.
How does that ammo compare to Winchester white box 240 gr semi jacketed soft points? Found your other video. This is 1775 fps average. 33" penetration and 97% weight retention.
I've actually chrono'd this stuff and compared it to the regular traditional Winchester White Box 240gr JSP and that stuff you got there hits harder than the regular white box but recoiled softer than the white box in my testing but this is out of a 4.25in S&W Model 69. I don't know how that it could, probably a powder difference but I love it. Average velocity out of my model 69 was 1308 FPS giving you 911 energy foot pounds of energy. In contrast the white box came out at 1244 FPS with 824 energy foot pounds.
1.4x expansion seemed underwhelming until I remembered that a .429" bullet at 1.4x is still .6" which is 2x expansion of a 30 cal bullet. Thats more than enough expansion. Too much causes bullets to lose penetration.
I bought two boxes of this stuff in 357 magnum last month for my Ruger GP100 6" stainless & I don't think 357 magnum is adequate for bear protection but I bought them anyway. I was getting higher than advertised velocity for deer hunting I think it would work.
That’s pretty awesome 👏 to see the difference between handgun box 📦 velocity and the velocity out of a rifle or carbine. I bought 44 mag dies for half price at Walmart years ago hoping to get a 44 mag eventually. Sadly that hasn’t happened yet. I would love a lever gun especially since I recently moved to Ohio where I need a straight wall cartridge. I’m waiting for Henry to come out with an All Weather model in 360 Buckhammer. In the meantime I’m tempted to get a 44 Mag from say G Force or Rossi.
I really appreciate all of your ballistics data! I mainly hunt with a 44 mag carbine, and I find this extremely informative. I shot a buck with this round last year, and the recovered bullet had very similar results. Recently, ive switched to Hornady Xtp 300 grain due to a great increase in accuracy. It seems like my Henry 20" really likes the longer 300 grain bullet. Would you, by chance, be doing a test on the Hornady 300 grain option in the future? Thanks again for all your work!
Glad to be of service and thanks for your support! Please share this video, it’s a big help! And visit my website www.masonleather.com, I’d be honored to make you something and it helps me keep these videos coming for you! I will be doing a lot more 44 mag tests as soon as I can get to them
How do the different loads feed through your ruger mags? I’ve heard 270gr is about the limit for the ruger mags before the bullet starts contacting the feed ramp on the mag causing feeding/loading issues and that they don’t like wad cutters. I also hope if you ever get a chance to compare general accuracy between the top loads in each caliber you’ve been testing. It would be interesting to see how they compare relative to each other.
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This is misleading Bull shit that these are bear loads, yeah like black bear could be used on but Alaskan Coastal brown bears or Alaskan interior Grizzly someone would be a moron looking for get killed using any handgun or 44 to 45 cal pistol ammo on large & Dangerous bears.
One of my clients killed an 8-foot interior Grizzly in 2005 then had with him a 44 mag handgun and Federal lead bullets with the writing in the box was BEAR LOAD, well we want to test that so called 44 mag Bear load on a bear so the client shot the bear carcass 5 times & 50 feet then we dug what was left of the lead bullets from the bear.
Not one 44 mag lead bullet made it past the 8 to 10 inches of fat covering the body and some just pancaked on the ribs and others blow up into lead chunks!
So, to make sure no one comes back then talk crap to me I can prove my guiding experiences through my AK guide photos I have on my Instagram account @ dwayneb1959 so to some ignorant smart asses don't even try talking BS to me where I've been there and done that!
I even can come up with the photo of this interior Grizzly before skinning it with me holding up the bear's head.
We use to buy these 500-1000 bulk back in the day and loaded them all types of levels. They were good bullets for accuracy. Lotsa plinking. We did load these with a moderate load for youth deer hunting in a 44 rifle. Low recoil and very effective harvest under 50 yards for a couple deer. Your results look really good to me for deer, hogs, black bear.
Awesome
Are either of those two made in 357?@@masonleather_outdoors
My Ruger carbine looks like yours except mine is semi auto. I didn’t know that they made it with a lever action.
Thank You ...
Before anyone flips their sh1t, the barrel is 18.5” not 18”
Lol! Gets tiresome sometimes don't it? 🤣👍👍
That Ruger is awesome man. I’ve never seen the lever action in person. Only the semi auto.
Your presentation is excellent.
I am absolutely thrilled you did this video for the .44 Rem Mag. The higher velocities shows the bullets hold up quite well. I use the Sierra Sportman 240 grain JHP for reloading my .444 Marlin. The Sierra bullet while basically a pistol bullet appears to be tough enough to handle the higher velocities of the trip4. At least Sierra says their bullet is tougher than just a pistol bullet. I've not hunted with the Sierra loads in the .444 with a muzzle velocity of 2200 fps+, but have no doubt it would hold up on deer, hogs and bears. Bigger game such as elk and moose would require a heavier 265 grain bullet. However, the only 265 grain bullet I can find is the Hornady FTX that is loaded in their Leverevolution factory loads. The FTX bullets will not load in standard .444 brass. The ogive is forward towards the tip of the bullet requiring a shorter case so the round can chamber. Plus, I am not a fan of the Hornady FTX bullet. Your own tests showed how the bullet just doesn't hold up. There is too much case separation. Now, if Winchester would make the same load in a longer .444 Marlin case that would be just dandy. I do not care for the Remington .444 FN loading. Plus, at over $65+ for a box of 20, I'll keep reloading for my satisfaction. Thank you.
Glad to be of service! I wish the 444 were more popular
@@masonleather_outdoors. It should be. Its a great round. I think ppl are afraid of it since its a big bore straight wall. Im here to say it feels like a 12 guage when you shoot it. Recoil isn't bad at all!!!
Mason leather. I forgot my henry bigboy has a 20" octagon barrel. I love it
If you havent done so already, i feel like no 44 mag carbine test is complete without the hornady loads. Both 225gr leverevolution, and especially the 240gr xtp. It was considered the go-to load before the latest craze from the straight-wall states.
From his instagram stories i believe he has it.
Lots coming
I'm still using win white box and magtech 240gr soft points for hunting. Its half the price or better and I'm pretty sure it's the product. Thks Mason.
BTW my bullets on deer leave two gushing firehoses in deer. The buck I shot last year at a 100yds had gushers out both sides as he ran. Had a 4" hole on the exit side. Incredible performance out of my rem 788. .7MOA.
I like the 240gr White Box load
I've been interested in the 788 in .44 for a while. That's a tough one to find. I always wondered about the accuracy and twist rate.
@@robertotto5811 MOA is no problem.
I use Winchester white box for range and hunting. I could certainly do better with a premium load but why bother. It pounds deer and bear. Not sure of the twist but any 240gr is very accurate.
@@mogulrider yes, I love that Winchester white box load too. I keep tinkering with other bullets and powders. But I keep coming back to that 240 jsp. Nothing beats it on game. It shoots as well as anything I've tried in my carbines.
@@robertotto5811 yup, it's a real pounder on deer.
Shock shakes the gel, but momentum flips those blocks.
That federal hammer down stuff has some serious competition now
Good to have a variety
Those had more penetration than my 444 marlin. 240gr corelokt were stuck under far hide on spike elk at 70yds. Big mushroom with curved wound path. Havn't hit one yet with Hornady's new 265gr load
Keep in mind penetration in two different mediums isn’t comparable
Loving the 44mag rifle tests. Hoping to see some 240grain xtp tests! I know the deer around here don't like em 😂
Lots more coming 👍🏼 I use the 240gr XTP’s in my muzzleloader, roughly approximating what they’d do out of a 44 Mag rifle, a little weaker actually (it shoots best with 80 grains of Blackhorn 209 so not a full power charge), they run about 1,650 fps, got two deer back in January with them, did great 👍🏼
I just really love that carbine rifle of yours. Ruger should keep more of their older models in production. Great video man, thanks 👍
Considering this is basically a handgun load, handloading could give that impressive performance quite a bump.
Perhaps
Thank you for the video. I wonder how these would perform out of a 7.5” revolver?
Glad to be of service!
Can you do the 44 mag leverevolutions
For the results given unless your gun absolutely hates them I don’t see the price to performance increase being worth it over Winchester white box 240 jsp.
How does that ammo compare to Winchester white box 240 gr semi jacketed soft points?
Found your other video. This is 1775 fps average. 33" penetration and 97% weight retention.
I would rather have hard cast or solid copper for big bear
👍😊 depends on the price.
Indeed
Another great video, I really enjoy the way you do your videos, thanks
Thank you very much!
I've actually chrono'd this stuff and compared it to the regular traditional Winchester White Box 240gr JSP and that stuff you got there hits harder than the regular white box but recoiled softer than the white box in my testing but this is out of a 4.25in S&W Model 69. I don't know how that it could, probably a powder difference but I love it.
Average velocity out of my model 69 was 1308 FPS giving you 911 energy foot pounds of energy. In contrast the white box came out at 1244 FPS with 824 energy foot pounds.
1.4x expansion seemed underwhelming until I remembered that a .429" bullet at 1.4x is still .6" which is 2x expansion of a 30 cal bullet. Thats more than enough expansion. Too much causes bullets to lose penetration.
Absolutely
I bought two boxes of this stuff in 357 magnum last month for my Ruger GP100 6" stainless & I don't think 357 magnum is adequate for bear protection but I bought them anyway. I was getting higher than advertised velocity for deer hunting I think it would work.
That’s pretty awesome 👏 to see the difference between handgun box 📦 velocity and the velocity out of a rifle or carbine.
I bought 44 mag dies for half price at Walmart years ago hoping to get a 44 mag eventually. Sadly that hasn’t happened yet. I would love a lever gun especially since I recently moved to Ohio where I need a straight wall cartridge.
I’m waiting for Henry to come out with an All Weather model in 360 Buckhammer. In the meantime I’m tempted to get a 44 Mag from say G Force or Rossi.
This stuff apeared to do great from a rifle but typically won’t expand in a 4.25” recolver
Well that sucks
I’d really love to see the critical defense loading through a rifle. I’ve been very curious of the velocity difference, and how they perform in gel.
Lots more coming
I really appreciate all of your ballistics data! I mainly hunt with a 44 mag carbine, and I find this extremely informative. I shot a buck with this round last year, and the recovered bullet had very similar results. Recently, ive switched to Hornady Xtp 300 grain due to a great increase in accuracy. It seems like my Henry 20" really likes the longer 300 grain bullet.
Would you, by chance, be doing a test on the Hornady 300 grain option in the future?
Thanks again for all your work!
Glad to be of service and thanks for your support! Please share this video, it’s a big help! And visit my website www.masonleather.com, I’d be honored to make you something and it helps me keep these videos coming for you!
I will be doing a lot more 44 mag tests as soon as I can get to them
How do the different loads feed through your ruger mags? I’ve heard 270gr is about the limit for the ruger mags before the bullet starts contacting the feed ramp on the mag causing feeding/loading issues and that they don’t like wad cutters. I also hope if you ever get a chance to compare general accuracy between the top loads in each caliber you’ve been testing. It would be interesting to see how they compare relative to each other.
270 is the heaviest I’ve tried so far, no issues with anything thus far. I will be doing accuracy videos in the near future 👍🏼
if there's a picture of a bear on the box...........
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Just made some .44 Mag Oregon Trail 310gn hardcast WNFPGC, 17gn Accurate #9, SRH 7.5" WLP Primer 1255 fps. Functioned 👍
Sweet
Questions ….in barrel length, how much improvement/ decrease would 3/8” or 1/2 make.
Less than the deviation between two individual cartridges, it’s irrelevant for all practical purposes
@@masonleather_outdoors kinda figured that but wanted to ask since some seem to place such emphasis on being “exact “
That's for sure. "The experts" 🤣🤣👍
That's a nice lil riffle
I like it
Can you test Bearcreek ballistics 44mag 162gr?
That’s a sweet gun!
Any hornady XTP tests coming or the PMC TCSP?
Everything is coming
I’ll be looking for them.
Have you shot xpt and ftx hornady loads out of your Ruger?
Not yet, lots coming
I wonder if they make these for 45 cot and 45-70
45 Colt yes
Very interesting 🤔
Indeed
Nice gun!
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Sorry. Gotta say it again. "I'd use them" lol. Good stuff.👍👍
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Good rounds
Absolutely
Leupold is pronounced “Lew Pold” not Leopold. Please people, it’s not that hard…
Sorry but people around here (southern Ohio) say it the way he does
Who really cares
Need to make some leather shooting rest for your gun 😃
That would be cool
BIG BOREEE
Indeed
I'll stick with 240 grain white box