LUFFY VS USOPP?!! | One Piece Ep 235/236 Reaction & Discussion 👒
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the reason why usopp was fighting better than usual is because he had plenty of time to prepare for the fight and he also knows who he's up against. in other fights he just gets thrown in with no preparation and no idea what the enemy's weaknesses are.
and sure luffy was holding it back
@@belleville1805 he wasn’t going all out, but let’s just say he was putting in effort. He created a new move during this fight just for ussop. Gum-gum bullet
@@elfascisto6549I say created because it makes sense for the context of the fight. It would be disrespectful to send ussop flying with pistol so he thought up bullet.
Also he has no fear agains luffy. This is how he fights when he doesnt feel fear.
@@A.A24533 No actually, Luffy had already used gum-gum bullet a few times like with Don Krieg.
I love that Zoro gave luffy his back because didn't want see him cry
Oh that's good observation! You're right
i miss usopp
I hope he joins the straw hats back before the anime ends ❤
By far, the saddest departure 😢
Stop spoiling it
They aren't buying it guys lol
Till this moment they still think usopp is coming back lol. I just watched their 278 reaction so they know who sogeking is. They have hope 😂
the thing is Usopp is projecting, he got mad because how luffy easily give up on Merry because Merry cant help them no more , which is Usopp thinks that it would be him next to be left out or abandon because he really thinks that he didnt help the crew much adding the guilt of losing the money
He thinks Luffy gave up easily and he's oblivious to Luffy's painful decision.
@@jamesadvincola9687 Luffy delivered the news in such a carefree and lighthearted way at first that it's no surprise he ended up feeling like that, especially given his insecurities.
@@bluelight17 yeah, but Luffy was doing it to spare Usopp’s feelings. Usopp was 100 percent in the wrong.
@@jamesadvincola9687 which was the completely wrong approach. He is not only his captain but also a very close friend, he may not understand Usopp insecurities but he knows how important Merry was to him. Luffy himself reacted badly at first to the news but he could have his reaction, he didn't let Usopp have his own. It really came off as if it wasn't such a hard decision for Luffy. Usopp went way, way too far, but this moment also showed Luffy still had things to learn.
@@bcool9272 spoilers: I'm not saying that Usopp new all about Luffy's feelings but this fight shows that they understand each other pretty well and it's important that when they're in their way to Ennies Lobby Sogeking tells Robin to believe in Luffy, I don't think he would've say something like that if he considered Luffy as callous aka they know each other quite well and the main issue is Ussops own insecurities. (sorry for bad english)
Watching Luffy cry is very hard.
And it’s the first time he’s cried like that outside of his flashback with Shanks in episode 4 😢
@@lesten2707 And it was a serious cry!
I love how this series is so positive about allowing people to cry. It's not less manly to cry, it's not demeaning, it doesn't make someone less of a leader. It's not going to be pretty and there's going to be snot everywhere. It's okay to cry.
Merry as well..
It's very hard when Luffy Depressed and Broke so Much
This is one of the most important moments in OP. Water Seven is a turning point on the whole story and even the narrative. it’s when Luffy actually becomes a Captain, Zoro steps up and starts acting as a first mate and the Strawhats quit being a bunch of friends playing pirates and become a real crew.
Zoro ain't the first mate, he's the swordsman
@@elfascisto6549 Neither the Manga nor the Anime, officially set any hierarchy in the crew other than Luffy being the capitain, they are too chaotic and too small of a crew for that (there are outsiders that do refer to him as the F.M in future arcs tho). But he does act as the de facto First Mate. Can´t develop too much due to spoilers, but Zoro is the only one to make Luffy behave as a Capitain when he does not want to, that the job of the F.M. Also, Oda did not corrected the Live Action Script...
The thing between luffy and usopp are real happenings in life that happened to us. We all can relate to that and those bad memories still hurt up to this point. All we have to do is live with the moment and accept what had happened. Stay strong everyone!
The first time I watched this episode of the show, I'm in tears. Coz just like Usopp, I've been feeling disappointed with myself. Everything don't go my way. I can't keep up with life. That moment, this show broke my heart 😢 I asked myself, "What am I good at? What can I do? Should I carry on? Or just give up on life? I'm too weak.."
Oda knew how to attack us personally 😢
Rewatching this it's always impressive how Oda wrote Zoro to have absolute loyalty. When every crewmember went after Usopp, only Zoro remained behind until the captain says something, even though I'm certain he wanted to do the same deep down. ❤
Zoro is absolute badass .
That's not because of loyalty etc. That's zoro for us. Oth3rs get sway3d by emotions and move but he doesn't really make moves like that. Either usopp stays or not. Zoro just wants the outcome and do3snt do the emotional drama.
That doesn't have anything to do with loyalty, they are all loyal, the difference is just that the others are more openly emotional characters. Also Zoro has an image of how a captain should act and if Luffy didn't live up to it he made it clear he would leave. Which doesn't make him in no way not loyal, but i often see even Zoro fans think that he would do anything Luffy said no matter what.
@@bluelight17 yeah, zoro's loyalty to luffy isn't just a one-sided thing. It's a 2-way relationship. Zoro has standards and ideals that luffy meets and upholds, so zoro remains steadfast in his loyalty to luffy.
It probably helps that they share the same brain cell.
@@bluelight17 As a reader of manga, sbs and follows all oda's interviews, he stated Zoro is the most loyal as he would kill another strawhat if luffy asked him to. Im not a crazy zoro fan, just stating what Oda said. Have a nice day
That was so hard to watch, it's so rare to see Luffy cry, since he's always so bubbly and cheerful 😢
The thing i hate the most about this fight is when readers/watchers just hate on Usopp, and find no fault in how Luffy acted. And i also dislike how some Zoro fans (who should know their favorite character better) use this moment to say that he is the most loyal, disregarding the other members, when what they really mean with loyal is "he doesn't contest his captain decisions", when it's actually exactly what he does. They are all loyal, they just all act in their own way in different situations.
Zoro fans use the term "Loyalty" too loosely, they use it soo randomly even when the scene doesn't include Zoro and I'm like bruh...😅
And let me tell you Zoro isn't even the most loyal character in One Piece, it's Actually Luffy but they ain't ready for that conversation😊
@@Altario10 Zoro is one of my favorite characters pre time skip, but i can't at how often so called Zoro fans mischaracterize him. Not only in the way they use the word "loyalty" ,often randomly, but also the way they think he feels about the rest of the crew and how he would act in certain situations.
@@bluelight17 yeah I prefer pre timeskip Zoro a lot more than post timeskip Zoro. And yeah they are "Zoro" fans for a reason, obviously they don't know their own favourite character well, most Zoro fans only care about Zoro doing some cool stuff. Most of them don't understand character progression/developments or depths, motivations or how a character is written in general 😂
So it's pretty obvious that they don't know other Strawhats as well as their own favourite in terms of how the characters are written. And honestly I'm just so fed up with them, that I don't even try to entertain their comments 🗿
I agree. Even later on we see Zoro tell Luffy not to forgive Usopp so easily. He tells Luffy what not to do as opposed to listening to his orders.
From this point on it will be the longest Luffy goes on without laughing or even smiling…😭😭😭 goodbye Usopp…
I really don't have words to describe how much I cried when I watched this episode of Usopp fighting Luffy, I'm not even exaggerating, I really cried that much
235 remains my personal fav episode of the anime. This is when I realised just how special OP really is, it felt like my own family was breaking up
One of the best written friendly conflict I have ever read/watched. Usually friendly conflict is very convoluted. The build up to this and the psychology of all characters involved here is perfect.
Jason mentioning the art and cinematography was so good..in the Manga, the artstyle depicting this whole scene..how it affected the whole crew..gotta see those pages someday.
He decided to fight bc he was challenged in a duel and as a captain, he need to "stand his men" to gain and hold the respect of his crewmates
Luffy telling Usopp, that he decided to have a new ship..is something that was discussed in a vid by Dudes talking manga ft. Merphy...
He did it with a Forced smile, to not show it outright to Usopp that they lost the money and the chance to fix her (according to Usopp), he just simply desired for Usopp to not feel any burden..just look ahead, its hard to smile in this situation..but hey..Cheer up..
But Usopp doubled down, and even tripled down on it..
he did not recieved the Time to digest the news..like others got.
This situation was more like an Usopp personal problem, ever since Long Ring Long Land, where they said we need a Shipwright..and Usopp was like "I am here"..
He just joined along with the boat back at Syrup village..it was a defense mechanism for him to act like that, being the caretaker for the ship all this time..now its out, so before they all throw him away, he decided to move away...a very personal situation..insecurity.
He lost faith in his Captain...
but understood it later on via chatting with Franky, which you guys know...and told Robin "Have Faith in Luffy"
Oh such a great Callback Oda..reeled it all in.
Yes... in the body language ... it's what makes the next few scenes so much heavier
Isn't it just heartbreaking, we can't even fault anyone coz the emotions are so high 💔
Thanks for bringing us your reactions as always guys ❤❤
We always should fault Ussop for his unsecurity. That's the whole reason for this fight. There's a wrong side - Ussop and a right side - Luffy. It's clear cut.
@@bcool9272nah
@bcool9272 no, it's not. It's like blaming luffy for sabaody island 1. Usopps insecurities are part of him, like others have their own issues. But when it comes down to it, usopp is loyal. So u cannot blame his insecurities for this fallout.
Ussop it's wrong in the situation, even if we can see where he is coming from. He can't possibly think lives are worth less than the ship, if he thinks the merry would feel abandoned how did he think it could feel if they died at sea holding onto it? Ussop it's not right in the discussion even if he is right to feel useless and very hurt
@@Naewtls you are definitely missing the point
Sometimes Onepiece really hits you and makes you feel feelings 😅
I like how you two recap the heavy scene 🙂
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"All that for Going Merry?!" These words hurt my soul. Oh boy. lol
Yeah. Luffy is the only enemy Usopp knows whole skillset of. That's why he did good compared to his other surprise enemies. But yeah, there's a reason Usopp is fighting this hard for Merry. First it was a gift from Kaya, second... Well, you'll see soon! I tend to be on Usopp's side here, more than most. Because I don't like the casual delivery Luffy had when getting the news to Usopp, about a ship that means the life to him.
I never understand how a lot of people wanted Usopp to go easy on luffy i mean it's freaking luffy and he bought all the best stuff for the fight.
it's his Girlfriends ship, so it makes sense why he's being the most stubborn about it
Usopp watched everyone leave his mother behind.
It's why he got so upset when everyone wanted to leave Merry behind.
Finally! Been waiting for your reactions ever since i saw a snippet on Yt shorts!
One of the saddest episodes for sure 😭😭😭 One piece is one of the few shows that really made me cry and really hits me so much
Be careful when reading comments guys. A lot of fans are well intentioned, but some will just casually spoil aspects of the story, or spread completely false tidbits about Oda and his writing.
No one expected that a moment like this could happened, every events connected to each other in a messy situation like this...UwU
Love to watch your reactions 😁 Remember my first time watching this arc, nearly broke me as a human 🤣
All of you guys need to see their reaction to robins backstory and episode 278, this reaction was great, but the episodes through to 278 destroyed them 😂. Best reactors to one piece right now.
Usopp is literally Batman in this fight
Some LA only watchers must have felt.."Dude why did Usopp joined, he just came along with the ship"
well thats the Realist Usopp here in his own mindset..why did I join..I just came along😶🌫️
So, Usopp's character is misunderstood even by the biggest OP fans. It is his dream to be basically a brave warrior. Courage is his theme. But if he stops being scared, he just becomes another Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. Then his character becomes meaningless. Courageous doesn't mean you aren't scared and it would also ruin Usopp's character. Usopp HAS to be scared and Usopp has to contsnatly fight against his own fears, because that is what courgae/bravery are.
Well said!
Spoilers ahead!!
Fair point, and totally makes sense from the narratives perspective. BUT what pisses me off about him, is that even after time skip he didn't develop one bit. Yes, he's the one to overcome his fear against strong enemies. But even after 2 years training he shivers facing *any* no-name. 0 character development. Instead he could be the one using his utensils to avoid face-to-face fights and still be useful. But no, instead he keeps screaming. Again, and again, and again. The only time that I can recall him being useful post time skip was against sugar, and even that moment hardly outweighed how he behaved before. Against Ulti he could've had his moment overcoming his fear, but he plays dead instead while Nami is refusing to denounce Luffy and showing backbone.
Sad to admit it, but for me Ussop has become the same as chopper, insignificant comedic relief with no character development. While that role fits chopper, Ussop annoys me more often than not.
@@Smurez Well like I said before. If he isn't scared, how can he then be brave? That is inherently oxymoronic. And I'm not dismissing your critics. You are right to have them, but I'm pointing out how Usopp HAS to be like this. So it's a matter of liking him or just not liking him.
But also you have to dig a little deeper to understand the character. Usopp learns how to fight for different things at different turning points.
In Arlong Park, he needed to fight in order to be able to freely laugh along with his crewmates (essentially to belong to the crew).
In Alabasta, he runs away in a worse manner abandoning Chopper, BUT then Usopp has to fight because someone made fun of Luffy's dream. So this time, he learned to fight for his friends dreams.
Water 7/Thriller Bark Usopp's character took a very interesting turn. And I wish Oda had kept that. Sogeking was actually a great way forward to Usopp's character.
But anyways, the next turning point was in Dressrosa when Usopp had to learn to fight for random people that depend on him.
Usopp's character kinda has to do this on repeat, otherwise that's the end for this character.
@@AizenIsKubo OK interesting observation that he is kind of expanding the radius for what and who to be brave, didn't ever consider that.
I totally agree with the sogeking part. It even expands to some extent to thriller bark where he was somewhat of an MVP. It would just take a little bit of that now and then and I would like Ussop a lot more.
Those of us who are older, have been on that place before, either on Luffy's side (the right) or on Ussop's side (the wrong). This arc is a great arc that set-ups the next and it's going to be emotional both this one and the next and when you think it can't get more painful, surprise, it can.
30:20 yes usopp didn't know about the enemy and he didn't have the equipment & this time usopp knows every detail of the enemy & he prepared the equipment just to fight luffy. Usopp just need the information on the enemy to fight full strength.
the fact is,
the first person that KNEW Merry was broken beyond repair was Usopp. Usopp got "blinded" by his pure of love to Kaya and want to keep his promise about taking care of Merry.
so it doesn't surprise me and understandable (but still sad tho) when Usopp stands and challange Luffy to a fight.
and you can see every member of Strawhat had their own code and its great.
It's interesting when Usopp says the line "I've been thinking about it for a while now". Like, when did he think about this? Why? And the earliest we can think of is during their confrontation with Admiral Aokiji. Everyone else was fighting, but he himself got very scared. His only scaredy ally Chopper during that time was able to help when Robin and Luffy froze. So him taking care of the money actually made himself feel useful
Honestly, these two might be my most favourite episodes of all series. Well, maybe one of, but the fight is surely the most favourite. There is no fight in op that is more emotionally driven
The argument is also one of my favorite! The fight is icing on top.
2 weeks vacation and you guys are like 40 episodes ahead. I know what I'm doing today
This is just the beginning. More tears coming😭
Water Seven/Ennies Lobby is to me the single most important turning point of the series. Stakes become higher and the character writing becomes more complex (not that it never was)
Keep going!
love all your reactions!
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My heart sank when I see Usopp walked out of the room
This whole saga is a treat..
This is the moment I realized this story has snuck up and took over my entire life
The only person who understand luffy the most is zorro... w zorro
One important thing to mention about Japanese culture is that "Everything lives somehow", everything has a soul not only humans, but also animals, and objects. So it's pretty beautiful they focus on the Merry showing its emotions.
I believe Usopp is also incredibly insecure. He is so afraid they will throw him away eventually like they did the Merry. His fear has always been the thing that hinders him the most.
Zoro standing there like a boss and don’t say sh!!t cuz his captain is talking 👑
18:43 lol I haven't heard that jingle in decades :D
Be ready to witness great Soge king entry 😍
Usopp is like batman he got intel on luffy so he was realy good againt's him with prep time . But he had nothing to keep luffy down .
It's one of the First Times Luffy is HELLS SERIES...PRECISE WITH HIS WORDS AND DIRECT
this is the episode(s) that made me realize just how special one piece is
Aww, Jason petting Chopper while he was crying on screen. 😂
I pray that the live action makes it all the way here, seeing them fight in live action is going to be a tough watch but itll make great TV
your end commentary makes me think at a different perspective now.
maybe ussopp wanted to give hes all in a fight to show hes sorry for the money, and proving himself to luffy in fight, for a turning point
Sanji the realest crew member
I think he's also one of the members who understand Usopp the most
I feel like the realistic crew member award goes to zoro. Without any spoils, zoro always has the crews back no matter what.
@@AnimeIntrospective i mean, Sanji too. Btw maybe just a typo, cause realest and realistic are 2 different things, just to not make confusion, cause Sanji feels more realistic as a character, Usopp too.
@bluelight17 yeah definitely a typo I didn't even know. I meant "realist" as far as who has the crews back the most
By the way, Usopp don't fight that good usually because he doesn't have time to prepare (strategy and inventory) + he always panics + he lacks confidence and determination, usually his first instinct is just run and survive, but here he is determined to beat luffy and he thought it out, he has no fear just anger and pride. All of these combined very well explains why he is doing so well here compared to him usual self. Oh, i forgot to mention that he is very familiar with luffy's fighting style and his abilities. And he is confident Luffy won't kill him, so that's also why he doesn't fear. Well, maybe usopp is really was not afraid to die here regardless, who knows.
many nakama were surprised by Luffy and Usopp's feud, many did not expect them to be so emotional and end in a fight... Oda wrote very beautifully... here we also see Zoro's role in always accompanying Luffy no matter what happens...
The Merry.. then Robin... now Ussop.. everything is gettin fkd up!! ToT
Usopp wouldn't have been able to fight like this if it wasn't luffy, he knows luffy, his moves, his fighting style, his weaknesses and his personality, he had time to get everything he needed for the fight and knew exactly what he needed for it
About the fight… Luffy acted as a friend by letting Usopp hit him with all he had, when he could have ended all with a single punch, like he did with Bellamy, because it would have broken Usopp spirit beyond repair. The fight was not about the ship at all.
From that momment talking had no point because Usopp refuses to aknowlage truth and Luffy wont pull out since duel is Usopps decision.
Zoro is the only one who understands that Luffy is the Captain, and that they can't disrespect him.
Sanji has actually been worried about Robin and before they went back to the ship, before they told Usopp about Merry, he said they had to talk about her too. But well, then this happened.
Entering Water 7: omgg this place is beautiful. i like it here!
After Luffy vs Usopp: i hate it here. what is happening? 😭
Siempre lloro con estos capitulos 😢
yep, this hurts
Ussop's is one of the best character arc's in One Piece. He isn't going insane with pride or even attachment to Merry. He is going insane with insecurity. He thinks that he is useless to the crew because he is not a fighter nor does he have a specific purpose in the crew like navigator or doctor. He is self sabotaging because he is afraid the crew will abandon him like Merry. When he overcome's his insecurity and finds his place in the crew is one of the greatest payoffs in the story. (Its not in this arc or the next. It happens gradually through out the story up untill now)
It's Sad Piece time!
As I rewatched this scene... Ussop was really wrong. He let his emotions win, however... It was Merry. It was really hard to think right.
I heard Oda himself cryed on this scene in Manga/Anime , a powerful scene between 2 friends.
hell yeahhhhhhhh
When Luffy cries, I cry 😢.
Usopp is fighting because of his own insecurities. He has always seen himself as weaker and more of a burden, but losing the money was sort of the straw that broke camels back.
Then when Luffy says they are going to leave the Merry, he thinks that they will eventually leave him behind too.
Glad I got on Patreon, so I'm up to current
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and now I know that ketchup trick will really work on people lol @24:32
as a little kid I'm still traumatized by the Butterfree going away from Ash in Pokemon so when this happened I am not really sure if Robin or Usopp will really leave the crew lol
and this is it, the first of the many "greatest episode" of One Piece
This is a fight between a captain and his crew member, not between friends 😢
Oh wow... You guys came far. Last I saw a few months back, you just encountered Chopper.
Also referencing "ABC commerical breaks from the late 80s" I know you two are old folks like me! Gababababa!!! Also, reemember that Usopp is a brave man AND a liar. He knew he couldn't beat Luffy, but he had to be brave cause that's his dream.
Emotional episodes fr😢
The first time I watched this arc I dropped One Piece. My heart couldn't stand the drama...But now I love the drama XD
In any fight, Usopp's being constantly questioning his chances..scared..but here..
Determined and Scary.
I noticed through your shorts you guys reached episode 278. Such an iconic moment, the soundtrack played in that episode is special for that moment only. Oda does not use that OST ever again through out the entirety of the show, thought it's a fun little fact that adds even more weight to it.
Also i’ve recently been rewatching Demon Slayer and I just realized you 2 would absolutely love it. I know you’re the kind of people who will come to love the MC really quick because he is so genuine, kind hearted & has a great moral view. Furthermore the animation of the show really is second to none, even people who don’t like the show can’t really deny Ufotable (the studio who animates it) is in a league of their own. The show is absolutely beautiful and once you reach episode 19 you’ll come to see the animation really is something special. It’s totally fine if you can’t bring it to the channel due to other shows, I just wanted to bring it to your attention so you might be able to watch it off camera. I think it’s a journey you 2 wouldn’t wanna miss for the world!
Which ost do you mean?
@@Matagu1 it's called 'i'm here with you too' and it's only played during the walk up in episode 274 and during that iconic moment in 278. It does play one more time during 283 but since that's a filler episode i didn't really take that into account
They have watched the first episode of demon slayer. If you haven't joined patreon or the discord you should 😊.
Oda IS a mangaka not a animator , he's not the one using ost 😂
@@rijusnar1994 i know but i remember reading Oda actually wanted a special OST for this specific moment
這一集是個非常有深度的劇情，我喜歡尾田擅長把各種有深度的題目放在劇情裡面，引發觀眾的思考和辯論，當你有一個非常重要的東西需要拋棄，才能讓你繼續走下去，你會怎麼抉擇?騙人布就是代表無法拋棄的那個人，而魯夫是代表為了繼續走下去選擇拋棄的人，站在各自的角度都是可以理解的，但是非要客觀地說，我認為魯夫才是正確的，而騙人布只是任性的無法拋棄，為了心愛的船，可以將其他夥伴的生命置於危險之中，如果他們聽從騙人布不拋棄船，於事無補的修船出航，最後大家一起葬身海底，畢竟船的龍骨損壞是不可逆的，就像人的心臟插了一把刀，做什麼事都沒救了!
Water seven, still Top 1. amazing reaction like always guys!
hahahahaha he sentit el mateix q vosaltres cuan el vaig veure,q grans.....porrets,vinets i OP !
If Luffy ain’t smiling it ain’t right.
Chopper is still a minor and the youngest of the group so he is not used to seeing them fight.
oh Merry, Oh Merry. This won't end well
From this day onward when we set foot on Water 7, our journey with the crew won't be just some silly adventure anymore, things will get more and more serious, not saying that it be funny anymore or things will become permanently darker, it's just that things won't be the same as before to some extent and events that may happen can suddenly take a sharp turn
I ALWAYS get SO stressed out when we get to these episodes. I HATE when family fight. Gives me ptsd or something... 😰😓
Well it's very hard to watch 😢, but Luffy is the Captain, he must keep his position, if he had lost this fight, Usopp would basically be the new captain. If the Captain decides something, the crew should accept it.
Usopp is too loyal to his friends to accept a companion being tossed away.
Hate how so many people don't get the point of this fight and why Usopp is actually doing decent (he always has done his job in fights, people just love to downplay his achievements for some stupid reason) he even states it's because he knows how Luffy fights at the very beginning. Usopp also has waaaaaay more emotional attachment to the Merry since it was gifted to Luffy by HIS childhood friend, not saying Usopp is right in this situation, just trying to make you realize why Usopp was so upset in the first place. That and the fact Usopp has major insecurities and people who aren't insecure can't really understand how Usopp is feeling here.
Usopp is angry out of grief and insecurity, not necessarily pride. And Usopp fought harder against Luffy because Luffy is the strongest opponent Usopp faced in his entire life and Usopp was painfully aware of how strong Luffy is.
34:14 they never went to Elbaf the island of Giants at this point.
Usopp with prep time > Batman without preptime.
Without the crew, Luffy will never be Captain.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
i like usopp alot and thius usopp is the most siries on in one piece i can remamber. im alredi in the actual episode. waiting for the new one for a week lol