Why I REGRET buying an EV!
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- After deciding to sell my Hyundai Ioniq electric in December, it's been five months, and I didn't get a single phone call or message, regardless of what I set the price at (within reason). So unfortunately I find myself having joined the multitude of people who are out of pocket or stuck in the automotive version of negative equity because they followed government advice and bought an EV.
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The only people this was unfair to was the taxpayers who were forced to subsidize the cost of those EVs.
the poor subsidizing the rich!
To be fair, as a collective, they voted for it.
To be Fair, most people don't believe in a "Collective"...
And, no matter how loud people have been voicing their opinions against the "Consensus Narritive" being pushed, some people just need to learn through the Road of Hardknocks...
I mean, it's like they enjoy being lead through the streets by the Pied Pipers they vote for...Never thinking for themselves!
Get what you voted for!!! lol.
You think we don't subsidize oil companies?
How can you say “it’s not fair”? You didn’t have to buy the car, and unless you were looking at EV’s with rose-coloured glasses, there has been plenty of evidence to indicate their atrocious depreciation, among other things. Make decisions, live with the consequences. It’s not a matter of fairness.
fanbois have an incredibly large blind spot that causes them to ignore reality, just like flat earthers or the people that say niburu is coming from under the sun. All kind of mad hatter nonsense the last 20 years. Makes me sad that critical thinking seems to have vanished from almost everyone under 40.
'I paid 19,000 for this car' And how much did all your tax paying neighbors have to chip in? Was that fair on them?
@@user-jb2om7cm8mthere is not incentives or tax breaks on the purchase of a second hand EV in Ireland so that answer to your question is €0 👍
The first horseless carriages had terrible depreciation, also. So what. You have a car for the ages that is 4X more efficient and longer lived than any ICE car. You are driving a pioneer vehicle.
@@lesbenson9421 Longer lived than any ICE car? Are you joking? There are ICE cars in great condition which have been running for 3-5 decades. Modern BEV and hybrids have hardly been around for more than 1 decade. And where did you get your "4x more efficient" statement from? They are not *that* much more efficient than ICE cars, and even if they were that is completely negated by needing to waste so much more of your time charging, and just finding a charger that is not only available but actually functional in the first place. Don't bother replying with "well you can just charge your car at home" because that is something that many people do not have the means to do for a variety of reasons.
It's the value of the battery. The car is just packaging.
And you cannot reliably determine what the value of the battery is.
@@CrowPal nothing when it has used up its cycles.
Mobile battery.
The time to put on a parachute is before you jump out of the plane.
The time to do the calculations is before you buy the EV.
Stories like this just make me appreciate my 30 year old Volvo wagon all the more.
300,000 miles, never strands me, rare repairs (which are usually simple and cheap), no payments, cheap insurance, runs efficiently on low grade gas, safe, comfortable, and I get the occasional thumbs-up on the road .
Plus, I’m helping the environment by recycling (driving the same car for many, many, many years).
😋
Love it!
Wrong. An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive AUD $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b
No disrespect, but you’re full of shit.
Factor in the pollution created to generate the already overtaxed electrical grid, the manufacture of electric cars vs. gas cars, the fact that electric cars are heavier, use up tires way faster, only last a few years at best, leading to even more manufacturing and pollution, to say nothing of the extra pollution caused by disposing of all those big heavy batteries….electric cars are a disaster for the environment when all of the bits of reality are factored in.
Think about what you’re saying first before jumping on someone that knows quite a bit about this. Unless you like being a mindless lapdog.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b
I mean SERIOUSLY! What are you talking about, “zero dollars and zero emissions”????? Far from it, you are living in a knowledge vacuum. 🙄
@@VolkswagenNut1969 Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! In Australia, most EVs are essentially charged with home rooftop solar. After the break even point has been reached with the solar system investment, which is only within a few years, all electricity generated becomes free of charge. This explains why home solar is so popular in Australia. By the 2030s, the _entire_ Australian public electricity grid will be powered by renewable sources, so by default, all EVs will have zero emissions.
Tim, you need to be more Australian in your outlook in life and pledge your loyalty to the Governor-General. You will live longer. 🦘🇦🇺
I agree, I'm driving a 82 Land cruiser fj40. Owning vehicles long term is much less wasteful, besides co2 emissions is literally plant food. Co2 is necessary for plants to produce oxygen, but I guess schools aren't teaching this in 4th grade science anymore.
A piano falling down a flight of stairs got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Me too! 😂
More like severall flights of stairs.
Save the pianos 😂
I will be using this quote in the future - mark my words
I can't think of anyone who would buy a second hand EV.
Can't think anyone would be stupid enough to buy a new milk float
I’d consider buying one, for maybe 20% of original price. But not Hyundai though, a tesla maybe.
I can, me. Bought a used 2016 Ioniq EV 3 years ago. Had 35,000 miles (56,000 km) and now has 122,000 miles (196,000 km). Paid $16,000 USD and they are selling for about $15,000.00 now. Note that none of the used ones I've looked at have as many miles as mine, so I know I couldn't sell mine for that much. I've had zero problems with the car, and the range shows about the same as when I bought it. I know this is anecdotal, but it's my story.
@@maurice7413 Me too, they're amazing value now previous owners have taken a massive hit on depreciation.
I'm just waiting for them to get cheap enough.
you paid 19k and want to sell it for 14k with more than 100k km on it? dude thats insane
He paid 19k then 10 months later sell it for 14k which was in December. The 100k km is his Odo as of now which is 5 months later.
I'm in the UK, but for comparison if I bought the same car here and held it for a year and put say 15k km on it.
2017 Ioniq with 100k km = €12,800
2018 Ioniq with 85k km = €13,400-14,000
Lesson, if you paid €19,000 for the car a year ago you're a mug. End of Ted Talk.
100,000km is only 62,000ml that for an ICE is only just run in. EVs typically last for 120k mls before the battery needs looking at, which usually turns the vehicle to scrap because of the replacement cost. £14k as a sale starting price is reasonable depreciation for an EV that is 5 months older than the £19k purchase point.
Yeah you milkfloaters out there, you have to learn it the hard way...but you can't say we haven't told you so😂😂😂😂
@stephenballantyne in fairness, cars in the UK are a lot cheaper than in Ireland, even 2nd hand. There's at least 5k in the difference usually and lower spec on the Irish car
i have no intention of buying a EV
I have no intention of dying but gonna happen some day
At least what you did pales to what the former CEO of Hertz did.
What Hertz does, or does not do, in the United States with their company rental fleet is neither here nor there for individual consumers. A consumer only buys a single EV for his personal use, not tens of thousands of EVs for company revenue generating purposes. In any case, the truly massive savings with running costs for an individual EV owner still hold true, no matter what Hertz USA does with their large EV fleet. As a matter of fact, Hertz Australia does rent out EVs.
All ev's and hybrid cars + trucks are junk get over it. Ev's 🔥 aren't allowed on my property end of story 😊
@@aaaaaaab11 Todd, no one cares about your stupid American opinions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b Who gives a crap about Oz? Are you the trendsetters? You don't produce a single car. EVs have cost real companies billions and EVs have been exposed as frauds.
another one who does not understand that the Hetz story was fakenews, they speculated on buying Teslas cheap and selling them expensive, as Tesla lowered their prices they made a loss, it had NOTHING to do with "high repair costs" or other BS, that was a dumb excuse for their failure.
Companies like Hertz do not make money on lending cars, they make money on buying thousends of cars for huge discount, use them a short time and resell them.
My retirement community is spending a lot of money to install vehicle charging stations for the 2 or 3 people who have EV. I live in lefty land
Why can't they charge in their garage?
The cost should get passed on to those who pay to use it so shouldn’t affect you.
I can drive 1100 km with my 1.9tdi passat b5.5. It is 23 years old and has been driven 460000 km and still works great.
But, why would you want to? In Australia, no one would take you seriously for driving a 30 years old Volkswagen B5 platform car which dates from 1994.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b the b5.5 came out in 2001, Besides Driving an old car isn’t something bad. Its also better for the environment to buy a used car than a new one.
@@halvdanjakobjakobglappkaft68 Wrong. The Volkswagen PL45 (B5) platform was launched in 1994 with the inaugural Audi A4 (B5) in that year. The related VW Passat (B5) was subsequently launched in 1997. The Passat B5.5 is merely a 2001 revision of the original B5. The VW Passat true successor to the B5, the PQ46 (B6) platform car, was not launched until 2005. You are not a true Volkswagen enthusiast.
Driving a 30 year old platform car in Australia is indeed bad, as other drivers will not take you seriously as you will be deemed as backward. Perceptions matter.
Wrong again! Older petrol cars are more damaging to the environment compared to newer and more efficient cars as most of the CO2 and toxic emissions are generated when the car is operation over its multi-year lifecycle, not when the car is manufactured in the factory. This explains why the Australian Government would prefer drivers to own the newest car they can afford. Needless to say, EVs are always better than any petrol car when it comes to efficiency, environmental and health impacts. 🦘🇦🇺
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b wrong, its not a petrol car, its a diesel. Also the b5 and the b5.5 are not the same, calling yourself a Volkswagen enthusiast should mean knowing the difference between models even if it’s just an update to an existing model. Also I don’t believe EVs are as reliable as old diesels considering the aging on the batteries. And the fact that you have to replace tires more frequently on EVs due to their weight. It is also not ideal having an EV if you live outside the city because there are no charging stations. EVs also diminish in range when its cold making long distances in freezing temperatures impossible.
The idea of EVs is good but the execution is poor.
@@halvdanjakobjakobglappkaft68 Wrong! You did not pay attention to science in high school. A litre of burnt petrol produces 2.3kg of CO2 emissions. A litre of diesel produces 2.7kg of CO2. It is beyond doubt that the negative environmental effects of diesel are comparatively worse. This explains why the European car marques have been moving away from diesel cars, especially after the VW Dieselgate saga of 2015.
I did *not* say that the B5 and B5.5 platforms are the same. What I did say is that the B5.5 platform of 2001 is merely a _revision_ of the original B5 from 1994. If you think that the 2001 VW Passat is the ‘all new’ model which followed the 1997 Passat then you do not know what you are talking about.
A fool and his money are easily parted.
An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b delusional or what ?
@@keegan773 Facts are facts. Maths is maths. There is no escaping basic and fundamental financial and scientific realities.
@@keegan773 Alright, Keegan, then what are the cumulative petrol and engine maintenance costs of owning a petrol car for 20 years in your part of the world.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b and delusion is delusion.
I keep a car on average for 20 years, and on top of that I do not buy new cars. EVs are a non starter on all these points, plus everyone I've seen is butt fugly.
My last car died at 15 years old 70k I was hoping it would last forever but so many things went wrong. None to do with maintenance. Mostly electrical and oil and coolant leaking. The AC was still great though.
What do you think of how the skoda enyaq looks.
One of my cars is 25 years old and I bought it 24 years ago.My latest is 15 years old and I bought it 2 years ago.Both run like new and I have no intention of selling either and both have many years of life left in them.Looking after them properly and using them properly makes all the difference.Not many people seem to be able to grasp that.How many cars and batteries are these ev wankers going to get through in the same period.
😂😂Butt ugly. Yes we were promised lovely looking cars and instead we got cars actually worse looking 😂
120 miles per charge?! That’s sad and funny. My 20-year old car gets the same 22 miles per gallon as on day one; Even in Winter.
This is what happens when government provide subsidies for products which will replace the current product , yet the current product is way better.
Lease one is the only way.
if 'better' = more polluting
The subsidies are going away
@@decimal1815you mean like all the pollution that comes from making the batteries, and don't forget it is still fossil fuels that are powering that EV, unless you think that electricity comes from air.
@@depthspader8820 Thats too much for an EV fan. They only understand what they can see with their own eyes.
Friend in work here in Dublin bought a second hand EV last year also for 27k and cant sell it either. Best offer was 12k and the Toyota dealership he wants to buy a hybrid from wont even make him an offer on the trade in.
I work at a CDJR dealership in the US, we don’t take BEVs as trades either because of almost zero interest in a used BEV and extremely high aftermarket warranty costs. HEVs and PHEVs will be the only viable electrified vehicles in the future, BEVs will be a niche market if they survive at all.
LR Discos have also dropped in price like a stone.. top end of the car market is broken at the moment.
My advice: get a welder to remove the top, fill with earth, plant flowers and display in your driveway for all to see.
an angle grinder will do the trick.
My opinion of EV's is complete overpriced junk.
Besides the fact that they are no junk as they save 70 percent energy compared to ICE cars, and can be powered by sun or wind for almost nothing, the price argument does not apply anymore. Tesla Model 3 is now cheaper than a comparable midsize car with same features.
Here in Vancouver, it's cheaper to drive a model 3 or y. Better warranty than ice cars to.
There's a trend around the world where people seem to think they get cool points by putting down evs.
@@AbolishCommunismit's edgy and cool I guess. I don't have an EV, I drive a twin turbo straight 6 H-pattern gas guggler, but I think people should drive whatever they want and not denigrate them like what some "cool people" are doing these days.
And if I were say that they were overpriced junk, I'd like to think I'd back it up with some info of why, and not make a blanket statement about all EV's.
I'm not siding with any group and playing any dumb car tribalism games. I'll just be a petrolhead and appreciate the EV's that are implemented properly. Maybe pick one up one day.
@@voongnz congrats for having a sound and open mind. im really surprise at this day and age, people are still not doing their own research before forming their own decisions.
they tend to get defensive when im just trying to debunk the myth or misinformation. i always said if evs are currently not suitable for you, fine. get the car that suits your needs or wants. no need to bash or spread misinformation. give others a chance to make their own decision.
@@JamesTan-mq4eo yeah I'm generally an early adopter on anything tech related, however EV's somehow have evaded me or vice versa.
I'm not updated on the latest EV tech but I know lfp and blade batteries have progressed and I'm not repeating old info of batteries spontaneously combusting, thermal runaway etc etc.
I also ride motorbikes and know how cliquey and douchey tribalism gets, especially between sportbikes and cruisers. It's very cringey. Even the Harley Davison HOG ownership have shunned their own with the Harley EV.
It's funny to me how people just follow and repeat just because they don't like something, sometimes it's something they don't know all or anything about it, and even worse when some people don't like something but don't know why they don't like it lol. Sheep.
If they have a legitimate gripe about something, I'll listen to it, I might agree to it too. Being too closed minded is a sign of low intelligence.
The Macmaster has lost over £60,000 on his electric Taycan in less than 2 years so think yourself lucky, if you had watched any of his videos I doubt you would have bought your Hyundai in the first place.
If you'd watched any of his videos you'd wish you'd had a lobotomy first.
You haven't worked out that he's a troll yet then? The man can't complete the simplest of journeys, he's supposed to be an adult
Aah the great Macmaster. Yeah he got screwed there. Imagine buying a car for 120 quid and it being worth 40k 2 years later. Welcome to EVs. But at least he's making some good money on his EV vids. He needs to keep that car. But most of us can't do that.
Well, seeing as his whole grift is to get anti-ev, Porsche-driver-hating loonies to buy enough of his merch to fund his electric Porsche - successfully, obviously - I don't suppose he's stopped laughing enough to care. Also, check Autotrader and you'll find it's still worth 75-80 k.
@@Lewis_Standingtry a vw id 3 then, they lose 20k in 2 years. Go look on auto trade. Mgs can lose 6k in months.
Fool you once...but not fool you twice? It is the same as selling your mobile phone, buyers will take into account the state of the battery.
The ‘state of the battery’ is irrelevant nearly all of the time as the battery packs are designed the last the life of the EV many times over. There are many EVs around the world which have travelled 500,000km with their original battery packs.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bwhen you plug a scan tool in you can see how much the battery has degraded. Some mechanics do thhis for you now as part of a pre purchase inspection.
There is no comparison between a mobile phone battery and an EV battery. The BMS makes sure the voltage on the cells never hits zero and maintains a buffer at the top end...This is why EV batteries last so long, easily outliving a typical ICE engine.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 In Australia, most petrol cars are decommissioned and scrapped at 15 years with only 180,000km travelled, as at this point the petrol engine and transmission maintenance is too onerous and uneconomical.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b In the UK the average car is scrapped at 16 years and 150,000 miles. An EV has a fraction of the moving parts and subsystems of an ICE (gearbox, starter motor, fuel pump, water pump etc), the electric motor is good for half a million miles or more and the battery at least 250,000 miles...Eventually it will sink in to the minds of Joe Public that EVs are a much better long term prospect than an ICE which at 15 years is a bag of bolts.
Why did you buy in the 1st place
I went. For a hybrid Toyota Yaris cross. Getting 73.1 mpg, and no range anxiety. 😁
But that 73 miles will cost you £7.07 I can do that in my EV for £1.46
@@chrishart8548 Quite true but you missed the point. The very rapid depreciation of EV's more than cancels out your savings. A Yaris cross with 100k km will still have a good residual value. Endfloats EV depreciation has probably cost him twice his "savings".
@@chrishart8548 electricity prices are not going down, especially as nations continue their march towards green energy which is VERY expensive. Not only that, the Yaris has a lot more range, fills up way faster and is therefore a lot more practical in general.
@@chrishart8548 bet your EV has depreciated more than his Yaris cost.
@@georgegently3026 I wouldn't know. It's just worth 1 car to me
EV’s are like disposable lighters but disposable lighters don’t usually explode and burn your house down.
Petrol is bloody flammable. In Australia, there are 10,000 petrol car fires each and every year. EV fires essentially do not happen due to their inherent safety.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bThat 10,000 figure seems conveniently neat.
The most populous state, NSW, has less that 2000 vehicle fires per annum. These are fires for all types of vehicles, and over 50% of those fires are arson.
Methinks you extracted that "10,000" figure from your rectum.
Or you've been watching too much of the EV shill the Electric Viking.
The Aus government sponsored site EV Firesafe claims there has been less than 500 EV fires worldwide in the modern electric car era. A rather dubious claim seeing how the Chinese government are acknowledging they have over 20,000 "new energy" vehicle fires per annum.
Don't believe everything you see or hear.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bI'm sorry, but I have to laugh. Your brain washed
Neither do EVs.
@@glennmartin6492actually, they do, and have.
You will keep the car until the little electric widget breaks then it will cost more than the car is worth to repair. If that little widget is available. Leaf owners where I live have found out that after 5 years Nissan is washing their hands of them and more Leaf’s are turning into driveway bricks. The culprit of that scenario is the main battery. The pathetic range on that car drops to nothing when a cell gives out. Nissan does not supply replacements for cars over five years old. Third party suppliers are reluctant to get into that small market so a useless parts car is what you get. I can go out and find a 20 year old rebuilt 302 for $1600 and drop it into my 20 year old 😊Mustang to get another 250,000 miles out of it. That is how you get longevity. After market parts.😅
Long term support is absolutely crucial. Being Swedish I'm used to having Volvo and Saab parts available pretty much universally and for all time. It's what makes me comfortable driving a 20 year old car. It takes a lot of resources and energy to build any car so with electric cars having less parts needing service it seems wasteful to abandon support after a few years.
Those old Leaf's had zero battery management. They were basically 1st generation EV's. We are now on 4th generation and there are plenty of EV's that have made it well over 200,000 miles/322,000 km.
A Leaf comes with an 8 year battery warranty so not sure where you’re getting 5 years from….
Wrong. An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. An EV powered by home solar eliminates the costs and emissions from the outset. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@ViktorSargeThe Chinese owners of Volvo cars cannot be legally compelled to supply new pars for long obsolete cars forever. Business is business.
I am from the Government and I am here the help.
The most terrifying words ever spoken.
Yeah, that's what the "Don't tread on me " tough guys say. Until they need that help and then gladly accept it.
I don’t think anyone from the government has actually said those words, it’s a made up saying that most people don’t realize is made up.
@@wellfleation1 You are so right. Requiring public emergency services means *totally* that we need the government to decide what kind of cars we drive. Thats definitely the same thing. Its also the government that makes people become firefighters, instead of those people doing it out of their own free will, regardless of if there is a central government to tax them.
In conclusion, freedom bad because scary.
Luckily I learned this lesson before most with my Chevy Volt (45k to 11k in two years 35k miles). I’ll never own something that plugs in, has a battery and can be outdated like a phone ever again.
Then you won't be driving as all cars will be EVs within 10 to 15 years.😊
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270hahaha, yeah, ok
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Sure. No one can be voted out or in office and change deadlines the current admin has already changed themselves. And there’s no way to maintenance and continue driving existing internal combustion engines. Nope. No way. /s
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270says who? Elon?
@@aantonic Nope, just me. The car industry (note I say INDUSTRY) is only going one way, and that's electric. The debate is over on what and how we will power ground transportation. Just follow the money, see where the investment is going and you will come to the same conclusion.
Ireland of all countries is the worst place to own an ev. If i won a free ev and had free charging for life i'd still prefer a petrol or diesel
Based on what? Entitled to your opinion of course, but I'd disagree, charge at night when you sleep and you can go 250-300km on anything newer than a gen2 leaf, eg it's 300km to Cork from Dublin and there's plenty of places to charge enroute if needed. Yes EV owners need to actually plan ahead a bit more than diesel, but that's the trade off
@valient5 i just dont think the country is properly set up for them. Not everyone lives in dublin or cork, they might have to travel 50 or 60km just to find a public charger, I dont own one so im obviously not an expert but the battery seems to be half the price of the car so if that goes youre in big trouble. A lot of dealers are refusing to take them as a trade in it seems too. There just arent enough positives, maybe if the insurance or tax on them was cheaper it would be something
@smashyrashy the main difference you and others might not be considering, is with Electric you no longer need public infrastructure for 90% of most of your charging needs. I've 2 Electrics and only use public charging once or twice a year when driving to the west and back the same day. Its safer for my wife and kids as she doesn't have to leave them in the car to go pay in the garage also. I just saw 4 brand new high power chargers in carrickmines yesterday and there's more popping up everywhere. So your statement is simply not true. Everywhere there's a 3 pin plug, there's a potential charging spot. As the cars improve the time to charge will reduce.
@@valient5 Lucky to park on your property, for highly populated areas, apartment blocks and terraced housing does not afford that luxury. Admittedly most of those living there are unlikely to be able to afford an EV, new is too much and secondhand, just a financial liability on the battery as most mass market cars do not warrant the battery after 2 years. EV’s are best suited to lease/PCP as they can be got rid of after 3 years, bit like a phone contract for those who need the latest tech, a disposable item.
I actually disagree even though have no idea what situation in Ireland. If it's free, I'll take it
You , my friend, are the problem.
But he'll vote for the Lib Dems the next time too...
Yep he is a total tool!
Idiot pfft
It is morally unacceptable to let a fool keep his money.
I had not seen anyone actually being this open about the situation, so thanks for that, it must be painful to talk about but it sure helps me get a proper perspective, I almost bought a used Leaf last year but nope Im still driving around in my 20 year old Colt, and avoided losing a whole lot of money looks like. Thanks again!
I've had my Toyota Prado 4WD for 20 years and it's still going strong . No interest in buying a new car.
Yup, my 120 series is 19 now and flew through its MOT last week, it'll see herself and me out, they can stick battery cars where the sun doesn't shine.
So many of my friends and colleagues have fallen for the new car trap, daren't keep them outside of warranty (except for Toyota that is but most of them haven't a clue)
Have a 23 year old Renault kangoo 1.2 petrol. Since purchase 12 or13 years ago including all parts and repairs is costing us iirc when I totted it up last year 2,000 euros.
Son has a 29 year old Toyota 1.6 si Corolla like wise just regular consumables in all the years he has owned it.
My current daily driver is a 43 year old Toyota hiace that basically costs zero to run
All the above are economical on fuel and there is no crazy depreciation or range issues.
Also insurance is cheap on them compared to plug in ev
Only vehicles I would consider purchasing from the EV range are Toyota hybrids that self charge.
These have a readily accessible repairable battery iirc a new Prius battery is in region of 1500 euros , not sure if this is reconditioned but not heard any complaints from ppl about them.
After 10 months? You would be extremely lucky if you could sell it half what you paid for for it. Here in America, trade-in value on a new car is, in may cases, ZERO as many dealers simply won't even accept them.
Trade in? Don't be lazy and sell the car yourself. Why let a dealership and salesman make profit from you?
Yeah, thats not the best metric really. Could almost as well say literally anything has no value, since company or person x wont give you anything for it.
Bought my Honda Civic del Sol brand new 31 years ago and it still drives well. Yes, plenty of repairs over the years but I have no regrets.
I used to love those cute cars!
Have several old ice vehicles in our family.
Reliable and cheap to run.
Yes will consider a Toyota self charging hybrid in the future
Because the battery’s in them are readily accessible and repairable and I don’t need to stop for hours to plug in
Also in my country 90% of electricity is generated by fossil fuels and the 10 % it now seems generated by wind is more polluting than fossil generated because of the huge maintenance in replacement consumables these wind turbines require
It's the crazy "disposable" and "Consume, Consume, Consume" mentality that is causing so many of our problems.
A rich person is one who's driving a car without finance, not the one with the flash badge and crippling payments.
Your first mistake was ever buying an EV in the first place.
‘It’s not fair’? Failure of an individual to properly research and reach a considered and informed decision, given all the unknowns of an ev, deserves every predicament they find themselves in. It’s nothing to do with unfairness, it’s to do with poor judgement…
Actually the first electric car was made in the 1830’s. They’ve been tried and retried many times since then with no success
Thanks for the video. If you stop just one person entering the EV madness you have done good work.
why is that so? people who believe what they see on the internet without doing any fact finding or research on their own is an idiot anyway. the same person would also buy a car based on a car reviewer recommendation and regret it after. there is no perfect car but there is a right car for you. if ev's due to its current limitation doesnt suit your needs or wants, sure dont be an idiot to rush in to buy one.
@@JamesTan-mq4eo you obviously enjoy your EV. Good for you.
@@5ebra1 i enjoyed my ice too but its time to open your mind and form your own decision. its obvious this content creator did not do his own research and bought something that is not suited to his use case, so he decided its the car's fault.
@@JamesTan-mq4eo You are right that EVs have a role. For most journeys they are fine and if you plan your journey and don’t travel at peak times they are ok for longer journeys. However, there is not enough electricity produced to allow everyone to have one. If ever in the USA had one they have calculated that electricity production would have to be doubled and new infrastructure built. The cables cannot carry the increased current. The same undoubtedly would apply here. Motorists need to be able to choose what car they buy dependent on their circumstances. EVs are not suitable for everyone.
@@5ebra1 yes, evs with the current battery technology are not suitable for everyone. those who genuinely needs more range on a daily basis or dont have a home charger, my advice to them is do your own research and find the one that's suits your use case, be it ice or ev.
Share facts and truthful information like both pros and cons of ev than just mindless bashing or misinformation.
as for electrical production to cope with evs, i can only say the situation in the US do not represent the rest of the world, and there is still time to catch up on that. not sure what is the latest goal to stop new ICE cars sales but im sure US can do it if they want to.
EV owners should do their research before investing in not so green time bombs.
In 1910 electric cars made no sense. In 2020 electric cars make no sense.....
Its now 2024 and electric cars MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE - AT ALL.
They made no sense to Mr Ford's chief accountant; because they'd make tons more money from a petrol because they cost so much in servicing and maintenance - which equals profit for Ford. They made a heap of sense for the customer; which was why Mr Ford's Model T was originally proposed as an electric. Interesting history of profit before customer value, which is of course excellent business sense.
@@aeroearthElon Musk is a knob
Funny, I could have sworn that he was a human being........
@@aeroearth look at his head
ANY TIME the government offers subsidies, it’s best to turn around and RUN. When has any government done anything in the best interest of any taxpayer? EVER.
You have to dig up at least a mile of Earth just to produce one battery.
Yes, ICE cars just pop out of the ground ready made. It's quite amazing really.
@@CatsMeowPaw I thought ICE vehicles came from a unicorn's bowel movement?
Yep. Rich people in western countries can feel smug at the illusion they’re saving the world from something, while children are forced to mine cobalt in African countries and Chinese Uighurs are making solar panels in concentration camps.
Batteries can be recycled at 90+%. No need to keep digging up new material.
@@darylfoster7944 Thats objectively false.
So why did you buy it?
I have 140k km on my model and the degradetion is not more than approx 10%. Keep calm and EV on
That's cute!
Thank you for being our test subject
Get solar panels and you will find it cheap to run, and also find your energy bills are lower. The right tariffs help greatly. Replacing cars every 3 years has always been stupid.
No one wants a second hand EV, they have too many issues with battery degredation/replacement
"....creating.." I thought you were gonna say huge environmental waste, which is what these disposable cars are.
Cars so good the government gives discounts so SOMEBODY will buy one, they are very expensive to repair !!
Martin from american, you remember that movie with Tom hank the money pit 💰
That's what the ev reminds of . Putting all that money in and getting no return.
Any car is a bad investment. You will never get your money back.
In the coming months and years more and more will look out their windows and see that the climate is not changing and will therefore logically decide their choice of car will not be changing either.
Temperatures in Australia have risen by +1.4°C from 1900 to 2020. This is having dramatic effects on the environment and human society. More people are dying due to heat stress.
the climate will still change even if everybody is just walking.
@@gbone7581 Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! You did not pay attention to science class in school. In Australia, the average temperature has risen by 1.4°C since 1900. This results with hotter temperatures throughout the year, especially in summer, and more wild storms, which causes more devastating bushfires and floods on a more frequent basis.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b That's because we were coming out of the little ice age where temps dropped an average of 2 degrees.
@@infiad1275 Rubbish. Temperatures were steady and stable from when AD 1 until about 1800, the better part of 2 millennia, when industrialisation began in full swing. Those who are older can certainly personally attest that Australian temperatures have increased since the 1990s.
The ev market is going through an unstable time. Two years ago used evs were selling at nearly new prices. In the long term normality will prevail. Petrol and diesel cars have never been a good finacial investment, have they?
No car is an investment. They all depreciate. The used car market was very expensive until recently. I’ve recently decided to get a Model Y performance, I was blown away by it. However I’m not purchasing it, I’m getting it on a lease through salary sacrifice. It will cost me the same as my monthly fuel bill of my X5 and includes insurance, tyres and any maintenance or repairs. It was a no brainer.
My previous car was a25 year old Mazda 323 which we had for 16 years. Only parted with it because of Khan s Ulez. Apsulotley everything worked faulty less and are pleased to say it's still going strong out of London.We now a newer Mazda and will keep for as long as Khan lets me.
Maybe you should just stick with it. What's the problem with keeping something going? Drive it until it dies (ie the battery) then you can work out what the true cost is over those years
Ev is not the future
I’ve always said I wouldn’t have an EV as a gift - utter crap !!!!
I have a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 5.2 l V8 that I do all the work on to myself. Paid $3,000 for it with 190,000 miles on it.
It runs perfect.
Now I've got about $4,000 into it total, and I can do all the repairs.
I will easily get it to 300,000 mi, but by then I will have it completely restored and will be thinking about a new rebuilt engine.
At that point it will be good for another 300,000 mi.
That's how I roll.
I've owned my truck for ten years and it's still going strong. I have a 22 year old Cougar 4 cylinder for my daily driving that I bought two years ago. Going to electric is only a last resort for me.
Most EVs are company vehicles or on leases so deprecation is of no consequence to the user. Not sure how the lease companies are managing the rapid drop in values though. Lots of ex lease vehicles flooding the second hand market is also having an effect on residual values without much demand from the private buyer. Not sure how this is all going to pan out.
Great bargains on ex lease cars that are EV though. Really good for the majority of the market that's 80% second hand 👌
Can't wait to get a great new EV model for really cheap
@@Lewis_Standing Yes I’m also thinking of buying an ex lease EV. Just a bit worried I may also end up with a worthless vehicle in a couple of years due to new longer range, faster charging models coming to market. Got to choose carefully.
So you will take the risk of a fleet car and the risk of battery degradation and massive cost of replacement. You have better chances on the lottery.
@@user-it7lf7kk8mthe chances of winning the lottery are worse than being struck by lightning twice.
@@martinhibbert1428 You needn't worry about newer technology making your cheap EV obsolete - what you need to worry about is when you will need to replace its battery. That's a lifecycle termination event.
But what about your carbon footprint and the environment? Just joking, there never was any crisis, it was all smoke and mirrors, a lesson learned, get on with your life.
Don’t know what to say, I’ve lost money in my lifetime too, I guess you can just drive it until it’s dead. Just one of life’s lessons you’ve learned.
Great video. Takes balls to admit a mistake. Respect for a man who speaks the truth.
In December, 2019, I bought my Tesla Model 3 Long Range and i still have it today and it's by far the best car that I have ever owned and it's a great car for Barcelona. I don't think I would have been happy with a Hyundai, Nissan Leaf or BMW i3 which were the other cars that were being sold at the time that I bought.
I usually buy my cars used. Golden rule when selling a car is that it is worth exactly what a Buyer is prepared to pay for it whatever you may think, which is completely irrelevant. I often see cars offered for sale with lunatic prices and don't even bother to enquire. I also see such cars offered for sale several months later with prices slashed by up to 50%.
Buyers of your Ioniq will know it has no warranty, being a private sale, which for a EV would be exceedingly risky. You may well end up selling the car and still have outstanding loan payments to make. Running an ageing EV would be risky too, as car manufacturers usually only provide spare parts for 7 years after that model's production ends. If a car was made in great volumes that attracts third party parts manufacturers, but EV's would be made in comparatively low numbers so unlikely to attract such third party interest.
Rubbish. EVs are fundamentally more reliable than petrol cars have ever been due to the fact that there are only 20 moving parts in an EV. For a petrol car there are 2000 moving parts, a 100 fold increase. Moreover, there is no liquid fuel nor water-based engine coolant to contend with either. The electric motors in EV are maintenance-free. There are many, many EVs around the world which have travelled 500,000 with their original factory battery packs and electric motors.
Yes Comrade. I take it you are a Member of the Chinese communist Party?
What gives you the idea that EV's "around the World have travelled 500,000" somethings? Sounds like communist propaganda to sell EV's to me. And I never mentioned "reliability" at all.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bI think you'll find that statistically EVs are more unreliable and then still rip you off for servicing all those non moving parts.
@@georgegently3026 What total uninformed nonsense. If EVs were unreliable then the Tesla Model Y would not have been the best selling privately purchased car in Australia for 2023, and neither would EVs make up 15% of the UK new car sales market.
Spare parts for my 16 year old Toyota Prius Tspirit Hybrid are still available. Your 7 year cut off point for spares is a cruel myth. I bought it when it was 5 years old - and yes, it’s been trouble free, still running on the original drivetrain and traction battery, the latter which still works perfectly.
EV's, an illogical solution to an imaginary problem.
My fuel bill was a very real problem, as were the maintenance costs.
It's not really a solution, it's simply an option that makes sense for some people and not for others. If cost of ownership is lower than for ICE, then people will buy them. The real value in EVs is autonomy. There will never be an autonomous ICE vehicle.
@@darylfoster7944 Except that EVs are disposable once their main battery craps out. If it doesn't catch on fire before that, of course.... lol.
@@SevenSixTwo2012 Do you actually enjoy making a fool of yourself?
Your ICE car is massively more likely to catch fire than any EV and tell me, what happens to your 15 year old ICE when the engine craps out? Are you going to ge to the main dealer and ask for a factory new engine fitted at main dealer prices?
Then you can run around telling everybody how ICE are disposable cars because it's not economically feasible to put a new engine in.
Oh, and how much did you pay for fuel and maintenance in those 15 years? It will be many thousands more than I did, many.
@darylfoster7944 it is not an option when the government puts billions into this crap, and says ICE vehicles will be done by 2035. If the government pushes it then it probably is crap.
The problem is the offering price. Reduce the price, and it will sell. Everyone has to take a hit after 100,000 kilometers - apparently it is more than 5000.
We all make mistakes.
Anyone who thinks any ev will hold value at this point isn't thinking, as ev technology is improving so rapidly.
I knew that my Chevy Bolt euv wouldn't hold value (new mine was $42,000 in Canada). I love it, and I see it becoming rolling home electricity storage for the house at some point. My Bolt will do 500kms on a charge in the summer, but only 280-300 ish in a Canadian winter -- no heat pump. Charging at home, my cost to drive 41kms today was $1.39.
that is why I am leasing my EV, list price 8 months ago was £34000, I have just seen one advertised the same year as mine 73 reg for £16500 with modest mileage of 6000 and HPI clear, that is a loss of over 50% in 8 months, EV's are a money pit
Most cars are. I’m about to take delivery of a Model Y performance through salary sacrifice. It will cost the same as my monthly fuel bill and also includes tyres, insurance etc. it was a no brainer in that regards. I wouldn’t buy one.
Some of the younger generation seem to think (when on PCP) that after 3-4 years hire you just get a new one, as the old ones no good anymore. Cars are becoming a throw away item. They’re treated like an old phone….. oohhh look a new one. I must have it now. Then I can “trend” about it.
I wouldn’t have one full stop even if it was free I can never understand why you would have to plan a journey around changing stations with petrol or diesel fill it up and your away a lot quicker than waiting around for charging we are never going to meet environmental standards because India China USA and many more stop polluting our atmosphere and that’s not going to happen any time soon
Depends on the EV. If it’s a Tesla it’s really not an issue, 10 minute stop will put 200 mile range on it. I can’t drive for 200 miles without needing a stop to stretch and use the toilet.
My neihbour just paid 8500euros for a New battery on a 7year old Renault Yikes!!!
Is a 7 year old Renault even worth €8500
8500 Euros for the battery is exceedingly cheap. Was that a limited range battery, or full range?
Traditionally motor vehicle manufacturers withdraw spare parts support at 7 years after that model ends, so when the computer fails or the circuitry to drive the electric motors fail your neighbour will have to rely on third party spare parts suppliers, if indeed any exist for what would be a low initial volume car.
EV batteries are built into the floor pan of the car, so what was the fitting and commissioning cost? Maybe your neighbour hasn't owned up to that yet.
Is your house and contents insurer aware that your neighbour has an EV? In their small print Insurers say that it is your DUTY to tell them of any changes to THEIR risk, otherwise in the event of a claim, they will deny liability. Be wise to make your Insurer aware and do so in writing. You may well face an increased premium.
They have an 8 year warranty on the battery. Something with this story isn’t being stated 🤔
Need to read the small print on ALL warranties. When a lead acid battery failed on my IC car at 11 months the Dealer said it's warranted for 12 months and you have had 11 months use out of it so we will only credit you with one twelth of the value of a new battery. By comparison I bought a Japanese made lead acid Yuasa battery for my wife's car and that lasted for over 7 years, outliving the life of the car.
@aeroearth I've had a car battery last 12 years .
Look on the bright side if you took a certain medical procedure in the last few years the battery is likely to last you the rest of your life.
A sucker is born every minute and its a fact for you are now aware of dont
buy electric ever.Thanks for honesty.
I suspect one reason they depreciate fast is because of UA-camrs telling people they are depreciating fast, often for views, which pay for the depreciation
I would never even have a polished 💩
At least you're honest with your assessment.
You'd better keep cutting your price until someone buys it. I had to do the same when I sold my 1972 F-100 that I owned for 33 years. "It's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it."
There are some cruel comments in this thread, but sometimes the truth hurts, and reality dawns painfully.
It seems you've already learned what you had to learn from your government leading you down the garden path, so well done, and commiserations.
The most environmentally friendly vehicle is an internal combustion engine, regularly serviced and kept for as long as possible. None of this 3 year PCP cobblers that everyone is slowly being forced into. I sympathise with anyone locked into the EV scam and something I won't ever be a part of.
They do PCP on combustion car's don't you know? It's perfectly possible to arrange refinancing on cars at the end of the deal and pay them off.
It's fine to not want an EV yet, or be skeptical or whatever but it's factually incorrect to state that oil cars are more environmentally friendly.
ICE cars have many pluses but surely you can't honestly believe that any ICE car is the best environmental option.
If you decide to run an EV, you have to lease it, that way you know the cost upfront and have the peace of mind that it is going back at the end of the term, and its depreciation is a problem of the leasing company.
@lewis_Standing, based on articles I have read, while I do partially agree with you, when considering mining, processing, manufacturing, transportation, EV's are far worse
A COAL POWERED CAR (EV's) are the least environmentally friendly choice. If someone wants a coal powered car, using a coal fired steam engine would produce less emissions than an EV.
Sorry to hear your bad luck experience. My case is on the contrary. I live in the UK and bought a used Kona half year ago. I'm so happy with it since then. For a brand new car, EV is much expensive than a similar ICE car. However, for a used one, EV is much cheaper. So I got my 1st saving in buying a used EV. Usually I only drove maximum 30 miles every day and ocassionaly drove over 100 miles. For such range, there is no difficulty to my car even in winter. Since I only used the charging pod at my home to charge my EV, my fuel cost is only 1 fifth or even 1 sixth of a normal ICE car. As a result, I expected I can save almost £2000 per year and I'm thinking to exchange my another ICE family car to EV soon.
Drove my little Chevy Colorado pickup for 130,000 miles. Still ran perfectly but it was starting to rust. I sold it three hours after posting it on Craigslist. New owner said he'll patch it up and keep driving.
Still loving my 26 YO Chevy S10 with 270,000 miles, not rusty, came from NC. $1000. Had it 9 years and no real trouble, always starts and gets me there, the AC is even ice cold, better than our modern midsize SUV. I prefer driving it and can wedge it in any tight parking spot, do not care about door dings. Seldom bother washing it, cleaning it. Is like my dad’s old farm truck of the 1960’s. Just get in and go.
Who dares to buy a used EV?
Its a trap, not something I would and possibly the majority of drivers would want to get into. EV's don't make financial sense. Forget what the governments say and the lie which is Net Zero, just don;t fall into this trap. I know in your case that is not much consolation, I hope you managed to get rid of it soon.
That's not true.
What are the government saying. ?
@@chrishart8548 When he says "governement , he means the voices in his head.
@@prophetsnake Yah, totally ignore that EV STILL have gov't incentives to lower their prices artificially. That's TAXPAYER funds being used there chief. Once those incentives dry up, no one is going to be able to afford the silly things. The fact those incentives have been in place for over 10 years is a HUGE problem. No one should be paying taxes to help you make a bad decision.
@@prophetsnake Ah we have a Sunak fanboy, with his crappy plan to ban new petrol and Diesel car sales. which will obviously come to nothing, like everything the Tories and Labour say are lies.
It's not worthless, it's just worth less. The lesson here is, never buy a car with money you don't have.
Didnt you save any energy and maintenance cost?
I have the same car with 185.000 km and there was never replaced any spare part since then. I still have the first brakes. And it saved me about 20.000 € at the filling station.
It also has never seen any oil change..
Yea sure😂
I bought a Tesla m3 RWD outright and if I sold it now, the depreciation hit would be massive. However, I planned on keeping it for 8 years and over that time, the lack of servicing and 2p/mile for electric running costs, plus a lack of VED over the first 4 years, will help offset the purchase price against an ICE car with similar tech, performance and spec.
Our local Council have Bins for the disposal of Electrical equipment and Bins for old Batteries and CD's. Lol.
@@ivortoad cool story bro
Tyres…?
@@DeanandLisa1803 didn't say how many miles maybe never needed tyres
@@DeanandLisa1803 Tyres same as electric use at another 2p/mile but they’re no different to an equivalent ICE car, so an equivalent cost, hence why I didn’t mention it
EVs are trash and absolutely horrible for the environment. Period
Wrong. An Australian 2 petrol car household will spend a massive $84,000 with operating and maintenance costs over 20 years. Moreover, 86 tonnes of CO2 will be emitted as well. This explains why most Australians are considering an EV for their future new car purchase as the financial savings, efficiency gains and ease of use benefits are truly huge. You cannot beat zero dollars and zero emissions.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b You do realise your coming across as a bit of a knob here, in australia this, in australia that, trying to shout down anyone who dares question the whole EV religion.........nobody gives a rats arse about what happens in australia, thats why we sent all our convicts over there !
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b I guess you would be cutting it down to 60 tonnes of CO2. According to the DCCEEW in a press release this past February, "Most of Australia's energy relies on traditional sources - non-renewable fossil fuels. Coal and gas accounted for around 70% of electricity generation in 2021." EVs have advantages, but reducing CO2 emissions to any significant extent is not one of them. (BTW - same here in the USA: 59% from coal and gas.)
@@flagmichael It depends on the vehicle type and usage assumptions. Those with older, less efficient cars and drive more will be polluting even more. Yes, phasing out petrol cars has a significant effect on emission reductions, especially when it comes to public health outcomes where 7 million people die worldwide each year due to pollution. The Australian Capital Territory (ACT), and especially the state of Tasmania, have been relying exclusively on renewable energy sources for many years now. The rest of the country will completely transition to renewables by the 2030s. Many Australians households are net carbon neutral as they have rooftop solar power, whereby most of the electricity they produce is consumed by the wider public.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3bBS😊
A good honest review.
£14k is about the same as Australia for an Ioniq, around $25-30k Aus.
What year is it? Is it the 28kWh battery I'm assuming with 210km range.
Battery cars are RUBBISH!! PERIOD. All of them.
No,.they are not.
@@prophetsnake Yes, they blooming well are.
@@matthewgodwin3050 No ,they are not. You make a really compelling argument though. Master orator or master something, anyhow.
@@prophetsnake They cost more to buy, more to insure, and more to repair. They have short ranges, and long recharge times. It costs twice as much to charge an EV on the public charging network than it costs to buy diesel. Residuals are terrifying, they're a disaster for the environment, and they have a nasty habit of catching fire. Sounds pretty rubbish to me.
@@matthewgodwin3050 No they donot. With. trail of lies like tht you hav a great future in politics, though.
The Scam that is EVs.
I don't want a car that can be tracked by the manufacturer. I don't want a car that the manufacturer can remotely update. I don't want a car that gathers data about me. I wouldn't buy a car that will become worthless when the first battery issue appears. I also don't want a car that might burn my house down. Lithium ion was not the right battery tech to use in cars. It's too expensive and too much of a fire risk. I'll stick with my 15 year old Honda which has never cost me a cent beyond standard servicing.
Watched a video the other day. $156,000 Mercedes EV from 2023 with almost no miles. Current trade in value is $67K. I'm looking forward to seeing some sub-10K EV's coming down.
Hundreds of thousands people regret buying EVs and are trying to sell them. It's very hard to sell a New EV let alone a Used one. Nobody wants the hassle and inconvenience
Funny that I have not experienced the so called inconvenience that you are referring to.
EV'S SUCK!!!!
I'm a board member of a credit union in the U.S. We have taken huge losses on 1 or 2 year old Tesla's that have dropped over 50% in value in so short a time that we now require a 50% down payment and at least tier 2 credit. we would rather not finance them at all lf truth be known. the ones that we have had to repo we can't sell for anything close to whats owed on them. we send them to auction and write the rest off. EV's are a joke and a very bad investment. Buy a Jeep wrangler or a chevy truck. they hold value like mad. I own both.
" It's not fair "...you want to save the Planet, you have to " pay your fair share ".
When you were going through the purchase process did you not question the longevity of EVs? They are virtually disposable just as your mobile phone is. Despite what the press and EVangelists say. Terrible situation to be in. This is the future? Hope not.
You will own nothing and be happy
That's what jumping into the bandwagon gets you.
EV fanboys 😂