We've bought Clarkson's favourite hatchback for just £1700 - How bad can it be?
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- Опубліковано 20 січ 2024
- Jeremy Clarkson always waxed lyrical about a certain Alfa Romeo hatchback during the Top Gear era, and Mike Fernie has found a super cheap one on Facebook Marketplace. The goal? To make it the driver's car it should always have been.
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I love my 147 GTA here in Canada. The Busso is truly a work of art.
Loved this video and I loved the video of the busso.
Crazy but cool idea maybe, what about converting it to 4wd?
Nonsense
I like the jab at Alex about misidentifying the engine😂
Noticed that too and laughed, then laughed again when Mike called it the near side right coil/spring at 12:18
Yeah its not a real Busso. Its a an Alloytec from Holden YUCK
I could have sworn it was only a couple of years ago I was watching the Brera on Top Gear against the TT and RX-8. I refuse to believe it was in fact over 15 years ago and I'm definitely not entering my late 30s now
It will get worse. The older you get, the faster time seems to fly… ✌️
Ditto 😆
time to get the care home room booked gramps!!
I'm 42, it's been 20 years since I followed Top Gear. I would wait for 8pm on Sunday for Final Gear to upload the torrents since we didn't get TG in America.
And you can get all 3 cars for quite cheap now, not just the Alfa. Maybe they should do a reunion? If of course they can find a working RX-8.
Note: I love the RX-8, but even I'll admit it has reliability issues.
I got a stupidly cheap 2007 Brera Spider 5 pot diesel last year with a "small" oil leak. Two warnings - the oil pump is not available ANYWHERE and I currently have the last new gasket in the UK after spending weeks trying to track one down.
The oil pickup mesh had disintegrated and trashed the oil pump then thrown the contents up into the engine.
Luckily I have a second engine with a working pump that I'm fitting currently.
I would advise you check the subframe (they're over £1500 second hand in good condition), get it welded up, shot blasted and powder coated and then get the pan off and check the bearings and oil pump/pickup as soon as you can as a preventative so you don't end up in the same situation!
Good luck Mike! 🤞🏻
odd, as its a pretty common engine , Fiat had cars with it and the 159 sold very well so there are plenty 2.4 on the road still.
Love the collaboration with the Auto Sportivo chaps . They’re hilarious and genuinely nice people. Be great to see their channel get a boost it deserves
factory ,builted for brera in italy is abadoned
Putting this comment here, like it so there’s no spoilers for the video.
That dosnt work on mobile now
Knew it would be an Alfa
I love that you guys do normal cars, you could be doing stuff way out of reach for most people but you keep everything grounded I'm sure a lot of younger people will be inspired by these builds
They took the greatest engine ever made, the Alfa v6 and put a general motors 3.2 v6 in it. Mental
Alfa had a little tweak with it and upped the bhp. Don't know about other power or ratio figures.
But as a Brera 3.2 owner, I can honestly say I love this engine & car combo!
Busso didn't meet Euro 5 sadly.
That’s EU regulations for you as its best 😂
Source: Trust me bro 🤡
@@MdvK13979 The block is General Motors (Holden) but the head was mad from scratch from alfa. The top hp one had 260, but a lot of people complained it felt much slower, in fact at medium on a dyno they clock at 220... but whit a little tune, a more open exhaust and a better intake it can easy go past 260. "Unfortunately" it's quite an heavy girl, 1.6 tons... but if u go check mk4 supra weight is actually at 1.6 . Is a strange mix between a sport's car and a gt. U can enjoy corners, bit ull never take them as fast as a fully fledge sports car, but u got the long rides comfort, so yeah. This is a car for a niche of people, who don't mind some broke stuff and electrical errors 😂😂
I must have watched a little too many Top Gear episodes not to expect a piano from the sky...
This was my dream car in college. Unfortunately it never made it to the USA, but I spent hours on their website looking through specs and options. I wanted the diesel engine version with AWD and manual transmission in either this blue or a dark grey. I will be watching this build with immense interest and immeasurable jealousy.
The thing that i like about the Brera and even the 8C is that the design stayed true to the original concept cars, Alfas may be unreliable at times but man do they look beautiful
The concept Brera actually had scissor doors and did look a bit different
@@Lee_Pitcher I almost did mention that lol but what a cooler car the production Brera would have been if it had those!
All show and no go, huh?😂
Honestly, I think the unreliability reputation is somewhat overblown rather than reality. I have a manual 147 since 2010 and it's been solid outside of wear an tear and an abusive Australian sun. It's been as reliable as other cars (Toyota, GM makes etc) that I've owned or friends and relatives have had over the years. That said, I wouldn't buy the first model of any car generally until any kinks have been straightened out.
@@Lanxe yeah I guess it depends on the model tbf I've heard that certain models are reliable if kept maintained well
Finally an Alfa Romeo on the channel.
I had the modified 210 bhp version. Chiptuning to 250 bhp with 500 nm torque. Man that Brera was fast!!! Loved that beauty!!!
This was a car I genuinely wanted back when I was younger, and you've just unlocked a level of nostalgia I didn't know I had. Again I find myself wanting a Brera, and I think I need it too ;)
Having owned a bera for 3 years and 60,000 miles I can tell you that a cheap brera will be expensive. Mine was very reliable but the small parts that did break were ridiculous prices. £200 for a window switch, £300 for a regulator, £450 per side for tail lights that will eventually condensate
That's the thing with Alfas...there's a reason they are cheap usually to buy. I had a very well maintained Alfa GT 1.9 during only 1 year and a half and every month I found some new thing wrong with it. And as you say, parts/maintenance is expensive (belt to be replaced every 3 years? I'm guessing on this 2.4 also), they break often and some parts you cannot even find, as these cars get older and there aren't many of them around. Ended up selling it and buying an MX-5 NC - nothing wrong so far, and more fun on mountain roads where I use it most. Alfa was a beautiful car and nice to drive on motorways, I loved it, but peace of mind beats looks all day 😃
£200 for the wimdow switch? That must be the passengers? Driver door ones have become so rare to find one where the mirrors actually work and even the broken ones were £400 when I wanted one. I love Brera's I really do but what I dislike strongly is Alfa Romeo's production of spare parts ending after 6 minutes of building the cars. I was lucky in my ownership but that's likely ebcause I never drove it. Using a Brera daily is a risky venture lol
The same with cheap 916s (Spider). They are usually pretty reliable, but mine was kind of a barn find (parked for 10 years) and there are a lot of small issues. Steering rack 1300€, cw boots 400€, rear badge 150€,cam position sensor with installation 600€... don't buy a cheap Alfa. Pay a little more for a nice one
@@plxton it was drivers side a few years ago now, I ended up buying a secondhand passenger one and stripping it to repair my drivers side one
Funny thing you’re featuring this because I just started doing my once every five year deep dive and rewatching of classic Top Gear moments and adventures lol. I’m on the fence about the rear styling here
My first car in South Africa in 1996 was a 1983 model Alfa Sud 1.5 Superhatch...it was given to me with a broken engine (cambelt failure equaled bent valves)...it had been standing for 5 years when I took possession of her (I named her "Delorus")
It took me nearly a year to re-do the interior myself and save up the money to get her resprayed and get an engine transplant...all in all it was cheaper than buying a new car back then...
I drove her for 2 years...she was temperamental (wouldn`t start after a Johannesburg afternoon thunderstorm, she would during, but not after for some strange reason) but so much fun to drive and throw around corners, she got myself and a few friends to college to get my qualification in Graphic Design...I sold her for R3000.00 in 1999 and still miss her...
1:38 was waiting for some shade thrown Alex' way, didn't take long 👌
I had one of these for just over a year, I needed an economical car but didn't want something boring. Looked gorgeous and had a diesel engine with character. And it was great on long journeys, so comfortable and was surprisingly economical despite the engine size, would definitely have another one
absolutely love this, my dad used to have a 159 with that same engine. he had a wizard exhaust on it so it sounded really good for a diesel. please make sure you change the tacky black badges, and either the 19 inch pro drives, 19 inch 159 ti wheels or even 18 inch 5 hole wheels would really set the car off
Get in touch - have complete brand new suspension for Brera 2.4 5 cyl (KW3, all new OEM suspension bolts, drop links, poly bushes etc).
Refurbished 20" Alfa wheels with new tyres etc
First thing I would recommend doing is changing the suspension to a set of KW or Bilstein coilovers. Transforms the handling.
Because yours is a 2007 model (referred to as pre-facelift) it doesn't feature any of the weight saving changes that the Brera underwent around 2008/2009 when the Prodrive model was introduced. What lots of people aren't aware of is that the Prodrive weight savings were applicable to all facelift Breras, not just the Brera S. For example, the later cars had aluminium suspension uprights instead of steel.
FYI, a big weakness of the 2.4 jtdm is the heads cracking. There appears to be a shortage of second hand heads in circulation now too.
I'm from the US and was never really exposed to Alfa's until recent years. I will agree, this has one of the best rear ends of any hatchback. I'm very excited to see where this car ends up. I would love ripping this thing around some English country roads. Please, post more soon!
They've made some fantastic cars over the years, but have managed to remain fairly niche globally. Rest assured, there's lots more content to come with this one, including ripping it around some English country roads! 😉
I saw the silhouette and knew it was a Brera. I used this a lot in Forza 3
Im actually so excited for this, a lot of people dont give the proper opportunity to alfas due to bad reputation but as any other car all it takes is for people look after their cars. Ive owned ffom a GT, a 147 Q2 sport, now owning 2x giuliettas (petrol and diesel) and honestly for you to be a petrolhead you need go own one! Cant wait for whats to come!
I Adore this car thats why i own one, a 2011 Brera ti 1750 tbi in black. Its not exactly fast , but it makes me feel special every single time
Just yesterday I saw one in Canada (I'm in the US) for 14 K Canadian so to me 1700 is not bad. We never got this car here in the US and for years it has been my favorite hatch. Can't wait to see the end result. Great video.
Gorgeous car. As a former Alfa owner I love this. Will follow this project with as much passion that any Alfa deserves.
This, along the 159, is the best looking modern Alfa. 4C, 8C don't even come close imo. And yes, I definitely recognized it from the silhouette in the thumbnail.
I don't like the 4C it's trying too much, but man, the 8C is art on wheels in my opinion. Also, out of the Brera/159/Spider group, i think the Spider looks the best. With the top down ofc, top up it ruins it a bit.
Prodrive solved this problem already. The Brera S. Just find the diff, suspension and steering bits off of that. Or get upgrade parts for an S.
Had the subframe issues with mine! Had it welded and powder coated. Another nice modification that's cheap is the dynamic sweeping indicator side lights. Look forward to seeing more of this!
This car is beautiful and that 5-cylinder diesel is great. Stoked for the tribe to have this car and be planning to restore/update it. Cool!
For the 159-family cars it's either the 1.8L turbo petrol or the turbo diesels above 1.9L
The platform is so heavy that Fiat Corse (former Abarth) canned thr 159 touring car project after they couldn't meddle with suspension geometry far enough to make it corner properly. A V8 engined 159 GTAm was tested on a mule but who knows how that drives
I had 156 and 159. 159 was way, waaaaay worse car. It was pointlessly heavy, especially in the front. It was too long and never felt right on any type of roads.
@@unlearningcommunism4742 unfortunately that platform was developed at Saab with an eye on the American market, but it only went under Alfa Romeos, as Saab, Cadillac, Opel and Buick chose the epsilon instead, and luckily the MK3 Delta was diverted to the Fiat C2 platform
Love the new project, and a fan of the Diesel 5cyl choice too. I’m looking forward to the progress updates on this one
Thanks for watching, we're glad you approve! There's plenty more to come on this one.
Had this engine in a 156 Sportwagon. It was a cracking revvy good sounding engine for a diesel. As mentioned it is pretty light and so handled well. One issue I had was with how low the sump was - it was like a sacrificial plate on humps which unfortunately it was not designed to be. Ground through two of them. Looked at the Brera around 10 years ago but was warned off due to the number of unique parts on it that did not match anything else in the range and cost a fortune to replace
I had a 159 with the 2.4 JTDM engine….it was a brilliant car. Loved it
You can’t be a true petrolhead until you’ve owned an Alfa Romeo
It's pure cuore sportivo.
...dieselhead
Or a dieselhead in this case ?
Clarkson has pretty much no interest in Drivetribe.... Unfortunately 🙄
And i need to own one....the search has started
Definitely the best engine! Had one in my 159 at stage 1 - close to 300hp and also 60MPG! The sound from the engine at full chat was amazing! Also was my second most reliable car I've had! I miss my 159!
A 50% power gain from an engine known to be already pretty close to it's limits is a fantasy I'm afraid. Most "Stage 1 init" tunes get a 30-40bhp gain on these engines.
@@asimmalik6378 You don't know what you're talking about mate!
A Gus re-map with supporting mods easily 280, probably more
@@stemlegends2986 "Supporting mods" is not stage 1 pal
@@asimmalik6378 I wouldn't ever just go for a remap, without changing the breathing and at least a few other mods, EGR, DPF etc. I always thought of it as stage 1, as i didnt upgrade the turbo etc - plus the only diesel I've ever tuned so maybe stage 1.5 😂
Couldn't have gone anywhere but to Ant for this. Genuinely the nicest human in the world and the only person I can say 100% that I'd trust with my car.
I had one of these for a few years, the 5 cylinder diesel in Alfa red, although nearly bought a black V6 Prodrive. I loved it and thought it was a great torquey engine if a bit heavy at the front. I had to replace the water pump but otherwise had no problems. You have made me feel better that I didn’t get the v6 now, thanks!
Always went for the Brera when starting Need for speed Carbon.
Wow nostalgia kicking in there
I bet around 50% of American cars currently on the road would fail a UK MOT inspection.
oh ofc, my straight piped celica would never make it through
50% might be a stretch
Yay love these! Almost bought one this summer. You have a great plan ahead, can’t wait to see the updates!
The Brera Prodrive 2.2 is oddly, the best of the bunch. It only has a 4-Cyl and FWD, but is also the lightest and sweetest handling. The V6 AWD models are heavy, sluggish and uninspiring for anyone who actually wants a sporty drive.
Sorry, the 1750 turbo engine was the best in the Brera.
@@giacomomarin2053 Maybe the 1750t is the best engine as a unit on it's own... but as a whole package, it was the 2.2 Twin Spark that ProDrive tuned for the UK market, officially sold from Alfa dealerships. Because ProDrive did a complete setup from the engine to the chassis/suspension and brakes as a completely balanced car.
Put the gtv v6 3L in that and you have a legend
Now this is gonna be a great series ❤
i agree that this is probably the prettiest hatch out there. i daily a Golf, the daddy, with a vr6, but every time i see a brara, i always hurt my neck turning all the way around! looking forward to the outcome of this project
Hi from Sydney. I had a 2008 red Brera a couple of years ago but had to sell it as a relatives empty garage was no longer available to keep it. It was the base model JTS 4 cyl petrol and no rocket ship but still lovely to drive. I regret selling it every day. When new it would have cost A$65K which would have got you three Toyotas Corollas! So no wonder they didn’t sell many. I will be watching this series with interest to see how it turns out.
Lancia Delta HF Integrale is a better looking hatchback 🤷🏻♂️
do a Dyno run before and after so we can see all the improvements
The engine to have on this platform is the Turbo Benzina 1.75 TBI. Yes, the 2.4 will have more torque but it's about 150 kg more on the front axle and adds up to an already heavy platform (and it's a diesel!).
It will understeer like crazy compared to the TBI which is a fantastic engine. That's why the TBI's hold their values. A Brera TBI is about 15k euro, but it's worth it.
Looking forward to seeing where this goes. But just wanna point out, you noticed the trim by headlights missing. But failed to notice that the trim for surrounding the fog lights is also missing too. And that 5 pot diesel maybe a rogue fuel choice but even standard they're fairly pokey. As my aunt owns one too also in the same blue
100% correct engine choice Mike. Looking forward to seeing it's progress. Definitely try and get the tan interior though.
I've been parted with my Brera for 6 months now and I don't think I'll ever stop regretting it. I think I spend more time looking at it than actually driving it!
For once, I'm completely onboard with EVERY suggestion you've made for this. Color definitely needs a respray, but don't change it or metal-flake it or whatever. The alloys are going to look amazing, especially with new rubber, and your plan for the interior should look completely appropriate for Project (BLEEP!), so well done, you guys! 😎
I know this engine from the 156. It had "only" 175hp there, but that was already enough to have a lot of fun! My very first time ever going fast in a car was with this engine in a 156. I was 18 years old and borrowed the car from my father to meet with friends. And I was lucky, because it was a warm saturday evening and I had 50km of an empty german Autobahn ahead of me. And because the car had a good handling and feedback, I quickly trusted it and felt safe going fast. That was the best situation to drive 180-200kmh for the first time in my life! :)
The 159 is a stunner, the brera is a bit of a turkey. The wheelbase, overhangs, doors are all out of proportion and it has a proper saggy arse. The 159 fixes all of those problems, but needs Ti trim to be right.
Thoroughly disagree, the Brera is the better looking one imo.
Agreed, the comedically ginormous overhangs just make it look all wrong I'm afraid and ruin the whole look they were trying to achieve.
The 159 has the same overhang... they are based on each other and the front is nearly the same. That does the FWD for you. A shame that Alfa went this route in the 90s and 00s.
But yeah, for a FWD base, these look both very cool. And I was always more a fan of the 159, rather than the Brera.
Everyone always say this is like the prettiest car in history, and then there's me who thinks it's an absolute pig 😂
These car videos love saying that about almost any car that has some interest in it. Most people would not think this car is that great looking. I personally think it looks nice, but definitely nothing special.
I had a 2.4 Brera - gorgeous and intoxicating to look at but the 'it doesn't drive as well as it looks' is right in my opinion. To get mine right, it needed a lot of new parts, I stopped counting when the parts spent went past £1,300. I spent a lot of time rust-protecting the front subframe. I believe the best Brera is the 1.8 TBI - offered very late in the production run and very few in number. One day...
Well done guys, I love the Brera and agree that the best engine to have is the 2.4 diesel. Am looking forward to seeing it all tidied up. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
My favorite part in this video is how it has nothing to do with Clarkson, but you've gone ahead and included him in the thumbnail anyway. Bravo!
Pretty sure clarksons a shareholder
I like some of the content you guys are doing.
But putting Jeremy Clarkson on the thumbnail, titling the video and specifically mentioning Clarkson, and then him never actually showing up in the video is well... dishonest at best and nefarious at worse.
Do better.
drove one at launch and so wanted to love it after owning two Busso engined Alfas. Drove the (standard) diesel which made awful noises when prodded. The handling was uninspiring, no real steering feel or noticeable feel through the seat of my pants. Still gorgeous inside and out.
Turns out it was a pig in knickers.
Really interested in this series as I'm in the market for one and am interested in how much power you can get out of the 2.4 diesel
this gonna go against taylor?
So basically, you put Jemery's photo on the thumbnail as a clickbait... classy
Oooo YES ! !! !
I owned a 156 TI 2.4 20v JTDm. She was amazing.... Stage 2 it was Downpipes , Exaust + ECU Tune...
This Brerra , after you make it a unique beauty, you and Hammond must drive it to Diddly Squat Farm , and Jamery must drive it.. OH IT WILL BE A UNIQUE EPISODE .... UNIQUE. Pls do it ...
I have a Brera Pro Drive 2.2. Best car I’ve owned. Real head turner and it’s great to be one of the only people on the area to have one.
....anyone else thinking it'll be Mike Fernie and Autoalex in a boxing ring at some point?
Was looking around to see if anyone else had that thought!
Love everything about this! I'm curious as to what figures we're looking at with a stage 1 kit.
Love it, can't wait to see what you do with it. And what BHP you get.
Mike has come so far as a presenter. This was excellent!
I have come to like how off the beaten trail your auto projects are. I learn something with each one.
Bah... that subframe is because of the crappy UK weather. I have one here in Italy - 18 years old and no rust.
Great video. I want to improve mine a little so look forward to the results you get. Be sure to plan a road trip out here when she's done. I'm 30 mins from Ital Design.
Oh yiiiis, looks great! Cant wait for an update with that beauty
Alfa Multi Valve diesels are just fantastic.
I had bought brand new a special Fiscal detuned 147 in Belgium, which the main dealer took to his mate for a Stage 1 and came back with a big smile on his face. A real rocket. Did 30,000 miles on it with the biggest issue a head light bulb. Far, far faster than the BMW E46 330d convertible that I replaced it with - and far better handling. As for my E Class 350d Merc convertible, it might be quicker on paper but it is a slouch compared to a diesel JTD multi valve Alfa.
I remember I was late for a ferry once, and put my foot down on an empty auto route, and was amazed that I got over 50mpg - how??
Well done - get it fixed, and you will have possibly one of the prettiest cars ever made (although I have a soft spot for the convertible) and a real rocket for a fraction of a German piece of cr*p.
Shame that your not converting it in a 4WD with LSD - it would put an RS4 to shame.
I really love how Drivetribe keeping the culture alive with the trio love it...!
drivetribe is now 100% hamster's
i've always loved the aggressive front on the brera and the 159. i dont think i prefer the brera over the 159, but it is a wonderful looking car
I have one of these!!! I love it so much, but it cut a hole in my bank accout. But it is so worth it when you fire it up and hear that v6 purring (even though it's not a busso). Makes me wanna drive this beauty all day. I'm gonna keep it till the day I die.
Always loved the design of the Brera, I can't wait to see how this reno turns out!
Love it! It's great seeing car resqued like this!
Special reason why I love ALFAs, even on the thumbnail of this video, where the car is only on silhouette, you can recognise it without mistaking it for any other. I wish more cars where like this in past 20 years.
Love it. Love Alfas great to see you bringing one back from near death.
The Brera S Prodrive had the same Idea in 2008 and made an attempt to fixs the handling :)
Alfa !!! Even if it were blown up, it would still be wonderful. I've always had a deep weakness for Alfas...so I can forgive almost anything.
I've always loved the Berea, my father used to say "everyone should own an Alfa Romeo once, just to know how good & bad a car can be at the same time" I've owned a Sud back when I was younger, magnificent little car, Rj in Oz
Great project idea, and lovely to watch an episode without having to suffer product or Hammond's Workshop promotions!
As an owner of 159 I must say that I really don't like back side of Brera. It should be coupe not a hatchback.
Now do all this on a budget, with no workshop facilities and in the UK weather.
This is just a beauty.!!! Can't wait to see the project complete
I own a 2.4 brera 07 reg. It's a beautiful car it will change your life how stunning it is. Warnings, it eats through tyres as it is a heavy motor be ready to change them every 10 months or so. Do not break the window switch as finding a replacement is like trying to find the holy Grail.
The V6 Brera was one of my Forza cars back in the day, can't wait to hear the T5 diesel fire up!
My favourite hot hatch on classic Top Gear was the one-off Polestar C30.
Mike, love the video/upload. When are you and AutoAlex going to run the specced up Jag's? It would be an epic co-production, drag strip, race circuit and a road trip exceeding 1000 miles, what could possibly go wrong?
I own a 159 1.9jtd Ti. Owned it 2y now and its a phenomenal car. Weak spots of these cars are wheel bearings and springs. Both my rear springs snapped and replaced them with eibach prokit springs. Aside a fee minor nicks and scratches the car is fantastic I love it
I've had this engine in my AR 156 (2004), reliable and powerful. And at higher revs, it sounds like roaring lion, loved it.
The 3.2 Litre V6 is a variation of the GM High Feature V6 used in the VZ Holden Commodore and 1st and 2nd Gen Cadillac CTS
I've bought a near-mint 2010 white 1.75 TBi Brera with the light brown leather interior a few months ago. Absolutely beautiful ride, stage 1 took it to 235 BHP. I've always wanted to drive an Alfa once in my lifetime, glad that I was able to grab the Brera, a model I've always loved the look of.
I don't think I'll keep it for long though, I do miss the rear wheel drive I've gotten used to of BMW's over the years, and spare parts of the TBi are relentlessly hard to get
I’ve got the same car and my daily is a Giulia which is rear wheel drive. Sorted!
So this car design wise is very pretty, but for me the sexiest hatchback has to be the Megane IV RS it is just stunning, and it's brilliant to drive. Granted theyre more than £1700 and 10 years newer and shame there is no coupe.
Excellent choice bud👍
Love the design of the Brera but having had a 1750tbi petrol 159 I reckon that’s the sweetest engine - although they don’t come up often so aren’t cheap and also don’t make a good noise really. That diesel packs a nice punch so I reckon you did good. I never drove a JTS V6 but the 2.2 JTS cars feel woefully slow and underpowered and I expect the V6 was disappointing - barring the Pro drive perhaps. Imagine if they’d stuck the 3.2 Busso in the Brera… we can only dream I guess.