ABUS sells Bordo folding locks with several different security levels, just as they sell chains and U-locks of different security levels. The weakest ABUS Bordo folding lock weighs 0.7kg, has unhardened steel bars/links and rated by ABUS as security level 7. The strongest Bordo XPlus 6500K weighs 1.7kg and has hardened steel bars/links and an ABUS security level of 15. You tested a lighter duty Abus model with a grinder but then trashed all ABUS folding locks. Please test the Bordo XPlus 6500K and compare it to the low end ABUS folding lock you already tested.
Thanks for your videos. Really have helped us to choose good locks for our ebikes. Was gonna buy some of the useless bad locks, but decided to watch some of your videos. Cheers!
Thanks for the video. I installed the frame lock and enjoy the speed of locking and unlocking. The only problem with it is that you'd need a separate chain that slots into it, and that's around 1.5kg in total.
Hello - the frame lock doesn't always have the slot for that chain, it's optional, to then attach around an immovable object. Indeed I'm not that keen on the chain, as it has to be wrapped around the seat post, which can then make a rattling noise, or scratch the paintwork.
that frame look looks interesting, never really thought about it as an extra, i always thought they were just built into the euro (dutch) style bikes. i park mine in a low risk place but its always good to have something to make an opportunist look elsewhere. will check out that frame lock you mentioned.
Firstly, great videos. Love them . What brand and type of lock would u recommend for a expensive bike? I see u recommend 2 d locks. I’d be interested to hear u thoughts on best d lock and best chain lock to buy. Cheers mate
Nice video! I had that stereotype that a ring-shape frame lock is one of the easiest to break, still feel suspicious about that thin metal bar though. You mentioned a thief would need to use an angle grinder and cut it twice so close to the frame. But I wonder could they use a bolt cutter instead? Then the cutting would be much faster and less likely to damage the frame. Thanks again for the informative video!
Hello - I found that the bolt cutters just slip off when trying to cut a cylindrical bolt, even if it's hollow. Also it would be difficult to get the blades of the bolt cutters far enough around bolt. And lastly, after using the bolt cutters a few times to do this, the blades become damaged and no longer as sharp.
Those looks are very normal in Denmark and you see them on all bikes. The lock can’t be cut with regular bolt cutters since they slip off. Maby if you have some industrial ones if would work. If you cut the lock in the left side first you will not need to cut it twice since the metal bar is only attached at one side.
Eventually every lock can be cut or picked. Its all about how much effort/ noise you have to make. Like you said if they try to cut your lock with an angle grinder in a crouded location then people will most likely call the police. So imo a good quality folding lock is sufficient for the job. Just make sure to park your bike in sight. You could lock your bike with a thick hardened steel chain at home if you keep your bike there for a longer period of time.
@@DM-sc4zy Police will arrive, on a good day, in 10 minutes. By that time your bike is long gone. Even the Abus Granite ulock plus a frame lock or a disc brake lock will get defeated in that time. That if anyone even bothers. The best attempt would be to have a lock from an alloy that would blunt the cutting discs into unusability. Thief might not have another one on them.
I lost a key for my bike and thinking would a (manual) saw for metal do the job, not on the run hah, so ya ? I have one before last one.. with the ring and all.. Thanks for the video..
Hi - yes it could work if the blade is new-ish - but you may struggle to get a good angle to saw, without damaging the wheel or frame. Remember you can usually unscrew the whole ring from the frame, to move it into a better position to saw through.
What you're waving around is an "angle grinder", not a circular saw! Just the tool, without the battery, is called a "skin" (in Australia). Isn't a "handset" part of a telephone or communication device?
Don't you read comments underneath your videos? When will you learn the difference between circular saw and angle grinder? What you are using is an angle grinder.
That stuff about the cops, I'd think calling in and identifying by name and driver's license number with stating intentions at the place would be enough for them. But assuming the cops don't care I'd say that informing the store where you're locked up by way of the manager (or manageress) with name and ID number just the same would be the smart move along with perhaps having him come out with you so that a Charles Bronson type knows that it's on the up and up and won't kick you in the head when you're chain cutting! Not that having grown guys physically involving themselves against a low down thief is a bad thing at all.
1:25 I mean, if you're going to go to that much effort begging the Government for permission to unlock your own bike destructively, why not just have them come out and do it for you? They have breaching tools that are more than up to the task, and they'd probably love the practice. Down side is you may be more gentle than they would be. Also, saves you all of the expense of purchasing cheap knock-offs of the equipment cops have bought with the taxes extorted from you. 🤷♂
Hi! The frame should come with two holes already in place to screw the lock onto. If you have a back-rack, you could just carry it on the top of that, as a temporary solution.
@@TheCheapBikeChannel OK, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, it does not look like there are any holes on my bicycles for affixing that lock type to though 😕 I guess I could attach it to the bicycle frame with a couple of cable ties. Not super secure, but better than nothing. cheers! JB
@@JohnnyB43 There are some Axa frame locks with additional attachment pieces, I was able to install it on mtb in no time. Very secure. AXA Flex Mount Universal Mounting Kit for Frame Lock
If I had a verry expensive bike or even if I wanted to make it much harder to steal a less expensive one I'd get maybe two or three of the thickest U locks plus try not to leave it alone . A thief looks at one with three locks he might try another one less trouble for him . I've been verry lucky never had one stolen until i left one unlocked ..lol
You mean remove the frame lock if it's not locked? Then it just comes off and you've lost it. I'm not sure what you mean about someone stealing your tyre.
@@TheCheapBikeChannel let's say the frame lock is locked and there are no other locks. if the thief dismounts the lock (it will be still on the tire), can he remove the tire? My focus is not about someone stealing my tire, but if the tire is removed another tire can easily installed in seconds...and yes i know, these are just cafe locks :)
@@zenza7120 Hello - the frame lock goes around the whole wheel and tyre, so no a person couldn't remove the tyre, even if they unscrewed the frame lock and unbolted or used the quick release to remove the whole wheel.
Hi - the lock over the back wheel? A bolt cutter could do it, but there might not be enough space to fit the blades over the lock. If you want to try, get one with as long arms as possible, and put one on the ground, and push down on the other with both hands. I used a handheld grinder to do it... Took around 5 mins
I really think you might be underrating the chains. Even with portable circular saws or angle grinders out there, those links are not going to want to stay in one place when being attacked by cutting; They would bob all over the place. Those at 10mm or 39/100ths" or 3/8ths" are often squared off and have better steel. And they're going to also have to be cut twice to open the link. If they did happen to shatter, which would not be that common, then that might be right in the prick's face!
Why is it seemingly impossible to get back-up copies made of the new generation of flat-rimmed keys and why are only TWO not THREE keys now supplied with almost all locks? Obvious answer: manufacturers want lock-buyers to be forced to buy a whole new lock much more often when they lose a key. And when you only get two keys you simply can't risk using the lock ever again if you lose one of the two keys.
And this is why it's a myth and a UA-cam lie that bike thieves carry around industrial mining equipment in their backpacks and are willing to create massive amount of noise and Sparks in order to steal people's bikes. It's just not happening, they are looking for the easiest Target. Bike thieves are cowards, they do not want to make a lot of noise and draw attention to themselves, the only people doing that are the ones making fake UA-cam videos. Bottom line is that it's far easier to just provide the statistics of how many bikes are stolen with angle grinders then it is to make a video of yourself cutting every known lock on Earth with an angle grinder to terrorize people into buying more bike expensive locks. Now I don't have the statistics in front of me and I haven't looked them up but it'd be really easy to do so, and I would suspect that it's a very very low percentage of bikes that are stolen by someone who used an angle grinder.
Most locks are rated to resist up to large bolt cutters. Not until recently do we have a few options now that are rated against angle grinders. Finally....
A lock that doesn't attach bike to anything might not work - oftentimes bike thieves steal many bikes in a short span of time, just throwing them into the back of a van or smth. (locked or not) If there is only a lock preventing the wheel from moving they can just pick it up and take off :P Different story: once i had a very good lock with multiple layers made of different materials (60 euro lock for a 30 euro bike) attached to a street sign. It took them 2 nights.. :P The first night they got through the outer layers (rubber + metal? shell) but couldn't cut the steel wire inside. I left the bike there again thinking that the lock did its job but the morning after i only found the lock cut through :(
3:06 - only muppets buy a bike worth thousands of euros and then lock it up in public places for people to steal, no debate, end of story. They deserve what they get. 3:14 if you actually train yourself to be minimally strong with a paltry few gym sessions you can carry a 4kg chain and padlock around your shoulders or waist with little inconvenience. So the moral of the video is: don't be an overprivileged consumer of unnecessarily expensive luxury bikes, and secondly dont be a weedy weakling and carry a decent chain on your person.
That is a good question, I have had many bikes and have ebike now, no receipts anywhere, or maybe I do have somewhere in the piles of other receipts we get day in and out in our lives, thankfully down under we do not have this epidemic of thieves. The other day I was visiting a dodgy suburb by aus standards, and at the front of the train station entrance was an unlocked ebike that was new looking, I would not recommend that, but it shows a difference in people and countries. Perhaps the EU may have had an influx of undesirables ?
ABUS sells Bordo folding locks with several different security levels, just as they sell chains and U-locks of different security levels. The weakest ABUS Bordo folding lock weighs 0.7kg, has unhardened steel bars/links and rated by ABUS as security level 7. The strongest Bordo XPlus 6500K weighs 1.7kg and has hardened steel bars/links and an ABUS security level of 15. You tested a lighter duty Abus model with a grinder but then trashed all ABUS folding locks. Please test the Bordo XPlus 6500K and compare it to the low end ABUS folding lock you already tested.
Thanks for your videos. Really have helped us to choose good locks for our ebikes. Was gonna buy some of the useless bad locks, but decided to watch some of your videos. Cheers!
I got really pricey suggestions when looking for ring locks, so thank you!
Thanks for the tips. Paranoid now because im getting a new bike soon!
I would advice you to test the new LITELOK X3 and the Hiplok D1000
Sadly I bought it 3 months ago. At least my bike is still with me. I will buy another one. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the video. I installed the frame lock and enjoy the speed of locking and unlocking. The only problem with it is that you'd need a separate chain that slots into it, and that's around 1.5kg in total.
Hello - the frame lock doesn't always have the slot for that chain, it's optional, to then attach around an immovable object. Indeed I'm not that keen on the chain, as it has to be wrapped around the seat post, which can then make a rattling noise, or scratch the paintwork.
that frame look looks interesting, never really thought about it as an extra, i always thought they were just built into the euro (dutch) style bikes. i park mine in a low risk place but its always good to have something to make an opportunist look elsewhere. will check out that frame lock you mentioned.
Firstly, great videos. Love them . What brand and type of lock would u recommend for a expensive bike? I see u recommend 2 d locks.
I’d be interested to hear u thoughts on best d lock and best chain lock to buy. Cheers mate
Nice video! I had that stereotype that a ring-shape frame lock is one of the easiest to break, still feel suspicious about that thin metal bar though. You mentioned a thief would need to use an angle grinder and cut it twice so close to the frame. But I wonder could they use a bolt cutter instead? Then the cutting would be much faster and less likely to damage the frame. Thanks again for the informative video!
Hello - I found that the bolt cutters just slip off when trying to cut a cylindrical bolt, even if it's hollow. Also it would be difficult to get the blades of the bolt cutters far enough around bolt. And lastly, after using the bolt cutters a few times to do this, the blades become damaged and no longer as sharp.
Those looks are very normal in Denmark and you see them on all bikes. The lock can’t be cut with regular bolt cutters since they slip off. Maby if you have some industrial ones if would work. If you cut the lock in the left side first you will not need to cut it twice since the metal bar is only attached at one side.
A Dremel tool works well for cutting the metal ring.
If I see someone cutting bike locks with circular saw, I would definately know he's from your subscribers. 😂👊🏼
Eventually every lock can be cut or picked. Its all about how much effort/ noise you have to make. Like you said if they try to cut your lock with an angle grinder in a crouded location then people will most likely call the police. So imo a good quality folding lock is sufficient for the job. Just make sure to park your bike in sight. You could lock your bike with a thick hardened steel chain at home if you keep your bike there for a longer period of time.
people will most likely call the police - depending on where you are. it might be highly unlikely or not likely.
@@DM-sc4zy Police will arrive, on a good day, in 10 minutes. By that time your bike is long gone. Even the Abus Granite ulock plus a frame lock or a disc brake lock will get defeated in that time.
That if anyone even bothers.
The best attempt would be to have a lock from an alloy that would blunt the cutting discs into unusability. Thief might not have another one on them.
I lost a key for my bike and thinking would a (manual) saw for metal do the job, not on the run hah, so ya ?
I have one before last one.. with the ring and all..
Thanks for the video..
Hi - yes it could work if the blade is new-ish - but you may struggle to get a good angle to saw, without damaging the wheel or frame. Remember you can usually unscrew the whole ring from the frame, to move it into a better position to saw through.
It is an Angle Grinder not a circular saw
It's called a Grinder.
What you're waving around is an "angle grinder", not a circular saw!
Just the tool, without the battery, is called a "skin" (in Australia). Isn't a "handset" part of a telephone or communication device?
Thanks for the video! Which Abus frame lock do you think is the best?
None of them! =) The Axa Victory is supposed to be harder to break. It costs around 35 euros amzn.to/3TvroVX
Don't you read comments underneath your videos? When will you learn the difference between circular saw and angle grinder? What you are using is an angle grinder.
Did you break any Abus 15.000 Bordo?
Hi - i dont know that product code, perhaps its specific to your region?
Fabien Barthez lookalike. Good video, by the way 👍🏻
Hi - I've also had comments comparing me to Jeff Bezos and Johnny Sins (an 'adult' film actor - I had to google who he was =))
@@TheCheapBikeChannel 🤝
That stuff about the cops, I'd think calling in and identifying by name and driver's license number with stating intentions at the place would be enough for them. But assuming the cops don't care I'd say that informing the store where you're locked up by way of the manager (or manageress) with name and ID number just the same would be the smart move along with perhaps having him come out with you so that a Charles Bronson type knows that it's on the up and up and won't kick you in the head when you're chain cutting! Not that having grown guys physically involving themselves against a low down thief is a bad thing at all.
1:25 I mean, if you're going to go to that much effort begging the Government for permission to unlock your own bike destructively, why not just have them come out and do it for you? They have breaching tools that are more than up to the task, and they'd probably love the practice. Down side is you may be more gentle than they would be. Also, saves you all of the expense of purchasing cheap knock-offs of the equipment cops have bought with the taxes extorted from you. 🤷♂
Also, if you want to avoid randoms beating you up for unlocking your own bike, why not try... not being an 8 stone nerdy weakling? Join a gym
Hi, can the frame locks be fitted to mountain bikes? Or are they only suitable for city bicycles?
cheers
JB
Hi! The frame should come with two holes already in place to screw the lock onto. If you have a back-rack, you could just carry it on the top of that, as a temporary solution.
@@TheCheapBikeChannel OK, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, it does not look like there are any holes on my bicycles for affixing that lock type to though 😕
I guess I could attach it to the bicycle frame with a couple of cable ties.
Not super secure, but better than nothing.
cheers!
JB
@@JohnnyB43 There are some Axa frame locks with additional attachment pieces, I was able to install it on mtb in no time. Very secure.
AXA Flex Mount Universal Mounting Kit for Frame Lock
OK thanks for the info @@erakkovaatainen148 👍
A good Grinder will call you over a hundred dollars!
If I had a verry expensive bike or even if I wanted to make it much harder to steal a less expensive one I'd get maybe two or three of the thickest U locks plus try not to leave it alone . A thief looks at one with three locks he might try another one less trouble for him . I've been verry lucky never had one stolen until i left one unlocked ..lol
You don't have to outrun the bear, just the person next to you =)
What country do you live in not the USA!
what happens someone tries to uninstall frame lock with allen keys and remove the tire?
You mean remove the frame lock if it's not locked? Then it just comes off and you've lost it. I'm not sure what you mean about someone stealing your tyre.
@@TheCheapBikeChannel let's say the frame lock is locked and there are no other locks. if the thief dismounts the lock (it will be still on the tire), can he remove the tire? My focus is not about someone stealing my tire, but if the tire is removed another tire can easily installed in seconds...and yes i know, these are just cafe locks :)
@@zenza7120 Hello - the frame lock goes around the whole wheel and tyre, so no a person couldn't remove the tyre, even if they unscrewed the frame lock and unbolted or used the quick release to remove the whole wheel.
@@TheCheapBikeChannel thanks! i will relook at my bike and the frame lock! I appreciate!
Hi Mate, I recently lost my keys for my back pock and now need to break it myself, would a bolt cutter do the job and if so, what size?
Hi - the lock over the back wheel? A bolt cutter could do it, but there might not be enough space to fit the blades over the lock. If you want to try, get one with as long arms as possible, and put one on the ground, and push down on the other with both hands. I used a handheld grinder to do it... Took around 5 mins
Hiplok D1000.
you're welcome.
Can you mount frame locks on e-bike like fiido X?
Hello - no, there needs to be two specific holes on the back part of the frame to attach the lock to.
I really think you might be underrating the chains. Even with portable circular saws or angle grinders out there, those links are not going to want to stay in one place when being attacked by cutting; They would bob all over the place. Those at 10mm or 39/100ths" or 3/8ths" are often squared off and have better steel. And they're going to also have to be cut twice to open the link. If they did happen to shatter, which would not be that common, then that might be right in the prick's face!
Why is it seemingly impossible to get back-up copies made of the new generation of flat-rimmed keys and why are only TWO not THREE keys now supplied with almost all locks?
Obvious answer: manufacturers want lock-buyers to be forced to buy a whole new lock much more often when they lose a key.
And when you only get two keys you simply can't risk using the lock ever again if you lose one of the two keys.
I covered the cost and more of my angle grinder on the first bike I stole using it 😆
Joker!
Bike theives look for easy targets.
And this is why it's a myth and a UA-cam lie that bike thieves carry around industrial mining equipment in their backpacks and are willing to create massive amount of noise and Sparks in order to steal people's bikes. It's just not happening, they are looking for the easiest Target. Bike thieves are cowards, they do not want to make a lot of noise and draw attention to themselves, the only people doing that are the ones making fake UA-cam videos.
Bottom line is that it's far easier to just provide the statistics of how many bikes are stolen with angle grinders then it is to make a video of yourself cutting every known lock on Earth with an angle grinder to terrorize people into buying more bike expensive locks. Now I don't have the statistics in front of me and I haven't looked them up but it'd be really easy to do so, and I would suspect that it's a very very low percentage of bikes that are stolen by someone who used an angle grinder.
Most locks are rated to resist up to large bolt cutters. Not until recently do we have a few options now that are rated against angle grinders. Finally....
such as ? any ring lock rated likewise ?
most call that an angle grinder :)
@Lizard Wizard lmao
Yeah, it's amazing how hard it is to take him seriously when he is only getting the name of the tool wrong.
Give us the solution then :)
A lock that doesn't attach bike to anything might not work - oftentimes bike thieves steal many bikes in a short span of time, just throwing them into the back of a van or smth. (locked or not) If there is only a lock preventing the wheel from moving they can just pick it up and take off :P
Different story: once i had a very good lock with multiple layers made of different materials (60 euro lock for a 30 euro bike) attached to a street sign. It took them 2 nights.. :P The first night they got through the outer layers (rubber + metal? shell) but couldn't cut the steel wire inside. I left the bike there again thinking that the lock did its job but the morning after i only found the lock cut through :(
@Test Uk Im not really sure - I got it with the bike :P
Thats why many locks have a plug in chain as extra.
Man, you should show while you cut it - not just bla bla...
That's a cordless grinder, not a circular saw, no one could ever break a bike lock with a circular saw 😅😂🤣
they could if they find or made an abrasive disc for it :) but may be a tad slow but you would look like a pro ....he he
It’s an angle grinder not a circular saw 🙄🙄🙄
3:06 - only muppets buy a bike worth thousands of euros and then lock it up in public places for people to steal, no debate, end of story. They deserve what they get.
3:14 if you actually train yourself to be minimally strong with a paltry few gym sessions you can carry a 4kg chain and padlock around your shoulders or waist with little inconvenience.
So the moral of the video is: don't be an overprivileged consumer of unnecessarily expensive luxury bikes, and secondly dont be a weedy weakling and carry a decent chain on your person.
surely a bike theif cant use a angle grinder on a trian station platorm secretyl
a lot of bikes in your garage... suspicious
I've got receipts for all of them.
@@TheCheapBikeChannel sure you have, what about that fancy circular saw & battery ??? ;-))
Get to the money shot kojak.. jeeso !
I figure if the thieves are out stealing bikes, you can rest assured they are stealing the grinders/circular saws, batteries etc. as well!
Too bad you don't know what tool that is 😁
who the heck has a receipt for their bike?
Me, in case the police do an inspection of my garage =)
That is a good question, I have had many bikes and have ebike now, no receipts anywhere, or maybe I do have somewhere in the piles of other receipts we get day in and out in our lives, thankfully down under we do not have this epidemic of thieves. The other day I was visiting a dodgy suburb by aus standards, and at the front of the train station entrance was an unlocked ebike that was new looking, I would not recommend that, but it shows a difference in people and countries. Perhaps the EU may have had an influx of undesirables ?
Did you test Hiplock D1000?
Not yet - they are out of stock! It's on my to-do list =)