I think this proves that frame locks are still pretty annoying for thieves. Theyll need multiple tools and know how, only then will it take 2 minutes. Frame lock plus a d lock and chain, the thieves move on unless your bike is parked in the same spot all the time and worth 1k and upwards
@@littleripper312angle grinder gets through the fahgettaboudit in less than a minute. litelok x1 is the cheapest you can get that will take about 3 or 4 minutes
Interesting video, thank you. Yes, these wheel locks are good to leave a bike alone for a few minutes at best. But use in conjuction with solid u-lock could be a different story. Two locks unlike each other requires two different strategies from a potential thief and make everything at least twice as long, making everything much harder to stole. Wheel lock can travel with you all the time, u-lock also if you have a frame holder.
Thanks for your tips! I lost my AXA keys. Left my Dutch Oma chained for several days in hope of finding my keys. Car mechanic cut through AXA wheel lock, followed your tips precisely. It took him approx. 15min. He used screwdriver to dislodge it and an angle grinder. It was quite tricky. It is a very good lock and unfortunately I have to buy it again.
Hey thanks for the video, I know this is an old thread but I was wondering to take that AXS lock completely off is it just a matter of removing those Allen bolts. I'm waiting for delivery of my new bike and that is the first thing that I want to take off. I don't lock it outside of stores or cafes. So just wondering if it's relatively easy to take the whole unit off. I will have the key. Thank you in advance
Yeah, these little locks are really convenient. They don´t add a lot of weight and it is great to always have a lock with you. I´m not sure how easy they are to install though or if they can be installed e.g. on a mountain bicycle or not - which so far has put me off buying one. Also, they only can be installed for the rear wheel I think, which is a pity, because you usually have your U-Lock there anyway. cheers JB
Yes there is a possibility to amount it on a mountainbike and if you use a side chainlock then you can secure it to a Obstacle. Unfortunately in the Netherlands they have tools to break these locks open without afford.
Sorry, question, "the other one" you had to cut twice? Which one is that? I'm shopping around for cafe / frame / ring locks and yours are the best videos around!
@@TheCheapBikeChannel Thank you sir! What you said about a bolt needing to be grinded from BOTH ends really opened my eyes on the subject, and I began to pay close attention to all of these different locks on the market. And you know what I noticed? Hardly any specs are given. I come from the tech industry and if they were to put out these types of products without giving specs, everyone would be skeptical. Considering lock technology is the number one product that ensures a bike cannot be stolen, to me it means it is probably the most important component of a bike. As biking increases in importance for urban planning and transportation, information will become of key importance. I think an entire review series on frame locks would be worthwhile. It looks like you'll be the man to do it! Should put a crowdfund together to buy a batch and analyze each of these one by one!
@@LuficariusRatspeed Hello! Yes you're right - there isn't standardised information about the security level of locks - it seems to go 1-6, 1-15, AAA, Gold Silver etc. I thought you were suggesting designing and manufacturing our own type of frame lock, that can clip onto the back frame, doesn't need the holes to be screwed in, and can't be so easily cut through. Sounds like a BIG project though =) Where are you based buddy?
@@TheCheapBikeChannel I don't know nearly enough about metalworking to attempt making my own bike lock, but you never know. I'm in the US on the west coast. Most frame locks are not available in the US; I have seen several maker limited only to EU markets. It would be interesting to make a table of frame lock attributes, listing such things as how far the bolts insert into the opposing jacket, how thick the bolts are, what alloy they're composed of, how thick the jackets are, what material the jackets are made of, is the jacket made of front and back piece?, how are those pieces fastened to each other?, what type of lock is used (because different locks are easier to pick), frame compatibility, what type of port is used for attached chain, any additional features they offer, etc. Then for smartlocks, what tech they use, are they solar-powered, are they hackable, what operating system they run on, etc, etc. The "security level," I compare to how a computer power supply has an "efficiency rating" but that barely covers the specifics. Power supplies are supposed to go through rigorous testing before shipped, and several turn out to be duds. Would be curious what standards the industry goes by. When it seems any company can brand a lock, ship it overseas with nothing more than a "it's good enough for insurance purposes," it seems there could be a lot of room for market manipulation. A simple thing like a bolt sliding thoroughly enough into a jacket could mean all the difference. Linka, I think is the worst example, as their bolt barely inserts, and the jacket is angled at 45° on each side; easy to grind. And their jackets appear to be made out of plastic. All it would take is a hammer to get at the guts and rip the mechanisms apart.
You say the other locks have to be cut twice. To me it looks like every other lock after cutting them once make the bike free. Are there really such frame locks which require cutting twice on either end?
I'm looking for a new frame lock and was on the verge of getting the AXA Defender, but it seems like it didn't fare too well on your angle grinder test. You mentioned that other ones performed better but I didn't catch the make/brand of them. From your experience, which frame lock should I be looking for?
Hello - thanks for your question. I checked and it seems to be a Belgian brand, but here's a version which looks very similar on amazon: amzn.to/3JnJymO
WHY are you giving further training videos for bike thieves? Dumb idea. Yes, all locks can be broken eventually, and most people passing by do not flinch about it. Just see the Neistad brothers' Bicycle Thief video. The key thing is how you lock it for the situation, WHERE you are, for how long, and the choice to lock or whether it would simply be better to take the bike in with you. Also the better bike, that will be less likely to be stolen will be the locked up hack bike, or one that does not look bling.
Man, the way you are holding that grinder is plain suicidal! Moreover, you're using the portion of the disc which is most prone to kickback: the middle and back sections on the front - they should hardly ever be used! No wonder you touched the frame, you got nearly no control over the machine holding it one handed by the extra handle. This handle is meant for the second hand, to stabilize the machine and offer more control. The main or only hand should hold the grinder by it's body, behind the protective cover. Just want to stress this for less knowledgeable people so they don't harm themselves, which would be pretty easy to do cutting so close to your other hand with nearly no control over the grinder... Beginners should never use a grinder one-handed; they need to develop a feel for the thing's reactions before doing that. Maybe you know what you're doing and have very strong forearms, but I've got thirty-five years of experience with grinders and would never use one in this way. I still have my ten fingers and want to keep them for the rest of my life... Apart from that, thank you for what you're doing, exposing the hard truth about bike locks and such ;-)
In other words, there's no lock that will prevent your expensive e-bike from being stolen in a matter of seconds, in broad daylight, and in crowded areas (because nobody will care about a bike being stolen). So what is the solution then? A GPS tracker?
Might look a tiny bit suspicious if you took an angle grinder to a bike in the middle of the day. And if it did happen, at least you had an approved lock...
@@jennypersson8466 Bike thieves are unaffected by people staring, or even shouting at them. I even confronted a guy I assumed was stealing a bike as he was using an angle grinder on a decent looking heavy chain. It was obvious it wasn't his bike. I hoped to startle him and frighten him off... ultimately there wasn't much I could do to stop him. I couldn't hold him until the cops arrived -- they don't prioritize bike theft in my city -- I doubt they would even bother to check the surveillance footage. This was at 11am on a Tuesday, city street, a dozen pedestrians around. I was livid. I've had bikes stolen, and I resent always having to haul heavy locks and chains everywhere I need to go.
@@jennypersson8466in my experience bike thieves are cowards, they don't want to draw attention to themselves and the vast majority of them do not carry industrial mining equipment around with them. The only place I see or hear about that's like this with angle grinders is on UA-cam where people make up fake videos for clickbait.
@@drewscreengenerally when I hear stories like yours I just say to the people I do not believe you. But let's say you're telling the truth and you're not just looking for points on the internet, if people like you would just provide the actual statistics which must be out there somewhere then you could prove your point. So please go find the statistics, find out how statistically likely it is for a bike to be stolen by a thief who carried industrial mining equipment around with him in his backpack. If you did come back with statistics and it was decimal 001%, then I would say it's not worth investing $500 in a bike lock that might only slow them down by a couple of minutes.
I was just showing that as an example at the start of the video. The Axa is the one actually on the bike. Pls watch the video all the way through, then remove or edit your comment.
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One of these in conjunction with an alarm could be an option. The way to stop bike theft is to look out for each other’s bikes.
I think this proves that frame locks are still pretty annoying for thieves. Theyll need multiple tools and know how, only then will it take 2 minutes.
Frame lock plus a d lock and chain, the thieves move on unless your bike is parked in the same spot all the time and worth 1k and upwards
Dude.. Ear protection!
Nice video.
The only 2 U locks actually rated for angle grinders are the Hiplok D1000 and Altor U lock. The rest are rated for Bolt cutters and less.
Those locks are impressive, but are also 300 dollars+. they might cost more than your bike.
Fahgettaboudit lock also
@@littleripper312angle grinder gets through the fahgettaboudit in less than a minute. litelok x1 is the cheapest you can get that will take about 3 or 4 minutes
Interesting video, thank you. Yes, these wheel locks are good to leave a bike alone for a few minutes at best. But use in conjuction with solid u-lock could be a different story. Two locks unlike each other requires two different strategies from a potential thief and make everything at least twice as long, making everything much harder to stole. Wheel lock can travel with you all the time, u-lock also if you have a frame holder.
Thanks for your tips! I lost my AXA keys. Left my Dutch Oma chained for several days in hope of finding my keys. Car mechanic cut through AXA wheel lock, followed your tips precisely. It took him approx. 15min. He used screwdriver to dislodge it and an angle grinder. It was quite tricky. It is a very good lock and unfortunately I have to buy it again.
Hey thanks for the video, I know this is an old thread but I was wondering to take that AXS lock completely off is it just a matter of removing those Allen bolts. I'm waiting for delivery of my new bike and that is the first thing that I want to take off. I don't lock it outside of stores or cafes. So just wondering if it's relatively easy to take the whole unit off. I will have the key. Thank you in advance
Yes it's easy, there may be a plastic piece on top of the bolt - you can remove this using a flat-head screwdriver.
Clearly, this kind of lock/protection will only deter opportunistic thieves, but certainly not those who really intend to take the bike.
The best way to protect the bike is to stop it next to a much better bike. Kkkkk
Worked for me past 27 years😆
Yeah, these little locks are really convenient. They don´t add a lot of weight and it is great to always have a lock with you.
I´m not sure how easy they are to install though or if they can be installed e.g. on a mountain bicycle or not - which so far has put me off buying one.
Also, they only can be installed for the rear wheel I think, which is a pity, because you usually have your U-Lock there anyway.
cheers
JB
Yes only for the rear wheel...
Yes there is a possibility to amount it on a mountainbike and if you use a side chainlock then you can secure it to a Obstacle.
Unfortunately in the Netherlands they have tools to break these locks open without afford.
Wouldn't a set of security nuts like the ones on car wheel solve this problem entirely?
2:56 That mask might help with dust a little, but it's not a proper mask for protecting against dust and fumes from grinding. No face seal at all.
there is one called victory think its the same ?
Sorry, question, "the other one" you had to cut twice? Which one is that? I'm shopping around for cafe / frame / ring locks and yours are the best videos around!
Wait, nevermind, just saw your comment below. Oops! Thanks again.
@@LuficariusRatspeed Hello! Here's a version on amazon.com - it looks pretty similar: amzn.to/3JnJymO
@@TheCheapBikeChannel Thank you sir!
What you said about a bolt needing to be grinded from BOTH ends really opened my eyes on the subject, and I began to pay close attention to all of these different locks on the market. And you know what I noticed? Hardly any specs are given. I come from the tech industry and if they were to put out these types of products without giving specs, everyone would be skeptical.
Considering lock technology is the number one product that ensures a bike cannot be stolen, to me it means it is probably the most important component of a bike. As biking increases in importance for urban planning and transportation, information will become of key importance. I think an entire review series on frame locks would be worthwhile. It looks like you'll be the man to do it! Should put a crowdfund together to buy a batch and analyze each of these one by one!
@@LuficariusRatspeed Hello! Yes you're right - there isn't standardised information about the security level of locks - it seems to go 1-6, 1-15, AAA, Gold Silver etc. I thought you were suggesting designing and manufacturing our own type of frame lock, that can clip onto the back frame, doesn't need the holes to be screwed in, and can't be so easily cut through. Sounds like a BIG project though =) Where are you based buddy?
@@TheCheapBikeChannel I don't know nearly enough about metalworking to attempt making my own bike lock, but you never know. I'm in the US on the west coast. Most frame locks are not available in the US; I have seen several maker limited only to EU markets.
It would be interesting to make a table of frame lock attributes, listing such things as how far the bolts insert into the opposing jacket, how thick the bolts are, what alloy they're composed of, how thick the jackets are, what material the jackets are made of, is the jacket made of front and back piece?, how are those pieces fastened to each other?, what type of lock is used (because different locks are easier to pick), frame compatibility, what type of port is used for attached chain, any additional features they offer, etc.
Then for smartlocks, what tech they use, are they solar-powered, are they hackable, what operating system they run on, etc, etc.
The "security level," I compare to how a computer power supply has an "efficiency rating" but that barely covers the specifics. Power supplies are supposed to go through rigorous testing before shipped, and several turn out to be duds. Would be curious what standards the industry goes by. When it seems any company can brand a lock, ship it overseas with nothing more than a "it's good enough for insurance purposes," it seems there could be a lot of room for market manipulation. A simple thing like a bolt sliding thoroughly enough into a jacket could mean all the difference. Linka, I think is the worst example, as their bolt barely inserts, and the jacket is angled at 45° on each side; easy to grind. And their jackets appear to be made out of plastic. All it would take is a hammer to get at the guts and rip the mechanisms apart.
The fasteners that hold the clamp to the frame are......Bolts, not nuts...nuts screw onto bolts or studs....Bolts are way way stronger...
The AXA Victory is supposed to be the most secure Ring frame lock made. What is your opinion on this please & will you test one?
I second this, it will be interesting to see it tested
what one do when AXA key is lost?
Cut it off like i show in the video
@@TheCheapBikeChannel That's it!
You say the other locks have to be cut twice. To me it looks like every other lock after cutting them once make the bike free. Are there really such frame locks which require cutting twice on either end?
ABUS D-locks always lock on both ends of the shackle. Old Kryptonite locks used to lock on only one shackle, don't know about newer ones.
Very useful. Thank you.
I'm looking for a new frame lock and was on the verge of getting the AXA Defender, but it seems like it didn't fare too well on your angle grinder test. You mentioned that other ones performed better but I didn't catch the make/brand of them. From your experience, which frame lock should I be looking for?
Hello - thanks for your question. I checked and it seems to be a Belgian brand, but here's a version which looks very similar on amazon: amzn.to/3JnJymO
There is no lock that cannot be defeated by an angle grinder.
I think i was very rude in comments before, i am sorry for that.
Good video and keep it up.
Nice video
What can I do when the lock is jam and bike is still locked? Thanks
Check one of the spokes isn't rubbing against the lock, blocking it. Add WD40 into the locking mechanism and wiggle it. Good luck!
@@TheCheapBikeChannel thanks for the answer. I didn't yet mount on the bike. I just want to know the future... He He. Bye
cutting it while its attached to the frame is safer and faster
When all your local bike shops have gone broke, I hope amazon can service your bikes.
I can do it myself... or use UA-cam to find out how.
Thx for teaching people how to steal bikes, this is my third this week
You had three bikes stolen in one week?
WHY are you giving further training videos for bike thieves? Dumb idea.
Yes, all locks can be broken eventually, and most people passing by do not flinch about it. Just see the Neistad brothers' Bicycle Thief video. The key thing is how you lock it for the situation, WHERE you are, for how long, and the choice to lock or whether it would simply be better to take the bike in with you. Also the better bike, that will be less likely to be stolen will be the locked up hack bike, or one that does not look bling.
did you steal all the bikes with all the locks on them?
No
Hi are there models if this that can be installed on e-bike like fiido X?
Man, the way you are holding that grinder is plain suicidal! Moreover, you're using the portion of the disc which is most prone to kickback: the middle and back sections on the front - they should hardly ever be used! No wonder you touched the frame, you got nearly no control over the machine holding it one handed by the extra handle. This handle is meant for the second hand, to stabilize the machine and offer more control. The main or only hand should hold the grinder by it's body, behind the protective cover.
Just want to stress this for less knowledgeable people so they don't harm themselves, which would be pretty easy to do cutting so close to your other hand with nearly no control over the grinder... Beginners should never use a grinder one-handed; they need to develop a feel for the thing's reactions before doing that.
Maybe you know what you're doing and have very strong forearms, but I've got thirty-five years of experience with grinders and would never use one in this way. I still have my ten fingers and want to keep them for the rest of my life...
Apart from that, thank you for what you're doing, exposing the hard truth about bike locks and such ;-)
Well it is authentic, in that he’s using about the same technique as a bike thief… but yeah, that didn’t look like good positioning
Hearing protection my friend. Do not forget hearing protection!
Shame we are obsessed to show scum how to steal bikes 🙄
That's not what they mean by Face Mask!... They mean one that won't catch Fire!...
that first lock you holding you can open whit a paper scissors by the keyhole faster then whit a gringer 😂😂😂😂
Make a video and show how to do it!
With the real cheap one's you can use a kid sissors as a key, 10 sec, no tools, no sound, thats how junks do it.
ua-cam.com/video/e-cie1QKtnM/v-deo.html
You look like you would be Vlad Vexlers brother. Your mannerisms are similar too.
www.youtube.com/@VladVexler
In other words, there's no lock that will prevent your expensive e-bike from being stolen in a matter of seconds, in broad daylight, and in crowded areas (because nobody will care about a bike being stolen). So what is the solution then? A GPS tracker?
This U lock takes longer to cut through than other ones, as the steel is denser: amzn.to/3eG8A7o
Might look a tiny bit suspicious if you took an angle grinder to a bike in the middle of the day. And if it did happen, at least you had an approved lock...
@@jennypersson8466 Bike thieves are unaffected by people staring, or even shouting at them. I even confronted a guy I assumed was stealing a bike as he was using an angle grinder on a decent looking heavy chain. It was obvious it wasn't his bike. I hoped to startle him and frighten him off... ultimately there wasn't much I could do to stop him. I couldn't hold him until the cops arrived -- they don't prioritize bike theft in my city -- I doubt they would even bother to check the surveillance footage. This was at 11am on a Tuesday, city street, a dozen pedestrians around. I was livid. I've had bikes stolen, and I resent always having to haul heavy locks and chains everywhere I need to go.
@@jennypersson8466in my experience bike thieves are cowards, they don't want to draw attention to themselves and the vast majority of them do not carry industrial mining equipment around with them. The only place I see or hear about that's like this with angle grinders is on UA-cam where people make up fake videos for clickbait.
@@drewscreengenerally when I hear stories like yours I just say to the people I do not believe you. But let's say you're telling the truth and you're not just looking for points on the internet, if people like you would just provide the actual statistics which must be out there somewhere then you could prove your point. So please go find the statistics, find out how statistically likely it is for a bike to be stolen by a thief who carried industrial mining equipment around with him in his backpack. If you did come back with statistics and it was decimal 001%, then I would say it's not worth investing $500 in a bike lock that might only slow them down by a couple of minutes.
Nice video about YOU! Next time show ......
Wait!!! FAKE and FRAUD test. Thats NOT a AXA defender lock!
But an Diresco, which is a different lock in quality.
I was just showing that as an example at the start of the video. The Axa is the one actually on the bike. Pls watch the video all the way through, then remove or edit your comment.