We Are Officially HOOKED On *SHOGUN* | Episode 2 Reaction
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Shogun Episode 2 Reaction 'Servants of Two Masters'
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Introduction: 0:00 - 5:12
Reaction: 5:13 - 28:19
Discussion/Review: 28:20 - 36:52
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Some of you had trouble with the small subtitles, unfortunately as we are 4 weeks ahead on Patreon and only realised this now, we can only resolve this for the later episodes. For some reason our Australian copy has worse subtitles than the default US copy, very annoying, sorry for the inconvenience.
HOWEVER This episode was straight fire, we are sold and we are fully in for this journey now!
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Hey
When are we getting the reaction for the new hotd trailer 😅
@@sanelendlovu6125 I don't think it's this channel's style to react to trailers, I haven't seen much of this type of reactions on this channel.
So glad you have fallen in love with this show, you have so many memorable OMG moments to come and I am very much looking forward to your (both of you) reactions to the rest of it.
@@DisorderPurposingOrder
They have reacted to trailers
And especially hotd look through their page and you’ll see
Toranaga called out the Catholics immediately to test John's words. He knew they would try to take his life if John was telling the truth and they knew John had talked about Portugese intent to Toranaga. So it proved. He then switched rooms to test for spies. If there was a spy in his houshould then news of the switch would get relayed back to the assassin. That didn't happen, the assassin went to the wrong room where Toranaga was waiting. No spy. Multiple different plays at once by Toranaga. Very smart man and very smart writing.
It's funny that most viewers side with Blackthorne because we're so used to seeing a character in his position as the hero in the story. We mistrust Father Alvito even after he was 100% honest with his translations, has shown us absolutely no reason to distrust him, and we even learn that Blackthorne is indeed a pirate. The journals show that the crew of the Erasmus "sacked, slaughtered and pillaged their way through Manila" yet we still side with the Englishman. On paper he's a horrible human being but the writing is so clever that we're lulled onto his side. Such an fun ride.
to put it simple:
why side with the colonisers?
I wouldn't say Blackthorne is a horrible person. Just perpetually stuck between a rock and a hard place and making the best of what he has.
The first episode being called Anjin (pilot) is so clever since premiere episodes are pilots
Anjin sounds like engine. Time travel confirmed.
This show is a rare pearl. Beautiful in every aspect, acting, writing, and costumes.
Kills me that "Spartan" doesn't seem to know what a Spartan is 😂
it's whatever 'cool' position of power he sees, dude is just a Labrador lol
Well… what do you expect ..
Right like the equivalent of Shogun to the Spartans would be the King of Sparta lmfao
@@appocalypsechild there were almost always two kings
I think it's more that he doesn't know what a Shogun is.
I was going thru Shogun withdrawal symptoms so was thrilled to see you guys are reacting to this incredible series. As always you're very perceptive about the characters. You're going to love the next episode. ;)
I'm kind of wondering at this point, Spartan and Pudgey really are convinced that Toranaga and John are the good guys at this moment, but why exactly do they think that? After all, the evidence the Portuguese have for John plundering and slaughtering settlements is John's own diary. The Portuguese have their own schemes, but Alvito in particular does seem to have some integrity. He translated John's words truthfully, would John have done the same if their roles had been reversed?
Watching this show with a black and white view is a sure way of not understanding anything in the story, and especially history.
@@MW_Asurayou see that the problem right there people nowadays or more bothered about the pass then looking towards the future see at the end of the day nobody truly knows what happens when it comes to history it’s not all ways black and white and that’s a fact but if you ask me people need to start looking towards the future then getting wounded over the pass because it’s beyond sad and pathetic 😂
Blackthorne isn't jyst some innocent ship pilot. Idk why you're under that impression. Of course we all root for him but what the church is saying about him isn't all lies.
Actually, Rodrigues found Blackthorns Orders from the English Queen, in the Erasmus, that stated ‘Raid Portuguese/Spanish ships and locate the Japans’.. So technically Blackthorn was a Pirate
@@rossrreyes...technically, he's a privateer or corsair sailing under Letters of Marque from the Queen of England. By English law, he's fulfilling legal actions against the Spanish government.
Spain considers him a pirate even though they also employ privateers as well.
In Japanese terms, he would be closer to a mercenary which, admittedly, they don't view as having much honor.
@@rossrreyes Not quite, it is a grey area.
On the one hand, he's a privateer in Dutch service, with letters of marque issued by the Dutch government, so in the eyes of the Netherlands he is a legal combatant in their war against Spain.
On the other, as the Netherlands is fighting Spain for it's independence, Spain (and by extension their Portuguese allies) view the Netherlands as just a rebellious province, therefore the Dutch government is not legitimate, and those letters of marque they issued are not valid legal documents. Thus in the eyes of the Spanish and Portuguese he is a pirate.
As the Corvuslight guy said, "mercenary" would be the most accurate description.
He is most likely a privateer, but he is also an explorer and sailor which is realistic.
They're Australian. I'd say it's a bit expected that they have some bias for England
The whole show is essentially tense and/or poetic conversations. And it’s entrancing.
may be an unpopular opinion, but i love Yabushige.
Our best snaky snake.
He will be missed the most in the new seasons.
@@SovermanandVioboy There's absolutely ONE person who'll be missed a lot more!..... Come on man
Hiroyuki Sanada, who plays Toronaga, is the sole reason why I was interested in watching this show at all because he is the coolest and greatest living actor in Japan.
Shogun is such a good show. I see they've renewed it for a second and third season!
Let's hope the quality isn't diminished though...
Didn't know for a 3rd as well!
Wow fingers crossed it doesn't turn into a GOT moment.
Season 2 they can and will well cover the Battle of Sekigahara
@@darcypenn6702 I'm putting my faith in the producers 😭
@@lifeoftennis1285 I'm not too familiar with the historical events but I have a rough idea about it. I hope it lives up to everyone's expectations. I'm also excited to see Crimson Sky (the battle I mean haha)
@@keanancupido Sekigaha is Crimson Sky I think
I have heard people say that George R.R. Martin loved the original novel "Shogun" (published in 1975) - although I haven't been able to verify. And I know a lot of Game of Thrones is inspired by European historical figures and events but you can easily see how Japanese history (by way of the Shogun novel) could also have inspired Martin.
Umm, John Blackthorne is no innocent...he is a privateer...to say the priest etc are fabricating a lie about who he is and what he does, and thus poisoning Mariko sama against him is not completely accurate...
A privateer sails under Letters of Marque from their Sovereign, which in Blackthorn's case is the Queen of England. So, a privately owned ship of the English Navy, authorized to harass Spanish ships with whom England is at war, and also establish trade with foreign nations.
So more of a mercenary than a pirate.
@@corvuslight A mercenary to English law, a pirate to Spanish and Portuguese law. It all depends on which law you follow.
@@frankvandorp2059...indeed. Both nations use privateers. But whether a privateer or an official navy ship, still an enemy.
But a true pirate sails under no flag of any nation, and the Erasmus sails under the flags of Holland and England.
@@corvuslight I don't think a pirate by definition sails under the flag of no nation, the term is broader than that. And in fact, many privateers back in the day were themselves paid in secret by their European sponsors and didn't openly fly their flags either.
@@corvuslight absolutely! I commented something similar on the first episode. But again, Blackthornes not an innocent 'explorer' who just happened to end up in Japanese waters like Spartan and Pudgey are seemingly believing he is. When the priest, who name I just can't remember, is warning Mariko sama about John, S&P are reacting as though the Portuguese claims about him are outrageous lies...
Yabushige is trying to be on the winning side to ensure his survival nothing wrong with that.
There's a lot wrong with that... And I'll prove it with a single sentence: "Why tell a dead man the future" ;)
Well he still loved to boil Johns crew
@@reyjr2269 Not really. He didn't boil the crew it also wasn't about boiling. It was about the moment of acceptance of death and actual death - which is also why he Jenna Jamesoned himself on his own equipment without hesitation when it came down to it - despite him trying to escape that the entire season.
@@Christian-el2bz You are absolutely right. He wanted to know how people react when they face death. But that doesn’t mean its less cruel to boil people in order to satisfy that fascination of death.
Sure, nothing wrong with trying to survive. but it will mean you will die. Be wary of the old man who walks in the world where young men drop like flies.
The music in this show is absolutely beautiful, paired with the visuals it hits you right in the feels.
It was just confirmed that two more season is coming and it just got approved 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I'm re-reading the book, and toranaga knew that the non-jesuit priest was in the prison and would connect with Pilot Blackthorn. Also a great actor who was in fast 5 and desperado.
Oh that is awesome trivia!! Thanks for giving me that nugget of trivia gold.
I am happy for the world that we have a (fittingly) S-tier show to watch together again. 🌍 🙌 🍱 👘🪭
29:03 its "Toranaga-SAMA" ! 😉
One of the themes of the show imo is that Toronaga is a minorawa. He's of an elite Shogun bloodline. So it's like the chess game and strategy is in his DNA and was schooled in those way. So he's the elite of the elite in regards to war
They say it's like Game Of Thrones, but they still seem very optimistic about the fate of the main characters, I do not understand.
It's no GOT !!!
This show is next level. Finally another good one after One Piece! This feels like the first few seasons of GoT.
Spartan & Pudgey Such A Awesome Video/ Episode Today!!🔥🐐🐐💎
Loved this show so much. This was probably m favorite episode along with 2 others later in the season. SO GOOD
Spartan lowkey looks like the anjin in a certain angle. 😂 if pudgey finds out, she would never let it go.
How is he "poisoning" her mind? You think Blackthorne has come to Japan as a tourist? You think the English have any other reasons to be here as the Portugese? Jez...
Oh, hey Spartan. Glad to see you're still uploading so much content, despite being consistently and spectacularly incorrect all the time. Proud of you.
28:20 I maintain my prediction that Spartan will be disappointed with the finale. If I'm wrong, it increased my confidence that S & P will enjoy _Better Call Saul._
amazing stuff very entertaining
shogun is definitely NOT the same thing as a spartan 😂 this guy man lmao also wait till he finds out how gay actual spartans were ..
Hahahaha yes! This!
The claim that a majority of spartans were gay was just an extrapolation based upon under 1% of historical texts being vaguely supportive of homosexual relations and the rest either don't mention it or show the Greeks never supported it. If curious about this further, I'd recommend checking out Metatrons video on it. Though I will say that Spartan, from Spartan and Pudgy definitely has a loose idea of whom spartans were actually.
Every time they say “Just you wait” 😃
You guys need to realise that so far the Father has been really honest and when he says Anjin is guilty of worse, its true. They literally on a crusade. It's just we have John's viewpoint so you naturally side with him. Don't forget Rodrigues mentioned the same thing when he told John what he read in his journal and John was immediately ready to kill him. But I guess the bias is understandable.
Brilliant reaction❤
I wouldn't mind betting they will adapt the next Clavell novels in his Asian saga as there's not much material after Sekigahara historically of significance to adapt. My bet would be on an adaptation of either Tai-Pan or Gai-Jin or even both as separate seasons. Of course they could go the other way and deal with events leading up to the Taiko's death which has loads of interesting material during the Sengoku Jidai period
it wasn't all that long before this show was set that England had a catholic Queen named Bloody Mary who had a lot of protestants burned at the stake. the Queen at this time is likely Queen Elizabeth the first who was Mary's half-sister and a protestant. Read Foxe's book of Martyrs.
love this show!
Wow I'm so early first time
Much love ❤
Buntaro the husband of Mariko, is son of Hiramatsu and uncle of Fuji. I was confused, too. Greetings from Germany❤
Yabushige is like Little finger in GOT lol
Sneaky Snake Central should be Season 2’s title 😂
28:42 You know nothing Anjin San
Yabushige is our best snaky snake.
"Oh my god they're brutal"
bruh they're prolly much much more civilised than them ancient europeans mfs. trust me, they're more dignified than ppl in other cultures. the point of this whole series is to put John Blackthorne (one of the colonisers/settlers) in his place, not to be a smartass in someone else's culture, politics, and way of life. the ones who has the ultimate power here is only toranaga, not blackthorne nor ishido. ALSO, the real players in this battle are actually Toranaga, Mariko-Sama, and Ochiba-No-Kata (mother of the heir, highest rank any woman in ancient Japan could ever possesed).
When in Rome, do what Romans do.
Whilst it is nice to see you rooting for the protagonist - I can sense some English bias haha. Do not forget that John isn't a saint - he WAS putting to torch portugese and spanish settlements in the New World, and he is in Japan to do exactly what Portugese do - exploit the locals.
Other than that, great stuff, guys!
Exploit is kind of a heavy description. He's there to trade, which the Dutch did without adding any religious entanglements nor any attempts to conquer.
The reason Japan needs a middleman with China is because they had just recently invaded China and Japanese pirates (wako) had been harassing Chinese merchants for centuries.
@@corvuslight You are missing a point. During the era of colonialism - every single European nation exploited other nations either through direct conquest or a bunch of unequal treaties. And the conflicts within Europe were spanning over colonial nations too, which Japan in that particular era was a part of due to religious and trade tensions.
Everything else is just semantics of to what extent and how often.
@@fuzzed217 ...every nation across the planet did the same if they could. Japan acted no differently. Everyone sought advantage. Japan had just tried to conquer Korea and China and would most definitely seek advantage in any trade or conquest as a colonial power as well.
Semantics? Sure, ok, but in this specific case, the Dutch were just seeking trade without the aim of conquest that the Spanish and Portuguese were doing with the aid of religion. One could argue that it's because the Dutch didn't have the power to do so and that if they did have the power, they would. Likely, that would be true.
But there it is. They didn't and therefore weren't looking to exploit, but were in fact looking for fair trade amongst two nations.
@@corvuslight The Portuguese were there to trade too, and in fact did so for practically a century before Tokugawa came in and decided to expel the Jesuits and Portugal from Japan permanently. If Shogun changed some real history points (like Portugal wanting to conquer Japan and dominate it via Christianity) for the sake of the plot (or even just English propaganda from Blackthorne) then it's fine, but if it's trying to be fully historically accurate it's nonsense.
I loved this series, it is very well-made and will probably win some film awards.
An outstanding series from episode 2 forward. Enjoy actual fine adult entertainment.
You guys really need to stop prejudging characters in this based on " I like him ,he must be a good guy" or" I dislike him he must be a bad guy trope. There's shade of Grey to almost every character even the leads. This shows a hit with people because there's no good or bad exclusively. John isn't as squeaky clean on the up and up as you want him to be. He is a pirate his own journal confirms that. The priest wasn't lying about his journals but as always John mistrust leads to your mistrust. You got to pay attention to what people are saying and doing.
Have Spartan & Pudgey ever watched _Kill Bill_ ? If not, there is no way they are not reacting to it!
23:05 Anjin really said "nah I'd win"
0:38 That's great, but it's important not spoil. Did Lady Ochiba even make an appearance in E01? Because if she hasn't, showing her face is spoiling.
Yup, they are brutal. In fact the show only shows a fraction of the capital punishments in the book. Which, in itself, only shows a small fraction of the death orchestrated by Toranaga (Fictional depiction of Tokugawa Ieyasu). Borderline genocidal. A lot of people in the comments call Blackthorne a horrible person for his actions. All I have to say is - Who is more evil, or horrible, the man who follows his orders for Queen and country or the man who gives the orders? Toranaga whilst portrayed as the pseudo protagonist. He is no better than the other Regents - Just more conniving and brutal. Akin to Palpatine from Star Wars just minus the force powers and meglomania.
Witnessing an incredible show often elicits a fantastic response!
best reactions out there!
You sound so fucking silly..
@@ninodino444 problem?
@@shadowpowahful yes with people like you
@@ninodino444 people like what go ahead tell me. Where do we meet let's go?
This isn’t a show that goes heavy on the white savior complex. The Japanese in the 1600’s are the advanced nation. The colonizers do not win in this. It’s heavy on the rich cultural history of Japan and eastern culture. If you think John is here to “tame” and educate Japan you will be disappointed. He’s there to be tamed and humbled.
I hope someone on Patreon informed you guys at some point that there is an English dubbed version.
why ever you want to watch the dubbed version if you can read. im halfway through the series and i almost speak japanese now . "Arachikenay!"
For some people (as Pudgey stated in the first video) they don’t follow the show as well as they could because when their eyes are focused on reading they miss out on what is happening on the screen. It is the same actors speaking in the dub version and even then not everything is completely dubbed. Just saying…
@@Big8SirCash the point you made, i give it to you. BUT do i want to to understand, observe and connect everything there is in this show? Or is it even more intruiging and immersive to be a bit like the Anjin, in a foreign country, not getting everything whats going on around you. I think this thoughts surely were considered when making the decision to have so much japanese and translation in this show.
Hello spartan and PUDGEY.
Can you also react to Jason momoa's movie series titled. SEE. Thank you
Are you going to stagger your HotD reactions as well?
I thought he Ned Starked it this episode. Like wtf is wrong with him but he's smart.
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time stamps above! For you guys to fall back on after having finished the season. For now..enjoy the journey!
don't be so quick to judge...in these times there was not just black and white,bad and good.....there was a lot of grey in between.....
The japanese spartans would be the samurai, the shogun would be the leader like Leonidas
No.
The Shogun ruled through military might over the acting Emperor.
Leonidas was the actual king.
ugh yall gonna have this incredibly annoying "protagonist" bias.
nooooooooooo i thought i was the only one thinking abt this
ah so Spartan likes Bleach, a man of culture I see 🤔
I think I see why I drifted away from this channel. Honestly, I just can't take the black and white logic applied to shows like this. There's the good guy / Spartan's avatar in the show, there's the snake. Everything is reduced to this cartoonish outlook.
interesting you feel this way, while in the moment we get excited over certain characters we discuss in quite some depth in the discussion the nuance behind each characters and their situations as well as learning from insight from comments as we go along. very rarely if ever do we conclude black and white analysis, but in the moment yes we may get excited over certain things and irritated by others.
11:40 actually, till end of this season. Sorry to spoiled it for you.. 😂😂😂
If you love the Blackthrone character you need to come visit England! I reckon you’d love it here. Just don’t go to London as it will ruin your whole view of our country! The countryside is the best thing about England! Much nicer
Only thing i know is he is a terrible actor, or whatever came with his acting role playing is stupid
Spartan just isn’t the brightest guy 😂 kinda funny how dumb he is sometimes
no need to be mean.