I was wincing throughout this entire video. Several other guests and I cut the X1 at LITELOK's X launch event. During our tests, several discs fragmented, and without using a guard on that grinder, you were lucky not to lose a finger or worse. Please be sure to get yourself proper PPE for next time, gloves, visor and a grinder guard.
I really don't get why people would take of the safety guards. It's pretty common for them to explode xD but I wanna see someone cutting this with a good diamond cutting disc.
I too was wincing through the video. When grinding disks get hot, they can fracture. The cover isn't just for stopping sparks, it is designed to prevent a fractured disk hitting the operator. Guess what the main causes is for a disk to fracture? Contamination on the blade not allowing the heat to dispel...
Have you tried a can of spray air on it? When I worked at a hospital years ago, the bike thieves would use spray air and a ball peen hammer. Turn it upside down and the propellant is liquid CO2 which exits the nozzle at -154F to freeze it. Then they'd shatter it with the hammer. They always had ball peen hammers since they aren't classified as a concealed weapon. That's why so many Hell's Angels always used to have them. Frost that thing like a cupcake and see if you can break through it. Maybe the new designs have layers to keep it from working, but it did years ago. Same the the steering wheel clubs, they used it to steal cars too (at least the older ones you could hotwire).
Not only did I not try that, it wasn't even on my radar. I'm going to once again point out that I know how to use a bike lock but I'm not much of a bike thief! That's why I loke to rely on certification agencies. There's always another trick.
@@JoshRoss Thanks for the reply. So you need a Litelok x3, Abus 2500, Hiplok Dx1000.. or even Litelok x1 can be ok? What chain can I get? Kryptonite or something else?
@@tmmt9064 I can't be sure about every situation but a single grinder resistant u-lock and a good chain seems like more than enough and it'll be easier to use. A pair of grinder resistant u-locks will be a bit more secure though.
beyond the safety concerns i think a plugged in grinder is pretty biased test most of these punks come with 18-21v lipo grinder that battery would have died before killing the first disk.
Don't see many thieves with mains powered grinders. 18v grinder would take longer and use more discs and if you accompany that with a break disc motion lock alarm then a thief might be inclined to move onto an easier target.
The composite fiber that the lock is covered with is great against metal, but does not put up a real challenge against diamond. Several videos out there where they have cut this lock in a real life situation in under 2 minutes (with a battery powered angle grinder). This lock is a far upgrade compared to its predecessors, but this video is giving people a false security.
You want the X3, over 4 discs to cut it, the battery angle grinder lads would run out of battery's, discs and time, always lock your bike in a well lit, busy footfall area, two minutes is a long, long time to a bike tea leaf.
@@JoshRoss I think the X1 or X3 has more internal clearance than the hiplock and are lighter to carry. I'm using it on a 3 grand Scott Scale 710 mountain bike, through the back wheel, frame, to a bike stand, while I nip in a shop, I wouldn't leave it all day. The angle grinder lads would need to run an extension lead out of a shop or a DeWalt XP grinder with the big batteries on, a pack of disks and need to do two cuts. Kryptonite used to be the best, till someone opened one with a biro pen lid, then they changed the lock mechanism, now the games moved on.
The guy cutting is either completely inept and or applying a small amount of pressure to make the lock look better than it is . the upside is that he is using a corded grinder which has more consistent power ( load speed) indefinitely as opposed to a battery machine which if not fully charged lose torque . aside from the incompetent tester i'm impressed .
"You can see I'm not practiced with a grinder so it could likely have been faster." --And safer. Maybe watch some youtubes on the basics of angle-grinder safety. Like everyone else I was waiting for this to end badly. PS - I'd call it only a partial success as most battery grinders will take longer, so factor that in and disc swapping, and thief's window is lessened.
I bought a Litelok X 1 and It seems to be a solid, but unfortunately it rattles very loudly within its holder when riding over bumpy ground. I sent this video (ua-cam.com/video/YGSPQXZ_t8Q/v-deo.html) to the Liteok-Support and they said, that this is a normal behavior and they will not exchange it: "Our engineer has assured us that there is some movement built into the product itself which is required for smooth operation of the lock, and to ensure it securely locks every time. This appears as an audible noise in every D-Lock..." So I send the lock back and bought an ABUS!
I'd really like to see how these new locks stands up to the diamond blades. Okay, so diamond blades are really meant for stone etc., but if they get through these, then I don't reckon your average theif will be to upset over what they recommend on the disc packaging. Interesting vid thanks.
How did u manage to cut it with one angle grinder blade because its plugged into the wall or ? Because with the battery powered angle grinder u at least need 3-4 angle grinder blades to cut one cut
@@JoshRoss eh i think the pluged in angle grinder is more resistant to bog down while cutting the battery powered ones allways loose at least 3-4 discs and a battery and they have more safety sensors so the lock stops the angle grinders more afectivly
@@Maykay1312 I have seen those videos too i think and one of them is twisting the grinder making the lock cut the discs apart to make it seem like they need more of them.
@@Adam-po3qd I would disagree only on the matter of blade life. It's obviously easier, and probably faster, in my test but I don't see how it will mean less blades. It doesn't actually matter though. If we are saying a battery grinder will need more blades that's great. Best case scenario will still need two blades to free a bike and I'd call that a win.
That would be about 5 mins at best with a high power battery grinder, not counting in random factors such as poor support to put weight against the lock. Combine that with a GPS tracker with accelerometer and you might have a fighting chance to save your bike if it is locked in close proximity.
I’m not going to argue about something I have no expertise in but thiefs can always come back with more tools if the location allows it. Only thing you can do for sure is to slow them down and the longer it takes the better chance you have to fight them back, that’s all.
@@JoshRoss You don't need a tool to change a disc/wheel, push the lock button and turn the wheel by hand. Heat resistance gloves highly recommended if the wheel is hot! There are cut off wheels made from steel w/diamonds that last several times longer but don't cut some materials as quickly as a standard cut off wheel. My guess is the steel/diamonds would likely cut through something like this quicker than multiple cheap cut off wheels. Not sure what thieves carry or don't carry. If a thief equipped with a cordless angle grinder sizes up bikes as a source of income I would be surprised that failing to carry an extra $8 top of the line standard cut off wheel is going to be the thing that prevents them from lifting a valuable bike.
You know I can't understand the thinking of these people: why would they go through all of this time, trouble, equipment, blades, attracting attention, and the risk of serious injury over a bicycle?If they can do all of that, WHY can't they just buy their own bike? Also, 80% or thereabouts of people around the world get around by car. So what is a bike mainly for? recreation and exercise.
Fully agree with you, it's hard to understand the thought process of a thief. Hearing some of these road bikes (which seem to be increasing in popularity) cost thousands of dollars, making off with one of those in a few mins (maybe even a couple mins if we could get an unbiased vid from someone qualified to properly use an angle grinder), I can understand why they could be a tempting target for a thief.
If you are going to test a bike lock do it properly. Bike theives don't carry generators to plug their angle grinders into !! Make it realistic with the lock around a pole and the frame and wheel of the bike using a battery powered angle grinder and making two cuts not one. After all you are meant to be stealing the bike aren't you ?? Totally pointless video that proves nothing.
@@Forthought44 Great. Then you would have read that I clearly stated a single cut would not get the bike free but it would trash the grinder wheel. The point is that even with a grinder that's plugged in, and no bike frame to avoid cutting, it would take more than a single cutoff wheel to free a bike. Anything beyond that is a bonus but that's enough since any thief on the street would be unlikely to have another wheel with them.
@@JoshRoss Curious what brand of cut off wheel did you use? Have you tried a Diablo brand? Curious if that could get thru in one wheel? How about the Diable steel w/diamonds? I know that could get thru with one wheel, curious how long it would take (provided someone qualified to use an angle grinder was operating it)? Why are you so convinced all thieves would only carry one cut off wheel & it would definitely be a standard not steel/diamonds?
@@bhough410 I do wonder about the Diablo blades. I discussed why I chose the wheel I did in the article but there might be someone with a better blade that covers across it.
Absolutely. I talk about that in the article and it's one of the reasons I tend to pass on attempting to cut locks. It had to be done in this case though.
I was wincing throughout this entire video. Several other guests and I cut the X1 at LITELOK's X launch event. During our tests, several discs fragmented, and without using a guard on that grinder, you were lucky not to lose a finger or worse.
Please be sure to get yourself proper PPE for next time, gloves, visor and a grinder guard.
Don't cut it like this without guards.
unless you are would be criminal lol
it will make you grow hair on your balls if you do though, it's called being a man
All these with a power cable makes me think this will be good enough for out and about
I really don't get why people would take of the safety guards. It's pretty common for them to explode xD but I wanna see someone cutting this with a good diamond cutting disc.
I too was wincing through the video. When grinding disks get hot, they can fracture. The cover isn't just for stopping sparks, it is designed to prevent a fractured disk hitting the operator. Guess what the main causes is for a disk to fracture? Contamination on the blade not allowing the heat to dispel...
Nonsensical garbage
Put. The. Guard. Back. Also: Wear proper gear and use proper technique. Glad you still have your fingers, etc.
Have you tried a can of spray air on it? When I worked at a hospital years ago, the bike thieves would use spray air and a ball peen hammer. Turn it upside down and the propellant is liquid CO2 which exits the nozzle at -154F to freeze it. Then they'd shatter it with the hammer. They always had ball peen hammers since they aren't classified as a concealed weapon. That's why so many Hell's Angels always used to have them. Frost that thing like a cupcake and see if you can break through it. Maybe the new designs have layers to keep it from working, but it did years ago. Same the the steering wheel clubs, they used it to steal cars too (at least the older ones you could hotwire).
Not only did I not try that, it wasn't even on my radar. I'm going to once again point out that I know how to use a bike lock but I'm not much of a bike thief! That's why I loke to rely on certification agencies. There's always another trick.
Hi. What is better to take x3 + Kryptonite evolution U-lock or two pieces x1 for e-bike Engwe X? Price will be the same.. thanks
@@tmmt9064 one angle grinder resistant u-lock plus a chain is a better solution.
@@JoshRoss Thanks for the reply. So you need a Litelok x3, Abus 2500, Hiplok Dx1000.. or even Litelok x1 can be ok? What chain can I get? Kryptonite or something else?
@@tmmt9064 I can't be sure about every situation but a single grinder resistant u-lock and a good chain seems like more than enough and it'll be easier to use. A pair of grinder resistant u-locks will be a bit more secure though.
@@JoshRoss Thanks!
beyond the safety concerns i think a plugged in grinder is pretty biased test most of these punks come with 18-21v lipo grinder that battery would have died before killing the first disk.
You should read the description. There's a good bit of info there.
Don't see many thieves with mains powered grinders. 18v grinder would take longer and use more discs and if you accompany that with a break disc motion lock alarm then a thief might be inclined to move onto an easier target.
Yup. That's pretty much the point of the article and the video.
The composite fiber that the lock is covered with is great against metal, but does not put up a real challenge against diamond. Several videos out there where they have cut this lock in a real life situation in under 2 minutes (with a battery powered angle grinder). This lock is a far upgrade compared to its predecessors, but this video is giving people a false security.
You should read the article where I discuss that exact detail.
@@JoshRoss thanks for addressing the his. I’m sorry I didn’t read the article
You want the X3, over 4 discs to cut it, the battery angle grinder lads would run out of battery's, discs and time, always lock your bike in a well lit, busy footfall area, two minutes is a long, long time to a bike tea leaf.
Yeah, the x3 is better but it starts to compete with the hiplok. This one is the sweet spot.
@@JoshRoss I think the X1 or X3 has more internal clearance than the hiplock and are lighter to carry. I'm using it on a 3 grand Scott Scale 710 mountain bike, through the back wheel, frame, to a bike stand, while I nip in a shop, I wouldn't leave it all day. The angle grinder lads would need to run an extension lead out of a shop or a DeWalt XP grinder with the big batteries on, a pack of disks and need to do two cuts. Kryptonite used to be the best, till someone opened one with a biro pen lid, then they changed the lock mechanism, now the games moved on.
Man, you're lucky to be in one piece. Hard to watch.
The guy cutting is either completely inept and or applying a small amount of pressure to make the lock look better than it is .
the upside is that he is using a corded grinder which has more consistent power ( load speed) indefinitely as opposed to a battery machine which if not fully charged lose torque . aside from the incompetent tester i'm impressed .
"You can see I'm not practiced with a grinder so it could likely have been faster." --And safer. Maybe watch some youtubes on the basics of angle-grinder safety. Like everyone else I was waiting for this to end badly. PS - I'd call it only a partial success as most battery grinders will take longer, so factor that in and disc swapping, and thief's window is lessened.
You should probably read the article.
@@JoshRoss ahh you mean the lock is a success. My bad, I read it like your test to break it was a success.
I bought a Litelok X 1 and It seems to be a solid, but unfortunately it rattles very loudly within its holder when riding over bumpy ground.
I sent this video (ua-cam.com/video/YGSPQXZ_t8Q/v-deo.html) to the Liteok-Support and they said, that this is a normal behavior and they will not exchange it:
"Our engineer has assured us that there is some movement built into the product itself which is required for smooth operation of the lock, and to ensure it securely locks every time. This appears as an audible noise in every D-Lock..."
So I send the lock back and bought an ABUS!
ABUS isn't comparable to Litelok (or Hiplok). ABUS locks get cut through much much quicker. Why not just go with Hiplok instead?
I'd really like to see how these new locks stands up to the diamond blades. Okay, so diamond blades are really meant for stone etc., but if they get through these, then I don't reckon your average theif will be to upset over what they recommend on the disc packaging. Interesting vid thanks.
I'm curious if something like a diablo blade would have held up.
@@JoshRoss over to you 😉. I'm presuming you keep the remnants of the lock...
@@bsidethecside2283 I did but while I don't mind taking a risk on a fiber blade, a metal blade sounds like I need a better grinder!
how much does the lock cost ? thx
us.litelok.com/products/litelok-x1
How did u manage to cut it with one angle grinder blade because its plugged into the wall or ? Because with the battery powered angle grinder u at least need 3-4 angle grinder blades to cut one cut
I don't think it matters for blade life that it is plugged in. It's not claimed to be angle grinder proof, just resistant.
@@JoshRoss eh i think the pluged in angle grinder is more resistant to bog down while cutting the battery powered ones allways loose at least 3-4 discs and a battery and they have more safety sensors so the lock stops the angle grinders more afectivly
@@Maykay1312 I have seen those videos too i think and one of them is twisting the grinder making the lock cut the discs apart to make it seem like they need more of them.
Of course a wired grinder makes a difference!. And cutting on a nice stable surface with your weight over the top.
@@Adam-po3qd I would disagree only on the matter of blade life. It's obviously easier, and probably faster, in my test but I don't see how it will mean less blades. It doesn't actually matter though. If we are saying a battery grinder will need more blades that's great. Best case scenario will still need two blades to free a bike and I'd call that a win.
Without a guard on grinder or face doing that? Hope your 'test' was worth the risk
Now cut the skunk one
Can you twist it after or does it need to be cut twice?
It needs to be cut twice and the grinder wheel is trashed. You'd need to swap blades to do a second cut.
That would be about 5 mins at best with a high power battery grinder, not counting in random factors such as poor support to put weight against the lock. Combine that with a GPS tracker with accelerometer and you might have a fighting chance to save your bike if it is locked in close proximity.
It will take more than one cutting wheel. Irrelevant how strong the grinder is.
Yep, one can factor in the time needed to change the blade for two cuts. Lower power grinder and/or poor battery should surely require more time.
@@outolempinimi5165 the time taken is irrelevant. Bike thieves aren't carrying multiple blades and the tools to change them.
I’m not going to argue about something I have no expertise in but thiefs can always come back with more tools if the location allows it. Only thing you can do for sure is to slow them down and the longer it takes the better chance you have to fight them back, that’s all.
@@JoshRoss You don't need a tool to change a disc/wheel, push the lock button and turn the wheel by hand. Heat resistance gloves highly recommended if the wheel is hot!
There are cut off wheels made from steel w/diamonds that last several times longer but don't cut some materials as quickly as a standard cut off wheel. My guess is the steel/diamonds would likely cut through something like this quicker than multiple cheap cut off wheels.
Not sure what thieves carry or don't carry. If a thief equipped with a cordless angle grinder sizes up bikes as a source of income I would be surprised that failing to carry an extra $8 top of the line standard cut off wheel is going to be the thing that prevents them from lifting a valuable bike.
No need to cut twice. Just cut it at the end. You can pry it open after that.
Is that something you've tried?
For demo purpose you could have locked it to some pole at the least.
You know I can't understand the thinking of these people: why would they go through all of this time, trouble, equipment, blades, attracting attention, and the risk of serious injury over a bicycle?If they can do all of that, WHY can't they just buy their own bike? Also, 80% or thereabouts of people around the world get around by car. So what is a bike mainly for? recreation and exercise.
Bikes are currency and they are also transportation for those with less.
Fully agree with you, it's hard to understand the thought process of a thief. Hearing some of these road bikes (which seem to be increasing in popularity) cost thousands of dollars, making off with one of those in a few mins (maybe even a couple mins if we could get an unbiased vid from someone qualified to properly use an angle grinder), I can understand why they could be a tempting target for a thief.
😂😂😂😂
Wtf 😂 if that blade shatters it’s going straight into your face
If you are going to test a bike lock do it properly. Bike theives don't carry generators to plug their angle grinders into !! Make it realistic with the lock around a pole and the frame and wheel of the bike using a battery powered angle grinder and making two cuts not one. After all you are meant to be stealing the bike aren't you ?? Totally pointless video that proves nothing.
I'm curious if you read the description?
@@JoshRoss Yes !!!
@@Forthought44 Great. Then you would have read that I clearly stated a single cut would not get the bike free but it would trash the grinder wheel. The point is that even with a grinder that's plugged in, and no bike frame to avoid cutting, it would take more than a single cutoff wheel to free a bike. Anything beyond that is a bonus but that's enough since any thief on the street would be unlikely to have another wheel with them.
@@JoshRoss Curious what brand of cut off wheel did you use?
Have you tried a Diablo brand? Curious if that could get thru in one wheel?
How about the Diable steel w/diamonds? I know that could get thru with one wheel, curious how long it would take (provided someone qualified to use an angle grinder was operating it)?
Why are you so convinced all thieves would only carry one cut off wheel & it would definitely be a standard not steel/diamonds?
@@bhough410 I do wonder about the Diablo blades. I discussed why I chose the wheel I did in the article but there might be someone with a better blade that covers across it.
Mate stick to your office job, you're struggling to use a power tool
Absolutely. I talk about that in the article and it's one of the reasons I tend to pass on attempting to cut locks. It had to be done in this case though.
@@JoshRoss Facking amateur