Understanding Addiction ft. Jonny Craig
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Everyone please welcome this week’s guest to the bus - Jonny Craig! I have known Jonny for awhile, but had never gotten the chance to sit down and talk with him. Some of these stories are hard to listen to, but I’m thankful Jonny is able to tell them so that we can all learn from him.
In this episode of the Don’t Shit On The Bus podcast we will learn:
• What caused Jonny to start taking opioids
• The cycle of addiction and how hard it is to break
• How Jonny joined Dance Gavin Dance
• Jonny new music & outlook on life
(00:00) Intro
(02:46) Patreon
(03:09) Jonny gets on the bus
(08:13) Jonny joining Dance Gavin Dance
(12:06) How Jonny created the vocal sound for Dance Gavin Dance
(13:57) Initially declining Rise Records, finding Eric Rushing
(16:01) When Jonny first got addicted to drugs
(20:05) Jonny becoming more addicted to pills
(24:43) When Jonny started to lose friends because of his addictions
(26:08) Adam's story about Jonny in Vegas
(28:04) The lowest points for Jonny
(29:57) Macbook situation
(40:04) How to help someone with an addiction
(42:23) What enabling looks like
(45:56) Binge Drinking
(48:58) Jonny returning to live music & sobriety
(01:00:17) Wrap up notes
(01:02:47) Jonny’s solo career
(01:05:14) Shower Shoes
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Hope everyone enjoys this conversation as much as I did. Thanks again Jonny, appreciate you.
This was amazing, glad to see Jonny doing well and you both definitely vibed during this interview. Top notch brother 👏 Bless up!
Thank you for this amazing pod/interview because it was absolutely necessary and turned out unequivocally beautiful 🔥. Good shit bro
Love seeing Jonny speak so eloquently and clear. Here's to future success and sobriety! Great episode my dude.
I always used to think what most of the uneducated public think… ‘just give up the drugs’ ‘just stop it’ but since I educated myself talking first hand to homeless people living addiction and realise this whole thing is a disease… getting your score becomes more important than family or even food… I’ve stopped smoking after sixteen years and I’m 4 months in and I know that it is nothing compared to opiate addiction but getting the craving and having to fight the old habits everyday has made me totally realise how hard it is! Recovery isn’t just stopping the drugs, it’s working hard every single day… and reminding yourself how good you feel and how much better your body feels…
I remember back In day as a teenager when Jonny was gaining fame within the scene. All the rumors were he was a scumbag but know as an adult it’s a lot easier to understand more what people have gone through.
Dude it’s wild to hear Jonny talk about Saosin and Anthony Green as influences.
Addiction is a traumatizing experience, could be smoking or drinking, pills or harder drugs, porn or even caffeine. Whatever dependency it is, it invokes trauma upon that person. Unless you've gone through that experience, it's really hard to understand the feelings that the person goes through, from the beginning, rock bottom, and to hopefully the recovery and sobriety. I hope Jonny can continue on this clean path and keep blessing us with his heavenly talent. One thing that helped me end my addictions was knowing that I had the option to. You have the option to get high, but you don't have to. You can make that choice to let it go. So many friends that couldn't relate, can make you feel lonely. Let it motivate you. Great episode, on the bus, very warm and awesome questions
Imagine if Jonny Craig got together with the DGD boys and made Downtown Battle Mountain III
or just called it something else with jonny as lead cleans.
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Or If they made a trifecta album snd had all 3 singers on a huge LP. That would be Huuuuuuge hit.
They could call it triangulating sound
bruh... Messy Mess, Clean Craig and Touchy Tilian together... holy fuck!
I imagine it would work like their amazing song Evaporate with the multiple cleans.
Please God let this happen!!!
@@yesitsmecsdback to life gave us a taste of what that could be like and it breaks my heart.
I always thought another Isles and Glaciers album would be cool.
they just got rid of tillian, maybe give jonny another chance
I’ve got to say, I’ve followed Jonny for years at this point and this is the most genuine I’ve ever seen him.
At a point I despised him(even though we’ve never met) but I’m truly happy for him and hope to see him succeed
Jonny is hands down one of the best vocalists I've ever heard. As DGD is my favorite band, there is nothing about the "Jonny era" of the band that I dislike. I've followed Jonny through Emarosa and Slaves as well... I hope he's doing great and I'd love to see him out in the scene again absolutely crushing it!
Let’s support him to maintain his sobriety over all of it. The scene is not a stable environment for someone with such an addiction issue that Jonny has dealt with. The man deserves some peace.
@@JamesEatWorld7758 the "scene" I was referring to was any avenue that allows him to use his natural talent. Whether that be on stage performing or doing live zoom video streams with musicians.
He’s playing a local show near my hometown Dec. 14 2022 in Winston Salem NC at a club I’m playing at tomorrow.
@@JamesEatWorld7758you know as a year sober addict from fentanyl smoking you hit a point where you do it for yourself and because you see the light. I can have a pocket full of those blue devils and I'd not even think about using. I think people who say it's been hard even 10 years in I believe aren't able to have that epiphany, they had outside reasons to get clean and were forced by circumstances.
I have to say - the interviewer is a very good interviewer. The questions were well thought our and planned, and the interaction felt pretty natural and dynamic. Commenting, liking and subscribing for the algorithm. Definitely deserved.
I give that young man a lot of credit ,he takes full responsibility and owns his shit like a man ...That's more than most ,I'm glad to see he didn't waste the precious life and talent that God gave him....Keep it going Jonny I've been in the music business for over 40 years and can only count on two hands how many people would man the fck up like you have.
i've been a DGD fan for at least 9 years and the jonny tag brought me here, and i'm currently struggling with addiction and wanna say this has helped me have a deeper and positive insite on my problems and makes me wanna be better. thank you so much @don't shit on the bus
Wishing the best to you, and hopefully this helps you on your journey in some way. Sorry to hear you are struggling
Sending you luck and healing with your recovery ❤️
You can do this. You aren’t alone. You are loved even by those who don’t know you. Please keep fighting. ❤️
Glad Jonny is doing great! My cousin was a heroin addict. He smoked DMT one time and never wanted to do heroin again. The only problem was he was severely dope sick but couldn't bring himself to shoot the dope so he went to a rehab. He has been sober for 5 years now and he doesn't even smoke cigs anymore, dmt rewired his brain he said
Damn I've often read about people stopping drugs once they took dmt... I think more people should know about this
Dmt is good in that it makes you think with extreme clarity. All the bs fades and you think in a different perspective. Similar to shrooms but still different
@@annajansen6945 yeah it's crazy like immediately after his trip he was changed. I've always been too chicken shit to try DMT or shrooms
Joe Rogan would be proud. Congratulations to your cousin.
I recently got into Psilocybin (structurally very similar to DMT) and it’s definitely changed me. I was on Suboxone/Gabapentin for 8 years, and I’m currently in the process of getting off both drugs. Doesn’t matter how long it takes. I’m hurting all day every day, but I’m still looking toward the future when it’s out of my system and I feel better. Down to 300mg of the 3000 I was on of Gabapentin, two months out from my last Sublocade injection to get off Suboxone. Send me well wishes if you can, it’s hard but I want to feel normal again more than anything. Haven’t relapsed in 8 years, don’t plan on it now.
Im very happy for anyone who can find their way out of this bullshit, opioids steal your soul, make life not worth living. It’s very difficult to understand just how bad it is, and there’s nothing I can say to convince anyone. All I can say is - if you’ve never taken opioids, don’t ever start. It’s not worth it, never worth it. Get a steroid injection and some ibuprofen, you may save your life in the long run. If I make it out of this my life will certainly be dedicated to helping other addicts trying to find their way out.
Psychedelic therapy could be the future of addiction recovery.
I'm 42 minutes in and I'm in tears dude.
I've battled addiction for 7 years now, same drugs as Jonny. Pain pills, then graduated to H..
I was on suboxone as well, and it ruined me.
I'm currently 2 weeks clean now, and it's crazy. When jonny said that more people should take the chance to say something, and that something might hit home.. he was so, so right.
I'm a stranger who just wants to say I'm rooting for your successful recovery!!
How it goin now, bro?
@chadtv3435 well, I managed to stay off of suboxone for over 100 days now, but unfortunately, I've gotten my body addicted to other things now.
I had to go back to work, about 60 days in, and I still felt awful.
Lethargic, weak, and just sluggish. I'm currently doing quite a bit of coke and kratom to get me through a work day.
If I don't have either, I just can't function. I'm positive opiods ruined me permanently.
My girl is pregnant, and I'm supporting us. Neither of us have any family.
I'm going to try and pay rent 2 months in advance and go back to rehab.
Also, I need to be patient about getting back to work.. I rushed it back in July when I started back working again.
I should have waited longer.
Mind if I ask how the suboxone ruined you?
As a fan of DGD and early emarosa, this interview makes me so fucking happy to see this man happy and health. owning his past and mistakes now only focused on his projects and stuff. So Nice!
Jonny has been a friend of mine since 2014 and he’s always been nothing but nice to me. I’ve seen him at many low points and vice versa but was always there because I knew he was going to make it out. I’m so proud of him now. ♥️♥️
I’m super proud of him, and many other people are as well, who have never met him a day in our lives. From a fan’s perspective, we feel so great about his sobriety. I can’t even imagine how you feel!
You’re proud to be friends with a man who abused so many woman? Recently being Taylor? Get better friends lmao ew
I don't know if you DMing him a million messages on IG and getting a few polite comments back counts as a friendship, but apparently it gives you a lot of mileage in the comments section of UA-cam. The obsessive profile pic of you clinging to Jonny at a show while his body language says this is just another fan pic really shows the depth of your fRiEnDsHip 🤡
I'm loving these newer interviews with Jonny. I've listened to so many in the past and as someone in recovery myself, I could just kind of tell he wasn't ready yet to get sober.
Watching him lately, he seems that he is truly trying to stay clean. His head seems much clearer and he is taking accountability for himself. I really do wish the best for him. He has a lot of talent and seems like a decent guy while not on drugs that is just dealing with a lot of pain.
As a nurse and a former addict it’s insane the amount of people who get addicted from just getting a small prescription. Same path as Johnny.
Johnny this makes my heart happy to watch🖤 you are such an inspiration. I am not an addict but just watching you is touching many lives and knowing some of what you’ve gone through really helps connect your fans to who you really are behind the mask of drugs. I have loved listening to you ever since I was in high school and I’m 27 now and that won’t change. Your voice gives me chills and I hope you see you touch so many hearts with your music and that you are loved regardless of mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. We are all human. But we are redeemable.
I hope he keeps this up. He's one of my favourite vocalists.
I never thought I'd ever relate to Jonny Craig on anything, but when he talked about his Grandma and the living situation, I 100 percent got it... because that was me.
But I lost her at 23, not as young as he was.
I hope he's doing well.
Huge fan of Jonny's voice. I'm glad he's sober and making good choices. I would love to see him reunite with DGD for one more album or at least a feature of him on it. He is honestly my favorite singer out of the other 2 singers in DGD. Thank you Jonny for opening up to us.
17:05 I felt that like no other! I had surgery on 2 hernias at the same time and they shot me up with something and I felt the exact same way. I chased that feeling for probably 15 years and honestly probably still am in a way.
Super proud of Jonny! Congrats man! As an addict myself in recovery I can relate so fucking much it's insane. I think this is the first time I've heard him speak sober and wow it's great to see the real person behind the voice of an angel lol. And Jonny if you just so happen to read this, keep it up brotha, and all the cliche one day at a time stuff but what's really important is working on yourself and making those "Living Amends" by just doing right. People will forgive and forget the dumbshit if you live life right. Jonny, good luck brotha! Can't wait to see you perform again! Although we met in Baltimore lol and we got lots of party favors there so maybe when you come to DC instead 😎. Keep yo head up.
I appreciated him Craig doing the A Skylit Drive memory of Jordan Blake.
This was a great interview, thank you. I’ve been following Jonny’s music career since ‘07 and I’ve always tried to separate the artist from the drama… but in the back of my mind I’ve always hoped that he would be able to get clean one day and truly flourish. Having followed him on Instagram recently and now seeing this interview, I am so incredibly happy for him 💜
Jonny you look good man. I was addicted to opiates for around a decade though I was considered a "functioning addict" because I worked all the time & nobody could tell I was living a double life. My tolerance was so high I just looked sober. So needless to say I know the demons you've had to fight myself.
Anyways I'm here as a dance gavin dance fan & I'm glad you're doing/looking better jonny. I remember when you were in ghost runner on third haha
I have a lot of love and respect for you, Jonny. I’ve been on Suboxone and Gabapentin for 8 years now, and I’m in the middle of getting off of it right now. Gonna do whatever I can to get to the other side, working on a slow taper right now. Feels pretty bad every day, but I’m gonna get there one day. I can’t imagine everything you’ve been through, and the amount of guilt and shame you’ve felt - but as a recovering addict myself I can imagine. You’ll always have a fan and friend in me, man. If you happen to see this, just know you still have a lot of people rooting for you.
Every time I heard this guy say he’s sober before, I could see he’s been completely full of shit. This is coming from someone who’s been down that road and can sense it a mile away.
That being said, he looks and sounds so healthy and is clearly working on fixing himself. Might be the first interview I’ve seen where he hasn’t been faded. Very articulate and well spoken. Proud of ya JC
He did another interview for punk rock mba. Jonny is definitely a changed man
Sobriety turns Jonny Craig into Anthony Kiedis haha
Glad to see Jonny is doing better.
The woman he r4ped aren’t doing better
I`m so glad he is happy and healthy, you can see it in his face and by his conversation skills!
Shout out to this man Jonny for beautiful real about all of his faults 🤞🏾
Jonny Craig! Thanks for sharing and you should be proud of making positive change!
Excellent interview. You touched on all the things I was curious about. Thanks for digging in!
WTF how am I just NOW seeing this! JC has been my fav since 2010 I am beyond excited!!!!!
So glad this amazing vocalist has cleaned things up. By far my fave in the scene. Really hope he keeps killing it! 🙏. More dgd covers please, Jonny! 😎. #eldergoose
No words I could pour out would be enough to convey my heart for Jonny...I'm an "old lady" but seeing and HEARING Jonny doing so much better is hope-filled. I appreciate the questions about his back catalog. I'm assuming Rain City has the rights to Slaves songs. It would be a terrible shame if those songs disappeared. Not to be cliche' , but am praying for his one day at a time to get better and better.❤🙏
I have been a hardcore fan of Jonny since he stepped into the music scene and can remember reading all of the things and bad decisions that Jonny was making and all I can remember was praying that he would find the strength to get better and beat this demon that was consuming his life. I am so proud to still call myself a fan of this incredibly talented man. It is so great to see how well he is doing and I am rooting for you from the bottom of my heart. I love you Jonny. As a small midwest fan whos been a fan since I was a kid, I knew you could do it!
good luck Johnny! Greatest vocalist I’ve heard.
Pray for ya to stay sober. Sounds like a hard path to continue down but look at people like Steve-o!
I remember hearing Ghost Runner on Third and knew this vocalist was going places, then heard DGD, then Emarosa, then his solo stuff to Slaves last tour even gotten CDs signed, posters, lyric sheets, tickets, he even signed as CD for my new born son. He was drinking but wasn't fkd up his ex was though! My wife went in the bathroom and his ex and 2 other girls were doing blasts in the bathroom. And kept on asking me and my wife if we knew where JC was which he was at the bar chilling with us and the bassist. I've met him a bunch through the years and had the same struggles as him and now have 10 years clean.
Man. What a great Fucking interview. This is definitely full circle from my perspective. I saw DGD live right before Jonny was kicked out of the band. I got sober about five years ago and the last time I saw Jonny live was about 10 years ago. We were both Fucking ripped and being assholes to each other. Lol. #FULLCIRCLE
Rooting for you Jonny, your solo stuff is fire
Bro I swear if they let him come back for DBM3 it’ll be the best day ever, really happy for him tho regardless
beautiful interview --thank you Adam for putting this together, but most importantly thank you Jonny for sharing your story 🤘
Love you Jonny keep doing good man.
I remember when doing 20 blues (30mg oxycodone) was an average day... Not many of us live to tell the story today... congrats Jonny Craig 👏 🙌 🤙
Adam I've always admired how professional you are and respectful I remember running into you at warped tour one year and I remember always seeing you photographing bands, stay well..love ya bro
I can relate to Jonny so damn much (maybe not the touring part).. and love to see him doing well and hope he continues and love seeing him succeed. I've been in a program for the past year.. I graduate 11/15 and this was VERY motivating.
Why do I want to hug Adam every time he speaks 😆
Johnny is one of the best vocalists of any genre. Hes not my favorite dgd singer but he was legitimately amazing. I hope he got better and hes living a healthy life.
Childhood hero
Excellent interview. I really appreciate these insights.
Loved this. I hope things open up for Jonny!
this was great, thanks
Huge Jonny fan. Happy to listen to this. Great job.
So glad to see you back man. Wish you the best and can’t wait to see you on stage again. Been a long time fan!
Hell yeah!! He's a Saosin Fan!!!!
I actually love this interview. I’ve followed Jonny for a long time partially bc I feel like we’ve went through a lot of the same stuff. Almost everything he says about pills/opiates resonates with me so hard it’s crazy.
Jonny seems like a cool guy I like this real interview
Can we please have Downtown Battle Mountain III featuring Kurt Travis, Tillian, and Jonny Craig.
Awesome interview, thank you!
holy shit this interview blew my mind. Jonny is a real one
Subbed!! What an awesome, transparent convo on Jonny’s end. He’s always been one of my inspos growing up and is amazing to see him doing well!
Thanks for the sub, and agreed. Appreciate you stopping by
Jonny craig!!! The man, The myth, The legend. 🤘🤘🤘🤘❤️
The r4pist
Love this, just discovered your podcast. Spending the rest of my day and probably night listening to all the episodes lol 😆
Thats so rad to hear - I hope you enjoy it, and welcome to the bus! Lots to learn, so happy my friends are here to teach.
Thank you so much for putting something like this together. It’s really helping me get through my day. Amazing!!!
This is absolutely amazing. Go Jonny go!
this is amazing, thank you so much for this incredible interview. I didn't even know this was uploaded yesterday; you deserve all the views coming your way :)
Thank you - glad you enjoyed it and thanks for stopping by
Looking healthy and happy, Jonny. Cant wait for new music. #TeamJonny
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@@halsey9160 she refollowed him on insta a few months ago funnily enough, she also privated the video talking abt him lmao
It so funny bc Kurt and Tilian both sound like 2 versions of Anthony Green
Ive been rooting for Jonny forever. He is a brilliant talent and wish the absolute best for him.
Subbed. Great interview.
Gosh I fucking love this guy 🫶🏽
He handled this very well, happy to see him, get his story off his chest and put it behind ❤
Hey man! Thanks for this interview there is lots of love for JC! The Intro is really long... esp for the wheels on the bus song. Just helping. Also in the description add who you are or about you. Like you say you know these things about who and what he's talking about but who are you. Just a couple things could help your channel.
That’s crazy I knew of jonny when he toured with farewell unknown! (Cause I lived in WA state but I am from California) that’s how i actually got into dgd😂 I was like “dude has amazing vocals holy shit” then next thing you know they were all dgd besides Joel 😂
Jonny is a vocal renaissance man
Love you JC
This is awesome! I remember in early 2021 (I think) I watched a livestream of his and he was just cocky af and kind of a jerk. Kinda acting odd. I had a feeling he was still struggling. But this Jonny is really awesome!! I’m happy he is doing well right now and I pray he continues to go down this path. JC has an unbelievable, incredible talent that leaves me speechless. I hope he strives and has a successful *healthy* career. But ugh, I miss Slaves so much. 💔
Also, Jonny is the only guy I like with a stache. 😂😂😍
Spinal/nerve damage took my ability to walk for the foreseeable future, and I’m being put on oxy to combat extreme pain before I can start pt. I’m fucking scared tbh. I beat a Xanax addiction 7 years ago, I’m still addicted to cigs, I’m just not familiar with this drug or its power, I’ve only heard stories. All bad endings. Been listening to Jonny since I was 13, that was a long time ago now, saw his whole life unfold multiple times from drugs. I just need to keep my shit together and use the lessons in everything I’ve seen. I’m phobic to needles but have taken everything the docs will give me to help bring my body back to normal and asked for at-home exercises, there’s nothing for nerve damage but time, pt or surgery. I just want to walk again. At least I’ve got music.
I’ve never seen Jonny like this! So fucking awesome
I worked at Zumiez at In San Antonio and Johnny Craig came in trying to buy some nikes but we didn’t have his size and I was like FUCK but then he wanted another size so he bought those it was dope asf my other co worker met him too a few weeks before. This was in 2019
Dude!!!! You used to be a sick photographer!!! Used to see your stuff in AP mag!!!
Jonny is a bonafide life banger, he’s done it all!
He’s given us a lot, he is early dgd, emarosa, and slaves!
Hope this is true, jonny is a legend period
Great interview. Proud of jonny, dudes crushed it lately. Completely diff person it seems.
Also don’t cut the vid so much man, makes it look like you’re cutting stuff out lol.
Thank you! Glad you liked it. Thanks for listening. It looks like that because that is exactly what we are doing.
Chasing the high isnt cliche. It happens with everything. Your brain is wired for linearity. It finds food somewhere and it subconsciously remembers where it got food from. Thats what keeps people coming back. But our brains are plastic so we can always change ourselves by creating new habits.
Smart Recovery is also good for people who don't want a faith-based program.
AA and NA have steps that involve a higher power. Doesn't necessarily have to be God, but it can turn people off.
Smart Recovery is supposed to be grounded in science.
Disclaimer: I have personally never used the program, but I know people who have.
its crazy how like 90% of addictions start off with a doctor prescribed pain med...
Yes, and post-surgical usually.
His ex girlfriend spoke publicly on her youtube channel about how they used together on tour and one of the crew members quit because they were not able to just sit by and watch it. I'm glad to hear they are both clean now.
His story from pills to heroin is my same story as me ...
I appreciate this dude. He has a kid now and it probably gave him a kick up the backside.
I have to say I was thear wean he first started singing in bands I was thear for his ups and down and I have thear is one thing I know he sings from his heart you hear him crying out I will never stop supporting him thay are alot of people in band that do way worse thing and never get called I think alot of people just are scared of his talents but (Jonny I'm VEARY PROUD OF YOU Don't give up I lm fighting ever day to stay sober 7 years now and I'm happy to be alive and having my kids in my life LOVE YOU JONNY YOU SAVED MY LIFE
♥♥♥♥
Jonny is this generations Wayne Staley, only he lived through it
Whatever I say is Royal ocean & downtown battle mountain are masterpieces
Por favor subtitulada al español 😢
Adam needs to work on not saying sorry after any comment that could be slightly offensive. He’s talking to rock stars they’re not gonna get offended.
However, at the same time you can't be too careful.
i feel like im alot like johnny craig..very similar..is he a gemini? i am.
No, Aries. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe he had some Gemini in his chart though.
@@rnbsteenstar oh ok gotcha yeah very similar traits
Wish I existed in the universe jonny never touched drugs n remained with dgd. Could you imagine?