Driving slow cars quickly - Enduro in Automobilista 2
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Its not always about the most exotic cars with the highest horsepower and the most downforce. In fact those can sometimes be more infuriating to drive than they are fun! Going quickly in a slow car cannot be underrated as a way to relax and have a good time. Driving a car which is not trying to kill you around every corner in a large field, around an easy circuit, in changing light and weather conditions. There is a lot of fun to be had in Enduro racing, and Automobilista's Copa Classic 'B' Class are perfect for simulating it!
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I tried a few new video tricks in this one to brighten the night sections. Let me know what you think! I think you can actually see more than I could at the time
Night looks good. Did you apply the settings also to daytime. It seems pretty bright, saturated and almost cartoonish. Or maybe it's only me, because I've been using a reshade with less saturation for quite some time.
not during the day it is something I only applied to the night driving
no reshade here
@@TimoDick Winter looks largely less saturated (aka cartoonish) also
For anyone curious:He is driving an early Puma GTE,fiberglass body on top of a shortened VW Brasília frame,1600cc aircooled boxer. My uncle had a 1978. fun little cars!
Cascavel is absolutely one of the best tracks AMS introduced to sim racers. I absolutely LOVE the flow throughout the lap and trying to push every little bit of speed through each corner. Super fun.
Londrina is awesome too.
If I never see another GT3 or GT4 in sim racing it will be too soon. Give me this kind of thing any day.
So annoying that MP is still filled with GT3 even in AMS2 with all its diversity of cars.
@@2ndLastJedi that's so lame, probably why I never do online.
Pumas were our "Ferraris" at that time (70's and early 80's), due to the closing of the mark for importation during the military regime. This car had a fiberglass body and a 1600ml air-cooled VW engine (Beetle). Love these cars 'till Today!
They're arguably the best Beetle-based cars ever thanks to actually tuning the engine and suspension and actually making the thing quite competitive.
The 80's cars in Brazil are so nostalgic. All developed and produced in the country because importation was banned until early 90's. My dad had a Puma
Thank so much for bringing this racing class to my attention! I've been trying to find "slow" cars to help introduce friends to my rig when they come over to try it out for the first time, these cars are great for building confidence before getting absolutely rekt as I move them up to the Indycars etc 😂
I like it, build up their confidence first ;)
slow cars in ams2 are the best ever. my personal favourite are the Caterham academy cars. such a blast for endurance races.
I agree, I don't think any sim does slow cars as good as AMS2 can.
I really like the channel and I live in Cascavel, it's my hometown. I've watched races on this circuit since I was a kid, it opened in 1972.
youve got a great circuit! lots of fun to race, especially without that chicane
@@GPLaps The first turn is extremely challenging and is called "Bacião" which means big basin. Perhaps one of the most famous curves on Brazilian circuits.
This video put the AMS2 bug back into me, and pushed me to drive some of the cars I really don't drive as much as I should - eventually ended up in the '74/'75 F1 cars (Formula Retro Gen 1) with the '75 skin pack from Race Department.
Absolutely incredible! Especially with the lastest tyre updates that have been coming out, the front end no longer feels like it has way too much grip compared to the rear, especially with those HUGE rear tyres.
If anyone wants to have some fun, try recreating the '75 British GP at Silverstone with the crazy weather. Dry, rain, dry, heavy rain/storm. It's difficult, but incredibly rewarding when you get it right and don't end up in the fence at Club like most of 'em did in real life 😂
You should give the classic Mini Cooper a shot. It's incredibly fun around shorter circuits.
Driving slow cars quickly is one of my favorite things, and AMS2 does it so well.
Its Always much more exciting in lower tier Cars✊🏾
I love watching these vintage sports cars videos. It's so cool seeing these low powered cars being slung around tracks and street courses.
That Valvoline paint scheme is 10/10
Wow, the Fiat Uno Turbo, a 1.3cc engine producing 108 hp and 123 mph top speed whith a weight of only about 900 kg, what a car! I remember being called the Coffin on wheels , amazing on a straught line, but turning thus beast was really hard, 0 to 60 in about 8 seconds in 1988. My first car was a second generation Fiat Uno with only 45hp and it was a great little car. Awsome video, as allaways!
Copa Classic is hands down my favorite class in AMS2, especially the Fiat. I love the ridiculous amount of lift off oversteer.
Entertaining race and commentary. I suggest to try again a similar race in the Opala 1986 (or '79) at the Nords in winter (for ex, early February). It blew my mind. There's so much amazing track/car/date/weather/time accel combos in AMS2 to try, it's crazy!
I agree, thats one of the best parts of AMS2’s systems, all the random options!
Great video as always. The Puma is a classic Brazilian car, kinda one ours muscle cars, alongside the Opalas. Regarding the free camera on replays, IIRC, you can achieve that by pausing the replays and pressing ctrl+k. Then move the camera sort of like the drone camera in photo mode, but with slightly different movement.
Cascavel is indeed a blast. You should also try Tarumã (TahrooMUH), it's the fastest brazilian track, quite short, no long straights but with lots of fast sweepers. It hosts a 12h endurance race every year. Both tracks are old time classics in brazilian motorsports.
My favorite is Goiania, it's such a fast flowing circuit that pushes most cars to their limits.
I love that you mix bits of the replay in with the racing. Please keep doing this. 👍
Big fan of this type of racing. Who needs ACC type GT3 shenanigans when you can race one of these where the driver can make a massive difference. Reminds me of clubman weekends.
(also the "up the nose" reflection on the gear change light (42:00 shows it clearly) is a full can't unsee thing)
I think the idea of "driving slow cars quickly" is exactly why GT4's and TCR's are becoming more and more popular nowadays. Low cost vehicles that are slower but more fun to drive and are available on a competitive level around the world are what bring both viewers and teams into the folds of both classes, unlike classes on the more expensive and trickier end (GT2, Trans Am, Le Mans Prototypes, etc). Feel like that's why no one likes DPi anymore and can't wait for LMdH.
Regarding the missing features for content creation, I completely agree. Free cameras, but even more, more comfort going through the replay, would be extremely welcome. Maybe we can address that to the developers to move it further up their priority list.
it would be nice but i can understand it being a niche feature
@@GPLaps i don't think you can - ive asked before. It has to do with the livetrack feature
Inability to seek freely in replays is a technical limitation on how the Madness Engine record these, so I would not expect it to be ever possible
The replay system unfortunately is relatively untouched from how it was in Project CARS 2
@@youp1tralala dang, that sucks. It's weird how that's a limitation.
Awesome job, I love the random cars like this in AMS2, its also worth noting how easy compared to other sims it is to drive with friends, anyone with the game can setup a session with AI to make up numbers if you want and away you go. We drive those cars around Adelaide street circuit and its so fun just yeeting it through the chicanes battlign the AI and friends.
I always enjoyed driving the Porsche 914 against some 911s in rFactors 1970 Le Mans mod the most! Super tight racing from start to finish!
I love the Brazilian copa cars. Even though I have AMS2 I always go back to racing these in AMS1.
Great video as usual
19:08 this is why modern gt cars have lights pointing to the sides of the track to eliminate the tunnel vision
Hey Jake, regarding the pitstops in AMS2 you can do it on the fly like in AC, just bring up the relevant in car menu and on a straight you can fiddle and tweak to your hearts content so you can in theory utterly change strat if you so wish.
Nice to see a legend like you driving in one of my home country Tracks.
Authentic liveries add a lot to immersion.
You can change pitstop details with the mfd. The pitcrew will be repairing your engine and everything else which takes a lot of time. You can also choose tyre and fuel levels.
Cascavel is such a fun track. Love it
That was a really fun race and now has me keen to race a Mk1 Scirocco (Gol) in a Champioship against these other cars. Lots more videos like this one please Jake to go with the excellent Richie Axelson series. :)
Thank you so much on this video. I know its old but i love copa and changing the ratio made more laps more consistant. I love your content and all track and car reccomendations.
Hey man, long time watcher, 1st time subscriber.
You're my favorite wheel man since William Marsh, (rip) and you remind me of him too. I used to race Nascar 98 and GP Legends too. Got my start with the legendary GP2 back in '96. Burned through a half dozen wheels by now and this one is on it's last laps. It's a Red Legend I've repaired twice. Some day I"ll move up to FF.
Currently running rfactor F1 1991 in Berger's seat. Love that old McLaren.
Anyway, enjoy the new rig.
Maybe someday we can have a race. They got this thing called the internet. Might try that some time. Ciao.
Thanks Jake . Another rabbit hole for me to go down! 😊
This series is based on Copa Classic. It's a historical racing series for cars from early 90's, 80's and 70's, and sometimes 60's. It's a gentleman series.
The name of the series in the game, please!
@@bestopinion9257 it is also Copa Classic
@@RTPJu I found it, thank you!
Loving both the Pumas in AMS2!
As always, magical material with great commentary!
So much fun to watch with the lighting transitions :D
You can access and set your pit strategy during a race if you map the proper menu. I didn't know this for a long time until I saw Timo doing it during one of his IndyCar races.
Great racing and expert commentary to boot.
But... I've suggested this to Jimmy Broadbent, I've suggested this to Gamer Muscle, and I've suggested this to Chris Haye - you have got to try the Brazilian V8's.
I tool around with them from time to time, definitely at some point!
about AI and fuel, i remember tried out some cart races with high fuel wear only and the AI would always pit way more than it needed it, so it still depends on the car as well
That VW that looks like a scirocco its actually an "Gol". Very popular car here in latam since the 90s
im embarassed i called it a golf!
That Puma looks like an old-school Alpine 110 S.
That was the inspiration for sure.
It even has an alpine livery
Yeah, your previous video was at Yahuarcocha/Ibarra, Ecuador. I'd love it if we could someday get a mod of the old, 10-km circuit around the lake, kind of like Potrero de los Funes in San Luis, Argentina.
I'm less keen on Campo Grande, Velo Citta, and Velopark (and Caruaru if it was in AMS2), but that still leaves several good Brazilian tracks on the slate. I wouldn't mind if Fortaleza got added at some point.
There is at least a mod for Super TC 2000, as far as I can tell, for AMS2. It would be nice if, at some point, there was also Top Race V6 and Turismo Carretera. And yes, I know, this is more focused on Brazil than Argentina, but it would really help fill out the South American side of things as a whole.
Also, some of those Argentine series have visited Brazil from time to time. Not to mention, it would be more good Touring/Stock Car material.
Of course, once you get to that point, it's like, "Okay, what Argentine and Uruguayan tracks do we need to add now?"
I like the shape and proportions of that Puma. It looks like a poor man's Dino/911. Lot of Datsun 240Z similarities too. I thought it was rear-engined though.
In-and-out, quick 60 lemons adventure 😹
just a small correction, it isn't a golf, it's a gol, yeah the same name as goal hahahah, they are one of the most sold populars cars here in brazil to this day, give a try to brazilian prototypes as well I think you might like then as well
I'm about 6 months late on this but it made for a great view!
You should also try out the Copa Fusca, it has a similar performance to these cars but it feels like a tiny Porsche
Another great video. I've been trying Automobilista2 a bit more recently but still can't quite get used to the tyre squeal sounds and the force feedback yet. Spent too long iracing.
GPLaps goes to Brasil!
logs into Ams2 plays this lots this week :)
What a nice niche racing league
I think the SAAB model you were thinking of was the Sonett (maybe the II or III specifically).
amazing race... try this... foggy dusk till dawn nordschleife without headlighs on full moon nights...
Hey GP have you tried some of the cars with the tire rework. Right now the Super V8 and P1 are just so awesome. The only thing is last month they did a rework with GT3 and the most popular cars and they dialed back some of the changes so give these a try while the getting is good.
Hello. I've been enjoying a Lot of your series on ams2. I remember during an unboxing of a load Cell pedal you included a view for the pedala. If you could return with them and the gearbox. I have a th8a but i can't downshift properly.
Thanks for the content
Great video. I would love to do an endurance event like this in multiplayer but unfortunately the majority of the online races are only 10 minutes long.
Can you host one. I'll join!
@@darwinLee81283 I found a great group that drives every Thursday evening. Maybe they would be up to it. But I think we would need at least 24 drivers. The group is usually 10-12 people. I would host a race but for an event like this you need a dedicated server.
Saab Sonnett!!!
Wonderful track. Love the period correct liveries and cars. Did you qualify?
"crap" car racing is where it's at. Anyone can look like a God with 1200lbs of downforce. I can drive FWD but enjoy RWD more
There are some Pumas in the US, as far as I know this first generation has not been sold, but the following ones were, I would love to know how they were sold, because there were definitely no Puma dealerships, I don't know if they were through independent importers, maybe some VW dealer, since it's built on a Beetle chassis, or if the Puma had a representative in the US, and people called after seeing an ad in a magazine and ordered one.
My grandfather had a Puma, and the way they got around the trade rules brazil had in the ~70's-80's was the cars had the engine and axel removed, and were then legally able to be sold in the US as a 'kit car' in magazines of the time. I remember him saying you ordered one, they showed up on a flatbed, dropped off the car, the engine and axle, and if you knew what you were doing would have it up and running in a few hours.
Neat little cars, he eventually redid the rear body to add air intakes, and put in an acura integra motor to his, which made a car that light pretty peppy.
@@zargonramirez6519 Very interesting, but how he managed to put an Integra engine in a Puma? People usually put Subaru engines in these cars, I've even seen Porsche engines, but never an inline 4 cylinder
There's a Donut Media video on Pumas. Muhammad Ali tried to make em work in the US. A very interesting story.
Rattlesnake Circuit. 😅🤣
You got balls spending more then 5 minutes in one of these cars.
Have you ever raced the Porsche 911 Carrera Cup (964's) in Raceroom, using the h-pattern shifter, fun car in my opinion, just saying.
I'm very tempted with Automoblista (I use acc and raceroom) but this race has decided it for me. are these cars included in the game or are they dlc?
Included
@@joytser fantastic, thank you
I'm hearing a lot about issues with AI not refueling correctly/optimally. Is this something you have run into? I've read that a longish practice session helps with calibration, is that something you do?
AI dont know to pit for tires as far as ive heard so thats why i pumped up the fuel rate but not tires. I could be wrong but it seemed to work out here!
cool Puma cool, real car was a complete nothing but it was beautiful
Absolutely love Cascavel, such a great track.
It's a shame AMS2 Continues the Madness Engine's tradition as "hit or miss" when it comes to the driving experience - and the weird MicroStutters on both my rig and in parts of this video also sometimes take me out of the immersion - that being said, stuff like the MCR 2000 and the Sprint Race cars are an absolute riot.
Nice change of pace. I assume the VWs are Sciroccos. When you said the Puma looked like a Saab did you mean the Sonnet? IIRC the Saab Sonnet was a bit more angular. But I've not seen one in years...
Yes it was the Sonnet! Cool little car
What was the AI difficulty at?
Until AMS2 allows driver changes it's not an endurance race.
So good! Gearing could be longer so you could ride 3rd out?
there are no gearing options with these cars, probably pretty realistic
@@GPLaps doh, I should have waited before posting, you literally covered it. Great class, great content!
Looks like lots of fun. The madness engine really starts to show its age nowadays, though. Day/night transitions still look very pretty but the cockpit lighting and especially those gauges look like they are a generation behind the status quo now.
interesting take, i think ams2 is one of the most beautiful sims out right now. im not sure what else in the sim space comes close!
@@GPLaps Yeah ok, if you compare it to other sims only, then it is still top notch, even though I think ACC looks a lot better and more realistic. Then again, most other sim graphics engines are very old at this point and since I play non-racing games as well and see what they do with lighting and effects, my perspective might be a bit different. :P
@@TheRealFLX81 TAA blur aside, ACC clearly looks a lot closer to the real thing than this game does.
What bothers me most about AMS 2 from a visual perspective is how sterile and artificial it comes across, especially in sunny midday conditions on foliage heavy tracks like Oulton Park and Brands Hatch.
Grass and trees both have a plastic like appearance as do the cars which often look more like model toys than actual vehicles, even with mod liveries.
Despite its weather system and certain lighting advances, to me AMS 2 severely lacks the naturalism and grit of its predecessor.
Im also someome who doesnt mind staring at a 320x200 dos game for 4 hours so take my opinion with a grain of salt!
@@GPLaps Dude, I know. Me neither, actually. I also still have my beloved original gameboy. :D
Driving slow cars quickly sounds like a quote from a fast and the furious rip off
I wonder if Brazilians say "Poo-Maa"? ;-)
As a brazilian, i can confirm. And the Puma GT (the model used in game) is my all time childhood favorite car, and it's the car that made me fall in love with cars and racing.
Is there any other way to pronounce it?
In England we'd say something like "Pew-ma."
Well... actually the "poo" would be little shorter, dryer and darker... if you really wanna know.
They ruined these lower series in the last major update. The fwd cars all understeer like crazy, the Fusca Copa and impalas are sloppy now I really hope they go back and patch these base unique content pieces they marketed the game with. They used to be a blast to drive.
I did feel some oddstuff in the fwd cars but i didnt know of that was because i dont drive them often. the Puma was a lot of fun, just had to reduce the steering ratio
@@GPLaps I tried this combo yesterday in both AMS 1 and AMS 2 and what struck me immediately is the massive lift-off oversteer on the Puma GTE in the first game and its (almost?) total absence in AMS 2.
Also tried the Gol and I believe one of the Passats and these too were substantially more temperamental to drive in AMS 1.
Hard to say which approach is the more correct, but it seems unlikely such a major difference is simply due to divergent default setups.
It is of course in Portuguese, but see a Brazilian league racing this exact setup: ua-cam.com/video/RjNkK1bdQ_g/v-deo.html. It was an amazing championship.
I mean, come on this is a new Sim. Why does it still look so bland? I have a beast of a PC and a professional Simrig, so can we at least get proper working shadows and moving spectators? Imagine driving through the Nordschleife and you have the full 24 Hour setting with spectators moving along, BBQs smoking, people taking pictures and the fully operating fun fair in the background, choppers and marshalls working at the trackside. It could be all baked in. Every calculator should be able to compute this shit by now. Yet racing sims still look like it´s 2004.
Brazilian cars
MAH BRAZIL aaaaaaaaa
Why do Americans pronounce it Poo-ma, should be pew? It's a U not an O. The clue is in how you pronounce the letter itself... you. Also goes for things like You Tube and Duty.