I agree with you 💯. I don't think the jury accurately understood the mood of the bar, how loud the band was or how many breaks they had. And to demonstrate how they packed up their gear.
So this 30 year career police officer has a house he leaves unlocked, a German Shepherd (mix) that doesn't bark at an hour's worth of commotion outside his bedroom window, children and a wife that don't notice fire trucks, police cars and two ambulances outside the front door and NOT ONE of them hears an hysterical woman screaming at the top of lungs? And the Best Friend who rolls up to the house doesn't go straight to the front door and start banging to get assistance? They have to wait for a patrol car?! Oh I forgot to mention, according to his wife, their sons are too careless or lazy or distracted about hanging onto house keys and that constantly changing locks too expensive so that’s the intelligent reason they used to simply not lock the front doors. Also, no surveillance cameras anywhere. Man, THAT is one secure man. He knows no one in that STATE is going to mess with this family. Oh yeah, ETA, his ATF friend comes in last according to one person present, but gets there first and shovels the driveway with his big truck. Well, which is it? You know, for having been a snowstorm or blizzard conditions that night, there wasn’t that much snow on top of John’ vehicle or the SUVs in the driveway the next morning. For all the mentioning of how awful they expected it be and experienced during the collecting of evidence at 6:45 - 8 am, the photos taken later that day and the driveway video shows not much snow accumulation.
@@nicoljane3083 you might think this happened but the Man of the Castle said in court he took Chloe outside to pee and returned her to their bedroom upstairs. He ALSO testified that he escorted his good friend, the ATF Brian, UPSTAIRS to look at a photograph of their son in the Service. You know, where the dog who doesn't care for strangers was except she was safely locked up in his bedroom. Not the basement. He can't have it both ways.
@@teacat55 I wasn't referring to what he did with Chloe during their party. Not that I believe his testimony anyway but the commotion outside 6.00am ish during the time Karen was screaming and engine's where running. He wouldn't take the chance of her barking during that time.
@@nicoljane3083 so, in summary I think we both don’t believe a word he has uttered about anything. If he *lies* about any single aspect of the events, he knows the prosecution’s theory is wrong and he’s framing an innocent person. It will unravel with the testimony from good friend Jen, everyone’s favorite pal.
I’ve worked in news for 30 years. When we hear scanner conversations about a dead officer crews are immediately sent to the scene (even in a snowstorm). Curious how there were no news crews on scene when law enforcement was crawling all over that yard.
What a vile occupation being in news is with doing things like this and then lying to the public about everything. Maybe a Nightcrawler newsman did it.
He went to the funeral of a New York City police officers that he didn’t know, but he never went to John O’Keefe‘s funeral who is a cop was found on his lawn?? And a fellow Boston police officer from his hometown where his brother is a selectman..and the other a detective! Awfully suspicious the behavior they didn’t do!
Not if the tabloid press/internet weirdos were already attacking his family over the incident and the O'Keefe family would have an easier time without them there.
At the end of week 2 here's what stands out: Apparently the prosecution thinks this case rests on if it was snowing that night, when it started snowing, how much it was snowing, and what type of snow was falling. Apparently the commonwealth also thinks a leaf blower is a valid forensic tool, a neighbors red solo cups are forensically stable evidence containers, and a rolled up paper Stop & Shop bag in a vehicle bay counts as a secure evidence storage. As someone who knew nothing about this case and has only watched your coverage if I were a juror I'm not sure the prosecution can overcome the above issues to get a conviction but we will see...
That’s what I can’t overcome. The state lost me at Red Solo Cups. They could show a video of Read making snow angels in the parking lot and chanting “I’m so druuuuunk” and my response would STILL be, ok but…RED SOLO CUPS.
This whole BS case is an absolute disgrace! Only "good" thing is all these corrupt liars being exposed for the scum they are trying to send an innocent woman to rot in prison!
@@sherrythiel6505 Cuz they cant prove jack shit! She'd have to be an unhinged lunatic to try offing her bf w/her car nevermind in front of a house FULL of cops ffs!!! And ZERO motive! Successful, accomplishd 40+yr old woman w/MS & Chrons who has her own $, house, career, NO record & the "worst" thing we've heard frm anyone in 2 weeks is she "spoiled" Johns niece & nephew!?! The ppl who brought this case deserve prison!!! Hope Karen sues this town into oblivion after!
1:02:34. - Brian says he and Brian went upstairs to look at old marine photos in sons room. But his wife Nicole testified in her direct, they were looking at marine / family photos in the family room together!
@@annelucke-gb8gb wait for Caitlyn! Considering they had plenty of time to discuss it you'd think, if they were telling the truth, it'd be the same story wouldn't you. Higgins had also been there before so why that particular time did they choose to get all reminiscent looking at photos?
Yeah 💯- why are they lying? Plus, do those same Brian’s from the Waterfall video footage (including Brian’s round of fireball shots) really seem the type of dudes to spend an after party looking at a wall of sentimental family photos? Sure, it’s possible, but…. I suspicious 🤔
So Jen runs into the house hysterical AFTER the first responders have come and gone but didn’t think to run in for help and some blankets when they find John on the lawn? Seems suspicious
Exactly!! I would think one would run inside and wake everyone up and try to render some aid. Officer lives in home and has prior military experience and he doesn’t run outside to help the Man they were all having drinks with just hours prior?? Shady AF
Also JM was hysterical when she burst into the bedroom but cool as a cucumber on the 911 call and while talking to police that morning before going inside the house?
I just do not buy that a Boston Catholic Police Officer with five children who clearly likes to be in control does not go outside under these circumstances on his property.
Right? He thought it might have been one of his kids to begin with, then finds out it’s someone else’s child and is like meh, I don’t wanna get involved
BA testified that he went to NY to honor a fallen officer but also said he didn't want anything to do with the dead officer on his lawn. Make it make sense! 🤪
So what he didn't even get 4 hours sleep. I still get up for work and foal horses with less than 4 hours sleep in 2 days. I would be out the house wondering wtf is happening on my front lawn even after no sleep. It's so ridiculous.
@@007nadineL I’m a nurse, want to know how many times I’ve gotten up with less than 4 hours sleep? A lot! We had a fire one night in our townhouse complex and I was watching, even though I had to get up at 5:30 for work.
My dad is a retired NJ state police. Growing up and even now our doors were ALWAYS locked and my dad would have killed me and my sisters if we didn’t lock the doors. And we lived in a very safe neighborhood and area. I was so used to locking doors after coming into the house that when I started dating my husband I would accidentally lock him out when he was smoking outside (he has since stopped smoking). I find it odd a detective, who I’m sure has seen some messed up stuff was so nonchalant about locking doors.
“We call it an electrical box but we really don’t know what it does”.. aren’t those the same exact words his wife used? Also, the wife should really get a medical examination, she seems to have some type of amnesia.
That appears to be the plan of the prosecutor: Put the jury asleep with absolute bullshit, meaningless, pointless, superfluous questions - only to wake them up at the end of trial to have them render a guilty verdict. 🙄🤮
I really find hard to believe they never heard the commotion outside the window or even that Chloe didn't react. Everything sounds sus. Also, I would never barge in anyone's bedroom, let alone a police officer.
Ya & a fam full of cops w/NO security cams, scanners or work radios they typically keep on specifically for emergencies! Its insulting & hope this disgrace of a judge is disbarred for her behavior & abuse of power!
Their backyard has been running trains for 50 years. They're deaf to outside noise. Plus the emergency vehicles didn't have alarms on as streets deserted. Plus snow deadens noise.
My dog sleeps with my mom in the downstairs master bedroom and without fail, if I go down there when they’ve already settled in, he will bark and he KNOWS it’s me. There is no way Chloe remained calm during that ‘chaotic’ scene
Our EXTREMELY friendly, trusting, docile and quiet english bulldog will bark when one of us comes back from the bathroom at night or comes to bed late. I can not imagine Chloe handling it well.
Having seen the photo of the arm injuries now … I think they panicked based on the past bite incidents and frequent fence breaches - they were going to sued into financial ruin. If he a died from something else… maybe they could avoid that. Harsh, but the story/investigation is totally off.
That's why when EDB keeps saying: "why? Why are you asking this? We already know this!" *!*! All I'm thinking is prosecution just wanted to drain the clock so the jury doesn't close the week with defense questions in their minds.
My dog would have vocally insisted that we get up and investigate what was happening on his property. My dog becomes offended if anyone he doesn't know loiters around his perceived territory.
If someone (even my brother whom deems himself my dogs best friend) burst In my room while we are sleeping , my dogs would vociferously make it clear he didn't belong... I'm not buying a German Shepard layed there like eeehhh whatever....
I literally have to tell my dog other people live in our neighborhood and are allowed to drive and walk along our street. Any noise outside and he is barking at the front window. The dog part is bizarre now that I have heard their testimony
What I’m scratching my head about is; if I was dropping my boyfriend off at someone’s house in the middle of the night, while it was snowing. I would pull into the driveway or pull up to the driveway to drop him off. I would not drop him off on opposite end of the driveway for him to walk across lawn in snow. I find it to be a bizarre spot for John to be found dead if Karen hit him with her car.
He could have called the Police or Fire Departments, or buddies he knew were working that shift, upon noticing lights or screaming. Either department, any working peers, Chief of D’s living across the street etc, could have contacted him to give a heads up as to activity on his lawn. All of these make more sense to me, than no one contacting him.
MARRIED to a retired LEO & Army Major here. "Bursting" into our bedroom in the "nighttime part of morning" could be life threatening. There's always a loaded gun on the nightstand reserved for just those types of situations!!
@@007nadineL what exactly is your point? There was only 1 grown up child at home as far as I Heard in evidence? Like I've asked before, do you know different?
I thought maybe, if they have blackout blinds and sleep deeply they weren't awakened by the first responders. HOWEVER! Now that we see their room was in the right front corner and the dog was in there, and we know they used a leaf blower! Either they or the dog would've heard something. They would've heard Karen screaming before I think that would've gotten the dog up for sure!
@@wonder5487when Karen was in Jens car looking for John, Karen called John's phone, when she saw him on the lawn she threw her phone and jumped out of the car. Meanwhile her cell phone continued to record Jen while Jen was whispering to someone on the other line. You can hear Jen saying "are you coming out" that was at 6:07am I believe
@@snappEturtle Oh WOW! I didn't know. I am doing this trial like EDB. without knowing any info or history. I got hooked on watching Monday with the leaf-blower and Solo Cups and Stop and Shop Grocery bag!
What I keep asking myself is if KR did run over the curb and hit him, wouldn’t there be tire ruts in grass. That would still be in the grass after snow melted.
No there wouldn't necessarily be tire marks unless she got stuck and created ruts. My husband has driven on our lawn before both with a vehicle and his quad, when the snow melts there are no marks.
@hnraj9441 Which is why I mentioned ruts. We had a driver hit a patch of ice due to speeding, and she ended up driving through our yard. There were no marks after the snow melted. It remains to be seen in this case.
Replay crew here. Thank you Emily and Team for the time and effort it takes to cover these case. Regarding this case, imo, it really seems the prosecution is focusing more on proving the Mc-Alberts had nothing to do with this and less on proving KR is guilty... so odd
Emily D Baker is neurodivergent. If I hear one more comment about how someone's reaction is odd to her. What if one of the witnesses was autistic? Just throwing it out there. Not everyone reacts the same as others. I laugh when I shouldn't. Love EDB but loved how she was more informed with the Murdaugh case. This seems more like - oh, why, did she not remember. Oh, why did she answer so quickly? It's not like rumors have been circulating about them. I haven't followed the case, but just looking at this crowd of supporters and KR's face, this defense team is aggressive.
@@deserttoebeanchaos, I do not know what neurodivergence has anything to do with it, but the manner of these witnesses have been very suspect. The wife made 67 phone calls in a short span of time to one person, but she mostly texts her? I'm glad the defense pushed for the jury to see the witnesses because they appear not to believe their own words.
Interesting how their RING camera went missing and the neighbor across the street's was MIA during the murder! Can't wait to see how they explain that one!
@@noreengardner1075I would say that's an accurate observation. From my experience I know this kind of group. Large Irish families of BPD frequent heavy drinking, you roll with the punches and do what you're told. You stay together for the kids and the financial security.
"A shocking lack of curiosity" was said in response by Mr. Albert about the front yard electrical box has me laughing out loud. Emily is a master of the one-liners.
It dawned on me today that had Karen texted John when she made it to the house safely after dropping him off and had he responded all of us LawNerds would not be living together in Massachusetts for 8 weeks right now. This might be the first ever case where I'm looking forward to cell extraction data. That tells you how bored the prosecution's case is and how much they've painted a picture for us. Currently they're still setting up the friggen easel and they've forgotten to purchase paint brushes. And paint. And a canvas. And it's TWO WEEKS IN!
14:30 Chat: "Emily, please don't swear, I'm at work!" Emily: *"Alright Chat, next witness, HERE! THE F#%K! WE GO!"* LOL I love you, please never change🤣
I know we’re not speaking of additional information that the jury isn’t hearing but this might be an exception. I may have done some digging and discovered that the band playing that night was called LSD (short for Lead Singers’ Disease) and it seems they mostly do 90’s covers. Think Melissa Etheridge, Gin Blossoms, Black Crowes, etc. They’re actually not that bad.
The 90s are coming back with a vengeance. I saw a band the other night that has a sprinkling of 90s covers and I was amazed at the teens dancing and singing along. They also all reminded me of myself, in grade 8, going through my very awkward stage.
Just starting the afternoon replay. Emily, I had different views of the dog's behavior that morning. If my German Shepherd knew the person coming into my room she wouldn't blink. But sleeping in my room with me or even sleeping anywhere on my 3 acre property, she'd go bonkers at that happening on my front lawn.
My GS as well is chill, but she will definitely let you know if the neighbors cat is our yard or the neighbors are home late. No way did that GS not react to all that activity outside their bedroom. I don't believe it. We have major storms, and she is chill, but anything out of the norm, she will jump up and alert ya.
My dad's friends GS was a great dog that was the sweetest dog around me as a child. Until I went to the wrong place at the house he didn't want me and he let me know ..then when the dumb kid ignored him proceeded to bite me in the face. Basically even if a dog knows you if you're busting in a bed room door it's going to react.
My husband dislikes the question “what are you thinking about?” and always says “nothing” so I’m switching tactics and asking “what if anything are you thinking?” from now on.
Right! At first I was like okay, leaving the donuts in the car in a blizzard is weird, not what I'd do but whatever. But when I heard there was also coffee I was done lol
Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't Nicole say the Brian's were in the family room looking at pictures and she went in too, but he said they "went upstairs" to look at pictures??? 🤔
Why was she going to leave donuts in the car? If it was a snow day, she didn't know he was going to drive that day. There's something weird about that story
@@robinmaynard1640 I think she wanted the donuts to be a surprise, even though she did it every year and they all knew 😏. It isn’t a surprise if they see her.
It was just a silly thing she did on birthdays. She would treat by getting doughnuts and leave them in the car so in the morning when the birthday person woke up they would be there. I don’t find it suspicious.
If he was over near the fire hydrant and it was cold so they rushed to/from the house i can see that, it is a large distance away. Kind of wonder how they are going to explain how he got there from her reversing out of the drive way.
I’m confused, many people left the Albert house between 1:00 and 2:00 or later and nobody saw a body on the lawn? Why would Karen drop John off after 2:00 in the morning. If I recall, John had never been to the Albert house before. They said the 40 some pieces of taillight were on the Albert lawn, so that means they are saying she must have hit him there. They left the bar shortly after 12:00 am.
There are so many questions in my head. I cant believe if he was on the lawn that NO ONE Saw him and that if there were so many vehicles in the vicinity of there home that NO-ONE came outside..and that none of the cops there knocked on the door to ask questions...
It's possible that the body wasn't seen because he was so far away from the driveway & front door.. He might have only been visible to someone parked on the street.
Aaaand the benefit of being on Replay Crew... you can zoom through the direct examination on 2x while you fold laundry. Lol! The train noise regarding the dog was an interesting point, but... my dogs know the difference between a car just driving by/one of us pulling up in the carport(a word I'm now dying to hear one of these MA people say)/the Amazon delivery truck. They know what the neighbor's kids sound like when they're playing in the front yard vs someone walking by talking loudly on their phone. They know approx what time the mailman comes by and puts mail through the mail slot on the front door every day (though they still haven't figured out he's not comin on Sunday). ALSO, mine will grumble and sometimes bark when they see the flashy lights coming through the edges of the curtains at night (we live in a neighborhood with a lot of very old people currently. IYK,YK. check up on your neighbors please! even if it's just makin sure you see the kitchen light turned on/off every evening or whatever.). But some GSDs can be super chill. It's still super sus that they didn't wake up... not even a little... at least half the first responders in town were in their front yard for hours with all those bright a$$ LED lights flashing. Plus people calling their phones. I'm a heavy sleeper, but come on.
I agree that some GSD can be super chill, but this one doesn't seem to be that way all the time. It all adds up to they HAD to know. Their lack of response says so.
Very valid points. And not to mention police scanner?? I am very nosey about my neighbors, my one has not mowed his lawn twice now, it's been his son, and he loves mowing his lawn. I'm hoping to see him outside soon to have a chitty chat cuz I'm sure he's sad about that! I've even had dreams that I chatted about him not mowing his lawn cuz it's that big of a deal in my mind!
@@007nadineLParticularly cops, firefighters and doctors are very used to very short episodes of sleep, followed by jumping into their boots and being at peak performance immediately.
@@007nadineL snow doesn't deaden noise to that degree. I live in northern Wisconsin. Karen's screaming was loud enough to be picked up by the dash cam in the closed car IN THE SNOW. Why are you so invested in her being guilty despite the incredible lack of evidence in this trial so far? Why are you the only person here with this passionate of a "karen murdered him" take?
I have had German shepherds for many years - some didn’t bark at anything (they were actually the ones to watch out for), others raised hell at the slightest sound. 🤷♀️
@@basicallyno1722 I don’t know - never had him in that situation. Had someone break into my truck (right below my bedroom window) - if he alerted to them, it didn’t wake me up. But they or anyone better not barge into my bedroom, it would have been bite first - questions later
The point about the dog’s behavior is such an amazing point. My dog sleeps with us and with go off if a possum walks by outside and forget about an amazon delivery. I wake up every time! There’s just no way! There’s also no way anyone, including my sister, comes barging into my room - no matter what! Even if my door is open, they would scream my name upon entry. In a life or death situation there’s usually a lot of screaming and I’m to believe ALL OF SUDDEN Bostonians are QUIET?!?! 🤔 Nah, that’s what’s really wrong here!
Soo they didn't hear karen screaming?? I can understand They didn't see the lights of a police car and an ambulance.But a women screaming in your street didn't wake up a policeman super suspish..
I love that you use the F bomb and no remorse. I listen to you at work, and bust out laughing every time you get pissed off over the stupid sh*t. Cracks me up. Love your channel.
Emily gives a warning in the intro, people need to pay attention. Perhaps they should be part of the replay crew, if they are unable to wear earbuds at work. 🤷♀️
Replay Team Here: IMO the dog would definitely have heard the screaming & started barking its head off with all the activity going on in the front yard!!!! No doubt in my mind!!
When I served on a jury, I needed the judge’s permission to bring my knitting needles. Over the week, two other ladies brought theirs too and we taught a couple other jurors how to knit. 😊
I brought my crocheting during jury selection, but it was only a 1.5 day trial and too interesting to need to distract myself. We also took short breaks in the courtroom all together and all I wanted to do then was stretch and use the bathroom. But if I had a long trial like this (especially with someone like Lally) and time waiting before and after I def would have a project to finish!
There's a lot of down time that they don't show. You're just sitting there and waiting. No phones. You can't talk to the other jurors about the case until deliberations. They don't always allow you to access your court notes during down time, mine were kept from me unless I was in the court room. They don't allow you to knit or read during the actual trial, it's during all the waiting periods. So this is not an appeal at all. I was on a murder trial for a month and read 4 books.
@@enigma_-_79they didn’t say they were knitting during evidence and teaching others to knit while in the jury box. I’m sure there was plenty of time to kill. If I were on a jury I’d definitely have something in the jury room that I could do for times of sitting around and waiting .
It looks "staged" to me. He keeps strangely misspeaking on irrelevant things (whose bedroom it was, past and present tense corrections on irrelevant details) and it makes me think he's been trained to do that on purpose because self-corrected misspeaks give the jury an impression of unfiltered honesty. The fact that he does it on only inconsequential and obvious details makes me think it's deliberate. "My bedroo- OUR bedroom, my wife and- my bedroom"... sir this cannot be a genuine struggle.
Catching up: We actually had a complete stranger streak into our apartment (my bedroom; she broke a shelf) at 6 am one time. Our dog, admittedly a couch potato, didn't even get up, l0l. But I do think a high-strung Shepherd would bark or at least get up!
You think your dog thought it was probably you making the noise? 😂 I’ve heard of some breeds not doing anything during break-ins. Labs and Goldens have been known to greet intruders with tail wags and hand licks
Why doesn’t the judge call out Lally and tell him to move along or not repeat himself, when she says as much to the defense?? This is such nonsense testimony it’s absurd
In replay for the afternoon. One thing that struck me is Nicole Albert saying the kids often left the door blocked but apparently she was the last one to bed. So why didn’t she lock it or did one of the kids come back later?
Also ludicrous: law enforcement that doesn't do the bare minimum to protect their families by making sure the doors and windows are locked. And no security system other than a dog who doesn't attack someone bursting through the door of your bedroom in the early. morning. And no working cameras. It's hard to imagine anyone bursting through a closed bedroom door behind which is a large, healthy law enforcement body with ego, weapons and an attack dog. Amazing.
Bro no way I’m bursting into anyones bedroom even if they’re not military/ police unless I believed the ppl inside were injured and needed help. In an emergency I’m pounding on the door and yelling out to them. And it’s very possible the dog is desensitized to the train sound, but the sound of someone bursting into a bedroom or fire/Mets on the lawn is very different. I know not every individual GSD has the same traits but GSDs are bred to be suspicious and alert for herding and now for protection.
@@saradf4890 yeah, it doesn't make sense and is one more thing that makes none of this believable. She was calm when she came out too. This is all story, not facts.
I think that she doesn't like the dog. Calling Chloe "it" and saying , "the family loved that dog." Not, "we loved that dog." I'm sure there's more but those two stand out.
@@itsjust_Lisa he is an mma fighter on top of a marine, boxer, and copv and his wife balked at him being called a highly trained fighter?? Seriously wtf!
I just can’t get past the fact that no one from that house heard anything, or went out that morning to see what was going on! Especially because Brian is law enforcement! You can’t tell me they didn’t hear all that commotion and none of the noise caused the dog to bark? It’s not believable at all!
I'm surprised the defense didn't ask the first responders if they heard a barking dog when they had them up on the stand. I'm curious if the dog in the bedroom barked when the loud firetruck pulled up in front of the house.
I always thought Karen pulled into the driveway. How in the love of God could she have hit him and landed in the area? For real, that makes no sense. 😮
Maybe Because I have three very large Mastiffs. But even in a snow storm. There is no way they would not have alerted us to multiple first responders & the famed leaf blower. Also is said leaf blower battery operated? Oil? Idk the police incompetents completely gives me nothing but reasonable doubt. Agree with Emily. Every single person deserves better in this case
Replay crew here. I see a lot of people annoyed that he’s not being referred to as Officer O’Keefe. I’m glad that they’re not just reducing him to what he was in terms of his profession. He was more than just a cop.
@@AshleighGOz yes I thought about staying up last night but then decided I’d rather have the excitement of waking up to it! I know, I am going to combust over the weekend waiting for Brian’s cross!
I'd luv to see any Alberts answer how they'd feel bout THEIR dead son's blood being put in party cups + grocey bag then left WIDE open in a dirty garage like its some joke! Pathetic!!!
Imagine precious Colin was left dead on someone else’s lawn and treated as disrespectfully as John was! They can’t even mention Colin to the Alberts without them getting all protective
@@katejarman4598 Agreed, & that cop sitting there seriously trying to act like what they did was innovative. Its insulting, made me wanna scream watcning it!!!
Did they SEDATE the dog after the probable biting??? If no barking was heard with leaf blower etc, that could be the explanation. They could have pet sedation in house from previous Fourth of July, or other anxiety medication if dog has had previous episodes of aggression. Unless the dog was deaf, I would think she could have distinguished between howling wind and a person screaming.
I can't wait until they show the video of Karen hitting John's car at 5:03 am when she left his house to go look for John, with a fully intact tail light lens. jaws are going to hit the floor!
Well we are waiting for more evidence from the CW. Even if the video does show that it's still not strong enough for a conviction. We need more evidence!
When OJO adopted the children the BPD actually moved him into the SA unit from a more risky department & he was the sole person responsible for the children!
The Alberts are giving me the ick. Contradictory statements, lots of fidgeting from the Pizza Shop Guy (sorry the names are all jumbled), Brian constantly looking down, the women's body language was also odd and stiff in many places.... The parties still have a long way to go one way or the other to prove either side to a jury, but the entire family rubs me the wrong way and the more they testified, the more likely it became that they could have been involved. "no injuries ~at that time~" was an ODD way to phrase it. It was an unnecessary clarification that raises the question of "ok, when DID you see injuries" The defensiveness and evasive answers about the dog The adamant response of having absolutely no idea there was a crime scene on your front lawn that the window faces Contradictory statements of when the (?) sister busted into the bedroom and what she said. WHYYYYYY is the prosecution's case helping the defense so much. so far, almost everything that wasn't redundantly neutral or useless has leaned away from KR imo.
What do they think might have been going on in the basement. Lots of questions about the basement door, steps to the basement, were they in the basement. Something sinister?
Well, what's interesting about the basement, is that they remodeled the basement shortly after John's death and before they sold the house in April. Which they sold for under $50,000 they were asking. Makes you wonder, what happened in the basement, and why only that room was remodeled!
@@marybilinski4500 Wow! That really is interesting! I will not be missing any of the trial for sure. I wonder if that info about the basement will come up? Thanks.
1:09. He says “John O and Karen R never entered my house” such a confident statement to the jury and technically not a lie under oath if John entered without Karen. 🤔
I do wonder if that is true, and the altercation happened on the lawn or driveway as the nephew was leaving and the commotion brought the Brians and Chloe out.
@@user-sc1pc7xx7t Good question. I'm not sure. They do seem to have large lots and I noticed in the video a row of trees were between their home and the closest one to the body (nearest property line to John). But, the one across the street was another officer's home, where they said they got the Solo Cups, so that neighbor knew something was going on. As for dogs barking, I don't think there was any, as my point that is was strange the commotion near their bedroom didn't make theirs bark to wake them.
I have no idea where I read it but that there was light in the area of where OFFICER O'Keefe. I'm so upset that he isn't being held up as a fine police officer and called that and pounding on the table about it.
Thank you EDB for the amazing content and commentary through the trial. It makes it so much less boring when the DA is asking questions. And when viewers don’t have the little bit of extra time to listen to the commentary, it’s amazing that we have the option to go watch from Court TV! You can tell that the clan that was at the house the night Officer O’Keefe was murdered has rehearsed their story and rehearsed it. They are all repeating the same thing word for word and that’s not normal. For example like when they automatically went into detail why Julie drove over there in a supposedly blizzard condition. Another part is I’m not believing that both the Alberts just slept through it all. Chloe would have alerted them. I mean who’s dog no matter what size or breed doesn’t alert them when the mail truck parks down the street, or that there’s a ups truck a few houses away? It’s amazing watching the defense expose the liars who have taken the stand thus far. They wouldn’t be struggling on the stand if they were telling the truth because the truth is so easy to remember!
I don't believe the stuff about how long the nephew was there and when he left either. And I don't think john had a problem with the kid's parents (sorry, I am forgetting names lol) but that doesn't mean the teen didn't have a problem with him.
They both seemed so uncomfortable with questions about the dog. If I had to rehome my dog to a place where they could have a better life without so many guests bc they have hurt other animals or people (referring to the documented bites) I would be so devastated. I would never refer to them as “the dog” or “it”. In this case it would be she or Chloe. I just can’t imagine talking about a family pet like this.
I wish I started watching you on day 1. You give fantastically helpful insights! I've been so frustrated with Lally and the Judge and now I'll know if my frustration is warranted or not.
BUT, Chloe got put in the bedroom upstairs. So Brian says. And a super well trained dog can be absolutely fine unless someone in the family gets attacked, depending on the training
Pausing at 3:24 to say that I didn’t even put it together that the dog was allegedly in the bedroom. Even with the fan I have running so I don’t hear outside noises, my dogs can still hear sirens on the street. My neighbor had an ambulance called for him and my dogs woke me up scratching at the bedroom door and barking and my bedroom is at the back of my house! Good catch by my fellow Law Nerd! Edit: After looking at the photos of the house, my question is why, if Karen was dropping John off, would she have not dropped him off in front of the driveway? If there was no sidewalk, he would have to slog through snow to get to the door of the house and that makes no sense to me. Hopefully that gets answered at some point. It seems to me that the judge would rather do sidebars with the attorneys than have what they discuss in open court for everyone to hear. That bothers me because it gives the impression that they have something to hide. First time I have ever seen that discussions with the attorneys aren’t in open court unless they are sidebars for objections.
Thanks Emily for ur fab as always coverage & sorry I wrote a book but this case hits a nerve esp for those of us who've dealt w/abusive, corrupt LE & how scary unjust the system's gotten here in MA!
I think at this point the band needs to be invited to perform for the jury so they can better understand the evening at the bar.
You are funny 😂😂😂
High top tables or low? 😂
@@elizabethmaday5263 🤣🤣🤣
I agree with you 💯. I don't think the jury accurately understood the mood of the bar, how loud the band was or how many breaks they had. And to demonstrate how they packed up their gear.
Must be done in winter…you know…for the snow ❄️ 😅
So this 30 year career police officer has a house he leaves unlocked, a German Shepherd (mix) that doesn't bark at an hour's worth of commotion outside his bedroom window, children and a wife that don't notice fire trucks, police cars and two ambulances outside the front door and NOT ONE of them hears an hysterical woman screaming at the top of lungs?
And the Best Friend who rolls up to the house doesn't go straight to the front door and start banging to get assistance? They have to wait for a patrol car?!
Oh I forgot to mention, according to his wife, their sons are too careless or lazy or distracted about hanging onto house keys and that constantly changing locks too expensive so that’s the intelligent reason they used to simply not lock the front doors.
Also, no surveillance cameras anywhere. Man, THAT is one secure man. He knows no one in that STATE is going to mess with this family.
Oh yeah, ETA, his ATF friend comes in last according to one person present, but gets there first and shovels the driveway with his big truck. Well, which is it? You know, for having been a snowstorm or blizzard conditions that night, there wasn’t that much snow on top of John’ vehicle or the SUVs in the driveway the next morning. For all the mentioning of how awful they expected it be and experienced during the collecting of evidence at 6:45 - 8 am, the photos taken later that day and the driveway video shows not much snow accumulation.
I'm thinking Chloe would he been put in the basement for the night after the incident. GS don't let up once they hear something.
This sums up the Albert's! Can't believe they expect the jury to swallow this BS. The prosecution is doing a great job winning this for the defense.
@@nicoljane3083 you might think this happened but the Man of the Castle said in court he took Chloe outside to pee and returned her to their bedroom upstairs. He ALSO testified that he escorted his good friend, the ATF Brian, UPSTAIRS to look at a photograph of their son in the Service. You know, where the dog who doesn't care for strangers was except she was safely locked up in his bedroom. Not the basement.
He can't have it both ways.
@@teacat55 I wasn't referring to what he did with Chloe during their party. Not that I believe his testimony anyway but the commotion outside 6.00am ish during the time Karen was screaming and engine's where running. He wouldn't take the chance of her barking during that time.
@@nicoljane3083 so, in summary I think we both don’t believe a word he has uttered about anything. If he *lies* about any single aspect of the events, he knows the prosecution’s theory is wrong and he’s framing an innocent person. It will unravel with the testimony from good friend Jen, everyone’s favorite pal.
I’ve worked in news for 30 years. When we hear scanner conversations about a dead officer crews are immediately sent to the scene (even in a snowstorm). Curious how there were no news crews on scene when law enforcement was crawling all over that yard.
Exactly. When i had a house fire there was a reporter there 5 minutes after the fire department
Good point
Wow! Good point! I never considered that angle!
What a vile occupation being in news is with doing things like this and then lying to the public about everything.
Maybe a Nightcrawler newsman did it.
When asked, if he saw any injuries on John at the bar, he said: *“No, not at that time”* ! 36:20 When did you see the injuries, Brian Albert?!
On the internet? When shown photos by the prosecution or someone within the force?
😲 So I guess he only saw injuries at a different time... 🤔 I wonder when? 😏
Pretty much when they fought in the basement and Chloe attacked him too.
@@michelemccowan5924yr ridiculous. Finish the trial first
@@michelemccowan5924so you’re assumption is they set him up to murder him… you’re already sold to that so tell me why since you know…
He went to the funeral of a New York City police officers that he didn’t know, but he never went to John O’Keefe‘s funeral who is a cop was found on his lawn?? And a fellow Boston police officer from his hometown where his brother is a selectman..and the other a detective! Awfully suspicious the behavior they didn’t do!
Solid point.
Not if the tabloid press/internet weirdos were already attacking his family over the incident and the O'Keefe family would have an easier time without them there.
At the end of week 2 here's what stands out: Apparently the prosecution thinks this case rests on if it was snowing that night, when it started snowing, how much it was snowing, and what type of snow was falling. Apparently the commonwealth also thinks a leaf blower is a valid forensic tool, a neighbors red solo cups are forensically stable evidence containers, and a rolled up paper Stop & Shop bag in a vehicle bay counts as a secure evidence storage. As someone who knew nothing about this case and has only watched your coverage if I were a juror I'm not sure the prosecution can overcome the above issues to get a conviction but we will see...
That’s what I can’t overcome. The state lost me at Red Solo Cups. They could show a video of Read making snow angels in the parking lot and chanting “I’m so druuuuunk” and my response would STILL be, ok but…RED SOLO CUPS.
This whole BS case is an absolute disgrace! Only "good" thing is all these corrupt liars being exposed for the scum they are trying to send an innocent woman to rot in prison!
They care too much about defending the defenses theory than proving Karen did it.
@@sherrythiel6505 Cuz they cant prove jack shit! She'd have to be an unhinged lunatic to try offing her bf w/her car nevermind in front of a house FULL of cops ffs!!! And ZERO motive! Successful, accomplishd 40+yr old woman w/MS & Chrons who has her own $, house, career, NO record & the "worst" thing we've heard frm anyone in 2 weeks is she "spoiled" Johns niece & nephew!?! The ppl who brought this case deserve prison!!! Hope Karen sues this town into oblivion after!
I don’t even think the stop and shop bag was rolled up/ folded over lol it didn’t look like it from the photo
I just wish I could see Trooper Bukake’s face when he hears his new permanent nickname for the first time
😂😂😂😂
No one in his life is going to let him live that down 😂
I bet he has perfectly moisturised facial skin.
Based on how funny some of the witnesses are making fun of each other/ playfully ribbing their friends, I bet he’s got that before.
It kills me that I dont get it :/ .. how is it funny? . English is not my first language may be there is a play of words there that I just dont get
1:02:34. - Brian says he and Brian went upstairs to look at old marine photos in sons room. But his wife Nicole testified in her direct, they were looking at marine / family photos in the family room together!
Yep- - I noticed that too. Why were they lying about that?
I noticed that too
@@annelucke-gb8gb wait for Caitlyn! Considering they had plenty of time to discuss it you'd think, if they were telling the truth, it'd be the same story wouldn't you. Higgins had also been there before so why that particular time did they choose to get all reminiscent looking at photos?
Yeah 💯- why are they lying? Plus, do those same Brian’s from the Waterfall video footage (including Brian’s round of fireball shots) really seem the type of dudes to spend an after party looking at a wall of sentimental family photos? Sure, it’s possible, but…. I suspicious 🤔
Yes!! Okay I thought maybe I misheard.
Each day I have more and more questions and more suspicions.
Angry gf killed her bf
The end
@@007nadineL Nope, don’t see that.
@@007nadineL how is that ur conclusion have u even watched any of this trial?
This entire case solidifies the phrase "Nothing good happens after midnight". I'm sure Mrs Kolokithas would agree with that.
EDB Plesse Please Please make an intro that say, "Here ye, Here ye, Here ye, I'm Emily D. Baker the internet's go-to . . " "God save the stream"
Yes and add a harken your attention and you will be seen in the chat.
God save the stream would be brilliant 😂
YES! 😂
Omg yes please
So Jen runs into the house hysterical AFTER the first responders have come and gone but didn’t think to run in for help and some blankets when they find John on the lawn? Seems suspicious
Exactly!! I would think one would run inside and wake everyone up and try to render some aid. Officer lives in home and has prior military experience and he doesn’t run outside to help the Man they were all having drinks with just hours prior?? Shady AF
Omg great point I didn’t even think of that! Why didn’t defense ask that on cross?
Why get blankets when they saw he was frozen dead. Warming him up to declare him dead was a formality
Also JM was hysterical when she burst into the bedroom but cool as a cucumber on the 911 call and while talking to police that morning before going inside the house?
It doesn’t just sound suspicious.
It also sounds highly implausible.
I just do not buy that a Boston Catholic Police Officer with five children who clearly likes to be in control does not go outside under these circumstances on his property.
Right? He thought it might have been one of his kids to begin with, then finds out it’s someone else’s child and is like meh, I don’t wanna get involved
@@katejarman4598 yeah, meh, dead police officer, think I'll stay home eat donuts and let the leaf blower brigade handle things 😂
I don't know if it's been covered, but could the police have asked them to stay inside?
@@OzzyOzzy543they could’ve but didn’t
And doesn’t seem to mind that his house is left unlocked at any given moment throughout the night. Absolute mockery
BA testified that he went to NY to honor a fallen officer but also said he didn't want anything to do with the dead officer on his lawn. Make it make sense! 🤪
This ☝🏼
@jennifervigeant6352 Now ask the important question. Did he go to John's funeral? NOPE!
You go girl I don't care you carse at the right time 😊
@@Camiken65that says it all WOW 😔
perhaps he meant he didnt wanna interfere with the crime scene? just said it badly?
Funny that Brian would go all the way to NY for 1 cop’s funeral but wouldn’t go outside for the one on his front lawn…🤷🏼♀️
He didn't even get 4 hours sleep after super exhausting day. Are we watching the same trial
@@007nadineLso?
So what he didn't even get 4 hours sleep. I still get up for work and foal horses with less than 4 hours sleep in 2 days. I would be out the house wondering wtf is happening on my front lawn even after no sleep. It's so ridiculous.
@@007nadineL I’m a nurse, want to know how many times I’ve gotten up with less than 4 hours sleep? A lot! We had a fire one night in our townhouse complex and I was watching, even though I had to get up at 5:30 for work.
@@marcopalazzo9349 especially a fellow cop!
My dad is a retired NJ state police. Growing up and even now our doors were ALWAYS locked and my dad would have killed me and my sisters if we didn’t lock the doors. And we lived in a very safe neighborhood and area. I was so used to locking doors after coming into the house that when I started dating my husband I would accidentally lock him out when he was smoking outside (he has since stopped smoking). I find it odd a detective, who I’m sure has seen some messed up stuff was so nonchalant about locking doors.
I am bad about locking doors myself, but you make a good point
I will now only speak to my husband with sentences that start "What if any..." or "Who if any..." I will also be needing a divorce attorney 😂😊
😂🤣😂🤣
😂😅😊
Please also ask him does that exhaust your memory? 😂
“We call it an electrical box but we really don’t know what it does”.. aren’t those the same exact words his wife used? Also, the wife should really get a medical examination, she seems to have some type of amnesia.
Add a few „sort of“, and you‘ll be needing that divorce attorney even sooner! 😅
Also, a decorated police officer and ex military doesn’t have a ring cam??
And leaves all the doors unlocked...
I find that extremely weird too
YES...that blows my mind!
“Everything’s 7 minutes away in Canton” 😂 don’t know why that’s funny but it is
7 or 5
It’s funny because it’s true. 🙄🤷🏼♂️
@@taxiuniversum Not according to maps, if you look it up…
Everything in my hometown (similar population) is 20min away. At this point my mom and i say 20min-it when asked how long *anything* will be.
@@Stoshnut *You must live in Toledo!* 🤣😂
I like to play the direct examination when I’m tired and want something to listen to to fall asleep
I do the same thing. Every night, turn on favorite trial, to listen to, and fall asleep. Addicted would be an understatement.
Same!!
no for real Lally puts me sleep
That appears to be the plan of the prosecutor: Put the jury asleep with absolute bullshit, meaningless, pointless, superfluous questions - only to wake them up at the end of trial to have them render a guilty verdict. 🙄🤮
I couldn't, id have nightmares 😂
Lally in my dreams would just be horrible 😅
I really find hard to believe they never heard the commotion outside the window or even that Chloe didn't react. Everything sounds sus. Also, I would never barge in anyone's bedroom, let alone a police officer.
Agree about the dog. Even if my dogs are used to certain loud sounds and voices, they will still react to new noises. Esp if I’m sleeping.
I can’t believe they didn’t hear a sound!! The dog part, my dog doesn’t bark. But she’s a city dog.
Also, Brian surely would have heard someone enter the house, door shutting, Jen charging up the stairs...all before she 'burst' into the bedroom.
Ya & a fam full of cops w/NO security cams, scanners or work radios they typically keep on specifically for emergencies! Its insulting & hope this disgrace of a judge is disbarred for her behavior & abuse of power!
Their backyard has been running trains for 50 years. They're deaf to outside noise. Plus the emergency vehicles didn't have alarms on as streets deserted. Plus snow deadens noise.
Mrs. Kolokithas: I didn’t even want to go out AND NOW A MAN IS DEAD.
That'll teach her!!
Nothing good happens after dark
A cautionary tale for introverts.
@@teacat55- I always say nothing good happens after midnight, unless the baby is being born at the hospital.
My dog sleeps with my mom in the downstairs master bedroom and without fail, if I go down there when they’ve already settled in, he will bark and he KNOWS it’s me. There is no way Chloe remained calm during that ‘chaotic’ scene
Our EXTREMELY friendly, trusting, docile and quiet english bulldog will bark when one of us comes back from the bathroom at night or comes to bed late. I can not imagine Chloe handling it well.
That's why I believe they put her in the basement.
Anxiety Medicine !
Having seen the photo of the arm injuries now … I think they panicked based on the past bite incidents and frequent fence breaches - they were going to sued into financial ruin. If he a died from something else… maybe they could avoid that. Harsh, but the story/investigation is totally off.
We aren’t getting the whole story. Math is not mathing here. This is a well trained cop. Going to be torture waiting for cross till Monday. lol
Not as much torture as it’s going to be for Brian Albert waiting for the cross this weekend! 😂
I knew prosecution was going to take up the rest of the day. No way they were going to let the jury marinate on the defense's cross over the weekend
That's why when EDB keeps saying: "why? Why are you asking this? We already know this!"
*!*!
All I'm thinking is prosecution just wanted to drain the clock so the jury doesn't close the week with defense questions in their minds.
My dog would have vocally insisted that we get up and investigate what was happening on his property. My dog becomes offended if anyone he doesn't know loiters around his perceived territory.
I really like the phare vocally insisted and perceived territory.. and i am going to use it with my dog lol
Yes, my dig would get offended to be awoken.
If someone (even my brother whom deems himself my dogs best friend) burst In my room while we are sleeping , my dogs would vociferously make it clear he didn't belong... I'm not buying a German Shepard layed there like eeehhh whatever....
We live near trains. They don't even register any more. People, lights, screaming would definitely woken me and my dog would have been going nuts.
I literally have to tell my dog other people live in our neighborhood and are allowed to drive and walk along our street. Any noise outside and he is barking at the front window. The dog part is bizarre now that I have heard their testimony
What I’m scratching my head about is; if I was dropping my boyfriend off at someone’s house in the middle of the night, while it was snowing. I would pull into the driveway or pull up to the driveway to drop him off. I would not drop him off on opposite end of the driveway for him to walk across lawn in snow. I find it to be a bizarre spot for John to be found dead if Karen hit him with her car.
I think they are saying she hit him so hard with her car that it flung him in that area.
The driveway was full of cars
I find it hard to believe a cop who sees emergency vehicles outside his home won’t go ask what’s up guys?
Especially one like Brian Albert who is so full of himself and likes to be in the middle of it.
And outside his bedroom window.
With his ‘emotional’ dog in the room..
He could have called the Police or Fire Departments, or buddies he knew were working that shift, upon noticing lights or screaming. Either department, any working peers, Chief of D’s living across the street etc, could have contacted him to give a heads up as to activity on his lawn. All of these make more sense to me, than no one contacting him.
Also, any other person in the house could have done the same.
MARRIED to a retired LEO & Army Major here. "Bursting" into our bedroom in the "nighttime part of morning" could be life threatening. There's always a loaded gun on the nightstand reserved for just those types of situations!!
I haven't finished watching yet but I've been waiting for them to ask where he keeps his gun(s)
And Chloe the dog.
Do you have 5 kids ?
And he and his wife both used the word “Bursted” to describe it.
@@007nadineL what exactly is your point? There was only 1 grown up child at home as far as I Heard in evidence? Like I've asked before, do you know different?
I thought maybe, if they have blackout blinds and sleep deeply they weren't awakened by the first responders. HOWEVER! Now that we see their room was in the right front corner and the dog was in there, and we know they used a leaf blower! Either they or the dog would've heard something. They would've heard Karen screaming before I think that would've gotten the dog up for sure!
Nicole spoke to Jen McCabe twice that morning. Part of the call was recorded Jen speaking to her.
@@corrinnedowns1180 What? Recorded by who?
@@wonder5487when Karen was in Jens car looking for John, Karen called John's phone, when she saw him on the lawn she threw her phone and jumped out of the car. Meanwhile her cell phone continued to record Jen while Jen was whispering to someone on the other line. You can hear Jen saying "are you coming out" that was at 6:07am I believe
I have blackout blinds, curtains always closed. Can still see lights flashing screaming outside. Don't believe a word this lot have said. LIES.
@@snappEturtle Oh WOW! I didn't know. I am doing this trial like EDB. without knowing any info or history. I got hooked on watching Monday with the leaf-blower and Solo Cups and Stop and Shop Grocery bag!
What I keep asking myself is if KR did run over the curb and hit him, wouldn’t there be tire ruts in grass. That would still be in the grass after snow melted.
This is such a good point. Something to think about definitely!
No there wouldn't necessarily be tire marks unless she got stuck and created ruts.
My husband has driven on our lawn before both with a vehicle and his quad, when the snow melts there are no marks.
@@dellahicks7231 sure if he's driving slowly. But prosecution is claiming she backed up suddenly at a high rate of speed
Also there wasn't snow there yet to protect the grass
@hnraj9441 Which is why I mentioned ruts. We had a driver hit a patch of ice due to speeding, and she ended up driving through our yard. There were no marks after the snow melted. It remains to be seen in this case.
Replay crew here. Thank you Emily and Team for the time and effort it takes to cover these case.
Regarding this case, imo, it really seems the prosecution is focusing more on proving the Mc-Alberts had nothing to do with this and less on proving KR is guilty... so odd
Great point!
Yeah they definitely seem like they’re protecting the Alberts
I thought it was just me…. Some things just do not add up. Great coverage EDB 👍
Emily D Baker is neurodivergent. If I hear one more comment about how someone's reaction is odd to her. What if one of the witnesses was autistic? Just throwing it out there. Not everyone reacts the same as others. I laugh when I shouldn't. Love EDB but loved how she was more informed with the Murdaugh case. This seems more like - oh, why, did she not remember. Oh, why did she answer so quickly? It's not like rumors have been circulating about them. I haven't followed the case, but just looking at this crowd of supporters and KR's face, this defense team is aggressive.
@@deserttoebeanchaos, I do not know what neurodivergence has anything to do with it, but the manner of these witnesses have been very suspect. The wife made 67 phone calls in a short span of time to one person, but she mostly texts her?
I'm glad the defense pushed for the jury to see the witnesses because they appear not to believe their own words.
Interesting how their RING camera went missing and the neighbor across the street's was MIA during the murder! Can't wait to see how they explain that one!
Brian Albert carries himself with a lot of authority, it's easy to see why people would be reluctant or even scared to
stand up to him.
Agree- these Albert women seem very washed out, almost wounded .
@@noreengardner1075I would say that's an accurate observation. From my experience I know this kind of group. Large Irish families of BPD frequent heavy drinking, you roll with the punches and do what you're told. You stay together for the kids and the financial security.
He does. Authoritative and professional sounding.
@@waitaminute2015I saw zero heavy drinking. Where did you see that
App the confidence came fr many trial witnesses n attending court proceedings??!!
"A shocking lack of curiosity" was said in response by Mr. Albert about the front yard electrical box has me laughing out loud. Emily is a master of the one-liners.
It dawned on me today that had Karen texted John when she made it to the house safely after dropping him off and had he responded all of us LawNerds would not be living together in Massachusetts for 8 weeks right now.
This might be the first ever case where I'm looking forward to cell extraction data. That tells you how bored the prosecution's case is and how much they've painted a picture for us. Currently they're still setting up the friggen easel and they've forgotten to purchase paint brushes. And paint. And a canvas. And it's TWO WEEKS IN!
9 days in and I'm sure of:
- there was snow;
- they all know eachother;
- they had drinks at the bar.
14:30
Chat: "Emily, please don't swear, I'm at work!"
Emily: *"Alright Chat, next witness, HERE! THE F#%K! WE GO!"*
LOL I love you, please never change🤣
I think I also advised headphones.....
I know we’re not speaking of additional information that the jury isn’t hearing but this might be an exception. I may have done some digging and discovered that the band playing that night was called LSD (short for Lead Singers’ Disease) and it seems they mostly do 90’s covers. Think Melissa Etheridge, Gin Blossoms, Black Crowes, etc. They’re actually not that bad.
Thx.
Sooo that is why no one was asked about the band's name😮
In my heart of hearts I knew it was a 90s cover band
The 90s are coming back with a vengeance. I saw a band the other night that has a sprinkling of 90s covers and I was amazed at the teens dancing and singing along. They also all reminded me of myself, in grade 8, going through my very awkward stage.
Just starting the afternoon replay. Emily, I had different views of the dog's behavior that morning. If my German Shepherd knew the person coming into my room she wouldn't blink. But sleeping in my room with me or even sleeping anywhere on my 3 acre property, she'd go bonkers at that happening on my front lawn.
My GS as well is chill, but she will definitely let you know if the neighbors cat is our yard or the neighbors are home late. No way did that GS not react to all that activity outside their bedroom. I don't believe it. We have major storms, and she is chill, but anything out of the norm, she will jump up and alert ya.
My dad's friends GS was a great dog that was the sweetest dog around me as a child. Until I went to the wrong place at the house he didn't want me and he let me know ..then when the dumb kid ignored him proceeded to bite me in the face. Basically even if a dog knows you if you're busting in a bed room door it's going to react.
My husband dislikes the question “what are you thinking about?” and always says “nothing” so I’m switching tactics and asking “what if anything are you thinking?” from now on.
😂
What if anything is your brain exhausting itself over sort of?
What if any sort of observation did you make?😂
Emily, I am DYING at you describing Gen X as feral growing up!!! actually cracking up over here.
We were totally feral! Lol
@@hnraj9441yes we were! So glad cell phones weren’t a thing back then!
Frozen donuts and coffee anyone?
Right! At first I was like okay, leaving the donuts in the car in a blizzard is weird, not what I'd do but whatever. But when I heard there was also coffee I was done lol
😂😂😂
I don't think that's how you make iced coffee...
@@annamelvina216 😂
Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't Nicole say the Brian's were in the family room looking at pictures and she went in too, but he said they "went upstairs" to look at pictures??? 🤔
Yes! I noticed that too. This is a story, not a memory.
Liars
Why was she going to leave donuts in the car? If it was a snow day, she didn't know he was going to drive that day. There's something weird about that story
And coffee! Freshly refrigerated donuts and coffee on a snow day, yum lol
I think she did not want to see her relatives. Dynamics in this family are odd/off.
@@robinmaynard1640 that's a good point
@@robinmaynard1640 I think she wanted the donuts to be a surprise, even though she did it every year and they all knew 😏. It isn’t a surprise if they see her.
It was just a silly thing she did on birthdays. She would treat by getting doughnuts and leave them in the car so in the morning when the birthday person woke up they would be there. I don’t find it suspicious.
14:44 AND THIS IS WHY WE LOVE EMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!! HERE THE FU*K WE GO 💜💜💜💜💜💜
This is going to be a MOVIE one day! The plot thickens....and the liars are lying.
Good point, Jen Mcabe was not hysterical outside.
Wow. So A lot of people walking I and out of the home After John O Keefe was dropped off. Yet none of them saw him in the yard. Streetlights on ?
If he was over near the fire hydrant and it was cold so they rushed to/from the house i can see that, it is a large distance away. Kind of wonder how they are going to explain how he got there from her reversing out of the drive way.
I’m confused, many people left the Albert house between 1:00 and 2:00 or later and nobody saw a body on the lawn? Why would Karen drop John off after 2:00 in the morning. If I recall, John had never been to the Albert house before. They said the 40 some pieces of taillight were on the Albert lawn, so that means they are saying she must have hit him there. They left the bar shortly after 12:00 am.
This is the exact question I had today!
There are so many questions in my head. I cant believe if he was on the lawn that NO ONE Saw him and that if there were so many vehicles in the vicinity of there home that NO-ONE came outside..and that none of the cops there knocked on the door to ask questions...
It's possible that the body wasn't seen because he was so far away from the driveway & front door.. He might have only been visible to someone parked on the street.
@@marciabarton8923 there were other people driving up to pick up people from the house.
It doesn't make sense
I don't know what happened, but this entire Albert clan comes across as a bunch of deceiving creeps.
I could not be a juror in this case. My facial expressions would tell I think most of these people are idiotic.
I'd be crawling the walls to get the fuck out with the CW directs. The judge would see my discomfort within minutes.
Makes me wonder what the reporters in the room are seeing from the jury
I'm sorry, what LEO doesn't have security cameras?
Aaaand the benefit of being on Replay Crew... you can zoom through the direct examination on 2x while you fold laundry. Lol!
The train noise regarding the dog was an interesting point, but... my dogs know the difference between a car just driving by/one of us pulling up in the carport(a word I'm now dying to hear one of these MA people say)/the Amazon delivery truck. They know what the neighbor's kids sound like when they're playing in the front yard vs someone walking by talking loudly on their phone. They know approx what time the mailman comes by and puts mail through the mail slot on the front door every day (though they still haven't figured out he's not comin on Sunday). ALSO, mine will grumble and sometimes bark when they see the flashy lights coming through the edges of the curtains at night (we live in a neighborhood with a lot of very old people currently. IYK,YK. check up on your neighbors please! even if it's just makin sure you see the kitchen light turned on/off every evening or whatever.). But some GSDs can be super chill. It's still super sus that they didn't wake up... not even a little... at least half the first responders in town were in their front yard for hours with all those bright a$$ LED lights flashing. Plus people calling their phones. I'm a heavy sleeper, but come on.
I agree that some GSD can be super chill, but this one doesn't seem to be that way all the time. It all adds up to they HAD to know. Their lack of response says so.
Very valid points. And not to mention police scanner?? I am very nosey about my neighbors, my one has not mowed his lawn twice now, it's been his son, and he loves mowing his lawn. I'm hoping to see him outside soon to have a chitty chat cuz I'm sure he's sad about that! I've even had dreams that I chatted about him not mowing his lawn cuz it's that big of a deal in my mind!
They HAD 4 HOURS SLEEP
ID BE DEAD ASLEEP TOO
EXHAUSTED
THEY USED TO LOUD BACKYARD TRAIN NOISE
SNOW DEADENS NOISE
@@007nadineLParticularly cops, firefighters and doctors are very used to very short episodes of sleep, followed by jumping into their boots and being at peak performance immediately.
@@007nadineL snow doesn't deaden noise to that degree. I live in northern Wisconsin.
Karen's screaming was loud enough to be picked up by the dash cam in the closed car IN THE SNOW.
Why are you so invested in her being guilty despite the incredible lack of evidence in this trial so far? Why are you the only person here with this passionate of a "karen murdered him" take?
I have a poodle, and she will wake up and bark in the middle of the night from people just walking by on the street.
Same. I have two standard poodles. They bark like mad if anyone is walking by. Any noise.
I have had German shepherds for many years - some didn’t bark at anything (they were actually the ones to watch out for), others raised hell at the slightest sound. 🤷♀️
@dashshuman do you think your silent shepherds would’ve reacted to cops and yelling hysterical woman whose boyfriend was passed out come in the snow?
@@basicallyno1722 I don’t know - never had him in that situation. Had someone break into my truck (right below my bedroom window) - if he alerted to them, it didn’t wake me up. But they or anyone better not barge into my bedroom, it would have been bite first - questions later
The point about the dog’s behavior is such an amazing point. My dog sleeps with us and with go off if a possum walks by outside and forget about an amazon delivery. I wake up every time! There’s just no way! There’s also no way anyone, including my sister, comes barging into my room - no matter what! Even if my door is open, they would scream my name upon entry. In a life or death situation there’s usually a lot of screaming and I’m to believe ALL OF SUDDEN Bostonians are QUIET?!?! 🤔 Nah, that’s what’s really wrong here!
Right?? My friend has a really calm natured Westie who would make friends with a burglar, but you bet your ass he barks as soon as a possum farts.
Soo they didn't hear karen screaming?? I can understand They didn't see the lights of a police car and an ambulance.But a women screaming in your street didn't wake up a policeman super suspish..
Snow deadens noise
@@007nadineLdampen, not deadens
@@007nadineL i live in northern Wisconsin. It doesn't dampen sound nearly that much.
I love that you use the F bomb and no remorse. I listen to you at work, and bust out laughing every time you get pissed off over the stupid sh*t. Cracks me up. Love your channel.
I love it 😂
Why I listen😂 to
Emily gives a warning in the intro, people need to pay attention. Perhaps they should be part of the replay crew, if they are unable to wear earbuds at work. 🤷♀️
Her channel would be bigger if Emily stopped cursing
@007nadineL and she wouldn't be her authentic self. Obviously she's doing just fine.
Replay Team Here: IMO the dog would definitely have heard the screaming & started barking its head off with all the activity going on in the front yard!!!! No doubt in my mind!!
NO DOUBTS!!!!!
When I served on a jury, I needed the judge’s permission to bring my knitting needles. Over the week, two other ladies brought theirs too and we taught a couple other jurors how to knit. 😊
I brought my crocheting during jury selection, but it was only a 1.5 day trial and too interesting to need to distract myself. We also took short breaks in the courtroom all together and all I wanted to do then was stretch and use the bathroom. But if I had a long trial like this (especially with someone like Lally) and time waiting before and after I def would have a project to finish!
So instead of concentrating on the trial you were knitting?
That should be grounds for an appeal.
There's a lot of down time that they don't show. You're just sitting there and waiting. No phones. You can't talk to the other jurors about the case until deliberations. They don't always allow you to access your court notes during down time, mine were kept from me unless I was in the court room. They don't allow you to knit or read during the actual trial, it's during all the waiting periods. So this is not an appeal at all. I was on a murder trial for a month and read 4 books.
@@enigma_-_79they didn’t say they were knitting during evidence and teaching others to knit while in the jury box. I’m sure there was plenty of time to kill. If I were on a jury I’d definitely have something in the jury room that I could do for times of sitting around and waiting .
@@mwillis7791
They didn’t say they weren’t knitting in the jury box either.
I gotta say too, for someone who has testified in court a ton and should be very comfortable on the stand, he is showing a ton of nervousness.
It looks "staged" to me. He keeps strangely misspeaking on irrelevant things (whose bedroom it was, past and present tense corrections on irrelevant details) and it makes me think he's been trained to do that on purpose because self-corrected misspeaks give the jury an impression of unfiltered honesty. The fact that he does it on only inconsequential and obvious details makes me think it's deliberate. "My bedroo- OUR bedroom, my wife and- my bedroom"... sir this cannot be a genuine struggle.
@@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend has an existential crisis on the stand. TO WHOM DOES THE BEDROOM ACTUALLY BELONG? 👀
Catching up: We actually had a complete stranger streak into our apartment (my bedroom; she broke a shelf) at 6 am one time. Our dog, admittedly a couch potato, didn't even get up, l0l. But I do think a high-strung Shepherd would bark or at least get up!
Yeah German shepherds are v territorial and protective of their people
Most dogs would have a fair bit to say about that.
You think your dog thought it was probably you making the noise? 😂 I’ve heard of some breeds not doing anything during break-ins. Labs and Goldens have been known to greet intruders with tail wags and hand licks
Hmm this photo of the bare area of the lawn was surely taken after a leaf blower was used to obscure boot prints.. I mean to look for evidence.
There were a few days in the upper 30's plus rain. Not the lack of Metadata & time/date stamps on photos s9 at this point no clue exactly when taken!
Why doesn’t the judge call out Lally and tell him to move along or not repeat himself, when she says as much to the defense?? This is such nonsense testimony it’s absurd
*Snooze alarm absurd!* 🥱😴
In replay for the afternoon. One thing that struck me is Nicole Albert saying the kids often left the door blocked but apparently she was the last one to bed. So why didn’t she lock it or did one of the kids come back later?
Also ludicrous: law enforcement that doesn't do the bare minimum to protect their families by making sure the doors and windows are locked. And no security system other than a dog who doesn't attack someone bursting through the door of your bedroom in the early. morning. And no working cameras. It's hard to imagine anyone bursting through a closed bedroom door behind which is a large, healthy law enforcement body with ego, weapons and an attack dog. Amazing.
Bro no way I’m bursting into anyones bedroom even if they’re not military/ police unless I believed the ppl inside were injured and needed help. In an emergency I’m pounding on the door and yelling out to them.
And it’s very possible the dog is desensitized to the train sound, but the sound of someone bursting into a bedroom or fire/Mets on the lawn is very different. I know not every individual GSD has the same traits but GSDs are bred to be suspicious and alert for herding and now for protection.
Mccabe wasnt hysterical in the video at all.
Or when she made the 911 call.
I find it strange she was so hysterical bursting into their bedroom.
@@saradf4890 yeah, it doesn't make sense and is one more thing that makes none of this believable.
She was calm when she came out too. This is all story, not facts.
I think that she doesn't like the dog. Calling Chloe "it" and saying , "the family loved that dog." Not, "we loved that dog." I'm sure there's more but those two stand out.
Catching replay... Emily's comments about the high top tables and the band are priceless 🤣
Catching up from a work interruption -- Albert scares me
Yes!!
He's an MMA fighter I hope they get that out.
@@itsjust_Lisa he is an mma fighter on top of a marine, boxer, and copv and his wife balked at him being called a highly trained fighter?? Seriously wtf!
I just can’t get past the fact that no one from that house heard anything, or went out that morning to see what was going on! Especially because Brian is law enforcement! You can’t tell me they didn’t hear all that commotion and none of the noise caused the dog to bark? It’s not believable at all!
These people have had so much time to get their stories straight that there will be no true telling of what happened!
I'm surprised the defense didn't ask the first responders if they heard a barking dog when they had them up on the stand. I'm curious if the dog in the bedroom barked when the loud firetruck pulled up in front of the house.
40 years in that house, AND a detective and he doesn't know the neighbors address? I call BS. Cops/detectives have to know their city.
I always thought Karen pulled into the driveway. How in the love of God could she have hit him and landed in the area? For real, that makes no sense. 😮
Maybe Because I have three very large Mastiffs. But even in a snow storm. There is no way they would not have alerted us to multiple first responders & the famed leaf blower. Also is said leaf blower battery operated? Oil?
Idk the police incompetents completely gives me nothing but reasonable doubt. Agree with Emily. Every single person deserves better in this case
Replay crew here. I see a lot of people annoyed that he’s not being referred to as Officer O’Keefe. I’m glad that they’re not just reducing him to what he was in terms of his profession. He was more than just a cop.
I feel you except that isn't how cops think of it. And they have refered to everyone else by their rank, including firefighters and ems.
Clearly Karen Read needs to testify that she was at the waterfall, it was fun and it was snowing. 😂😂😂😂
Did she enjoy the band though?
@@lawnerddownunder3461 how could I forget the most important question???😂😂
Any moment now the band is going to testify with a song about meteorological data for that night.
@@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend great!
I think the most vital piece of information we’re missing is whether or not Karen enjoyed the band that night at the Waterfall….and was it snowing???
Replay crew.. 5:50am in Perth, Australia and I missed the Albert’s!!!!!! I haven’t sprung out of bed so fast and whacked my head phones in
Ohhhhhh I’m in Perth too! These last few mornings have been like Christmas waking up to fresh trial coverage!
@@katejarman4598I’ve been trying so hard to stay awake but I just pass out by 10.30 😂 I can’t wait until cross! Or when/if his son testifies
@@AshleighGOz yes I thought about staying up last night but then decided I’d rather have the excitement of waking up to it! I know, I am going to combust over the weekend waiting for Brian’s cross!
@@katejarman4598hahahaha yeah I feel you there! The defense is so good! How do you think it will end?
@@AshleighGOz she’ll be found not guilty I’m almost certain! Enough plausible doubt to drive a truck through and this is the prosecutions turn!
I'd luv to see any Alberts answer how they'd feel bout THEIR dead son's blood being put in party cups + grocey bag then left WIDE open in a dirty garage like its some joke! Pathetic!!!
right!?
Imagine precious Colin was left dead on someone else’s lawn and treated as disrespectfully as John was! They can’t even mention Colin to the Alberts without them getting all protective
@@katejarman4598 Agreed, & that cop sitting there seriously trying to act like what they did was innovative. Its insulting, made me wanna scream watcning it!!!
The cross is gonna be gooooood. He is gonna have an attitude, I can tell already!
"Where were you in relation to the high top?" is the civilian equivalent of "what, if any, snow did you see?" that he was asking the first responders.
Do you get a high chair with the high top🤣🤣🤣
@@Always_Thinking that's one we haven't heard yet. 🤣 "What, if any, high chairs did you get to sit at your high top?"
Did they SEDATE the dog after the probable biting??? If no barking was heard with leaf blower etc, that could be the explanation. They could have pet sedation in house from previous Fourth of July, or other anxiety medication if dog has had previous episodes of aggression. Unless the dog was deaf, I would think she could have distinguished between howling wind and a person screaming.
Karen literally killed her bf.
SHE LEFT HIM TO DIE IN COLD BLOOD
That's it! Dog was sedated!! Hadn't thought of that-
@@007nadineL there is zero evidence of that so far.
I have always thought that the dog was in the basement that morning. The defense is so hung up on the basement door 🤷🏻♀️💜
I can't wait until they show the video of Karen hitting John's car at 5:03 am when she left his house to go look for John, with a fully intact tail light lens. jaws are going to hit the floor!
Well we are waiting for more evidence from the CW. Even if the video does show that it's still not strong enough for a conviction. We need more evidence!
This part. I came into this without much info but I had seen that video and far more of the light was intact after she hit his car.
When OJO adopted the children the BPD actually moved him into the SA unit from a more risky department & he was the sole person responsible for the children!
The Alberts are giving me the ick. Contradictory statements, lots of fidgeting from the Pizza Shop Guy (sorry the names are all jumbled), Brian constantly looking down, the women's body language was also odd and stiff in many places.... The parties still have a long way to go one way or the other to prove either side to a jury, but the entire family rubs me the wrong way and the more they testified, the more likely it became that they could have been involved.
"no injuries ~at that time~" was an ODD way to phrase it. It was an unnecessary clarification that raises the question of "ok, when DID you see injuries"
The defensiveness and evasive answers about the dog
The adamant response of having absolutely no idea there was a crime scene on your front lawn that the window faces
Contradictory statements of when the (?) sister busted into the bedroom and what she said.
WHYYYYYY is the prosecution's case helping the defense so much. so far, almost everything that wasn't redundantly neutral or useless has leaned away from KR imo.
The amount of his fidgeting and moving around was driving me nuts. Maybe that was a tactic to get the jury to focus on that and not his testimony
What do they think might have been going on in the basement. Lots of questions about the basement door, steps to the basement, were they in the basement. Something sinister?
Well, what's interesting about the basement, is that they remodeled the basement shortly after John's death and before they sold the house in April. Which they sold for under $50,000 they were asking. Makes you wonder, what happened in the basement, and why only that room was remodeled!
@@marybilinski4500 Wow! That really is interesting! I will not be missing any of the trial for sure. I wonder if that info about the basement will come up? Thanks.
In the footage of them leaving @ 11:58. Mrs Albert is carrying a glass 🥃
1:09. He says “John O and Karen R never entered my house” such a confident statement to the jury and technically not a lie under oath if John entered without Karen. 🤔
I do wonder if that is true, and the altercation happened on the lawn or driveway as the nephew was leaving and the commotion brought the Brians and Chloe out.
@@wonder5487 But wouldn’t neighbors hear the commotion? Dog barking, people yelling, etc.
@@user-sc1pc7xx7t Good question. I'm not sure. They do seem to have large lots and I noticed in the video a row of trees were between their home and the closest one to the body (nearest property line to John). But, the one across the street was another officer's home, where they said they got the Solo Cups, so that neighbor knew something was going on. As for dogs barking, I don't think there was any, as my point that is was strange the commotion near their bedroom didn't make theirs bark to wake them.
No. He said clearly neither entered his house. The end
How is it they have ring camera footage of the cops showing up, but not the actual incident??
I have no idea where I read it but that there was light in the area of where OFFICER O'Keefe. I'm so upset that he isn't being held up as a fine police officer and called that and pounding on the table about it.
Your commentary is one of the best!
Runkle is way better
Emily is always the best! I do love Runkle, but Emily is the best!
Thank you EDB for the amazing content and commentary through the trial. It makes it so much less boring when the DA is asking questions. And when viewers don’t have the little bit of extra time to listen to the commentary, it’s amazing that we have the option to go watch from Court TV!
You can tell that the clan that was at the house the night Officer O’Keefe was murdered has rehearsed their story and rehearsed it. They are all repeating the same thing word for word and that’s not normal. For example like when they automatically went into detail why Julie drove over there in a supposedly blizzard condition.
Another part is I’m not believing that both the Alberts just slept through it all. Chloe would have alerted them. I mean who’s dog no matter what size or breed doesn’t alert them when the mail truck parks down the street, or that there’s a ups truck a few houses away?
It’s amazing watching the defense expose the liars who have taken the stand thus far. They wouldn’t be struggling on the stand if they were telling the truth because the truth is so easy to remember!
I don't believe the stuff about how long the nephew was there and when he left either.
And I don't think john had a problem with the kid's parents (sorry, I am forgetting names lol) but that doesn't mean the teen didn't have a problem with him.
They both seemed so uncomfortable with questions about the dog. If I had to rehome my dog to a place where they could have a better life without so many guests bc they have hurt other animals or people (referring to the documented bites) I would be so devastated. I would never refer to them as “the dog” or “it”. In this case it would be she or Chloe. I just can’t imagine talking about a family pet like this.
I wish I started watching you on day 1. You give fantastically helpful insights! I've been so frustrated with Lally and the Judge and now I'll know if my frustration is warranted or not.
If you have a reactive German shepherd, you don’t invite a rowdy group over to continue drinking 🤷🏼♀️
Not reactive to people…she clearly said other dogs
BUT, Chloe got put in the bedroom upstairs. So Brian says. And a super well trained dog can be absolutely fine unless someone in the family gets attacked, depending on the training
Still confused why she got locked up if she’s reactive to dogs but not people?
I don't understand why Lally keeps on and on about the waterfall - it seems to me it helps the defense.
Pausing at 3:24 to say that I didn’t even put it together that the dog was allegedly in the bedroom. Even with the fan I have running so I don’t hear outside noises, my dogs can still hear sirens on the street. My neighbor had an ambulance called for him and my dogs woke me up scratching at the bedroom door and barking and my bedroom is at the back of my house! Good catch by my fellow Law Nerd!
Edit: After looking at the photos of the house, my question is why, if Karen was dropping John off, would she have not dropped him off in front of the driveway? If there was no sidewalk, he would have to slog through snow to get to the door of the house and that makes no sense to me. Hopefully that gets answered at some point.
It seems to me that the judge would rather do sidebars with the attorneys than have what they discuss in open court for everyone to hear. That bothers me because it gives the impression that they have something to hide. First time I have ever seen that discussions with the attorneys aren’t in open court unless they are sidebars for objections.
The sirens didn't need to be on in deserted streets. Snow deadens noise
@@007nadineL snow dampens noise a little. Not that much. Seriously.
Thanks Emily for ur fab as always coverage & sorry I wrote a book but this case hits a nerve esp for those of us who've dealt w/abusive, corrupt LE & how scary unjust the system's gotten here in MA!