What I've learned from the prosecution: - It was snowing - It was Brian's birthday - There were doughnuts What I've learned from the defence: - Red solo cups and random unsealed paper bags are adequate for collecting evidence - People don't need to be interviewed after a body is found (informal conversations will do!) and when they are interviewed it is months and months later - No one saw anything, no one talks about anything - Brian Snr got rid of his house, his dog, his phone and job all after the incident - No one knows who answered their phones at weird hours (Which appear to have been answered!) - No one is close to anyone (until they are)
The whole thing is so clicky entwined. Brian Sr. has been lead to believe he is king and nobody messes with him or his family. I hope this exposure helps people see how petty, arrogant, and dangerous these people are. I'm so glad Karen Read is exposing them. I hope she's exonerated.
Also, no clue about a preservation order on his phone, but totally aware that it was denied several times before that. Not sure on the date he 'upgraded' his phone, but absolutely positive it wasn't after the 22nd when that preservation order was signed.
Yes!! I said this too, the prosecutor feels like its main job is to shield the Albert family, not one shred of how Karen did it, why or how. And the way this witnesses can’t remember one thing of anything that makes them look bad then then turn into perfect memory of things that makes them look good is very suspicious
The Albert family made a lot of changes from the dog being rehomed out of state, his phone being given away the day before he is ordered to preserve it, and they sold their house.
I’m so angry on behalf of John’s family & friends… they have had so much tragedy in their lives, lost so many family members. And they are sitting, listening to this huge extended Canton family with cops, AG, and other LE-adjacent cousins & friends talk about John’s death as “the incident”... doing everything possible to distance themselves from finding out how a guy who was universally admired, ended up on the edge of death on their family property. It’s Day 10 of an 8 week trial and so far we’ve only established that the investigation was an absolute joke, no-one treated it as a suspicious death, and there’s clearly something shady going on with the homeowner & the investigator. And that’s not even counting the FBI investigation hanging over the proceedings like a cloud. Regardless of whether Karen was responsible, this is not how you get justice & I’m struggling to understand how this is worth the cost to the taxpayers, the cost to Karen, and most importantly the cost to the O’Keefe’s of having this trial right now.
Additionally, all the ladies in this group made an Angel's ladies, or something like that, that takes mom O'Keefe out to eat and other gatherings to support her It's all these lady witnesses. It's sad that the people, who potentially killed her son, are keeping her so close to keep Karen guilty in her mind. And, if you watch Paul O'Keefe, he mean mugs Karen in such an intimidating way, it's scares me. Karen has to look straight forward, when her lawyers are at sidebar, while he stares her down all the time.
@@RozeechildRN Yeah, I'm not mad at him or their family though. It makes sense for them to have trusted with the version of the situation cops & prosecution would have told them. Most victim families do, and John was a cop too so, it would be extra hard for them to doubt what they're told, let alone be able to easily believe that other cops would have contributed to his death or covered it up. I wish them all peace, and as much truth as they can handle. I feel so awful for them.
Imo her testimony about the dog being let out is interesting! Because it seems like it's about the time Officer O'Keeffe would have been coming in. He may have hit the back of his head on that fire hydrant fighting off the dog.
@@tatertotter808Hmmm. How do you know she waited until he got inside? That is a very interesting idea, but we will never know. I don’t even think Miss Read remembers.
I just skipped the prosecution and went RIGHT to cross becuz I can't fcking take it anymore 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ the more I watch the more I become convinced Karen Read is not guilty.. And unless they have some smoking gun against her coming I don't see why they are even prosecuting this case
I'm in the same boat. As I've said elsewhere, i am thinking we need like video evidence or something unconnected to LE collecting evidence or reports cuz I question the veracity of a few of them and maybe more
I feel like this case (similar to how I felt about Zachariah Anderson) the defendant may well have done it but I am not being told a case anywhere near compelling enough to meet beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution has got a long way to go and based on the first 10 days and the opening I don't see us getting there.
I hope there is a neighbor that heard that dog barks. I do believe once we get to the experts the truth will emerge. Expose the criminals. Their all an embarrassment to Irish people everywhere.
My heart breaks for the O'Keefe family listening to the lack of care given towards a human, a fellow police officer, on the Albert's front lawn... I wonder if the O'Keefe family has changed their thoughts about the case? 😔
It's must be devastating for them to have to go through all this. One bright spot to take from this though, is how much Johns death as helped to shed light onto all the curruption that's taken place
@@McQuizzicalI agree! The shade is more than 50 😎😏 He didn't die in vain ... John was loved. That is all a parent would want for their child ... and justice ⚖️
@@McQuizzicaland to hear how many people knew of him and admired him for taking on his niece and nephew. It’s just so heartbreaking that they lost their parents, then John and Karen. I haven’t seen anything that convinces me Karen did this, and if that’s the truth, my heart breaks for her as well. She lost everyone she cared about through her life with John all at once, and is fighting for her life and freedom against what appears to be major corruption. 😞
I wonder, too. I’m sure there’s a lot they know already/assumed BUT i wonder if they really knew all this and are now wondering what really happened. I’d be pissed sitting there listening to all his supposed friends among other things.
I am absolutely no closer to thinking Karen Read is guilty than I was on day one. Ten days and 28 witnesses in... I've watched every bit of coverage with EDB. Came in knowing basically nothing, the name sounded familiar, but only because I think I've heard EDB mention it once or twice over the past year or two. Feels like I've gotten about three of my questions answered so far... and gained about a thousand more since trial started. It is so hard not to go look things up right now. I went into Murdaugh with a bit of a biased against him I think. But the state almost didn't do it for me. ... feels like the state is in an even worse position here...
I came in with a bit of a bias against Karen Read because it’s usually the intimate partner. I still find her actions super sus. But the prosecution has not proven anything beyond a reasonable doubt other than the snow and that the table was a high top. Maybe there’s more coming. But just with how botched the crime scene investigation was, let alone how badly compromised the primary investigator was, I don’t know how you get to beyond a reasonable doubt, even before you get to Albert family questions.
I'm catching up late. I would say I'm still open minded to the possibility that there's good evidence against Karen Read, but where is it? Why haven't I seen it so far? We're ten days in and all I've heard is her hysterical remarks after a traumatic event, and something about bits of a tail light which nobody seems to have actually seen. We seem to be exploring literally everything else EXCEPT evidence against the defendant.
I knew nothing of this case at all. Even started it late. The prosecution has given me nothing! It seems like such a simple case drunk driving. But they haven’t even shown that to be a fact. I feel at this point even if it was as the prosecution has claimed they couldn’t charge her. They absolutely destroyed the scene, let local politics run the investigation and up charge someone in a means to save face. I can’t even. I knew nothing at all. I had not background info. But this court has exposed a lot shady, or bad business many have to answer for.
I am very conflicted about the phone issue. If the phones were so important, why wasn’t the data extracted/phones cloned in the week(s) after JO died? I understand they tried to get access to his phone and it was denied. If he got rid of the phone before he received an order (don’t they send them certified mail to prove date of delivery) didn’t he have every right to do so? I get why attorneys may be mad/frustrated, but hate the game not the player 🤷♀️. Very much like the defense parsing words and extracting portions of sentences to make something out of nothing but he gets SO aggressive when the witness plays the same games he does. Turnabout is fair play my man.
@@wildwindfarm144 Because the investigator wasn't going to investigate another cop. He knows enough people, he absolutely knew that order was coming down - the hearing was public & broadcast. He knew. He absolutely knew. The defense had to fight to try to get access to his phone. She didn't have a defense team & they didn't know everything they'd need to know to take that step until long after the time period you're talking about.
Have they even gotten to HOW being backed into could've caused his injuries? Did I fall asleep during that testimony? I vaguely heard about this case before trial and don't think I'm any closer to thinking she's guilty of manslaughter than I was before. Let alone 2nd degree murder
Thank You Emily for ensuring that our focus remains on the case and what the witnesses have to say rather than their appearance. As the survivor of an impaired collision involving fatalities (We were hit by an impaired driver. He killed himself and his two passengers) it is so encouraging seeing these young people being responsible, involving drinking & driving. Our son too is 25 years old, and his crew always Ubers or cabs it if they are drinking at all. It's too bad the individuals my age, nearly 60, still do not get the damn message!!
Including police officers. I don't know how we can be sitting in a trial where one of the charges is driving while impaired, and a retired police officer is casually talking about drinking all evening and then driving home. If the victim really was hit by a drunk driver, it could have been any one of these idiots.
Caitlin comes off as SO rehearsed to me. Didn’t talk about testimony with anyone but seems to me to be anticipating what questions are coming and giving more details before they’re asked for. Knew exactly what to say on the question about the paramedic.
I think it’s VERY interesting how carefully and similarly Caitlain and Katie answered about their relationship, idk anything outside of what happens in court with EDB but it just immediately sent up every red flag.
Replay crew💜 I don’t believe for one hot second that Brian Albert Sr. Is intimidated by that journalist. Not do I believe he would be afraid to testify with him in the courtroom!
Honestly, though, many people do because they know they are going to have to get up and shovel. They keep an eye on the storm's development. My husband would keep an eye out because his shift in corrections would require driving in early. It's not unreasonable for people to go look out the window when they wake up to use the bathroom. Maybe everyone he knew had off Saturday but, it is a thought.
The real question is: "Does your Dad, a police office, usually drive his work vehicle home after drinking?" ... Hmm so there are 3 justice systems: poor, rich and police
Cops walking out of bars with alcohol. Cops ignoring judges orders to preserve evidence. Hard to believe they are operating on the same system as the general public.
To be fair his vehicle was at the airport still. His flight was cancelled and they had to drive back home. I think its odd he took the unmarked car, but his car was not presently at the house
@@runner18x Yout missed her point entirely. It's not that he was driving his work vehicle. It's that he was driving after drinking, and it's just the cherry on top that it was a police issued vehicle.
32 minutes in as Brian Jr takes the stand & I am immediately empathetic toward this witness because I've had bad birthdays but I have never had a birthday marred by events like this. Hopefully the extent of his testimony is I was just trying to enjoy my time with my friends & know nothing about what the alleged grown-ups were doing.
I am immediately empathetic toward him too. He seems nervous, but it's a different kind of nervous. It feels like testifying in court & being over his head a bit nerves. Not hiding things nerves. I am just at the very start of his testimony right now so maybe I'll change my mind, but at the moment, I feel for him & I don't get the impression he's in this up to his eyeballs the way I did with other members of his family.
I feel the same way. My dad and I shared a birthday, and he passed away suddenly a couple of weeks before our birthday (he was planning to come visit me and my family on the day). I didn't get to say goodbye. It was ten year on the 23rd of April, and I still struggle to celebrate my birthday. I think that might be why I relate to Brian jnr.
He seemed pretty genuine to me and putting his anxiety issues out there for all to see, I def felt for him a bit and felt like he wasn’t really hiding much
Caitlyn Albert saying she didn’t watch the testimony and no one told her about the testimony seems like a bold face lie. How did she know to be SO specific about photos of them together???? WOW!!
Her family absolutely discussed this with her! Just like every one of the family members and friends did with each other. I believe that some of them even watched the previous court days on UA-cam. There's no way they didn't coach each other.
Right, for somone she wasn't friends with and only came across, she had her words so carefully chosen and ready without hesitation. It felt like she knew she would be asked.
Caitlin Albert totally knew that the questions she was asked about Katie McLaughlin were coming! Not only did she not look surprised at all, she even answered using similar wording. These Alberts are shady AF.
Not only that, she answered a question she hadn’t even been asked. Did he only ask her who Katie was? But then she went on a long answer about who she was and ended with a thorough explanation about how they had mutual friends and were friendly but not really friends. But he didn’t ask her if they were friends, did he? He was going to, but he hadn’t yet.
I'm at that point now. My exact thoughts! If it's because she's been questioned about this numerous times, the prosecution should have mentioned it. Cause it sounds really shady after the other one distanced herself so badly from her...
Well it's interesting cuz the video footage of emergency services coming to the residence, it looked to me like there should have been enough lighting between vehicles and street lights to see a body on the side of the road.
My issue with the dog is I have a dutch shepherd that we have been working with on aggression in "her" home. (Anywhere she claims as hers) My genuine biggest fear is someone "barging" in unannounced and I dont have time to get my dog undercontrol. We also know absolutely everything that happens outside of our 3rd floor apartment as my dog hears everything. The rehoming is extremely suspicious to me.
Agreed. I purposely stayed away from anything about this case so I could try coming in as a “juror” and have both sides present to me and decide based on that. However, there’s so much reasonable doubt right now I don’t know if we’re prosecuting the Alberts, who seem super shady and dishonest, or Karen Read. 😬
There is NO way the jury will not have any doubt… I don’t see how any jury could convict her based on all the fuckery from law enforcement and the sketchy testimonies
@@mariee.5912if I was the defense during closing I would bring up a slide in the power point of a graph of the sleep that Albert Sr says happened we come to find out he sleep maybe 3 hours after such a long day
To continue believing that there are good cops outhere. Those that commit bad acts MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. Based on what we have seen sooo far Ms Read should be found NOT GUILTY
So far, I agree with you. So much reasonable doubt here. No motive. I don't get how this case passed Grand jury in the first place. It will come to light.
There are good cops out there and generally you don't hear about those doing their job right cuz they're doing their job. Those with power need checks and balances and visibility, transparency, and sunlight is a great way to keep ppl accountable. So far, the Commonwealth has yet to show me anything that even gives me beyond a reasonable doubt of invol. Manslaughter. Technically we don't even know John O Keefe died yet. And defense has shown all kinds of doubt for me with Lanke and Brian Alberts testimony and parts of Chris. I'm waiting to see if the evidence on Proctor is what defense claimed but with all the lack of interviews, delayed interviews, ppl being interviewed together I already have doubt of Proctor even being involved in investigation and doing it wrong so how can we trust evidence he collected or his interviews so far??
Emily, I live in MA and really like your coverage of this case. I was a visiting nurse in the Canton area back in the day. I pray the truth comes out for all involved. Thanks for all your input and commenting, I find it very helpful.
I know, I wished the female attorney after sensing his more softness would then switch the attack strategy to rapport building with kindness and then start leaning towards "if a crime has been committed and people are covering it up and lying would the right thing be to tell the truth and give John's family closure and karen her freedom etc etc" in a slow sense of questions. Mightve had more of an impact
This is probably nitpicking but it’s driving me nuts how all these witnesses say ‘can you rephrase that?’ Vs ‘can you repeat’ that when they feign not understanding a question
Can we please give the female defense attorney a little bit of grace on her voice and nervousness. I’m not new at my job and sometimes when I have to present in front of hundreds of people, I too get a little shaky and nervous. I think that’s pretty normal. She knows that tens of thousands of people are watching her. In fact, I want to give her kudos for not having a crutch word like umm, or what if any, or sorta…
Amen!! Lawyers all start off somewhere and this is a huge case to be on. I'm sure the defense lawyers weren't this good from the very start of their careers. Give the girl a break! She's definitely learning from 2 great lawyers!!
I think shes great, hopefully the men are giving her kudos so she builds her confidence. She had sone better topics today, not just insignificant stuff
A running ambulance alone is deafening. Multiple fire engines are Loud AF. The idea that the dog slept through the whole thing and was in the room overlooking the yard is beyond belief! 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🔴💜
I’ve had fire engines frequently on my block and not only do they idle loudly, but they also have these sun pack lights that are as bright as the sun at noon. They wake me from a dead sleep frequently. I live on a block of Condos and a seniors hospice care centre.
Anyone can destroy their physical phone but the data on the phone never goes away. If it’s an iPhone, when you buy a new phone, you log into the Cloud and all of the data from your old phone, automatically downloads to your new phone. They did this so that if people lose their phone, upgrade or it’s damaged, nothing is ever lost. If they had wanted or needed to get the data, the police could have easily have done so.
The guys would know the sound of the diesel vehicles, especially EMT, despite the absence of sirens. At that time of morning, very unusual for that large of a vehicle coming down the street. HAVING multiple LEOs in the house, senior in rank, they would be familiar with that engine sound, especially when accelerating.
The "absolutely not" gets me. That leaves no room for flexibility or grey areas. It's like an end all. No need to look into it because there can't possibly be any other information, so don't bother looking. The only time I hear people say that is when they are hiding something. I don't believe him at all.
The mystery phone calls just make no sense! Why didn't Brian Albert just say he was on his phone and accidentally dialled and thought he hung up before it went through then Higgins called hom back, they loled for 22secs about a butt dial and hung up
The biggest question I have is what happened to make Caitlyn go home at 2am instead of staying the night, when that seemed to be her intention when Tristin left her to go home to bed earlier in the evening.
Right. Even if I hadn’t planned on it, if there were hazardous winter weather conditions, I would have pivoted and stayed the night at my parents’ house for the night. A very odd decision (in my mind) to make given the circumstances
The distance to the road isn’t very far, and having lived in a place where it snows, it’s pretty easy to see tracks in the snow when it isn’t yet very deep.
It blows my mind how many people come to a commentary law channel and complain about Emily giving commentary. Lol. These must be the people we have to put warning labels on pillows for.
Emily, I was a paramedic with a local fire department for about eight years. Believe you me they had all shown up on my property. I would have definitely gone outside to ask what was going on. Also, something to consider. I know from my experience that most.EMS LE personnel would has scanners in their homes. Is quite likely that Albert already knew what was going on just because of that. But I do think that most people whose business it was to take care of these things would have gone out and ask what was going on. After all, it was his front yard.
Long time watcher. Just saying that I am not watching live out of respect for EDB. I know too much and don't want to mess up EDB's wish to watch as a juror. Love being part of the rewatch crew. She is picking up on every issue that caused me concern when I first heard about things myself. I miss you chat! See you on the next trial :)
I watch Emily's lives every day. I don't watch any other that Runkle because he does the same as Emily. I don't watch any other coverage,I look at it like I'm an alternate that gets to talk and watch the trial. ❤
It is an emotional roller coaster watching Emily watch it live for the first time. It is funny how she gets sidetracked with "im not sure this is necessary questioning", followed immediately by "WHHHAAAT?" It is like watching a friend watch a movie or series and trying not to give spoilers.
@@JimiandSamantha This is why I love her so much! It feels like watching with a friend who happens to know all the legal stuff. I'm almost always replay crew but I don't watch anyone or anything else until I watch Emily's coverage.
Appreciate you trying not to add "outside info"! I'm so annoyed by the people in the comments being all "you should not say that if you don't know yada yada" 🙄 I would agree if this was gossiping and theories without fact, but this is the trial. If it doesn't come up during trial, it won't be judged by the jury. I don't get why people don't get that 😮💨
OMG Soooooo GLAD u made the “My cousin Vinny” reference 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻. I have totally thought the same thing .. “ I shot the clerk??” I have seen that movie about 50 times . Now I can finally use that statement “I shot the clerk?” And it refers to a REAL case 🙌🏻🙌🏻. Love ur channel EDB ❤
"Have you watched previous testimonies?" "No" "Who is Katie?" "She is a friend of a friend that I have rarely seen and have no relationship with" M'kay 🙄🙄🙄
There was a pedestrian in front of our building who I didn't even know. But when she fainted, I got out of the building to check on her and help if needed. I can't even imagine how no one of that family stayed inside and did nothing.
Every day that I tune in...I think to myself...there's no way in hell it can get any worse than it already is....and EVERY SINGLE DAY I am absolutely mind blown. On day 1 I was naturally "How did we get here?" as of day 11 I am like "Seriously, how the f*ck did we even get here?!?!" My 6 yr old daughter could've ran the investigation better than the way it was investigated! I'm shook-eth to my core at this point!
Replay crew.. I wanted Jackson to say, "How convenient, Mr Albert... you got rid of your phone, you got rid of your dog, you got rid of your job and you got rid of your house. Is That a coincidence? " I dont believe a word of his testimony!
When Caitlin Albert left the house and pulled out of the driveway, the car’s headlights would have been pointed directly at the flag pole, yet she didn’t see a body?!
Ok , first it's basically a blizzard outside. Number 2 who is gonna turn on their lights then start looking out in the yard ? You are gonna look at the road or behind you if you were backing up.
Katlyn said they were looking at photos downstairs, and Brian Sr said it was upstairs in his bedroom. Also, when she left the house she would have passed his body.
Replay crew, so CA offers a whole dissertation about the friendship dynamic with paramedic KM, but she wasn’t coached and isn’t following the case online 🤔
Now I really want to know whether the flag was still up when EMS/cops arrived to the scene where they found John in the snow and, if so, whether they normally left it up or whether they normally took it down or illuminated it at night, as per the flag code. I wouldn't necessarily expect just anyone to do this but I would expect a cop to know that this is what one is supposed to do since I learned about it in fire academy myself and we always took down our flag at the station too unless we were on a call at sundown and then we'd take it down when we got back. My point is that anyone who would have gone out to take down the flag would have seen John's body had it been there at the time. Since they hadn't yet returned home by sunset, I would either expect them to go take it down when they did get home or to have not put it up in the first place due to the snow storm later on. If we still see the flag when the first responders arrive or whether we don't see it are both important things to establish. I wish I had thought about this earlier on when we had pictures of the scene. I might go look though.
The audacity of ppl thinking we care when they comment "[blank streaming] is better because no commentary" 😅 go off. Love all of the commentary Emily! That's why we are Law 💜 Nerds!
The son was the only one who seemed to be honest. Almost forgot my 25-year-old grandson does live at home. He doesn’t make enough money to live on his own yet. And he will be returning to school at some point in the near future. We live near Cincinnati, and the rents here are very high, not to mention the price of houses.most young people, I know simply cannot afford to go out on their own.
I agree, I liked him and he seemed consistent and not being evasive. My spouse lived at home until we got married at 26. He worked and they had an agreement on rent, food/meals, and laundry. Helped him save money, he helped with chores around the house, Hung out with friends and younger sibling when home from college. I have no problem with it as long as son/daughter are contributing to caring for home in whatever arrangement, and really paying even some small rent just helps ensure they are working and having to be responsible with their finances and following the house rules.
My oldest lives at home and he's a bit older than that, he's the reason I can afford to pay my bills. I worry he feels obligated to live at home & that I'm holding him back.
Yeah I lived at home when I was 25, too. It just didn't make sense to move out when I barely had any money. I did what I could to cook and clean though!
Both mom and daughter Albert said, dad and brian went to family room to look at pictures. Brian/dad said he took Higgins up to the bedroom on the 3rd floor. Huge diff to family room in sight, to 3rd floor bedroom out of sight.
Those Albert kids certainly got some amazing memory. Imagine not having to tell the police what happened that night for over a year and still remember every single little detail today, almost 2,5 years later. WITHOUT going through it all with your family. Who are they kidding.. How about “have we talked about it..? Yes of course we have.. who wouldn’t?” Cause.. WHO wouldn’t 🤯
Your aunt's/uncle's friend is found dead in your lawn and you don't discuss it with your family? But you do discuss the "harassment" you received as a result of said man being discovered a couple of feet from your house? Wtf?
@@Lu-li1ei 100%! If it was me and my family actually didn’t have anything to do with it the discussions would be wild!! And if it was me and my family HAD something to do with it.. the discussions would be… just as wild 💁🏼♀️
As an observation: Brian Albert Jr refers to his "Auntie JJ" and it's charming and genuine. When Alex Murdaugh referred to his son Paul as "Pa Pa" it felt empty, inauthentic, and counterfeit.
I'll be honest, one of the best parts of being replay crew is the fact I can just skip through large parts of the direct testimony - props to Emily for listening to it all!
Thank you for asking. He will never be OK. His life came to a stop at 30 years old and he is permanently disabled. We love and support him, but it is heartbreaking.
In Texas a witness can be held in contempt for “discussing their testimony with anyone.” You can’t compare notes with the other witnesses or hear their testimony until you have been excused as a witness after your testimony is complete. 🤷🏻♀️
Our poor favorite Greek couple!! Caitlin didn’t even acknowledge that they came in with her Aunt Jen and Uncle Matt! Really shows that if you aren’t a member of the Albert family or a good friend (obviously Brian Higgins made the cut) or locally famous for stepping up and being a hero for your family, you just don’t exist. I live in a small town like that where if your roots don’t go back several generations, you aren’t accepted in the groups that run the town. It makes it hard to be civic minded and want to participate because you are never really accepted. Just tolerated 😢
Super cliquey because they all grew up together. They already have friends and aren’t interested in making new ones. Outsiders are treated as such no matter how many years they live there, because they don’t have the childhood and family connections that the home town people all have. 🤷🏻♀️💜
1:14:14 @edb I learn so much from you… you make the law very accessible. I am contemplating entering law school and I feel like your tutelage will help me to do well!
The one thing about phones when they come up to needing replacing, is the battery longevity, they usually need charging more frequently. So Brian's excuse for replacing his phone (eg bad reception) and no mention of charging his phone after such a long day, is not consistent.
@@christinegreen3974 Exactly, far from it, if you were innocent you'd preserve any evidence you could to help prove it and aid the investigation, especially so if you're in law enforcement. This case is heartbreaking and the investigation stinks to high heaven!
Is Karen gunna get on the stand?? Thank you for all the clarification and guidelines that you help us through this trial you have been amazing coming from Hanover Massachusetts ❤️🐾💕
What I've learned from the prosecution:
- It was snowing
- It was Brian's birthday
- There were doughnuts
What I've learned from the defence:
- Red solo cups and random unsealed paper bags are adequate for collecting evidence
- People don't need to be interviewed after a body is found (informal conversations will do!) and when they are interviewed it is months and months later
- No one saw anything, no one talks about anything
- Brian Snr got rid of his house, his dog, his phone and job all after the incident
- No one knows who answered their phones at weird hours (Which appear to have been answered!)
- No one is close to anyone (until they are)
Also interesting how every Albert has the same story… If I hear they all arrived btwn 12:05-12:10 one more time, I’m gonna lose it
This comment is wonderfully helpful 🎉🎉 can we get this as a pinned comment after every court day!
The whole thing is so clicky entwined. Brian Sr. has been lead to believe he is king and nobody messes with him or his family. I hope this exposure helps people see how petty, arrogant, and dangerous these people are. I'm so glad Karen Read is exposing them. I hope she's exonerated.
Also, no clue about a preservation order on his phone, but totally aware that it was denied several times before that. Not sure on the date he 'upgraded' his phone, but absolutely positive it wasn't after the 22nd when that preservation order was signed.
I love this comment so much.
This trial is just weird. It feels more like the defense of the Albert family than it does the prosecution of Karen Read.
Right!!! Like what was that after lunch. His house all of a sudden has cell service issues
Right!!!! So weird.
Yes!! I said this too, the prosecutor feels like its main job is to shield the Albert family, not one shred of how Karen did it, why or how.
And the way this witnesses can’t remember one thing of anything that makes them look bad then then turn into perfect memory of things that makes them look good is very suspicious
The Albert family made a lot of changes from the dog being rehomed out of state, his phone being given away the day before he is ordered to preserve it, and they sold their house.
@@SavvyGirl751 and those are big changes too
I’m so angry on behalf of John’s family & friends… they have had so much tragedy in their lives, lost so many family members. And they are sitting, listening to this huge extended Canton family with cops, AG, and other LE-adjacent cousins & friends talk about John’s death as “the incident”... doing everything possible to distance themselves from finding out how a guy who was universally admired, ended up on the edge of death on their family property.
It’s Day 10 of an 8 week trial and so far we’ve only established that the investigation was an absolute joke, no-one treated it as a suspicious death, and there’s clearly something shady going on with the homeowner & the investigator. And that’s not even counting the FBI investigation hanging over the proceedings like a cloud.
Regardless of whether Karen was responsible, this is not how you get justice & I’m struggling to understand how this is worth the cost to the taxpayers, the cost to Karen, and most importantly the cost to the O’Keefe’s of having this trial right now.
When declared not guilty I hope Karen sues the shit out of every adult Albert
Additionally, all the ladies in this group made an Angel's ladies, or something like that, that takes mom O'Keefe out to eat and other gatherings to support her It's all these lady witnesses. It's sad that the people, who potentially killed her son, are keeping her so close to keep Karen guilty in her mind.
And, if you watch Paul O'Keefe, he mean mugs Karen in such an intimidating way, it's scares me. Karen has to look straight forward, when her lawyers are at sidebar, while he stares her down all the time.
@@RozeechildRN Yeah, I'm not mad at him or their family though. It makes sense for them to have trusted with the version of the situation cops & prosecution would have told them. Most victim families do, and John was a cop too so, it would be extra hard for them to doubt what they're told, let alone be able to easily believe that other cops would have contributed to his death or covered it up.
I wish them all peace, and as much truth as they can handle. I feel so awful for them.
@@dragonfishxx I absolutely agree with you, doesn't make me mad, makes me sad for them. However, Paul still scares me. I know he's hurting too though.
I can't wait to hear the defenses closing arguments. They will be spectacular!
Imo her testimony about the dog being let out is interesting! Because it seems like it's about the time Officer O'Keeffe would have been coming in. He may have hit the back of his head on that fire hydrant fighting off the dog.
@@daffydill5590 its interesting how insistent the defense is on asking where Conner Albert was though.
@@daffydill5590hmmm but Karen would have seen that right? She waited a while after JO went inside
@@tatertotter808Hmmm. How do you know she waited until he got inside? That is a very interesting idea, but we will never know. I don’t even think Miss Read remembers.
@@daffydill5590oh interesting theory 😮
Brian Albert speaks the truth when he says “I didn’t care” who was sprawled out on his front yard 6am with a raging snowstorm , Riiiiight.
I just skipped the prosecution and went RIGHT to cross becuz I can't fcking take it anymore 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ the more I watch the more I become convinced Karen Read is not guilty.. And unless they have some smoking gun against her coming I don't see why they are even prosecuting this case
The prosecution just talks in circles about the same things
Omg. I did that, too, after a few minutes.
I'm in the same boat. As I've said elsewhere, i am thinking we need like video evidence or something unconnected to LE collecting evidence or reports cuz I question the veracity of a few of them and maybe more
LMAOOOO I felt like I was being bias for doing the same!! Thank you for validating my boredom with the prosecution 🤣
I feel like this case (similar to how I felt about Zachariah Anderson) the defendant may well have done it but I am not being told a case anywhere near compelling enough to meet beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution has got a long way to go and based on the first 10 days and the opening I don't see us getting there.
Can you imagine the massive reflection of all those lights against the snow?!?!? It would be like a rave out there!
Someone posted a photo that the neighbor took from their window and it was insanez
Taking all their credibility that they didn’t hear anything or go out to check?
I hope there is a neighbor that heard that dog barks. I do believe once we get to the experts the truth will emerge. Expose the criminals. Their all an embarrassment to Irish people everywhere.
What has being irish got to do with it
@@paulacosgrove2231 The Albert family r Irish....Canton Ma.
My heart breaks for the O'Keefe family listening to the lack of care given towards a human, a fellow police officer, on the Albert's front lawn... I wonder if the O'Keefe family has changed their thoughts about the case? 😔
It's must be devastating for them to have to go through all this. One bright spot to take from this though, is how much Johns death as helped to shed light onto all the curruption that's taken place
@@McQuizzicalI agree! The shade is more than 50 😎😏 He didn't die in vain ... John was loved. That is all a parent would want for their child ... and justice ⚖️
@@grasshopper2144 Amen
@@McQuizzicaland to hear how many people knew of him and admired him for taking on his niece and nephew. It’s just so heartbreaking that they lost their parents, then John and Karen. I haven’t seen anything that convinces me Karen did this, and if that’s the truth, my heart breaks for her as well. She lost everyone she cared about through her life with John all at once, and is fighting for her life and freedom against what appears to be major corruption. 😞
I wonder, too. I’m sure there’s a lot they know already/assumed BUT i wonder if they really knew all this and are now wondering what really happened. I’d be pissed sitting there listening to all his supposed friends among other things.
I am absolutely no closer to thinking Karen Read is guilty than I was on day one. Ten days and 28 witnesses in... I've watched every bit of coverage with EDB. Came in knowing basically nothing, the name sounded familiar, but only because I think I've heard EDB mention it once or twice over the past year or two. Feels like I've gotten about three of my questions answered so far... and gained about a thousand more since trial started. It is so hard not to go look things up right now.
I went into Murdaugh with a bit of a biased against him I think. But the state almost didn't do it for me. ... feels like the state is in an even worse position here...
Same.
I came in with a bit of a bias against Karen Read because it’s usually the intimate partner. I still find her actions super sus. But the prosecution has not proven anything beyond a reasonable doubt other than the snow and that the table was a high top. Maybe there’s more coming. But just with how botched the crime scene investigation was, let alone how badly compromised the primary investigator was, I don’t know how you get to beyond a reasonable doubt, even before you get to Albert family questions.
I completely am in the same boat as you!
I'm catching up late. I would say I'm still open minded to the possibility that there's good evidence against Karen Read, but where is it? Why haven't I seen it so far? We're ten days in and all I've heard is her hysterical remarks after a traumatic event, and something about bits of a tail light which nobody seems to have actually seen. We seem to be exploring literally everything else EXCEPT evidence against the defendant.
I knew nothing of this case at all. Even started it late. The prosecution has given me nothing! It seems like such a simple case drunk driving. But they haven’t even shown that to be a fact.
I feel at this point even if it was as the prosecution has claimed they couldn’t charge her. They absolutely destroyed the scene, let local politics run the investigation and up charge someone in a means to save face.
I can’t even. I knew nothing at all. I had not background info. But this court has exposed a lot shady, or bad business many have to answer for.
It's obvious that someone game Mr. Albert a heads up that this court order was coming.
And weren't they instructed to not do anything to the device until the order came down anyway? Or did I mishear/misunderstand something?
I am very conflicted about the phone issue. If the phones were so important, why wasn’t the data extracted/phones cloned in the week(s) after JO died? I understand they tried to get access to his phone and it was denied. If he got rid of the phone before he received an order (don’t they send them certified mail to prove date of delivery) didn’t he have every right to do so? I get why attorneys may be mad/frustrated, but hate the game not the player 🤷♀️. Very much like the defense parsing words and extracting portions of sentences to make something out of nothing but he gets SO aggressive when the witness plays the same games he does. Turnabout is fair play my man.
@@wildwindfarm144 The defense had to demand it via court order - the investigation never showed any interest in the phones on its own.
@@wildwindfarm144 Because the investigator wasn't going to investigate another cop.
He knows enough people, he absolutely knew that order was coming down - the hearing was public & broadcast. He knew. He absolutely knew.
The defense had to fight to try to get access to his phone. She didn't have a defense team & they didn't know everything they'd need to know to take that step until long after the time period you're talking about.
@@wildwindfarm144because destruction of evidence would normally be suggestive of guilt.
It’s frustrating that we can have a full day of court yet get so little info because of an hour of ridiculous questions by the commonwealth
They take forever to get to the point of the witness 😫 Sooo much time spend for nothing.
I am replaying this at 1.5 speed. And I am still dying 😤🤷🏻♀️🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
They are dragging their feet
My issue is the prosecutor has not shown why they believe Karen Read killed John ; seems defense does better job of creating doubt
Have they even gotten to HOW being backed into could've caused his injuries? Did I fall asleep during that testimony? I vaguely heard about this case before trial and don't think I'm any closer to thinking she's guilty of manslaughter than I was before. Let alone 2nd degree murder
Thank You Emily for ensuring that our focus remains on the case and what the witnesses have to say rather than their appearance.
As the survivor of an impaired collision involving fatalities (We were hit by an impaired driver. He killed himself and his two passengers) it is so encouraging seeing these young people being responsible, involving drinking & driving.
Our son too is 25 years old, and his crew always Ubers or cabs it if they are drinking at all.
It's too bad the individuals my age, nearly 60, still do not get the damn message!!
Including police officers. I don't know how we can be sitting in a trial where one of the charges is driving while impaired, and a retired police officer is casually talking about drinking all evening and then driving home. If the victim really was hit by a drunk driver, it could have been any one of these idiots.
Caitlin comes off as SO rehearsed to me. Didn’t talk about testimony with anyone but seems to me to be anticipating what questions are coming and giving more details before they’re asked for. Knew exactly what to say on the question about the paramedic.
I think it’s VERY interesting how carefully and similarly Caitlain and Katie answered about their relationship, idk anything outside of what happens in court with EDB but it just immediately sent up every red flag.
Almost the exact words
I dont believe CA didnt see the trial. She was READY to answer those questions.
Agreed! Her explanation to knowing Officer CM was almost a direct response to the officer’s testimony.
100%
Yep, she spent too much time trying to explain how she’s sort of an acquaintance. That was so obvious
On replay! Bryan A., Jr. is a kindred soul, that seems very honest and nervous. My heart goes out to him.
If he was then he'd spill the beans on what happened to the truly good man, JO.
If he's the one whose bday it was, he seemed a pretty sound guy
If it was a cover up I hope the parents would at least be good enough to leave him out of it.
That's exactly the vibe I got, whatever his parents are doing or want to do he's definitely out of the worst of it
I agree. How sad he got dragged into his lying parents mess!
Replay crew💜 I don’t believe for one hot second that Brian Albert Sr. Is intimidated by that journalist. Not do I believe he would be afraid to testify with him in the courtroom!
When we’re expecting a snowstorm, I’m always looking out the window to see how much snow we got. 1:31:50
That's you not everyone else. Speak for your self
Honestly, though, many people do because they know they are going to have to get up and shovel. They keep an eye on the storm's development. My husband would keep an eye out because his shift in corrections would require driving in early. It's not unreasonable for people to go look out the window when they wake up to use the bathroom. Maybe everyone he knew had off Saturday but, it is a thought.
@@username.invalid763 She literally was. Why are you so angry about it?
Same like if they say it’s going to snow I am looking out the window constantly until it starts and then I keep checking for sticking and accumulation
Her answer to ‘who is Katie McLaughlin’ was suspiciously fulsome for someone who hadn’t been warned it was coming.
The real question is: "Does your Dad, a police office, usually drive his work vehicle home after drinking?" ... Hmm so there are 3 justice systems: poor, rich and police
Cops walking out of bars with alcohol. Cops ignoring judges orders to preserve evidence. Hard to believe they are operating on the same system as the general public.
To be fair his vehicle was at the airport still. His flight was cancelled and they had to drive back home. I think its odd he took the unmarked car, but his car was not presently at the house
@@runner18x Yout missed her point entirely. It's not that he was driving his work vehicle. It's that he was driving after drinking, and it's just the cherry on top that it was a police issued vehicle.
32 minutes in as Brian Jr takes the stand & I am immediately empathetic toward this witness because I've had bad birthdays but I have never had a birthday marred by events like this. Hopefully the extent of his testimony is I was just trying to enjoy my time with my friends & know nothing about what the alleged grown-ups were doing.
Brian Jr is involved in covering up a murder, why are you sympathetic to him
I am immediately empathetic toward him too. He seems nervous, but it's a different kind of nervous. It feels like testifying in court & being over his head a bit nerves. Not hiding things nerves. I am just at the very start of his testimony right now so maybe I'll change my mind, but at the moment, I feel for him & I don't get the impression he's in this up to his eyeballs the way I did with other members of his family.
I feel the same way. My dad and I shared a birthday, and he passed away suddenly a couple of weeks before our birthday (he was planning to come visit me and my family on the day). I didn't get to say goodbye. It was ten year on the 23rd of April, and I still struggle to celebrate my birthday. I think that might be why I relate to Brian jnr.
As a homebody introvert I also feel for him. I found his testimony pretty believable too. He didn’t seem invasive on purpose, but nervous.
He seemed pretty genuine to me and putting his anxiety issues out there for all to see, I def felt for him a bit and felt like he wasn’t really hiding much
“Amorously butt dialing” 😂
Caitlyn Albert saying she didn’t watch the testimony and no one told her about the testimony seems like a bold face lie. How did she know to be SO specific about photos of them together???? WOW!!
Her family absolutely discussed this with her! Just like every one of the family members and friends did with each other. I believe that some of them even watched the previous court days on UA-cam. There's no way they didn't coach each other.
Right, for somone she wasn't friends with and only came across, she had her words so carefully chosen and ready without hesitation. It felt like she knew she would be asked.
Caitlin Albert totally knew that the questions she was asked about Katie McLaughlin were coming! Not only did she not look surprised at all, she even answered using similar wording. These Alberts are shady AF.
Not only that, she answered a question she hadn’t even been asked. Did he only ask her who Katie was? But then she went on a long answer about who she was and ended with a thorough explanation about how they had mutual friends and were friendly but not really friends. But he didn’t ask her if they were friends, did he? He was going to, but he hadn’t yet.
I'm at that point now. My exact thoughts! If it's because she's been questioned about this numerous times, the prosecution should have mentioned it. Cause it sounds really shady after the other one distanced herself so badly from her...
THIS!!! Exactly 👏🏼
Caitlain leaving and not seeing John's body seems like a win for the defense? Lally seems to be arguing for the family, not the Commonwealth?
Exactly!
Well it's interesting cuz the video footage of emergency services coming to the residence, it looked to me like there should have been enough lighting between vehicles and street lights to see a body on the side of the road.
The focus is on proving the Albert’s innocence rather than Karen’s guilt. Tells you all you need to know
Her whole testimony seemed very very rehearsed
@@Turtle22124 I agree, a good mash up of her mum and dad's testimonies.
My issue with the dog is I have a dutch shepherd that we have been working with on aggression in "her" home. (Anywhere she claims as hers)
My genuine biggest fear is someone "barging" in unannounced and I dont have time to get my dog undercontrol.
We also know absolutely everything that happens outside of our 3rd floor apartment as my dog hears everything.
The rehoming is extremely suspicious to me.
The Phones Butt dialed, unanswered, re-homed.With all the other coincidences. Is there enough doubt yet???
I came with an open mind and impartial, but gezz, they're trying so hard to distance themselves that it looks like the Albert's are hiding something.
Has to be, it's too much!
Agreed. I purposely stayed away from anything about this case so I could try coming in as a “juror” and have both sides present to me and decide based on that. However, there’s so much reasonable doubt right now I don’t know if we’re prosecuting the Alberts, who seem super shady and dishonest, or Karen Read. 😬
There is NO way the jury will not have any doubt… I don’t see how any jury could convict her based on all the fuckery from law enforcement and the sketchy testimonies
@@mariee.5912if I was the defense during closing I would bring up a slide in the power point of a graph of the sleep that Albert Sr says happened we come to find out he sleep maybe 3 hours after such a long day
Im sure Albert has no friends in the Judge's office or DA that would have told him that the preservation order was coming the next day...
Ya no possible way! 🙃 he just wanted to upgrade since he’s such an apple head
Anyone else think Brian Sr looks like a comic book villain?
Handsome though to this ole lady’s eyes 😛
No. Looks pretty normal to me.
He looks like a conceided, arrogant cop.
He unfortunately has what I would call “angry eyebrows” lol
And Brian jr. Looks like one the guys from the show Reno 911 or super troopers. I think it’s the dark hair and stash
To continue believing that there are good cops outhere. Those that commit bad acts MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. Based on what we have seen sooo far Ms Read should be found NOT GUILTY
So far, I agree with you. So much reasonable doubt here. No motive. I don't get how this case passed Grand jury in the first place. It will come to light.
For sure. It's getting harder & harder to have any faith & we should be able to have some amount of faith.
There are good cops out there and generally you don't hear about those doing their job right cuz they're doing their job. Those with power need checks and balances and visibility, transparency, and sunlight is a great way to keep ppl accountable. So far, the Commonwealth has yet to show me anything that even gives me beyond a reasonable doubt of invol. Manslaughter. Technically we don't even know John O Keefe died yet. And defense has shown all kinds of doubt for me with Lanke and Brian Alberts testimony and parts of Chris. I'm waiting to see if the evidence on Proctor is what defense claimed but with all the lack of interviews, delayed interviews, ppl being interviewed together I already have doubt of Proctor even being involved in investigation and doing it wrong so how can we trust evidence he collected or his interviews so far??
See you back here in a year.
Can't wait.
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Emily, I live in MA and really like your coverage of this case. I was a visiting nurse in the Canton area back in the day. I pray the truth comes out for all involved. Thanks for all your input and commenting, I find it very helpful.
Caitlin DEFINITELY knew what he was getting at when he first asked about Katie
Emily, you need to represent me so I can explain to my boss why all my work projects are taking so long. Lol. Saying I’m at trial won’t cut it!
I work in a busy law firm and (thankfully) my bosses don't mind me listening to EDB!! 💜
@@stellaallbright4750 Lucky! It’s on the job training lol
I like Brian Albert Jr. I consider his testimony much more believable than any of the other witnesses so far.
I know, I wished the female attorney after sensing his more softness would then switch the attack strategy to rapport building with kindness and then start leaning towards "if a crime has been committed and people are covering it up and lying would the right thing be to tell the truth and give John's family closure and karen her freedom etc etc" in a slow sense of questions. Mightve had more of an impact
This is probably nitpicking but it’s driving me nuts how all these witnesses say ‘can you rephrase that?’ Vs ‘can you repeat’ that when they feign not understanding a question
Can we please give the female defense attorney a little bit of grace on her voice and nervousness. I’m not new at my job and sometimes when I have to present in front of hundreds of people, I too get a little shaky and nervous. I think that’s pretty normal. She knows that tens of thousands of people are watching her. In fact, I want to give her kudos for not having a crutch word like umm, or what if any, or sorta…
Amen!! Lawyers all start off somewhere and this is a huge case to be on. I'm sure the defense lawyers weren't this good from the very start of their careers. Give the girl a break! She's definitely learning from 2 great lawyers!!
Agree. And she knows how important all of this is. How big this case is & what getting it right or wrong means. It's a lot of pressure.
I get soo nervous doing any sort of presenting or public speaking, my voice shakes and Mt ability to think clearly goes out the window.
She did great, she’s probably pretty experienced, just not as much as her co-counsel.
I think shes great, hopefully the men are giving her kudos so she builds her confidence. She had sone better topics today, not just insignificant stuff
The judge called the photos of the baby shower cumulative, but the first half hour of Caitlyn’s testimony isn’t?
The fire engine and ambulance are loud just running without sirens 🚨
A running ambulance alone is deafening. Multiple fire engines are Loud AF. The idea that the dog slept through the whole thing and was in the room overlooking the yard is beyond belief! 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🔴💜
Even if police,fire cars are ran without sirens their lights would be on so that alone would be intriguing enough to see what's happening?
I’ve had fire engines frequently on my block and not only do they idle loudly, but they also have these sun pack lights that are as bright as the sun at noon. They wake me from a dead sleep frequently. I live on a block of Condos and a seniors hospice care centre.
@@gryffent exactly! Like how did they not HEAR ANYTHING 🤷🏻♀️😳
So is a leaf blower and a hysterical woman (KR) screaming.
I have to admit I get busy while half listening and suddenly hear Emily repeating “wait what?!” Oh shit now what did I miss
Albert and Higgins both destroy their phones??!! Hell to the No as a juror would I decide Karen is guilty
Anyone can destroy their physical phone but the data on the phone never goes away.
If it’s an iPhone, when you buy a new phone, you log into the Cloud and all of the data from your old phone, automatically downloads to your new phone. They did this so that if people lose their phone, upgrade or it’s damaged, nothing is ever lost.
If they had wanted or needed to get the data, the police could have easily have done so.
The guys would know the sound of the diesel vehicles, especially EMT, despite the absence of sirens. At that time of morning, very unusual for that large of a vehicle coming down the street. HAVING multiple LEOs in the house, senior in rank, they would be familiar with that engine sound, especially when accelerating.
A member of my family was a victim of a crime, I hope and pray the prosecutor for that case is not as horrible as this prosecutor!
The "absolutely not" gets me. That leaves no room for flexibility or grey areas. It's like an end all. No need to look into it because there can't possibly be any other information, so don't bother looking. The only time I hear people say that is when they are hiding something. I don't believe him at all.
The mystery phone calls just make no sense! Why didn't Brian Albert just say he was on his phone and accidentally dialled and thought he hung up before it went through then Higgins called hom back, they loled for 22secs about a butt dial and hung up
Maybe the phone disappeared because he's having an affair and doesn't want that to get out
Exactly
The biggest question I have is what happened to make Caitlyn go home at 2am instead of staying the night, when that seemed to be her intention when Tristin left her to go home to bed earlier in the evening.
Right. Even if I hadn’t planned on it, if there were hazardous winter weather conditions, I would have pivoted and stayed the night at my parents’ house for the night. A very odd decision (in my mind) to make given the circumstances
That is a great point! I totally missed that. She had planned to stay and then didn't.
yes! her parents are protective….seems like they would have insisted she stay….unless something horrific happened and they wanted her out of there
How could Brian Jr. see tire tracks from the window…seems like a long distance to see the tire tracks at night?
During a blizzard
The distance to the road isn’t very far, and having lived in a place where it snows, it’s pretty easy to see tracks in the snow when it isn’t yet very deep.
I was upstairs looking at pictures with Brian Higgins. Conflicting testimony!
It blows my mind how many people come to a commentary law channel and complain about Emily giving commentary. Lol. These must be the people we have to put warning labels on pillows for.
What a mess, ty for covering this one Emily.
Emily, I was a paramedic with a local fire department for about eight years. Believe you me they had all shown up on my property. I would have definitely gone outside to ask what was going on. Also, something to consider. I know from my experience that most.EMS LE personnel would has scanners in their homes. Is quite likely that Albert already knew what was going on just because of that. But I do think that most people whose business it was to take care of these things would have gone out and ask what was going on. After all, it was his front yard.
Long time watcher. Just saying that I am not watching live out of respect for EDB. I know too much and don't want to mess up EDB's wish to watch as a juror. Love being part of the rewatch crew. She is picking up on every issue that caused me concern when I first heard about things myself. I miss you chat! See you on the next trial :)
I watch Emily's lives every day. I don't watch any other that Runkle because he does the same as Emily. I don't watch any other coverage,I look at it like I'm an alternate that gets to talk and watch the trial. ❤
I try and stay out of chat. I really hope she goes through the pre trial hearings and motions! ETA: after the trial of course!
It is an emotional roller coaster watching Emily watch it live for the first time. It is funny how she gets sidetracked with "im not sure this is necessary questioning", followed immediately by "WHHHAAAT?"
It is like watching a friend watch a movie or series and trying not to give spoilers.
@@JimiandSamantha This is why I love her so much! It feels like watching with a friend who happens to know all the legal stuff. I'm almost always replay crew but I don't watch anyone or anything else until I watch Emily's coverage.
Appreciate you trying not to add "outside info"! I'm so annoyed by the people in the comments being all "you should not say that if you don't know yada yada" 🙄 I would agree if this was gossiping and theories without fact, but this is the trial. If it doesn't come up during trial, it won't be judged by the jury. I don't get why people don't get that 😮💨
OMG Soooooo GLAD u made the “My cousin Vinny” reference 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻. I have totally thought the same thing .. “ I shot the clerk??” I have seen that movie about 50 times . Now I can finally use that statement “I shot the clerk?” And it refers to a REAL case 🙌🏻🙌🏻. Love ur channel EDB ❤
Caitlyn was obviously coached on what to say since Katie testified. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Yes! The extensive answer she gave was so very obvious!
"Have you watched previous testimonies?"
"No"
"Who is Katie?"
"She is a friend of a friend that I have rarely seen and have no relationship with"
M'kay 🙄🙄🙄
omg that pissed me off. nobody answers that way when asked if you know someone, unless ur told to say that
Coached as *hell*.
Caitlin is clearly coached, repeats her parents well.
Definitely coached.
There was a pedestrian in front of our building who I didn't even know. But when she fainted, I got out of the building to check on her and help if needed. I can't even imagine how no one of that family stayed inside and did nothing.
Every day that I tune in...I think to myself...there's no way in hell it can get any worse than it already is....and EVERY SINGLE DAY I am absolutely mind blown. On day 1 I was naturally "How did we get here?" as of day 11 I am like "Seriously, how the f*ck did we even get here?!?!" My 6 yr old daughter could've ran the investigation better than the way it was investigated! I'm shook-eth to my core at this point!
Replay crew.. I wanted Jackson to say, "How convenient, Mr Albert... you got rid of your phone, you got rid of your dog, you got rid of your job and you got rid of your house. Is That a coincidence? "
I dont believe a word of his testimony!
I'm sure he'll say something like that in closing arguments. 😉
When Caitlin Albert left the house and pulled out of the driveway, the car’s headlights would have been pointed directly at the flag pole, yet she didn’t see a body?!
But it was snowing, remember?? 😭😭
It was snowing and most of us by habit would be looking at the road, on coming traffic type obstacles/looking for lights, not the lawn.
. At almost 2 am on a side street, no traffic at all...
Ok , first it's basically a blizzard outside. Number 2 who is gonna turn on their lights then start looking out in the yard ? You are gonna look at the road or behind you if you were backing up.
And wouldn’t the boyfriend have seen it driving up to the house?
This morning was spicy 🔥🔥🔥 playing catch up for the afternoon (poo poo having to work)
How can they get someone to testify at a grand jury or any hearing without formal interview, investigation, or sworn statements?
Replay crew! It's 11 pm but I finished today's live in time to watch Day 11. Phew! Glad tomorrow is a half day. I 💜 your coverage EDB!
I want to see everyone prosecuted that has lied and tried to cover up whatever really happened.
Yes. I doubt they will be though. This was a investigation was so botched no one is ever going to be able to prove anything.
Me too
I would subpoena the store records on when the phone was rehoused to see when it actually was.
I would think that would've been really easy to do. But what do I know. 😂
Katlyn said they were looking at photos downstairs, and Brian Sr said it was upstairs in his bedroom. Also, when she left the house she would have passed his body.
I would be outside post haste asking wtf was going on!
So the Albert's can hear a squeaking door but not sirens of firetrucks, ambulance & police cars😢
The house must be so insulated that it’s sound proof to outside noise. 😂
@@T-Marie812 they must have the best insulator in the area😁
@sunnyday1868 with black out curtains
Didn't Brian Albert say in court that he wasn't a close friend of Higgins? But then later we see that they were very close friends.
He doesn't recall
Absolutely he did. He changed his mind about the nature of their friendship half-way through his testimony. Nothing he said is credible at this point.
I don’t think I’d take my “not a friend “ to my house and kiss them at the bar
Yeh, and Caitlin calls him, a friend of her Dads.
I found Brian Albert Jr pretty consistent and believable for the most part. He seems like he didn’t want to have any sort of part in any of it.
Yeah he seems like a decent and truthful dude
Like a nice, nervous guy.
Then he should tell the truth. They all know what happened, bc the entire town of Canton seems to know.
Yeah, the drinks are what my kids his age drink. They take Ubers or get dropped off. He seemed to answer naturally.
Coached.
Oh Caitlin, you forgot the story, it was your Dad and Higgins looking at family pictures UPSTAIRS girl.
•2:59:23 Brian Albert changed
Phone number & Provider…. So is that an upgrade?⁉️⁉️
•Wait till u hear what HiggiNs did with his 📱 ‼️
What did higgens do??
Can not wait…..can not…bated breath
That's NOT an upgrade. That's an experienced Sargent Detective covering his behind.
@@WatchTashiout of respect for others with that rank, it's Det. Sargeant.
The way BA said “John O’Keefe never entered into my house” had the same tone when A. Heard repeated her lies …
The Judge is looking at her watch, facing the window with her back to the witness, and rocking back and forth. Absolutely unprofessional.
Replay crew, so CA offers a whole dissertation about the friendship dynamic with paramedic KM, but she wasn’t coached and isn’t following the case online 🤔
Now I really want to know whether the flag was still up when EMS/cops arrived to the scene where they found John in the snow and, if so, whether they normally left it up or whether they normally took it down or illuminated it at night, as per the flag code. I wouldn't necessarily expect just anyone to do this but I would expect a cop to know that this is what one is supposed to do since I learned about it in fire academy myself and we always took down our flag at the station too unless we were on a call at sundown and then we'd take it down when we got back.
My point is that anyone who would have gone out to take down the flag would have seen John's body had it been there at the time. Since they hadn't yet returned home by sunset, I would either expect them to go take it down when they did get home or to have not put it up in the first place due to the snow storm later on. If we still see the flag when the first responders arrive or whether we don't see it are both important things to establish. I wish I had thought about this earlier on when we had pictures of the scene. I might go look though.
What a great point
I wouldn't make it through this trial without your commentary. Lally needs to move it along. So damn frustrating.
He says at 13:50 he looks out and he "doesn't see john at that time". Did he see him out there some other time then??
I now have the song, Somebody That I Used to Know, listening to the attorney tell the judge about why to ompeach Mclaughlinm
They said Brian Higgins parked in front of the mailbox so why didn’t Brian jr. see it when he looked out!
Yes I’m curious about that too! I could be wrong but I don’t think we have a timeline on when Brian Higgins left 34 Fairview yet.
The audacity of ppl thinking we care when they comment "[blank streaming] is better because no commentary" 😅 go off. Love all of the commentary Emily! That's why we are Law 💜 Nerds!
How could people leave the party and not see him? It doesn't make any sense to me. I hope it gets explained
Why didn't BA say he had upgraded his phone when the DA had the group call to notify? That is the most odd thing to me of everything
The son was the only one who seemed to be honest. Almost forgot my 25-year-old grandson does live at home. He doesn’t make enough money to live on his own yet. And he will be returning to school at some point in the near future. We live near Cincinnati, and the rents here are very high, not to mention the price of houses.most young people, I know simply cannot afford to go out on their own.
I agree, I liked him and he seemed consistent and not being evasive. My spouse lived at home until we got married at 26. He worked and they had an agreement on rent, food/meals, and laundry. Helped him save money, he helped with chores around the house, Hung out with friends and younger sibling when home from college. I have no problem with it as long as son/daughter are contributing to caring for home in whatever arrangement, and really paying even some small rent just helps ensure they are working and having to be responsible with their finances and following the house rules.
My oldest lives at home and he's a bit older than that, he's the reason I can afford to pay my bills. I worry he feels obligated to live at home & that I'm holding him back.
Yeah I lived at home when I was 25, too. It just didn't make sense to move out when I barely had any money. I did what I could to cook and clean though!
Was his department aware that his house is a dead zone? How many vital professional calls has he missed?
Emily you are so funny love your expressions x
Both mom and daughter Albert said, dad and brian went to family room to look at pictures. Brian/dad said he took Higgins up to the bedroom on the 3rd floor. Huge diff to family room in sight, to 3rd floor bedroom out of sight.
Those Albert kids certainly got some amazing memory. Imagine not having to tell the police what happened that night for over a year and still remember every single little detail today, almost 2,5 years later. WITHOUT going through it all with your family. Who are they kidding.. How about “have we talked about it..? Yes of course we have.. who wouldn’t?” Cause.. WHO wouldn’t 🤯
Your aunt's/uncle's friend is found dead in your lawn and you don't discuss it with your family? But you do discuss the "harassment" you received as a result of said man being discovered a couple of feet from your house? Wtf?
@@Lu-li1ei 100%! If it was me and my family actually didn’t have anything to do with it the discussions would be wild!! And if it was me and my family HAD something to do with it.. the discussions would be… just as wild 💁🏼♀️
Thank you, for covering this important trial.
I can't wait to hear from Jen
😊
Me too
that was a LOT of an explanation to explain that.... almost like she had a heads up maybe?
As an observation: Brian Albert Jr refers to his "Auntie JJ" and it's charming and genuine.
When Alex Murdaugh referred to his son Paul as "Pa Pa" it felt empty, inauthentic, and counterfeit.
I'll be honest, one of the best parts of being replay crew is the fact I can just skip through large parts of the direct testimony - props to Emily for listening to it all!
Any idea if the judge that denied the turn over of the phones is buddy buddies with anyone? Why would they even do/risk that?
Thank you for asking. He will never be OK. His life came to a stop at 30 years old and he is permanently disabled. We love and support him, but it is heartbreaking.
I thought witnesses were not allowed to speak to anyone during their testimony....if there is a break.
In Texas a witness can be held in contempt for “discussing their testimony with anyone.” You can’t compare notes with the other witnesses or hear their testimony until you have been excused as a witness after your testimony is complete. 🤷🏻♀️
Brian, Jr. seems like a very sweet young man.
Our poor favorite Greek couple!! Caitlin didn’t even acknowledge that they came in with her Aunt Jen and Uncle Matt! Really shows that if you aren’t a member of the Albert family or a good friend (obviously Brian Higgins made the cut) or locally famous for stepping up and being a hero for your family, you just don’t exist. I live in a small town like that where if your roots don’t go back several generations, you aren’t accepted in the groups that run the town. It makes it hard to be civic minded and want to participate because you are never really accepted. Just tolerated 😢
Super cliquey because they all grew up together. They already have friends and aren’t interested in making new ones. Outsiders are treated as such no matter how many years they live there, because they don’t have the childhood and family connections that the home town people all have. 🤷🏻♀️💜
I can’t stand people like that. 😔
1:14:14 @edb I learn so much from you… you make the law very accessible. I am contemplating entering law school and I feel like your tutelage will help me to do well!
The one thing about phones when they come up to needing replacing, is the battery longevity, they usually need charging more frequently. So Brian's excuse for replacing his phone (eg bad reception) and no mention of charging his phone after such a long day, is not consistent.
I guess if someone died in my yard, replacing my phone really wouldn't be at the top of my list for any reasons. It's all weird.
I thought the same thing. If the phone was at the end of it's life, then it would need to be charged mroe often. And it hadn't been charged that day.
@@christinegreen3974 Exactly, far from it, if you were innocent you'd preserve any evidence you could to help prove it and aid the investigation, especially so if you're in law enforcement.
This case is heartbreaking and the investigation stinks to high heaven!
Is Karen gunna get on the stand?? Thank you for all the clarification and guidelines that you help us through this trial you have been amazing coming from Hanover Massachusetts ❤️🐾💕