As a 30 year retired law enforcement investigator who supervised the department and also taught at the police academy, in my opinion, this police department did almost everything wrong., from the leaf blower, solo cups for evidence collection, not packaging evidence correctly, not getting a search warrant for the house, allowing a family friend to be the lead investigator, not securing the crime scene until all evidence is collected, conducting a tent so no more snow would fall on the crime scene, and now interviewing these two subjects together and not at the police station, which is a neutral location. Everybody who was at the house that night should have immediately (as soon as the victim was put in the ambulance) been taken separately to the police department for interviews. I'm curious what f**kup we are going to hear about next. The police cannot go back and fix this now. The result may be an innocent person goes to jail or a guilty person goes free. I am absolutely flabbergasted and shocked that a department would conduct such a shoddy investigation.
As someone who sat on a jury once, I cannot at this point in the trial, see anyone on the jury convicting her. There is no way you can say the "evidence" they collected is proof of anything with how shoddy the collection was. There is just too much doubt in my mind. There are just too many holes poked into the testimony by the defense. I feel so sorry for Mr McKeefe's family having to sit there and hear just how little the Canton police dept and police officers respected him by not doing the best job they could for him once he was dead. I mean, if this was your FRIEND, why wouldn't you want everything to be exact? Dot your i's and cross all your t's?
Thank you for your thoughts, it’s great to hear from LEO’s not associated with the case. Unfortunately us ‘locals’ feel like this investigation (or lack there of) was done on purpose, for the exact reasons you’ve stated. They needed a scapegoat - Karen- because a dead cop showing up on a fellow cops lawn looks terrible, without a suspect. If she’s found guilty - it’s great for what locals feel are the true murderer/s, they get off- if she’s found not guilty- then the ‘shoddy’ investigation will also be great for (again what locals feel) are the true murderer/s, they can’t get prosecuted. So it’s a win/win essentially for those who may be truly guilty of the murder of Officer John Okeefe..
I didn't know anything about this case until last week watching live with EDB. So I come into this as if I were on the jury with no pre-conceived notions one way or another. So far, I have seen and heard nothing that makes any sense as to why Karen Reed is the defendant here. She took a glass from one bar to another. She drove somewhere after the Waterfall bar maybe and maybe or maybe not was drinking alcohol and or water or clear liquid. 9 days of evidence has Not even remotely connected her to a murder or any kind of other nefarious activity. If the case rested today, and if I were on the jury, it would be acquittal 100%. Lally and his team really need to step it up - another 6 or 7 weeks of no evidence??
@@JulieBriggs-hq9fq thank you it’s great to hear other folks views who aren’t from MA & haven’t been too exposed to things yet. I appreciate the comments.
@@karolpage4880 She’s doing a kick butt job reviewing everything!! Although I do find myself correcting things lol,but that’s with most of the UA-cam Lawyers channels. Probably because I’ve invested a year into the research. It’s so good to hear from other folks, especially those without prior knowledge of the case. I appreciate the comment and have to agree (although I’m admittedly biased for the Defense) that the evidence just isn’t there yet and the reasonable doubt thus far is mountainous.
Why would you go out that early when it is cold and snowy to get donuts for someone who obviously will be sleeping until noon, if he is a typical teen.
@@debbie5876 yeah, I can see if you do it on the way to work, or before he goes out for the day, but running over in the middle of or just after a blizzard? Really seems like a good excuse to be in a certain place that really makes no sense you are there. Then she goes to get her husband and bring him back to Fairview to sit there for police interview - WHY?? neither of them were at the house that night?? Makes no sense at all with their explanation. And oh, they are family, no but what about Kevin or the other siblings of Chris and Brian - why werent they there? And why did they have Brian Higgins come over too?? Just give that info to Lanke and give Brian a heads up call.
I thought it was weird too…and he wasn’t even going to work early or anything. So….leave that early in a blizzard when that person is most likely going to be asleep?
@@debbie5876isn't he in his mid 20s? I might do it before the snow gets too bad to drive in or settled in to hibernate the storm out. Get it done early. But I would take it in. Car tradition or not. Everything in this case sound hinky and off, except the bartender and the nice Greek couple from the bar so far.
His 2nd shoe, his belt, his hat were all missing when John was discovered. Police saw none of them. There's only 1 place they could've been - inside the house.
He also said to her that she and her husband made the time before they”had the benefit” of the video with time on it. She agreed. Ya, 12:10 exactly two different people kinda does sounds planned. Haha 🤣 Can remember 12:10 got home - but not 60 phone calls. 😂
@@LKMNOPI thought that a possibility - also possible that they left them in house and then realized after the fact they were there and going t rid of them.
I love how now all of a sudden all these people and family don't know each other...they only "went to school" with people and "speak very rarely" very suspecttt😫
There is some relative-ness to this, as a middle aged person who texts over calling, rarely to me means how much I verbally talk to my dad on the phone. But my sis in law calling me every other or every 3 weeks is frequently. If Julie provided child care for her kids (I think I heard that) then regular calls makes sense, like oh can you watch them this week or im running late or early, etc. She should have said sometimes - no that still seems distancing, she should have just said yes, we talk on the phone but make it about something else. Definitely trying to distance herself, which seems suspiscious cuz its small town, it makes so much more sense to be like "yeah, shes my friend from a while ago, i watched her kids, my kid was in her wedding...but we wouldn't talk about her brothers work, that's inappropriate." I might believe her more then, or at least see that they need to show she talked about the case. My wondering is why did prosecution bring Chris and Julie to testify? Well, maybe Julie cuz she was on the scene in the morning so thats why she and Chris ended up there when Lanke talked to them (still dont understand why, they werent at the house that night). But why not make defense call them up instead of opening them up to cross examine? and questions about Colin? I did not think a thing about Colin until Chris gave those super fast nos...now i want to know more and am fine tuned to any info about Colin. Did they call Chris cuz they think defense will call Colin so they were trying to say their part first? i dont think it worked. Defense calling Colin might have made it seem like they are beating up on a person who was 17 at the time just visiting his cousin for birthday. But right now im thinking much different things about Colin and everything is sus.
All the calls she “doesn’t recall” if it was a text that would have been receipts. My guess is that a family with lots of police members knows not to leave receipts.
I know words mean different things in different cultures especially for the New Englanders but I am having to do some serious mental gymnastics to see 2 calls a week as “rarely.” If that’s “rarely” I wonder what “often” is to her.
I want to know how she could back up 24 miles an hour and hit him. Did she head down the street some distance away, stop, put the car in reverse, stomp on the gas, and expertly swerve backward and hit him while he was standing in the yard? It would take a stunt driver to do this.
@@clt420 I have questions I need to see a recreation or at least a drawing of this hopefully an expert will come in and explain to us how this could be possible
I want to know why he was "struck" on the left side of the property when the driveway (which makes sense to pull into for a drop off) is on far right of the house.
They’re all friends/family with law enforcement. To “not know” you only need to be overly pedantic. For example, don’t recall the exact word for word dialog of a phone call? (I don’t recall what was said/discussed.) It just becomes more obvious when different standards are used for each side by the witness.
Absolutely the way his parents were so defensive about where he was that night. Yet they both contradicting each other in their testimony. Dad said Colin woke them up. Mom said she stayed awake to talk to Colin. He came home after midnight, but they can’t remember what time. Is “Aunt” doesn’t know what time he left her house because she never saw him actually leave. He could have gone down to the basement, and she wouldn’t have known that.🧐🤨
@@maikolosav as ‘Officer Bukakke’ - I didn’t know the world was a ‘thing’ lol- just thought it was because his real name was hard to pronounce lol. Ooops My bad lol..
I am struggling to watch the whole thing because I keep asking, "what, if anything, did we learn from this direct examination?" We are on day 9. Do we have any evidence of guilt?
Same. Its starting to get really interesting now but also harder to keep up with the lies and inconsistencies… what a clusterfuck of a case! Whats standing out big time is the 2 degrees of separation between everyone involved. Im hanging for the crime scene analysis and forensic experts.
@@Roxxie_8I’m looking forward to the defense putting on their case and their closing. I don’t see anywhere that a jury can overcome reasonable doubt so far.
I find it unusual that the Alberts had this late night party - after the bars closed on a stormy night, and the house was "tidy" nothing out of the ordinary at 6am the next morning. Who cleans up after a party in the wee hours perfectly and doesn't leave even a little bit of cleaning up in the morning?
Weren't they drinking from bottles and cans? Eating pizza? How much mess would their be? It wasn't a huge party. Seemed like a few people over that fit in the kitchen.
Don’t get me wrong, I think this family is dubious and LE did a crappy job but cleaning right after a party is commonplace for me. I clean right after parties no matter what time it is as does my Puerto Rican family. I married an Italian man from New England with the same fabulous accent that the ppl in this case have and he and his family do the same so it’s not just me and we are from opposite sides of the country.
@sleepyjavanlangur right? It was only a few people over. Not much more than usual for their family dinner. So, tidying the kitchen before bed or even while still partying. It sounded like they were just sitting around the kitchen table visiting. Not having a major house party.
Loved the dog, 7 years and called her "it" it's just weird. Also lied that Chloe was a reactive biter. 4 months after Officer O'Keffe dies she's rehomed?
@@itsjust_Lisa this whole trial is so frustrating. And I totally disagree with kicking that reporter out. Especially after hearing some of the hoops he had to go through to even get in. I don't know the whole story on that though so I may change my mind. I've never seen a trial like this where the family is so close to the defendent or at least not to the side of them. Nor no grounds or a judge that stops mid answer. It's weird and uncomfortable.
@@dawnijomo1799 the shenanigans outside of this trial with the journalist are unbelievable. It feels like a smoke screen somehow. The ruling seems very unfair, how exactly do those big men, one a retired officer, feel intimidated by a journalist? It's a bit ridiculous. 2 weeks in and the prosecution haven't convinced me the Albert's are innocent (which seems to be what they're pushing) and they certainly haven't shown me any evidence Karen Read hit Officer O'Keffe with her car. I've watched a lot of true crime and CSI stuff, if the snow just started at 12ish, Karen hit him at 12.45. They all left the party by the front of the house by 2am yet saw no body on the lawn. Officer O'Keffe was found on compressed snow and not on the grass? I just can't make that make sense in my brain?
Right they’re all just tiny babies in this house from the cats to the 10lb pom to the Rottweilers although the Pom gets called troll or other names at times cus she’s a BULLY to the large babies lol 😂 but never “IT”
Honestly, it's like a bunch of drunk frat boys went to an escape room, and they told them they had to process a crime scene with only what they had with them. "Quick, get the beer pong cups!" This is ridiculous. I lost it at leaf blower, and, "We improvised." The Stop and Shop bag was just the icing. This was absolutely botched from the beginning, to the point where I can't help but believe it was intentional.
Quick note about dogs from my experience: if there was that much activity going on outside, there's no way my dogs could ever have been calm and quiet.
Yep late night and snow. Agree. We wouldn’t either in Seattle. But but but…my dogs would be barking. Guarding their perimeter you know. And then we would have leapt out of bed. Both Chihuahua mixes so they love barking 🤣
😂😂 Boston baked beans 😂😂😂. Now I will say, as a New Yorker but like out in farmland suburbs in upstate, I've seen police pull over cars in front of my house, we watch out the windows, but don't go out. I've seen cops called to neighbors houses, or ambulances and firetrucks, we watch, but don't go out. We're just nosey Nellies with nothing to contribute. If police came knocking at our door we would answer. I don't know what I'd do if firetrucks, ambulance, police cruisers, and a wailing woman were outside my house at 6:30 in the morning for a few hours, I might at some point pop out to offer coffee or something if it's the middle of a blizzard. But I can definitely see not wanting to be a nosey busybody or contaminate a crime scene. BUT, if I or my spouse was a police officer and or I knew it was my friend firefighter or paramedic I might pop out to say hey, wow, what's going on, can I do anything to help or do you want me out of the way?? And I keep thinking about the police scanner, like don't the older ppl have those in their house? Or is that tech not used anymore? But if you're out drinking and staying up till 2am then maybe you sleep through lights, although I'm not sure sleeping through Karen's wailing
I want to see a demonstrative in Defense closing that shows the family tree/relationship web among all the witnesses (except, perhaps, any scientific or expert testimony), the decedent, and Karen Read. Her lack of connection will stick out like a sore thumb.
My best friend once called me in the middle of the day while I was at work. I went somewhere to immediately call her back cause I knew she knew my work schedule. Then I ran to my boss and told them I was leaving early due to a family emergency. My bestie's dad and boyfriend were arguing on her lawn and were close to blows and she was scared. I sped to her house to break up the fight. There is no fucking way my best friend calls me a 5:55am and me not call her back to make sure she is okay. That early in the morning I might sleep through my phone, but the SECOND I see that missed call she is getting a phone call.
But she said she saw the call, when she woke up. Message or not I immediately call back to see if something is wrong. That's what I personally would do
My friends and I typically text so any phone call from them I'm answering. A phone call that comes through in the middle of the night and I miss it? As soon as I see it I'm calling them back if they don't answer after multiple tries I'm getting in my car and driving over there while calling her boyfriend, her parents and her sister just everybody. Basically I don't trust anyone who seems that unbothered by missing a call from a best friend in the middle of the night
@@apriljoy1094- Let’s not forget, when she went over to her brother-in-law’s house. Jen McCabe was there. Her car was literally parked at their house. Somehow Julie Albert didn’t think to talk to her after receiving a call from her at 5:55 AM. Somehow Jen is at her brother-in-law’s house but they didn’t talk? I don’t buy that for a second.
@@LeannaMurphy-mx7zybecause she likes her nephew enough to drive out in a snowstorm to give him frozen donuts but not enough to make it super special, ie, make it a baker's dozen and hand them off warm and soft?
I keep thinking about all the testimony about how this local PD doesn't process murder scenes. Do they not process any other crime scenes that don't involve murder? I imagine they deal with robberies and assaults and other things that might require the collection of evidence, including blood/DNA/finger prints, but they have made multiple statements that they didn't know the procedure for collecting evidence. They also said that they didn't have any of the items that you would use to collect evidence at their station. This is making my brain cave in. It also makes me feel that based solely on the mishandling of the evidence there is no case here.
Replay crew here. Thanks for covering this. I'm only watching you and Runkle for this case. I am also staying away from all extra input on this case as well. This includes staying out of chat as much as I can & not reading comments.
If Higgins parked out by the curb, how did he not see John??? He would have been in the snow by the time Higgins left if we believe the states theory. Sooooooo 🤔🤔🤔
@soude85, could she have overshot it not knowing the area & and didn't want to back up, so he just jumped out? Doesn't explain why she then backed up into him 🤷🏼♀️
@@moniqued9715 you're walking to your car, it's dark out and there's white snow everywhere... How do you NOT see a 6 ft tall, 200 lb man laying on the ground in the yard of the house you're parked next to? It's like you're saying people can only notice something if they're looking for it.
Yanetti deserves some kind of monument to professionalism constructed for him for holding his decorum together after she said Trooper Bukkake. I would not have been able to do that.
I have a tiny hot dog and he goes nuts if there is a bird outside - and - if he hears car in driveway - how was dog not barking with all the emergency vehicles outside?
lol I have two dachshunds and, to be fair, their breed is notorious for barking at anything and everything. lol but I agree - no way would a dog not have lost its mind over all of that activity.
Idk I’ve had dogs who barked at everything and others who don’t. You can also train dogs to not bark (results may vary lol). Lally should have asked what the dogs usual behavior was.
Yeah I think my carrier/phone does the same. I also use Google screening service, don't know what that shows up as... Actually I think it shows up separate.
Hold that thought. Although it’s going to take a while to get to the defense at this point, those phone calls come into play. There’s a federal investigation as well and they are able to get much more information. So, apparently calls were picked up and the answer changes to butt dials. I won’t spoil. I’ll leave it there, but guarantee you’ll have a chuckle.
OMG how would you be able to keep from laughing if you were actually a lawyer in this court? I just realized I'd be a bad lawyer because I'd probably be crying with laughter and it's not the cop's fault what his last name is. lmao
Every time I hear "Lally," I catch myself singing "Lally Lally, We Likes To Party!" I also launch into "Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls" when they talk about the Waterfall Bar! And so far, none of the Alberts seem to be able to pronounce the word "Recollection."
If the dog was in the bedroom with them, wouldn't she have heard everyone outside?! Also, I'm not sure I'd fancy my chances bursting into an owners bedroom with a German shepherd inside 🙈
Right? My dog isn't a terrible barker, but even with people he knows and loves, he barks enough to get our attention. The puppy is still learning, so he barks more. Neither are guardian breeds like German shepherds that would be far more likely to alert and wake them up long before Jen bursts into an adult couple's bedroom 😬😬
I remember was I was like 5 and my parents car was being stolen by a group of men. My German Shepard Zoe at the time came and woke only me up rather quietly too and got me to follow her to the window in the front room and I sat and watched these men steal my parents car and she was trying to get me to wake my parents but I was like frozen still. One of the men saw me pointed and started to come at me and my dog just sat right in front of me and then his friend another man told him to leave me and they left quickly after with the car. My German Shepard was so quiet with me the whole time it is wild to remember and my parents were shocked she didn’t wake them up and pretty bummed about that because the car was brand new and my dads dream car at the time. So I guess it all depends on the dog and by the sound of the Alberts German Shepard Chloe, it would have definitely made at least a bit of a fuss having all those strangers on their lawn when she apparently doesn’t do well with strangers.
I have 5 sisters. There’s NO WAY IN HELL I would “burst” into any of their bedrooms for any reason. EVER. pound on their bedroom door, yes but I would never just go in the room. I’m doubtful this even happened. This is not credible testimony at all
67 calls in a 7 month period is about 10 times the amount of phone calls I would make in that time amongst all of the people I know combined. I'm constantly texting ppl on a daily basis though, interesting how people put vastly different meanings to the same word "very rarely" to me is like once every other month or less.
Hi EDB/Mods, Long time listener, first time commenter & proud member of the neurdivergent sect of the replay crew o7. As only the second trial I've been current on, I have a unique opportunity to share that I am not a person who tends to read or participate in Chat™ (respect, tho) or much social media and I have been very successful at avoiding whatever all this 'out of court' info is. I want to both appreciate your commitment to cover this case from a juror's perspective, and give feedback that my understanding of the case has not yet been "tainted" by outside information. For whatever my-and others with similar perspectives-vote is worth, it has been effective for me and I have benefited from it. I am petitioning that we be considered, as you weigh the diverse perspectives and opinions of the whole Law Nerd community. Hopefully this finds someone and can be useful in some way. Regaaaads, -Matt
If someone was dead on my front lawn cops would not wait a few days to interview my family they would take us in to the station right then and there on what planet is it ok that the the home owners and everyone inside are not brought in to be properly investigated ooooo thate right if the home owner is a cop
"Very Rarely" Is how often I talk to my mother on the phone, which is like once every 3 months. Averaging more than 2 calls a week within a 7ish month period is OFTEN AS FUCK for me. I don't talk to anyone that often over the phone. I talk via text. With everyone. Like, that is a LOT of calls for that period of time.
I'd go as far as to say that's regularly lol. I speak to my best friend probably about a dozen times a week, and that's probably excessive by most people's standards, we don't get to spend much actual time together due to us both having SEN kids, so we regularly have stuff to talk through on the phone. So compared to that it seems a lot less but either way its certainly regular
She is hiding and lying which causes her to fight against being agreeable in any way Which causes her to make mistakes. She could have compared very rarely 'as compared' to text. So mostly text abs very rarely in comparison on the phone which would imply they text A FUCK TON. So they are very close. Which is strange because she fights against how close they are in the same testimony!
Replay crew here. This drink in Nicole Albert's hand goes to show how "close the community is" Mass.. has very strict rules and at least 2 people left with drinks.
I was thinking about the glass John had - if Karen did take it from the other bar, maybe he was grabbing it when they left to return it there next time. Unless both bars had the same glasses and picked hers up and didn't notice. Maybe that was her last drink so it was the same glass.
Why are people acting like a highball glass is only exclusive to one bar, the waterfall bar? I found it strange that witnesses “just knew” a simple highball glass came from the waterfall when it’s so common. Did it say “waterfall bar” on it? If you’re drinking alcohol, you’re most likely also drinking water too. I’m sure more than one person was given a highball glass for water.
Hang on… Why did Jen McCabe called Julie Albert at 5.55, but Nicole Albert at 6.07 and 6.08? What time did Karen and her friends find JOK? Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the CW would give us a clue?
Well Sarah and Julie are friends of Brian. Brian is the son of Brian and Nicole. Nicole is the sister of Jen, who is married to Matt. Jen is the aunt of Brian. That’s why she likes to get him frozen Donuts (allegedly). Julie is the wife of Chris and the sister in law of Brian. Julie is the aunt of Brian. So both Jen and Julie are aunts of Brian. Brian is also not related to anyone. ….. feels like one of those tricky exams back in High School 😂
I cannot believe her husband immediately got in bed when he got home. He had been drinking alcohol (which is a diuretic), and, at minimum, he would have needed to go to the bathroom.
Miss Nicole Alberts seemed so believable until ol Defense come up on Cross, then its so so off just feeling like shes holding back a whole lot, just like almost everyone else smh
There's been no mention yet of the wound to the back of Officer O'Keffe's head and that he'd lost 3 pints of blood. I'm hoping that's covered in the ME's testimony.
Replay crew here.. Emily said don't google, I googled, I wish I hadn't googled... at least I didn't look at pics but I learned a new word... now I know there is a name for it....
There is a significant amount of snow remaining after John's body is moved. How? Why? If John was (1) just in a-presumably warm-car, (2) had a regular body temperature otherwise, (3) had been drinking-causing vasodilation-all evening, and (4) there was only a dusting of snow on the ground at the time he was-allegedly-hit and landed on the front yard, why wasn't there a John-sized grassy spot after his body was moved?
@itsallmyfault Plow didn’t come through until 2:30 am and several cars left from the house before that time. Can’t fathom how a body in the road wouldn’t have been seen.
EDB, you had me laughing. I, too, am originally from California. Now living in Clarksville, TN. Here, we did get the hail. Golf ball size. 2 chunks filled the whiskey glass. And yes, the wasps are different. The ones in Cali are straight thugs. They need no reason to attack, they just come at you for no apparent reason. And then their whole nest buddies come to join in. The red ones here are not at all the same. They try to ignore us and have yet to come at us. Even when taking out their nests. But hearing you speak of all that brought back funny wasp trauma memories. Thank you for the continuous laughs!😂
Nicole Albert said she didn’t hear the ambulance nor any of the many vehicles in front of her house/bedroom window. When she denied answering her phone, she said it was only her, her husband and The DOG in her bedroom. I don’t know about your dogs but All of the ones I’ve had over the decades would have BARKED a lot…Especially at a “hysterically screaming woman” on my lawn.
In Idaho the Coroner is elected doesn't have to have medical background that's how Tammy D was declared natural death, even though the Coroner was EMT. In Australia we have the Coroner's Court, it's an appointed position they usually have legal/judicial background the ME reports to them they them, they investigate unattended deaths that are not immediately classified as suspicious.
Im still stuck on the dog attack. House full of first aid trained people and an ambulance had to be called by SOMEONE ELSE for the person their dog attacked. Was any of the first responder people living in that house in the house at accident time? Did they help the bitten woman? Did they see the attack, did they direct the 911 call? Did the Alberts just leave a woman whom their dog bit to her own devices? Are they likely to do that??
I don’t think anyone would consider 67 calls in 7 months “rarely” or “very rarely” That’s an average of a call every 3 days some of us don’t even talk with our family that often
Is it just me or do all the Alberts look like nice enough people in direct, but then get angry in cross? Like they aren't just defensive, they are downright pissed off and snappy. That's what it would look like if nobody ever dared to question your family, you know?
To suddenly say ‘ your husband is a highly trained fighter practice fighting in bar room goof play’ would piss me off too. Because it’s so obviously BS. Imagine yourself in that position, forget court room, just at a dinner party and someone being passive aggressive.
@@saradf4890 it was passive aggressive when it was clearly play fighting even the defense knows that. And the rude way to address she just threw her dog away. I think it’s the passive aggressive tone. Which they are allowed , but then having your back up is not a sign of guilt. . I felt her tears when she was talking about rehoming. I teared up too. ( yes I find the IT a bit weird too. I use my pooch’s names or she.)
As Emily stated previously 'good luck to you. You're going to have the day you deserve right about now.' I dedicate that statement to most of the prosecution 'witnesses?' I have lots of questions. Reminder that sometimes in life, the problems you have are self-created. Also, be mindful of who you protect because that action alone can destroy you mentally.
So glad you are covering this and love getting your view of it. Today I for once disagree with you about the play fighting. I agree it was just play. But as a German Shepard owner they are EXTREMELY protective and usually pick 1 person to defend over anyone else. When my dog is having a on edge day my husband and adult son can't even hug me. The dog also goes right for the arm and will hang off sleeves to protect mommy If the guys were playing around someone could have gotten attacked
That’s what she is saying. It doesn’t make sense as visitor to pull in someone’s driveway full of cars knowing they are going to park behind you unless you were staying the night. Makes no sense. Unless he was pulling in the driveway to turn the car around to park on the street already.
Either way it’s not a big deal. Maybe a gap of 10mins if at all. Not enough buffer for a ‘cover up’. For a cover up I would make everything a lot more air tight.
@@marlbboro8091 It is given the time they're saying their son got home to clear him & how hard they're working to condense time to make that make sense.
As a parent of all adult children with 2 living at home, they text us when they leave the destination and again when they get home so we can go to sleep and then check our phone to make sure they are safe without getting out of bed.
Brian Albert knew there was a fellow Boston PD living in small town Canton and they never reached out to each other? BS! Unless there was a reason they didn’t like each other.
Me in a boring 🥱 zoom meeting doing my multitasking (meaning EDB on on ear, meeting on other ear). All the sudden trooper b*k*k* “appears” in court and I spite my coffee and have a total breakdown 😂😂😂 had to disconnect from the meeting due to “wifi” issues 🤣🤣🤣
I'm sitting in our courthouse hallway, waiting for our courtroom to reopen, watching this. We were in the middle of a pretrial conference, when the judge had to close the courtroom for a "quick" break to deal with a different matter involving a minor (a case we aren't working on) so far this quick break has been over an hour lol. At least I'm not bored. But I have people walking by and I just said "oh give me a break" 😆
Replay crew! I normally listen in my office, but my day was wild like the court’s this morning lol! It’s a good thing I caught up on a long drive this evening, because Lally’s “is there a question” comment had me yelling in my car, “stfu Lally!” And “you tell him Emily!” 😂🤷🏼♀️ definitely couldn’t have done that at work lol!
I dont think the focus on the play fighting at the bar is to imply it was a real fight. I think they're establishing that people were getting physical even if it was in fun. They're all big guys, it would be really easy for O'Keefe to get knocked down and hit his head even if they were just joking. And I've had a dog that interpreted play fights as aggresion and jumped in. I think it's laying foundation that something happening in the house might not have been hostile, it could have started as an accident.
Definitely laying a foundation. There are people on the defense witness list that will be talking about BA’s fighting. Apparently when he has a few he starts throwing punches.
It’s a very deep rabbit hole. As a local I first saw it on the news and thought what a tragedy. Drinking, accident, just sad. Fast forward a long time after and so much more came out. I saw the autopsy photos from a hearing and that was it. For me anyway, I couldn’t see how a vehicle did that. Then I learned a lot more and it just kept going. Then names I knew, and on it went. It will be interesting if we can get past the prosecution wasting time on nothing. Sadly, local media reported it as they had video of her backing into h. That was false.
@@LeannaMurphy-mx7zy Yeah, there is no way those injuries on his arm were caused by a car. Just none. I am torn between seeking out all the outside details & waiting to see what comes in court lol
Something like this sounds like the most reasonable explanation. It could have been an accident in the house... if that was the case they never cared about screwing up someone's life.
So, i know it seems weird nicole didnt wake up with the cop cars and firetruck and karen screaming, but i can say from firsthand experience, some people sleep deep enough that they wouldn't hear. Im more curious as to the 2 "answered" calls. Because it doesnt say they were missed calls.. so who *did* answer?
@@MissX905 dunno. Our dog barely lifts his head when we get up, so without knowing what the dog was/is like, i dont have any theorys for the dog either.
Emily, didn't Lank say it was 15/20 minutes and he didn't get past the foyer? Nicole Albert says they sat in the kitchen for 45 minutes? None of these statements were recorded or written and signed?
The Canton police may not investigate murders but some of the same principles of investigation would apply to all crimes, like chain of custody and how to handle evidence. It seems to me, they did not really know how to do any of this. So, IMO they appear to be either extremely poorly trained, incompetent or they have manipulated all aspects of this murder.
As a 30 year retired law enforcement investigator who supervised the department and also taught at the police academy, in my opinion, this police department did almost everything wrong., from the leaf blower, solo cups for evidence collection, not packaging evidence correctly, not getting a search warrant for the house, allowing a family friend to be the lead investigator, not securing the crime scene until all evidence is collected, conducting a tent so no more snow would fall on the crime scene, and now interviewing these two subjects together and not at the police station, which is a neutral location. Everybody who was at the house that night should have immediately (as soon as the victim was put in the ambulance) been taken separately to the police department for interviews. I'm curious what f**kup we are going to hear about next. The police cannot go back and fix this now. The result may be an innocent person goes to jail or a guilty person goes free. I am absolutely flabbergasted and shocked that a department would conduct such a shoddy investigation.
As someone who sat on a jury once, I cannot at this point in the trial, see anyone on the jury convicting her. There is no way you can say the "evidence" they collected is proof of anything with how shoddy the collection was. There is just too much doubt in my mind. There are just too many holes poked into the testimony by the defense. I feel so sorry for Mr McKeefe's family having to sit there and hear just how little the Canton police dept and police officers respected him by not doing the best job they could for him once he was dead. I mean, if this was your FRIEND, why wouldn't you want everything to be exact? Dot your i's and cross all your t's?
Thank you for your thoughts, it’s great to hear from LEO’s not associated with the case. Unfortunately us ‘locals’ feel like this investigation (or lack there of) was done on purpose, for the exact reasons you’ve stated. They needed a scapegoat - Karen- because a dead cop showing up on a fellow cops lawn looks terrible, without a suspect. If she’s found guilty - it’s great for what locals feel are the true murderer/s, they get off- if she’s found not guilty- then the ‘shoddy’ investigation will also be great for (again what locals feel) are the true murderer/s, they can’t get prosecuted. So it’s a win/win essentially for those who may be truly guilty of the murder of Officer John Okeefe..
I didn't know anything about this case until last week watching live with EDB. So I come into this as if I were on the jury with no pre-conceived notions one way or another. So far, I have seen and heard nothing that makes any sense as to why Karen Reed is the defendant here. She took a glass from one bar to another. She drove somewhere after the Waterfall bar maybe and maybe or maybe not was drinking alcohol and or water or clear liquid. 9 days of evidence has Not even remotely connected her to a murder or any kind of other nefarious activity. If the case rested today, and if I were on the jury, it would be acquittal 100%. Lally and his team really need to step it up - another 6 or 7 weeks of no evidence??
@@JulieBriggs-hq9fq thank you it’s great to hear other folks views who aren’t from MA & haven’t been too exposed to things yet. I appreciate the comments.
@@karolpage4880 She’s doing a kick butt job reviewing everything!! Although I do find myself correcting things lol,but that’s with most of the UA-cam Lawyers channels. Probably because I’ve invested a year into the research. It’s so good to hear from other folks, especially those without prior knowledge of the case. I appreciate the comment and have to agree (although I’m admittedly biased for the Defense) that the evidence just isn’t there yet and the reasonable doubt thus far is mountainous.
I didn’t think anything could beat “Who, if anyone, was driving the ambulance?”, but “Trooper Bukake” might do it… 😂
Replay crew behind schedule, but just caught up to the bukaki...I'm dying!!!!😂
😂😂😂
I just got off work. This can’t be real.
And it’s nothing like his real name!
@@browndog319 What's his actual name? I just caught up. I was thinking its something like Burke or Buchanan and she's just remembering a tag
If I’m going out in a blizzard to get my nephew donuts I’m waking him up to watch him eat them in front of me. And I’m having several myself.
Why would you go out that early when it is cold and snowy to get donuts for someone who obviously will be sleeping until noon, if he is a typical teen.
@@debbie5876 yeah, I can see if you do it on the way to work, or before he goes out for the day, but running over in the middle of or just after a blizzard? Really seems like a good excuse to be in a certain place that really makes no sense you are there. Then she goes to get her husband and bring him back to Fairview to sit there for police interview - WHY?? neither of them were at the house that night?? Makes no sense at all with their explanation. And oh, they are family, no but what about Kevin or the other siblings of Chris and Brian - why werent they there? And why did they have Brian Higgins come over too?? Just give that info to Lanke and give Brian a heads up call.
I thought it was weird too…and he wasn’t even going to work early or anything. So….leave that early in a blizzard when that person is most likely going to be asleep?
@@debbie5876isn't he in his mid 20s?
I might do it before the snow gets too bad to drive in or settled in to hibernate the storm out. Get it done early. But I would take it in.
Car tradition or not.
Everything in this case sound hinky and off, except the bartender and the nice Greek couple from the bar so far.
How come none of of these ppl are bothered by drinking and driving including cops it just BLOWS MY MIND 😡😡
Notice how he said he initially went out for food, but ended up ordering drinks when he arrived at the restaurant. ( before the waterfall)
Yeah… the hypocrisy & entitlement here is stunning. Makes me physically sick.
Right & how tf are they charging Karen for an OUI but not everyone else?! There's more evidence & confessions from them to drinking & driving.
@@whyamiheredlb esp bc they're charging Karen for drinking & driving but none of the rest of them??
His 2nd shoe, his belt, his hat were all missing when John was discovered. Police saw none of them. There's only 1 place they could've been - inside the house.
I think that they had dog teeth marks in them and so they couldn't leave them them with the body.
The belt is the strangest thing. Hats can fall off, shoes can potentially come off too. But a belt?
@@LKMNOP I was thinking because it was leather, it absorbed his blood, so they got rid of it.
He also said to her that she and her husband made the time before they”had the benefit” of the video with time on it. She agreed.
Ya, 12:10 exactly two different people kinda does sounds planned. Haha 🤣 Can remember 12:10 got home - but not 60 phone calls. 😂
@@LKMNOPI thought that a possibility - also possible that they left them in house and then realized after the fact they were there and going t rid of them.
“Umm steps??..”
EDB: “Yes. The ones you take with your feet, ma’am..” 😂😂😂 I’m dead
😂 😂 😂
Maybe she thought the steps of a stair that goes to the basement.
This did me!! Proper giggling about it still😂🤣😂🤣
i need a time stamp please omg🤣
I love how now all of a sudden all these people and family don't know each other...they only "went to school" with people and "speak very rarely" very suspecttt😫
If his name wasn't Bukkake, it is now.
I feel for him because he's never going to escape that nickname at work. If my nickname was fucking Bukkake I'd move.
67 calls in 7 months averages to about 2 calls a week. Which I would call more than “very rarely” this couple is hiding what they know.
These are just the calls too. I wonder why we didn't get any text messages and how many of those were there?
There is some relative-ness to this, as a middle aged person who texts over calling, rarely to me means how much I verbally talk to my dad on the phone. But my sis in law calling me every other or every 3 weeks is frequently. If Julie provided child care for her kids (I think I heard that) then regular calls makes sense, like oh can you watch them this week or im running late or early, etc. She should have said sometimes - no that still seems distancing, she should have just said yes, we talk on the phone but make it about something else. Definitely trying to distance herself, which seems suspiscious cuz its small town, it makes so much more sense to be like "yeah, shes my friend from a while ago, i watched her kids, my kid was in her wedding...but we wouldn't talk about her brothers work, that's inappropriate." I might believe her more then, or at least see that they need to show she talked about the case. My wondering is why did prosecution bring Chris and Julie to testify? Well, maybe Julie cuz she was on the scene in the morning so thats why she and Chris ended up there when Lanke talked to them (still dont understand why, they werent at the house that night). But why not make defense call them up instead of opening them up to cross examine? and questions about Colin? I did not think a thing about Colin until Chris gave those super fast nos...now i want to know more and am fine tuned to any info about Colin. Did they call Chris cuz they think defense will call Colin so they were trying to say their part first? i dont think it worked. Defense calling Colin might have made it seem like they are beating up on a person who was 17 at the time just visiting his cousin for birthday. But right now im thinking much different things about Colin and everything is sus.
maybe it was the husband talking to the investigator and not the women which would explain why she remembers nothing
All the calls she “doesn’t recall” if it was a text that would have been receipts. My guess is that a family with lots of police members knows not to leave receipts.
I know words mean different things in different cultures especially for the New Englanders but I am having to do some serious mental gymnastics to see 2 calls a week as “rarely.” If that’s “rarely” I wonder what “often” is to her.
Replay crew here: this trial is exhausting 😭
I concur I want to be objective but I'm not liking any of these people with the exception of the lawyer/pharmacist couple
“SIR- have you met you?!?!” Emily is all of us. 😂
I fell over when Emily said that too 🤣🤣🤣
“For 9 days we have listened to you say ‘What if anything’…SIR!
That was soooo awesome
That was great! 😂 😂 😂
I was literally yelling when he objected with that, I was fuming and I had to dial it back so I could hear Emily’s rant and then I was laughing.
I want to know how she could back up 24 miles an hour and hit him. Did she head down the street some distance away, stop, put the car in reverse, stomp on the gas, and expertly swerve backward and hit him while he was standing in the yard? It would take a stunt driver to do this.
On a curve and in the snow don’t forget
And they said she backed up for 60 feet. Doesn’t seem possible
@@clt420 I have questions I need to see a recreation or at least a drawing of this hopefully an expert will come in and explain to us how this could be possible
I want to know why he was "struck" on the left side of the property when the driveway (which makes sense to pull into for a drop off) is on far right of the house.
and he wouldnt hear this and jump out of the way?
The witnesses always get amnesia when they are being cross examined 🙄
Only when they have something to hide…
They’re all friends/family with law enforcement. To “not know” you only need to be overly pedantic.
For example, don’t recall the exact word for word dialog of a phone call? (I don’t recall what was said/discussed.)
It just becomes more obvious when different standards are used for each side by the witness.
It’s getting hard to escape the impression that people are protecting Colin Albert.
Absolutely the way his parents were so defensive about where he was that night. Yet they both contradicting each other in their testimony. Dad said Colin woke them up. Mom said she stayed awake to talk to Colin. He came home after midnight, but they can’t remember what time. Is “Aunt” doesn’t know what time he left her house because she never saw him actually leave. He could have gone down to the basement, and she wouldn’t have known that.🧐🤨
“Bukkake” wasn’t on MY bingo card!
I’ve been saying that (yes even in public) for months now. I didn’t learn until today though what it meant lol. BIG oops!! 😆
Do. not. google. this. 🤣🤣
@@TheMsLipps In what context have you been saying that?! 😅 I learnt this word today 😅
@@maikolosav as ‘Officer Bukakke’ - I didn’t know the world was a ‘thing’ lol- just thought it was because his real name was hard to pronounce lol. Ooops My bad lol..
No clue about that word! 😅had to google !! 😅
I am invested but this trial is exhausting
I am struggling to watch the whole thing because I keep asking, "what, if anything, did we learn from this direct examination?" We are on day 9. Do we have any evidence of guilt?
@@ahuggie I haven't seen a smoking gun at all.
Same. Its starting to get really interesting now but also harder to keep up with the lies and inconsistencies… what a clusterfuck of a case! Whats standing out big time is the 2 degrees of separation between everyone involved. Im hanging for the crime scene analysis and forensic experts.
@@ahuggieright? 9 days of nothing tying K.R. to a murder. Possibly a theft of a drinking glass. What a sh** show
@@Roxxie_8I’m looking forward to the defense putting on their case and their closing. I don’t see anywhere that a jury can overcome reasonable doubt so far.
I find it unusual that the Alberts had this late night party - after the bars closed on a stormy night, and the house was "tidy" nothing out of the ordinary at 6am the next morning. Who cleans up after a party in the wee hours perfectly and doesn't leave even a little bit of cleaning up in the morning?
Amazing demeanor too. Very unrattled.
Weren't they drinking from bottles and cans? Eating pizza? How much mess would their be?
It wasn't a huge party.
Seemed like a few people over that fit in the kitchen.
I agree that they all seem off though.
Don’t get me wrong, I think this family is dubious and LE did a crappy job but cleaning right after a party is commonplace for me. I clean right after parties no matter what time it is as does my Puerto Rican family. I married an Italian man from New England with the same fabulous accent that the ppl in this case have and he and his family do the same so it’s not just me and we are from opposite sides of the country.
@sleepyjavanlangur right?
It was only a few people over. Not much more than usual for their family dinner. So, tidying the kitchen before bed or even while still partying. It sounded like they were just sitting around the kitchen table visiting. Not having a major house party.
IT? Never ever ever have I called any of my furbabies, fish etc IT. "the dog". So odd. I don't even call stray mice "it"
Loved the dog, 7 years and called her "it" it's just weird. Also lied that Chloe was a reactive biter. 4 months after Officer O'Keffe dies she's rehomed?
@@itsjust_Lisa this whole trial is so frustrating. And I totally disagree with kicking that reporter out. Especially after hearing some of the hoops he had to go through to even get in. I don't know the whole story on that though so I may change my mind. I've never seen a trial like this where the family is so close to the defendent or at least not to the side of them. Nor no grounds or a judge that stops mid answer. It's weird and uncomfortable.
@@dawnijomo1799 the shenanigans outside of this trial with the journalist are unbelievable. It feels like a smoke screen somehow. The ruling seems very unfair, how exactly do those big men, one a retired officer, feel intimidated by a journalist? It's a bit ridiculous. 2 weeks in and the prosecution haven't convinced me the Albert's are innocent (which seems to be what they're pushing) and they certainly haven't shown me any evidence Karen Read hit Officer O'Keffe with her car. I've watched a lot of true crime and CSI stuff, if the snow just started at 12ish, Karen hit him at 12.45. They all left the party by the front of the house by 2am yet saw no body on the lawn. Officer O'Keffe was found on compressed snow and not on the grass? I just can't make that make sense in my brain?
I love the idea of "stray mice." Like all the mice should be adopted lol
Right they’re all just tiny babies in this house from the cats to the 10lb pom to the Rottweilers although the Pom gets called troll or other names at times cus she’s a BULLY to the large babies lol 😂 but never “IT”
Forget "reasonable doubt" the prosecution's own case casts an *unreasonable* amount of doubt. Extreme doubt!
These women look haggard and worn.
ALL THE DOUBT!! 🎯
Honestly, it's like a bunch of drunk frat boys went to an escape room, and they told them they had to process a crime scene with only what they had with them. "Quick, get the beer pong cups!" This is ridiculous. I lost it at leaf blower, and, "We improvised." The Stop and Shop bag was just the icing. This was absolutely botched from the beginning, to the point where I can't help but believe it was intentional.
😂
This is strangely specific and accurate. 😂😂
I lost my shit at the Stop & Shop bag. I still can’t get over that stupidity.
Quick note about dogs from my experience: if there was that much activity going on outside, there's no way my dogs could ever have been calm and quiet.
I live directly next door to my local fire department. My dogs are so used to the activity, but still react every time!
@@monkeybizz-151 my dogs react to the garbage truck every Monday.
I do not know one dog that isn’t dead that doesn’t react to sirens or people screaming outside the house!!
My mums dog literally never barks , although my dogs bark at everything
How in the Boston Baked Beans did these people not wake up or not know police were at their house before someone burst in there room 👀
They had been drinking, and to be fair the body seems to have been a lot farther from the house than it initially seemed.
1. They were drunk
2. Snow makes everything quieter
3. Have you heard how common sirens are in this area? lol
Yep late night and snow. Agree. We wouldn’t either in Seattle. But but but…my dogs would be barking. Guarding their perimeter you know. And then we would have leapt out of bed. Both Chihuahua mixes so they love barking 🤣
@@itsallmyfault264 the sirens you’re hearing are at the court house, not at the home.
Also police lights all over? It just seems weird
😂😂 Boston baked beans 😂😂😂. Now I will say, as a New Yorker but like out in farmland suburbs in upstate, I've seen police pull over cars in front of my house, we watch out the windows, but don't go out. I've seen cops called to neighbors houses, or ambulances and firetrucks, we watch, but don't go out. We're just nosey Nellies with nothing to contribute. If police came knocking at our door we would answer. I don't know what I'd do if firetrucks, ambulance, police cruisers, and a wailing woman were outside my house at 6:30 in the morning for a few hours, I might at some point pop out to offer coffee or something if it's the middle of a blizzard. But I can definitely see not wanting to be a nosey busybody or contaminate a crime scene. BUT, if I or my spouse was a police officer and or I knew it was my friend firefighter or paramedic I might pop out to say hey, wow, what's going on, can I do anything to help or do you want me out of the way?? And I keep thinking about the police scanner, like don't the older ppl have those in their house? Or is that tech not used anymore? But if you're out drinking and staying up till 2am then maybe you sleep through lights, although I'm not sure sleeping through Karen's wailing
The Albert family strikes me as off…they recall only what’s convenient for them
I want to see a demonstrative in Defense closing that shows the family tree/relationship web among all the witnesses (except, perhaps, any scientific or expert testimony), the decedent, and Karen Read. Her lack of connection will stick out like a sore thumb.
My best friend once called me in the middle of the day while I was at work. I went somewhere to immediately call her back cause I knew she knew my work schedule. Then I ran to my boss and told them I was leaving early due to a family emergency. My bestie's dad and boyfriend were arguing on her lawn and were close to blows and she was scared. I sped to her house to break up the fight.
There is no fucking way my best friend calls me a 5:55am and me not call her back to make sure she is okay.
That early in the morning I might sleep through my phone, but the SECOND I see that missed call she is getting a phone call.
True. But I’ve also been known not to check my phone for messages. Not everyone does this regularly
But she said she saw the call, when she woke up. Message or not I immediately call back to see if something is wrong. That's what I personally would do
My friends and I typically text so any phone call from them I'm answering. A phone call that comes through in the middle of the night and I miss it? As soon as I see it I'm calling them back if they don't answer after multiple tries I'm getting in my car and driving over there while calling her boyfriend, her parents and her sister just everybody. Basically I don't trust anyone who seems that unbothered by missing a call from a best friend in the middle of the night
@@apriljoy1094- Let’s not forget, when she went over to her brother-in-law’s house. Jen McCabe was there. Her car was literally parked at their house. Somehow Julie Albert didn’t think to talk to her after receiving a call from her at 5:55 AM. Somehow Jen is at her brother-in-law’s house but they didn’t talk? I don’t buy that for a second.
Everyone deserves a friend like you ❤
Since he was a police officer, I am very surprised there weren't cameras all over that house!
Why would she leave donuts in the car? They would be frozen.
Why 6? Why not get the dozen?
@@LeannaMurphy-mx7zybecause she likes her nephew enough to drive out in a snowstorm to give him frozen donuts but not enough to make it super special, ie, make it a baker's dozen and hand them off warm and soft?
Must be a thing in their town.
and the coffee? brian albert said she brought coffee and donuts multiple times
I heard someone say that the CW has made SLED look like a good investigation team. Lol.
Lol I love when Emily goes feral (that moment when Lawley asks if there is a question and Emily loses her mind) 😂❤
Trooper Bukake makes appearance at 29:20 Emily's reaction is priceless 😂
Oh it woke me right up too! I hadn’t even had coffee yet 😂 freakin priceless.
Priceless. “Trooper what now?”
Omg the best
🤣 Who did she mean to say?
I LOL every time I think of this. I sure hope we get to hear from him
It’s so nice to see Karen smiling. It’s seeing the truth set someone free. This is just unbelievable.
I keep thinking about all the testimony about how this local PD doesn't process murder scenes. Do they not process any other crime scenes that don't involve murder? I imagine they deal with robberies and assaults and other things that might require the collection of evidence, including blood/DNA/finger prints, but they have made multiple statements that they didn't know the procedure for collecting evidence. They also said that they didn't have any of the items that you would use to collect evidence at their station. This is making my brain cave in. It also makes me feel that based solely on the mishandling of the evidence there is no case here.
Right!?! This is mind boggling. 🤦♀️
This is a good point. Just cause you don't deal with murder doesn't mean you shouldn't know how to process evidence and control a crime scene.
Replay crew here. Thanks for covering this. I'm only watching you and Runkle for this case. I am also staying away from all extra input on this case as well. This includes staying out of chat as much as I can & not reading comments.
Oooh the Emily snark is top class in this vid. Living for it.
If Higgins parked out by the curb, how did he not see John??? He would have been in the snow by the time Higgins left if we believe the states theory. Sooooooo 🤔🤔🤔
It wouldn’t have made any sense for Karen to stop on the side of water hydrant, coming from the ‘waterfall’…
@soude85, could she have overshot it not knowing the area & and didn't want to back up, so he just jumped out? Doesn't explain why she then backed up into him 🤷🏼♀️
because he wasn't looking lol
@@moniqued9715 you're walking to your car, it's dark out and there's white snow everywhere... How do you NOT see a 6 ft tall, 200 lb man laying on the ground in the yard of the house you're parked next to?
It's like you're saying people can only notice something if they're looking for it.
Yanetti deserves some kind of monument to professionalism constructed for him for holding his decorum together after she said Trooper Bukkake. I would not have been able to do that.
Maybe just an innocent soul 😂
EMILY!! You're the best!! Thank you for all you do for our society and for taking so much time to explain everything.
You have no idea how much I appreciated you calling the motion to exclude a journalist a "side quest" lmao!!
I have a tiny hot dog and he goes nuts if there is a bird outside - and - if he hears car in driveway - how was dog not barking with all the emergency vehicles outside?
One of the many good logical questions Lally should have asked himself before this joke of a trial
lol I have two dachshunds and, to be fair, their breed is notorious for barking at anything and everything. lol but I agree - no way would a dog not have lost its mind over all of that activity.
Idk I’ve had dogs who barked at everything and others who don’t. You can also train dogs to not bark (results may vary lol). Lally should have asked what the dogs usual behavior was.
Especially a German shepherd who are very protective of their family pack. The dog would have been going nuts
I'm from England, but my phone records all unanswered calls as missed calls - including those that go to voicemail, and those i actively decline
Same with AT&T here in Seattle.
Yeah I think my carrier/phone does the same. I also use Google screening service, don't know what that shows up as... Actually I think it shows up separate.
Hold that thought. Although it’s going to take a while to get to the defense at this point, those phone calls come into play.
There’s a federal investigation as well and they are able to get much more information. So, apparently calls were picked up and the answer changes to butt dials.
I won’t spoil. I’ll leave it there, but guarantee you’ll have a chuckle.
EDB Its a blast to watch you and Runkle Your humor makes my day
EDB to Lally- “Sir have you met you!?!” 😂
OMG how would you be able to keep from laughing if you were actually a lawyer in this court? I just realized I'd be a bad lawyer because I'd probably be crying with laughter and it's not the cop's fault what his last name is. lmao
Every time I hear "Lally," I catch myself singing "Lally Lally, We Likes To Party!" I also launch into "Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls" when they talk about the Waterfall Bar!
And so far, none of the Alberts seem to be able to pronounce the word "Recollection."
"We don't cause trouble, we don't bother nobody!" 😂
It doesn't seem that Lolly say Odalally Odalally golly hat a day, when he could say, what a day.
If the dog was in the bedroom with them, wouldn't she have heard everyone outside?!
Also, I'm not sure I'd fancy my chances bursting into an owners bedroom with a German shepherd inside 🙈
Right? My dog isn't a terrible barker, but even with people he knows and loves, he barks enough to get our attention. The puppy is still learning, so he barks more. Neither are guardian breeds like German shepherds that would be far more likely to alert and wake them up long before Jen bursts into an adult couple's bedroom 😬😬
I remember was I was like 5 and my parents car was being stolen by a group of men. My German Shepard Zoe at the time came and woke only me up rather quietly too and got me to follow her to the window in the front room and I sat and watched these men steal my parents car and she was trying to get me to wake my parents but I was like frozen still. One of the men saw me pointed and started to come at me and my dog just sat right in front of me and then his friend another man told him to leave me and they left quickly after with the car. My German Shepard was so quiet with me the whole time it is wild to remember and my parents were shocked she didn’t wake them up and pretty bummed about that because the car was brand new and my dads dream car at the time.
So I guess it all depends on the dog and by the sound of the Alberts German Shepard Chloe, it would have definitely made at least a bit of a fuss having all those strangers on their lawn when she apparently doesn’t do well with strangers.
ooo, the dog. That is a good point. The dog would have been going nuts.
You are so right. My dog makes a huge racket when she knows people are outside.
I have 5 sisters. There’s NO WAY IN HELL I would “burst” into any of their bedrooms for any reason. EVER. pound on their bedroom door, yes but I would never just go in the room. I’m doubtful this even happened. This is not credible testimony at all
67 calls in a 7 month period is about 10 times the amount of phone calls I would make in that time amongst all of the people I know combined. I'm constantly texting ppl on a daily basis though, interesting how people put vastly different meanings to the same word "very rarely" to me is like once every other month or less.
Hi EDB/Mods,
Long time listener, first time commenter & proud member of the neurdivergent sect of the replay crew o7. As only the second trial I've been current on, I have a unique opportunity to share that I am not a person who tends to read or participate in Chat™ (respect, tho) or much social media and I have been very successful at avoiding whatever all this 'out of court' info is. I want to both appreciate your commitment to cover this case from a juror's perspective, and give feedback that my understanding of the case has not yet been "tainted" by outside information. For whatever my-and others with similar perspectives-vote is worth, it has been effective for me and I have benefited from it. I am petitioning that we be considered, as you weigh the diverse perspectives and opinions of the whole Law Nerd community.
Hopefully this finds someone and can be useful in some way.
Regaaaads,
-Matt
If someone was dead on my front lawn cops would not wait a few days to interview my family they would take us in to the station right then and there on what planet is it ok that the the home owners and everyone inside are not brought in to be properly investigated ooooo thate right if the home owner is a cop
I have rewatched this a million times. All my kids are voting with hubs and me this day.
Huzzah!
The mom never leaves.
"Very Rarely" Is how often I talk to my mother on the phone, which is like once every 3 months. Averaging more than 2 calls a week within a 7ish month period is OFTEN AS FUCK for me. I don't talk to anyone that often over the phone. I talk via text. With everyone. Like, that is a LOT of calls for that period of time.
2 days a week on the phone is not “very rarely” by anyone’s standards! Especially in 2024.
I'd go as far as to say that's regularly lol. I speak to my best friend probably about a dozen times a week, and that's probably excessive by most people's standards, we don't get to spend much actual time together due to us both having SEN kids, so we regularly have stuff to talk through on the phone. So compared to that it seems a lot less but either way its certainly regular
She is hiding and lying which causes her to fight against being agreeable in any way Which causes her to make mistakes. She could have compared very rarely 'as compared' to text. So mostly text abs very rarely in comparison on the phone which would imply they text A FUCK TON. So they are very close. Which is strange because she fights against how close they are in the same testimony!
Replay crew here. This drink in Nicole Albert's hand goes to show how "close the community is" Mass.. has very strict rules and at least 2 people left with drinks.
I was thinking about the glass John had - if Karen did take it from the other bar, maybe he was grabbing it when they left to return it there next time. Unless both bars had the same glasses and picked hers up and didn't notice. Maybe that was her last drink so it was the same glass.
WA too but people do stroll out with their glasses. Naughty GenX behavior because we don’t care. ( I know Off JoK and KR are younger)
Witnesses said she hid it under her jacket. I doubt staff at either bar allowed her to take it out/bring it in but simply didn’t see.
Why are people acting like a highball glass is only exclusive to one bar, the waterfall bar? I found it strange that witnesses “just knew” a simple highball glass came from the waterfall when it’s so common. Did it say “waterfall bar” on it? If you’re drinking alcohol, you’re most likely also drinking water too. I’m sure more than one person was given a highball glass for water.
Anyone notice how the prosecution lawyer only was rude and interrupted like " is there a question " when a woman was at the podium?
Replay crew here. Cracking up over you time stamping your rant, can't wait to get there 🤣🤣
Hang on… Why did Jen McCabe called Julie Albert at 5.55, but Nicole Albert at 6.07 and 6.08? What time did Karen and her friends find JOK? Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the CW would give us a clue?
Great question - maybe to see if he was crashed on their couch? At that PT they were looking for him
I think the call to the police was at 6:08.
Well Sarah and Julie are friends of Brian. Brian is the son of Brian and Nicole. Nicole is the sister of Jen, who is married to Matt. Jen is the aunt of Brian. That’s why she likes to get him frozen Donuts (allegedly). Julie is the wife of Chris and the sister in law of Brian. Julie is the aunt of Brian. So both Jen and Julie are aunts of Brian. Brian is also not related to anyone. ….. feels like one of those tricky exams back in High School 😂
@@SaraBlu but if they were all travelling on trains heading to California going at 60km/h would any of them remember why they were going there?
@@ninjalokust I dunno. Was it snowing?
I cannot believe her husband immediately got in bed when he got home. He had been drinking alcohol (which is a diuretic), and, at minimum, he would have needed to go to the bathroom.
Maybe he left some yellow snow on the way home. LOL
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@@debbysalmon2498 well then that would’ve added to the minutes that he claimed it took him to get home
Pretty sure the previous day she testified he DID go to the bathroom before bed 🤷🏻♀️
@@tartnouveau3652 yes she did. How convenient change 🤔 definitely did not talk with the husband...
Never ever referred to a pet as it. Not even my hamster.
Miss Nicole Alberts seemed so believable until ol Defense come up on Cross, then its so so off just feeling like shes holding back a whole lot, just like almost everyone else smh
blood pools in the eyes when there is a head injury. I showed the photos to my son in law who is a neurosurgeon.
Does that mean it would be normal for there to be such a little amount of blood on the snow? If that is where he was when the injuries occurred?
There's been no mention yet of the wound to the back of Officer O'Keffe's head and that he'd lost 3 pints of blood. I'm hoping that's covered in the ME's testimony.
Blood doesn’t always pool in the eyes after head injuries, just certain ones.
Remember his brother testified that he noticed how unusually huge JO'K eyes were in the hospital bed, like massive golf balls he said 🤷🏻♀️
I wish it was like in the Murdaugh trial where they had multiple cameras. I would have LOVED to see Yanetti's expression when she said Trooper B.
EDB - pet owner of many, many pets.. i may sometimes refer to one of them as a "Sh!t".. but never just an "it"! 😂😂😂
Hahha same
Why can’t they show a homeowner a floor plan and ask them to verify it and admit it into evidence?
Replay crew here.. Emily said don't google, I googled, I wish I hadn't googled... at least I didn't look at pics but I learned a new word... now I know there is a name for it....
There is a significant amount of snow remaining after John's body is moved. How? Why?
If John was (1) just in a-presumably warm-car, (2) had a regular body temperature otherwise, (3) had been drinking-causing vasodilation-all evening, and (4) there was only a dusting of snow on the ground at the time he was-allegedly-hit and landed on the front yard, why wasn't there a John-sized grassy spot after his body was moved?
My thoughts exactly 💯
A leaf blower was used to remove snow. Not sure the pics were taken before, or after. 🤷🏼♂️
Yep!
If he was hit by Karen reed, he was likely in the road and then pushed into the yard by a plow...
@itsallmyfault Plow didn’t come through until 2:30 am and several cars left from the house before that time. Can’t fathom how a body in the road wouldn’t have been seen.
EDB, you had me laughing. I, too, am originally from California. Now living in Clarksville, TN. Here, we did get the hail. Golf ball size. 2 chunks filled the whiskey glass. And yes, the wasps are different. The ones in Cali are straight thugs. They need no reason to attack, they just come at you for no apparent reason. And then their whole nest buddies come to join in. The red ones here are not at all the same. They try to ignore us and have yet to come at us. Even when taking out their nests. But hearing you speak of all that brought back funny wasp trauma memories. Thank you for the continuous laughs!😂
Felt like I was in middle school again after having to google “meaning of bukkake” 😂
I can’t even understand how this even got to trial. So far I can’t see ANY justice for anyone and their families!
How did Karen back into him over there if she was dropping him off?
Right?
We had a snowstorm last week and my 30-year-old son texted to let me know he got home okay. So no it never goes away.
I’m surprised no one in that neighborhood has Ring cameras
It’s a safe area where you can leave your door and car unlocked.
@@apriljoy1094 there's a lot of LE all living on the same street, is that a usual thing? Officer O'Keffe had ring doorbell?
Some did some are cops too
Nicole Albert said she didn’t hear the ambulance nor any of the many vehicles in front of her house/bedroom window. When she denied answering her phone, she said it was only her, her husband and The DOG in her bedroom. I don’t know about your dogs but All of the ones I’ve had over the decades would have BARKED a lot…Especially at a “hysterically screaming woman” on my lawn.
In Idaho the Coroner is elected doesn't have to have medical background that's how Tammy D was declared natural death, even though the Coroner was EMT. In Australia we have the Coroner's Court, it's an appointed position they usually have legal/judicial background the ME reports to them they them, they investigate unattended deaths that are not immediately classified as suspicious.
Im still stuck on the dog attack. House full of first aid trained people and an ambulance had to be called by SOMEONE ELSE for the person their dog attacked. Was any of the first responder people living in that house in the house at accident time? Did they help the bitten woman? Did they see the attack, did they direct the 911 call? Did the Alberts just leave a woman whom their dog bit to her own devices? Are they likely to do that??
She’s dropping the donuts in the car? In a blizzard when the chances of him driving that car are slim so he won’t find them?
I don’t think anyone would consider 67 calls in 7 months “rarely” or “very rarely” That’s an average of a call every 3 days some of us don’t even talk with our family that often
I speak to my own mother on the phone like 2 or 3 times a year 😆 everything else is a text message or FB message.
30:13
Lally: "and it wasn't particularly lenghty. Correct?"
Emily: ".. that's what she said." (already dying from the Bukake comment)
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Is it just me or do all the Alberts look like nice enough people in direct, but then get angry in cross? Like they aren't just defensive, they are downright pissed off and snappy. That's what it would look like if nobody ever dared to question your family, you know?
I see what you mean, but they are being accused of killing someone, its bound to make you defensive to some extent.
To suddenly say ‘ your husband is a highly trained fighter practice fighting in bar room goof play’ would piss me off too. Because it’s so obviously BS. Imagine yourself in that position, forget court room, just at a dinner party and someone being passive aggressive.
@@marlbboro8091 He was an MMA fighter.
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@@saradf4890 it was passive aggressive when it was clearly play fighting even the defense knows that. And the rude way to address she just threw her dog away.
I think it’s the passive aggressive tone. Which they are allowed , but then having your back up is not a sign of guilt.
. I felt her tears when she was talking about rehoming. I teared up too. ( yes I find the IT a bit weird too. I use my pooch’s names or she.)
Karen wants to know what TF hapoened to her man.
Replay crew🎉 Listening on 1.5 speed and it is hilarious when EDB speaks that fast😂 love it❤
I’m rewatching and Nicole referring to Chloe over and over as “it” is p***ing me off. 😠
No shoes allowed in my house……take them off inside the door
As Emily stated previously 'good luck to you. You're going to have the day you deserve right about now.' I dedicate that statement to most of the prosecution 'witnesses?' I have lots of questions. Reminder that sometimes in life, the problems you have are self-created. Also, be mindful of who you protect because that action alone can destroy you mentally.
The Alberts family is the Murdaugh lite version of Massachusetts
So glad you are covering this and love getting your view of it.
Today I for once disagree with you about the play fighting. I agree it was just play. But as a German Shepard owner they are EXTREMELY protective and usually pick 1 person to defend over anyone else.
When my dog is having a on edge day my husband and adult son can't even hug me.
The dog also goes right for the arm and will hang off sleeves to protect mommy
If the guys were playing around someone could have gotten attacked
Why would Brian Higgins have to back out of the driveway for them to pull in? Was he there before they were?
That’s what she is saying. It doesn’t make sense as visitor to pull in someone’s driveway full of cars knowing they are going to park behind you unless you were staying the night. Makes no sense. Unless he was pulling in the driveway to turn the car around to park on the street already.
Emily to Lally: "Take ALL OFF the seats and give it a minute."
I died.😂😂 Love you, @EDB! 💜
Yesterday she said he came upstairs, went to the Bathroom and then came to bed… today she said he went right to bed. 🧐
Because he said he went straight to bed. So last night they discussed their testimony and she got her story straight
Either way it’s not a big deal. Maybe a gap of 10mins if at all. Not enough buffer for a ‘cover up’. For a cover up I would make everything a lot more air tight.
Bc that's what her husband said
@@marlbboro8091 It is given the time they're saying their son got home to clear him & how hard they're working to condense time to make that make sense.
Sus!
30:14 I’m outside lmbo watching this part about ‘Bukakke’ thank you 💯😆🤣
As a parent of all adult children with 2 living at home, they text us when they leave the destination and again when they get home so we can go to sleep and then check our phone to make sure they are safe without getting out of bed.
Holding out for a hero 🎵 Haaaaa!! Brilliant referemce EDB!!
Brian Albert knew there was a fellow Boston PD living in small town Canton and they never reached out to each other? BS!
Unless there was a reason they didn’t like each other.
Also attending a fallen officers funeral in New York but not attending the funeral of the fallen officer found in his yard SAYS EVERYTHING
@@laceyann738💯
Me in a boring 🥱 zoom meeting doing my multitasking (meaning EDB on on ear, meeting on other ear). All the sudden trooper b*k*k* “appears” in court and I spite my coffee and have a total breakdown 😂😂😂 had to disconnect from the meeting due to “wifi” issues 🤣🤣🤣
I'm sitting in our courthouse hallway, waiting for our courtroom to reopen, watching this.
We were in the middle of a pretrial conference, when the judge had to close the courtroom for a "quick" break to deal with a different matter involving a minor (a case we aren't working on) so far this quick break has been over an hour lol. At least I'm not bored. But I have people walking by and I just said "oh give me a break" 😆
Replay crew! I normally listen in my office, but my day was wild like the court’s this morning lol! It’s a good thing I caught up on a long drive this evening, because Lally’s “is there a question” comment had me yelling in my car, “stfu Lally!” And “you tell him Emily!” 😂🤷🏼♀️ definitely couldn’t have done that at work lol!
I dont think the focus on the play fighting at the bar is to imply it was a real fight. I think they're establishing that people were getting physical even if it was in fun. They're all big guys, it would be really easy for O'Keefe to get knocked down and hit his head even if they were just joking. And I've had a dog that interpreted play fights as aggresion and jumped in. I think it's laying foundation that something happening in the house might not have been hostile, it could have started as an accident.
Definitely laying a foundation.
There are people on the defense witness list that will be talking about BA’s fighting. Apparently when he has a few he starts throwing punches.
@@LeannaMurphy-mx7zy ooo
I haven't seen much on this case before the trial. Picking up this stuff out of chat is kind of exciting.
It’s a very deep rabbit hole.
As a local I first saw it on the news and thought what a tragedy.
Drinking, accident, just sad.
Fast forward a long time after and so much more came out.
I saw the autopsy photos from a hearing and that was it.
For me anyway, I couldn’t see how a vehicle did that.
Then I learned a lot more and it just kept going.
Then names I knew, and on it went.
It will be interesting if we can get past the prosecution wasting time on nothing.
Sadly, local media reported it as they had video of her backing into h. That was false.
@@LeannaMurphy-mx7zy Yeah, there is no way those injuries on his arm were caused by a car. Just none.
I am torn between seeking out all the outside details & waiting to see what comes in court lol
Something like this sounds like the most reasonable explanation. It could have been an accident in the house... if that was the case they never cared about screwing up someone's life.
So, i know it seems weird nicole didnt wake up with the cop cars and firetruck and karen screaming, but i can say from firsthand experience, some people sleep deep enough that they wouldn't hear. Im more curious as to the 2 "answered" calls. Because it doesnt say they were missed calls.. so who *did* answer?
I wonder if Chloe the dog woke up? If so wouldn't he be running around at hearing screams and commotion outside the window?
Voicemail?
@@Quiz261Grl She said no to receiving a voicemail tho
@@MissX905 dunno. Our dog barely lifts his head when we get up, so without knowing what the dog was/is like, i dont have any theorys for the dog either.
I would do anything to save my dog if he was being attacked, it’s like protecting your children.
My thoughts exactly. I understand the danger but I’m not about to stand by and let another dog attack my baby!!
I thought Brian Albert went home and went straight to bed. Now we hear he let the dog out…
Chris Albert's brother, Brian sr. is/was the dog owner. 2 different Albert brothers.
Emily, didn't Lank say it was 15/20 minutes and he didn't get past the foyer? Nicole Albert says they sat in the kitchen for 45 minutes? None of these statements were recorded or written and signed?
The guy sitting in good camera view while the discussion about the press guy- his expressions are hysterical!
The Canton police may not investigate murders but some of the same principles of investigation would apply to all crimes, like chain of custody and how to handle evidence. It seems to me, they did not really know how to do any of this. So, IMO they appear to be either extremely poorly trained, incompetent or they have manipulated all aspects of this murder.
Right? So how do they hold other crimes scenes until the other police that handle it show up?
The fact that there’s a time stamp for Trooper B is beyond me 🤣🤣🤣