Finding out that the Discovery is larger than the Enterprise E is hilarious because even with all that size, Burnam still has to share a room with Tilly.
a lot of that length is the huge warp nacelles. the actual livable space looks pretty low. on smaller ships of the fleet Ensigns would usually share quaters. the enlisted crew would be in shared rooms/ bunk area's
@@stephenramsey5585 Yorktown was a weird and cool one. Also in the weird and cool category, I do rather like the starbase design at the start of Discovery season 3.
One detail that kind of stuck out to me is that pretty much all the Federation ships we saw in the first two seasons were some variation of a saucer-and-nacelles design, and the only ships in the show that had the secondary hull were the Crossfield and Constitution classes. So... you could make the assumption that the Crossfield is so big because it’s the Federation’s first attempt at making a ship with that design configuration and they just haven’t figured out how to minimise all the technology (which could also explain why the Crossfield’s design is so blocky and angular). And then they started work on the Constitution class where they were able to refine the concept and scale it down to a more efficient size and design.
The Shenzhou and Enterprise Bridges were actually separate sets. The Shenzhou bridge itself has been reused multiple times or redressed to make other ships. There was another Starfleet ship in a Season 1 episode, which was fighting Klingons, so they used it in that. For Season 2, it became the Section 31 ship bridge and then, most recently, it became the central section of Starfleet HQ in Season 3. The Enterprise Bridge has only ever been used for the Enterprise, both on Discovery, Short Treks and the upcoming spin-off "Strange New Worlds".
One interesting bit that wasn’t in here, but revealed in Eaglemoss’s magazine that came with the XL Discovery was that the initial idea for Discovery’s defining feature wasn’t the Spore Drive, but a camouflage mode to infiltrate Klingon space: The outer ring of the saucer would detach, so the ship would be able to mimic the warp signature of a Klingon cruiser. Pretty cool idea. My personal headcanon about the segmented rings has been the ability to detach and or quarantine that segment because of all the science experiments that are on it.
The Enterprise bridge was a completely new build, even constructed on a separate soundstage on the Pinewood lot. Watch the behind the scenes featurettes on the Discovery Season 2 BluRay.
Adam, are you sure you're not a character on that holodeck? You are too awesome and funny to be real. "Computer, create a holodeck character to make Data laugh"
Thank you so much for giving credit to the XB-70 bomber. I'm so old I remember my father holding a TV Guide magazine and telling me about a new series called "Star Trek" that would soon premier on TV, and I recognized the design long time ago from the bomber itself and the early 70's series that never happened.
Actually Discovery's warp core is in Stamets' lab. It's an horizontal one like the Enterprise's from TOS. It's placed at the end of the of the room opposite to the entrence. If you google for images to 'USS Discovery warp core' it's the second search result. So one could argue, that the room with the spore chamber actually is engineering.
Despite my earnest desire to be a "good audience member" I cannot ignore that Starfleet put black boxes in every single ship for the express purpose of finding the cause is any catastrophic disaster to the ship. Then, when it happens on a vast scale (AKA "The Burn") it never occurred to the Entire Starfleet system to track down the black boxes until Burnham does it? That is stretching credulity, isn't it?
Burnham isn't the one who found the black box that had the final piece of the puzzle, it was Book. That final piece added to what was in Starfleets own records from when they gathered the black boxes. So yes, it did occur to Starfleet, and yes they just were not able to find all the pieces of a puzzle. Just watch the show and you won't have these questions.
On the size, yeah it is long but it also appears to be much flatter than other ships so while it is longer than the Enterprise E the E looks to be 4 times thicker.
so there is actually a fantastic explanation for the design differences between TOS and DIS in beta canon and it predates discovery by a loooooong time and that is all of the ships, stations, and bases of TOS era trek were basicaly designed by 1 person and that person is captain robert april the founder of the "modern" starfleet corp of engineers and first captain of the ncc 1701 enterprise. before his rise to prominence starfleet didnt really have a standardized design template and they just sort of built whatever the disjointed engineers of starfleet could come up with but the Robert came along and changed everything and created uniform design principles for all starfleet ships from that point on. the bit of fluff was created to add an in universe explanation for gene roddenberrys strict design rules for TOS, TAS, and early TNG ships and its clear that the creators of discovery took this explanation and ran with it but that still means that starfleet entirely changed the designs of their ships, stations, and outposts in about a decade so there is still that inconsistency but ya win some ya lose some
Exile Studios the flaw in this logic is that discovery was built after the enterprise so that design concept would have complied w/ tos design. I think the best explanation would be to admit that they wanted to do something different and the audience rejected it; in other words admit they fucked up.
@@MattFergusonmwfergo audience doesn't seem to uniformly reject it, though. I know I like it, even if that Phase II triangular Booty Section (that's the correct terminology, right?) is delightfully goofy. I really liked the Discovery-era Enterprise, too... after all, we already knew there were several refits before and even one during Kirk's captaincy.
For real. In canon, we have the CoE going from the NX-01 to the f'n Daedalus class, and tempering back to the Soyuz, Dreadnought, Enterprise, Federation, and Constitution classes... not to mention Crossfield.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated you do have a point about it not being uniformly rejected, it does have its fans. I do wish there could be a poll or something to gage the popularity of the series w/ the fans. My gut instinct says it’s not well received
Up until the '80s, when it came to ship sets, they had the excuse that they were doing a teleplay, with everything that goes along with that. But since the '80s, we've been in a position where we could produce plausible sets. Paramount/CBS need to take the right lessons from Babylon 5: make your sets as flexible as possible, and have a good excuse for saminess.
Star Trek as a whole should have (and in a couple of cases, did) steal ideas from Babylon 5. One of these was the overarching storyline, something that B5 had from the start, but that you don't see in Star Trek until DS-9, when it crops up around season...3?...when Rick Berman leaves and the new showrunners can actually start implementing changes to the narrative, turning DS-9 from a variation of the 'alien of the week' formula of TOS and TNG to a more arc-based system that B5 used to great effect.
To be fair. It would make sense for a large fleet to standardize ship designs. It already happens in the real world. I dont see why they couldn't do it in star trek either
The Discovery Bridge Set and Shensu Bridge Sets were different sets all together. The Shensu Bridge set was redressed to become the Bridge Set for the Section 31 Ship in Season 2. Their is a time lapse video of how they opened up the middle to make the downstairs area. * Remember, they had that Netflix money for season 1.
Well, similar bridges make sense in the real world too. You would have to expect some standardization in building a massive fleet. I imagine the bridges of many naval vessels look alike.
I think we need to have at least like 1 “lower decks” esque episode per season about the experiments that aren’t front and center. And the first can be Linus.
Umm, I’m pretty sure there are three different bridge sets on Discovery: The Discovery itself, which was also used for the Zheng He (sp?) in Star Trek Picard. The Shenzhou set, which was reused for the Mirror Shenzhou obviously as well as the Section 31 ship in season two as well as the new Federation HQ in season 3. And the Discoprise set, which they put a lot of effort in knowing they could reuse it for Strange New Worlds.
USS Lantree will be number 1 on spookiest SF-ships on my list. Here a few more. Please feel free to add ;) - crashed USS Voyager - USS Pegasus - USS Stargazer - USS Yosemite - USS Constellation
About the size of the ship, remember, we can postulate that the flat bits of the nacel pylons mostly contain the mushroom blooms for the new propulsion.
I it when you do these videos... Sorry to the other guys... But your humor and timing is just so spot on.... And yes, as an American, I very much want to hear a man with from the north talk... Cause any accent from the UK is sexy.
As for #6 7:10 the process of reusing and repurposing the same set pieces for different ships has been done in EVERY ST series and EVERY ST movie as well. To make new sets for every ship would make production costs so high that none of the shows could get made
So good. Just watching you is entertaining even when you’ve lost me in Trekkie nerdiness. How do you do all that word perfect with no prompt! Brilliant
The fact that so much of Discovery's technology was so advanced, even by Next Generation standards, PADDs, Free-floating holographic displays, children's toys that made hard light objects, etc and that they had such a culturally diverse crew including a cyborg, people with implementations and multiple alien races made it very hard for me to get into the first season of Discovery as an in cannon pre-Kirk and Spock show. Good writing finally won out but most of that first season was me scoffing at "Well, they wouldn't have had that, or that or that..."
TOS was the most advanced it could be done at the time. Even Axanar was made like the most Advanced it could be done. You know they are going to straight re make the OS.
@@valentinramos8264 My point is that I believed that the NX Enterprise was a ship that came before Kirk's Enterprise. They made that level of technology believable. And even for the 60's, it's not that hard to imagine the NCC Enterprise was possible, in four centuries. But the things on Discovery, not the spore drive, but the displays the general daily technology is advanced far beyond the LCARS of TNG. That's my problem with it. It doesn't fit between the two Enterprises.
It is the warp core and it is the engine room. They've said that it was early in the first season and they would seal that door before going to black alert. It was the shows attempt to connect the design to tos
@@MattFergusonmwfergo Plus, the fact that their chief engineer spends all his time there also indicates that it's engineering. Even if he was only there to be the tardihumangrade, who then is running the actual engineering? .... hmm, probably Tilly.
You know how the saucer section spins around when they use the spore drive? I wonder if crew in that area get flung around. Or what happens if you’re in the junction between the saucer section and the neck. Do those people get disoriented?
Somebody didn't do their research properly... it's only the corridors that are reused between different ships, the bridge sets for the Enterprise, Shenzou (used briefly for Gagarin) and Discovery (used for Riker cameo) are all completely different sets. The Shenzou bridge was rebuilt as the Section 31 bridge for season 2.
Could we get an episode that explains the appearance of the Klingons in Discovery? shouldn't all Klingons in the era still be under the affects of the retro virus? Also how about a vid recap of the Starfleet uniforms through the canon timeline. 💙 this channel, keep up the great content
boxtym the series doesn't have an in show explanation that was mentioned on screen. Bryan Fuller wanted the bald Klingons and it was shit; felt like they were trying to do a game of thrones design cue and there was huge backlash. I really think we won't see Klingons again on this show, definitely not this season
you forget.. the glenn was the most horrific ship because of its last "spinout" with its spore drive, everyone of the crew came back inside out which was AWFUL to see, should have been in your horrific moments episode, but I agree as a longtime starship modeler both cg and polystyrene your video was perfect to the details no one asks about! love the show keep up the good work
I love Adam and his honesty. Even he can't really hide his contempt at this wafer thin topic. He makes it enjoyable nonetheless. Although what is ooomarrrg 🤣
Another great and well researched video... please, please, please do Terok Nor / Deep Space Nine. And please make that Phase II video, this is the second time you’ve dangled that carrot I think. The long the duration the better. WANT. xx
Love your video! A lot of things I didn’t know, some I disagree with or ignore because I don’t like them (haha!) but altogether very entertaining! Plus your jokes are hilarious!
When Adam was talking about CBS started to talk about the ship jumping around and stuff. And then he discussed the Crossfield Class he might have slipped in that it was Timey Whimey
So Adam, what you’re saying is the USS Discovery is so large because it is literally nothing more than a super advanced test bed for starfleet and the federation in the research and development for new technolgies?
Why is the length of a ship the only thing we ever pay attention to? Discovery has ~15 decks. Half the length is nacelle. Enterprise D is 42 decks. It's wide. The two are not in the same weight category.
The cancelled XB-70 Valkyrie was meant to go to Mach 3+. Too bad it was never actually deployed, but its nice to know it influenced the final design of the Discovery.
I remember people complaining about the look of Star Trek Enterprise. Both shows have that modern look and then try and say the look in the original series is more " futuristic ". They had the same issues with the Star Wars prequels.
Really want you guys to do a episode on the family relationships? The delta flyer (yes I know it's a runaround) How about bookers ship??? And why are the uniforms not being changed for the crew of the discovery?
Re: size, I figured that the wings (since there aren't pylons I guess) to the nacelles might be solid material. Who knows what kind of carbon nanotube structure is optimal for warp and spore drives. I also figured that since it has to be able to flip very quickly, in more than 4 dimensions, in 2 universes at a time, the simpler the geometry the better. So a lot of it might be either solid or just cavities/porous material that doesn't bend. Or acts as a kind of transwarp Faraday cage. Or whatnot.
Reusabily is a way to keep costs down. One offs need to be avoided. The Enterprise in the Final Frontier had 78 plus decks. Remember the elevator scene? It didn't really bother me, but 78+ decks is huge.
First time to eye this behemoth, never watched the series, but the bronze hue was one of the first things I noticed in this video. I figured the person(s) responsible for the ship's design was just a Steampunker from the way the ship looked in general - the rotating, wheel-like saucer section in particular. Also (and probably about to get myself run out of town for this one), when I saw the layout of the hull my first thought was "proto-Voyager?" but they really aren't that similar after comparing their hulls. I guess it was just V's really long saucer that tricked my mind that way.
Finding out that the Discovery is larger than the Enterprise E is hilarious because even with all that size, Burnam still has to share a room with Tilly.
And still has to do about fifteen roles. She's the diplomat, the warrior, first officer, scientist, head baker etc.
a lot of that length is the huge warp nacelles. the actual livable space looks pretty low. on smaller ships of the fleet Ensigns would usually share quaters. the enlisted crew would be in shared rooms/ bunk area's
Ah, but when you consider that 90% of the interior is turbolift shaft, there isn't that much usable space left.
@@charlesajones77 seeing that scene was shocking.
Fascinating
I’d like to know about Star Trek’s Star Bases
Yes! I _love_ those giant mushrooms. Also the ones that are literally just some little Starfleet town on a planet are pretty cool.
First thing to know . . . it's a compound word.
Ooooh, Yorktown
@@stephenramsey5585 Yorktown was a weird and cool one. Also in the weird and cool category, I do rather like the starbase design at the start of Discovery season 3.
Indeed
One detail that kind of stuck out to me is that pretty much all the Federation ships we saw in the first two seasons were some variation of a saucer-and-nacelles design, and the only ships in the show that had the secondary hull were the Crossfield and Constitution classes.
So... you could make the assumption that the Crossfield is so big because it’s the Federation’s first attempt at making a ship with that design configuration and they just haven’t figured out how to minimise all the technology (which could also explain why the Crossfield’s design is so blocky and angular). And then they started work on the Constitution class where they were able to refine the concept and scale it down to a more efficient size and design.
"U.S.S. Riker's Erection" _needs_ to be canon. NX-96069.
@Somme Tinonme excellent work, lieutenant. Carry on, and merry Christmas!
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The Shenzhou and Enterprise Bridges were actually separate sets. The Shenzhou bridge itself has been reused multiple times or redressed to make other ships. There was another Starfleet ship in a Season 1 episode, which was fighting Klingons, so they used it in that. For Season 2, it became the Section 31 ship bridge and then, most recently, it became the central section of Starfleet HQ in Season 3. The Enterprise Bridge has only ever been used for the Enterprise, both on Discovery, Short Treks and the upcoming spin-off "Strange New Worlds".
One interesting bit that wasn’t in here, but revealed in Eaglemoss’s magazine that came with the XL Discovery was that the initial idea for Discovery’s defining feature wasn’t the Spore Drive, but a camouflage mode to infiltrate Klingon space:
The outer ring of the saucer would detach, so the ship would be able to mimic the warp signature of a Klingon cruiser.
Pretty cool idea. My personal headcanon about the segmented rings has been the ability to detach and or quarantine that segment because of all the science experiments that are on it.
The Enterprise bridge was a completely new build, even constructed on a separate soundstage on the Pinewood lot. Watch the behind the scenes featurettes on the Discovery Season 2 BluRay.
I was going to say the same thing. Also the Shenzhou bridge became the the bridge of the second 31 ship. They were not all the same set
Star trek uss doesn't sense 😊
I love the old uss discovery 😊
Your comedic delivery was absolutely on point in this video hahaha, I'd love to see some videoes about Earth Spacedock/Starbase 1
Adam, are you sure you're not a character on that holodeck? You are too awesome and funny to be real. "Computer, create a holodeck character to make Data laugh"
Thank you so much for giving credit to the XB-70 bomber. I'm so old I remember my father holding a TV Guide magazine and telling me about a new series called "Star Trek" that would soon premier on TV, and I recognized the design long time ago from the bomber itself and the early 70's series that never happened.
Actually Discovery's warp core is in Stamets' lab. It's an horizontal one like the Enterprise's from TOS. It's placed at the end of the of the room opposite to the entrence. If you google for images to 'USS Discovery warp core' it's the second search result.
So one could argue, that the room with the spore chamber actually is engineering.
Jett Reno comes in there from engineering multiple times, so no that isn't the engineering hub.
the image of the warp core is in the video itself
I'd love to see more about Book's ship the Nautilus and its capabilities.
To me, I feel that his ship is giving off “Delta Flyer” vibes. Idk
Yes!!
Despite my earnest desire to be a "good audience member" I cannot ignore that Starfleet put black boxes in every single ship for the express purpose of finding the cause is any catastrophic disaster to the ship. Then, when it happens on a vast scale (AKA "The Burn") it never occurred to the Entire Starfleet system to track down the black boxes until Burnham does it? That is stretching credulity, isn't it?
Burnham isn't the one who found the black box that had the final piece of the puzzle, it was Book. That final piece added to what was in Starfleets own records from when they gathered the black boxes. So yes, it did occur to Starfleet, and yes they just were not able to find all the pieces of a puzzle.
Just watch the show and you won't have these questions.
all vessels would have recordings as default for improvement and analysis and for accident investigation.
Tbf, Starfleet probably had other things to worry about after the Burn than to hunt down black boxes.
@@leDespicable no. its just bad writing.
@@LePedant even a Tesla car records massive amounts of data
On the size, yeah it is long but it also appears to be much flatter than other ships so while it is longer than the Enterprise E the E looks to be 4 times thicker.
There also seems to be a ton of empty space inside the Discovery when they have exterior shots of the turbolifts.
so there is actually a fantastic explanation for the design differences between TOS and DIS in beta canon and it predates discovery by a loooooong time and that is all of the ships, stations, and bases of TOS era trek were basicaly designed by 1 person and that person is captain robert april the founder of the "modern" starfleet corp of engineers and first captain of the ncc 1701 enterprise. before his rise to prominence starfleet didnt really have a standardized design template and they just sort of built whatever the disjointed engineers of starfleet could come up with but the Robert came along and changed everything and created uniform design principles for all starfleet ships from that point on. the bit of fluff was created to add an in universe explanation for gene roddenberrys strict design rules for TOS, TAS, and early TNG ships and its clear that the creators of discovery took this explanation and ran with it but that still means that starfleet entirely changed the designs of their ships, stations, and outposts in about a decade so there is still that inconsistency but ya win some ya lose some
Exile Studios the flaw in this logic is that discovery was built after the enterprise so that design concept would have complied w/ tos design.
I think the best explanation would be to admit that they wanted to do something different and the audience rejected it; in other words admit they fucked up.
@@MattFergusonmwfergo audience doesn't seem to uniformly reject it, though. I know I like it, even if that Phase II triangular Booty Section (that's the correct terminology, right?) is delightfully goofy. I really liked the Discovery-era Enterprise, too... after all, we already knew there were several refits before and even one during Kirk's captaincy.
For real. In canon, we have the CoE going from the NX-01 to the f'n Daedalus class, and tempering back to the Soyuz, Dreadnought, Enterprise, Federation, and Constitution classes... not to mention Crossfield.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated you do have a point about it not being uniformly rejected, it does have its fans. I do wish there could be a poll or something to gage the popularity of the series w/ the fans. My gut instinct says it’s not well received
@@alecsandyr the only CoE acronym I'm aware of is "Church of England". That doesn't quite seem to fit so maybe I should ask you what you mean 😄
Miracle any work ever gets done on the Discovery. With such a small crew, a high percentage are always seen in the corridors walking around!
I rather enjoyed watching Disco's design evolve from 2016 through 2017 and it's still evolving along with each season. 🖖
The noises and gestures Adam uses to indicate the spore drive are hysterical!
Adam - "What influenced the design of Discovery apart from Starfleet design?"
Me - "Hypnodisc from Robot Wars?"
yyeeeaasss (in dave lister's voice)
All Hail Hypnodisc!
I do love Hypnodisc... But I am more of a Big Dill fan!!!
Up until the '80s, when it came to ship sets, they had the excuse that they were doing a teleplay, with everything that goes along with that. But since the '80s, we've been in a position where we could produce plausible sets. Paramount/CBS need to take the right lessons from Babylon 5: make your sets as flexible as possible, and have a good excuse for saminess.
Star Trek as a whole should have (and in a couple of cases, did) steal ideas from Babylon 5. One of these was the overarching storyline, something that B5 had from the start, but that you don't see in Star Trek until DS-9, when it crops up around season...3?...when Rick Berman leaves and the new showrunners can actually start implementing changes to the narrative, turning DS-9 from a variation of the 'alien of the week' formula of TOS and TNG to a more arc-based system that B5 used to great effect.
To be fair. It would make sense for a large fleet to standardize ship designs. It already happens in the real world. I dont see why they couldn't do it in star trek either
The Discovery Bridge Set and Shensu Bridge Sets were different sets all together.
The Shensu Bridge set was redressed to become the Bridge Set for the Section 31 Ship in Season 2. Their is a time lapse video of how they opened up the middle to make the downstairs area.
* Remember, they had that Netflix money for season 1.
Just saying I'd watch the deep dive on the video idea mentioned in #9
petition for a top 10 spooky/ghost ships list
Wish we had the 2016 teaser and Ralph Macquarie design as alternate hulls in STO.
Well, similar bridges make sense in the real world too. You would have to expect some standardization in building a massive fleet. I imagine the bridges of many naval vessels look alike.
8m so in love with discovery, I think the ship is so perfect. I love the design and color and everything.
Disco-“A” got a repaint, and those floating nacelle things, and lots more glowing blue lines.
Discovery is the best new show in a long time.
Adam is hilarious and I love him ❤
Honestly I have watched Star Trek since I was 6 (I'm 56 now) and I love the Discovery
I think we need to have at least like 1 “lower decks” esque episode per season about the experiments that aren’t front and center. And the first can be Linus.
The less I see of Lower 🤮 Decks, the better I'll feel. 🤢🤢
I hope they'll touch more on that in season 4. They really need to introduce the crew more.
At the end, it doesn't matter what the ship looks like, there will always be those who dislike and are critical of it. It happens on every show.
Yeah, it is also a great way to ignore the bad writing in this show
Umm, I’m pretty sure there are three different bridge sets on Discovery:
The Discovery itself, which was also used for the Zheng He (sp?) in Star Trek Picard.
The Shenzhou set, which was reused for the Mirror Shenzhou obviously as well as the Section 31 ship in season two as well as the new Federation HQ in season 3.
And the Discoprise set, which they put a lot of effort in knowing they could reuse it for Strange New Worlds.
I would like S4 of Discovery to be kinda like TNG, where they go around helping and exploring planets affected by the Burn.
It definitely seems that way. I feel like the ability to perform 300 different experiments is going to come in handy
I do love Clearys voice, his animated hand movements and the energy when he talks. My fave youtuber :)
It's because it's honesty. I think that shines through. He's kinda cute too.
8:56 😂
good video btw !
You could tell this was filmed midway through season three since we ended up seeing the engine room by the end LOL.
WhatCulture Holodeck. Love it!
Welcome back Adam
🖖😎👍Very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way and detail indeed 👌.
The Ships I realy want to know more about, are the JJ Enterprise Ships. You do a great Job, thank you...
Your theory about Burnham and the burn sounds way better than what we got
If you complain that the design is at odds with the designs of the time, you would have to say the same about the Defiant, only much moreso.
which Defiant?
The spore drive is cool.. but we need the eng room
Nice to see Jon Richardson doing something different, great job Jon!
I fancy Jon and I fancy Adam. I hadn't made that connection, but it makes sense
Love to see the some of the Phase two concepts.
Think about all the things we don’t know about the Ferengi marauder class!
Ya know, they always maintained that they could "stretch at the hinges" and expose additional weaponry. What a fizzle that was.
USS Lantree will be number 1 on spookiest SF-ships on my list. Here a few more. Please feel free to add ;) - crashed USS Voyager - USS Pegasus - USS Stargazer - USS Yosemite - USS Constellation
Love your perspective on this by the way guys. Doing a fantastic job :)
first contact stated the enteprise E was over 800 meters long though :S
Considering that federation ships are often modular having the bridge set modular is perfect
About the size of the ship, remember, we can postulate that the flat bits of the nacel pylons mostly contain the mushroom blooms for the new propulsion.
Or entirely empty space for turbo lifts to play in.
I it when you do these videos... Sorry to the other guys... But your humor and timing is just so spot on.... And yes, as an American, I very much want to hear a man with from the north talk... Cause any accent from the UK is sexy.
As for #6 7:10 the process of reusing and repurposing the same set pieces for different ships has been done in EVERY ST series and EVERY ST movie as well. To make new sets for every ship would make production costs so high that none of the shows could get made
So good. Just watching you is entertaining even when you’ve lost me in Trekkie nerdiness. How do you do all that word perfect with no prompt! Brilliant
Can you continue this with the upgrade they did for the 30th century
FINALLY, Back on Talking about Trek I see! Good bits to know BTW!
The fact that so much of Discovery's technology was so advanced, even by Next Generation standards, PADDs, Free-floating holographic displays, children's toys that made hard light objects, etc and that they had such a culturally diverse crew including a cyborg, people with implementations and multiple alien races made it very hard for me to get into the first season of Discovery as an in cannon pre-Kirk and Spock show. Good writing finally won out but most of that first season was me scoffing at "Well, they wouldn't have had that, or that or that..."
TOS was the most advanced it could be done at the time. Even Axanar was made like the most Advanced it could be done. You know they are going to straight re make the OS.
@@valentinramos8264 My point is that I believed that the NX Enterprise was a ship that came before Kirk's Enterprise. They made that level of technology believable. And even for the 60's, it's not that hard to imagine the NCC Enterprise was possible, in four centuries. But the things on Discovery, not the spore drive, but the displays the general daily technology is advanced far beyond the LCARS of TNG. That's my problem with it. It doesn't fit between the two Enterprises.
@@JohnWilsonComicsGuy "That's my problem with it. It doesn't fit between the two Enterprises." - 100% this.
I thought that red-light area (hah) at the far end of "Stamet's Lab" was the warp core? I think the original series had cores like that.
Yeah same
It is the warp core and it is the engine room. They've said that it was early in the first season and they would seal that door before going to black alert. It was the shows attempt to connect the design to tos
@@MattFergusonmwfergo Plus, the fact that their chief engineer spends all his time there also indicates that it's engineering. Even if he was only there to be the tardihumangrade, who then is running the actual engineering? .... hmm, probably Tilly.
@@MattFergusonmwfergo its engineering test bay alpha, not main engineering.
@@whoshotdk Stampers isn't chief engineer....
You know how the saucer section spins around when they use the spore drive? I wonder if crew in that area get flung around. Or what happens if you’re in the junction between the saucer section and the neck. Do those people get disoriented?
I"be wondered this too.
Presumably “black alert” is to give everybody a chance to get out of the connecting corridors and nail down their stuff before the spins.
Riker's ship? No no, that was the "USS Copy and Paste"
Mmmmmm, just Loo-oove Copy Pasta!! 😅 😂😂😂🤣🤣
The Akira or Steamrunner class would be interesting.
6:20 they were probably testing the waters with the fans for the design to see if it was a direction they wanted to go.
Somebody didn't do their research properly... it's only the corridors that are reused between different ships, the bridge sets for the Enterprise, Shenzou (used briefly for Gagarin) and Discovery (used for Riker cameo) are all completely different sets. The Shenzou bridge was rebuilt as the Section 31 bridge for season 2.
Could we get an episode that explains the appearance of the Klingons in Discovery? shouldn't all Klingons in the era still be under the affects of the retro virus? Also how about a vid recap of the Starfleet uniforms through the canon timeline. 💙 this channel, keep up the great content
boxtym the series doesn't have an in show explanation that was mentioned on screen. Bryan Fuller wanted the bald Klingons and it was shit; felt like they were trying to do a game of thrones design cue and there was huge backlash. I really think we won't see Klingons again on this show, definitely not this season
you forget.. the glenn was the most horrific ship because of its last "spinout" with its spore drive, everyone of the crew came back inside out which was AWFUL to see, should have been in your horrific moments episode, but I agree as a longtime starship modeler both cg and polystyrene your video was perfect to the details no one asks about! love the show keep up the good work
I love Adam and his honesty. Even he can't really hide his contempt at this wafer thin topic. He makes it enjoyable nonetheless. Although what is ooomarrrg 🤣
Another great and well researched video... please, please, please do Terok Nor / Deep Space Nine.
And please make that Phase II video, this is the second time you’ve dangled that carrot I think. The long the duration the better. WANT. xx
Well done.
Love your video! A lot of things I didn’t know, some I disagree with or ignore because I don’t like them (haha!) but altogether very entertaining! Plus your jokes are hilarious!
I'd love to see one on the K'T'inga class or the USS Reliant. Those are my favorite ships in the ST Universe.
Yes, do a video on Planet of the Titans.
When Adam was talking about CBS started to talk about the ship jumping around and stuff. And then he discussed the Crossfield Class he might have slipped in that it was Timey Whimey
So Adam, what you’re saying is the USS Discovery is so large because it is literally nothing more than a super advanced test bed for starfleet and the federation in the research and development for new technolgies?
Discovery is actually not that bad. It just gets a little to emotional sometimes.
Why is the length of a ship the only thing we ever pay attention to? Discovery has ~15 decks. Half the length is nacelle. Enterprise D is 42 decks. It's wide. The two are not in the same weight category.
The cancelled XB-70 Valkyrie was meant to go to Mach 3+. Too bad it was never actually deployed, but its nice to know it influenced the final design of the Discovery.
do you cover all seasons of Discovery? I really like you commentary!
Discovery can never return to the past otherwise Voyager would have tried a spore drive
Interested! 😝👍🏻
YES DO A VIDEO OF THAT STORY
I remember people complaining about the look of Star Trek Enterprise. Both shows have that modern look and then try and say the look in the original series is more " futuristic ". They had the same issues with the Star Wars prequels.
iconic count; only one!
Love the videos!
I believe they built a separate enterprise bridge set though .
Yes, they are separate sets. Adam misspoke. Apologies about that one. Didn't feature in the article.
Do one on the Cerritos, obviously! You are actually quite good for comedy (an honest complement, not an insult) so why not do one for laughs?
So, why does the saucer spin? How do the passage ways work between the outside saucer and the inside saucer?
Really want you guys to do a episode on the family relationships?
The delta flyer (yes I know it's a runaround)
How about bookers ship???
And why are the uniforms not being changed for the crew of the discovery?
Re: size, I figured that the wings (since there aren't pylons I guess) to the nacelles might be solid material. Who knows what kind of carbon nanotube structure is optimal for warp and spore drives. I also figured that since it has to be able to flip very quickly, in more than 4 dimensions, in 2 universes at a time, the simpler the geometry the better. So a lot of it might be either solid or just cavities/porous material that doesn't bend. Or acts as a kind of transwarp Faraday cage. Or whatnot.
I'd like too see a video about the USS Archer
Reusabily is a way to keep costs down. One offs need to be avoided.
The Enterprise in the Final Frontier had 78 plus decks. Remember the elevator scene? It didn't really bother me, but 78+ decks is huge.
First time to eye this behemoth, never watched the series, but the bronze hue was one of the first things I noticed in this video. I figured the person(s) responsible for the ship's design was just a Steampunker from the way the ship looked in general - the rotating, wheel-like saucer section in particular.
Also (and probably about to get myself run out of town for this one), when I saw the layout of the hull my first thought was "proto-Voyager?" but they really aren't that similar after comparing their hulls. I guess it was just V's really long saucer that tricked my mind that way.
I wish this series had taken place in the Kelvin timeline post beyond.
Right when he talked about James Bond underwater car I immediately turned around and looked at the model I have of it
It may be unfinished but I honestly prefer the forward facing nacelles on the earlier version than those elongated ones they decided to use.
I'd like to see you do a video on the borg cube
I'd love to see 10 secrets of the delta flyer.
The Enterprise was a new set though. They built it from scratch for Discovery season 2. They released the time lapse of its construction.
Used bronze Lotus Esprit, as a 70’s colour palette, except “For your Eyes Only” came out in 1981 !
This man got me to Sub to this channel.. and today he reminds us why.
Now I’m intrigued? I want to see the spookiest ships list now