The Enterprise F decommissioning in Picard was very awkward. You can tell it was an afterthought and was originally supposed to be commissioned, not decommissioned. They got it out of the way to make way for the ugly Titan. No decommissioned ship flies out of space dock in a big reveal.
Yep! No idea why they went with that TOS fusion aesthetic, when we had the Odyssey class so well established in beta Canon and the Luna class titan working so well, even in Lower Decks. The whole art direction in Picard's second and third season, in terms of LCARS, phasers, ships, etc., was just awful. (I really enjoyed the third season, but it was such a misfire design-wise).
Agreed! Don’t know about you but I just don’t get how or why ( in cannon) it would be necessary to decommission the F rather than change out a few systems! Plenty of examples of major overhauls having taken place and not resulting in scrapping the ship. I mean, what a waste!
@@GuitarsnCars Agreed. It really feels like "what was the point" of introducing F just to decommission it after only 13 years of service. The original, B, C, and D were all destroyed/lost at various points of service with A being the only Enterprise decommissioned until E and F (not including the NX version) and it was largely decommissioned due to the Khitomer Accords. These ships are designed with a long lifespan- heck the US Navy's most recent carrier Enterprise was just retired a few years ago after 50 years of service and I'm sure it was given several overhauls over the years. Instead of bringing back a rebuilt version of the D varient S3 of Picard should have put the focus on the E and retired it at the end of the series, and use that as the introduction of the F.
What makes it even stranger is that all they had to do was change a few lines of dialogue to make it less awkward. I'm not sure why they were insistent on the Titan-A becoming the Enterprise-G. It didn't really add much to the story and making it the USS Picard or something like that would have arguably been even more impactful.
@@QuintusAntonious Making the neo constitution a refit (or rebuild really) of the Titan didn't even make sense other than to give Riker some added tension with Shaw and give audiences a familiar name to trigger the feel good nostalgia chemicals. Someone behind the scenes clearly wanted a return to a more classic look even though it didn't fit with the way Starfleet design had been evolving and would continue to evolve. The Titan was a way sexier ship than the Titan-A and then turning it into the Enterprise-G just felt like cheap attempt at making the season's hero ship feel more important. Definitely wish they had kept and focused more on the Enterprise-F as well as the original Luna class Titan.
Sean, your statements at the end of every segment encouraging us to live in peace never fail to warm my heart. It makes my day, and it makes me tune in to every video. Thanks.
OKAY lets get this over quickly......The Dual Neck was designed to improve Slipstream Velocity, It wasn't nearly destroyed by "Shon" but by the iconians and the USS Verity was lkely a precurser design of the Odyssey using more "sovereign era technology"
Some corrections, notes, and other fun facts: 10:36 states that the Odyssey class has 32 decks, but according to an MSD render of the Enterprise-F recently released by Cryptic Studios, which was done my artist Tim Davies, it actually has 45 decks, making it even taller than the Galaxy class. 0:44 states that USS Verity's registry number was NCC-97007, but the art shows it being NCC-97000. This actually contradicted Star Trek Online's canon, which stated 97000 was USS Odyssey's number. Cryptic would later establish lore stating that Verity's number was actually 97001. This is made more confusing by the fact that STO also released a variant of the Odyssey called the Verity class as part of its 10th Anniversary bundle, the first of its line using the number NCC-97005. 2:28 The Aquarius-class auxiliary craft is compared to captains' yachts, areoshuttles, and runabouts, but it was more of a scaled down version of the Defiant class. While still being only a few decks high (we don't know exactly, but based off the MSD render I mentioned early, probably around four decks), it's equipped with phaser quad cannons and quantum torpedoes, much like the Defiant. The video also references how the Aquarius' docking port is where a shuttle bay would typically be on some past Enterprises, like the Constitution class; in STO there actually is a version of the Odyssey that features another shuttle bay back there instead of an Aquarius. It was the original free version of the Odyssey that was released as a promotion for the C-store versions that would be released a month or so after. To me this suggested the prototype for the Odyssey class didn't have the Aquarius docking port, at least not initially. You can still obtain this version of the Odyssey in STO with Fleet Credits from a ship vendor. 4:42 The Yellowstone class Runabout in Star Trek Online did take its name from the Voyager version, but visually looks quite different from the Danube class, having a design style that fits in more with STO ship design aesthetic from the time. Though, referring back to that MSD, it uses a graphics of the Danube, Argo, type-9 shuttle, worker bees, and even the Mission Scout Ship from Insurrection all docked in the F's shuttle bays. 7:24 Fun Fact: The Chimera class was just recently revamped in Star Trek Online. It looks WAY better now, in game. Cryptic actually got Jason Lee do the revamp himself. 13:50 While STO's original canon stated that the Enterprise-F was launched in 2409, I don't think they're still sticking to that. Frankly, I was kinda glad when Picard announced they were making the F older than STO original timeline. It never made sense to me that the Odyssey class would receive a major structural refit that was compared to the Constitution's refit from the early 2270's after only a year of service (even with the Iconian War). But making the Odyssey a bit older makes the Yorktown refit make more sense to me. 14:58 While Scylla and Charybdis, which released in January of 2018, was the first time the Enterprise-F had been seen in the Yorktown refit, the Yorktown itself had been a playable ship for nearly two years in Star Trek Online at this point, having been released in February of 2016 along with the two other Odyssey refit variants, Endeavour and Sojourner. 15:11 Eaglemoss released three different Enterprise-F models. The first two were bonus issues to the original Star Trek Starships Collection. The gray one pictured in the video was called the "Federation Livery" version, and only exists because Eaglemoss didn't haven't much confidence in Star Trek Online's unique black and white contrasting hull design, so they made up their own that they thought represented a more traditional look of past starships Enterprise. This gray hull version didn't exist in STO until the models were released because if you bought it, it came with a code that unlocked a special "Eaglemoss" hull material for the Odyssey that you could use in the game. The second was the actual Odyssey class that was originally featured in Star Trek Online (and later in Star Trek Picard) which Eaglemoss called the "Star Trek Online Livery" version. The Yorktown refit model that was pictured in the video was not part of the original Starships collection, but was the 15th issue of Eaglemoss' Star Trek Online Starships Collection. Even Master Replicas still gets this wrong because whenever they've gotten the Yorktown refit version in stock they still label as the STO Livery version, but there was no "Federation Livery" version of the Yorktown refit. The Odyssey class is my favorite ship in Star Trek. I was so excited to see that it was being made canon in Star Trek Picard, but so disappointed in how they handled it, decommissioning it just so they could rebrand the Titan-A.
About the Titan thing imo they should have renamed it the U.S.S. Shawn then cut to another shot right next to it have a new massive starfleet cruiser and say that that is the NCC 1701-G
The J is a colony ship-- its got all that extra space for habitat areas (kind of like the starbase in SNW). Very similar to a GSV in the Culture series. The odyssey class was meant to be a mobile starbase. Its got a massive hangar deck, and a huge bridge, and it's designed to take over as a command centre for wider fleet operations.
@kaeaja Ian M. Banks is a scottish sci-fi author. He wrote 10 novels and a few short stories set in the same universe. (The "Culture" series. The first book was called Consider Phlebas) In that series, the Culture (Basically a bunch of humans, more or less. Bipedal, two arms, eyes nose mouth, etc.) Are one of several major civilizations (loosely akin to the Federation in Star Trek, which is part of why i made the connection). They're seen as intergalactic do-gooders, but they have the tech to back it up. A GSV (general systems vehicle) is their main ship-type. They have ships designed for combat, ships designed for exploration, and ships just designed for like, normal life. People live on them. They're tens of kilometers long, with many decks, they include lots of open-air nature space (or other species might need oceans or gas-giant atmospheres, etc.) At any given time few hundred million people will be living on a ship like that, just for scale. The books are great - I highly recommend them. If you don't want to commit to the full series, i recommend book 5, Excession. It's my personal favourite and doesn't require you to know anything about the other books, so you can drop right in.
@@Thrillhou my personal favorite of the Culture books is Player Of Games, I reread it every couple of year. Use of Weapons still freaks me out when I consider the ending reveals...
I remember in STO fighting along side of the Enterprise F. That was my happiest moment playing the game. I'm sad it was being decommissioned and replaced with something weaker.
I recommend Iaputter Irratus TFO. That has the Enterprise F, the Defiant, and Voyager commanded by Janeway in the beginning together, and in continuity with the game's history. The Enterprise and Defiant both lead ships to go after Mirror Kumaarke once you force her to withdraw.@@Shapes_Quality_Control
You forgot to mention that in Star Trek Online's history, the Enterprise-E was also commanded by Captain Data after Geordi revived him in the B-4 body. Also, the E lasted until 2408, until she was destoyed by the Undine (a.k.a. Species 8472), though the causalties were minimal. Data was offered the Enterprise-F, however, he declined and even recommended Captain Shon for the job.
Picard s3 is set before in the year 2401 so there are a lot of those post stories that are no longer canon anymore. The E fate is something different now than the undine and the F is already decommissioned at end of Picard s3 too.
It's all a clusterfuck until somebody decides which story is canon and settle the argument either the creators of the Star Trek show or whoever is in charge of Star Trek online now since cryptic laid off about 5,000 employees I have a feeling our beloved Star Trek MMO is going to take a nose dive into the getting shut down forever era because of how old the game is and all the other crap that's going on nowadays. I mean honestly I think the game could benefit from a massive Overhaul and revamp with current technology and visual Aesthetics could you imagine the game running in Unreal Engine 5 or something?
I'm still a little sour that the Enterprise-F didn't get more of a moment to shine, but the fact it even made it to screen was an okay consolation prize.
Captain James T. Kirk's Constitution class USS Enterprise NCC 1701 was flagged as a Heavy Cruiser, a fact Gene Roddenberry noted in his novelization of ST: TMP. Its more fitting to refer to the Odyssey class a Dreadnought level starship. The Excelsior class was noted as a Battleship back in the 1980s in FASA's Star Trek Starship Combat Game.
FASA was always non-canon though, and there’s no reason why what’s considered a cruiser or a heavy cruiser for that matter can’t change over time, especially when it’s just size that’s changing. On the other hand if its main job is to battle other ships then battleship would be the traditional term.
Love these in-depth visits to the incarnations of the Enterprise. Also I noticed you correctly quoting the Apollo 13 incident, hopefully there are more coming to tide you over until we see the final season of Discovery and Prodigy season two.
Started playing STO back in 2012 and this was my first event ship. They really did a great job with the remaster and if you happen to play STO sometime, get the Terran Lexington. Odyssey with a phaser lance. LLAP🖖
Phaser lance and hanger bay. Also, you can put all the Odyssey consoles on it to get the Aquarius escort and the Chevron seperation. It's a beast of a ship.
I've 3d printed 2x of these ships at 40cm length each. Bloody amazing in real life. Both have removable Aquarius ships and saucer separation ability. Absolutely exquisite ships
according to the old STO lore blogs, the Enterprise E got blown up by Species 8472 (if I recall correctly, roughly around the very late 2390's - early 2400's) while it was under the command of Data. He's offered the command of the F but decides to pass it on to Shawn (who at that point just lost his ship to a temporally displaced Dominion fleet) Also if were talking about variants of the Odessy / Enterprise F, I think the Lexington is a pretty standout variant with it's big mission pod
I love ya Sean. You're good people. Between this channel and whoculture your positivity shine through. A huge part of why I started watching the stuff other than discovery and Strange New Worlds was your enthusiasm doing the picard ups and downs. I wanted to watch that too but had only seen a handful of Next Gen and the movies. I am currently in the middle of season 3 of DS9 and will be starting voyager in a couple episodes. I'm watching by air date as to have the fullest experience. I'm madly in love with deep space nine. Didn't expect that.
Honestly, they should have saved the Enterprise F for the next series. Should have just kept the E-E in service as the Sovereign class is still an incredibly powerful ship even 30 years later.
There is still Lower Decks and Prodigy where it could feature. I’d like to think that the Lower Deckers and maybe Dal and his friends could be on their way to becoming the senior staff of the Enterprise-F.
It would be featured more … just as a Museum Piece. Unless later down the line? They could Pull an Enterprise-D with her. Which could possibly happen if there was a Canonized version of the Iconian War arc following Legacy’s Seventh Season. Which would see the Destruction of the Enterprise-G saving the Galaxy from a Species 8472 invasion in 2409. The Temporarily Recommissioned Enterprise-F could be shown in the Legacy movies and would be Commanded by Seven, possibly only at the Canon version of the Battle of Midnight. I think it would be Re-Decommissioned afterwards, but would potentially see an Enterprise-H that would be a Yorktown-Class, As for Shon given the Belfast would be lost there too if it appears? He’d get the Canon USS Yorktown Prototype.
Geordi didn't make a bigger museum hoop for the D but he is DEFINITLEY going to need something bigger for the F, assuming it survived the battle with Space Dock.
1:55 I don’t think it was forgotten really, if anything in response the resources and any scrap leftover from Romulan Evacuation Fleet would be redirected into the Odyssey-Class as well as restoring the fleet, Keep in mind, in 2386, just one year after the Synth attack the Enterprise-F was Launched and Commissioned, at the time of Frontier Day, she was 15 years old. If anything the Odyssey was finished and ALSO entered service, Verity put under a New Crew, and Construction on at least 10 more, including the USS Hikaru Sulu NCC-92420, had Begun at San-Fransisco Fleetyards, where in Canon the design originated.
I love the F. The Odyssey-class is my favorite Starfleet ship design, bar none (although the D'Deridex is my favorite ship in Trek, and in fact all of science fiction). What can I say, I'm a sucker for having a gap in the middle of the ship. I do wish you'd gone a little bit into the crew of the ship under Shon, although I know that's not how you usually do these videos. The existence of Chief Engineer Kirayoshi O'Brien just makes me smile.
the Odyssey is by far the most over-hyped design. It will NEVER hold a candle to the D, or even E. It looks like a smashed bullfrog underneath a shovel. I’m so glad that Shon and O’Brien aren’t canon. It sounded all like bad Star Trek fan-fiction writing
I am a strong proponent of what Picard did with the Enterprise F. She deserved much, much more. I am also not a fan of the Enterprise G. The Titan-A should have been renamed as USS Picard. This makes much more sense and would round out the show even better than what we got.
The entire third season was nothing but a love letter to fans. Unfortunately, Star Trek has some of the most whiny, pissy fans this side of the galaxy. The G being a constitution class made it the perfect spiritual successor to be the next Enterprise. The F was an overly large, monstrosity that looked like a smashed bullfrog. I’ll leave it at this with a quote from Scotty: “The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.” He described the F’s legacy perfectly. Cry more.
@@SSPerfectChaosRCTOh, yes it is. Bringing Data back in the body of B-4 was dumb. The Picard show handled Data’s resurrection much MUCH better and that’s only one example.
@@dightonazpeitia4350 B4 had Data's memories. Nemesis established that. And the writers clearly meant for B4 to eventually become Data given that last scene. Meanwhile we get back Icheb, Ro Laren, Shelby and others just so they can die and that's okay?
@@SSPerfectChaosRCT Ok? But it was also established that despite all that because of how it was designed that it would never be Data. Data HIMSELF in the movie said that it’s systems weren’t nearly as complex being that B-4 was a sort of prototype. I mean, come on man. Did you even watch it? XD
On your comment about the Enterprise being the only Odyssey-class to exist in Picard... I'm pretty sure you can see other Odyssey-class ships in the center of most of the formations during the Fleet Formation attack on ESD.
Hey! I remember this list. Shut up, I read. I am not a particular fan of the design, although I do appreciate the F's length of service (but my goodness, 1701-nothing - forty years!). I much prefer the smaller, under-powered, outgunned, might fly apart at any moment starships like the old Constitution/Starship class. It was big for Starfleet, but everyone else seemed to have something bigger. It was the ingenuity of the crew that got them out of bad situations; the ship itself just did them the favor of not coming apart around them (mixed metaphor of the day - "Hear me, baby? Hold together.") Good list, always fun to talk about an Enterprise.
Yeah, 15 years is still quite short for a ship named Enterprise though. For reference the US Ship U.S.S. Enterprise CVN-65 was in active service for a total of 51 years before it was decommissioned. We'll see if her successor U.S.S. Enterprise CVN-80 can beat that record.
OK, this may be the nerdiest thing ever but: THANK YOU, Seán, for properly quoting Jim Lovell when saying "Houston, we've had a problem!" :) As for STO's canon vs Prime canon, I don't know if it'd be likely or if it has precedence in real life but consider this: The Titan/Enterprise-G is much smaller than the other newer Enterprises so let's assume that the F is put under Geordi's care at the museum. Because of the G's age and let's also assume temporary assignment as Enterprise-G it is decommissioned in 2407 or 2408. Then instead of designing a completely new Enterprise-H, Starfleet decides to dig out the old F and give it the upgrades shown in STO. That way, both timelines now come back in line and the F can still be under Captain Shan in 2409 and 2410 which is when STO takes place. Again, not sure if it's likely or even has happened IRL but surely it's possible?
Great video but one thing worth mentioning...there were 3 different versions of the Enterprise-F made by Eaglemoss. The Federation Livery that you mentioned. The STO livery that you mentioned but didn't show. Finally there is the Yorktown variant F that you did show. Still hunting the regular STO version myself.
As I recall, the refit NCC-1701-A only had a 3 year life since it was decomssion at the end of Undisdovered Country, which took place 3 years after Voyage Home and Final Frontier.
I have a feeling Starfleet decommissioned her thinking the A was on the verge of falling appart thanks to Scotty lying about systems failures to rescue kirk from Klingon prison and save the conference.
Well, the A was falling apart after its initial shakedown cruise at the end of The Voyage Home, and Scotty was repairing it in the beginning of Final Frontier: "Let's see what she's got, said the captain... oh and then we found out, didn't we???" LOL! @@zomfragger
Based on "pixels" of an Odyssey Class schematic (scaled to 1061 pixels in width), the Aquarius Class escort docked at the aft of the ship, is roughly 90 pixels (meters) in length. Essentially a very large "Runabout", or about half the length of a Defiant Class. Supposedly it has 3-4 decks as well, making it a very formidable support craft and a small starship in its own right.
In STO it's considered a base Tier 5 (out of 6) Light Escort ship. It's a nice little raider-style ship though it has low hull hit points meaning it's really designed for hit and run tactics. It's one of my favorite tactical ships to use in the game even if Tier 5 ships really aren't considered end-game ships any more (usable upon reaching level 50 out of 65).
@@jcohasset23 And especially since you can use Tier 6 ships as early as level 10, there's absolutely no reason to pull something like that unless you're only taking a weapon or console from it.
Regarding the STO “design the next enterprise” contest, they’re also using the designs from that contest to make other ships in the game and/or design other aspects of the ships. I submitted and my design had its saucer used in the guardian cruiser design.
Thank you for this video, I have the terran version of this ship and I really enjoy playing with it online. I also wondered what had happened in the one year between F and G becacuse I really wanted to see this ship in action more .
I love the Odyssey class so much. Takes what I love of the Sovereign and continues it! We may not see the F again, but I do hope we see another Odyssey class at some point. The G with that beautiful Neo-Constitution class is great, but Odyssey deserves more attention too!
It also doesn't really count as the C and D were both destroyed, and not decommissioned. Average lifespan of a Starfleet vessel seems to fall between 30 and 50 years, repairs and refits notwithstanding.
The Enterprise F in the Millennium trilogy was almost certainly not a Defiant class. I always got the impression that it was a much larger warship from Tom Riker describing it as "the Defiant to the tenth power" when he was telling Sisko what happened to it... and Will Riker... and Earth
Sean, a video I would love if you guys would make would be reviewing, in less detail of course, the various different ships of the various factions. Like “Updated Encyclopedia of Federation Starship Classes.” It could be an hour long for each and I think we’d all watch that, even with ads
Great video as always. Kelvin scales are bonkers for all ships…JJ needed a technical manual! Voyager and the New shows have taught not every series needs to be lead by the Enterprise. The Titian should not have been rechristened for that scene at the end of Picard. It would have enabled a new ship to carry on the name of Enterprise, as the F on screen, or a truly new ship as the G.
Yeah, I get why they rechristened the Titan as the Enterprise, but I was expecting it to be named the USS Picard. Oh well, they're never going to be able to keep everyone happy all at once.
After the incident with the USS Kelvin and subsequent arms race with the Klingons who had access to the Narada to reverse engineer, larger, more heavily powered ships that could carry out more support and evacuation duties makes sense to me in the Kelvin timeline. We also can’t discount Section 31 tinkering with designs.
JJ didn’t need a technical manual. It had to be bigger in order to look as if it belonged on the big screens and for all the hero shots. It’s just Trekkies like you have their heads too far up their own cheeks to realize that.
Assuming the F survived the final battle at the end of “Star Trek Picard”, it’d be cool if it could turn up someday at the Fleet Museum in a future Trek production *cough* Legacy!🤞
I know it is unlikely for so many reasons, but if Star Trek Legacy is a go, I'd rather the hero ship is the Enterprise-F. I strongly believe that Producer Michael Chabon made a grievous error eschewing the F in favor of the Titan-A (Sorry, but I will never call it the Enterprise. It feels too much like taking 10 steps backward, and, if you recall, the TOS Enterprise had a considerable bit of history before the era of James T. Kirk.
Wish in one hand, piss in the other see what gets full first. The G is the hero ship. It would be so dumb and chicken sh-t for the writers and creators to pull that bs when it’s already been established which ship they’ll be using. Thank God Terry won’t listen to you Trekkie cry babies
Let me correct: There are at least 5 more Odyssey Class ships in fleet formation. Also Enterpise-J might be from alternate timeline where Archer didn't destroyed Spheres and their influence expanded beyond Delphic Expanse leading to Battle of Proxima V. When he did that, the timeline was changed and we are following current prime timeline from there of.
The size of the ships is counterintuitive. They were larger because they had families and they spent more time out in space. The idea was they could go months before needing to visit a starbase. The also had every kind of laboratory & facility for science and exploration. The comparatively smaller ships were more useful in combat. Though Yar from Yesterday's Enterprise mentions the thousands of soldiers the D could hold. That would be useful if you needed to occupy a planet. Even in wartime, that's not really Star Fleets thing.
Thanks Sean! Cool stuff, Sir. Please tell me they are not going to allow Elon Musk to design the Enterprise... um, "X". Good show, folks! Live long and prosper.
I say create a show where someone steals or somehow acquires the F and it continues its adventures in another timeline or in tandem with the G. It needs recognition!
Great show. The whole Titan thing, then the premature demise of the F, the making of the titan-A into the G, it seems wholly and totally unneeded and complex, keep the Titan, Keep the F, the perceived desire to have another neo-Constitution seems wholly based on the shows producers, and very few of the fan base.
When you double the dimensions of a box, you increase its volume by eight times. That means when you double the dimensions of a ship, you could possibly increase its volume by up to eight times as well.
I must say, you had a great show with this one. It's especially good seeing all the different enterprises I must say one thing I really wish they would do more with the Prometheus From that episode of Star Trek voyager. I like that ship and what it can do, it looked extremely good Oh, well, I guess it was just a one time seeing event. And that was it, unfortunately.
The early decomissioning of the Ent F Odyssey class was a silly idea. As much as I love Bill Krause's ship, I would have loved the Ody Ent F to continue.
I'm happy to disclose that this kind of awkwardness won't happen on another space game that i'm currently playing. I, along with every other player online, am currently participating in missions and adventures that Star Trek Online could only dream about. That having been said, i do hope Star Trek Online (or some other version of it with much better graphics) will come out someday.
IFAIK, Romulus still exists in the "Kelvin universe". I just thought that Nero was just obsessed with "his" Romulus in the Prime universe, and couldn't figure out the whole alternate universe thing...
Ok so just a point of clarification. Nero couldn’t get over the loss of his family and his Romulus. His goal, however irrational is to save the Kelvin Romulus by destroying the Federation that failed his Romulus. Irrational? Definitely, but remember this guy is just a miner and a traumatized one at that.
@@Shapes_Quality_Control I just thought that they could have saved a lot of time in the movie if they just told him, "Hey, dude, Romulus is not destroyed", and told him to go see for himself... But, I'm a rational nit-picker (or, am I?)... The only thing that I like about JJTrek is the cast. When he said that his first question upon getting the franchise reboot was, "How can we make this more like 'Star Wars'?", I wrote him off as that he just doesn't "get it". I enjoy both ST and SW, but, they are definitely different things, with SW being "space fantasy" to me. Now, don't get me started on KurtzTrek, and its screwing with TOS on-screen canon. Oh, well... I'll still stick with the Paramount rep talking about the ST:TWOK novelization saying that Saavik was Spock's half-Vulcan/half-Romulan daughter: "If it's not on-screen, it's not canon"... even if KurtzTrek is screwing with it...
Great show! You've always been my favorite face and voice- haven't had opportunity yet to press flesh, you never know though. I'll just have to worship your soothing voice of Treknology from your educated tongue for now! Thank you for the Enterprise F-ology!
You could argue that the reason the Titan-A was rechristened Enterprise-G was because Starfleet could no longer build large impressive starships, ever since their primary Fleetyard of Utopia Planitia went up in flames. You would have thought that as Mars was still on fire, Starfleet would have looked elsewhere to establish a new Fleetyard perhaps around one of the Alpha Centauri stars, Sirius or Axanar. I'd like to find out what happened to the 1701-E. Maybe an opponent we haven't seen much of such as the Tzenkthi ambushed the E-E while she was patrolling the Kalandra sector.
The bigger they are the more they over think the plumbing making it easier to stop up the drain. Scotty described the lousy F’s fate hundreds of years after the fact. That’s impressive.
Worf's "It wasn't my fault" line doesn't necessarily mean he was the captain. Don't forget, Riker was in command when the D was destroyed - and he was still the first officer.
The overall size increase in Enterprises highlight the fact that the Enterprise-E is not actually a part of the multi-mission flagship explorers, of which most Enterprises belong. It is a replacement for the century-old Excelsior Class. The Odyssey Class is the direct replacement for the Galaxy Class.
The Enterprise F decommissioning in Picard was very awkward. You can tell it was an afterthought and was originally supposed to be commissioned, not decommissioned. They got it out of the way to make way for the ugly Titan. No decommissioned ship flies out of space dock in a big reveal.
Yep! No idea why they went with that TOS fusion aesthetic, when we had the Odyssey class so well established in beta Canon and the Luna class titan working so well, even in Lower Decks.
The whole art direction in Picard's second and third season, in terms of LCARS, phasers, ships, etc., was just awful. (I really enjoyed the third season, but it was such a misfire design-wise).
Agreed! Don’t know about you but I just don’t get how or why ( in cannon) it would be necessary to decommission the F rather than change out a few systems! Plenty of examples of major overhauls having taken place and not resulting in scrapping the ship. I mean, what a waste!
@@GuitarsnCars Agreed. It really feels like "what was the point" of introducing F just to decommission it after only 13 years of service. The original, B, C, and D were all destroyed/lost at various points of service with A being the only Enterprise decommissioned until E and F (not including the NX version) and it was largely decommissioned due to the Khitomer Accords. These ships are designed with a long lifespan- heck the US Navy's most recent carrier Enterprise was just retired a few years ago after 50 years of service and I'm sure it was given several overhauls over the years. Instead of bringing back a rebuilt version of the D varient S3 of Picard should have put the focus on the E and retired it at the end of the series, and use that as the introduction of the F.
What makes it even stranger is that all they had to do was change a few lines of dialogue to make it less awkward. I'm not sure why they were insistent on the Titan-A becoming the Enterprise-G. It didn't really add much to the story and making it the USS Picard or something like that would have arguably been even more impactful.
@@QuintusAntonious Making the neo constitution a refit (or rebuild really) of the Titan didn't even make sense other than to give Riker some added tension with Shaw and give audiences a familiar name to trigger the feel good nostalgia chemicals. Someone behind the scenes clearly wanted a return to a more classic look even though it didn't fit with the way Starfleet design had been evolving and would continue to evolve. The Titan was a way sexier ship than the Titan-A and then turning it into the Enterprise-G just felt like cheap attempt at making the season's hero ship feel more important. Definitely wish they had kept and focused more on the Enterprise-F as well as the original Luna class Titan.
Sean, your statements at the end of every segment encouraging us to live in peace never fail to warm my heart. It makes my day, and it makes me tune in to every video. Thanks.
OKAY lets get this over quickly......The Dual Neck was designed to improve Slipstream Velocity, It wasn't nearly destroyed by "Shon" but by the iconians and the USS Verity was lkely a precurser design of the Odyssey using more "sovereign era technology"
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What great timing. I just posted new Enterprise-F art earlier today! lol Excited to watch.
I love your art, Jace. I always look forward to your newest work.
@@micahzook2626Thank you! It's much appreciated. :)
Imma just head over to Kofi right quick...
I saw - its GORGEOUS!!!
@@sean.ferrickThank you!
You know Trek Culture is in safe presenting-hands when Sean even gets that Apollo 13 quote right! Loving your work, sir.
Hehe thank you! ❤
Dominion War concludes
Starfleet: (builds Odyssey; reveals) “So we all know who’s in charge here, right?”
Some corrections, notes, and other fun facts:
10:36 states that the Odyssey class has 32 decks, but according to an MSD render of the Enterprise-F recently released by Cryptic Studios, which was done my artist Tim Davies, it actually has 45 decks, making it even taller than the Galaxy class.
0:44 states that USS Verity's registry number was NCC-97007, but the art shows it being NCC-97000. This actually contradicted Star Trek Online's canon, which stated 97000 was USS Odyssey's number. Cryptic would later establish lore stating that Verity's number was actually 97001. This is made more confusing by the fact that STO also released a variant of the Odyssey called the Verity class as part of its 10th Anniversary bundle, the first of its line using the number NCC-97005.
2:28 The Aquarius-class auxiliary craft is compared to captains' yachts, areoshuttles, and runabouts, but it was more of a scaled down version of the Defiant class. While still being only a few decks high (we don't know exactly, but based off the MSD render I mentioned early, probably around four decks), it's equipped with phaser quad cannons and quantum torpedoes, much like the Defiant. The video also references how the Aquarius' docking port is where a shuttle bay would typically be on some past Enterprises, like the Constitution class; in STO there actually is a version of the Odyssey that features another shuttle bay back there instead of an Aquarius. It was the original free version of the Odyssey that was released as a promotion for the C-store versions that would be released a month or so after. To me this suggested the prototype for the Odyssey class didn't have the Aquarius docking port, at least not initially. You can still obtain this version of the Odyssey in STO with Fleet Credits from a ship vendor.
4:42 The Yellowstone class Runabout in Star Trek Online did take its name from the Voyager version, but visually looks quite different from the Danube class, having a design style that fits in more with STO ship design aesthetic from the time. Though, referring back to that MSD, it uses a graphics of the Danube, Argo, type-9 shuttle, worker bees, and even the Mission Scout Ship from Insurrection all docked in the F's shuttle bays.
7:24 Fun Fact: The Chimera class was just recently revamped in Star Trek Online. It looks WAY better now, in game. Cryptic actually got Jason Lee do the revamp himself.
13:50 While STO's original canon stated that the Enterprise-F was launched in 2409, I don't think they're still sticking to that. Frankly, I was kinda glad when Picard announced they were making the F older than STO original timeline. It never made sense to me that the Odyssey class would receive a major structural refit that was compared to the Constitution's refit from the early 2270's after only a year of service (even with the Iconian War). But making the Odyssey a bit older makes the Yorktown refit make more sense to me.
14:58 While Scylla and Charybdis, which released in January of 2018, was the first time the Enterprise-F had been seen in the Yorktown refit, the Yorktown itself had been a playable ship for nearly two years in Star Trek Online at this point, having been released in February of 2016 along with the two other Odyssey refit variants, Endeavour and Sojourner.
15:11 Eaglemoss released three different Enterprise-F models. The first two were bonus issues to the original Star Trek Starships Collection. The gray one pictured in the video was called the "Federation Livery" version, and only exists because Eaglemoss didn't haven't much confidence in Star Trek Online's unique black and white contrasting hull design, so they made up their own that they thought represented a more traditional look of past starships Enterprise. This gray hull version didn't exist in STO until the models were released because if you bought it, it came with a code that unlocked a special "Eaglemoss" hull material for the Odyssey that you could use in the game. The second was the actual Odyssey class that was originally featured in Star Trek Online (and later in Star Trek Picard) which Eaglemoss called the "Star Trek Online Livery" version. The Yorktown refit model that was pictured in the video was not part of the original Starships collection, but was the 15th issue of Eaglemoss' Star Trek Online Starships Collection. Even Master Replicas still gets this wrong because whenever they've gotten the Yorktown refit version in stock they still label as the STO Livery version, but there was no "Federation Livery" version of the Yorktown refit.
The Odyssey class is my favorite ship in Star Trek. I was so excited to see that it was being made canon in Star Trek Picard, but so disappointed in how they handled it, decommissioning it just so they could rebrand the Titan-A.
About the Titan thing imo they should have renamed it the U.S.S. Shawn then cut to another shot right next to it have a new massive starfleet cruiser and say that that is the NCC 1701-G
The J is a colony ship-- its got all that extra space for habitat areas (kind of like the starbase in SNW). Very similar to a GSV in the Culture series. The odyssey class was meant to be a mobile starbase. Its got a massive hangar deck, and a huge bridge, and it's designed to take over as a command centre for wider fleet operations.
Indeed, and the Angelou Class looks like a successor of it
@@Zotemann quite right!
What's GSV? And what is the Culture Series?
@kaeaja Ian M. Banks is a scottish sci-fi author. He wrote 10 novels and a few short stories set in the same universe. (The "Culture" series. The first book was called Consider Phlebas)
In that series, the Culture (Basically a bunch of humans, more or less. Bipedal, two arms, eyes nose mouth, etc.) Are one of several major civilizations (loosely akin to the Federation in Star Trek, which is part of why i made the connection). They're seen as intergalactic do-gooders, but they have the tech to back it up. A GSV (general systems vehicle) is their main ship-type. They have ships designed for combat, ships designed for exploration, and ships just designed for like, normal life. People live on them. They're tens of kilometers long, with many decks, they include lots of open-air nature space (or other species might need oceans or gas-giant atmospheres, etc.) At any given time few hundred million people will be living on a ship like that, just for scale.
The books are great - I highly recommend them. If you don't want to commit to the full series, i recommend book 5, Excession. It's my personal favourite and doesn't require you to know anything about the other books, so you can drop right in.
@@Thrillhou my personal favorite of the Culture books is Player Of Games, I reread it every couple of year. Use of Weapons still freaks me out when I consider the ending reveals...
I remember in STO fighting along side of the Enterprise F. That was my happiest moment playing the game. I'm sad it was being decommissioned and replaced with something weaker.
I can't recall which mission it was, but fighting along side SEVERAL Enterprises, as well as Voyager and Defiant, was ... so... so... gratifying!
@@Antagonizer-br5yq”The Measure of Morality part 2” -STO
All the Trek hero ships make an appearance.
I recommend Iaputter Irratus TFO. That has the Enterprise F, the Defiant, and Voyager commanded by Janeway in the beginning together, and in continuity with the game's history.
The Enterprise and Defiant both lead ships to go after Mirror Kumaarke once you force her to withdraw.@@Shapes_Quality_Control
@@shauntempley9757 And than Killy on the Mirror Enterprise-F shows up.
Yeah. That was amazing. I rather enjoyed beating her ship up. She was a really good villain in that story arc.@@GabePuratekuta
I appreciate these videos that focus on the ships-I know vert little and it makes these videos enjoyable
It’s so nice seeing the odyssey class and the enterprise-f be made canon.
You forgot to mention that in Star Trek Online's history, the Enterprise-E was also commanded by Captain Data after Geordi revived him in the B-4 body. Also, the E lasted until 2408, until she was destoyed by the Undine (a.k.a. Species 8472), though the causalties were minimal. Data was offered the Enterprise-F, however, he declined and even recommended Captain Shon for the job.
Picard s3 is set before in the year 2401 so there are a lot of those post stories that are no longer canon anymore. The E fate is something different now than the undine and the F is already decommissioned at end of Picard s3 too.
Gotta remember that STO story isn't entirely canon as they pulled from all of trek fiction. Love what STO put together though.
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Why? Why isn't picard considered overridden by the other aforementioned works? Maybe the other is canon and picard is fanfic. 😅
@@yuki-sakurakawa Yeah. It never has though.
The Pocket Books Timeline/Universe was wrapped up in the CODA trilogy.
It's all a clusterfuck until somebody decides which story is canon and settle the argument either the creators of the Star Trek show or whoever is in charge of Star Trek online now since cryptic laid off about 5,000 employees I have a feeling our beloved Star Trek MMO is going to take a nose dive into the getting shut down forever era because of how old the game is and all the other crap that's going on nowadays. I mean honestly I think the game could benefit from a massive Overhaul and revamp with current technology and visual Aesthetics could you imagine the game running in Unreal Engine 5 or something?
I'm still a little sour that the Enterprise-F didn't get more of a moment to shine, but the fact it even made it to screen was an okay consolation prize.
Your knowledge and obvious enthusiasm for all things Trek is much appreciated. Thank You very much from an ageing Trek fan.
Captain James T. Kirk's Constitution class USS Enterprise NCC 1701 was flagged as a Heavy Cruiser, a fact Gene Roddenberry noted in his novelization of ST: TMP.
Its more fitting to refer to the Odyssey class a Dreadnought level starship. The Excelsior class was noted as a Battleship back in the 1980s in FASA's Star Trek Starship Combat Game.
FASA was always non-canon though, and there’s no reason why what’s considered a cruiser or a heavy cruiser for that matter can’t change over time, especially when it’s just size that’s changing. On the other hand if its main job is to battle other ships then battleship would be the traditional term.
This may be my favorite Enterprise that we will never see. Shame. Great Job Everyone, Thanks for everything
Love these in-depth visits to the incarnations of the Enterprise. Also I noticed you correctly quoting the Apollo 13 incident, hopefully there are more coming to tide you over until we see the final season of Discovery and Prodigy season two.
As a life long trekkie: Sean, I love you dearly and I love these videos diving in deep. Never stop!
Started playing STO back in 2012 and this was my first event ship. They really did a great job with the remaster and if you happen to play STO sometime, get the Terran Lexington. Odyssey with a phaser lance. LLAP🖖
Phaser lance and hanger bay. Also, you can put all the Odyssey consoles on it to get the Aquarius escort and the Chevron seperation. It's a beast of a ship.
As always thank you all so very much for the video.
I've 3d printed 2x of these ships at 40cm length each. Bloody amazing in real life. Both have removable Aquarius ships and saucer separation ability.
Absolutely exquisite ships
according to the old STO lore blogs, the Enterprise E got blown up by Species 8472 (if I recall correctly, roughly around the very late 2390's - early 2400's) while it was under the command of Data. He's offered the command of the F but decides to pass it on to Shawn (who at that point just lost his ship to a temporally displaced Dominion fleet)
Also if were talking about variants of the Odessy / Enterprise F, I think the Lexington is a pretty standout variant with it's big mission pod
I love ya Sean. You're good people. Between this channel and whoculture your positivity shine through. A huge part of why I started watching the stuff other than discovery and Strange New Worlds was your enthusiasm doing the picard ups and downs. I wanted to watch that too but had only seen a handful of Next Gen and the movies. I am currently in the middle of season 3 of DS9 and will be starting voyager in a couple episodes. I'm watching by air date as to have the fullest experience. I'm madly in love with deep space nine. Didn't expect that.
Honestly, they should have saved the Enterprise F for the next series. Should have just kept the E-E in service as the Sovereign class is still an incredibly powerful ship even 30 years later.
Beautiful ship.
Look forward to seeing it feature more into the franchise.
Oh wait.
There is still Lower Decks and Prodigy where it could feature. I’d like to think that the Lower Deckers and maybe Dal and his friends could be on their way to becoming the senior staff of the Enterprise-F.
It would be featured more … just as a Museum Piece.
Unless later down the line? They could Pull an Enterprise-D with her. Which could possibly happen if there was a Canonized version of the Iconian War arc following Legacy’s Seventh Season. Which would see the Destruction of the Enterprise-G saving the Galaxy from a Species 8472 invasion in 2409.
The Temporarily Recommissioned Enterprise-F could be shown in the Legacy movies and would be Commanded by Seven, possibly only at the Canon version of the Battle of Midnight.
I think it would be Re-Decommissioned afterwards, but would potentially see an Enterprise-H that would be a Yorktown-Class, As for Shon given the Belfast would be lost there too if it appears? He’d get the Canon USS Yorktown Prototype.
Bless you both for bringing some hope to my old, blackened heart.
@@skylarsayers2429possibly under the command of Captain Jorel Quinn too.
Geordi didn't make a bigger museum hoop for the D but he is DEFINITLEY going to need something bigger for the F, assuming it survived the battle with Space Dock.
1:55 I don’t think it was forgotten really, if anything in response the resources and any scrap leftover from Romulan Evacuation Fleet would be redirected into the Odyssey-Class as well as restoring the fleet, Keep in mind, in 2386, just one year after the Synth attack the Enterprise-F was Launched and Commissioned, at the time of Frontier Day, she was 15 years old. If anything the Odyssey was finished and ALSO entered service, Verity put under a New Crew, and Construction on at least 10 more, including the USS Hikaru Sulu NCC-92420, had Begun at San-Fransisco Fleetyards, where in Canon the design originated.
that 4 nacelle art was so awesome. although, i'm a sucker for any star trek ship design with 4 nacelles lol
I love the F. The Odyssey-class is my favorite Starfleet ship design, bar none (although the D'Deridex is my favorite ship in Trek, and in fact all of science fiction). What can I say, I'm a sucker for having a gap in the middle of the ship.
I do wish you'd gone a little bit into the crew of the ship under Shon, although I know that's not how you usually do these videos. The existence of Chief Engineer Kirayoshi O'Brien just makes me smile.
the Odyssey is by far the most over-hyped design. It will NEVER hold a candle to the D, or even E. It looks like a smashed bullfrog underneath a shovel. I’m so glad that Shon and O’Brien aren’t canon. It sounded all like bad Star Trek fan-fiction writing
I am a strong proponent of what Picard did with the Enterprise F. She deserved much, much more. I am also not a fan of the Enterprise G. The Titan-A should have been renamed as USS Picard. This makes much more sense and would round out the show even better than what we got.
The entire third season was nothing but a love letter to fans. Unfortunately, Star Trek has some of the most whiny, pissy fans this side of the galaxy. The G being a constitution class made it the perfect spiritual successor to be the next Enterprise. The F was an overly large, monstrosity that looked like a smashed bullfrog. I’ll leave it at this with a quote from Scotty: “The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.” He described the F’s legacy perfectly. Cry more.
And STO still has a better overall story than the current Prime universe.
Nope. STO is all over the place.
@@dightonazpeitia4350 no worse than what they've been doing in the Prime universe.
@@SSPerfectChaosRCTOh, yes it is. Bringing Data back in the body of B-4 was dumb. The Picard show handled Data’s resurrection much MUCH better and that’s only one example.
@@dightonazpeitia4350 B4 had Data's memories. Nemesis established that. And the writers clearly meant for B4 to eventually become Data given that last scene. Meanwhile we get back Icheb, Ro Laren, Shelby and others just so they can die and that's okay?
@@SSPerfectChaosRCT Ok? But it was also established that despite all that because of how it was designed that it would never be Data. Data HIMSELF in the movie said that it’s systems weren’t nearly as complex being that B-4 was a sort of prototype. I mean, come on man. Did you even watch it? XD
I would like to imagine that got upgrade into a Lexington class dreadnought. The one the torpedo weapon pod and the spine mounted phaser lance.
The Odyssey was my absolute favorite ship when I played STO. Happy to see it in Picard and see y'all talk about it here. ❤
would love a version of this type of list on the TNG romulan warbird, but thank you for this and the information
Love all ships Enterprise. I have loved watching the lore of the F. Seeing it on Picard was great and the Voyager B.
On your comment about the Enterprise being the only Odyssey-class to exist in Picard... I'm pretty sure you can see other Odyssey-class ships in the center of most of the formations during the Fleet Formation attack on ESD.
The Odyssey-class USS Hikaru Sulu, in fact.
Hey! I remember this list. Shut up, I read.
I am not a particular fan of the design, although I do appreciate the F's length of service (but my goodness, 1701-nothing - forty years!).
I much prefer the smaller, under-powered, outgunned, might fly apart at any moment starships like the old Constitution/Starship class. It was big for Starfleet, but everyone else seemed to have something bigger. It was the ingenuity of the crew that got them out of bad situations; the ship itself just did them the favor of not coming apart around them (mixed metaphor of the day - "Hear me, baby? Hold together.")
Good list, always fun to talk about an Enterprise.
Loving all the Star Trek Online love! :D And yes, the F is a great ship to fly in game.
The Kelvin Connie is better 🤷♂️
@@dightonazpeitia4350 Cool, but no-one asked
@@SkydreamPony Who said anyone asked skid mark?
@@dightonazpeitia4350 Then why mention it if no-one asked?
@@SkydreamPony Because I can, dink.
Well done John I’m glad you got the MCRD reference of Commodore data’s command of the enterprise F
I don't fly the Oddy class in STO because I don't like how it handles, but it is still my favorite design.
Not sure how hot a take it is, but the Yorktown upgrade is such a vastly superior take on the design.
Yeah, 15 years is still quite short for a ship named Enterprise though. For reference the US Ship U.S.S. Enterprise CVN-65 was in active service for a total of 51 years before it was decommissioned. We'll see if her successor U.S.S. Enterprise CVN-80 can beat that record.
OK, this may be the nerdiest thing ever but: THANK YOU, Seán, for properly quoting Jim Lovell when saying "Houston, we've had a problem!" :)
As for STO's canon vs Prime canon, I don't know if it'd be likely or if it has precedence in real life but consider this: The Titan/Enterprise-G is much smaller than the other newer Enterprises so let's assume that the F is put under Geordi's care at the museum. Because of the G's age and let's also assume temporary assignment as Enterprise-G it is decommissioned in 2407 or 2408. Then instead of designing a completely new Enterprise-H, Starfleet decides to dig out the old F and give it the upgrades shown in STO. That way, both timelines now come back in line and the F can still be under Captain Shan in 2409 and 2410 which is when STO takes place. Again, not sure if it's likely or even has happened IRL but surely it's possible?
Great video but one thing worth mentioning...there were 3 different versions of the Enterprise-F made by Eaglemoss. The Federation Livery that you mentioned. The STO livery that you mentioned but didn't show. Finally there is the Yorktown variant F that you did show. Still hunting the regular STO version myself.
Nice to see Thomas Maroone mentioned as his skills are extraordinary!
You know I have always considered myself pretty astute Trekkie, but the thing you guys detail boggles the mind.😊 Well done.
As I recall, the refit NCC-1701-A only had a 3 year life since it was decomssion at the end of Undisdovered Country, which took place 3 years after Voyage Home and Final Frontier.
I have a feeling Starfleet decommissioned her thinking the A was on the verge of falling appart thanks to Scotty lying about systems failures to rescue kirk from Klingon prison and save the conference.
Well, the A was falling apart after its initial shakedown cruise at the end of The Voyage Home, and Scotty was repairing it in the beginning of Final Frontier: "Let's see what she's got, said the captain... oh and then we found out, didn't we???" LOL! @@zomfragger
Based on "pixels" of an Odyssey Class schematic (scaled to 1061 pixels in width), the Aquarius Class escort docked at the aft of the ship, is roughly 90 pixels (meters) in length. Essentially a very large "Runabout", or about half the length of a Defiant Class. Supposedly it has 3-4 decks as well, making it a very formidable support craft and a small starship in its own right.
In STO it's considered a base Tier 5 (out of 6) Light Escort ship. It's a nice little raider-style ship though it has low hull hit points meaning it's really designed for hit and run tactics. It's one of my favorite tactical ships to use in the game even if Tier 5 ships really aren't considered end-game ships any more (usable upon reaching level 50 out of 65).
@@jcohasset23 And especially since you can use Tier 6 ships as early as level 10, there's absolutely no reason to pull something like that unless you're only taking a weapon or console from it.
Tim Davies made an MSD for the Enterprise F. The ship actually has 45 decks not 32
Well, the UA-cam algo works! Glad I stumbled on to your excellent channel.
Regarding the STO “design the next enterprise” contest, they’re also using the designs from that contest to make other ships in the game and/or design other aspects of the ships.
I submitted and my design had its saucer used in the guardian cruiser design.
Thank you for this video, I have the terran version of this ship and I really enjoy playing with it online. I also wondered what had happened in the one year between F and G becacuse I really wanted to see this ship in action more .
I love the Odyssey class so much. Takes what I love of the Sovereign and continues it! We may not see the F again, but I do hope we see another Odyssey class at some point. The G with that beautiful Neo-Constitution class is great, but Odyssey deserves more attention too!
Have you considered doing a TrekCulture Calendar? I'm sure Sean and Paul S would be very popular!
Wait, the Enterprise-D was in service for 2363 to 2371, so 8 years, not 7
And the Enterprise-B served 36 years from 2293 to 2329...
It also doesn't really count as the C and D were both destroyed, and not decommissioned.
Average lifespan of a Starfleet vessel seems to fall between 30 and 50 years, repairs and refits notwithstanding.
I love this! Have you guys done one of these on the Enterprise B?
It sounded like you said Captain Sean and I thought you were talking about your own gameplay for a second 😂
The Enterprise F in the Millennium trilogy was almost certainly not a Defiant class. I always got the impression that it was a much larger warship from Tom Riker describing it as "the Defiant to the tenth power" when he was telling Sisko what happened to it... and Will Riker... and Earth
Honestly the Odyssey design is just beautiful, my favorite design of any ship in trek.
Sean, a video I would love if you guys would make would be reviewing, in less detail of course, the various different ships of the various factions. Like “Updated Encyclopedia of Federation Starship Classes.” It could be an hour long for each and I think we’d all watch that, even with ads
The msd of the F posted online is great, two hazard op briefing rooms!
The Enterprise F is probably my favorite star fleet vessel of all time.
Great video as always. Kelvin scales are bonkers for all ships…JJ needed a technical manual! Voyager and the New shows have taught not every series needs to be lead by the Enterprise. The Titian should not have been rechristened for that scene at the end of Picard. It would have enabled a new ship to carry on the name of Enterprise, as the F on screen, or a truly new ship as the G.
Yeah, I get why they rechristened the Titan as the Enterprise, but I was expecting it to be named the USS Picard. Oh well, they're never going to be able to keep everyone happy all at once.
They should've just built an additional Neo-Constitution class ship and label that the Enterprise-G. And left the Titan-A intact with its own legacy.
After the incident with the USS Kelvin and subsequent arms race with the Klingons who had access to the Narada to reverse engineer, larger, more heavily powered ships that could carry out more support and evacuation duties makes sense to me in the Kelvin timeline. We also can’t discount Section 31 tinkering with designs.
JJ didn’t need a technical manual. It had to be bigger in order to look as if it belonged on the big screens and for all the hero shots. It’s just Trekkies like you have their heads too far up their own cheeks to realize that.
Assuming the F survived the final battle at the end of “Star Trek Picard”, it’d be cool if it could turn up someday at the Fleet Museum in a future Trek production *cough* Legacy!🤞
I know it is unlikely for so many reasons, but if Star Trek Legacy is a go, I'd rather the hero ship is the Enterprise-F. I strongly believe that Producer Michael Chabon made a grievous error eschewing the F in favor of the Titan-A (Sorry, but I will never call it the Enterprise. It feels too much like taking 10 steps backward, and, if you recall, the TOS Enterprise had a considerable bit of history before the era of James T. Kirk.
Be kinda hard to have the enterprise f back in any future show. It was destroyed in the final epsidoe of Picard s3.
Wish in one hand, piss in the other see what gets full first. The G is the hero ship. It would be so dumb and chicken sh-t for the writers and creators to pull that bs when it’s already been established which ship they’ll be using. Thank God Terry won’t listen to you Trekkie cry babies
Let me correct: There are at least 5 more Odyssey Class ships in fleet formation.
Also Enterpise-J might be from alternate timeline where Archer didn't destroyed Spheres and their influence expanded beyond Delphic Expanse leading to Battle of Proxima V. When he did that, the timeline was changed and we are following current prime timeline from there of.
The size of the ships is counterintuitive. They were larger because they had families and they spent more time out in space. The idea was they could go months before needing to visit a starbase. The also had every kind of laboratory & facility for science and exploration.
The comparatively smaller ships were more useful in combat. Though Yar from Yesterday's Enterprise mentions the thousands of soldiers the D could hold. That would be useful if you needed to occupy a planet. Even in wartime, that's not really Star Fleets thing.
In my opinion, this is the most beautiful ship in existence.
The USS Vengeance, really like that ship. ;)
Thanks Sean! Cool stuff, Sir. Please tell me they are not going to allow Elon Musk to design the Enterprise... um, "X". Good show, folks! Live long and prosper.
I did need to know that. Thank you.
I say create a show where someone steals or somehow acquires the F and it continues its adventures in another timeline or in tandem with the G. It needs recognition!
Great show. The whole Titan thing, then the premature demise of the F, the making of the titan-A into the G, it seems wholly and totally unneeded and complex, keep the Titan, Keep the F, the perceived desire to have another neo-Constitution seems wholly based on the shows producers, and very few of the fan base.
When you double the dimensions of a box, you increase its volume by eight times. That means when you double the dimensions of a ship, you could possibly increase its volume by up to eight times as well.
I must say, you had a great show with this one. It's especially good seeing all the different enterprises I must say one thing I really wish they would do more with the Prometheus From that episode of Star Trek voyager. I like that ship and what it can do, it looked extremely good Oh, well, I guess it was just a one time seeing event. And that was it, unfortunately.
For reference the real life Apollo 13 line is "Houston, we have got a problem." 😊
I am once again asking TrekCulture to do some full videos covering the Star Trek Online game lore.
I like the idea that the F had a bunch of Captains and the weight of the name "Enterprise" may have weighed it down.
The E is still my favourite!
The Aquarius is less of a support craft, and more of a built-in escort. Official(tm) sources have it similar in size to the Defiant class.
If it had been in a movie, it would have exploded in minutes. 🖖
Thank you Trek Culture for the STO love. Integrating the game and comics and ultimately the shows must be a headache. See ya on the servers
The early decomissioning of the Ent F Odyssey class was a silly idea. As much as I love Bill Krause's ship, I would have loved the Ody Ent F to continue.
I think it's a good leap from E to F 😃
I love the enterprise f, it’s a damn shame you didn’t get see her on screen for very long, PS: love Captain Shonn
Who???
@@dightonazpeitia4350 Captain Va’kel Shonn, he’s an Andorian and the captain of the enterprise F in Star Trek online
@@thespectre717 Oh the not canon shit. Got it.
Have you thought about doing 10 unknown things about main characters as well?
Beautiful ship.
It’s just a shame we won’t ever get a model of the Enterprise F, it looks like it would be real fun to build
I'm happy to disclose that this kind of awkwardness won't happen on another space game that i'm currently playing. I, along with every other player online, am currently participating in missions and adventures that Star Trek Online could only dream about. That having been said, i do hope Star Trek Online (or some other version of it with much better graphics) will come out someday.
I played Star Trek Online heavily when the odyssey class came out. It was pretty cool when it released
IFAIK, Romulus still exists in the "Kelvin universe". I just thought that Nero was just obsessed with "his" Romulus in the Prime universe, and couldn't figure out the whole alternate universe thing...
Ok so just a point of clarification. Nero couldn’t get over the loss of his family and his Romulus. His goal, however irrational is to save the Kelvin Romulus by destroying the Federation that failed his Romulus. Irrational? Definitely, but remember this guy is just a miner and a traumatized one at that.
@@Shapes_Quality_Control I just thought that they could have saved a lot of time in the movie if they just told him, "Hey, dude, Romulus is not destroyed", and told him to go see for himself... But, I'm a rational nit-picker (or, am I?)... The only thing that I like about JJTrek is the cast. When he said that his first question upon getting the franchise reboot was, "How can we make this more like 'Star Wars'?", I wrote him off as that he just doesn't "get it". I enjoy both ST and SW, but, they are definitely different things, with SW being "space fantasy" to me. Now, don't get me started on KurtzTrek, and its screwing with TOS on-screen canon.
Oh, well... I'll still stick with the Paramount rep talking about the ST:TWOK novelization saying that Saavik was Spock's half-Vulcan/half-Romulan daughter: "If it's not on-screen, it's not canon"... even if KurtzTrek is screwing with it...
@@igorschmidlapp6987 Pike literally did try to tell Nero that. Nero screamed in his face and explained his plan. You didn’t pay attention.
i love that send off
Great show!
You've always been my favorite face and voice- haven't had opportunity yet to press flesh, you never know though. I'll just have to worship your soothing voice of Treknology from your educated tongue for now! Thank you for the Enterprise F-ology!
13:14 For what it is worth, Enterprise CVN-65 was in service for 50 years. They won't make them like they used to.
You could argue that the reason the Titan-A was rechristened Enterprise-G was because Starfleet could no longer build large impressive starships, ever since their primary Fleetyard of Utopia Planitia went up in flames. You would have thought that as Mars was still on fire, Starfleet would have looked elsewhere to establish a new Fleetyard perhaps around one of the Alpha Centauri stars, Sirius or Axanar. I'd like to find out what happened to the 1701-E. Maybe an opponent we haven't seen much of such as the Tzenkthi ambushed the E-E while she was patrolling the Kalandra sector.
If that was the case, why not just upgrade the 43 deck 15,000 capacity Enterprise-D with new phasers, quantum torpedoes and all the rest?
The bigger they are the more they over think the plumbing making it easier to stop up the drain. Scotty described the lousy F’s fate hundreds of years after the fact. That’s impressive.
Hey, Shaun, don't forget that the Enterprise A had 73 decks. LOL.😂❤
Awesome thank you
Worf's "It wasn't my fault" line doesn't necessarily mean he was the captain.
Don't forget, Riker was in command when the D was destroyed - and he was still the first officer.
The overall size increase in Enterprises highlight the fact that the Enterprise-E is not actually a part of the multi-mission flagship explorers, of which most Enterprises belong.
It is a replacement for the century-old Excelsior Class.
The Odyssey Class is the direct replacement for the Galaxy Class.
Can we get a Steamrunner class vid, please?
TBH - I think the F looks cooler than G