Funny how the Witch-King seemed more sympathetic to Talion than Celembrimbor, and even offered him some small consolation, calling him his brother and all
@@painted5887 Which is why Celebrimbor took it so harshly. (Granted I was peeved too but looking at it this way does make me feel less hateful about his vengeance...especially since I can't help but feel bad for the uruks that were driven insane accidentally by my shaming cause they were too high to own, but still). I was the kind of player that tried to brand and own all uruks I could, and boy was it a pain in Minas Morgul when there would be a chain of valuable uruks...who persistently had the iron will trait until they were in the teens.
"You are but a vessel and there are others" That betrayal really hurt but talion still made the right decisions and is the most selfless hero in this story
@@solitude_guard8756 same, the only elves I'd ever trust are Legolas, Arwen and Lord Elrond. The rest are a bunch of soulless, scheming assholes with no loyalties, drowning in their own hubris.
The Amazing Crarthur He fought death, and won. He fought power, and won. He fought corruption, and he fought valiantly. In the end, he was a brave and noble Man-but just that-a Man.
I dont think he did use the ring of sauron, more like the ring wraith/Nazhgul were looking for the ring. But even if he did then it might because hes combined with a stronger spirit
Actually all you need is enough will-power to resist. Even a normal person, weak in body but strong in mind, can resist against the whispered promise of true power. But at the end the ring is stronger after all and everyone would fall.
Well to be fair, Sauron was dealing with Celebrimbor fighting for control as they became one being, so more or less those decades where spent when Sauron was nowhere near full power. When Sauron regained his power, Talion fell
Rikaku Tenshima dude, you could kill sauron given enough time, as evidenced in the movies, they destroyed the ring so sauron was gone practically forever.
I loved this ending 100%. Yes I would've liked to fight celebrimbor and dominate him instead of him doing the dominating. A third game is likely to happen, celebrimbor's life force is fused in the silver ring which was not destroyed.
@@Amphyb wait then why did she kidnap Frodo in the first place? seems kinds self-destructive to hinder the hero who has the one thing that can destroy ur most hated foe.. maybe she wanted to destroy it herself instead? or perhaps saw thru the Web of Fate that the event had to happen so she went and did it anyway despite thinking it was a bad idea. I mean idk XD
@@sekira4516 yup. you never know what could have happen. maybe it was the only scenario where Frodo didn't fatally trip over a rock on his way to Mount Doom, lol :)
Rywolf it should be obvious if you read the silmarillion and the Lotr books as well as the hobbit, all of this, isn't canon, cause well, i highly doubt one see through boy, celebrimbor, and a bargain brand female Legolas, eltariel, can defeat one of the maiar, sauron, also helm hammerhand was born 5000 years after the nine nazgul were created, same with isildur but in his case only 1000 years, and Minas ithil fell in the second age, to be honest this was more of a 'hey let's follow lore but put in our own just to make this more interesting' also Shelob was just a giant, dangerous, spider in the actual lore, which the movies follow as absolute best they can, she wasn't able to shapeshift, or even give a damn about the struggles of middle earth so long as she could continue to eat, also only two of the nine had names, the witch King, and the second in command khamul (spellcheck) the easterling, so yea while this is a interesting story, it's all non-canon my friend
In the end, Talion got the peace he deserved. On the Shores of Valinor, his journey ended, and the ones he left behind... all those orcs, all those uruks who served faithfully and completely... They felt an emotion they never expected. An emotion Morgoth had tried and failed to kill. They felt grief, and sadness, at the loss of a lord. At the loss of a friend.
That has a unique beauty to me. The fact that Talion, a great freedom fighter, willingly donned one of the Nazgul rings to try and protect his country. That he resisted turning for decades, when most of the Nazgul turned in less than a year. And that he laid down his arms, the years of age given back in the afterlife, and found solace at long last. That brings a whole new dimension to the gaming experience, that is what makes a great game incredible. Fantastic.
Which is hilarious, given knowledge of what happens to those who aid Sauron and Morgoth, unwillingly or otherwise, in actual lore. Still, it's a fine enough ending.
There is mention of specific warriors being resurrected to fight against Morgoth in special circumstances, so that could make for a good third game lol. Talion walks into the light, ready to relax, and sees a giant horned monster eating people.
Dizzy Doom The Valar tend to forgive people. They forgave Fëanor (presumably since there is no mention of him being doomed to some place other than the Halls of Mandos). They also forgave the elven race as a whole when Eärendil came.
That final shot of Talion walking away from the broken sword is so cool. It all began with that sword that belonged to his son. Talion kept it and used it as a dagger to enact his intention against Sauron. After everything that happened, Talion finally feels like he can let the sword go. As if saying "I'm done, I'll be there soon Dirhael."
The ending to Shadow of War actually fits into the themes of The Lord of the Rings very well. In the Lord of the Rings a recurring theme is one of corruption. Isildur was the king who defeated Sauron and he was corrupted by the One Ring. Smeagol was corrupted and turned into Gollum. It took decades but eventually Bilbo was corrupted. When Frodo shows him the ring in Rivendell he goes nuts over it. Gandalf refuses to even touch it because he's afraid of becoming corrupted. Galadriel predicts she would become the next Sauron if she had it. Boromir was a war hero who was corrupted just being in its proximity. At the end of the book and the film Frodo becomes corrupted and it's only because he didn't kill Gollum that the ring is destroyed. At the end of Shadow of Mordor, Celebrimbor mentions he'd like to pass onto the Undying Lands, but Talion wants to continue fighting Sauron. After they forge their own "perfect" ring Celebrimbor is drunk with the power he has that he wants to move on from Mordor to conquer the rest of Middle Earth. His goal of stopping Sauron is the same but his motivation has completely changed. He wants to become Sauron. Talion eventually becomes corrupted himself due to his use of Isildur's ring and joins the Nazgul proper. Even Etariel goes from wanting to destroy the Rings of Power to accepting Celebrimbor's ring. The Rings of Power turn previously good characters into evil beings and it happens almost universally.
Well. Almost everyone. The only one who the ring couldn't corrupt was... Samwise Gamgee. The book stated that Sam was so pure and simple that when he held the ring for a moment, and the ring showed him what he desired most (which was honestly just a lovely home with a lovely garden), he looked into the vision and scoffed at it. No other character who the ring tried to influence beaten back the corruption so easily, even if they were momentarily exposed to its influence. The only other character the ring couldn't tempt was Tom Bombadil, who is let's just say an incredibly powerful entity that is masking its true nature (Tom is written to be an enigma intentionally by Tolkien after all).
@@SupaL33tKillar welp, from the point of mythology, Bombadil is a chtonic spirit, a personification of wild Nature itself. neither the Dark, nor the Light can claim him
SupaL33tKillar Aragorn also resists it for a brief moment when he is offered it by Frodo in fotr but Sam resisted for much longer even though he did take a moment before giving it back to Frodo
For someone who preaches that stalemate is victory, Eltariel is super quick to get behind the idea of dominating the Nazgul when she literally just saw talion kill one. Celebrimbor straight up states his plan for world domination and Eltariel is just like: “where do I sign up?”. The worst part is she never apologizes to Talion for leaving him on the bridge even in her own dlc in which she’s back to “I’ll kill you when you get corrupted.” Which she was by siding with Celebrimbor
@@FraserSouris maybe, but the people who are corrupted are either punished for their deeds (boromir, Frodo, Gollum) or rightfully become the villains of the story (Saruman, Nazgul, Gollum,lol) neither of these happen to Eltariel, who is still the hero of the story despite stabbing the protagonist in the back and trying to help a tyrant get the tools he needs to dominate the world
@@rhysoverbeck5251 Because Eltariel's story isn't complete yet. Like, Talion and Celebrimbor didn't get punished in Shadow of Mordor, they got punished in Shadow of War. Eltariel's arc is her starting out with the moral high ground, getting corrupted by power and then eventually facing the consequences like how Talion, Celebrimbor, Boromir and Gollum did or becoming a villain with Celebrimbor This is like reading Fellowship of the Ring and complaining that Gollum isn't punished yet but Boromir was.
They didn’t do a good enough job showing her desperation. Eltariel was in exile hunting Nazgul, which was an impossible task since they never die. She’s meant to fall to temptation since she saw a way to eliminate Nazgûl and go home.
I had an orc with me from midway though shadow of Mordor all the way to the end of shadow of war, I made him the overlord of the final castle. Dush is and always will be the best fictional brother I ever had.
In the final stretch against the defense of gorgoroth brûz was my bodyguard and he saved me from a no chance and then a few seconds later he died and to say the least I shamed him at least 30 times
I have a brother his name is ur-benu but he became a maniac after I had to shame him so he could join my army now all he shouts is GORZNEG but he's the only loyal one I got if you could become blood brothers with orcs he would be my brother he used to be know as ur-benu the warborn but he's now my best orc called ur-benu the maniac he's the best pit fighter I got though he even helped me get undying loyalty by killing a orc 15 levels higher than him
I love the detail that Talion walks into the sunrise. Even though he was a ringbearer, he was strong enough to keep the gift of man. He'll pass into the Halls of Mandos, reserved for humans and will see his family again, wherever Mandos may send him. That's beautiful.
Agreed, he kept his humanity. Even through it all, all the deaths and all the killing, all the fighting the ring of isildur for 60 years, all the time spent all alone it seems, he kept his humanity, his selflessness and his will
@Kevin Fox So first off shadow of mordor and war aren't cannon. Secondly we only know of two of the ringwraiths the witch king and Kamul(might not be spelt right) he was an easterling or a man of Rhun. In the Return of the King Gothmog was theorized to a ringwraith. Finally the the different masks are just to distinguish the 3 other ringwraiths.
Well The Witch King was Saurons bitch whereas Talion was a former Rival who fought his rings Influence for decades. Giving someone like that any more power or even any Identity would most likelt turn him into a Brutus and no king wants a Brutus
I could deal with the series ending here (If not, please do continue), but I would absoloutely love to see them implement the nemisis system into other games (if not sequels). It is honestly the best AI system I have ever experienced. Just no microtransactions next time thank you!
@@salmonfish1031 If they don't do anything then why are they there? I played the game too, I know that the microtransactions were 110% unnecessary to the gameplay. But they were there. It was more an issue of blatant corporate greed in the over-all industry than it was an issue with this game specifically. Single-player game with micro-transactions, good god!
I love how at the end he didn't hesitate to drop his own sword, he was ready to be rid of it, but he had to look back at his sons sword (the broken one), Its like it took him a minute to realize all of that pain was finally coming to an end.
When my Talion became a ringwraith the default broken sword disappeared from my inventory but the dot that denotes new inventory items remained. I know it's a glitch, but I like to think that dot is the lingering memory Talion has for his son inspite of the sword being gone.
I find it interesting how talion always seems to be the most caring person in all of the shadow of mordor/war games. He is 100% willing to show mercy to those who seem worthy and he even tries to have small talk with celebrimbor every once in a while. But this trust leads to him getting betrayed by his allies multiple times. And then on top of that he seems to have the most will power out of any other character. He fights constantly for the gondorians and despite knowing his own limits as a normal human he fights constantly holding off dark forces for decades. He’s such a badass that has amazing motivation for most of the stuff he does
And it came out to be true.. both of them were evil in the end and tried to conquer the world. One of them was dark and the other light but both evil... the light is not always the right path...
Well, Morgoth is not dead. Just floating through oblivion without legs and arms, just a chest with head attached to it.^^ There is very funny fan-art and fanfiction about it. xD
He served Morgoth in the first age after that he's his own boss in the second and third age and as pointed out by SJ the Dagor Dagorath prophecy is not canon it was removed from the Silmarillion.
Tolkien wrote that Sauron “was only less evil than his master in that for long he served another and not himself.” As he grew more and more evil as the years went by, he wanted to underline his evolution by taking the name of the ultimate Dark entity in history, the spirit who served nobody but himself.
To be honest it’s true I mean before shadow of war talion kicked Sauron’s ass while wounded and if you think about it was he was also level 1 when beating Sauron plus Sauron had celebrimbor powering him up but talion still kicked his ass in a simple QTE
man what a shitty ending, and it all would have been fixed if the elf chick ended up fleeing from sauron and you some how get revenge on celebrimbor and said something like "hows this for petty revenge?". but here its like, oh yeah all that hard work to get to this point?, yeah fuck that fight the final boss with some side character you dont care about.
Denise Lau He also doesn't hesitate to drop his own sword, but he takes a moment to grip his son's broken sword before dropping it to the ground. (Don't give me credit for this, another dude in the comments made me realize this)
Nick P Talions story was sad but important, through his loss he was able to keep Mordor at war long enough to give middle earth enough time to destroy the ring
Preston Nance I know right? It took a while night for me to beat the shadow wars. It got really stupid to the point that I couldn't even care for my orc captains anymore. They just kept bleeding out left and right in the hopes of finally watching the ending. I was beginning to think they were doing that so some people would actually buy the microtransactions out of sheer frustration. Feelsbadman
It took you 40-50 hours to do act 4? Damn, that's bad, took me about 5 hours. Full game start to finish, all quests and side objectives done in 57 hours. Who likes short games that cost $60?
Did anyone Notice that no one in the Lord of the Rings universe knows how to put on a ring properly? They are all using the Index Finger instead of the Ring Finger. No Wonder everyone keeps losing their rings...
sparten593 They are rings of power - not wedding rings. Index fingers are much more controlling and diverse, making it quicker to put the ring on/off. (I know your only joking)
Well what you say DOES make sense but they never plan to take them off do they? And if someone tries to cut your finger off (*cough cough* Sauron *cough cough*) they the index finger is the first to go. And it is a joke but i still like talking as if its a serious topic XD
sparten593 Your index finger is infact much stronger (bone-wise) than a wedding finger. So I guess there is that? Granted, you could argue it is more exposed, but if someone such as Sauron was aiming to cut it off, I doubt either circumstances would make a difference. ...thinking about this way too much lol
I like to think he was also the one who took a torch to the face against Aragorn and was sniffing the hobbits out when leaning on the log in the first movie. :)
So I think the whole moral of the story for Lord of the Rings is that if you wish to defeat the greatest evils of the world all you have to do is cut their ring finger off. Seems simple enough.
I have found LOTR to be quite boring really, read the trilogy last year, it was quite decent but didn't find anything extraordinary. I liked ASOIAF better.
if you watch LOR you will see that lady galadriel said about doing same thing when frodo wanted to gave her the ring . a bright evil lord instead of a dark one . no one is really good
datboiwholived she already had a ring. But the 3 elves herself, elron( and the elf lord from the hobbit) have the rings of power. But Saurons ring was beyond powerful.
Jacob Bailey she also has 10 fingers, she could wear another ring. It doesn't matter that she already has one, she declined because she feared to change and become another "dark lord" and turn against her allies. Thranduil doesn't have a ring btw, as Thomas already said Gandalf has it and he got it from Cirdan when he arrived in middle-earth, not gil-galad. Cirdan got it from gil-galad. Gil-galad died before Gandalf arrived in middle-earth.
Don’t feel bad. He completed his original goals. He’s literally the reason it took Sauron so long to launch his invasion (bought over 60 years of time for Middle Earth) without him Middle Earth would have fallen quickly, his family would go unavenged as Sauran (who is the reason his family was killed) becomes ruler of everything, and finally he was released to the afterlife to be with his family after decades of fighting for good and brief time as a Nazgul
The difference between Celebrimbor and Talion was who they were as people. Talion wanted power to protect others. Celebrimbor wanted to control and dominate.
jared pope I mean, he saw his land destroyed, his people enslaved, his family butchered before him, he suffered torture and humiliation. It seems natural that Calebrimbor developed that lust for power, he never wanted to become a victim again, to be powerless as all he loves crumbles before him, so he wanted all the power and control. All things considered, its a standard reaction to such powerful trauma. Then he utilized acute narcissism to justify his actions to himself and others, who under utter despair before Sauron's growing might, were easily swayed by the superpowered cure for all their ills that just appeared out of nowhere, even one who is clearly mentally unhinged.
KaiserAfini we’ll put and in a lot of ways it shows how Talion despite experiencing trauma close to what Celebrimbor experienced stayed true to his morals and himself. He never wanted power for powers sake there was always a purpose for him. To defeat the dark Lord and avenge those he loved. In summary small scale typical hero thinking. Celebrimbor wanted more he wanted everything that was the dark lords even he’s complete obedience. I mean what a dick Celebrimbor clearly hasn’t seen lord of the rings fellowship of the ring to return of the king. She shelob however did.
jared pope Well, Talion had an advantage. According to the Silmarilion, humans, half-elves and dwarves have the ability to choose their fates. Elves are super gifted and physically immortal, but once their doom is upon them, all paths close. So when Sauron wronged both men in a similar fashion and brought his taint upon them, Calebrimbor's fate was sealed, while Talion could still choose a moral path (key word is could, it didn't prevent the second host from choosing power over justice). The smith is a truly sad character, all that power, knowledge, skill and ambition, yet they could not be used to protect anything he truly loved or even grant him peace.
That ending was... actually quite fitting... he fought so hard and so long, and unlike the other Nazghul, he ended up in in what looks quite strongly like Valinor, the closest thing Middle Earth has to a "Heaven"... and finally found peace.
actually not quite, humans have an afterlife in lord of the rings. imagine sovngarde mixed with a great open field where mankind roams free of strife and war (same symbolism when he throws away his sword) the reason they have an afterlife is because they can determine their own fate and are not bound to the fate of the world like the elves. you know how mankind values freedom so much? this is how Tolkien uses that hunger for freedom for the sake of what i call "the lore of mankind".
Technically speaking Tolkien wrote Middle-Earth and all of Arda to be just feigned and 'unremembered' history of OUR world. So, our afterlife essentially falls in line with that of real life. IN that Eru gave men the gift of death, but Morgoth made us fear it. Elves are immortal and will be constantly reincarnated in the same body after a time of cleansing in the Halls of Mandos. No one really knows what happens to Dwarves though, though some think Aule made his own Hals for them. The Silmarillion basically just says men will seek adventure and things within the confines of the world but never be satisfied until we die. The reason being if you look at the cosmology as being within OUR world and the fact Tolkien admitted the work reflected his own beliefs the more he wrote them what you're talking about is a version of heaven for mankind. Otherwise there wouldn't be a big issue about Elves and Men being together if we all ended up in the same place. We do not, the implication of Tolkien's work is that when this world is destroyed Dagor Dagorath (Armageddon) the Elves are destroyed along with it, but mankind will be side to side with the Ainur when a new song is sung creating a new world. AKA The new heaven and new Earth. It's Christian theology like it or not. Just spiced up with pagan ideology and uses where it suited Tolkien. So, yes Talion seems to be one of the excepted few who got to go to Valinor (although even Frodo died as he wasn't immortal even whilst in Valinor), but in the end he had to go beyond the confines of the world. IE to be with Eru.
I wish Talion could have gotten revenge on that she-elf for betraying him, after talking all that crap about the ring corrupting him he was still a better hope for middle earth than she was and she ended up using the ring to try and dominate and conquer.
I actually like how even Sauron himself admitted that Celembrimbor losing Talion was a mistake. Shows how powerful Talion's willpower is. If talion did fight sauron, he would have won and dominated him.
@@ink66 From finishing the game recently, the elf-story feels like cliffhanger where it never really says what happens to Celebrimbor. It might be that after their golum lord of the ring game, we might see continuation of the 4th age/new story spin-off regarding elf.
Anyone els noticed the awesome detail about how he just dropped his own sword like it was trash. But when he took his sons broken blade he looked at it for a bit, seemed somewhat hesitated to drop it, and probably intentionally dropped it so it would land like that. A silent nod to his beloved son.
dont give away the brotherhoods reasons on youtube its only going to make it easier for those fu**ing templer bastards to join us and destory us fromthe inside like that lucy bitch tried
I like this ending for talion because it gives him peace after years and years of fighting the darkness in him and the forces of darkness. I just wish he wasnt banished from death
The point is he got his final release and was given death after Sauran was defeated, releasing him to be vulnerable to a fatal blow. He likely felt the disconnection and wanting to go to his family in the afterlife, flew into the fireball he easily could have dodged to die ASAP. My mans been fighting for over 60 years. It gets tiring at a certain point
Would it not be funny if Talion was the one that constanyly sabotages the dark lords plans by leading his fellow Nazgul to do incopitent stuff like being caught in a flood and being burned by Aragorn.
If this game gets a sequel, I hope it's not with that she-elf. She was a terrible person for accepting the New Ring and leaving Talion to die and rot with a bunch of other orc corpses. Definitely not a character I'd want to play with, I'd have really bad experience.
Damn, I'll never be able to look at that last Nazgul from the movie getting whacked with that fireball the same way again. Such a badass and sad ending. Talion paved the way for Frodo and Sam to end Sauron, but he'll never be known for it.
Talion even makes a note of this in the first game. "There will be no metals or glory for us, Calebrimbor." "Maybe. But we must fight so that others have the chance to be heroes."
This isnt cannon. Talion never existed. Celebrimbor was actually a good person and never forged the one ring. Just the 3 elven rings. "Unlike both his father and grandfather, Celebrimbor was selfless and kind, and neither prideful nor covetous of what he created. He was described to have an "almost Dwarvish obsession with crafts"[5]; he became a famous artificer and smith in both Gondolin and Eregion. His love for crafts took him to Eregion, where he was introduced to a precious metal which he called mithril. Mithril was mined by Dwarves in nearby Khazad-dûm, later named Moria. Great friendship with the Dwarves of Moria developed, and skills and secrets were shared between Moria and Eregion for many years via the high road. But a long period of peace would not last, for upon realizing the trap which Sauron had devised for him, Celebrimbor was filled with anxiety and fear for his people, and was later described as the heroic defender of Eregion."
@@nickninja27 it's game canon, just as books are book canon, and movies movie canon. There can be multiple canons, because of the creator. What makes a series canon? Recognition, lore, or something els. No, a story is a story. There is no true way to tell a story, nor is there a bad way to tell it.
NewbridgePiano That would give him an identity - yet he lost himself and is now a shell of his previous self and a slave. I like him being the same as it emphasizes what personality he has: none.
I thought the ending was so good it was hard seeing the main character I grew attached to leave but it was comforting knowing he can live in peace for eternity after decades of fighting.
Ending for Talion Explained: He takes Isiuldurs ring: Takes Minas Morgul and banishes the Witch-King, the rest of Nazgul fall back and retreat to barad-dur He keeps the armies of Mordor at bay for decades: When the witch kings returns as his original form with the rest of the Nazgul he persuades Talion to join the Nine (This makes it literally the Nine) Celibrimbor and Sauron become one until the free people of Middle Earth destroyed Sauron once and for all. Talion was free to roam what is probably Valinor and returned to his family and found peace.
You fuckwits defending this are unbelievable. It is CLEARLY an attempt to get you to buy their lootboxes to gain stronger orcs and finish the Shadow Wars faster and unlock the end cutscene.
So I initially hated the ending... but when I put in perspective I seems rather fitting for an LoTR ending. But man I really wanted Talion to fight against Celembrimbor or the she-elf... get a piece of his own pie. Now I totally get the "sacrifice" Shelob was referring to. Quite good ending after marinating with it.... Hope this isn't the last adventure with Talion but it looks like it.
spoilers the Blade of Galadriel DLC ending and main character are way worse than the base game true ending, in fact the whole DLC is a huge pile of shit all over poor Talion's legacy and achievements... it made everyone rage pretty bad...... avoid it.
Yeah its non-canon anyway i wish they made the game a What if story but still the nazgul are loyal to the one ring it would be cool if they just make talion have a powerful willpower for revenge and he cant be dominated by sauron nor celebrimbor like the orcs that can withstand domination a third game like that would be cool
Brandon Berry for decades. It’s kind of cool how he retains control for so many years and most likely in complete silence with no one else to talk to save for orcs of course. He fought so hard for so long he was finally rewarded with everlasting peace
Which makes no sense because, lore wise, there was no buying time, it just takes very long to summon up an army of millions, as was necessary to take over Middle-Earth. I mean, irl today that would take decades. Irl 500 years age that would've taken centuries of planning...as it did in LotR
I do like how insane the first war was. We're talking a legion of Bal Rogs flying ships filled with angels...a mountain sized dragon. Really puts Sauron and how deeply screwed and scarred middle earth is in perspective.
L Shadow it's true that Sauron did serve Morgoth in the first age but after Morgoth got sent to the void, Sauron took his place as the new dark lord so in the time of the second and third age of middle earth he wasn't serving anyone
Technically, Shelob retelling this tale is a little odd.. Considering she tried to kill the Ringbearer and got her ass handed to her by a freaking gardener.
The lore behind Shelob, what little is talked about by Tolkien, indicates that she is part demon as well as as this aberration of a spider. This comes from the fact that she's the last child of Ungoliant, and that chick was definitely half demon. Basing this line of logic somewhat off of Judeo-Christian mythology and angelology, being demonic would suggest that at one point the mother of spiders was a spirit or the hybrid daughter of one, and as a half Maia, she was corrupted and seduced by Morgoth back in the First Age. Therefore, her kids would be of fallen Maiar descent too, and have access to crazy abilities like illusory manipulation to appear as they choose, kind of like Sauron becoming elflike and beautiful as a callback to his ex-Maia self. Fast forward to Third Age, they also state that technically Shelob was independent of Sauron's influence. So this Shadow of War plotline is cool with me only because of that hypothetical concept that she is like a chaotic neutral being with leanings towards the Darkness because of her heritage, but also a sense of honor. It doesn't explain why she would just eat the guy who planned to bear the Ring to Mount Doom and destroy her rival in Sauron, but it does fill some origin story plot holes. It's hard for me to believe a mindless creature could live for millennia without being sentient and having more power than just being big and scary.
Got to hand it to Talion, fought off Sauron for pretty much half a century before finally being corrupted. I’m glad he eventually found peace after all the battles he fought.
The Assassin Spy In terms of combat, yes. But the Witch King is more dominant when it comes to other forms of power. I quite like the same masks. Talion loses his identity along with the rest of the Nazgul. Remember as Gandalf said "if they had a name, it has long since been forgotten"... that wasn't Talion, he was now the same as the others - nothing but a servant of evil... lifeless. No need for any distinguishing features.
So you think he went back to talion ? (What I do not get is talion became a nasgul but he is still a wrath attached to his own body yet becomes invisible )
wenhamschloff luckier than mine...mine died from in the assault on the tower and got his head cut off, he came back to life and actually saved me from an enemy and im like "dude I love you" then during the shadow wars he accidentally bled to death but came back to life and was mad and started fighting me, he had Iron will so I continued shaming him and he became deranged so I finally recruited him again, just to have him get executed again during the shadow wars missing an arm and stabbed in the stomach, then I got to resurrect him sooo ya my bro from shadow of mordor has died quite a bit im sure he just wants to die now In other words my dude has died about 3 times and ya he is a zombie now that I resurected him and he is still deranged so he is living a pretty good life with me in charge, honestly if he dies again I might just let him die because of how many times he has died, I feel bad, let me know what you guys think let gim die finally or keep him around
That bastard came after me to avenge the blood brother he never had. After that I had to shame him but I didn't get around to force him back into the fold and then he ambushed me in another part of morder but got away while I was fighting another captain just to get his head chopped of by me during the final assault.
So celembrimbor betrayed tailion and tried to dominate sauron (failed and became 1 with him) and tailion became a nazgul Then after the lord of the rings movies tailion is no longer cursed and stops fighting I did not see that ending coming......
They are talking about the game not the story mate We all know it is not cannon due to jrr token law and that he created the books ages ago Well done to spot that
QuiteDaPlayer_ maybe not to the books, but I'm 100% sure it is with the movie. I clearly remember a couple of years ago that Peter Jackson was working with Monolith to fit Shadow of Mordor into the movies. I remember Monolith saying on multiple occasions that the Shadow of franchise is canon. Why would they put so much time and money into this franchise to only have it be non canon, that's just retarded. Also, it's not up to you on whether or not it's canon (or just canon to the movies). If we're talking about the movies, then that's up to Jackson to confirm. Until then, stop spreading that bullshit.
The problem is that talion is the only cool character in the game and in a sequel with who are u playing baranor ,that she-elf. The only character that is cool is talion
Whatever you guys say about microtransactions i dont care this game was an incredible experience for me This time the story was epic too and I am not gonna lie i will miss Talion and Celembrimbor
The story was fantastic compared to the last one, right up until the end of Act 3 where everything became a sprint to the finish and then the game became a grind. Personally, I messed around with the new powers for a bit and would love to have much more time with them, but after hearing about what Act 4 has in stock for me I decided to pass it and just watch the ending. The only way I am returning to this game is if I get a lot of free time on my hands or if I hear the DLC is worth playing, and hopefully not dragged out. Especially that Desolation of Mordor one which intrigues me a lot.
The microtransactions controversy behind this game was *hugely* exaggerated anyway. You never needed to purchase loot box resources as the game always rewarded you with more resources than you'd ever need by just playing though it, there was no "paywall" at the end of the game as you had to go through the same number of Shadow War missions regardless of how many loot boxes you purchased and the only way to lessen the endgame grind was by either lowering the difficulty settings or by simply dominating attacking orcs (which made purchasing loot box allies utterly pointless), and even if you did want to purchase loot boxes you could still do so through numerous in-game means like through mirian currency, completing in-game challenges, doing online missions and so on.
I pirated it and played it without internet and got 100 % completion, no need for microtransactions or that shit, then I felt guilty over how good the game was and bought it.
so talion becomes a nazgul, but finally is freed after the ring is destroyed to finally be in heaven with his wife and son, hmm thats actually a pretty nice ending.
The sacrifice Talion made was extraordinary!!! All that time protecting the world and no one even knows about him. He sacrificed all that time instead of passing over to eternal life with his loved ones.
Ranger kept him alive long enough to survive, he’s probably in a cave somewhere with an elderly cranky Ranger while Aragorn rules and probably dies with Ranger around the time Aragorn dies.
@Berserkgaming maybe it wasnt so unlucky actually.. maybe he deliberatly flew into its path cuz he knew what that meant for him and was ready to finally rest in peace and rejoin his family. also my personal headcanon is that Talion was the Naz'gul that both got burned with the torch by Aragorn and looked down in the tree stump and knew they were there but was like "fuck Sauron I'm going to pretend I dont notice them." in his head. XD
Sekira yeah I think you have a point because he released the previous owner of the Nazgul ring and he wanted him to finally as he said “Find peace in death”. Maybe he also understood he couldn’t live like that
Yeah he is cool character. But in my opinion if they ever going make sequel i hope they leave Talion out of this. He fought against Sauron for decades and he also fought FOR Sauron for decades. He is been through enough shit.
Talion actually grew on me. I thought he had no personality and was no fun for the most part of the two games, even while loving these games to death. Kudos for a very good story and a very fitting tribute to Tolkien's amazing universe.
@@wildrussiansnake8978 That means there is ONE ending lol. Complete the game and its all stages (10 Stages) and you finish the game. I only see one ending.
Don't really need to see the 'true' ending. The act three ending basically spoiled enough the minute Tallon put on a ring of power to live. Being in possession of any ring of power makes the bearer a walking time-bomb that will eventually serve Sauron or die in order to get to someone who will serve Sauron.
based on where this is in the timeline, he gave middle earth 75 years.if we take Gandalf, Saruman and Galadriel's purge of minas morghul around the battle of five armies as the point of shadow of mordors start if bilbo went at that point he would have fell before mount doom. Tallion and Celebrimbor gave Middle Earth the one thing it needed the most. Time.
Dwarves are the true good race. Sitting under a mountain mining for treasure & getting drunk with your pals whilst roasting other races seems like the way to go.
While I don't like the fact that they technically didn't win, and Talion becomes another nazghul and celebrimbor is just like sauron, you have to admit this is pretty much exactly what Tolkien would write as an ending for something like this and eventually Talion does find peace
It really is, Tolkien is probably smiling down upon the creators of this game. Him as a Christian would highly support the entire series, as Gorey as it can get, due to the Christian philosophy of one man dying to himself in order to save all others, and while this is a stretch, I still believe the similarities are enough that Tolkien would be proud.
Nine Lives Tolkien wasn't the type to portray main characters as shades of grey, look at Aragorn, Gandalf, and Sauron for example, Sauron is literally pure evil while Gandalf and Aragorn were just good guys, and this style of fantasy writing was what George R.R. Martin changed with GoT.
The Raven King it’s one of those things. I doubt many people saw the true ending for talion but a lot will have seen the betrayal and the creation of the eye.
He ultimately avenged his family, saved Middle Earth, and showed his strength and threat to Sauran by resisted the power of corruption of Isildur’s ring for over 60 years and finally received the true death he had wanted to go to the afterlife with his family
Talion never really fought for revenge. In both games Talion's "soul" concern was protecting the living so long as he deemed it worth protecting. By the second one you can see how Talion no longer cares for revenge when he tells Ratbag that he is honored because he named a good friend after him. He even fought to protect Ranger when he knew very little from him but simply associated him with Ratbag. Revenge slipped away from Talion a long time ago, Celebrimbor just learned how to deceive using Sauron's method. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he developed some kind of homosexual feelings as that is the only thing on his mind is to "dominate" Sauron.
So he get betray by Bruz AND Calebrimbor?
No wonder he joined the Nazgul, they seem to be the only ones who wanted Talion.
they may be dark, unrelenting, merciless brutes but at least they care about a brother
I was really sad when Bruz pulled that shit, he was awesome.
Sux bruz betrays talion i liked him
Love this comment
Am I the only one who thought bruz was annoying and was glad he betrayed talion?
I just realised. When Bruz said “bright lord, dark lord, same thing really” was that foreshadowing?
Yep
@@secretcommunist7930 bruz was a big brain boi
CS short ok until we destroyed his brain
@@bruhski136 one of the few orcs I could see quoting Shakespeare
Foreshadow of War
Ratbag was more loyal than that freaking elf
+1
Ratbag for life baby!
Eltariel or Celebrimbor?
Coz both were a bunch of hoes if you ask me.
Agreed
Ratbag rules
Funny how the Witch-King seemed more sympathetic to Talion than Celembrimbor, and even offered him some small consolation, calling him his brother and all
A friend in need is a friend indeed
Sure, a friend who says "Join us in ruining everything good about this world". How loving.
@@lancecurry7538 Fun activities that my friends do every Tuesday
@@MatthewAMel underrated
@@MatthewAMel NICE
"Bright lord, dark lord, same thing really" - Bruz the Chopper
He knew all along that's why he betrayed us to stop us from spreading across Mordor in away he was the most loyal follower
"I dont want the fort" -Bruz the Chopper
The amount of goddamned foreshadowing in this game
In a way it was a pinch to Celebrimbor about him not really caring who’s side he was on as long as he could kill. But yes, it was foreshadowing.
@@painted5887 Which is why Celebrimbor took it so harshly. (Granted I was peeved too but looking at it this way does make me feel less hateful about his vengeance...especially since I can't help but feel bad for the uruks that were driven insane accidentally by my shaming cause they were too high to own, but still). I was the kind of player that tried to brand and own all uruks I could, and boy was it a pain in Minas Morgul when there would be a chain of valuable uruks...who persistently had the iron will trait until they were in the teens.
"I am one... but we are many."
Shadow of War has plenty of flaws, but that line was hauntingly good.
Especially when you consider, in the flesh he really is just one, but he is one of the thousands of men who gave their lives for Gondor and for good
Fun fact it originated from the bible
Thats was one heck of a punch line
Hexx Gear It’s also a song
Legion
"You are but a vessel and there are others" That betrayal really hurt but talion still made the right decisions and is the most selfless hero in this story
I personally think talion is the best character that was made for purpose of a game.
after celembrimor said that , i was like " damn , i thought we were comrades" and felt like he betray me personally
@@pretender1483 i never trusted that damn elf from the beginning.
Im happy you put "in this story" lol, because it wasnt that selfless but jeeeezzzzz the people in this game are fucked up lol
@@solitude_guard8756 same, the only elves I'd ever trust are Legolas, Arwen and Lord Elrond. The rest are a bunch of soulless, scheming assholes with no loyalties, drowning in their own hubris.
I remember when I used to find level 25 orcs threatening
Same
RIGHT
The good old days when you found a level 15 captain and saw him as a challenge 😂
@@theforgottenscotsman7659 yea
Play on nemesis difficulty, lvl 30 beserker orcs will one shot you when you're lvl 80
Sauron: Dark Lord
Celebrimbor: Bright Lord
Talion: Edge Lord
DOGGOMMANDER he's got my vote
Talion: Green Lord
TheUrbanRanger AND MY AXE!!!!!1
Bitch Lord
DOGGOMMANDER The Witch-King's successor.
So you’re telling me that tallion was strong enough to use a ring of Sauron for 60 years without falling to corruption, damn talk about a true badass
The Amazing Crarthur He fought death, and won. He fought power, and won. He fought corruption, and he fought valiantly. In the end, he was a brave and noble Man-but just that-a Man.
I dont think he did use the ring of sauron, more like the ring wraith/Nazhgul were looking for the ring.
But even if he did then it might because hes combined with a stronger spirit
He uses one of the nine for 60 years without being corrupted without celebrimbor's spirit.
Actually all you need is enough will-power to resist.
Even a normal person, weak in body but strong in mind, can resist against the whispered promise of true power.
But at the end the ring is stronger after all and everyone would fall.
Well to be fair, Sauron was dealing with Celebrimbor fighting for control as they became one being, so more or less those decades where spent when Sauron was nowhere near full power. When Sauron regained his power, Talion fell
Dont get me wrong i love this ending.... But who else really wanted a Celebrembor vs Talion fight?
GageMS4243 me I did if it was me I would've ended the she elf ended celebrimbor and kept the silver ring and fought sauron foreva
Rikaku Tenshima dude, you could kill sauron given enough time, as evidenced in the movies, they destroyed the ring so sauron was gone practically forever.
Xenon Zenith the dark lords will never rule over the kekistanis
Ryan H damn right
I loved this ending 100%. Yes I would've liked to fight celebrimbor and dominate him instead of him doing the dominating. A third game is likely to happen, celebrimbor's life force is fused in the silver ring which was not destroyed.
Sauron: I serve no one!
Morgoth: Ahem.
Sauron: Almost no one.
isnt morgoth dead?
@@tylernicholas7481 No. He's been banished into the void but he'll be back eventually.
@@malsserenity3679 I don't think Sauron cares Morgoth. I can expect this line actually.
Lol
What is morgoth again
Love how Shelob ignored the part where Samwise stuck it to her good and proper
This game is a prequel to LotR
she took one for the team, lol
@@Amphyb wait then why did she kidnap Frodo in the first place? seems kinds self-destructive to hinder the hero who has the one thing that can destroy ur most hated foe.. maybe she wanted to destroy it herself instead? or perhaps saw thru the Web of Fate that the event had to happen so she went and did it anyway despite thinking it was a bad idea. I mean idk XD
@@sekira4516 yup. you never know what could have happen. maybe it was the only scenario where Frodo didn't fatally trip over a rock on his way to Mount Doom, lol :)
Rywolf it should be obvious if you read the silmarillion and the Lotr books as well as the hobbit, all of this, isn't canon, cause well, i highly doubt one see through boy, celebrimbor, and a bargain brand female Legolas, eltariel, can defeat one of the maiar, sauron, also helm hammerhand was born 5000 years after the nine nazgul were created, same with isildur but in his case only 1000 years, and Minas ithil fell in the second age, to be honest this was more of a 'hey let's follow lore but put in our own just to make this more interesting' also Shelob was just a giant, dangerous, spider in the actual lore, which the movies follow as absolute best they can, she wasn't able to shapeshift, or even give a damn about the struggles of middle earth so long as she could continue to eat, also only two of the nine had names, the witch King, and the second in command khamul (spellcheck) the easterling, so yea while this is a interesting story, it's all non-canon my friend
and Ratbag joins the Shire and becomes a good person.
ratbag was always good
If there's ever a sequel or another game we may learn of what happens to Ratbag and Ranger.
Rat bag either should live in retirement or deserve an honourable death
"Becomes" the main reason ratbag was never promoted by himself is cuase he was too soft
If Ratbag will ever die in the future game/s he deserves either an honourable death or a death shared with Ranger.
Lol remember when you first recruit bruz and he says "dark lord bright lord, eh, makes no difference"
Jake Weatherly it actually goes "dark lord bright lord same thing really" but still good point
foreshadowing is a real bitch some times
Then he broke my heart :(
He knew it all!!!!!
Jake Weatherly doesn't shelob say u and sauron are the same
"this is not the end I have fought for"
"you are not the only one fighting"
Me- you didn't do shit little miss plot convenience
so true
you won the internet
Same...
Eltariel is just teaming with the elves against men
Ha
In the end, Talion got the peace he deserved. On the Shores of Valinor, his journey ended, and the ones he left behind... all those orcs, all those uruks who served faithfully and completely...
They felt an emotion they never expected. An emotion Morgoth had tried and failed to kill. They felt grief, and sadness, at the loss of a lord. At the loss of a friend.
Is that canon? The captains and soldiers of Talion felt his loss?
Jotaro Kujo I imagine so. Ratbag, Ranger, they genuinely loved him as a friend.
Jotaro Kujo it’s never stated but I imagine so, considering they were connected to the Ring that bonded them and their master
Ratbag was probably the most loyal Uruk, and he was never branded.
@Narcisista umm no considering he got branded in the first game for information
That has a unique beauty to me. The fact that Talion, a great freedom fighter, willingly donned one of the Nazgul rings to try and protect his country. That he resisted turning for decades, when most of the Nazgul turned in less than a year. And that he laid down his arms, the years of age given back in the afterlife, and found solace at long last. That brings a whole new dimension to the gaming experience, that is what makes a great game incredible. Fantastic.
couldn't agree more
Which is hilarious, given knowledge of what happens to those who aid Sauron and Morgoth, unwillingly or otherwise, in actual lore. Still, it's a fine enough ending.
There is mention of specific warriors being resurrected to fight against Morgoth in special circumstances, so that could make for a good third game lol. Talion walks into the light, ready to relax, and sees a giant horned monster eating people.
He be like: 'Is u serius ri nou?!'
Dizzy Doom The Valar tend to forgive people. They forgave Fëanor (presumably since there is no mention of him being doomed to some place other than the Halls of Mandos). They also forgave the elven race as a whole when Eärendil came.
That final shot of Talion walking away from the broken sword is so cool. It all began with that sword that belonged to his son. Talion kept it and used it as a dagger to enact his intention against Sauron. After everything that happened, Talion finally feels like he can let the sword go. As if saying "I'm done, I'll be there soon Dirhael."
The ending to Shadow of War actually fits into the themes of The Lord of the Rings very well.
In the Lord of the Rings a recurring theme is one of corruption. Isildur was the king who defeated Sauron and he was corrupted by the One Ring. Smeagol was corrupted and turned into Gollum. It took decades but eventually Bilbo was corrupted. When Frodo shows him the ring in Rivendell he goes nuts over it. Gandalf refuses to even touch it because he's afraid of becoming corrupted. Galadriel predicts she would become the next Sauron if she had it. Boromir was a war hero who was corrupted just being in its proximity. At the end of the book and the film Frodo becomes corrupted and it's only because he didn't kill Gollum that the ring is destroyed.
At the end of Shadow of Mordor, Celebrimbor mentions he'd like to pass onto the Undying Lands, but Talion wants to continue fighting Sauron. After they forge their own "perfect" ring Celebrimbor is drunk with the power he has that he wants to move on from Mordor to conquer the rest of Middle Earth. His goal of stopping Sauron is the same but his motivation has completely changed. He wants to become Sauron. Talion eventually becomes corrupted himself due to his use of Isildur's ring and joins the Nazgul proper. Even Etariel goes from wanting to destroy the Rings of Power to accepting Celebrimbor's ring. The Rings of Power turn previously good characters into evil beings and it happens almost universally.
Power is the most intoxicating drug/drink there is regardless of how minimal the amount it is.
Well. Almost everyone. The only one who the ring couldn't corrupt was... Samwise Gamgee. The book stated that Sam was so pure and simple that when he held the ring for a moment, and the ring showed him what he desired most (which was honestly just a lovely home with a lovely garden), he looked into the vision and scoffed at it. No other character who the ring tried to influence beaten back the corruption so easily, even if they were momentarily exposed to its influence.
The only other character the ring couldn't tempt was Tom Bombadil, who is let's just say an incredibly powerful entity that is masking its true nature (Tom is written to be an enigma intentionally by Tolkien after all).
Would it be better if Talion was instead corrupted by the New Ring?
@@SupaL33tKillar welp, from the point of mythology, Bombadil is a chtonic spirit, a personification of wild Nature itself. neither the Dark, nor the Light can claim him
SupaL33tKillar Aragorn also resists it for a brief moment when he is offered it by Frodo in fotr but Sam resisted for much longer even though he did take a moment before giving it back to Frodo
Talion-"I should have died with my Family!"
Celebrimbor- "I thought you wanted Revenge!"
Arthur - "Revenge is a Fool's game " ;)
LMFAO 😂😂
So true.
Haha yessssss
if celebrimbor stuck to the god damn plan they could be in tahiti right now
Why do you have a big chungus profile picture it’s 2020
@@sillygoose2878 shut yo bichass up
For someone who preaches that stalemate is victory, Eltariel is super quick to get behind the idea of dominating the Nazgul when she literally just saw talion kill one. Celebrimbor straight up states his plan for world domination and Eltariel is just like: “where do I sign up?”. The worst part is she never apologizes to Talion for leaving him on the bridge even in her own dlc in which she’s back to “I’ll kill you when you get corrupted.” Which she was by siding with Celebrimbor
Isn't that the whole point of LOTR? That it's easy to get corrupted by Rings of Power and lose your principles.
@@FraserSouris maybe, but the people who are corrupted are either punished for their deeds (boromir, Frodo, Gollum) or rightfully become the villains of the story (Saruman, Nazgul, Gollum,lol) neither of these happen to Eltariel, who is still the hero of the story despite stabbing the protagonist in the back and trying to help a tyrant get the tools he needs to dominate the world
@@rhysoverbeck5251 Because Eltariel's story isn't complete yet.
Like, Talion and Celebrimbor didn't get punished in Shadow of Mordor, they got punished in Shadow of War. Eltariel's arc is her starting out with the moral high ground, getting corrupted by power and then eventually facing the consequences like how Talion, Celebrimbor, Boromir and Gollum did or becoming a villain with Celebrimbor
This is like reading Fellowship of the Ring and complaining that Gollum isn't punished yet but Boromir was.
They didn’t do a good enough job showing her desperation. Eltariel was in exile hunting Nazgul, which was an impossible task since they never die. She’s meant to fall to temptation since she saw a way to eliminate Nazgûl and go home.
@goblo023 That's actually the best in character explanation I've heard. Good thinking.
I had an orc with me from midway though shadow of Mordor all the way to the end of shadow of war, I made him the overlord of the final castle. Dush is and always will be the best fictional brother I ever had.
In the final stretch against the defense of gorgoroth brûz was my bodyguard and he saved me from a no chance and then a few seconds later he died and to say the least I shamed him at least 30 times
I have a brother his name is ur-benu but he became a maniac after I had to shame him so he could join my army now all he shouts is GORZNEG but he's the only loyal one I got if you could become blood brothers with orcs he would be my brother he used to be know as ur-benu the warborn but he's now my best orc called ur-benu the maniac he's the best pit fighter I got though he even helped me get undying loyalty by killing a orc 15 levels higher than him
Saw an orc called dùsh the massive I dont know if it was ù or ú
I had a great rivalry with a rhymer, greatest rivalry ive ever had, R.I.P my rivalry brother
I used to have a brother but he died after saving my life
I love the detail that Talion walks into the sunrise. Even though he was a ringbearer, he was strong enough to keep the gift of man. He'll pass into the Halls of Mandos, reserved for humans and will see his family again, wherever Mandos may send him.
That's beautiful.
Agreed, he kept his humanity. Even through it all, all the deaths and all the killing, all the fighting the ring of isildur for 60 years, all the time spent all alone it seems, he kept his humanity, his selflessness and his will
There are no "Good" "Bad" "True" Endings. There is only one ending.
YES i just commented about that!!
One ending to finish it all
Really
@@InconspicuousBread313 yes
Exacly and that 1st misson they did in the vid is not the ending ya gotta hold ya forts
''This is not about your petty vengeance, Or mine.''
''I just want to rule Sauron, than Mordon and then Whole Middle Earth. Nothing personal Talion''
I said the same thing
Yeah you want death I want that same thing really
Talion held back the tides of Mordor for 60 or so years, thanks to his gambling addiction.
so how was he killed then old age i wonder when the morder army broke his line and killed him
@roger cook poor Talion killed by a goddamn hobbit well at least hes back with his wife and son now
lol
@@robert23456789 Not any old hobbit!! the son of BILBO baggins!
@@kanavkohli794 nephew.
Not sure why sauron made talion a basic nazgul instead of the leader considering he beat the witch king
I think that’s cause he merged with celebrimhor and lost his physical form
Mr. Hord Not everything evil is orcs in the Nemesis System.
@Kevin Fox So first off shadow of mordor and war aren't cannon.
Secondly we only know of two of the ringwraiths the witch king and Kamul(might not be spelt right) he was an easterling or a man of Rhun. In the Return of the King Gothmog was theorized to a ringwraith.
Finally the the different masks are just to distinguish the 3 other ringwraiths.
Well The Witch King was Saurons bitch whereas Talion was a former Rival who fought his rings Influence for decades. Giving someone like that any more power or even any Identity would most likelt turn him into a Brutus and no king wants a Brutus
Wtf sauron does not control talion ?!??
Sauron: I serve no One
Morgoth:(*dissapointing noise*)
well morgoth was locked forever. If sauron had more power he could betray Morgoth.
that was what i was thinking
Z
Morgoth is foretold to break out of his prison during Dagor Dagorath, even Sauron isn’t going to be messing with that
Jinxler John heh
Morgoth gonna breathe and Sauron will be on the other side of existence
I could deal with the series ending here (If not, please do continue), but I would absoloutely love to see them implement the nemisis system into other games (if not sequels). It is honestly the best AI system I have ever experienced. Just no microtransactions next time thank you!
Blade of galadriel expansion leaves it wide open for a sequel with eltariel as the main character.
why is everyone so pissed about microtransactions lol you could just not buy them you don't need them to win at all
Honestly this is the one game where microtransactions DO NOT matter. You could say, this is one game to rule them all.
They could totally do that for Star Wars.
@@salmonfish1031 If they don't do anything then why are they there? I played the game too, I know that the microtransactions were 110% unnecessary to the gameplay. But they were there. It was more an issue of blatant corporate greed in the over-all industry than it was an issue with this game specifically. Single-player game with micro-transactions, good god!
I love how at the end he didn't hesitate to drop his own sword, he was ready to be rid of it, but he had to look back at his sons sword (the broken one), Its like it took him a minute to realize all of that pain was finally coming to an end.
REIVIORSE Yeah, the broken sword of his will never be replaced.
REIVIORSE indeed. Acharn, Vengeance, Everything he fought for
When my Talion became a ringwraith the default broken sword disappeared from my inventory but the dot that denotes new inventory items remained. I know it's a glitch, but I like to think that dot is the lingering memory Talion has for his son inspite of the sword being gone.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment, but Acharn doesn't disappear from your inventory. It just gets a new look.
No it basically upgrades itself into a legendary weapon
I find it interesting how talion always seems to be the most caring person in all of the shadow of mordor/war games. He is 100% willing to show mercy to those who seem worthy and he even tries to have small talk with celebrimbor every once in a while. But this trust leads to him getting betrayed by his allies multiple times. And then on top of that he seems to have the most will power out of any other character. He fights constantly for the gondorians and despite knowing his own limits as a normal human he fights constantly holding off dark forces for decades. He’s such a badass that has amazing motivation for most of the stuff he does
No kidding, held off the ring for 60 odd years even though he knew for a fact he would fall
"Bright lord, dark lord, same thing really"
「The Planet 」 bruz quote love it
~ Bruz The Chopper, the first ally you get at Act II.
Betrays you because he knows you were going to betray him anyways.
End result is me ripping spines off which i like to do anyway ;)
And it came out to be true.. both of them were evil in the end and tried to conquer the world. One of them was dark and the other light but both evil... the light is not always the right path...
What stand is that 😂😂
Sauron: I SERVE NO ONE
Ok. Then what was that stuff with Morgoth?
Count Spartula "I serve no one that hasn't been pushed out of reality via the door at the end of the world"
Well, Morgoth is not dead.
Just floating through oblivion without legs and arms, just a chest with head attached to it.^^
There is very funny fan-art and fanfiction about it. xD
He served Morgoth in the first age after that he's his own boss in the second and third age and as pointed out by SJ the Dagor Dagorath prophecy is not canon it was removed from the Silmarillion.
He don't serve Morgoth, because, he was his lover
Tolkien wrote that Sauron “was only less evil than his master in that for long he served another and not himself.” As he grew more and more evil as the years went by, he wanted to underline his evolution by taking the name of the ultimate Dark entity in history, the spirit who served nobody but himself.
"You lost the Ranger. That was a mistake" - Sauron is right
Rudy 285 but I still get killed by that bastard assasin
Saurons actually says that in game?
yea its a phrase he uses during the battle
To be honest it’s true I mean before shadow of war talion kicked Sauron’s ass while wounded and if you think about it was he was also level 1 when beating Sauron plus Sauron had celebrimbor powering him up but talion still kicked his ass in a simple QTE
man what a shitty ending, and it all would have been fixed if the elf chick ended up fleeing from sauron and you some how get revenge on celebrimbor and said something like "hows this for petty revenge?". but here its like, oh yeah all that hard work to get to this point?, yeah fuck that fight the final boss with some side character you dont care about.
I can't get over how amazing the Nazgul flashback cutscenes were in this game. Gave me the chills.
I like the ending on how he shed his armour and dropped his swords. It’s a symbol of his freedom and peace; he no longer has to fight.
His war is finally over.
Denise Lau He also doesn't hesitate to drop his own sword, but he takes a moment to grip his son's broken sword before dropping it to the ground.
(Don't give me credit for this, another dude in the comments made me realize this)
And also the same flower he gave to his wife before she died is growing right beside his broken sword
Nick P Talions story was sad but important, through his loss he was able to keep Mordor at war long enough to give middle earth enough time to destroy the ring
Compared to the original, this ending is far superior. I mean let's be honest, nobody want's there game to end with a freaking quick time event.
TimesUpize u are so right
People should like these endings more
unless it is a God of War QTE where Kratos rips Sauron's spine out his front and beats him to death with it
I’d rather it be a QTE for the real ending than a 40-50 hour grind for the real ending
Preston Nance I know right? It took a while night for me to beat the shadow wars. It got really stupid to the point that I couldn't even care for my orc captains anymore. They just kept bleeding out left and right in the hopes of finally watching the ending. I was beginning to think they were doing that so some people would actually buy the microtransactions out of sheer frustration. Feelsbadman
It took you 40-50 hours to do act 4? Damn, that's bad, took me about 5 hours. Full game start to finish, all quests and side objectives done in 57 hours. Who likes short games that cost $60?
Did anyone Notice that no one in the Lord of the Rings universe knows how to put on a ring properly? They are all using the Index Finger instead of the Ring Finger. No Wonder everyone keeps losing their rings...
sparten593 They are rings of power - not wedding rings. Index fingers are much more controlling and diverse, making it quicker to put the ring on/off. (I know your only joking)
Well what you say DOES make sense but they never plan to take them off do they? And if someone tries to cut your finger off (*cough cough* Sauron *cough cough*) they the index finger is the first to go. And it is a joke but i still like talking as if its a serious topic XD
sparten593 Your index finger is infact much stronger (bone-wise) than a wedding finger. So I guess there is that? Granted, you could argue it is more exposed, but if someone such as Sauron was aiming to cut it off, I doubt either circumstances would make a difference. ...thinking about this way too much lol
They say in the game and movies the ring changes shape on it's own
Mack Giles just the one ring not the nazgul rings.
Love how they make u think it’s a bad ending with Talion fall but then they remind you that eventually good wins in LOTR setting him free
these games are not cannon to lotr
@@chaboiassassins ok bruh
They are this is before LOTR@@chaboiassassins
So Talion was the wraith that got hit with the fireball in RoTK.
I like to think he was also the one who took a torch to the face against Aragorn and was sniffing the hobbits out when leaning on the log in the first movie. :)
Oh my god... it all makes sense!
Talion, a force to be reckoned with in his ranger days, but among the most incompetent nazguls ever. lol
DLC idea
He was fighting Sauron the entire time
So I think the whole moral of the story for Lord of the Rings is that if you wish to defeat the greatest evils of the world all you have to do is cut their ring finger off. Seems simple enough.
Well Sauron certainly learned his lesson from the Isildur incident given he used it on Celebrimbor's new bitch
I have found LOTR to be quite boring really, read the trilogy last year, it was quite decent but didn't find anything extraordinary. I liked ASOIAF better.
+ThiSyndrentic, geez, Umar Ali just shared his/her opinion. No need for such salt.
+Umar Ali So why exactly are you on a lord of the rings video if you find it so boring?
Evan Thomas THIS ISN’T CANON
if you watch LOR you will see that lady galadriel said about doing same thing when frodo wanted to gave her the ring . a bright evil lord instead of a dark one . no one is really good
tzeentch khorn Frodo wasn't either, I think the point is that the potential for good or evil always lies within us, but only our choices define us.
But she still declined, she could have taken the ring ez pz because she's badass. The fellowship sucks against her.
datboiwholived she already had a ring. But the 3 elves herself, elron( and the elf lord from the hobbit) have the rings of power. But Saurons ring was beyond powerful.
gandalf has the ring of fire he gor it after the second age from gil-galad
Jacob Bailey she also has 10 fingers, she could wear another ring. It doesn't matter that she already has one, she declined because she feared to change and become another "dark lord" and turn against her allies. Thranduil doesn't have a ring btw, as Thomas already said Gandalf has it and he got it from Cirdan when he arrived in middle-earth, not gil-galad. Cirdan got it from gil-galad. Gil-galad died before Gandalf arrived in middle-earth.
I finished the game today and I could almost cry after this ending. Poor Talion
Don’t feel bad. He completed his original goals. He’s literally the reason it took Sauron so long to launch his invasion (bought over 60 years of time for Middle Earth) without him Middle Earth would have fallen quickly, his family would go unavenged as Sauran (who is the reason his family was killed) becomes ruler of everything, and finally he was released to the afterlife to be with his family after decades of fighting for good and brief time as a Nazgul
Complete plot twist when I saw that Celebrimor betrayed Talion.
Once you beat the game, you should get a Nazgul skin. That would be sick.
Rexxy6, I was dissapointed when they replaced skins with armor and weapons.
You can't
Rexxy6 agreed
MEMES4 LIFE, we already know you cant.
I don't know why they didn't do that. Such a missed opportunity 😞
The difference between Celebrimbor and Talion was who they were as people. Talion wanted power to protect others. Celebrimbor wanted to control and dominate.
jared pope I mean, he saw his land destroyed, his people enslaved, his family butchered before him, he suffered torture and humiliation. It seems natural that Calebrimbor developed that lust for power, he never wanted to become a victim again, to be powerless as all he loves crumbles before him, so he wanted all the power and control. All things considered, its a standard reaction to such powerful trauma. Then he utilized acute narcissism to justify his actions to himself and others, who under utter despair before Sauron's growing might, were easily swayed by the superpowered cure for all their ills that just appeared out of nowhere, even one who is clearly mentally unhinged.
KaiserAfini we’ll put and in a lot of ways it shows how Talion despite experiencing trauma close to what Celebrimbor experienced stayed true to his morals and himself. He never wanted power for powers sake there was always a purpose for him. To defeat the dark Lord and avenge those he loved. In summary small scale typical hero thinking. Celebrimbor wanted more he wanted everything that was the dark lords even he’s complete obedience. I mean what a dick Celebrimbor clearly hasn’t seen lord of the rings fellowship of the ring to return of the king. She shelob however did.
jared pope Well, Talion had an advantage. According to the Silmarilion, humans, half-elves and dwarves have the ability to choose their fates. Elves are super gifted and physically immortal, but once their doom is upon them, all paths close. So when Sauron wronged both men in a similar fashion and brought his taint upon them, Calebrimbor's fate was sealed, while Talion could still choose a moral path (key word is could, it didn't prevent the second host from choosing power over justice). The smith is a truly sad character, all that power, knowledge, skill and ambition, yet they could not be used to protect anything he truly loved or even grant him peace.
KaiserAfini true
Not only that. Celebrimbor had completely forgotten about his family. Talion had a purpose, to one day reunite with his family in death.
That ending was... actually quite fitting... he fought so hard and so long, and unlike the other Nazghul, he ended up in in what looks quite strongly like Valinor, the closest thing Middle Earth has to a "Heaven"... and finally found peace.
Men don't actually go to the Undying Lands after they die, they go to a place outside of space and time, possibly the Timeless Halls.
it was a bad ending
Except for he was still in mordor, those were one of the gates he was walking towards.
actually not quite, humans have an afterlife in lord of the rings. imagine sovngarde mixed with a great open field where mankind roams free of strife and war (same symbolism when he throws away his sword) the reason they have an afterlife is because they can determine their own fate and are not bound to the fate of the world like the elves. you know how mankind values freedom so much? this is how Tolkien uses that hunger for freedom for the sake of what i call "the lore of mankind".
Technically speaking Tolkien wrote Middle-Earth and all of Arda to be just feigned and 'unremembered' history of OUR world. So, our afterlife essentially falls in line with that of real life. IN that Eru gave men the gift of death, but Morgoth made us fear it. Elves are immortal and will be constantly reincarnated in the same body after a time of cleansing in the Halls of Mandos. No one really knows what happens to Dwarves though, though some think Aule made his own Hals for them. The Silmarillion basically just says men will seek adventure and things within the confines of the world but never be satisfied until we die. The reason being if you look at the cosmology as being within OUR world and the fact Tolkien admitted the work reflected his own beliefs the more he wrote them what you're talking about is a version of heaven for mankind. Otherwise there wouldn't be a big issue about Elves and Men being together if we all ended up in the same place. We do not, the implication of Tolkien's work is that when this world is destroyed Dagor Dagorath (Armageddon) the Elves are destroyed along with it, but mankind will be side to side with the Ainur when a new song is sung creating a new world.
AKA The new heaven and new Earth. It's Christian theology like it or not. Just spiced up with pagan ideology and uses where it suited Tolkien. So, yes Talion seems to be one of the excepted few who got to go to Valinor (although even Frodo died as he wasn't immortal even whilst in Valinor), but in the end he had to go beyond the confines of the world. IE to be with Eru.
Shelob: How much are you willing to sacrifice?
Talion: yeS
My sword, my bow and my axe!
@@justsomerandomguy992 Oh, and my soul!
That Spiderwoman.. man she's sexy🤣
@@aykutinhooo8591 remember the rule of every human. Never find spider attractive.
@@NCRSoldier2137 Spider bad. Stomp spider.
Either you die a hero, or you live long enough to become a villain.
Huh, never thought about it that way.
Ray Valentine
Because it is nihlistic bullshit
Reid Parker Yeah, Batman is edgy in a way.
the mantra of every Skyrim player ever
"Cruel leaders are replaced by leaders who turn cruel"
queue dovahkin saving game
I wish Talion could have gotten revenge on that she-elf for betraying him, after talking all that crap about the ring corrupting him he was still a better hope for middle earth than she was and she ended up using the ring to try and dominate and conquer.
Nobody but us the players would know what actually happened :P
Someone's gonna write some crapass fanfiction about this.
There is actually an story expansion inside the expansion pass of the game which tell her side of the story. Maybe from there we can know her ending.
CMDR_Kai Gaming yep, I might
shes in the next game..
16:03 Sauron: Here's a little trick I learned from Isildur!
That's both ironic and poetic
I wonder, where are "Evil&Good" endings here? As far as I remember, this is just a list of consequential cutscenes that depend on nothing.
I actually like how even Sauron himself admitted that Celembrimbor losing Talion was a mistake. Shows how powerful Talion's willpower is. If talion did fight sauron, he would have won and dominated him.
True
I just want a DLC where we kill celebrimbor and that she-elf.
@British Bloke killing her as talion would be more fulfilling I think
@@ink66 From finishing the game recently, the elf-story feels like cliffhanger where it never really says what happens to Celebrimbor. It might be that after their golum lord of the ring game, we might see continuation of the 4th age/new story spin-off regarding elf.
I really liked her but seeing her take the ring and let Talion die is fk up i wish we get that to kill both of those traitors.
Galadriel can't die
At least eltariel yeah
Anyone els noticed the awesome detail about how he just dropped his own sword like it was trash.
But when he took his sons broken blade he looked at it for a bit, seemed somewhat hesitated to drop it, and probably intentionally dropped it so it would land like that.
A silent nod to his beloved son.
I thought me and celebrimbor were friends but he betrayed me just because I gave a nazgul peace
Celebrimbor must’ve REALLY wanted that Nazgûl to work for him
@@pikapanda577 he did. The reason they went after Isildur first was because of the necromantic powers afforded by his ring.
so that's why assassins creed used to cut off their ring fingers. No assassin shall be a Nazgûl!
Crystalic fire hahaha
dont give away the brotherhoods reasons on youtube its only going to make it easier for those fu**ing templer bastards to join us and destory us fromthe inside like that lucy bitch tried
cmon man lucy was alright..
Nah, they cut it off because hidden blades have a horrible design
Kaneki Nightcore i was being sarcastic man. And i know why they cut their fingers of, because i die play all the games.
Im so happy for Talion. He finally found peace and happiness with his family. But I'm also sad because we might not play as him anymore
@SamBoy 777 That actually would be a great name for the next game.
@SamBoy 777 more like Shadow of Talion
I like this ending for talion because it gives him peace after years and years of fighting the darkness in him and the forces of darkness. I just wish he wasnt banished from death
The point is he got his final release and was given death after Sauran was defeated, releasing him to be vulnerable to a fatal blow. He likely felt the disconnection and wanting to go to his family in the afterlife, flew into the fireball he easily could have dodged to die ASAP. My mans been fighting for over 60 years. It gets tiring at a certain point
Would it not be funny if Talion was the one that constanyly sabotages the dark lords plans by leading his fellow Nazgul to do incopitent stuff like being caught in a flood and being burned by Aragorn.
@Fright Wright ops Sorry Sir.
@@forickgrimaldus8301 incopitent? You mean incompetent?
@@ArchangelExile yup
If this game gets a sequel, I hope it's not with that she-elf. She was a terrible person for accepting the New Ring and leaving Talion to die and rot with a bunch of other orc corpses. Definitely not a character I'd want to play with, I'd have really bad experience.
Blade of galadriel expansion set it up perfectly to allow that very thing to happen.
okay well to be fair what if the new game has a redemption plot for the she elf
Her redemption needs to be her suicide into the fires of mt doom with the silver ring
This game is the sequel. If they make another it would be a trilogy
@@chriscormac231 yes. I endorse this ending
Damn, I'll never be able to look at that last Nazgul from the movie getting whacked with that fireball the same way again. Such a badass and sad ending. Talion paved the way for Frodo and Sam to end Sauron, but he'll never be known for it.
Talion even makes a note of this in the first game. "There will be no metals or glory for us, Calebrimbor." "Maybe. But we must fight so that others have the chance to be heroes."
This isnt cannon. Talion never existed. Celebrimbor was actually a good person and never forged the one ring. Just the 3 elven rings. "Unlike both his father and grandfather, Celebrimbor was selfless and kind, and neither prideful nor covetous of what he created. He was described to have an "almost Dwarvish obsession with crafts"[5]; he became a famous artificer and smith in both Gondolin and Eregion. His love for crafts took him to Eregion, where he was introduced to a precious metal which he called mithril. Mithril was mined by Dwarves in nearby Khazad-dûm, later named Moria. Great friendship with the Dwarves of Moria developed, and skills and secrets were shared between Moria and Eregion for many years via the high road. But a long period of peace would not last, for upon realizing the trap which Sauron had devised for him, Celebrimbor was filled with anxiety and fear for his people, and was later described as the heroic defender of Eregion."
@@nickninja27 sounds like something Calabrian would say?
@@MajorBaker-vz9go I'm just stating facts
@@nickninja27 it's game canon, just as books are book canon, and movies movie canon. There can be multiple canons, because of the creator. What makes a series canon? Recognition, lore, or something els. No, a story is a story. There is no true way to tell a story, nor is there a bad way to tell it.
I would've liked to see Nazgul Talion get a different looking mask like Hammerhand And Isildur got
NewbridgePiano That would give him an identity - yet he lost himself and is now a shell of his previous self and a slave. I like him being the same as it emphasizes what personality he has: none.
Some hoods you pick up have a nazgúl mask
I think there's a Nazgul hood variant with horns similar to Helm's mask
If u complete the shadow wars u can get all the nazgul masks
Yes
Turns out Isildur was a actually a better “friend” than Celebrimbor, in my opinion, however pessimistic he was
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True
Isildur wants you to corrup lol
But Ratbag is a bro for life
I thought the ending was so good it was hard seeing the main character I grew attached to leave but it was comforting knowing he can live in peace for eternity after decades of fighting.
Agreed, almost cried bruh
Ending for Talion Explained: He takes Isiuldurs ring:
Takes Minas Morgul and banishes the Witch-King, the rest of Nazgul fall back and retreat to barad-dur
He keeps the armies of Mordor at bay for decades:
When the witch kings returns as his original form with the rest of the Nazgul he persuades Talion to join the Nine (This makes it literally the Nine)
Celibrimbor and Sauron become one until the free people of Middle Earth destroyed Sauron once and for all.
Talion was free to roam what is probably Valinor and returned to his family and found peace.
wow that was beautiful thank you
Thanks for explaining the story end. I was .....like what the hell happened ...but you have it in a short summery. Thank You
I dont think humans get to go to Valinor. In fact, no one knows what happens to them after death.
Alexander Ash Elves and ringbearers go to valinor I'm pretty sure. And since talion was technically a ring bearer he got to go I'm sure.
actualy sauron spirit is still alive until the final battle together with morgoth he will regain his corpse
ending would have been so much better if you didnt have to grind through 20 fortress defense just to get the ending..
availabilityavailabl God forbid you have to play the game lol
Kalib Blanchard there’s a difference between playing a game, and enjoying it
Whaaat? You actually have to play and complete a game to get the ending?! What is this bullshit!
You fuckwits defending this are unbelievable. It is CLEARLY an attempt to get you to buy their lootboxes to gain stronger orcs and finish the Shadow Wars faster and unlock the end cutscene.
Toisestars619 which literally no one is doing because (shocked gasp) you don't have to!
Oh my god! :O
So I initially hated the ending... but when I put in perspective I seems rather fitting for an LoTR ending. But man I really wanted Talion to fight against Celembrimbor or the she-elf... get a piece of his own pie.
Now I totally get the "sacrifice" Shelob was referring to.
Quite good ending after marinating with it.... Hope this isn't the last adventure with Talion but it looks like it.
Dylan Soney Talion moves on to the afterlife in the end. So I’m pretty sure this is it for Middle Earth, at least for Talion’s story.
We got a new shadow of war dlc boyzzzz
You should have understood the sacrifice part when he first put on the nazgul ring.
spoilers the Blade of Galadriel DLC ending and main character are way worse than the base game true ending, in fact the whole DLC is a huge pile of shit all over poor Talion's legacy and achievements... it made everyone rage pretty bad...... avoid it.
I wanted another game rip
I can say without hesitation, this is the one of the greatest games of all time
Well, story's a bit "Meh," just like SoM, but the gameplay is absolutely amazing and playing the story is still worth it for necromancy.
that's a fact.....
It's not
@@CassidyCope you have your opinions but I gotta say your opinion is shit,story is the best thing ever
@@dranzerjetli5126
Ding dong your opinion is wrong
I'd rather of seen a fight with a fallen talion vs a corrupted celabrimbor and sauron
Corey Rhodes True, it would be better like that
shadow of lords
third game maybe ?
Yeah its non-canon anyway i wish they made the game a What if story but still the nazgul are loyal to the one ring it would be cool if they just make talion have a powerful willpower for revenge and he cant be dominated by sauron nor celebrimbor like the orcs that can withstand domination a third game like that would be cool
:) may be buddy
So Talion bought time for Gondor by sitting in Minis Morgul and holding back the armies of darkness
Brandon Berry yeah, and was under his own control until Sauron finally dominates him many years later
Sauron wasn‘t in mordor when minas morgul was taken he still kept himself away and tried to gather his power in dol guldur.
Brandon Berry for decades. It’s kind of cool how he retains control for so many years and most likely in complete silence with no one else to talk to save for orcs of course. He fought so hard for so long he was finally rewarded with everlasting peace
Brandon Berry He kept them away for 60-75 years. He did what they needed the most and that was time.
Which makes no sense because, lore wise, there was no buying time, it just takes very long to summon up an army of millions, as was necessary to take over Middle-Earth. I mean, irl today that would take decades. Irl 500 years age that would've taken centuries of planning...as it did in LotR
Sauron: i serve no one
Morgoth: bich u serve me
I do like how insane the first war was. We're talking a legion of Bal Rogs flying ships filled with angels...a mountain sized dragon.
Really puts Sauron and how deeply screwed and scarred middle earth is in perspective.
L Shadow Irony is, Sauron serves Morgoth.
L Shadow it's true that Sauron did serve Morgoth in the first age but after Morgoth got sent to the void, Sauron took his place as the new dark lord so in the time of the second and third age of middle earth he wasn't serving anyone
there weren't that many Bal Rogs in Morgoth service, they served the same position as Sauron, Lieutenants in charge of Uruks and other beasts
Forthog bitch you serve me!
"It is over. Together we will turn towards Middle-Earth".
-Witch King of Angmar. Love the quotes by the way.
"Through winds and waters may you cross,
See mountain whites and blues,
But on your road, lest not forget
The love i have for you...."
RIP. Talion
He turned into ermac he said we are many
''We are many. You are one. We will destroy you!
Talion said”I am one but we are many “
Technically, Shelob retelling this tale is a little odd..
Considering she tried to kill the Ringbearer and got her ass handed to her by a freaking gardener.
She lost her mind under the influence of the dark Lord's dominion over mordor
It was the bearer of the one ting after all.
@@devils_kin0449 I agree. She just seem like a mindless animal who just survived just to eat. That’s all she cared about during the lord of the rings.
The lore behind Shelob, what little is talked about by Tolkien, indicates that she is part demon as well as as this aberration of a spider. This comes from the fact that she's the last child of Ungoliant, and that chick was definitely half demon. Basing this line of logic somewhat off of Judeo-Christian mythology and angelology, being demonic would suggest that at one point the mother of spiders was a spirit or the hybrid daughter of one, and as a half Maia, she was corrupted and seduced by Morgoth back in the First Age. Therefore, her kids would be of fallen Maiar descent too, and have access to crazy abilities like illusory manipulation to appear as they choose, kind of like Sauron becoming elflike and beautiful as a callback to his ex-Maia self.
Fast forward to Third Age, they also state that technically Shelob was independent of Sauron's influence. So this Shadow of War plotline is cool with me only because of that hypothetical concept that she is like a chaotic neutral being with leanings towards the Darkness because of her heritage, but also a sense of honor. It doesn't explain why she would just eat the guy who planned to bear the Ring to Mount Doom and destroy her rival in Sauron, but it does fill some origin story plot holes. It's hard for me to believe a mindless creature could live for millennia without being sentient and having more power than just being big and scary.
Hey, that freaking gardener is a freaking legend, make no mistake.
Damn talion leaving all of his metal swords for a child to pick up and stab people
Im speechless on how good that actually ended and incorporated with the lord of the rings trilogy. Great story and even better game.
They learned their lesson from the last game
It really doesn't incorporate at all with the story. Sauron was never even a giant flaming eye stuck in his tower.
Oliver Patrick he was after the battle with Celebrimbor.
Gollum says that Sauron has four fingers on His hand, and the Orcs in Cirith Ungol say that Sauron will send for the Hobbit prisoner, or come Himself.
+twistedmetalplayer21 the ending is suppost to incorporate with the lore a little bit the developer said so and it did
Got to hand it to Talion, fought off Sauron for pretty much half a century before finally being corrupted. I’m glad he eventually found peace after all the battles he fought.
Aww Talion does't get a cool Nazgul mask like the other special ones?, that sucks considering he is more powerful than basically all of them
The Assassin Spy In terms of combat, yes. But the Witch King is more dominant when it comes to other forms of power. I quite like the same masks. Talion loses his identity along with the rest of the Nazgul. Remember as Gandalf said "if they had a name, it has long since been forgotten"... that wasn't Talion, he was now the same as the others - nothing but a servant of evil... lifeless. No need for any distinguishing features.
He actually does get a mask in one ending but he breaks free i think and dies for real
The Assassin Spy It's a shame too, because Talion was able to take on the WitchKing as well. If anything, Talion deserved to BE the Witchking...
The Assassin Spy somethought
Except Isildur, he had a different helmet.
Who would you support celebrimbor or Sauron
Oh wait bright lord, dark lord same thing really.
-Bruz the Chopper
I FIGHT FOR THE BRIGHT LORD!
Yeah
I would support sauron because he's a badass
@@ethansylliboy344 ur wrong
@@falsified6432 lol
Id have rather seen talion kill calebrimbor but oh well.
but celebrimbor is already dead. he will fade to exist with sauron when frodo and gollum destroy the one ring.
twistedmetalplayer21 19:13 check how she says death to talion and how he dies
So you think he went back to talion ? (What I do not get is talion became a nasgul but he is still a wrath attached to his own body yet becomes invisible )
he is dead. he was from the very beginning. how do you kill something that is already dead?
i think he went to the halls of mandos, finally...
my shadow of mordor follower died in the final assault. My story acted like a movie
lucky you, mine betrayed me right after the mission i got him, became deranged as soon as I tried to get him back.
Fatdog58, mine was killed by a fckng graug
only had one orc that survived the shadow wars, the rest i branded from the attackers. he cheated death to fight the final siege... and he was undead
wenhamschloff luckier than mine...mine died from in the assault on the tower and got his head cut off, he came back to life and actually saved me from an enemy and im like "dude I love you" then during the shadow wars he accidentally bled to death but came back to life and was mad and started fighting me, he had Iron will so I continued shaming him and he became deranged so I finally recruited him again, just to have him get executed again during the shadow wars missing an arm and stabbed in the stomach, then I got to resurrect him sooo ya my bro from shadow of mordor has died quite a bit im sure he just wants to die now
In other words my dude has died about 3 times and ya he is a zombie now that I resurected him and he is still deranged so he is living a pretty good life with me in charge, honestly if he dies again I might just let him die because of how many times he has died, I feel bad, let me know what you guys think let gim die finally or keep him around
That bastard came after me to avenge the blood brother he never had. After that I had to shame him but I didn't get around to force him back into the fold and then he ambushed me in another part of morder but got away while I was fighting another captain just to get his head chopped of by me during the final assault.
So celembrimbor betrayed tailion and tried to dominate sauron (failed and became 1 with him) and tailion became a nazgul
Then after the lord of the rings movies tailion is no longer cursed and stops fighting
I did not see that ending coming......
Ernco-Ernisk he stopped being cursed and fighting cause he took a fire rock to the face and died.
Ernco-Ernisk not canon mate
QuiteDaPlayer_ still it's fun to watch them connect it to the movies
They are talking about the game not the story mate We all know it is not cannon due to jrr token law and that he created the books ages ago Well done to spot that
QuiteDaPlayer_ maybe not to the books, but I'm 100% sure it is with the movie. I clearly remember a couple of years ago that Peter Jackson was working with Monolith to fit Shadow of Mordor into the movies. I remember Monolith saying on multiple occasions that the Shadow of franchise is canon. Why would they put so much time and money into this franchise to only have it be non canon, that's just retarded. Also, it's not up to you on whether or not it's canon (or just canon to the movies). If we're talking about the movies, then that's up to Jackson to confirm. Until then, stop spreading that bullshit.
The problem is that talion is the only cool character in the game and in a sequel with who are u playing baranor ,that she-elf. The only character that is cool is talion
talion's son who else. if the father is cool then the son is cool as well, probably..
I dunno,I think Baranor is pretty cool.
@@Drakon_Minaka I loved baranor as a character. A human killing so many orcs
@@jomcabanilla3732 too bad he's dead
ratbag duh...
Whatever you guys say about microtransactions i dont care this game was an incredible experience for me This time the story was epic too and I am not gonna lie i will miss Talion and Celembrimbor
The story was fantastic compared to the last one, right up until the end of Act 3 where everything became a sprint to the finish and then the game became a grind.
Personally, I messed around with the new powers for a bit and would love to have much more time with them, but after hearing about what Act 4 has in stock for me I decided to pass it and just watch the ending.
The only way I am returning to this game is if I get a lot of free time on my hands or if I hear the DLC is worth playing, and hopefully not dragged out. Especially that Desolation of Mordor one which intrigues me a lot.
The microtransactions controversy behind this game was *hugely* exaggerated anyway. You never needed to purchase loot box resources as the game always rewarded you with more resources than you'd ever need by just playing though it, there was no "paywall" at the end of the game as you had to go through the same number of Shadow War missions regardless of how many loot boxes you purchased and the only way to lessen the endgame grind was by either lowering the difficulty settings or by simply dominating attacking orcs (which made purchasing loot box allies utterly pointless), and even if you did want to purchase loot boxes you could still do so through numerous in-game means like through mirian currency, completing in-game challenges, doing online missions and so on.
I pirated it and played it without internet and got 100 % completion, no need for microtransactions or that shit, then I felt guilty over how good the game was and bought it.
so talion becomes a nazgul, but finally is freed after the ring is destroyed to finally be in heaven with his wife and son, hmm thats actually a pretty nice ending.
I'm really pissed off Talion didn't talk to the half elf or Calembrimbor saying "How did it work out?"
Yep Talion would be rubbing the salt in Eltariel and Celebrimbors wound
The sacrifice Talion made was extraordinary!!! All that time protecting the world and no one even knows about him. He sacrificed all that time instead of passing over to eternal life with his loved ones.
But what happened to ratbag?
This visionary is asking the important questions that people should actually care about.
Ranger kept him alive long enough to survive, he’s probably in a cave somewhere with an elderly cranky Ranger while Aragorn rules and probably dies with Ranger around the time Aragorn dies.
Ratbag is the new mordor underground OG, ruling over those orcs that survived, spitting bars with ranger and getting mad orc pussy.
And Idril, and the characters from the first game who neither appeared nor were mentioned.
Shadow of 3 play as ratbag raising a new orc army to take back middle earth after the events of the movies.
Who would’ve known a guy lasted 60 years with the ring of power and became a nazhgaul only too die by an unlucky hit with a volcanic rock 🤦♂️😂
@Berserkgaming maybe it wasnt so unlucky actually.. maybe he deliberatly flew into its path cuz he knew what that meant for him and was ready to finally rest in peace and rejoin his family. also my personal headcanon is that Talion was the Naz'gul that both got burned with the torch by Aragorn and looked down in the tree stump and knew they were there but was like "fuck Sauron I'm going to pretend I dont notice them." in his head. XD
That's what happens when you roll a nat 1 on a reflex save
Sekira yeah I think you have a point because he released the previous owner of the Nazgul ring and he wanted him to finally as he said “Find peace in death”. Maybe he also understood he couldn’t live like that
Nazgul
Well all the nazhgaul died because that sauron died they are connected so yeah
I honestly probably won't play another "shadow of" game(if there is another) unless I can play as talion again
Turtle 2002 he’s dead
@@chryslerpeters2931 I think he didn't die
Yeah he is cool character. But in my opinion if they ever going make sequel i hope they leave Talion out of this. He fought against Sauron for decades and he also fought FOR Sauron for decades. He is been through enough shit.
As long as I get to play anybody but the she elf I'll be fine
I really want a silly game with ratbag bumbling around as the mc lol
Talion actually grew on me. I thought he had no personality and was no fun for the most part of the two games, even while loving these games to death. Kudos for a very good story and a very fitting tribute to Tolkien's amazing universe.
Very much agreed, they made a somewhat hollow character into a lovable guy
Why is the title All ending, if this is only the one and only ending.
right?
CrashGaming the rest of the ending is after he completes the shadow wars and reachs 100%
@@eslamelmidani But which one is the bad ending and which is the good ending?
@@wildrussiansnake8978 The one with the 100% of the game is what?? Bad ending or good ending? jeez lol
@@wildrussiansnake8978 That means there is ONE ending lol. Complete the game and its all stages (10 Stages) and you finish the game. I only see one ending.
Don't really need to see the 'true' ending. The act three ending basically spoiled enough the minute Tallon put on a ring of power to live.
Being in possession of any ring of power makes the bearer a walking time-bomb that will eventually serve Sauron or die in order to get to someone who will serve Sauron.
Venom Snake how do you get that ending?
believe it or not most people don't know that much about LoTR lore, so it was absolutely necessary
Bob Dylan that's kind of sad. Lotr is one of the most important sagas of western literature.
based on where this is in the timeline, he gave middle earth 75 years.if we take Gandalf, Saruman and Galadriel's purge of minas morghul around the battle of five armies as the point of shadow of mordors start if bilbo went at that point he would have fell before mount doom. Tallion and Celebrimbor gave Middle Earth the one thing it needed the most. Time.
Venom Snake k
As a dwarf once said
THOSE DAMN ELFS!
"THAT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE"
Dwarves are the true good race. Sitting under a mountain mining for treasure & getting drunk with your pals whilst roasting other races seems like the way to go.
@@TankManHeavy and making excellent technology
@@erinmoody9892 that too!
@@erinmoody9892 and digging out balrogs.
5:08 I love that reaction from Talion :D
He's like "You agree with this idiot?"
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*you see?*
@@anonguy772 Yea and "Ayo WTF?"
He is from "You hear what this idiot says? " To "you agree with this maggot?"
Did anyone else notice Celebrimbor escaping after the eye of Sauron exploded? Possible sequel maybe?
not a sequel a third game this game was a sequel to the first
It's his death my dude "calibrmbor's life will be extinguished when the one ring is unmade"
Sequel doesn't necessarily mean "second instalment", it's just something that comes after.
Yes but who would u play as??
While I don't like the fact that they technically didn't win, and Talion becomes another nazghul and celebrimbor is just like sauron, you have to admit this is pretty much exactly what Tolkien would write as an ending for something like this and eventually Talion does find peace
Nine Lives he technically saved middle earth (while damning himself).
It really is, Tolkien is probably smiling down upon the creators of this game. Him as a Christian would highly support the entire series, as Gorey as it can get, due to the Christian philosophy of one man dying to himself in order to save all others, and while this is a stretch, I still believe the similarities are enough that Tolkien would be proud.
Nine Lives Tolkien wasn't the type to portray main characters as shades of grey, look at Aragorn, Gandalf, and Sauron for example, Sauron is literally pure evil while Gandalf and Aragorn were just good guys, and this style of fantasy writing was what George R.R. Martin changed with GoT.
+Hao Jia Jing You're forgetting Isildur. What happened with him. he was good yet he ended up falling for the ring. The same happened with Celebrimbor
Celebrimbor always remained in the light actually and never betrayed his kind
Endings? There is only one ending no multiple endings
The Raven King it’s one of those things. I doubt many people saw the true ending for talion but a lot will have seen the betrayal and the creation of the eye.
Don't hate
One ending to rule them all....
the eye was already there, it's just used all the time now
Why injustice 2 have 2 endings
I’m kinda sad bruh :( my boy fought for revenge and ended up turning to darkness and literally nothing went well
He ultimately avenged his family, saved Middle Earth, and showed his strength and threat to Sauran by resisted the power of corruption of Isildur’s ring for over 60 years and finally received the true death he had wanted to go to the afterlife with his family
Revenge is a dark motive
Talion never really fought for revenge. In both games Talion's "soul" concern was protecting the living so long as he deemed it worth protecting. By the second one you can see how Talion no longer cares for revenge when he tells Ratbag that he is honored because he named a good friend after him. He even fought to protect Ranger when he knew very little from him but simply associated him with Ratbag. Revenge slipped away from Talion a long time ago, Celebrimbor just learned how to deceive using Sauron's method. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he developed some kind of homosexual feelings as that is the only thing on his mind is to "dominate" Sauron.