All Odin Scenes here: ua-cam.com/video/49dZf_kBPsg/v-deo.htmlsi=DubwWdrkXF54L1FZ All Thor Scenes here: ua-cam.com/video/uVJvaVFUn6M/v-deo.htmlsi=AgcPtGDUc43c-2wq
Won't be long before somebody makes a vid of this Thor beating the hell out of the other one. Also I expect that Atreus will have half of his father's strength by the time he's full grown.
@@IDONTPLAYGAMESHO Who are we talking to? And a UA-camr named Danco did a comparison video of the two Thors. Funny thing, when he talked about the MCU Thor, he used some feats from the movies. When he talked about GOW Thor, he talked mostly about Kratos' feats. At one point I forgot it was a Thor vs Thor vid.
I love how the very first scene of Thor and Odin shows you which one is the true bad guy. Thor asks for permission to come in, brings a gift, accepts the offered seat and puts his weapon on the table as a sign of peace. He shows utmost respect for the host in his home, even if his intentions are ultimately to fight him. Meanwhile, Odin barges in unannounced, uninvited, takes what he pleases and struts around like he owns the place.
I'm not a long time follower of GOW but I did wonder why Kratos did not accept Odin's deal if all kratos wanted was to live in peace and avoid any fighting. Anyone know?
@@porfiriato84 although he considered it before, he did it for Freya, because Freya saved Atreus and Kratos would not want Freya to be removed if he were to accept the deal
I love how you've got Christopher Judge (Kratos) and Ryan Hurst (Thor) duking it out to see who has the most intimidating voice, and then you've got Richard Schiff (Odin) strolling into the room sounding like someone's Uncle.
I honestly love the fact that Odin looks and sounds like basically just a regular old dude. Fits his nature in mythology as a manipulator as opposed to Zeus who was, let’s say, head forward in Greek mythology
"If he tells you snow is white, he's lying." That line always gives me chills. It makes you wonder just how deep and thought out Odin's deceptions can be.
He means to say that even though Odin may tell you a blatant truth, its all a part of one big lie ultimately benefitting him and him only. Well said Mimir
Kind of confused me because Thor looked annoyed when Odin told him to not take all day. Maybe Thor was insulted by that remark? Or perhaps he is very lazy despite wanting nothing more than to bash Kratos’ skull in.
@@Morten_Storvik I think his reaction was more of a “should’ve done this from the start”. Thor probably wanted to just fight immediately but was being held back by Odin.
@@blank4142 It's also because Odin forbade him from killing Kratos here. Thor hates doing his father's bidding and would rather just avenge his sons and brother.
5:39 I really like how when Odin motions towards Atreus it’s kratos’s first instinct to reach for his axe. It’s a small but telling detail on his protectiveness.
Little things you notice the second playthrough: - Thor doesn't actually drink the mead because he's trying to go sober - "You're no fun anymore" is because Odin could order Thor around when he was wasted. Now that he's sobered up, he's probably not obeying Odin unquestioningly anymore. - Odin cares more about the value Baldur had than the fact that he was his son, quickly showing the player how selfish he really is. - Huginn and Munnin, Odin's ravens, become his tattoos when he calls them back. - The camera almost seems to "huddle" behind Kratos when Thor is talking like whoever is holding it is pissing their pants in terror - The very SECOND Odin even acknowledges Atreus, Kratos reaches for the axe. No one threatens his Boi.
I was just rewatching cause I am having a god of war phrase again and when I was reading your comment and saw the names for Odin's raven I now FINALLY REALIZED ON WHY MY BROTHER NAMED HIS TWO TURKEYS WITH THOSE SAME NAMES, I feel like such a idiot it took me 2 whole years to figure out our turkeys were a god of war reference
When I first saw Odin, I was kind of surprised. I imagined Odin as an old and grizzled, but still physically intimidating warrior with a deep voice, not a small, fragile old man. But since Odin was kind of a treacherous trickster-like manipulator in norse mythology, i think the design and personality fits him. Thor, of course, is badass. Maybe the best depiction of him i have ever seen.
I actually loved this design exactly because of how he looks “Fragile” that actually makes him even more mysteriously more intimidating and not to mention I love they made him look exactly like his voice actor
In a conversation regarding Atreus asking if he’s going to be as buff as father, both Kratos and Mimir mention that working out is a separate thing to their divine powers, Baldur for example he was skinny yet he could give Kratos a run for his money. Essentially, a buff body for a god is just aesthetics, their true powers lie in their divinity, and Odin is definitely a VERY powerful one since he has been seeking and studying ALL the magic in his realm.
@@Killllr0y i said "sounds like." Please read attentively brother. Also...I mean what else would he be whispering to him? Mimir is a head and his friend. Thor's an alcoholic mass murderer the size of a building. And they hadn't even met Odin yet lol.
I think Odin needed to have a more elegant personality. He should have been more quiet and mysterious. Odin in this game doesn't seem like "The All-father" at all.
@@IndranilRC well, I agree with you at some point. But I think that this is more "fitting" as he is not the all father by pure force and elegance, BUT mostly from manipulating everyone around him. That's why I disagree but your opinion is valid and I understand what you mean
@@IndranilRC I disagree, in the myths he is a selfish trickster. He once "disguises" himself as an old man so he can insult Thor and brag about sleeping with a bunch of women
The fake death into being defibrillated by Mjolnir is the best thing I’ve ever seen. Whoever came up with that should be immediately given some kind of medal.
I love how Mimir says “if he tells you snow is white he is lying!” Pretty much showing that Odin’s language is lies, even when he tells the truth, he is twisting something for his own selfish gain
The camera pan to show the size difference between Kratos and Thor, before he walks inside, is brilliant. To the audience the whole "half-giant" thing isn't immediately apparent. Thor is just some dude rocking up to the house surrounded by lightning, welding a hammer to our imagination and knowledge of past interpretations. Next to Kratos, and we know how big Kratos is; Thos is a mountain x
@@TheMETALICA40 i mean us Mediterraneans are mostly shorter than northern people, even tho in Italy or Greece there are even people that tall. For exaple here in Italy I find very often tall people like 2m,1.90m, etc etc Especially from the center of Italy or North. There are also in the south now but that is normal… Leaving this aside he still is a God so… yea
He is a calm and reasonable person. It’s not like he killed all the Greek Gods in the most brutal way possible,while indirectly leaving the entirely of Greece in shambles. Right?
@@elithornton5217 well, some of the Greek gods are still out there: Artemis, Apollo and Aphrodite, Hecate and Demeter and actually many others (unless they dies off-screen). And to certain degree, Athena is also still around, might even return knowing her wits.
Honestly when I first got to this cutscene although I knew it was the actor who played Oppie in S.O.A, my first thought was that it was Josh Brolin/Thanos xD
A little detail I noticed is when Odin already knows where to pull up a chair on the side even though he just entered the room. They really went with the whole "all seeing, all knowing" thing real good.
@@ixams which really fits with what we know of the character so far from the first game. Odin really sent in the ravens to scope out the place just so he could pretend to know the whole layout of the house.
Like someone already said, two of his ravens went in with Thor. He isn't gonna enter a space with someone like Kratos before he has a chance to scope it out, and have some incredible backup in his son. Lol
@@MrSimonsays2592 yeah no shit. I was merely pointing out the attention to detail. They didn't have to include that bit in but they did and I think it's worth a point
The fact that Odin feels nothing for the loss of his grandsons and is only upset about the death of his son because he happened to be a useful asset tells you about his callousness. The way he looks and carries himself shows he's a talker, not a doer. And he's so slick with his appeals to supposedly shared interests that you know he's a master manipulator. Such wonderful character building in just one scene.
Odin is both a talker and a doer, don’t let his size fool you he’s definitely one of the strongest gods kratos has come across, not the strongest in strength but knowledge
That... and plus how quickly he turns on Thor...Thor never attacked him... never raised his weapon against him.... never even insulted him... he just dropped his weapon and told him no and Odin killed him without hesitation
It shows just how much stronger Thor is than Baldur. He bragged about not being his brother, if not for his invulnerability he would've died in the first encounter. Thor resurrected Kratos just to fight him again.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 I don't think that's what Baldur meant, Baldur meant like if Kratos gave him the answers he was seeking, Baldur would've left him alone Thor seems like he would've seeked trouble with Kratos even if Kratos gave him his answers
That's the beauty of it The easter egg in the previous game gave the impression that Thor would come to avenge his brother and children Turns out, he doesn't really give a rat's ass about them, he just wants to fight Kratos After daddy has his talk with the man first, I mean
I love how, in his diary, Kratos directly admits he was about to accept Odin's offer until he mentioned Freya because, in his own words, making a deal against her with her ex-husband is "unacceptable".
Nah he also makes refence to Mimir's counsel as part of the reason for saying no, though he does admit that without it he would have been tempted into accepting
@@gerardgag It's all of the above, this conversation was not going to end well because Odin makes critical mistakes throughout the entire conversation. These are according to me all the reasons that Kratos said "No". 1) Obviously, Mimir told him what kind of person Odin was 2) Odin belittles Thor's sons and Baldur while Thor is present, not realising how f'ed up that is and also failing to understand that Kratos did not act in self defense all the time, like with Modi. Valhalla confirms that Kratos noticed this. Odin also tries to coax Thor into drinking again, although Kratos might not have noticed that. 3) The lore also mentions that Kratos found it unacceptable that Odin was aware of the whole Týr search while he was not. Odin admits here that he has been spying on Atreus and Kratos. 4) Odin is physically intrusive with Atreus all the time, to the point that Kratos (although he's ALWAYS cautious) grabs his axe when Odin gets close to Atreus. 5) Disrespect to Mimir, which is understandable, but this is Kratos' best friend. 6) Finally, the offer about Freya. Odin might be unaware of the close relationship Kratos and Freya had and also doesn't know that Kratos' has been actively avoiding her the entire time. And Kratos knows what this deal means: imprisoning or killing one of his (past) close friends. Odin fails to understand who Kratos is and thus falls flat on his face with his manipulations.
@@belgiantheorizer2145 Amazing analysis, but if I may make one final point. Kratos still fears his past, one major factor of that is that every deal with a God he has made has cost him dearly one way or another. The biggest one was the deception by Ares which started this whole game series in the first place. But then again, every other God who had made a deal with him has screwed him over. Persephone comes to mind. Even if Odin knew that (which I would claim he doesn’t since he doesn’t bring it up) he still tried to make a deal with the one person who distrusts a God’s word on principle. Was Kratos tempted? Yes. That is the point of all the deals. Every one promised him something he wanted. But he knows the cost will come back to haunt him.
i like to think Odin offering to “keep Freya off your back” actually pushed Kratos even further to declining it. He knows what Freya has been through and as we see a little later he truly feels she’s still an ally even when she’s trying to kill him
Yeah, he respects Freya and feels indebted to her for saving Atreus, the idea of betraying her (to someone who's already used and betrayed her) wouldn't sit well with him full stop - but even more so given his history of being used by the Greek gods.
I love how the reason Kratos rejected Odin's ultimatum is twofold, as explained in the journal: One, most obviously, because Mimir told him not to, and Mimir is one of a very slim number of people who Kratos trusts. Two, and most interestingly, Odin's promise to kill Freya in return for standing down: Kratos still considers her a friend and does not hold her attempts to kill him against her in the slightest, because he knows he would do the same in her position. He REFUSES to side with her ex against her; even as mortal enemies.
Also, because well... Odin is pretty much the Norse Zeus, and there was just no way in hell Kratos was ever going to make another deal with a god like that after everything he's been through with them
I'm very glad you made a point to bring up the first reason. So many people only point to the Freya reason and act like the former isn't a factor in the slightest, like Kratos would've accepted the offer otherwise.
@@stassyan he’s the big cheese, arrogant and thinks he is above everyone else because he sacrificed his eye and hung himself to be omniscient (all knowing). Hence why he drank from both cups
Odin’s “You know who I am.” as a statement as opposed to a question is maybe the perfect opening line for a character introduction. That single statement shows all you need to know about this guy.
That's for the react channels. Idiot reactor: "Oh (sherbet) is that Odin?" Odin: "You know who I am." With a slight bit of contempt in his voice looking at Atreus but also the camera.
These are INCREDIBLE depictions of the characters. Thor is a drunken, somewhat comedic old fat guy, yet an absolute powerhouse, and his entire personality is that he is Odin's greatest weapon. Odin is the head honcho, the great evil, yet he's so human, so softspoken, so polite. Every cutscene with them is absolutely fantastic to watch.
That's the brilliant part: He's actually the least human character in the entire series. He makes even Zeus look like a good guy in comparison. But he's so damn manipulative he makes himself look human.
@@brunowillich1837 yeah, Zeus is a prick but at the very least he's a prick that knows he is one, meanwhile Odin is a serial killer dressed like a pope while hiding bodies on his basement
*FUN FACT:* The way Odin conducts himself in this game is the same way all women do. If you think Odin is evil, then by extension you must believe women are evil.... unless you're a cuck. *EDIT:* Look at all these cucks spazzing out, proving my point better than any words ever could, lmao.
I like how the Norse gods are kind of being presented as like a Mafia family unlike the Greek gods who were like a royal family Edit: dang that’s a lot of likes
Imagine if Zeus & Odin teamed up; the two kings (or mob boss, in Odin’s case) would control the world! Either that or Kratos would kill them both in about a week.
And also his own callous attitude towards his own family basically shrugging off their deaths. Even Baldur he was more angry at losing an asset rather than a son.
fun fact: at 16:21 when Thor throws his tooth out, if you go back to the frozen lightning bolt in that area you’ll see the tooth still sitting there on the ground. it stays there the entire game.
I just noticed that Kratos' dialogue gets progressively more savage as the fight goes on(I.e. "You started this! I will end it!" and then "You will join your sons!"). Thor was already drawing out Kratos' previous mentality.
The funny thing is, if Kratos actually stopped controlling his rage and did not work to change his fate, Thor still would have killed him. It's only because Kratos chose to be better that the outcome was changed.
Couple little touches I love: the fact that Kratos and Atreus made sure to hide Mimir before Thor walked in (and Atreus immediately grabbed him when he started talking) and how every time Odin steps towards Atreus Kratos grabs his axe. There’s so much attention to detail in just this scene
Love Thor’s line for Mimir; “He’s lost weight.” Not only clearly antagonistic humor toward his physical state, but also a reflection of how they truly no longer hold him in any regard whatsoever, further cementing Odin’s offer for them to keep him. Don’t know for sure if this was the exact intent of the line, but brilliant nonetheless!!
Odin wasn't expecting Mimir to escape through such unconventional means, but both he and Thor know he's not worth fighting Kratos to get back. They both know war is coming and Mimir is useless to them. Getting him to stop giving strategy to Kratos might be a good idea, but clearly they were dissatisfied with the advice they got from him. So again: not worth the trouble.
The more you watch this, the more little details you pick up that just make it so fantastic. The way in which Oden knocks is immediately disrespectful and hostile with its intensity, Odin just walks in without even waiting to be invited, The way Odin says "You know who I am" implying he's not here to waste time with pointless introductions, Thor doesn't budge to open the door but keeps his eyes fixed on it the entire time until Odin enters the room, Odin without permission enters their home, grabs a chair and sits at the head of the table where he feels he belongs, Thor keeps his eyes almost permanently fixed on Kratos only breaking for moment when his sons are mentioned, Odin completely commands the room drinking from both cups and walking around willfully ( He also turns his back to them which is interesting because it's clear he doesn't perceive them as a threat at this point). And I'm sure there's more subtle stuff that I miss that I could pick up on over several more Playthroughs, but this introduction is done beautifully and immediately establishes Odin as an antagonist and the type of threat he represents.
Funny thing is, I thought I did screw up after failed attempting to defend myself from Thor. In a few seconds, it’s back to screen and actually revived by Thor getting me “oh shit!” So genuine.
I recommend playing God of War 3, 4 (2018) and 5 (Ragnarök). Three is drastically different from the newer games, but it will give a good sense of why Kratos is ashamed of his past.
@@FallenOne669 it would also help to play or watch the older games cutscenes uploaded on UA-cam to understand why Kratos was so angry the entirety of 3. Just in case anyone needs the chronological timeline of the games, Ascension, chains of Olympus, 1, ghost of Sparta, 2, 3, GOW 2018 (4), Ragnarok.
Probably because Thor was a more interesting character (at least to me) than Odin. Odin was a manipulator but you could always tell that he was in control and that he felt that he was so much better than everyone whereas with Thor, he looks intimidating but when you get to know him during Atreus’ time in Asgard, you see just how BROKEN he is and how he has resigned himself to just being a monster. Thor and Kratos needed more scenes together because they really do have a lot in common. Hell, when Kratos and Atreus went to Helheim, they could have called a truce with the Aesir to deal with Garm and had Kratos and Atreus team up with Thor there. That would have been awesome!
Incredible job ? You’re joking right? The All Father sounding like some trickster white old guy from the south that looks like he has cancer? Thor was great but Odin? Hell NO
The first 7 minutes of this scene felt like a Tarantino film. The absolute tension building simply from Thor and Odins presence even being in Kratos’s home is palpable for the moment Thor asks if he can come in.
I stumbled upon a quote from the book The White Raven from Robert Low: “I had forgotten that, while Thor hurls his Hammer from storm-clouds, Odin prefers his strike to come out of a calm sky.” The way Thor announced his coming with earthshaking thunder and lightning while Odin simply knocked on the door... it just perfectly mirrored that quote. I absolutely love the writing of this game. And the casting, the acting, you can see Thor's pain in his every move. I think Thor is the best thing about this game. So well written and portrayed.
"If he tells you snow is white, he's LYING!" Holy crap man idk why thats such a brutal, direct, and easy to understand warning/insult. Comming from a man we grew to love and gain knowledge from in the last game, its just SUUUPER easy to be on Mimir's side and take his word instantly no question! EXCELLENT delivery by the actor as well I love this!
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If you look carefully, when Odin raises his voice and slams his hand on the table about what Kratos did to Thor's sons, Thor actually looks like he is about to agree with what Odin was going to say. Like he was hoping Odin was going to say something about how Kratos needed to pay his debt to his sons. But then Thor immediately showed resentment when Odin says that it was self defense for what Kratos did. It's very small to notice but it's a very realistic detail for GOWR
I love how Odin comes in a says "how about peace" And isn't Kratos so nice to not point out "I found peace until your son Balder came looking for a fight and your two underlings came with him to stir the pot. I found peace and it was you who made war, which I'm going to finish"
the VA they got for Thor sounds so freaking amazing, i swear when hes not shouting and just speaks calmly, he sounds like Josh Brolins Thanos, GOD LIKE
“You know my past?.. then you know what I’m capable of!” Kratos is with all the smoke! Also the simple “No” after Odin’s whole peace pitch kills me 😂. Just beat the game last night. Immaculate.
Actually it's not that. Blood-Debt isn't vengeance, it was a payment you could demand for being wronged. Like the killing of a member of your family. You could demand that payment in blood, literally, to fight against someone either to the death or until you were satisfied the debt was repaid.
Didn't really think much of Odin's design but after seeing more and more of his character, how manipulative and conniving he is, I totally dig the design.
Man, despite being probably a cool drinking buddy, Thor in this game has this intimidating/menacing aura just emanating from his belly. And the situation is even more tense because, instead of swords clashing, fists ripping through the air, it's all about the good ol' adult talk where you sit down and talk about the issues. Like how you messed up as a young kid and now someone's parents is sitting down in the table with you giving the good ol' talk.
Thor definitely looks like a strong man competitor or powerlifter it's pretty cool they add actual power physique over the muscular shredded physique on Thor
On a rewatch, Thor refusing to drink mead takes on a new meaning when we learn he was trying to stay sober. Not only did Odin mock Thor's sons as worthless right in front of him, but he also mocked his son for trying to stay sober.
I didn’t notice until the second playthrough that he slams the cup in front of Thor multiple times and then dramatically drinks the mead in front of him a few times. Odin was an even bigger douche the second time when you catch all the subtle shit
@@sctkarter1111 Another subtle hint of what jerk Odin is that he waits until after Thor confirms it is safe before entering. Wanting to avoid a fight with Kratos is understandable, however, Odin sent his son in first. Like miners sending a canary into a mine tunnel to test for poisonous gases, if the canary didn't survive, miners knew the shaft wasn't safe.
I love the details about Thor's sobriety. He pours himself a cup but only smells it before sticking his finger in to run the mead along his hammer. Odin sees it as an act of defiance against him, encouraging him to drink and become his lapdog enforcer again. He sees it as Thor siding with his family against Odin, the likes of which Odin will kill him for in the end.
Yeah and when he said “you should’ve said something before I poured” maybe implying he was pouring the mead into the cups for Atreus and Kratos not himself.
@@lordmonocr6206 That line comes off as funny at first until we learn Thor is a recovering alcoholic, and he struggles with the temptation to drink whenever alcohol is in front of him.
God, I was squealing on my couch like a fanboy when Odin came in. I was so happy that we finally got to see Odin after all the build-up in the previous game, and so soon in the game, no less. I was wondering for a second whether Mimir would be part of this conversation, and thankfully, he was. He made a wonderful addition: past foes reunite as bitter blood boiled. And Thor, god he was so intimidating. His voice almost sounded like Thanos. It reminded me of Inglorious Basterds, when Landa entered the French home and conversed with Lepedite, with even casually pouring drinks being an act of tension. It really set the mood of how dangerous and important this meeting was. It was all wonderful!
Odin is like a godfather or a mob boss. Because that’s what he was like in the mythology. Whereas Thor… he’s just a badass, he’s so fucking badass in this game, need I say more? They did such a phenomenal job creating this game!!!
8:33 "Not going hard, I wanted to hear all dialogue." I'm not judging you; the dialogue's the best part! The voice actors really earned their keep with this sequel! 😉
One little detail I love…the wound that Kratos inflicts when he hits Thor in the gut never actually heals. He still has the wound in every subsequent cutscene. Shows you the craftsmanship of the Huldra brothers
I believe that wound didn’t heal because the axe was still laced with Jormungandr’s venom from the first game. But the Huldra brothers did indeed make the perfect foil for Mijolnir
That scene in part one where Kratos throws his axe in to the lake and Jormengandr spits it back, there is a caption “eitir imbued”. It’s a poison capable of killing Thor in the old stories. That’s why the wound does not heal.
You know the one detail that a lot of people miss the first time, myself included, is the fact that by saying "No" to the deal, Kratos was actually protecting Freya. He knew that if he accepted the deal, even IF it could be trusted, it would be at the cost of sacrificing Freya to them. So instead of making HER a target, he chose the harder road instead by making himself the target. Honestly, there's so much subtlety and nuance to these characters' actions that I can't help but admire the hells out of it. Good job devs~! 😃👍
And by missed you mean the people who didnt read the journal entries. Which I can see how most people wouldnt bother looking at it with this kind of game. Hey, their loss though.
You have to love the little attention to detail like Kratos reaching for his axe when Odin put his hands on Atreus shoulder ready to defend him. Every GOW story is so incredibly well told. I don’t know if there’s a video game hall of fame but every person who’s had a hand in making each and every game 1-5 deserves to be inducted. Absolutely incredible.
At 7:40 The sound of that hammer is just so ear catching!! I love how it started to sound, it warmed up before it reached Thor's hand and knocked Kratos through the roof!!
Coming back to this, 13:48 when he said "this feels familiar" cos it is. A side quest when Kratos finds reasons why theres an identical iced lighting in Vanahiem, completing the quest reveals that Faye and Thor fought too, with the same weapons clashing, causing that iconic iced lightning. Pretty cool detail that you'd just brush off when watching this for the first time.
I love how well these games show Kratos' strategic side - he may not be tricksy and manipulative like Odin, but he is always evaluating the situation and thinking ahead. At 3:34 when Odin knocks, you can see him do the calculation - address the unknown threat but leave Atreus with an unsupervised Thor, or have Atreus deal with whoever's at the door (and bear in mind, last time this happened it was Baldur) but never take his eyes off Thor. It only takes a moment, but he (rightly) deduces that until proven otherwise, Thor is the biggest threat.
Let's take a moment to analyze this little meeting: Odin and Thor come to Kratos's home, invoke sacred hospitality, let him know that they are well aware of who he is, and try to negotiate for peace, what with Odin's offer being surprisingly reasonable regarding his terms He knows Kratos is more trouble than he is worth, and attempts diplomacy first, because Kratos actually has a strong position from which to negotiate in the first place However, in their brief exchange, Odin shows just how casually callous he is about everything and everyone, ranging from his own family to his ex-prisoner to his ex-wife Kratos needs only 3 minutes to get a grasp on Odin's character, and this is enough for him to decide that, even though his deals sound appealing , he wants NOTHING to do with Odin; he is NOT someone he can trust As for Thor, he is just as callous, if not more, and it's clear he's only bothering with hospitality and diplomacy because Odin calls the shots He not only mocks Kratos for trying to be a good father to his son, he gleefully admits he couldn't give a hot shit about being one himself: his only interest is having fun, even at the expense of everyone else He is well aware that Kratos singlehandedly decimated an entire pantheon, and this only makes him grow excited at the prospective challenge He only leaves Kratos alone after he shows a glimpse of his power as the God of War, of the Ghost of Sparta His bloodlust is sated for the moment, but it's clear that soon he will be back for more Oh, and Kratos is clearly disappointed in Atreus for searching for Týr, like that's not asking for trouble He doesn't say anything; he doesn't have to at this point He does, however, put his hand on the Leviathan Axe when Odin points at him, subtly indicating that Atreus is still his son, and that threatening him is a death wish
Well, for starters, Kratos doesn't trust gods at all since he's been betrayed like 10 times before by them, I mean it took almost an entire game for Freya to gain his trust. Then here comes Odin, offering "to good to be true" deals.
Why is everyone forgetting the fact that although Odin might be someone not to trust Odin is in the right the entire time. Ever since kratos got there he’s been causing damage even if it was self defense. Odin gives kratos all these deals because reality is kratos is in the wrong here and it kinda makes kratos and loki look greedy. They caused ragnarok to start by killing baldur, they killed thors sons even if it was self defense but Odin still asks for peace and for them to stay out the way. I mean even if Odin set all of this up to make kratos look bad it really does just make kratos look bad but kratos doubles down anyways even though Odin said he’ll forgive kratos for everything he has done.
I like how Odin sends Thor and two ravens that fly in while the door was open. The ravens see if it is safe and Thor to handle the situation in case Kratos is hostile. Only after Odin determines that Kratos will not out right attack does Odin make himself known.
I like how thor tells kratos to stop holding back throughout the fight and actually knows what kratos is capable of and doesn't really underestimate him
@@adad87821 *SPOILERS* I'd disagree with you, but after playing Gow Ragnarok, I can confirm that Kratos himself *is Ragnarok.* Hence, why Odin was "afraid" of him.
Not to mention, he has clearly gotten too comfortable with knowing the future. With Baldur dying sooner than he expected, he clearly doesnt have as much control of the outcome as he would have
This was one of those moments in gaming history that ive been waiting so damn long for, The first meeting of these gods and it did not disappoint it was everything I hoped for and more
It’s funny you should say that. Like when Odin is in his study and he’s talking to Mugin and Huggin, the scene is set up to look like he’s in a conference call or something 😂
I haven't seen any comments about this. But their approach on Odin gives me massive Hades from Disney Hercules vibes. That slimy, cunning, mob boss vibe. Love the way he says "you silver tongued little shit"
I love that Thor doesn't drink at all during this scene, because A. trying to be a recovering alcoholic for his family (and himself) B. knows he's about to go toe to toe with a man who killed an entire pantheon near single handedly (and that man also refused to drink) Fantastic details.
I love the script and direction of this game. 3:13 when Thor says Kratos seems like a calm and reasonable person he then asks him if he's truly like that while looking at and touching Mjolnir, threatening Kratos
All Odin Scenes here: ua-cam.com/video/49dZf_kBPsg/v-deo.htmlsi=DubwWdrkXF54L1FZ
All Thor Scenes here: ua-cam.com/video/uVJvaVFUn6M/v-deo.htmlsi=AgcPtGDUc43c-2wq
Won't be long before somebody makes a vid of this Thor beating the hell out of the other one. Also I expect that Atreus will have half of his father's strength by the time he's full grown.
Your trash I wasn’t this bad when I fought him the time
@@IDONTPLAYGAMESHO Who are we talking to?
And a UA-camr named Danco did a comparison video of the two Thors. Funny thing, when he talked about the MCU Thor, he used some feats from the movies. When he talked about GOW Thor, he talked mostly about Kratos' feats. At one point I forgot it was a Thor vs Thor vid.
I just said ur trash at the game I don’t need a personal summary from u 😂😂😂
U didn't let him kill you it's happens no matter what
I love how the very first scene of Thor and Odin shows you which one is the true bad guy. Thor asks for permission to come in, brings a gift, accepts the offered seat and puts his weapon on the table as a sign of peace. He shows utmost respect for the host in his home, even if his intentions are ultimately to fight him. Meanwhile, Odin barges in unannounced, uninvited, takes what he pleases and struts around like he owns the place.
😮😮😮😮
Technically, Odin does own the place.
It's not Kratos' land.
@@DarkoRavens wym this isnt asgard
@@lui1367 Odin owns the lands of Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Denmark) like Zeus owns Greece
Putting the weapon on the table was a sign of intimidation not peace. At least that’s how I saw it
The fact that odin talks for 6 minutes and kratos says no and refuse to elaborate is perfect
Sigma moment
Kratos truly is the embodiment of Speech 100
I'm not a long time follower of GOW but I did wonder why Kratos did not accept Odin's deal if all kratos wanted was to live in peace and avoid any fighting. Anyone know?
@@porfiriato84 although he considered it before, he did it for Freya, because Freya saved Atreus and Kratos would not want Freya to be removed if he were to accept the deal
@@Anderson-yn4or ahh okay. Makes sense.
I love how you've got Christopher Judge (Kratos) and Ryan Hurst (Thor) duking it out to see who has the most intimidating voice, and then you've got Richard Schiff (Odin) strolling into the room sounding like someone's Uncle.
Odin the Mob-Father
I love how he walks in, uninvited, says “You know who I am,” and grabs himself a seat. He has so much audacity.
@@fissilewhistle Then he downs both drinks, though he did try to get Thor off the wagon.
@@zsu-23-4shilka2 the Godfather
I honestly love the fact that Odin looks and sounds like basically just a regular old dude. Fits his nature in mythology as a manipulator as opposed to Zeus who was, let’s say, head forward in Greek mythology
"If he tells you snow is white, he's lying." That line always gives me chills. It makes you wonder just how deep and thought out Odin's deceptions can be.
Snow is not white after blood shed.
Or another liquid.
@@ГригорийГ-ч4н I always wondered what the yellow snow that I use to eat was
What kind of wisdom is that?
He means to say that even though Odin may tell you a blatant truth, its all a part of one big lie ultimately benefitting him and him only. Well said Mimir
You can really hear the Senator Armstrong and Celebrimbor in Mimir's lines here.
Thors tiny, tiny little emotional look away when Odin says his sons were 'kinda useless' is quite telling.
also when Odin touched Atreus's shoulder, Kratos is seen slowly reaching his axe. this scene is pretty well-thought
@@ada0015 I love the detail when Keaton reaches for his ax.
As Mimir called him: the All-Fucker
White people today carry thor's sons genetics
@@kengvue1699 I think you mean kratos right? I just wanna fix the word that's all
“Bout time” was such a brilliant line to start the fight with, acknowleding the audience’s wait for this fight.
Or the fact he really really wanted to beat Kratos’ ass the whole time and was waiting for the okay from papa
Kind of confused me because Thor looked annoyed when Odin told him to not take all day. Maybe Thor was insulted by that remark? Or perhaps he is very lazy despite wanting nothing more than to bash Kratos’ skull in.
@@blank4142 He clearly enjoys figthing so i guess he was annoyed his dad did not allow him to take his time enjoying it.
@@Morten_Storvik I think his reaction was more of a “should’ve done this from the start”. Thor probably wanted to just fight immediately but was being held back by Odin.
@@blank4142 It's also because Odin forbade him from killing Kratos here. Thor hates doing his father's bidding and would rather just avenge his sons and brother.
5:39 I really like how when Odin motions towards Atreus it’s kratos’s first instinct to reach for his axe. It’s a small but telling detail on his protectiveness.
He reaches for the axe twice, both times when Atreus is mentioned or touched.
Same with 6:54
Also, near the end, Kratos only puts his hands on Thor when he mentions Atreus 15:49
Really got to applaud the writers and the actors here. Not a dud in the damn bunch, and there's nary a beat they missed.
My god these guys are good at their job.
11:26 “This is the god that murdered a pantheon because they hurt his feelings?!” Even I was like damn! That hurt
His feelings? Kratos has the ashes of his family on his skin, as an eternal memory of how he had been manipulated not unlike Thor. He was godly pissed
@@mauromurgia1753 He got his revenge on Ares for that.
Beyond that, though...
I bet Kratos was like "And you're here because i offended you by killing your dumbass cousins... Or is it for the Greek Wine?"
"If he tells you snow is white, HE'S LYING"
I absolutely love this line
Conclusion: Odin pissed in the snow
@@benjamin3658 Or there’s blood in the snow
Theres something inside that is white coloured but isnt snow
And odins response “can the smartest HEAD alive not see past himself?” I really laughed when he didnt say man
@@dragonballa5083 or Odin pissed blood into the snow
Little things you notice the second playthrough:
- Thor doesn't actually drink the mead because he's trying to go sober
- "You're no fun anymore" is because Odin could order Thor around when he was wasted. Now that he's sobered up, he's probably not obeying Odin unquestioningly anymore.
- Odin cares more about the value Baldur had than the fact that he was his son, quickly showing the player how selfish he really is.
- Huginn and Munnin, Odin's ravens, become his tattoos when he calls them back.
- The camera almost seems to "huddle" behind Kratos when Thor is talking like whoever is holding it is pissing their pants in terror
- The very SECOND Odin even acknowledges Atreus, Kratos reaches for the axe. No one threatens his Boi.
The Boi is the only thing keeping the ghost of sparta contained. You mess with him, the ghost will come out to play...
Odin also places the mead cup directly in front of Thor trying to get him to drink up again.
I was just rewatching cause I am having a god of war phrase again and when I was reading your comment and saw the names for Odin's raven I now FINALLY REALIZED ON WHY MY BROTHER NAMED HIS TWO TURKEYS WITH THOSE SAME NAMES, I feel like such a idiot it took me 2 whole years to figure out our turkeys were a god of war reference
@@bradleyadams5252 exactly, Heimdall learned it the hard way 😂😂
1.Kratos also says to Atreus to hide Mimir before Thor come in.
2. Odin's ravens anyway find Mimir under the bed.
When I first saw Odin, I was kind of surprised. I imagined Odin as an old and grizzled, but still physically intimidating warrior with a deep voice, not a small, fragile old man.
But since Odin was kind of a treacherous trickster-like manipulator in norse mythology, i think the design and personality fits him.
Thor, of course, is badass. Maybe the best depiction of him i have ever seen.
I actually loved this design exactly because of how he looks “Fragile” that actually makes him even more mysteriously more intimidating and not to mention I love they made him look exactly like his voice actor
@@angelzumaya8098 yeah i agree with that
In a conversation regarding Atreus asking if he’s going to be as buff as father, both Kratos and Mimir mention that working out is a separate thing to their divine powers, Baldur for example he was skinny yet he could give Kratos a run for his money.
Essentially, a buff body for a god is just aesthetics, their true powers lie in their divinity, and Odin is definitely a VERY powerful one since he has been seeking and studying ALL the magic in his realm.
Something tells me this may not even be his real form
The thing is. This version of Thor is actually accurate based of Norse mythology 😊
0:59 if you listen closely with the volume up it sounds like Kratos says "hide Mimir." Cool detail.
Yeah sounds like it
@Killllr0y yes he did. Cause hes from asgard and he and Odin dont like each other
@@Killllr0y i said "sounds like." Please read attentively brother. Also...I mean what else would he be whispering to him? Mimir is a head and his friend. Thor's an alcoholic mass murderer the size of a building. And they hadn't even met Odin yet lol.
He definitely said that
@@Killllr0yIts either your hearing is just really bad i literaly used a headset to listen closely and i heard him say Mimir's name
Odin: “Lets make peace.”
Kratos: “This game is called God of War, not God of Peace”
If they saw your Pug, peace would have surely ensured :)
Lol!
Omg your pug is adorable
He knew about the fourth wall.
Should have been named God of Peace.
I love how they made odin. So passive aggressive. So intelligent and cunning. Perfect
That in part of the great Richard Schiff’s acting. Check out the West Wing to see him at his greatest.
He is like a mafia boss.
I think Odin needed to have a more elegant personality. He should have been more quiet and mysterious. Odin in this game doesn't seem like "The All-father" at all.
@@IndranilRC well, I agree with you at some point. But I think that this is more "fitting" as he is not the all father by pure force and elegance, BUT mostly from manipulating everyone around him. That's why I disagree but your opinion is valid and I understand what you mean
@@IndranilRC I disagree, in the myths he is a selfish trickster. He once "disguises" himself as an old man so he can insult Thor and brag about sleeping with a bunch of women
The fake death into being defibrillated by Mjolnir is the best thing I’ve ever seen. Whoever came up with that should be immediately given some kind of medal.
Quickest death Kratos has ever gone through.
I was literally like “WHAT THE FUCK DUDE”
@@Thuddudud ME TOO
The writing for this game is brilliant. Takes your expectations on a roller coaster ride from the very beginning.
@@Thuddudud I was certain I was mashing circle more than enough
I love how Mimir says “if he tells you snow is white he is lying!” Pretty much showing that Odin’s language is lies, even when he tells the truth, he is twisting something for his own selfish gain
Snow isn't white actually, it's transparent and only reflect the sun light☝️🤓
The camera pan to show the size difference between Kratos and Thor, before he walks inside, is brilliant.
To the audience the whole "half-giant" thing isn't immediately apparent. Thor is just some dude rocking up to the house surrounded by lightning, welding a hammer to our imagination and knowledge of past interpretations. Next to Kratos, and we know how big Kratos is; Thos is a mountain x
To be fair kratos is way shorter than almost of humanized god characters
@@zero1188 Tgey decreased his height from the Greek saga to the norse
GOW 3 Kratos would be towering over Thor
@@TheMETALICA40 kratos is 6”6. Or 7”6 in the comic. This would mean most people he fight around 7”4 plus
@@TheMETALICA40 i mean us Mediterraneans are mostly shorter than northern people, even tho in Italy or Greece there are even people that tall.
For exaple here in Italy I find very often tall people like 2m,1.90m, etc etc
Especially from the center of Italy or North.
There are also in the south now but that is normal…
Leaving this aside he still is a God so… yea
“You seem like a calm and reasonable person”
Never though I’d hear that ever muttered about Kratos
He is a calm and reasonable person. It’s not like he killed all the Greek Gods in the most brutal way possible,while indirectly leaving the entirely of Greece in shambles. Right?
@@elithornton5217 Oh, yeah. Totally.
@@elithornton5217 well, some of the Greek gods are still out there: Artemis, Apollo and Aphrodite, Hecate and Demeter and actually many others (unless they dies off-screen). And to certain degree, Athena is also still around, might even return knowing her wits.
@@elithornton5217
Kratos has his reasons and I’m sure Thor knows.
Except Kratos is still a threat to the Norse pantheon
@@lenardbordo9838 kratos only killed the gods who chose to stand in his way (heracles) or willingly pissed him off (hera)
Ryan Hurst did an outstanding job voicing Thor I love the dialogue between kratos and him
Is he the guy who looks more like Baldur? Coincidence he voice acts Thor, but you're right. He did a phenomenal job.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 yeah he looks a little bit like baldur he also was beta on the walking dead
All of the voice acting in this game is top notch!
Honestly when I first got to this cutscene although I knew it was the actor who played Oppie in S.O.A, my first thought was that it was Josh Brolin/Thanos xD
@@paciiiimijak Opie!!!!
6:56 the _moment_ Odin lays his hand on Loki…such a good dad
A little detail I noticed is when Odin already knows where to pull up a chair on the side even though he just entered the room. They really went with the whole "all seeing, all knowing" thing real good.
He had the crows checking everything before entering the house
@@ixams which really fits with what we know of the character so far from the first game. Odin really sent in the ravens to scope out the place just so he could pretend to know the whole layout of the house.
I think it establish how careful Odin is too , even coming to someone's home he need to have his Raven check for potential traps
Like someone already said, two of his ravens went in with Thor. He isn't gonna enter a space with someone like Kratos before he has a chance to scope it out, and have some incredible backup in his son. Lol
@@MrSimonsays2592 yeah no shit. I was merely pointing out the attention to detail. They didn't have to include that bit in but they did and I think it's worth a point
The fact that Odin feels nothing for the loss of his grandsons and is only upset about the death of his son because he happened to be a useful asset tells you about his callousness. The way he looks and carries himself shows he's a talker, not a doer. And he's so slick with his appeals to supposedly shared interests that you know he's a master manipulator. Such wonderful character building in just one scene.
Well, you got MOST of that right....
Odin is both a talker and a doer, don’t let his size fool you he’s definitely one of the strongest gods kratos has come across, not the strongest in strength but knowledge
Yh that's just in this game he's not a manipulator in the original mythology
Odin Is a patron of the Berserkergang among Vikings. Don't underestimate his exterior.
That... and plus how quickly he turns on Thor...Thor never attacked him... never raised his weapon against him.... never even insulted him... he just dropped his weapon and told him no and Odin killed him without hesitation
One of the best boss fights in the entire series. He goes man to man with Kratos, doesn't even pull out Mjlonir until Kratos has his axe back.
Not even close. This is just a warm up fight.
It shows just how much stronger Thor is than Baldur. He bragged about not being his brother, if not for his invulnerability he would've died in the first encounter. Thor resurrected Kratos just to fight him again.
Until he got socked by Kratos’s real strength
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 I don't think that's what Baldur meant, Baldur meant like if Kratos gave him the answers he was seeking, Baldur would've left him alone
Thor seems like he would've seeked trouble with Kratos even if Kratos gave him his answers
@@itsjordan1042 what makes you think that
This encounter was surprisingly more civil than I was imagining.
you could feel the tension in the room though kratos was 100 % on guard the whole time
of course, after all kratos is a calm and reasonable person
You weren't the only one expecting something more chaotic
That's the beauty of it
The easter egg in the previous game gave the impression that Thor would come to avenge his brother and children
Turns out, he doesn't really give a rat's ass about them, he just wants to fight Kratos
After daddy has his talk with the man first, I mean
@@zachjohnson9391
I sure was expecting something more... Chaotic.
I love how, in his diary, Kratos directly admits he was about to accept Odin's offer until he mentioned Freya because, in his own words, making a deal against her with her ex-husband is "unacceptable".
So, essentially Odin didn't know when to shut up. 😂
Well he was considering it
Nah he also makes refence to Mimir's counsel as part of the reason for saying no, though he does admit that without it he would have been tempted into accepting
@@gerardgag It's all of the above, this conversation was not going to end well because Odin makes critical mistakes throughout the entire conversation. These are according to me all the reasons that Kratos said "No".
1) Obviously, Mimir told him what kind of person Odin was
2) Odin belittles Thor's sons and Baldur while Thor is present, not realising how f'ed up that is and also failing to understand that Kratos did not act in self defense all the time, like with Modi. Valhalla confirms that Kratos noticed this. Odin also tries to coax Thor into drinking again, although Kratos might not have noticed that.
3) The lore also mentions that Kratos found it unacceptable that Odin was aware of the whole Týr search while he was not. Odin admits here that he has been spying on Atreus and Kratos.
4) Odin is physically intrusive with Atreus all the time, to the point that Kratos (although he's ALWAYS cautious) grabs his axe when Odin gets close to Atreus.
5) Disrespect to Mimir, which is understandable, but this is Kratos' best friend.
6) Finally, the offer about Freya. Odin might be unaware of the close relationship Kratos and Freya had and also doesn't know that Kratos' has been actively avoiding her the entire time. And Kratos knows what this deal means: imprisoning or killing one of his (past) close friends.
Odin fails to understand who Kratos is and thus falls flat on his face with his manipulations.
@@belgiantheorizer2145 Amazing analysis, but if I may make one final point.
Kratos still fears his past, one major factor of that is that every deal with a God he has made has cost him dearly one way or another. The biggest one was the deception by Ares which started this whole game series in the first place. But then again, every other God who had made a deal with him has screwed him over. Persephone comes to mind. Even if Odin knew that (which I would claim he doesn’t since he doesn’t bring it up) he still tried to make a deal with the one person who distrusts a God’s word on principle. Was Kratos tempted? Yes. That is the point of all the deals. Every one promised him something he wanted. But he knows the cost will come back to haunt him.
i like to think Odin offering to “keep Freya off your back” actually pushed Kratos even further to declining it. He knows what Freya has been through and as we see a little later he truly feels she’s still an ally even when she’s trying to kill him
If you read the journal entry he mentions that
Facts, I agree.
I thought he was listening to mimir. Turns out he was rejects the odin's offer for freya? Kratos changed a lot😂
Yeah, he respects Freya and feels indebted to her for saving Atreus, the idea of betraying her (to someone who's already used and betrayed her) wouldn't sit well with him full stop - but even more so given his history of being used by the Greek gods.
@@Centaur1991thats it. Op is idiot
Imagine being in atreus's place and all the 3 of them looks at u like that 5:46
I love how the reason Kratos rejected Odin's ultimatum is twofold, as explained in the journal: One, most obviously, because Mimir told him not to, and Mimir is one of a very slim number of people who Kratos trusts. Two, and most interestingly, Odin's promise to kill Freya in return for standing down: Kratos still considers her a friend and does not hold her attempts to kill him against her in the slightest, because he knows he would do the same in her position. He REFUSES to side with her ex against her; even as mortal enemies.
Also, because well... Odin is pretty much the Norse Zeus, and there was just no way in hell Kratos was ever going to make another deal with a god like that after everything he's been through with them
I don’t think he said no because Mimir said so, I’m pretty sure a codex said that he said no because he refuses to make another deal with a god
I'm very glad you made a point to bring up the first reason. So many people only point to the Freya reason and act like the former isn't a factor in the slightest, like Kratos would've accepted the offer otherwise.
The only calm and reasonable comment here. Respect.
Freya saved his son. I think sparing her was a big deal of a reason there.
Odin seems like a mob boss rather than a king of gods.
That's what I was thinking too, but it's oddly fitting.
@@redfireeverstar2651 The All-Father? More like The Godfather.
@@arabtrooper3929 "The GODfather." Double meaning. Simply poetic
pretty accurate to how he is in norse mythology
@@thefunnyjoker4228 Thanks, cause he is not as strong as people would think
The simple act of Odin drinking from both cups at Kratos' home showed me everything I needed to know about him. I love it.
Very perceptive of you.
Can you explain? I don't get it.
@@stassyan he’s the big cheese, arrogant and thinks he is above everyone else because he sacrificed his eye and hung himself to be omniscient (all knowing). Hence why he drank from both cups
@@oscars4608 While thats true in real norse myth, in this game he did not sacrifice an eye while being hung
@@stassyan He's a dick. Show you right at the start, so you don't fall for his shit later on.
Odin’s “You know who I am.” as a statement as opposed to a question is maybe the perfect opening line for a character introduction. That single statement shows all you need to know about this guy.
That's for the react channels.
Idiot reactor: "Oh (sherbet) is that Odin?"
Odin: "You know who I am."
With a slight bit of contempt in his voice looking at Atreus but also the camera.
These are INCREDIBLE depictions of the characters. Thor is a drunken, somewhat comedic old fat guy, yet an absolute powerhouse, and his entire personality is that he is Odin's greatest weapon. Odin is the head honcho, the great evil, yet he's so human, so softspoken, so polite. Every cutscene with them is absolutely fantastic to watch.
That's the brilliant part: He's actually the least human character in the entire series. He makes even Zeus look like a good guy in comparison. But he's so damn manipulative he makes himself look human.
@@brunowillich1837 yeah, Zeus is a prick but at the very least he's a prick that knows he is one, meanwhile Odin is a serial killer dressed like a pope while hiding bodies on his basement
*FUN FACT:* The way Odin conducts himself in this game is the same way all women do.
If you think Odin is evil, then by extension you must believe women are evil.... unless you're a cuck.
*EDIT:*
Look at all these cucks spazzing out, proving my point better than any words ever could, lmao.
@@Archedgaryou were more fun when you weren't on the internet
magnificent
I love it at 6:55 when Odin puts his hand on Atreus and Kratos first instinct is to get a hold on the axe. Kratos always ready
Wow never noticed that
amazing detail!
same as 5:39 the first time he even just acknowledges Atreus Kratos is ready to throw it down
Is that why Odin paused?
Or what is it csude Atreus pulled away
I like how the Norse gods are kind of being presented as like a Mafia family unlike the Greek gods who were like a royal family
Edit: dang that’s a lot of likes
I think that's pretty much what the Norse gods are
Imagine if Zeus & Odin teamed up; the two kings (or mob boss, in Odin’s case) would control the world!
Either that or Kratos would kill them both in about a week.
Okay i like this comment
Germanic gods*. They were the gods of all Germanic people including Anglo-Saxons. It’s just the Norse where the last to worship them.
Don thor
Olympian allfather: Don't confuse this...object...this construction of Hephaestus with your own flesh and blood.
Norse allfather: This little shit.
When Odin said to kratos: I’ll settle your DEBT with my EX . Me , in my mind right now it just felt wrong
Thor’s design is really good now that we’ve gotten a better look at him. I love it.
His eyebags look like drunk person
Yes this is how Thor should look like. Not that Marvel stuff
Mimir was right about Thor being blood thirsty (this version anyway.) But as we see he can be civil.
@@Mash3OH3 you’re so right, because MCU Thor is literally a fraction as good as this lmfao
@@Howlingburd19
Actually I much prefer Bro Thor when he gained weight and was being a recluse.
I was laughing way to hard when Odin pulled up. The “self defense” line absolutely sent me since he seemed more charismatic then I was expecting.
But then you realize when you think back to magnis words "surrender the all father DEMANDS it"
Odin literally effed around and found out
And also his own callous attitude towards his own family basically shrugging off their deaths. Even Baldur he was more angry at losing an asset rather than a son.
I was like, "Excuse me!!" You sent your son (Baulder) and Grandson's, and you call that in self-defense
"Pot calling the kettle black"
@@dakotacarmel4640 well, it originally WAS a misunderstanding. But Kratos doesn't do misunderstandings.
He has that sleazy used car salesman charisma.
6:10 really love how odin's anger slipped through his voice when talking to mimir,it really shows his vengeful and petty side of him
fun fact:
at 16:21 when Thor throws his tooth out, if you go back to the frozen lightning bolt in that area you’ll see the tooth still sitting there on the ground. it stays there the entire game.
I just noticed that Kratos' dialogue gets progressively more savage as the fight goes on(I.e. "You started this! I will end it!" and then "You will join your sons!"). Thor was already drawing out Kratos' previous mentality.
That was scary
@@scotty7656badass*
Both
The funny thing is, if Kratos actually stopped controlling his rage and did not work to change his fate, Thor still would have killed him. It's only because Kratos chose to be better that the outcome was changed.
I read "you will join your sons!" with T.C Carson's voice in my head and it's perfect
Couple little touches I love: the fact that Kratos and Atreus made sure to hide Mimir before Thor walked in (and Atreus immediately grabbed him when he started talking) and how every time Odin steps towards Atreus Kratos grabs his axe. There’s so much attention to detail in just this scene
I didn't even notice the latter. Good eye.
Love Thor’s line for Mimir; “He’s lost weight.”
Not only clearly antagonistic humor toward his physical state, but also a reflection of how they truly no longer hold him in any regard whatsoever, further cementing Odin’s offer for them to keep him. Don’t know for sure if this was the exact intent of the line, but brilliant nonetheless!!
I think it’s just a joke.
Odin wasn't expecting Mimir to escape through such unconventional means, but both he and Thor know he's not worth fighting Kratos to get back. They both know war is coming and Mimir is useless to them. Getting him to stop giving strategy to Kratos might be a good idea, but clearly they were dissatisfied with the advice they got from him. So again: not worth the trouble.
I was thinking of the irony of a big fat guy making a weight related jest.
Also calling him the smartest head instead of the smartest man was a jab at him.
The more you watch this, the more little details you pick up that just make it so fantastic.
The way in which Oden knocks is immediately disrespectful and hostile with its intensity, Odin just walks in without even waiting to be invited, The way Odin says "You know who I am" implying he's not here to waste time with pointless introductions, Thor doesn't budge to open the door but keeps his eyes fixed on it the entire time until Odin enters the room, Odin without permission enters their home, grabs a chair and sits at the head of the table where he feels he belongs, Thor keeps his eyes almost permanently fixed on Kratos only breaking for moment when his sons are mentioned, Odin completely commands the room drinking from both cups and walking around willfully ( He also turns his back to them which is interesting because it's clear he doesn't perceive them as a threat at this point).
And I'm sure there's more subtle stuff that I miss that I could pick up on over several more Playthroughs, but this introduction is done beautifully and immediately establishes Odin as an antagonist and the type of threat he represents.
Thor reviving Kratos just to keep fighting him is the COLDEST shit I've EVER seen
Never saw something like this in a Boss Fight! Badass
*I say when we're done.*
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He only brings him back because he knows he's holding back his power and wants to see the real Kratos.
@Ben Eadie ok
Funny thing is, I thought I did screw up after failed attempting to defend myself from Thor. In a few seconds, it’s back to screen and actually revived by Thor getting me “oh shit!” So genuine.
I've never played any God of War games but I could watch these cutscenes all day. The amount of detail put into them is a modern marvel.
They're so absorbing and captivating. The continuous shots, the voice acting. I feel like I'm hanging on their every word.
I recommend playing God of War 3, 4 (2018) and 5 (Ragnarök). Three is drastically different from the newer games, but it will give a good sense of why Kratos is ashamed of his past.
@@FallenOne669 it would also help to play or watch the older games cutscenes uploaded on UA-cam to understand why Kratos was so angry the entirety of 3.
Just in case anyone needs the chronological timeline of the games,
Ascension, chains of Olympus, 1, ghost of Sparta, 2, 3, GOW 2018 (4), Ragnarok.
Wtf why everything had to be related to marvel ? 💀
@@rifqiiszaree3393 he's not talking about the company.
Everyone is complimenting Hurst for his incredible voice acting performance, but no one seems to be mentioning Richard Schiffs incredible job as Odin!
I agree Richard Schiffs played Odin amazingly
Everyone did a Great job
Probably because Thor was a more interesting character (at least to me) than Odin. Odin was a manipulator but you could always tell that he was in control and that he felt that he was so much better than everyone whereas with Thor, he looks intimidating but when you get to know him during Atreus’ time in Asgard, you see just how BROKEN he is and how he has resigned himself to just being a monster. Thor and Kratos needed more scenes together because they really do have a lot in common. Hell, when Kratos and Atreus went to Helheim, they could have called a truce with the Aesir to deal with Garm and had Kratos and Atreus team up with Thor there. That would have been awesome!
@@KingCasual1986 Odin is miles more interesting in my opinion
Incredible job ? You’re joking right? The All Father sounding like some trickster white old guy from the south that looks like he has cancer? Thor was great but Odin? Hell NO
The first 7 minutes of this scene felt like a Tarantino film. The absolute tension building simply from Thor and Odins presence even being in Kratos’s home is palpable for the moment Thor asks if he can come in.
I stumbled upon a quote from the book The White Raven from Robert Low: “I had forgotten that, while Thor hurls his Hammer from storm-clouds, Odin prefers his strike to come out of a calm sky.” The way Thor announced his coming with earthshaking thunder and lightning while Odin simply knocked on the door... it just perfectly mirrored that quote. I absolutely love the writing of this game. And the casting, the acting, you can see Thor's pain in his every move. I think Thor is the best thing about this game. So well written and portrayed.
"If he tells you snow is white, he's LYING!" Holy crap man idk why thats such a brutal, direct, and easy to understand warning/insult. Comming from a man we grew to love and gain knowledge from in the last game, its just SUUUPER easy to be on Mimir's side and take his word instantly no question! EXCELLENT delivery by the actor as well I love this!
Agree I also thought that line was so well written.. Mimir feels real in that moment, like your smartest friend rly giving you a warning about someone
I agree i immediately took Mimir’s side in this scene
Mimir definitely made these two games, underrated performance.
Alistair Duncan
@@holliswilliams8426 i agree man i love mimirs companionship in this game definitely
The fake death part was literally a fucking Kojima made moment. Like, I wouldn't even expect that in this game. Genius moment.
definitely a Kojima moment lol
Literally? Like literally? Not figuratively? Literally literal? Literally? Like literally?
@@adriantrusca1245yes litterally
Fission Mailed.
@@Kuzna22 wow
It's good that Kratos whispered to Atreus and said "Hide Mimir" xD
That's literally all he says
“Shit, ill even sweeten the deal”
They low key were one writer away from odin saying “bro”
Seven Great Writers were given control of the Seven Great Words, until Lil, the strongest and most cunning of them all, was banished for constantly adding the word "bro" at the end of every sentence.
Both you and the person who replied are a gift to this comment section
Lo ki?
@@skyman6373 take my furious Like
Thor saying "this feels familiar" will mean so much more after you complete a certain quest line in Vanaheim. This game is top tier
HMMMMMM, DIDNT EVEN CATCH THAT
@@realdreamerschangetheworld7470 Yeah this is because Thor has faced Faye b4 this
Glad you commented that. Surprisingly didn’t take much scrolling
It's there in a couple of realms. Must have been some fight. Would love a prequel spin off playing Faye and kicking ass
Which line is that? I don't recall seeing thor in vanaheim
If you look carefully, when Odin raises his voice and slams his hand on the table about what Kratos did to Thor's sons, Thor actually looks like he is about to agree with what Odin was going to say. Like he was hoping Odin was going to say something about how Kratos needed to pay his debt to his sons. But then Thor immediately showed resentment when Odin says that it was self defense for what Kratos did. It's very small to notice but it's a very realistic detail for GOWR
I love how Odin comes in a says "how about peace"
And isn't Kratos so nice to not point out "I found peace until your son Balder came looking for a fight and your two underlings came with him to stir the pot. I found peace and it was you who made war, which I'm going to finish"
lol!
Thor 2018: _"BRING ME THANOS!!!"_
Thor 2022: _"BRING ME KRATOS!!!"_
Rolf 2001: _"BRING ME THE ED BOY!!!"_
Funny enough Thor faced two Godkillers in a single year, Gorr and Kratos lol
@Don Lalo even more funny and coincidental enough Gorr seems to look like Kratos
@@autophobicdestruction1048they dared mock the son of a shepherd
@@donlalo2002Thor also lost both times.
“There he is….(waves the hammer) there’s the god of war” that line still gives me chills
This Thor would break mcu Thor like a stick
And only after Kratos punches Thor, we hear the God of War theme and only for a short while.
@@lilnjdevil116uhh.. not really. This Thor can break a big building at most
@@timokolste3509 this thor hit the world serpent so hard that it got sent back in literal time
@@angeloaliazas2894 I'll give you that but lets be honest, comics Thor has done WAY more than that..
the VA they got for Thor sounds so freaking amazing, i swear when hes not shouting and just speaks calmly, he sounds like Josh Brolins Thanos, GOD LIKE
Kratos should've gone for the head.
Ryan Hurst ftw
Ryan Hurst
The Walking Dead
Sons of Anarchy
Remember the Titans
How did I just realize this guy played beta in twd
Gotta appreciate the subtlety of Kratos and Thor sizing each other up before Thor enters through the door. 0 fear from either of them.
“You know my past?.. then you know what I’m capable of!” Kratos is with all the smoke! Also the simple “No” after Odin’s whole peace pitch kills me 😂. Just beat the game last night. Immaculate.
How the hell nordic hear about ghost of sparta ?
Is because tyr ?
@@Bncxx1275 kratos has a very big reputation for murdering a pantheon word must’ve gotten around across the other realms
@@stanco1273 it means they know zeus too ?
@@Bncxx1275 yeah remember even mimir said “zues was your father? That explains a lot” when kratos and mimir see him in hel in the 4th game
I did last week also
I love the fact that Odin is voiced by Richard Schiff. It's so perfect. I also love how Thor knows who Kratos is and his past. That was a great touch.
He has so much power and gravitas in his voice. It's so withered and wise.
At first I thought Thor was voiced by Josh Brolin
I like to think thor heard rumors of kratos and always wanted to fight him
4:00
Love his tattoos appearing on his arms when the ravens return to him. Such a great detail, definitely a labour of love.
The small detail of Kratos putting his hand on his weapon whenever Odin is near Atreus is such a good detail.
I love the thought of Thor explaining blood payments, basically revenge, to a dude that has been fueled by this exact concept for 3 games
Actually it's not that. Blood-Debt isn't vengeance, it was a payment you could demand for being wronged. Like the killing of a member of your family. You could demand that payment in blood, literally, to fight against someone either to the death or until you were satisfied the debt was repaid.
Didn't really think much of Odin's design but after seeing more and more of his character, how manipulative and conniving he is, I totally dig the design.
Man, despite being probably a cool drinking buddy, Thor in this game has this intimidating/menacing aura just emanating from his belly. And the situation is even more tense because, instead of swords clashing, fists ripping through the air, it's all about the good ol' adult talk where you sit down and talk about the issues. Like how you messed up as a young kid and now someone's parents is sitting down in the table with you giving the good ol' talk.
He probably had a body like the Mountain while giant killing but since let it go to waste
@@aguywhodoesntexist that's mead and beer for ya TvT
Thor definitely looks like a strong man competitor or powerlifter it's pretty cool they add actual power physique over the muscular shredded physique on Thor
I like how big they made Thor compared to Kratos as well.. in the trailers I thought he was going to be some short Rollie pollie lol
Better than Marvel too.
Thor using Mjölnir as a defibrillator never gets old. LOL!
On a rewatch, Thor refusing to drink mead takes on a new meaning when we learn he was trying to stay sober. Not only did Odin mock Thor's sons as worthless right in front of him, but he also mocked his son for trying to stay sober.
I didn’t notice until the second playthrough that he slams the cup in front of Thor multiple times and then dramatically drinks the mead in front of him a few times. Odin was an even bigger douche the second time when you catch all the subtle shit
@@sctkarter1111 Another subtle hint of what jerk Odin is that he waits until after Thor confirms it is safe before entering. Wanting to avoid a fight with Kratos is understandable, however, Odin sent his son in first. Like miners sending a canary into a mine tunnel to test for poisonous gases, if the canary didn't survive, miners knew the shaft wasn't safe.
I love the details about Thor's sobriety. He pours himself a cup but only smells it before sticking his finger in to run the mead along his hammer.
Odin sees it as an act of defiance against him, encouraging him to drink and become his lapdog enforcer again. He sees it as Thor siding with his family against Odin, the likes of which Odin will kill him for in the end.
Yeah and when he said “you should’ve said something before I poured” maybe implying he was pouring the mead into the cups for Atreus and Kratos not himself.
@@lordmonocr6206 That line comes off as funny at first until we learn Thor is a recovering alcoholic, and he struggles with the temptation to drink whenever alcohol is in front of him.
God, I was squealing on my couch like a fanboy when Odin came in. I was so happy that we finally got to see Odin after all the build-up in the previous game, and so soon in the game, no less. I was wondering for a second whether Mimir would be part of this conversation, and thankfully, he was. He made a wonderful addition: past foes reunite as bitter blood boiled.
And Thor, god he was so intimidating. His voice almost sounded like Thanos. It reminded me of Inglorious Basterds, when Landa entered the French home and conversed with Lepedite, with even casually pouring drinks being an act of tension. It really set the mood of how dangerous and important this meeting was. It was all wonderful!
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 not my intention, just an incorrect use of a metaphor. I changed it.
@@ciscosoto5737 Me personally, I found it hilarious but not everyone thinks like us.
I also changed a comment, to keep the people guessing.
Odin is like a godfather or a mob boss. Because that’s what he was like in the mythology.
Whereas Thor… he’s just a badass, he’s so fucking badass in this game, need I say more?
They did such a phenomenal job creating this game!!!
He sounds better than Thanos,more growl in his voice
Mojoplays quoted that this sit down is like out of a Tarantino film
8:33 "Not going hard, I wanted to hear all dialogue."
I'm not judging you; the dialogue's the best part! The voice actors really earned their keep with this sequel! 😉
The axe and hammer throw was some movie shit bro damnnnn
I love that Thor sounds so modern style pissed in the fight sometimes
“DUMBASS.”
“ *THE FUCK YOU SAY?* “
Best part haha
It lives rent free in my head, I love those lines
One little detail I love…the wound that Kratos inflicts when he hits Thor in the gut never actually heals. He still has the wound in every subsequent cutscene. Shows you the craftsmanship of the Huldra brothers
I believe that wound didn’t heal because the axe was still laced with Jormungandr’s venom from the first game. But the Huldra brothers did indeed make the perfect foil for Mijolnir
That scene in part one where Kratos throws his axe in to the lake and Jormengandr spits it back, there is a caption “eitir imbued”. It’s a poison capable of killing Thor in the old stories. That’s why the wound does not heal.
You know the one detail that a lot of people miss the first time, myself included, is the fact that by saying "No" to the deal, Kratos was actually protecting Freya. He knew that if he accepted the deal, even IF it could be trusted, it would be at the cost of sacrificing Freya to them. So instead of making HER a target, he chose the harder road instead by making himself the target. Honestly, there's so much subtlety and nuance to these characters' actions that I can't help but admire the hells out of it. Good job devs~! 😃👍
Mhm exactly
That and all the times Mimir made it clear Odin is a manipulative lying backstabber.
And by missed you mean the people who didnt read the journal entries. Which I can see how most people wouldnt bother looking at it with this kind of game. Hey, their loss though.
Thor: Are you calm and reasonable person Kratos?
Meanwhile Greek pantheon: *Well, about that....*
You have to love the little attention to detail like Kratos reaching for his axe when Odin put his hands on Atreus shoulder ready to defend him. Every GOW story is so incredibly well told. I don’t know if there’s a video game hall of fame but every person who’s had a hand in making each and every game 1-5 deserves to be inducted. Absolutely incredible.
At 7:40 The sound of that hammer is just so ear catching!! I love how it started to sound, it warmed up before it reached Thor's hand and knocked Kratos through the roof!!
Bravo Brok & Sindri
It sounds almost identical to Marvel Thor's hammer.
Hurst's performance as thor is amazing.
Shame we didn't see more of him.
*Too Strong*
He needs to play more Thor.
12:08 acutally you didn't let him kill you, that part is a prank from the developers, everyone dies there
7:13 u know what’s crazy is Kratos stood up like he was ready to handle Thor and Odin at the same time
Coming back to this, 13:48 when he said "this feels familiar" cos it is. A side quest when Kratos finds reasons why theres an identical iced lighting in Vanahiem, completing the quest reveals that Faye and Thor fought too, with the same weapons clashing, causing that iconic iced lightning. Pretty cool detail that you'd just brush off when watching this for the first time.
I like how this showed how strong thor was at first, he actually murdered kratos but brought him back
@@Kylo_ren518 with his heart stopped
@@deriksandoval5263 defibrillators aren't used to jump start a heart. They're used to correct the rhythm of the heart beat.
@@brucestevenlugo2721 thank you🙏
Also can we talk about how Kratos swung his Axe, actually hit Thor, and all it did was give him essentially a "minor cut"
@@CedricBassman you mean Kratos put a big fat hole exposing Thor’s organs and it was just a “minor cut” to Him.
This fight with thor is everything I hoped for a first fight, can't wait to see more
Fr 3 rounds and he gets stronger each one!
The actual fight was a massive letdown compared to this. As usual, Sony blew its load right away to impress the players and didn't stick the landing.
The series knows how to deliver some epic first bosses. I'm honestly torn between this one, Baldur (1st fight), and the fight with Poseidon.
@@TheStraightestWhitest agreed.
@@TheStraightestWhitest i enjoyed the first fight more than the last one. I was so devastated 😢
I love how well these games show Kratos' strategic side - he may not be tricksy and manipulative like Odin, but he is always evaluating the situation and thinking ahead. At 3:34 when Odin knocks, you can see him do the calculation - address the unknown threat but leave Atreus with an unsupervised Thor, or have Atreus deal with whoever's at the door (and bear in mind, last time this happened it was Baldur) but never take his eyes off Thor. It only takes a moment, but he (rightly) deduces that until proven otherwise, Thor is the biggest threat.
Very interesting analysis.
Let's take a moment to analyze this little meeting:
Odin and Thor come to Kratos's home, invoke sacred hospitality, let him know that they are well aware of who he is, and try to negotiate for peace, what with Odin's offer being surprisingly reasonable regarding his terms
He knows Kratos is more trouble than he is worth, and attempts diplomacy first, because Kratos actually has a strong position from which to negotiate in the first place
However, in their brief exchange, Odin shows just how casually callous he is about everything and everyone, ranging from his own family to his ex-prisoner to his ex-wife
Kratos needs only 3 minutes to get a grasp on Odin's character, and this is enough for him to decide that, even though his deals sound appealing , he wants NOTHING to do with Odin; he is NOT someone he can trust
As for Thor, he is just as callous, if not more, and it's clear he's only bothering with hospitality and diplomacy because Odin calls the shots
He not only mocks Kratos for trying to be a good father to his son, he gleefully admits he couldn't give a hot shit about being one himself: his only interest is having fun, even at the expense of everyone else
He is well aware that Kratos singlehandedly decimated an entire pantheon, and this only makes him grow excited at the prospective challenge
He only leaves Kratos alone after he shows a glimpse of his power as the God of War, of the Ghost of Sparta
His bloodlust is sated for the moment, but it's clear that soon he will be back for more
Oh, and Kratos is clearly disappointed in Atreus for searching for Týr, like that's not asking for trouble
He doesn't say anything; he doesn't have to at this point
He does, however, put his hand on the Leviathan Axe when Odin points at him, subtly indicating that Atreus is still his son, and that threatening him is a death wish
Odin is pretty much a mob boss in god of War. Sleezy and just as selfish as Zeus,just far less regal funnily enough.
That and Mimir’s line insinuated that even when Odin is telling the truth, he is lying.
Kratos trusts Mimir. Great subtleties.
I think Thor wanted to fight as soon as he got there like Baldur did. And Odin is the reason he was civil. It's easier to negotiate before a fight.
Well, for starters, Kratos doesn't trust gods at all since he's been betrayed like 10 times before by them, I mean it took almost an entire game for Freya to gain his trust. Then here comes Odin, offering "to good to be true" deals.
Why is everyone forgetting the fact that although Odin might be someone not to trust Odin is in the right the entire time. Ever since kratos got there he’s been causing damage even if it was self defense. Odin gives kratos all these deals because reality is kratos is in the wrong here and it kinda makes kratos and loki look greedy. They caused ragnarok to start by killing baldur, they killed thors sons even if it was self defense but Odin still asks for peace and for them to stay out the way. I mean even if Odin set all of this up to make kratos look bad it really does just make kratos look bad but kratos doubles down anyways even though Odin said he’ll forgive kratos for everything he has done.
Literally one of the best scenes of all time in gaming… unbelievably well written
I like how Odin sends Thor and two ravens that fly in while the door was open. The ravens see if it is safe and Thor to handle the situation in case Kratos is hostile. Only after Odin determines that Kratos will not out right attack does Odin make himself known.
Odin uses the ravens to try to be all-knowing, Odin believes he’s safe cause of his supposedly power to see the future
I like how thor tells kratos to stop holding back throughout the fight and actually knows what kratos is capable of and doesn't really underestimate him
If Odin wasn’t afraid of kratos he wouldn’t have tried to end things peacefully first, he’s terrified ragnorok is upon them
excatly odin is afraid of kratos otherwise he wouldntve tried to make peace with him
@@adad87821 *SPOILERS*
I'd disagree with you, but after playing Gow Ragnarok, I can confirm that Kratos himself *is Ragnarok.* Hence, why Odin was "afraid" of him.
Well Odin knows kraits has killed gods like zeus so I’m pretty sure he’s kinda afraid of kratos. Thor on the other hand doesn’t give af
@@ralphdadon3026 TRUE!
Not to mention, he has clearly gotten too comfortable with knowing the future. With Baldur dying sooner than he expected, he clearly doesnt have as much control of the outcome as he would have
This was one of those moments in gaming history that ive been waiting so damn long for, The first meeting of these gods and it did not disappoint it was everything I hoped for and more
seeing all the cutscenes with Odin..he gives off the ruthless CEO vibes
Seeing as its the same voice actor, its hard not to just hear Dr Glassman from good doctor 😂
@@nella9115 No idea what that is.
@@holliswilliams8426 its just a show.... Literally dont even know why you commented this
MY ASSET
It’s funny you should say that. Like when Odin is in his study and he’s talking to Mugin and Huggin, the scene is set up to look like he’s in a conference call or something 😂
I haven't seen any comments about this. But their approach on Odin gives me massive Hades from Disney Hercules vibes. That slimy, cunning, mob boss vibe. Love the way he says "you silver tongued little shit"
Odin: Hell I'll even sweeten the deal. I'll keep my ex off your back.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 Sounding like a pimp 😂
I am absolutely speechless of how good this looks. Incredible.
Off-topic but bro you built asf, you still do mens physique ?
@@jose2D7735 You have you're priorities straight
Props to Thor for being only the second to kill Kratos in a fight, next to Zeus.
Charon.
Also Ares
Oooooh, No.
*I SAY WHEN WE'RE DONE.*
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He didn't kill him
@@VoxTheUkrainianComrade
Your brain must have a IQ below 40.
I love that Thor doesn't drink at all during this scene, because
A. trying to be a recovering alcoholic for his family (and himself)
B. knows he's about to go toe to toe with a man who killed an entire pantheon near single handedly (and that man also refused to drink)
Fantastic details.
I love the script and direction of this game.
3:13 when Thor says Kratos seems like a calm and reasonable person he then asks him if he's truly like that while looking at and touching Mjolnir, threatening Kratos
Odin's drip with that jacket cape, they did him justice alongside everything else; voice, mannerisms, personality. Contender for GOTY here.
Odin's manipulation of words and Thor's clear contained rage with Kratos clearly being ready for Odin to strike first , makes this brilliant .
“You will not find me good company” I always laught idk why🤣🤣🤣🤣