Agree 100%. Though what's the expectation here? I imagine store clerks being robbed also say "no," along with people being beaten to death by attackers, etc. I have no issues with what this girl is saying. But the implication being that we're going to change the behaviors of criminals and sociopaths, rather than placing greater emphasis on protecting ourselves, just boggles my mind. Whose job is it but ours to protect ourselves?
A thief too think stealing is wrong but he still do it for various reasons saying no is not just enough i think you really wasted your time here if u didn't get what she trying to make us understand
so many people think rape is wrong because it hurts the families' honor, or the husband's honor or the father's honor, hurts the value/honor of the raped woman, etc. These people are part of the problem. Rape is wrong because no human being should be forced to have sex without consent. Just imagine (even if you are male) how horrible it would be if someone started to force you into having sex against your will. Anyone can be raped, its always wrong.
When I first heard this , I thought "isn't it obvious that it's a matter of interpersonal respect and individuality being breached irrespective of whether you are a man or woman?". And then I talked to people around me asking this question and to my shock my buddies who are well educated both men and women did think it was because of clothing, being in company of boys etc. That's when I realised that this video is so much relevant and important. And guess what after showing my buddies this video thier perspective changed and they said they are sharing this video or making this a part of their conversations. Wonderfully explained! It deserves many more views.
Imagine how many people’s lives wouldn’t be hurt this year, and the next if we solidified the ideal that education doesn’t stop with the history books or the works of others, but with the actions of your being and the people around you. Education isn’t limited to the classroom, but we’ve made it that way so that’s how it’s been. If we emphasized on emotional intelligence ( such a new word for me because of Ted Talks ), individual struggles, and how impactful our countries could be on our lives, as humans of this world, then imagine how much peace we’d restore amounting to that of the peace from the empires of Africa before humankind deemed it necessary to posses power over others.
for all the angry commenters: she's talking about India, not the US. so this video doesn't even apply to most of you. yes, obviously men get raped too. but she can still make her point if she only talks about the mindset surrounding women getting raped and the "violated honor" that lots of people think about.
+S miles, I think she is far too vague about what parts of India. She also leaves out the fact that women are just as complicit in the cultural attitudes that she describes as the problem. Except for the Islamic cult of course, but she doesn't mention Islam. Her talk describes a rape excuse as wearing revealing clothing. Other examples she gives can also be explained as a cultural norm for some Muslims: 2:40 Refusal to marry a rape victim. 3:12 Keeping women at home for safety and that men should protect. 3:29 A 'don't rape' advertisement -- which is obviously telling Muslims to behave like the men of other religions. 5:00 She describes a Mumbai gang rape (Mumbai is 21% Muslim) (www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-23806871). The media fuss over this tells us that it is a rare case. 5:52 Transexual raped by police ...(timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Transgender-raped-by-cops-fights-for-justice/articleshow/42319820.cms) this is an accusation that obviously wasn't believed. I have found that when accusations are ignored by authorities, it is usually for good reason. The accuser ia usually mentally challenged person with a history of grievances against police. If these are the best examples she can come up with in a population of almost 1.4 BILLION people. This tells us that real rape is not a big issue in India, when considering the non-Muslim population.
I agree, it's like "we need to talk about women getting raped by men", but then someone is like "men get raped by women too". That doesn't add to the conversation.
To the people saying 'men get raped too,' don't you think that a culture in which rape is attributed to a woman's honour is also bad for men who get raped? If you want male rape to be taken more seriously then a culture that sees it as the violation of an individual's bodily integrity and autonomy should help it to be seen as an issue based around the individuals rights as a human being regardless of their gender or role in society.
This is AMAZING! And what's even better is that even though this talk is geared towards India, it is still so very much applicable to Western countries.
+Cackling Muse - born and raised in Germany and moved to Utah. So I'm as Western as it gets. Yes, rape is illegal "here in the west". If someone is guilty (and please read that as "proven guilty in a court of law) - they go to jail - like Bill Cosby who settled with one of his victims, had the case sealed and went on raping women? Or like Donald Trump who raped his first wife, admitted to doing so in front of a judge and his memoirs, had the case sealed and went on living his life? Or do you want cases where there is MORE evidence? Videos like in Steubenville, where each and every single one of the boys who raped an unconscious girl on camera got MINIMUM juvenile sentences and one got one single additional year because him sending around a video of him RAPING a girl was considered "distribution of child pornography"? Or Brock Turner who got LESS than the mandatory sentence, only served HALF of that sentence after two men testified he sexually assaulted a woman, he admitted to have sexually assaulted her? DO YOU MEAN THOSE CASES OF SERIOUS JAIL TIME?
In the cases presented by Furious Imperator, rape culture and corruption seem to go hand in hand. One can exist without the other, yes, but too often is rape culture doing much more harm and fueling corruption rather than nothing at all. Rape Culture is more than the 'Rape' part, right? It exists not only in immature, uneducated pants but also in higher, educated places like in the minds of lawyers and accomplished actors. In some cased, it can also lead to unnecessary deaths and blood on the wrong hands. Rape Culture has a history, a language, and style. It's a culture. A corrupt culture at that. As a culture it will seep into whatever it can, however it can, and we can hopefully drain it out one day, and stop gross ppl from being gross. It's real and it needs to be dealt with. It is not easy but something needs to be done, right? I think it could be discussed in schools more too, perhaps more at the high school lvl?
View the video, *RAPE HYSTERIA - Part 1 | History Repeats Itself* We don't have a rape culture in the West, we have a *false accusation culture*, led by SJW's and feminists of low IQ.
Uh, no. Only 334 out of 1000 rapes get reported, and of those reported rapes only 8% (in the USA, in other countries it varies from 1,5-11%) are false accusations. We definitely don't have a "false accusation culture" when 9.2 out of 10 women speak the truth if they speak up at all.
We need to have this conversation in a lot more places. This conversation needs to come to campuses and schools and work places, and most of all it has to stop being taboo. I think this is a topic that everyone should actively be talking/discussing about because only that way will it become part of a new mindset that doesn't put rape on the victim but on the perpetrator.
+Katie h we don't talk about it because its so vile that the mere mention of it makes people cringe...im starting to think u women have some kind of rape fetish cuz its all u talk about...
+Cackling Muse actually I don't think it's talked about very much at all. At least not in a meaningful way. however you also seem to be very interested in the topic so I'm not sure you can call it a women's fetish.
Katie H well I just found out about these feminist videos a few months ago so naturally I clicked on a number of videos to get a grasp on the topics they discuss...i cant judge one video so i watch many...and rape is on their brain 24/7...women need to work on empowering each other...not scaring the crap out of them...
+Cackling Muse but you see not talking about it in the past decades for example hasn't made it better either and if you were to be raped it would help if the stigma doesn't fall onto you as a victim. so that you know that you can tell people and talk about it if you need to without worrying about it having even more impact on your life than it already would. And I think there are a lot of misconceptions about rape.
Well, if you look at the facts (here you go: www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system) this is utter bullshit. Only 334 out of 1000 rapes get reported (so roughly 2 out of 3 rapes are unreported), and of those reported rapes only 8% (in the USA, in other countries it varies from 1,5-11%) are false accusations. We definitely don't have a problem of false accusations (although we shouldn't trivialise the problem in any case) when 9.2 out of 10 women speak the truth IF they speak up at all. Just to do some calculations for you, this means men are 27.500 times more likely to be raped themselves, than to be falsely accused (more here: charlesclymer.blogspot.nl/2014/01/men-are-32x-more-likely-to-be-killed-by.html). Nice try though.
Neither of your links go to anything, you better check your sources. RAINN is a charity mostly focusing on women and mostly run by women. Such charities are renowned for their misleading interpretation of statistics. The more hysteria that such organisations create, the more money they raise from donations and government support. Such organisations attract third wave radical feminists. If you look at the RAINN website, it cites references. The best reference cited is: "Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010", a publication of U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics. This publication has the following definition: "Sexual violence against females" → includes completed, attempted, or threatened rape or sexual assault. Within the pdf document produced by the Department of Justice, figure 1 gives us a graph showing rates of "Rape and sexual assault victimization" among females from 1995-2010. This graph shows us that, in 2010, only 1 female per thousand was a victim of 'Rape and sexual assault victimization'. *Or 0.1%*. If we include threatened or attempted, it goes to about 0.2%. What was the percentage where force/injury happened? Probably too few to be statistically significant.
Given that the new definitions of rape tends to trivialize rape (a consenting woman who was drunk can say she was raped), we can assume that forced rape is significantly less than 0.1%. Table 8 in the Department of Justice document states that 64% of those who say they were victims of sexual assault did not report. In Table 9, the reasons for 'not reporting' are given → 60 - 70% don’t report for reasons such as: i) Reported to different official; ii) personal matter; iii) not important enough to respondent or iv) other/unknown/ …… in other words, the women didn’t bother. Only about 18% listed a fear of reprisal … which is the main figure to look at. Not reporting is a very obscure area, if a female didn’t report because she didn’t want her partner to stop earning income (that benefits her), or if she still wanted to marry the perpetrator (again her benefit) then she did not report for her own self-interest. Most rapes are supposed to be perpetrated by people who are known to the victim.
Rape is not a feminist issue, it is a human issue. Any time and anywhere a person--male or female--is the subject of unwanted sexual advances it is a violation of their personhood. Your mother and sister and grandmother and daughter and maybe your son have all been affected by being subjected to those advances and therefore so have you.
But what's funny in the west, women still get passed from her father to her husband at the wedding (why the groom just stands there at the altar, why doesn't his mum do the same for him as fathers do for their daughters? I call it the walk of shame lol, it's so symbolic), and it's the wife and children who have the last name of the man, just like in the "good old" days, so everyone knows they belong to him. I would never have a wedding like that and I'd never change my last name. Because why me, why not my husband? Maybe it's easier when the family has one last name, but it should be whose name is shorter or sounds better, maybe your last name is Cock xD so you'd rather change it, and not name your kids little Cocks.
Oshie26 It's just tradition, nobody forces anybody to do anything, unlike the Middle East. I'd actually never thought the procedure of modern weddings that way until you mentioned that, which I think goes to show that this isn't really how people think anymore. Same thing with names, you're free to keep your name or have him adopt yours, which is part of the beauty of western society.
I love that when people say "west" they're just thinking in the USA. Why don't you get your head out of your asses for a second and think that maybe in other western countries it's different from the USA?
The so called "compliments" that some men like to shout at women in the streets, and the fact that the rest of people tolerate them, are proof that in western countries women are still an object, a think for men to enjoy, to make their "view more pretty"
It doesn't matter that this applies more to a certain culture or country, this needs to be shared because the basic idea and conclusion resonates worldwide. More people need to see this.
I'm not done watching... But I think rape is wrong because it is a violation of a human's right to decide over their own body, it's a stealing in a more extreme way. A persons body is their own and only theirs, same as it's wrong to just go up to someone and cut their arm or something, you can't just go and "take" someone elses body and do something they don't want with it.
I require my young boys to stop touching each other when one says no because there other doesn't consent to it. I'm constantly telling them that everyone has individual autonomy over their own body and that may not be violated. I started doing this with both boys at the age of three. I will also tell my little girl that she needs to be aware of her surroundings, not to get into a situation that she can't get herself out of and provide her with tools to get out of a bad situation. She needs agency just as much as the boys need to understand consent.
As a girl who grew up in a sh*t Muslim family that told me because I have boobs I can't wear skirts or sleepover at a friend's house or be around my brother's friends, who had emotionally abusive parents who limited my rights because I was a girl compared to my brothers, I agree with you 110%. I wish there was a campaign I could give money to to support your ideas.
Itara the KH Otaku I'm really sorry you had to experience this. I live in India and i have been blessed with amazing parents but a lot of my friends have extremely strict parents so I really do know what you're going through and I hope you can find it in yourself to hold on
this is the simplest solution to the problem we are facing, nothing could be better than that. and not by a lecture in the year but may be as chapter in a subject or a whole chapter. this is the moral value we need to teach students. not about aryans history n all that
Incredible talk. I have never thought of questioning whether others believe, as I do, that rape is wrong because it is robbing a person of control over their own bodies. Being a highly independent person, who requires autonomy to be fulfilled, rape was naturally the worst thing that could occur to me. This talk was really good at hammering out several common reasons why people think rape is wrong. I think that many are brought up with moral conclusions, such as rape and murder are morally wrong, and we form our logical reasoning to fit these conclusions, with the natural uptake of social norms. So when we hear that she was asking for it when wearing a short skirt, we understand that women are meant to be'modestly covered'- and not dress in a way that is sexual. Not only, with that premise, are we concluding that women cannot have full control over whatever they choose to wear, but we also come with the conclusion that rape is about sex and sexual desire. With that in mind, as well as the well known 'fact' that men are highly sexually active and always want sex, we also come to the connected conclusion that men cannot be raped, especially by women. Whereas, in reality, we must, if focusing deeply on the subject, understand that rape is about dominance, humiliation and control. Children are not sexual beings, boyfriends, partners, married men, are capable of having consensual sex. Multiple studies have shown that, when rape is fully explained and consent tackled, the likelihood of a person becoming a rapist is much lower. Education has brought us such fruit as a society, and it can with the issue of rape and rape culture too.
Very well presented! Great research and busts a lot of myths surrounding rape and sexual violation. A person does not lose their dignity if they get raped. Your izzat is not a commodity that gets snatched away from you if you are raped. Lets stop associating honour with rape. That will be first step to start understanding issues we need to address.
Hats off girl... U have even increased the horizon of my thoughts to this sensitive issue... What we actually need is a clear mind set like u... Becoz we hear so many opinions and lose the ability to distinguish between ri8 and wrong....
Wow! This has to be the most thought provoking video I've seen. Yes,i am a feminist male. Yes,i am for LGBT rights,PDA and overall women respect. But this,took my thinking to a whole new dimension,and that the problem is much deeper than we think..... Its in the basic mindset of people Bottom line: Rape is a man's fault,and only his If you think its anything else,Congrats, you are also the problem. If a person can not control himself, he should be put under restrictions, not the ladies. Even if there's a nude woman around you,its not her fault. It is her choice what to do,and when you deny her the freedom,that's where the actual wrong part comes in. How can any such thing even be offensive to a woman? Its not her fault. its not under her control. And she obviously didnt ask for it. This actually offends me,the so called 'men' that such people bring shame to the overall Indian male community
For the sake of argument, let me pose a hypothetical. I have a really nice car, I drive my car to an area where I know car theft sometimes happens. I go into a gas station to get an energy drink and chat with the clerk for a half hour. I leave my car running with the door open. Is it my right not to have my car stolen, if someone steals it, they are breaking the law. They broke the law and they are at fault, but could I have behaved in a different way to prevent myself from losing the car? Unless you believe in destiny, I do think I could have behaved differently. Maybe someday we will have the technology to stop crimes before they happen, but until then, be smart. Understand that there are people out there who simply do not care about the people they victimize when they know they can get away with it.
Reality Jester I get your point, that you will be the victim even when there's 0 fault of you. In an ideal scenario, there shouldn't be any place "prone to car theft" We are far from that, currently So, I gotta agree with you, that it's better to lock your car and avoid any hazards rather than trying to prove a point This is sad
+Reality Jester I get what you're trying to say, but there are several problems with that analogy. First and foremost, that still doesn't excuse the perpetrator and it's wrong in any way to insinuate that the victim should take responsibility. Second, that analogy only adresses the abstract idea most people have of rape, which is that women get raped late at night by a stranger in some alleyway as they were walking home alone and drunk through a bad neighbourgood. But that is simply not true in the majority of cases. According to statistics, in case of legally adult victims, 7 out of 10 rapes are committed by someone who the victim knows, a family member, a partner, a "friend". In case of underage victims, in 93% of cases, the perpetrator was someone familiar to the victim. The only way you could argue any kind of "being smart about it" would be for no woman to ever trust anyone ever again, never leave the house and carry around pepper spray in their own home. Third and final issue, one can't objectively argue that even in cases where the perpetrator WAS a stranger, for the simple reason that the criteria would be so vast and widely up for interpretation, being a very slippery slope. It reminds me of some Muslim men who I once encountered in a comments section under and article about how a Muslim woman had been sexually assaulted and racially attacked for having worn a hijab. Their reaction was that it was her fault for not having worn a full burqa and for having been out alone, without an accompaning man. Surely most in the West would agree that that's ridiculous, but how is that any different from any garden variety argument of "women should be smart and not put themselves in such situations"? My point is, where exactly do you draw the line? At any body line showing? At a shoulder showing? At wearing a short skirt? At having drunk three beers at a party? At having committed the crime of trying to get home if you don't have cab money or other options? Again, I get what you're trying to say, but in real life, it just doesn't work that way and it's insinuations of "shared guilt" like this that make the victims scared to come forward.
I don't know why this is such a tough topic in India. There seem to be too many societal conditionings against this. I have lived in Gurgaon, and it is SUCH a shithole to understand rape... I mean it is a cess pool of rapists and rape culture is so dominant. Trying to explain this maybe if you can get through to a few people, your still doing a great job! I hope with this TED Talks, we can start to see a change!
Courageous talk....🇮🇳🇮🇳 I think there is one country for women,sister is (heart's)💗 of son & brother....and people like you who stand up and go in depth of prblm...and educate the society.....god bless you .. !!keep doing it!!
This is such a good talk. It addresses problems in India but a lot of these things can be applied to the western world. Telling girls not to dress a certain way or not to go out at night just adds to existing power structures that perpetuate the problem.
Feminism’s redefinition of rape means that “affirmative consent” laws, if applied retroactively, would redefine a high proportion of past consensual sex as rape. In other words, if a woman has a drink of alcohol and then consents to sex she can choose to call it rape. Feminists persuade women that the fully consensual sex they had and regretted later was, somehow, rape, even in cases where it is completely obvious to a normal person that no rape by any sane definition occurred. Women are coming out of "Gender Studies" courses with insane ideas about all this. Many lose a connection with reality. Countries like Australia result in news articles like this: blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_empty_envelope/ The effect of this feminist inspired madness is that rape is a word that cannot be used any longer, it has lost its meaning.
Obviously we don't need to teach males not to rape. What needs to be taught is the *definition of rape*. And this needs to be taught to both males and females. We need to know *what 'rape' means* in the post radical feminist era? In some jurisdictions, rape has been defined so that it means if a woman has a glass of wine with her husband, then consents to sex, she can cry rape for that event either immediately, or the next day, or 10 years later. But males are excluded, so if he also has a glass of wine, well, that doesn't matter ... because he's a man. Are you starting to see the double standard here? Some young men wake up after a drug/alcohol binge and shudder in horror at the woman lying next to them. Not only do they regret the consensual sex, but they have to worry about being charged with rape if she regretted it also. So if you teach people not to rape, the problem feminist law-makers have is that many people would start to ridicule the silly modern definitions of rape. People would wonder why we infantilize women as being helpless and why we are so sexist against men. Nonetheless I am all for the teaching about the law, because it would teach males that they must get evidence of consensual sex. Jian Gomeshi kept this evidence. UA-cam search for: *The Trial of Jian Ghomeshi - the fifth estate* This news story exposes the fact that women make false accusations and if the accused man, Ghomeshi, had not kept decade old emails and photos he would be in prison for a long time. Not only do women lie about rape but they team up and plan their assault.?
As soon as one sees the misogynist word we all know we have an irrational, emotional, illogical indoctrinated female; suffering her delusional victimhood. Thakore talks as though a rape excuse is wearing revealing clothing -- but this type of rape is a culturally permissible ONLY for some Muslim groups. Other examples she gives can also be explained as a cultural norm for some Muslims: 2:40 Refusal to marry a rape victim. 3:12 Keeping women at home for safety and that men should protect. 3:29 A 'don't rape' advertisement -- which is *obviously* telling *Muslims* to behave like the men in other religions. 5:00 She describes a Mumbai gang rape (Mumbai is 21% Muslim) (www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-23806871). The media fuss over this tells us that it is a rare case. 5:52 Transexual raped by police ...(timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Transgender-raped-by-cops-fights-for-justice/articleshow/42319820.cms) this is an accusation that obviously wasn't believed. I have found that when accusations are ignored by authorities, it is usually for good reason. The accuser ia usually mentally challenged person with a history of grievances against police. If these are the best examples she can come up with in a population of almost 1.4 BILLION people. This tells us that real rape is almost non-existent in India when considering the non-Muslim population.
It's the attitude to women as objects existing to serve men's needs that creates all these controlling social norms, and sexual violence. An object can't have bodily autonomy - or any autonomy - right?
It's the attitude to men as sources of money and security objects existing to serve women's needs that creates all these controlling social norms, and lies/exaggerations of sexual violence. An object can't have bodily autonomy - or any autonomy - right?
+Bethany See the video: *Rapes are over-hyped in India*. Much of the 'rape' issue is exaggerated by media and by vested interests. Shreena Thakor belongs to an organisation that benefits by spreading false feminist propaganda, and the media supports this nonsense. India seems to have had a worse problem with exaggerations in recent years. According to the Indian National Crime Records Bureau, in 2015 there were 34,651 rapes in 2015. Involving less than 0.006% of males in India. But this figure tends to be normally inflated due to new definitions including trivial incidents. So let's look at what rape is (in India). Consider a detailed six-month study of all 583 cases of alleged rape that came up before district courts in Delhi in 2013 ( search for, *thehindu+data+the-many-shades-of-rape-cases-in-delhi* ). 20% of the cases were wound up because the complainant did not appear or turned hostile. Of the cases fully tried, over 40% dealt with consensual sex, usually involving the elopement of a young couple and the girl’s parents subsequently charging the boy with rape. Another 25% dealt with “breach of promise to marry”. Of the 162 remaining cases, men preying on young children in slums was the most common type of offence.’ And of these 162, the accused was known to the complainant in all but 12 cases. Consensual sex on a false promise/pretext of marriage is often reported as rape and then recorded by the police as such. In November 2014, the Mumbai police commissioner reported that 71.9% of rapes reported that year were related to consensual sex that did not lead to marriage. In India, it is perfectly legitimate to pursue such cases. Recall the 0.006% of males in India figure; the percentage of seriously mentally ill males in India would be more than 10 times that figure, so what proportion of rapes would involve mentally ill perpetrators? This is ignored. Logic is ignored when feminist propaganda is concerned. The video on this page is feminist propaganda produced by feminists appealing for government grants.
Steve Madden its people like you who thinks rape is over hyped and not a serious offence that promotes rapes. Would you say that murders are over hyped in america or that theft is over hyped in some other part. No. But rape for you is a offence or crime that os paid too much attention. If you will put aside your chauvinism and not so logical brain aside that rationally thinks and not on the facts or figures carried out by some organization who thinks all this is a feminist exaggeration and propaganda and for once think as a human first you'll undrrstand the serious attention and over-hype that it needs. Yes, a lot of cases out there are false. But there are a lot more cases that arent even reported. Rape and molestation is something that is prominent even in cities wheres there proper law and order so forget about the villages where the women cannot even report or say it loud. Out of my 5 friends 3 have been molested including me and a distant aquitaine had been raped. So its not a ghost issue, open up your eyes and go and actually try talking to women who have been raped. And a rape is a rape, violent or not. If its not consent. Its a rape, marrital rapes arent even considered a crime here. Where a women has to live and work for the perpetuator. And the slum children you mentioned. Most backs out because of poverty where they cannot carry out the painful fight they need to fight. Plus a lot of children consents because they arent aware of the sexual crime or sex because they are "children" who lives in slums and arent provided sex ed.and a lot of children among them are males. So please dont make it about feminism. Its a serious human crime. Which needs to be over hyped. Even if it just happened to one person in the whole world.
meenakshi bhardwaj how do you know a rape isn't reported if it has been, according to your claim, not reported? If you can say that it's not reported then of course it's reported or else you won't have the information of its reporting or lack of it... you have created a major fallacy there. In India, marital rape is not a crime because in arranged marriages many women tend to deprive their husbands from sex and use sex to manipulate them. Also, in India, male rape is not recognized, and neither is male molestation. my close friend was raped and is still raped and he's a male. there are several men who are raped in ways which are not accounted by rape literature since they are not violent means but rather manipulative means and so, they have nothing to do. And I can't really help my friend either, but you people at least have the law behind you. Recognize your privilege, please.
"The obvious problem with the video is that the woman itself has no agency, because she's literally subject to the whims of any man that comes in her way." It's kind of powerful that she said, "The woman *itself.* It shows that the woman in this example is given no real power and individuality.
First ten minutes I thought she was insane. But I was blown away by the truth and importance of this message by the end. The implications are staggering and something we should discuss more frequently.
I live far away from India but I still understand and agree with everything she says. I believe this to some extend it applies to most places in the world. Also she’s awesome
I like to take a property approach to autonomy. My body is property which I own, little different from my boots or any other tools I own. Your body is a thing, which you own and live in, and you have the right to bar entry, invite people in, paint the walls as you wish, or even burn it down without my say so. You have no authority over my body unless I give it to you, and vice versa.
One of the most relevant videos I saw today. Every one should watch it and as she is pointing to, focuses on a major problem in our society. The power hierarchy and the 'getting back' or 'one-up' often becomes a reason of violation of integrity. She is so charming that it became almost a pleasure to watch her speak which you can't say about every TED talk.
Wow! Very Powerful and applicable everywhere in the world and to all genders. We must teach all of our children about how not to be rapists not just how not to be raped, and why it matters. Very well put.
Some of the comments here show how much talks like this are needed. Also this is not just how it looks in india for those of you from the west that feel like the “problem is over there”.
I agree with all other comments, except one defending shorts& saying that saree shows more of a woman's body (navel). I want this girl to learn that saree shows navel only when westernize the way of wearing it.
A very passionate and informative speech. I'm incredibly inspired by women/womxn from around the world who speak out about issues such as this. I got the impression that Shreena had a lot of material to cover in a sadly short amount of time, but she did it well. These TED talks make it seem as if these speakers were born to get onstage and give a great talk. Brava!
Very solid insight. Disgusting how Indian culture uses such a horrible act as punishment. All cultures must eventually progress, and leave behind the foolishness of the past, or they will regress and perhaps even collapse.
It's amazing to see how the thought of why rape is wrong is completely misunderstood by so many people; especially with rape being such a common problem.
In the beginning of it, the way she describes seem more likely in India or just happens in particular one way and that simply isn't true. I still agree with most of her points and just makes me see why muslim and Indian culture is the way it is. It not base out of misogyny of the women but is more fear for the women. Fear for her value and well being against those who would do harm. The intention may be for good but the focus is wrong. Rather then preventing rape through sexuality by telling women to not wear sexual clothing and etc, they should think of preventing through....something with dominance? Even for me that is much harder to understand because it's not as straightforward as just stopping. It almost like a rapist would have a different mindset altogether rather the mindset of just being horny like people. There would also be some connotations for men by thinking horny= rapey and make men have suppress negative emotions towards sex in turn will have suppress negative emotions towards women. This attitude will not cause rape but feelings of anxiety for women or of women.
Finally, a publicly shared view that I can agree with and be at peace about. Very well articulated. I hope everybody who needs to see this and understand the real problem, does.
anyone disagreeing to her testimony is a part of the problem and is the reason why people ALL around the world must have this conversation in the first place.
It's so annoying that India, even though braces the Women Empowerment movement diligently, misses the actual point hopelessly. One's security is in their own hands. The whole point of this movement is to empower women to protect themselves from the criminals, but what we actually are doing, is keeping them away from the actual point and providing them with a bunch of rights. Rights, which are supposed to defend them, but some women like Komal Kumar are using them to victimize innocent men. These criminal minded people will keep on taking unfair advantage of the laws until we address the actual problem.
If someone asks me if I would marry a rape victim... My answer would be, "Was that relevant? Hell, I would marry anyone whose characteristics interests me, even better if she likes me back."
amazing...amazing....amazing.....I really don't have words to appreciate you. You have answered my questions exactly for which I have been seeking answers.Thank you and keep up your work.
great talk miss, no woman ever deserves to be abused by anyone , I actually encourage all woman to carry pepper spray or the heck with it , even guns as long as their trained when to use them
“The individual has said no and that is all that matters.”
Amen sister. Preach.
Most would not agree, apparently. There is such thing as forcing and it prospers since the dawn of time.
Agree 100%. Though what's the expectation here? I imagine store clerks being robbed also say "no," along with people being beaten to death by attackers, etc. I have no issues with what this girl is saying. But the implication being that we're going to change the behaviors of criminals and sociopaths, rather than placing greater emphasis on protecting ourselves, just boggles my mind. Whose job is it but ours to protect ourselves?
A thief too think stealing is wrong but he still do it for various reasons saying no is not just enough i think you really wasted your time here if u didn't get what she trying to make us understand
@honey bunny If the guys who aren't doing it aren't doing it, then what do they need to change?
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so many people think rape is wrong because it hurts the families' honor, or the husband's honor or the father's honor, hurts the value/honor of the raped woman, etc. These people are part of the problem.
Rape is wrong because no human being should be forced to have sex without consent. Just imagine (even if you are male) how horrible it would be if someone started to force you into having sex against your will. Anyone can be raped, its always wrong.
Yes you are right! No matter what gender...it is just wrong!!
EasySnake NO ONE NO THING NO PERSON
But a murder is still the worst
altleast its not murder
When I first heard this , I thought "isn't it obvious that it's a matter of interpersonal respect and individuality being breached irrespective of whether you are a man or woman?". And then I talked to people around me asking this question and to my shock my buddies who are well educated both men and women did think it was because of clothing, being in company of boys etc.
That's when I realised that this video is so much relevant and important. And guess what after showing my buddies this video thier perspective changed and they said they are sharing this video or making this a part of their conversations.
Wonderfully explained! It deserves many more views.
Imagine how many people’s lives wouldn’t be hurt this year, and the next if we solidified the ideal that education doesn’t stop with the history books or the works of others, but with the actions of your being and the people around you. Education isn’t limited to the classroom, but we’ve made it that way so that’s how it’s been. If we emphasized on emotional intelligence ( such a new word for me because of Ted Talks ), individual struggles, and how impactful our countries could be on our lives, as humans of this world, then imagine how much peace we’d restore amounting to that of the peace from the empires of Africa before humankind deemed it necessary to posses power over others.
for all the angry commenters: she's talking about India, not the US. so this video doesn't even apply to most of you. yes, obviously men get raped too. but she can still make her point if she only talks about the mindset surrounding women getting raped and the "violated honor" that lots of people think about.
+S miles, I think she is far too vague about what parts of India. She also leaves out the fact that women are just as complicit in the cultural attitudes that she describes as the problem. Except for the Islamic cult of course, but she doesn't mention Islam.
Her talk describes a rape excuse as wearing revealing clothing. Other
examples she gives can also be explained as a cultural norm for some
Muslims:
2:40 Refusal to marry a rape victim.
3:12 Keeping women at home for safety and that men should protect.
3:29 A 'don't rape' advertisement -- which is obviously telling Muslims to behave like the men of other religions.
5:00 She describes a Mumbai gang rape (Mumbai is 21% Muslim) (www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-23806871). The media fuss over this tells us that it is a rare case.
5:52 Transexual raped by police ...(timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Transgender-raped-by-cops-fights-for-justice/articleshow/42319820.cms)
this is an accusation that obviously wasn't believed. I have found that
when accusations are ignored by authorities, it is usually for good
reason. The accuser ia usually mentally challenged person with a history
of grievances against police.
If these are the best examples she can come up with in a population of
almost 1.4 BILLION people. This tells us that real rape is not a big issue in India, when considering the non-Muslim population.
S miles her ideas very much apply to the US.
why do people in the comments seem to think the rape of men is an equivalent problem?
I agree, it's like "we need to talk about women getting raped by men", but then someone is like "men get raped by women too". That doesn't add to the conversation.
I'm surprised I haven't seen the words "drawing a false equivalency" in this discussion.
To the people saying 'men get raped too,' don't you think that a culture in which rape is attributed to a woman's honour is also bad for men who get raped? If you want male rape to be taken more seriously then a culture that sees it as the violation of an individual's bodily integrity and autonomy should help it to be seen as an issue based around the individuals rights as a human being regardless of their gender or role in society.
What?
Dr who Re preach!
If male rape was such a problem and common thing in India, they'd obviously gang rape the brother, not his sister.
What ?
@@universe6princeofsaiyans 11:27
A passionate, persuasive, and intelligent speaker. Very educational
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Eunhye yep
she’s intelligently speaking fallacies to fit her narrative. Yaaaaaaay intelligence.
She's incredibly lacking in logic.
Her lack of awareness and understanding of simple concepts is appalling.
That’s a lot of adjectives
This is AMAZING!
And what's even better is that even though this talk is geared towards India, it is still so very much applicable to Western countries.
u must not be from here in the west...rape is not tolerated and if someone is guilty of rape then they will do some serious time in jail...
+Cackling Muse - born and raised in Germany and moved to Utah. So I'm as Western as it gets.
Yes, rape is illegal "here in the west". If someone is guilty (and please read that as "proven guilty in a court of law) - they go to jail - like Bill Cosby who settled with one of his victims, had the case sealed and went on raping women? Or like Donald Trump who raped his first wife, admitted to doing so in front of a judge and his memoirs, had the case sealed and went on living his life?
Or do you want cases where there is MORE evidence? Videos like in Steubenville, where each and every single one of the boys who raped an unconscious girl on camera got MINIMUM juvenile sentences and one got one single additional year because him sending around a video of him RAPING a girl was considered "distribution of child pornography"?
Or Brock Turner who got LESS than the mandatory sentence, only served HALF of that sentence after two men testified he sexually assaulted a woman, he admitted to have sexually assaulted her?
DO YOU MEAN THOSE CASES OF SERIOUS JAIL TIME?
In the cases presented by Furious Imperator, rape culture and corruption seem to go hand in hand. One can exist without the other, yes, but too often is rape culture doing much more harm and fueling corruption rather than nothing at all. Rape Culture is more than the 'Rape' part, right? It exists not only in immature, uneducated pants but also in higher, educated places like in the minds of lawyers and accomplished actors. In some cased, it can also lead to unnecessary deaths and blood on the wrong hands.
Rape Culture has a history, a language, and style. It's a culture. A corrupt culture at that. As a culture it will seep into whatever it can, however it can, and we can hopefully drain it out one day, and stop gross ppl from being gross. It's real and it needs to be dealt with. It is not easy but something needs to be done, right?
I think it could be discussed in schools more too, perhaps more at the high school lvl?
View the video, *RAPE HYSTERIA - Part 1 | History Repeats Itself*
We don't have a rape culture in the West, we have a *false accusation culture*, led by SJW's and feminists of low IQ.
Uh, no. Only 334 out of 1000 rapes get reported, and of those reported rapes only 8% (in the USA, in other countries it varies from 1,5-11%) are false accusations. We definitely don't have a "false accusation culture" when 9.2 out of 10 women speak the truth if they speak up at all.
What a freaking BADASS. This talk was SO eloquent, fiery, well structured, great great great
The hymen can pop from riding a bike or inserting a tampon, the two finger test is the stupidest test I've ever heard of.
Madison Groeneveld Wrong. Please check out the TED Talk on Hymens. Basically, the hymen isn't a thing and can't show virginity.
Lilofee Vomsee yes I too saw that
clearly someone missed out on high school health science!! Google it and you'll get your answer!!!
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@@lilofeevomsee8496 how is that wrong?
We need to have this conversation in a lot more places. This conversation needs to come to campuses and schools and work places, and most of all it has to stop being taboo.
I think this is a topic that everyone should actively be talking/discussing about because only that way will it become part of a new mindset that doesn't put rape on the victim but on the perpetrator.
Couldn't have said it better myself !!!
+Katie h we don't talk about it because its so vile that the mere mention of it makes people cringe...im starting to think u women have some kind of rape fetish cuz its all u talk about...
+Cackling Muse actually I don't think it's talked about very much at all. At least not in a meaningful way.
however you also seem to be very interested in the topic so I'm not sure you can call it a women's fetish.
Katie H well I just found out about these feminist videos a few months ago so naturally I clicked on a number of videos to get a grasp on the topics they discuss...i cant judge one video so i watch many...and rape is on their brain 24/7...women need to work on empowering each other...not scaring the crap out of them...
+Cackling Muse but you see not talking about it in the past decades for example hasn't made it better either and if you were to be raped it would help if the stigma doesn't fall onto you as a victim. so that you know that you can tell people and talk about it if you need to without worrying about it having even more impact on your life than it already would. And I think there are a lot of misconceptions about rape.
She is intelligent and absolutely her speech is brilliant too.
And this why we should have proper "sex education" classes in school. And I said proper.
Hats off!!! This video needs to reach the mass!!!
Well, if you look at the facts (here you go: www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system) this is utter bullshit. Only 334 out of 1000 rapes get reported (so roughly 2 out of 3 rapes are unreported), and of those reported rapes only 8% (in the USA, in other countries it varies from 1,5-11%) are false accusations. We definitely don't have a problem of false accusations (although we shouldn't trivialise the problem in any case) when 9.2 out of 10 women speak the truth IF they speak up at all. Just to do some calculations for you, this means men are 27.500 times more likely to be raped themselves, than to be falsely accused (more here: charlesclymer.blogspot.nl/2014/01/men-are-32x-more-likely-to-be-killed-by.html).
Nice try though.
Neither of your links go to anything, you better check your sources. RAINN is a charity mostly focusing on women and mostly run by women. Such charities are renowned for their misleading interpretation of statistics. The more hysteria that such organisations create, the more money they raise from donations and government support. Such organisations attract third wave radical feminists.
If you look at the RAINN website, it cites references. The best reference cited is: "Female Victims of Sexual Violence, 1994-2010", a publication of U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics. This publication has the following definition:
"Sexual violence against females" → includes completed, attempted, or threatened rape or sexual assault.
Within the pdf document produced by the Department of Justice, figure 1 gives us a graph showing rates of "Rape and sexual assault victimization" among females from 1995-2010.
This graph shows us that, in 2010, only 1 female per thousand was a victim of 'Rape and sexual assault victimization'. *Or 0.1%*.
If we include threatened or attempted, it goes to about 0.2%.
What was the percentage where force/injury happened? Probably too few to be statistically significant.
Given that the new definitions of rape tends to trivialize rape (a consenting woman who was drunk can say she was raped), we can assume that forced rape is significantly less than 0.1%.
Table 8 in the Department of Justice document states that 64% of those who say they were victims of sexual assault did not report. In Table 9, the reasons for 'not reporting' are given → 60 - 70% don’t report for reasons such as:
i) Reported to different official; ii) personal matter; iii) not important enough to respondent or iv) other/unknown/ …… in other words, the women didn’t bother.
Only about 18% listed a fear of reprisal … which is the main figure to look at. Not reporting is a very obscure area, if a female didn’t report because she didn’t want her partner to stop earning income (that benefits her), or if she still wanted to marry the perpetrator (again her benefit) then she did not report for her own self-interest.
Most rapes are supposed to be perpetrated by people who are known to the victim.
Agree Harry. See the video: *Rapes are over-hyped in India*
Rape is not a feminist issue, it is a human issue. Any time and anywhere a person--male or female--is the subject of unwanted sexual advances it is a violation of their personhood. Your mother and sister and grandmother and daughter and maybe your son have all been affected by being subjected to those advances and therefore so have you.
First we need to teach people that women are individuals and not possessions of men. This is a big problem and many do not realize that it is.
Not in the west, though
But what's funny in the west, women still get passed from her father to her husband at the wedding (why the groom just stands there at the altar, why doesn't his mum do the same for him as fathers do for their daughters? I call it the walk of shame lol, it's so symbolic), and it's the wife and children who have the last name of the man, just like in the "good old" days, so everyone knows they belong to him. I would never have a wedding like that and I'd never change my last name. Because why me, why not my husband? Maybe it's easier when the family has one last name, but it should be whose name is shorter or sounds better, maybe your last name is Cock xD so you'd rather change it, and not name your kids little Cocks.
Oshie26 It's just tradition, nobody forces anybody to do anything, unlike the Middle East. I'd actually never thought the procedure of modern weddings that way until you mentioned that, which I think goes to show that this isn't really how people think anymore. Same thing with names, you're free to keep your name or have him adopt yours, which is part of the beauty of western society.
I love that when people say "west" they're just thinking in the USA. Why don't you get your head out of your asses for a second and think that maybe in other western countries it's different from the USA?
The so called "compliments" that some men like to shout at women in the streets, and the fact that the rest of people tolerate them, are proof that in western countries women are still an object, a think for men to enjoy, to make their "view more pretty"
It doesn't matter that this applies more to a certain culture or country, this needs to be shared because the basic idea and conclusion resonates worldwide. More people need to see this.
Can't believe I missed this video. It's 2019 and nothing much changed. We need to get more view for this. Good job team.
I'm not done watching... But I think rape is wrong because it is a violation of a human's right to decide over their own body, it's a stealing in a more extreme way. A persons body is their own and only theirs, same as it's wrong to just go up to someone and cut their arm or something, you can't just go and "take" someone elses body and do something they don't want with it.
I like the idea of calling it stealing. That's how it feels to me.And once it's taken it's hard to get it back and feel like it's your own again.
I require my young boys to stop touching each other when one says no because there other doesn't consent to it. I'm constantly telling them that everyone has individual autonomy over their own body and that may not be violated. I started doing this with both boys at the age of three. I will also tell my little girl that she needs to be aware of her surroundings, not to get into a situation that she can't get herself out of and provide her with tools to get out of a bad situation. She needs agency just as much as the boys need to understand consent.
You sexist
You're a good father. 😟💙💐
wtf 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@user-yc1vy6pt2u indian children aren't taught about consent or good and bad touches. I just see them doing well everything.
@@erenb.2806 It happens with both male and female children's and everywhere in the world not only in India, they're just curious nothing serious.
As a girl who grew up in a sh*t Muslim family that told me because I have boobs I can't wear skirts or sleepover at a friend's house or be around my brother's friends, who had emotionally abusive parents who limited my rights because I was a girl compared to my brothers, I agree with you 110%.
I wish there was a campaign I could give money to to support your ideas.
Itara the KH Otaku I'm really sorry you had to experience this. I live in India and i have been blessed with amazing parents but a lot of my friends have extremely strict parents so I really do know what you're going through and I hope you can find it in yourself to hold on
Imagine if this ted-talk was taught in all classrooms.
Couldn't hurt
this is the simplest solution to the problem we are facing, nothing could be better than that. and not by a lecture in the year but may be as chapter in a subject or a whole chapter. this is the moral value we need to teach students. not about aryans history n all that
yeah it could actually, people who are forced to listen to this will become hateful.
Christopher Dutton other than world wide domination figuratively and litterally
Let them take up STD awareness classes in the same room for boys and girls first.. This matured and sensible speech wud go over the head of those ppl
we would bunk 😅
Incredible talk. I have never thought of questioning whether others believe, as I do, that rape is wrong because it is robbing a person of control over their own bodies.
Being a highly independent person, who requires autonomy to be fulfilled, rape was naturally the worst thing that could occur to me.
This talk was really good at hammering out several common reasons why people think rape is wrong.
I think that many are brought up with moral conclusions, such as rape and murder are morally wrong, and we form our logical reasoning to fit these conclusions, with the natural uptake of social norms.
So when we hear that she was asking for it when wearing a short skirt, we understand that women are meant to be'modestly covered'- and not dress in a way that is sexual.
Not only, with that premise, are we concluding that women cannot have full control over whatever they choose to wear, but we also come with the conclusion that rape is about sex and sexual desire.
With that in mind, as well as the well known 'fact' that men are highly sexually active and always want sex, we also come to the connected conclusion that men cannot be raped, especially by women.
Whereas, in reality, we must, if focusing deeply on the subject, understand that rape is about dominance, humiliation and control.
Children are not sexual beings, boyfriends, partners, married men, are capable of having consensual sex.
Multiple studies have shown that, when rape is fully explained and consent tackled, the likelihood of a person becoming a rapist is much lower.
Education has brought us such fruit as a society, and it can with the issue of rape and rape culture too.
Fantastic comments. Watch a video showing the modern day rapists, it has the title:
*RAPE HYSTERIA - Part 1 | History Repeats Itself*
Logic genius when you said I've never heard anyone say that in your lifetime....Excuse me by do u live in India?
Fantastic presentation. Should be in school curriculums worldwide.
Very well presented! Great research and busts a lot of myths surrounding rape and sexual violation. A person does not lose their dignity if they get raped. Your izzat is not a commodity that gets snatched away from you if you are raped. Lets stop associating honour with rape. That will be first step to start understanding issues we need to address.
This got more and MORE intense. She should speak everywhere. Wait, that's what the internet is for. Powerful message! Liked & Shared!
Her speech is awesome. She is awesome. More and more people need to understand this. What a truly intelligent human being. *
Hats off girl... U have even increased the horizon of my thoughts to this sensitive issue...
What we actually need is a clear mind set like u... Becoz we hear so many opinions and lose the ability to distinguish between ri8 and wrong....
Wow! This has to be the most thought provoking video I've seen. Yes,i am a feminist male. Yes,i am for LGBT rights,PDA and overall women respect. But this,took my thinking to a whole new dimension,and that the problem is much deeper than we think.....
Its in the basic mindset of people
Bottom line: Rape is a man's fault,and only his
If you think its anything else,Congrats, you are also the problem. If a person can not control himself, he should be put under restrictions, not the ladies. Even if there's a nude woman around you,its not her fault. It is her choice what to do,and when you deny her the freedom,that's where the actual wrong part comes in.
How can any such thing even be offensive to a woman? Its not her fault. its not under her control. And she obviously didnt ask for it.
This actually offends me,the so called 'men' that such people bring shame to the overall Indian male community
henna kennedy thank you 🙋
For the sake of argument, let me pose a hypothetical. I have a really nice car, I drive my car to an area where I know car theft sometimes happens. I go into a gas station to get an energy drink and chat with the clerk for a half hour. I leave my car running with the door open. Is it my right not to have my car stolen, if someone steals it, they are breaking the law. They broke the law and they are at fault, but could I have behaved in a different way to prevent myself from losing the car? Unless you believe in destiny, I do think I could have behaved differently.
Maybe someday we will have the technology to stop crimes before they happen, but until then, be smart. Understand that there are people out there who simply do not care about the people they victimize when they know they can get away with it.
Reality Jester I get your point, that you will be the victim even when there's 0 fault of you.
In an ideal scenario, there shouldn't be any place "prone to car theft"
We are far from that, currently
So, I gotta agree with you, that it's better to lock your car and avoid any hazards rather than trying to prove a point
This is sad
+Reality Jester I get what you're trying to say, but there are several problems with that analogy. First and foremost, that still doesn't excuse the perpetrator and it's wrong in any way to insinuate that the victim should take responsibility. Second, that analogy only adresses the abstract idea most people have of rape, which is that women get raped late at night by a stranger in some alleyway as they were walking home alone and drunk through a bad neighbourgood. But that is simply not true in the majority of cases. According to statistics, in case of legally adult victims, 7 out of 10 rapes are committed by someone who the victim knows, a family member, a partner, a "friend". In case of underage victims, in 93% of cases, the perpetrator was someone familiar to the victim. The only way you could argue any kind of "being smart about it" would be for no woman to ever trust anyone ever again, never leave the house and carry around pepper spray in their own home. Third and final issue, one can't objectively argue that even in cases where the perpetrator WAS a stranger, for the simple reason that the criteria would be so vast and widely up for interpretation, being a very slippery slope. It reminds me of some Muslim men who I once encountered in a comments section under and article about how a Muslim woman had been sexually assaulted and racially attacked for having worn a hijab. Their reaction was that it was her fault for not having worn a full burqa and for having been out alone, without an accompaning man. Surely most in the West would agree that that's ridiculous, but how is that any different from any garden variety argument of "women should be smart and not put themselves in such situations"? My point is, where exactly do you draw the line? At any body line showing? At a shoulder showing? At wearing a short skirt? At having drunk three beers at a party? At having committed the crime of trying to get home if you don't have cab money or other options? Again, I get what you're trying to say, but in real life, it just doesn't work that way and it's insinuations of "shared guilt" like this that make the victims scared to come forward.
and then we force girls to be more open and trusting
and when they do, this COULD happen
who takes the responsibility?
I don't know why this is such a tough topic in India. There seem to be too many societal conditionings against this. I have lived in Gurgaon, and it is SUCH a shithole to understand rape... I mean it is a cess pool of rapists and rape culture is so dominant. Trying to explain this maybe if you can get through to a few people, your still doing a great job! I hope with this TED Talks, we can start to see a change!
She is so well-spoken and this is such an important conversation.
Amazing speech. Thank you.
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brilliant rebuttal oliver, really opened my eyes
It's like someone yells in the beginning "I think rape is A-OK", lol. It would have totally thrown her off her entire point, lmfao!
Courageous talk....🇮🇳🇮🇳
I think there is one country for women,sister is (heart's)💗 of son & brother....and people like you who stand up and go in depth of prblm...and educate the society.....god bless you ..
!!keep doing it!!
Wow. Wow. This needs more views.
rape is not about sex. So true yet so easily overlooked. Great talk!
This is such a good talk. It addresses problems in India but a lot of these things can be applied to the western world. Telling girls not to dress a certain way or not to go out at night just adds to existing power structures that perpetuate the problem.
What a well spoken woman! I love her take on this issue. It shuts down the excuses people make for contributing to rape culture.
Wow learned a lot here, what an awesome speaker, thank you for this, so awful women still suffer like this.
See the video: *Rapes are over-hyped in India*
Much of the 'rape' issue is exaggerated by media and by vested interests.
While she used India as an example, much of this was more about "I don't care, I am not the problem"-attitudes rather than about rape in India.
Feminism’s redefinition of rape means that “affirmative consent” laws, if applied retroactively, would redefine a high proportion of past consensual sex as rape. In other words, if a woman has a drink of alcohol and then consents to sex she can choose to call it rape. Feminists persuade women that the fully consensual sex they had and regretted later was, somehow, rape, even in cases where it is completely obvious to a normal person that no rape by any sane definition occurred.
Women are coming out of "Gender Studies" courses with insane ideas about all this. Many lose a connection with reality.
Countries like Australia result in news articles like this:
blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_empty_envelope/
The effect of this feminist inspired madness is that rape is a word that cannot be used any longer, it has lost its meaning.
@@theknowall2232 I have no words to describe the stupidity, ignorance and bias in your comment.
So powerful and brave!!
Obviously we don't need to teach males not to rape. What needs to be taught is the *definition of rape*. And this needs to be taught to both males and females. We need to know *what 'rape' means* in the post radical feminist era?
In some jurisdictions, rape has been defined so that it means if a woman has a glass of wine with her husband, then consents to sex, she can cry rape for that event either immediately, or the next day, or 10 years later. But males are excluded, so if he also has a glass of wine, well, that doesn't matter ... because he's a man. Are you starting to see the double standard here?
Some young men wake up after a drug/alcohol binge and shudder in horror at the woman lying next to them. Not only do they regret the consensual sex, but they have to worry about being charged with rape if she regretted it also.
So if you teach people not to rape, the problem feminist law-makers have is that many people would start to ridicule the silly modern definitions of rape. People would wonder why we infantilize women as being helpless and why we are so sexist against men.
Nonetheless I am all for the teaching about the law, because it would teach males that they must get evidence of consensual sex.
Jian Gomeshi kept this evidence. UA-cam search for:
*The Trial of Jian Ghomeshi - the fifth estate*
This news story exposes the fact that women make false accusations and if the accused man, Ghomeshi, had not kept decade old emails and photos he would be in prison for a long time. Not only do women lie about rape but they team up and plan their assault.?
As soon as one sees the misogynist word we all know we have an irrational, emotional, illogical indoctrinated female; suffering her delusional victimhood.
Thakore talks as though a rape excuse is wearing revealing clothing -- but this type of rape is a culturally permissible ONLY for some Muslim groups. Other examples she gives can also be explained as a cultural norm for some Muslims:
2:40 Refusal to marry a rape victim.
3:12 Keeping women at home for safety and that men should protect.
3:29 A 'don't rape' advertisement -- which is *obviously* telling *Muslims* to behave like the men in other religions.
5:00 She describes a Mumbai gang rape (Mumbai is 21% Muslim) (www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-23806871). The media fuss over this tells us that it is a rare case.
5:52 Transexual raped by police ...(timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Transgender-raped-by-cops-fights-for-justice/articleshow/42319820.cms) this is an accusation that obviously wasn't believed. I have found that when accusations are ignored by authorities, it is usually for good reason. The accuser ia usually mentally challenged person with a history of grievances against police.
If these are the best examples she can come up with in a population of almost 1.4 BILLION people. This tells us that real rape is almost non-existent in India when considering the non-Muslim population.
Anja Pogacnik so sexist!
I didn't expect such responses to such a nutral comment. It's scary
It's the attitude to women as objects existing to serve men's needs that creates all these controlling social norms, and sexual violence. An object can't have bodily autonomy - or any autonomy - right?
It's the attitude to men as sources of money and security objects existing to serve women's needs that creates all these controlling social norms, and lies/exaggerations of sexual violence. An object can't have bodily autonomy - or any autonomy - right?
+Bethany See the video: *Rapes are over-hyped in India*. Much of the 'rape' issue is exaggerated by media and by vested interests. Shreena Thakor belongs to an organisation that benefits by spreading false feminist propaganda, and the media supports this nonsense.
India seems to have had a worse problem with exaggerations in recent years. According to the Indian National Crime Records Bureau, in 2015 there were 34,651 rapes in 2015. Involving less than 0.006% of males in India.
But this figure tends to be normally inflated due to new definitions including trivial incidents. So let's look at what rape is (in India).
Consider a detailed six-month study of all 583 cases of alleged rape that came up before district courts in Delhi in 2013 ( search for, *thehindu+data+the-many-shades-of-rape-cases-in-delhi* ). 20% of the cases were wound up because the complainant did not appear or turned hostile. Of the cases fully tried, over 40% dealt with consensual sex, usually involving the elopement of a young couple and the girl’s parents subsequently charging the boy with rape. Another 25% dealt with “breach of promise to marry”. Of the 162 remaining cases, men preying on young children in slums was the most common type of offence.’ And of these 162, the accused was known to the complainant in all but 12 cases.
Consensual sex on a false promise/pretext of marriage is often reported as rape and then recorded by the police as such. In November 2014, the Mumbai police commissioner reported that 71.9% of rapes reported that year were related to consensual sex that did not lead to marriage. In India, it is perfectly legitimate to pursue such cases.
Recall the 0.006% of males in India figure; the percentage of seriously mentally ill males in India would be more than 10 times that figure, so what proportion of rapes would involve mentally ill perpetrators? This is ignored. Logic is ignored when feminist propaganda is concerned. The video on this page is feminist propaganda produced by feminists appealing for government grants.
Steve Madden its people like you who thinks rape is over hyped and not a serious offence that promotes rapes. Would you say that murders are over hyped in america or that theft is over hyped in some other part. No. But rape for you is a offence or crime that os paid too much attention. If you will put aside your chauvinism and not so logical brain aside that rationally thinks and not on the facts or figures carried out by some organization who thinks all this is a feminist exaggeration and propaganda and for once think as a human first you'll undrrstand the serious attention and over-hype that it needs. Yes, a lot of cases out there are false. But there are a lot more cases that arent even reported. Rape and molestation is something that is prominent even in cities wheres there proper law and order so forget about the villages where the women cannot even report or say it loud. Out of my 5 friends 3 have been molested including me and a distant aquitaine had been raped. So its not a ghost issue, open up your eyes and go and actually try talking to women who have been raped. And a rape is a rape, violent or not. If its not consent. Its a rape, marrital rapes arent even considered a crime here. Where a women has to live and work for the perpetuator. And the slum children you mentioned. Most backs out because of poverty where they cannot carry out the painful fight they need to fight. Plus a lot of children consents because they arent aware of the sexual crime or sex because they are "children" who lives in slums and arent provided sex ed.and a lot of children among them are males. So please dont make it about feminism. Its a serious human crime. Which needs to be over hyped. Even if it just happened to one person in the whole world.
meenakshi bhardwaj how do you know a rape isn't reported if it has been, according to your claim, not reported? If you can say that it's not reported then of course it's reported or else you won't have the information of its reporting or lack of it... you have created a major fallacy there.
In India, marital rape is not a crime because in arranged marriages many women tend to deprive their husbands from sex and use sex to manipulate them. Also, in India, male rape is not recognized, and neither is male molestation. my close friend was raped and is still raped and he's a male. there are several men who are raped in ways which are not accounted by rape literature since they are not violent means but rather manipulative means and so, they have nothing to do. And I can't really help my friend either, but you people at least have the law behind you. Recognize your privilege, please.
@@harryseldon6712 Sigh.
"The obvious problem with the video is that the woman itself has no agency, because she's literally subject to the whims of any man that comes in her way." It's kind of powerful that she said, "The woman *itself.* It shows that the woman in this example is given no real power and individuality.
First ten minutes I thought she was insane. But I was blown away by the truth and importance of this message by the end. The implications are staggering and something we should discuss more frequently.
no youre wrong
I live far away from India but I still understand and agree with everything she says. I believe this to some extend it applies to most places in the world. Also she’s awesome
I like to take a property approach to autonomy. My body is property which I own, little different from my boots or any other tools I own. Your body is a thing, which you own and live in, and you have the right to bar entry, invite people in, paint the walls as you wish, or even burn it down without my say so. You have no authority over my body unless I give it to you, and vice versa.
That's not how it works in reality, apparently. That's a wishful thinking.
Wow, so incredible.
This can fairly difficult in cultures that generally focus on bloodlines and affiliations and minimize the individual over all.
This is just wonderful.
I am enlightened with new knowledge.
Thanks to the speaker, may more people grow rightly conscious. ☺❤
I love how passionate she is. Her voice rises and she speaks a bit faster, but I still understand her and she is very intelligent.
This really needs to be viral. Please share this video and help our country.
Wow, this is a intense and sobering look at what's going on in different parts of the world.
It’s going on in every part of the world
This womans talk is amazing so informative and passionate!!
I saw that religion commercial!! It was very odd. Shreena is a great speaker and has so many valid points.
I will forever repeat what I learned from this video everywhere I go, thank you
One of the most relevant videos I saw today. Every one should watch it and as she is pointing to, focuses on a major problem in our society. The power hierarchy and the 'getting back' or 'one-up' often becomes a reason of violation of integrity.
She is so charming that it became almost a pleasure to watch her speak which you can't say about every TED talk.
This is the best talk I've ever seen on the issue. Spot on.
Shreena Thakore is amazing! Seriously, this is the best anti-rape/anti-sexual harassment message that I've ever seen!
I want to be just like her when I grow up!
is there any organisation that I can join and help to bring in some change?
there are NGOs working for such causes in almost every state. Join an NGO. Google it.
Summary - It's important to think why you think what you think !!!
This needs to reach out to everyone
women also think rape is wrong for wrong reasons. Women also needs to question their mindset.
Sneha Biswas well apparently she conducted this workshop in LSR college ( lady Shree Ram college. A college only for women)
Wow! Very Powerful and applicable everywhere in the world and to all genders. We must teach all of our children about how not to be rapists not just how not to be raped, and why it matters. Very well put.
If societies could understand this, the world would move forward.
Forward...to what?
@@SuperVladdrakula a better future for women's safety
@@abbeyjane5014 I find it rather not likely. To say the least.
Some of the comments here show how much talks like this are needed. Also this is not just how it looks in india for those of you from the west that feel like the “problem is over there”.
India has a bright future after all.
Some of the young Indians are doing is amazing.
Keep rocking the boat!
I agree with all other comments, except one defending shorts& saying that saree shows more of a woman's body (navel). I want this girl to learn that saree shows navel only when westernize the way of wearing it.
that's exactly what i try to tell my friends, but they just dont get it
I feel so relieved that this TED talk exists.
This is fantastic!
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A very passionate and informative speech. I'm incredibly inspired by women/womxn from around the world who speak out about issues such as this. I got the impression that Shreena had a lot of material to cover in a sadly short amount of time, but she did it well. These TED talks make it seem as if these speakers were born to get onstage and give a great talk. Brava!
this was awesome, thank you Shreena
Very solid insight. Disgusting how Indian culture uses such a horrible act as punishment. All cultures must eventually progress, and leave behind the foolishness of the past, or they will regress and perhaps even collapse.
Wow, I've never seen this point of view, this speech is amazing.
It's amazing to see how the thought of why rape is wrong is completely misunderstood by so many people; especially with rape being such a common problem.
I LOVE intelligent women.
ring up no sale for this one
In the beginning of it, the way she describes seem more likely in India or just happens in particular one way and that simply isn't true.
I still agree with most of her points and just makes me see why muslim and Indian culture is the way it is. It not base out of misogyny of the women but is more fear for the women. Fear for her value and well being against those who would do harm.
The intention may be for good but the focus is wrong. Rather then preventing rape through sexuality by telling women to not wear sexual clothing and etc, they should think of preventing through....something with dominance?
Even for me that is much harder to understand because it's not as straightforward as just stopping. It almost like a rapist would have a different mindset altogether rather the mindset of just being horny like people. There would also be some connotations for men by thinking horny= rapey and make men have suppress negative emotions towards sex in turn will have suppress negative emotions towards women. This attitude will not cause rape but feelings of anxiety for women or of women.
The people who disliked the video must be amung the rapists.....shame on them!
glamour talks how to you know for sure.... are you one among them😂
Anyone who doesn't share your worldview is effectively associated with rapists?
That's the sort of attitude this woman is trying to stop!
Finally, a publicly shared view that I can agree with and be at peace about. Very well articulated. I hope everybody who needs to see this and understand the real problem, does.
She hit the nail on the head.
Head
It amaze me how this talk is actually needed in India..
What it has to do with India?
still needed in the United States too
Really powerful stuff. Great video. All the downvotes on this video make me sad, but highlight the problem.
This was probably the most well-written and eloquetly-spoken Ted Talk I have ever heard. Great job!
who seriously down voted this? I guess they are part of the problem!
I think Fleece Johnson did. He said he could either do it the easy way, or he could do it the hard way.
anyone disagreeing to her testimony is a part of the problem and is the reason why people ALL around the world must have this conversation in the first place.
What a great presentation!
What she speaks is gold. Her thoughts are gold.
That. Was. Brilliant!
Wow! You talk so much sense with such a clarity and passion! Some of the things feel obvious when u spell them that way. I support you!
The best video on video. I wonder why it has so small number of likes
It's so annoying that India, even though braces the Women Empowerment movement diligently, misses the actual point hopelessly. One's security is in their own hands. The whole point of this movement is to empower women to protect themselves from the criminals, but what we actually are doing, is keeping them away from the actual point and providing them with a bunch of rights. Rights, which are supposed to defend them, but some women like Komal Kumar are using them to victimize innocent men. These criminal minded people will keep on taking unfair advantage of the laws until we address the actual problem.
"Innocent men"? What a joke.
that poster in Gujarat! I thought it was showing examples of what they consider appropriate dressing when I first saw it
If someone asks me if I would marry a rape victim... My answer would be, "Was that relevant? Hell, I would marry anyone whose characteristics interests me, even better if she likes me back."
One of the best speeches heard on TedX :)
A really powerful video which clears up a lot of misconceptions.
More people ,specifically boys need to hear this
Wow!! What an amazing speaker!!! I wish I had been in that audience. Very thoughtful and impactful presentation.
Thank you for this. Very beautifully said!
this womans talk is the most intelligent on rape that I've heard in a while
That khak panchayat punishment was really shocking.
amazing...amazing....amazing.....I really don't have words to appreciate you. You have answered my questions exactly for which I have been seeking answers.Thank you and keep up your work.
great talk miss, no woman ever deserves to be abused by anyone , I actually encourage all woman to carry pepper spray or the heck with it , even guns as long as their trained when to use them
This talk is on another new level 👏