Just wanted to let you know about the shotgun you can find in the upstairs compartment of one of the bedrooms here since you 100% forgot that and I definitely wasn't too lazy to finish the video before commenting.
@Vincent Valentine nah it is far too direct to just be an Easter Egg. It is an Easter Egg but it also confirms there's some overlap canonically speaking. Otherwise why have the same Easter Egg twice. Doing that and turning around and saying "not canon" is just convolution that Rockstar expertly avoids. So Red Harlow is more than just an Easter Egg in Red Dead Redemption. He's at the very least existent as a story.
@@Fizhy yea I mean, npc's at campfires in the first rdr talking about red harlow and his journey is evidence enough that Red existed in some way in the redemption universe. The redemption version of red harlow probably wasn't as mythical and supernatural as it is in revolver, however, he definitely existed to some extent in the redemption universe.
@@bobbyb6053 Well, it's a possibility I suppose. But I honestly don't see R* making another rdr game. I can see why they would, as it would make a lot of money, but making another one would likely rub off on most of the fan base as milking the series. There are so many different stories rdr3 can tell that it's better just left for speculation imo (it could be about Landon Ricketts in his prime, Van Der Linde and Hosea meeting, life of a young Arthur or John before and while meeting Dutch and Hosea, Javiar being a revolutionary in Mexico, Jack as an adult although extremely unlikely, etc.) Plus, it would be **extremely** difficult to make a game that tops the two rdr's we already have. I definitely see dlc's in the future, and I see a very slight possibility of another red dead game in the next 10 years, but who knows.
hahah yeah i was surprised you didnt mention that. even on my third playthrough those hicks weird me out. its funny though that Arthurs doing his foreshadow TB cough when you move the junk, since id put off the usury mission for as long as i could and did this first
It's weird tho, if you do this side mission before beating up Downes, Arthur will still cough. It's like Arthur already has TB or got it from someone else like Hosea maybe
"Purity" would probably imply incest at this time. Many families believed in "keeping the blood line pure" and would have many family members marry their cousins. Beau mentions this later on, saying how he doesn't want to marry his cousin, he wants to marry Penelope.
@J T Well, one of my teachers admitted that a lot of his family a long time ago participated in incest because they lived in such a small town they couldn't meet anyone else. Though I could imagine incest being more common in rich families, since the poor probably had better things to worry about like- working. And surving. But one example: Edgar Allen Poe's first wife was his cousin. They were both broke as hell.
Sammy I assume it’s because of the game mechanics, players would be bored if they had to go back to camp every time they wanted to rob a house. However, if it’s story wise it could be because he’s a very trusted member of the gang, Dutch trusts him and he’s been loyal to gang for most of his life. Either way, yeah Arthur is confident.
@@plushia6557 And he's pretty much second-in-command and had been riding with Dutch for the longest. Arthur more or less has free will to do whatever he wants so long as he doesn't bring too much heat bearing on them. In fact, if you *do* exactly that, there's a cutscene where Dutch berates Arthur and tells him to cool it.
@@NicholasT588 lol I know how it is. I live in Louisiana and people here have a stereo types like we fuck our cousins and shit. I plan on going to Maine some day
@@simple_playz dude like you can see inside the house still if you look in the dark spots, so its not an image that they're moving over the window its the actual shadow mechanics its fuckin amazing
@@KianCortada-Covarrubias RDR2 is amazing. The best game in the world, most detalied, best physics and everything. When i first seen that game i was shocked and after playing so much it still shocks me...
@@jamesroode6238 "Stereotypical Accent" I think he meant the kind of accent everyone who's not Canadian, associates Canadians with. But I also understand what you meant, sounds nothing like a Canadian accent, I'd say welsh with hella broken english.
It's a testament to Rockstar that creators can make content almost a year later. I'll bet this game will be like Skyrim. Nearly 9 years later and people are still finding new things in it.
Lol people are not finding anything new in Skyrim, and haven’t been for many years. There is no way anything could have been still hiding, since the Creation Kit has also been out since 2012. RDR2, on the other hand, could and probably still does have some completely undiscovered secrets. No one will know for sure until the .rpf archives can be read, which apparently is being worked on (I thought by the OpenIV team).
Anyone else noticed that the family's dialect, accent, and slang all sounds kind of startlingly midwestern? Like a dakotan on copious ammounts of opiates
Little secret regarding this location: One of the horses closest to the big house will always be carrying a good nugget in it's saddlebag. That's another free 25$!
The horses they keep aren't all run-of-the-mill Saddlers or Walkers, either. At various times I've stolen Mustangs and Appaloosas from them... not the very best horses in the game, but a pretty good step up from the basic nags. That goes along nicely with how they make their living - they like to rob people who pass through their territory, and specifically targeting people with nice horses would make sense. Once you know about this place it's a great spot to head to right away alone on a new playthrough. Good horses, some gold and jewels, and a good shotgun... that's a decent score. The mission with Javier will come up in due time to get the bigger stash hidden in the barn, so you won't be ruining anything if you go there early.
I remember this mission. This is where I got my first paint horse. I didn't think the dialect was hard to understand at all; it felt natural and you could easily tell what phrases and terms it derived from. Also, the girl they kidnapped and abused is definitely dead and buried. They're out in the middle of nowhere. Why keep her in a distant underground cell, when they could keep her at home and no one would know? It was an obvious dark joke, suggesting if he wanted to know her name he better ask her corpse.
Easy to blow even 2.5 million buying property, a house, barns, livestock, etc. Taxes on it all. And be flat broke just a few years later with not even the money to pay the new taxes. Which is pretty much what happened to Jon. Who is neither a businessman, nor rancher, his land is low quality (everyone says). He’s a neophyte in property buying. The banks no doubt fucked him on interest. Etc.
@@Literallyryangosling777 crashes, recessions and depressions were very common in those days. So yes, you might well strike it rich and then suddenly all that money wasn't really worth much.
After killing the weird family I marked this location as my ingame house. I never really use it cuz of course I`m always moving around but seriously that house is great! Its big, plenty of beds you can use, up somewhere that is kinda hidden...honestly it made me wish you could choose where the gang moves to, cuz that place would had been perfect for them.
Nah Dutch would rather move the camp 5 min down the road from pinkertons and directly off of a trail. The gangs camp locations are absolutely awful except maybe horseshoe but even then it's too close to a road. Clemens is way too open. Can be spotted for miles AND from Blackwater ffs. Shady belle is too obvious. 1 of 3 plantation homes in the state Apparently ( must be a small state) and beaver hollow is literally a known hideout for a gang of murders and rapists, the gang claims " nobody will ever look up there" or " the law never goes there" yet Marshall slim grant is up there looking for murfrees when you do the Jim boy Calloway mission strand and npcs mention beaver hollow in annesburg quote often actually. It's just a mess to be real, why couldn't they ever just make a camp in between roads so they are far from civilization? That always bugged me about this game
Kinda off topic but this feels like the only time we got to spend time with Javier in the game, and it's an optional mission at that. For someone who was is the original RDR, I'm surprised he didn't get at least a bit more time in the spotlight.
TAS the SPAS theres another side mission where you rescue bill from bounty hunters with javier, another one you go fishing with him, you go with him to rescue John from wolves, you also go with him to Rescue Sean from Pinkertons. Bar fight mission with him in Valentine. Theres a fair amount of time spent with him. There wasnt enough time spent with Bill, Susan, Molly, Pearson or Uncle in my opinion.
I’ve done a few years of sociology studying and this group strikes me as being a Millenarian group, a bit like the skeletons you find with the ufo Easter egg. The game is set in 1899 so it’s no surprise there are groups are anxious about the dawn of a new century. The Pappy figure seems to fit the archetypal ‘saviour’ role for the group through some degree of charisma.
@@messmermusicals1367 I don't think so. The Murfrees don't seem to believe in anything at all, they just get through one day at a time by stealing, scavenging and murdering. Their cruelty seems to be just for the sake of cruelty itself, they think it's fun. They lack any sort of charismatic leader, which is a defining requirement for any cult. They're just a bunch of inbred lunatics, basically. They're similar to a cult in that they're very insular/isolated and hate all outsiders, but that's about it.
@HOMIE LB they still might think that's what's gonna happen tho. Just like mabey in another reality the world ended on 2012. But not for us. Even tho a lot of people believed it
Anyone else notice that home robbery locations can actually be "help" type missions? Like the couple up north where the husband dies and you help her learn to hunt ect. If you dont help her personally her home becomes a home robbery tip after a while. Also if you dont help her first and find her stalker beforehand, when you kill him you lose honor. If you find him after helping her then kill him you gain honor. What would this home robbery become? Or what was it before it became a rob mission? There is a mind boggling amount of luck getting things done in the right order. Edit: i think that's rstars point, the tiniest decisions no matter how seemingly small or insignificant made in your life WILL change the rest of your life.
near valentine in woods I found a dream catcher. near that tree there was a big hole that was covered with lumbers. I couldn't get to see what was under but through the narrow space between lumbers i saw there was a fire and someone who was there. I didn't know he/she was a prisoner or someone who was hiding by choice. maybe she is their prisoner there.
@@Scott11078 there are also dreamcatchers associated with a specific set of tasks involving the folks in Butcher Creek, and other dreamcatchers are spread out somewhat randomly all over the map. I don't think it has anything to do with the serial killer west of Valentine.
Yeah. I'm also of a northern persuasion, and their speech felt super natural to me. Had to listen hard to realize that it was occasionally a bit of nonsense, but you could still understand what they were saying. "What the hickory" is actually one I've heard in the wild. 😂
This is my theory: In French, the way you say “my house” is “ma maison.” That is the literal translation. However, there’s another way using the word “chez.” Chez means a few things, but one way it can be used is the form “chez moi.” This also translates to “my house.” Using this we can assume Chez Porter means Porter’s house or something similar to that. My theory is that they are a murderous French Canadian family, and their strange vocabulary is a regional dialect mixed with slang and such that Arthur wouldn’t have a hope of understanding. Or I’m reading too deep into it.
I noticed the somewhat odd use of "Chez" too, but I didn't put it all together like you did. Your explanation makes sense to me. And there are def other Canadian characters in the game, so that helps support your idea.
I'm French/indigenous American and from northern Wisconsin and spent a lot of time in Canada and Alaska, and I didn't find it hard to understand what they were talking about at all. Some of the specifics alluded me, but it felt natural and had such close intonation with languages I'm familiar with (maybe French and northern english slang) that I didn't really think it came off as strange at all for some reason. I also speak quite a bit of Chinese, but the immigrants in Saint Denis felt way more foreign to me than the Porters' lexicon did.
they are a nod to religious cults, that isolate themselves, use their own slang terms and believe in things like staying pure and waiting for a promised day
5:30 I know this game is old by now. But upon playing it this month for the first time, I've learned that if you leave the area, but still remain close enough that you can see lawmen arriving and then leave the area. Go back and loot.
Well given how their father reacts to one of them wanting a girl at the market, it's guaranteed they'd have to hide her to avoid getting punished, although unlikely it is entirely possible they have some kind of dugout where she's kept (although she would likely be starving and dehydrated, likely dead or soon to be but they talk as if she's still there)
from the dialogue it seems like one of the family members is thinking about leaving. much of the doomsday talk is from other members talking to him and telling him about how the outside world is bad, and if he joins them he won’t be pure and saved.
Wow. To think rockstar wrote and recorded dialogue in case someone goes the homestead not once, not twice, but three times undetected before there’s a mission that take you there anyways. They could have left the property empty outside the mission. So much detail!
You can also get a shotgun in the upstairs in one of the rooms in the house. Also, cigarette cards, 3 packs of premium cigarettes, tonics, gun oil, food, another small amount of cash in a drawer in the smaller house, ginseng, hair tonic, pomade, herbivore/predator baits and a few other items. This house is a big score in this game. I love this side mission
They always have at least a couple pretty good horses, too. Not the absolute best, but solid ones like Mustangs and Appaloosas. It's a great place to go right away in Chap 2 on a new playthrough and get yourself set up. The Javier mission will still be available later, to get the hidden stash in the barn.
Me: *Sits down and watches a fizhy video as I eat dinner*, "Woah when I'm done I wanna go check this out for myself" Me when I get back on the game: "Damn I already spoiled it for myself"
I feel like there was definitely more of them. I feel like the reason why they’re so hostile towards outsiders probably has to do with what happened to everyone else that used to be there.
On a side note Charles is one of NY favs and here's why: dude never questions anything. If you need him for a job he just says ok and comes along. Unlike the others. He doesn't complain period.
Reckoning that's why the mother didn't return? Just an FYI, "the world to come" is a Jewish expression from the Hebrew l'Olam HaBa. We use it a lot in prayers and various blessings. Not sure if that's helpful at all, however.
I think Rockstar was presenting a view of family life at a time of limited law, education, morality combined with isolation. It's a view into one possibility with a strong figure like Papi who tries to build his own movement through his direct family and belief system. It's similar to Rockstar adding cannibals, cults, and other fringe groups to their games over the years. It's the fun little distractions that Rockstar adds that help flesh out the world and story.
You can go back to several locations the same way. Hanging Dog Ranch for instance; I've killed the O'Driscolls there at least three times in one playthrough.
Okay so interestingly enough, I found a small house that had smoke coming out. When I picked the lock and went in, there was a little boy dead on his wooden horse, a mother in a rocking chair, another woman/ young girl on the floor and the father was at the table. All dehydrated and dead. Don’t know if that had anything to do w what you mentioned but still interesting
In the last dialogue here they mention ginseng. If you come back to this location at times there’s a bunch of ginseng plants planted on the property around the side that you can pick.
8:50 idk, it sounded to me like they just keep a girl's corpse out in the woods that they do nasty things with now and again. They don't seem smart enough to have some sort of underground bunker to keep prisoners in. He has a laugh and says "dig her up and ask" because she's dead so you can't ask her, that's why it's "funny"
What they said, nearest I can tell 2:55 Newt: If dad finds out about this, I'm gonna be in a lot of trouble. Maybe you can take the blame, Mal? Pappy: Where have you been, Newt? Newt: Don't be mad, dad. I was only gone ten minutes. Pappy: Well you can relax all day now, because now Edie gets to go into town instead of you. Newt: That's not fair, Edie always gets to do it. Pappy: Shut your mouth, or I'll whup your ass. You need to start behaving right. Go guard the shed. 3:48 What the Hell happened? Holy shit, we gotta put this out, right? 5:53 Newt: But you, Mal, Finney and I are adults now. Edie: The outsiders will rip you apart! You have to keep strong for the awakening. Newt: But it's been twenty years! Edie: We have to keep pure (presumably for the awakening), don't you know that? Now go watch the shed, you silly fool, before dad flips out again. No one who comes here can leave. Got it? Newt: OK, Edie. 6:24 Pappy: If Mal and Newt see you acting out, they're going to act out, too. When they fail me, you fail me. Don't be so tempted by the outside world, cos there's nothing but misery there! Finney?: But we sell to the outsiders, don't we? Pappy: But we stay away from them, just like always. The outside world is doomed, just like I told you. We're free now, and we'll be freer still when the endtime comes. So no more talking nonsense, understand? Finney?: I understand. Pappy: Now, go to sleep. Sweet dreams. Finney?: Sweet dreams, papa. 7:04 Mal: Did you see that girl at the market? Gawking at me. Finney: Gawking at how stupid you look. Mal: Just you wait 'til I get a girl that fine. We'll make love all night long. Finney: More like you'll make love to your hand Mal: We have that girl we keep in the woods. Dad was pissed when he found out about her. Finney: What the heck was her name? Mal: Dig her up and ask, I don't know. (implying the dad killed her, I think) Mal: Next time we head into town, I'll do my hair up nice, and charm the pants off that girl from the market. Pappy: I told you over and over again, do not talk to people in the market! Now Edie and Newt are going to be the ones going into town, instead of you. Now shut up, and get back to work on that ginseng, and do it right.
It's really not that hard to piece together what their slang means with the context of the rest of the sentence and what they're talking about in general.
@@SpadaccinoLuciano I think you're spot on, except for: Edie: "The outsiders will rip you apart! You have to keep strong for the awakening." She says the outsiders will "blandish" him... blandish is a real word that means to lead someone astray with flattery or bullshit. Your interpretation would fit in context, but so does the real definition. Especially coming from a cultist who believes the whole outside world is evil and conniving.
I don't know if anyone is still reading these comments. If there is someone, have you noticed that Dutch starts questioning your alliance with the gang right after you get off the mountain to your first camp? Meaning that his mistrust in Auther is very evident at the start of the game instead of finding out later on. Dutch does not trust Auther at all.
Dutch is afraid of anyone who actually shows intelligence and doesn't mindlessly obey his every whim. He really just wants yes-men who never question him. It's VERY common among "charismatic leaders."
Oh lord when I did this mission I was trying to tie people up cus I felt bad about killing them, but when I lasso'd the woman in the barn Arthur yanked on the rope and she fell from the loft and landed on her head with a terrifying *crunch*. Felt worse than shooting someone.
Wow I've played that mission a few times with Javier and also seen the cabin with the 2 dead children, never even thought that they'd be connected but until i seen that dialog u showed in the vid, I Kno without a doubt they're both connected! Great vid for sucha great freakin game!
As someone from the UK this is literally how people from Cornwall sound to people who live outside of of that region of the country, especially the older farmers who can sound incomprehensible.
the amount of fools in the comments who didnt watch the video in its entirety commenting about finding stuff like the shotgun and ciggies when it was all in this video
I just visited this place on my second playthrough and I was shocked to see you hadn't made a video on this yet, so I'M SO PUMPED FOR THIS NUGGET OF STORYTELLING
Fizhy and strange man>>>> best rdr2 youtubers :D I cant play the game bcs its always the game running error but I ADORE the lore,stories etc. and yall are best!!
3:28 when he yells "Go", sounds just like when Jonathin Davis yells it at the end of skatting in 'Freak On A Leash" 🤣 Sounds a little like Corey Taylor.
Just wanted to let you know about the shotgun you can find in the upstairs compartment of one of the bedrooms here since you 100% forgot that and I definitely wasn't too lazy to finish the video before commenting.
@Vincent Valentine nah it is far too direct to just be an Easter Egg. It is an Easter Egg but it also confirms there's some overlap canonically speaking. Otherwise why have the same Easter Egg twice.
Doing that and turning around and saying "not canon" is just convolution that Rockstar expertly avoids. So Red Harlow is more than just an Easter Egg in Red Dead Redemption. He's at the very least existent as a story.
@@Fizhy yea I mean, npc's at campfires in the first rdr talking about red harlow and his journey is evidence enough that Red existed in some way in the redemption universe. The redemption version of red harlow probably wasn't as mythical and supernatural as it is in revolver, however, he definitely existed to some extent in the redemption universe.
@@prefix253 I have a feeling we will get to meet him in RDR3 which i think will play in the 1880s when Dutch was young.
@@bobbyb6053 Well, it's a possibility I suppose. But I honestly don't see R* making another rdr game. I can see why they would, as it would make a lot of money, but making another one would likely rub off on most of the fan base as milking the series. There are so many different stories rdr3 can tell that it's better just left for speculation imo (it could be about Landon Ricketts in his prime, Van Der Linde and Hosea meeting, life of a young Arthur or John before and while meeting Dutch and Hosea, Javiar being a revolutionary in Mexico, Jack as an adult although extremely unlikely, etc.) Plus, it would be **extremely** difficult to make a game that tops the two rdr's we already have. I definitely see dlc's in the future, and I see a very slight possibility of another red dead game in the next 10 years, but who knows.
hahah yeah i was surprised you didnt mention that.
even on my third playthrough those hicks weird me out.
its funny though that Arthurs doing his foreshadow TB cough when you move the junk, since id put off the usury mission for as long as i could and did this first
These aren’t some isolated commune people. They’re just from Minnesota.
Rob!
uh yeah hi minnesotan here, don'cha
we are an indigenous cult but don't go a-flappin yer gait about it, hear?
Yo Rob! Its SERIOUSLY STRANGE to see u here lol.
Of all the people I didn't think I'd see Rob Gavagan in the comments here.
Whoa, nice to see u here! I love your channel 👌
Arthur: *literally does anything with another gang member*
“Let’s split up I’ll meet ya back at camp”
@@Texai-ig2kw just fast travel😲
@@Texai-ig2kw da fuck, that a feature now?
@@__justV__ Yeah
@@burningsexuality1540 bruh, I feel old
@@__justV__ ikr
Arthur’s cough in the barn made me sad
Same I was like daam if only he knew at that moment
same
It's weird tho, if you do this side mission before beating up Downes, Arthur will still cough. It's like Arthur already has TB or got it from someone else like Hosea maybe
@@dutchplanderlinde7702 people can cough without having any diseases
@@ShiroDawn I know that, I had a bad cough for a month with no diseases. But Arthur almost never coughs until after the Downes mission.
"I'll flagger your felt" has become part of my vocabulary
Haha same...
Gotta frazzledip my pulleywag
What does it mean
Tan your hide.
@@WorrizEcko "felt" probably meants pelt. "Flagger" sounds like it could just be another word for beating someone.
"Purity" would probably imply incest at this time. Many families believed in "keeping the blood line pure" and would have many family members marry their cousins. Beau mentions this later on, saying how he doesn't want to marry his cousin, he wants to marry Penelope.
The royal families did this when they could not find anyone that's not a commoner pleb
Nope, its been done in rural areas too, usually not as prevalent though.
@J T Well, one of my teachers admitted that a lot of his family a long time ago participated in incest because they lived in such a small town they couldn't meet anyone else.
Though I could imagine incest being more common in rich families, since the poor probably had better things to worry about like- working. And surving.
But one example: Edgar Allen Poe's first wife was his cousin. They were both broke as hell.
Also they are very critical of ALL outsiders and appear to hate them all. Not alot of chance to marry one when pappy wants them all dead.
@@daemonoferror557 edgar allen poe's cousin was also only 13 when they married. he was an adult. makes it even worse :/
I’m pretty sure the captive is dead, I think he was just joking and when he says “digs her up” he means dig up the body he buried
Exactly what I was going to type. That poor girl is dead
Don't know how he missed that
Here's a theory, maybe it's the princess from the missing posters in Van Horn?
Yeah the context was pretty simple, you even hear other characters using the same sort of expression to mean someone is dead
Yup, seems obvious. That's why he laughed when he said it, because the dead don't tell tales.
Why is Arthur the only person that robs a house without asking anyone in the gang?
He's a bit confident isn't he?
Because everyone else wants to bring Arthur along on the robberies. Arthur is Arthur, he need only ask himself for permission.
Sammy I assume it’s because of the game mechanics, players would be bored if they had to go back to camp every time they wanted to rob a house.
However, if it’s story wise it could be because he’s a very trusted member of the gang, Dutch trusts him and he’s been loyal to gang for most of his life.
Either way, yeah Arthur is confident.
@@plushia6557 And he's pretty much second-in-command and had been riding with Dutch for the longest. Arthur more or less has free will to do whatever he wants so long as he doesn't bring too much heat bearing on them. In fact, if you *do* exactly that, there's a cutscene where Dutch berates Arthur and tells him to cool it.
@@ScarletImp yea ans susan too
Sammy, Arthur isn’t afraid of the Boogeyman
My dad was with me when I did this mission and he says they sound like they're from Maine
U play on ps4?
as a Mainer thats both insulting and hilarious!
@@NicholasT588 lol I know how it is. I live in Louisiana and people here have a stereo types like we fuck our cousins and shit. I plan on going to Maine some day
Nah, new Hampshire
Dylan petrovic Maine is a beautiful state, but come in the summer. -20 degrees is no fun to go sightseeing
6:30 Jesus, the windows reflection is clearer than most other games gameplay
So true
Red Dead Redemption 2 is better in everything than most of the games so yeah
@@simple_playz dude like you can see inside the house still if you look in the dark spots, so its not an image that they're moving over the window its the actual shadow mechanics its fuckin amazing
@@KianCortada-Covarrubias RDR2 is amazing. The best game in the world, most detalied, best physics and everything. When i first seen that game i was shocked and after playing so much it still shocks me...
@@simple_playz
Best physics?? Come on now. That’s stretching it, big time lol.
Their accent sounds a bit like a Canadian stereotypical accent. Lots of emphasis on vowels. Especially the letter E
Nah we just say sorry a lot
they don't sound like a Canadians I would know I'm Canadian
@@jamesroode6238
"Stereotypical Accent"
I think he meant the kind of accent everyone who's not Canadian, associates Canadians with.
But I also understand what you meant, sounds nothing like a Canadian accent, I'd say welsh with hella broken english.
I thought it sounded like a mix of Irish and Minnesota or North Dakota lol
Its a Newfie accent
It's a testament to Rockstar that creators can make content almost a year later. I'll bet this game will be like Skyrim. Nearly 9 years later and people are still finding new things in it.
BlackJannik he didn’t say it was?
@BlackJannik I didn't I said I was surprised by how much content is packed into this game.
Lol people are not finding anything new in Skyrim, and haven’t been for many years. There is no way anything could have been still hiding, since the Creation Kit has also been out since 2012. RDR2, on the other hand, could and probably still does have some completely undiscovered secrets. No one will know for sure until the .rpf archives can be read, which apparently is being worked on (I thought by the OpenIV team).
BlackJannik All good, glad you actually took responsibility instead of doubling down. Good on ya.
@@cameronk7399 ua-cam.com/channels/GcF0fKGWCu1a-QJ6crOHlQ.html
Anyone else noticed that the family's dialect, accent, and slang all sounds kind of startlingly midwestern? Like a dakotan on copious ammounts of opiates
Mr. Grinns with a hint of Irish
yeah its very Wisconsin.
I was thinking somewhere along the Canadian border or even Canadian
As someone from the midbest no, they sound like nothing I’ve heard of 🤣
@@jerryblainii1208 it's more Irish than anything. The dialect is likely designed to not be too similar to anything.
Little secret regarding this location: One of the horses closest to the big house will always be carrying a good nugget in it's saddlebag. That's another free 25$!
Sorry to say but I shoot any horses who kicked me.
@@johndow2649 Thats the only acceptable reaction.
@@johndow2649 You can pat the horses and it greatly decrease the chance of getting kicked but it really seems to work only one time
Nah all horses get humanely headshotted here due to nugget. They cant run off like many that appear at random gang camps.
The horses they keep aren't all run-of-the-mill Saddlers or Walkers, either. At various times I've stolen Mustangs and Appaloosas from them... not the very best horses in the game, but a pretty good step up from the basic nags.
That goes along nicely with how they make their living - they like to rob people who pass through their territory, and specifically targeting people with nice horses would make sense.
Once you know about this place it's a great spot to head to right away alone on a new playthrough. Good horses, some gold and jewels, and a good shotgun... that's a decent score.
The mission with Javier will come up in due time to get the bigger stash hidden in the barn, so you won't be ruining anything if you go there early.
"You were my brother Anakin!!!"
"I HAAAATTTTEEEE YOOOUUU" -Anakin
*LIIIAARRRR!*
I hates you ya squirley!
I remember this mission. This is where I got my first paint horse.
I didn't think the dialect was hard to understand at all; it felt natural and you could easily tell what phrases and terms it derived from.
Also, the girl they kidnapped and abused is definitely dead and buried. They're out in the middle of nowhere. Why keep her in a distant underground cell, when they could keep her at home and no one would know?
It was an obvious dark joke, suggesting if he wanted to know her name he better ask her corpse.
Yeah the dialogue is actually really interesting. If you think about it some, you can decipher it based on context clues
When you realise John Marston had 20,000 in the epilogue then you realise it is worth 2,500,000 today
Easy to blow even 2.5 million buying property, a house, barns, livestock, etc. Taxes on it all. And be flat broke just a few years later with not even the money to pay the new taxes. Which is pretty much what happened to Jon. Who is neither a businessman, nor rancher, his land is low quality (everyone says). He’s a neophyte in property buying. The banks no doubt fucked him on interest. Etc.
@@benhaney9629 also in the newspaper they say a economical crysis will hit so that could explain the inflation
@@Literallyryangosling777 crashes, recessions and depressions were very common in those days. So yes, you might well strike it rich and then suddenly all that money wasn't really worth much.
@@dogslobbergardens6606 That's probably why John has like 15 bucks in the beginning of red dead 1
@@foodafen7406more because he spent it all on paying his booze and bounty
After killing the weird family I marked this location as my ingame house. I never really use it cuz of course I`m always moving around but seriously that house is great!
Its big, plenty of beds you can use, up somewhere that is kinda hidden...honestly it made me wish you could choose where the gang moves to, cuz that place would had been perfect for them.
Right?
The loft up north would be even better. But it's too close to the road.
True because while the camp in chapter 3 was fine i think this place would've been perfect to move
Damn, shoulda told dutch about it
Nah Dutch would rather move the camp 5 min down the road from pinkertons and directly off of a trail. The gangs camp locations are absolutely awful except maybe horseshoe but even then it's too close to a road. Clemens is way too open. Can be spotted for miles AND from Blackwater ffs. Shady belle is too obvious. 1 of 3 plantation homes in the state Apparently ( must be a small state) and beaver hollow is literally a known hideout for a gang of murders and rapists, the gang claims " nobody will ever look up there" or " the law never goes there" yet Marshall slim grant is up there looking for murfrees when you do the Jim boy Calloway mission strand and npcs mention beaver hollow in annesburg quote often actually. It's just a mess to be real, why couldn't they ever just make a camp in between roads so they are far from civilization? That always bugged me about this game
it's weird hidden gems like this is why i subbed. so much depth to this game it's insane!
Hope you actually playing the game too..
I can't say enough that I really enjoy your style of storytelling.
thanks
938oooo he’s not talking to you dumbass
@@TDB2509 not shit sherlock
So, am I the only one who accidentally came across this place and exterminated everyone there before this mission was even possible?
Now I'm disappointed that I ran across and took out this homestead by myself, didn't know there was a mission connected to it.
The Memester Gangster me too
It's the first place you can get the pump shotgun, I rushed over there.
can you get the extra money still?
The Memester Gangster
I exterminated it then got javiers mission
Kinda off topic but this feels like the only time we got to spend time with Javier in the game, and it's an optional mission at that. For someone who was is the original RDR, I'm surprised he didn't get at least a bit more time in the spotlight.
TAS the SPAS theres another side mission where you rescue bill from bounty hunters with javier, another one you go fishing with him, you go with him to rescue John from wolves, you also go with him to Rescue Sean from Pinkertons. Bar fight mission with him in Valentine. Theres a fair amount of time spent with him. There wasnt enough time spent with Bill, Susan, Molly, Pearson or Uncle in my opinion.
@@gottiesttyrant5528 you dont spend a lot of time with uncle because he's got LUMBAGO
@@gottiesttyrant5528 uncle gets his time in the epilogue…
@@yarvewhraewlrhaewoirjaeowi5959 true that
@@gottiesttyrant5528 still not enough time with javier
When one of them called me an outlander, I got a major morrowind flashback
Yes, sera?
Just a bunch of N'wahs
S’wit
"There's only one punishment for someone as naughty as this one."
*cha-ching*
5x repeater cartridges
dual M1899 pistols, explosive ammo, i marked someones entire body in deadeye once and there was just a torso left
I’ve done a few years of sociology studying and this group strikes me as being a Millenarian group, a bit like the skeletons you find with the ufo Easter egg. The game is set in 1899 so it’s no surprise there are groups are anxious about the dawn of a new century. The Pappy figure seems to fit the archetypal ‘saviour’ role for the group through some degree of charisma.
Sort of similar but not quite the same, yeah!
Question! Can we draw parrallels with The Murfree Brood?
@@messmermusicals1367 I don't think so. The Murfrees don't seem to believe in anything at all, they just get through one day at a time by stealing, scavenging and murdering. Their cruelty seems to be just for the sake of cruelty itself, they think it's fun. They lack any sort of charismatic leader, which is a defining requirement for any cult. They're just a bunch of inbred lunatics, basically.
They're similar to a cult in that they're very insular/isolated and hate all outsiders, but that's about it.
Family Los Sacamantecas.
"Aw, swinkin' heck!!"
I found a pump action shotgun in here! Before I could buy it in the shop.
I found one of many shotguns in the moonshiners home, lil old lady was annoying along with her sons!
Where??
@@fairytailkate05 it's in one of the cabins in the homestead. There's a ladder leading to a loft where you can find it...
@@modelazim8000 thanks!
Acctualy the pump action shotgun is in main house, in the father's bedroom.
Best RDR2 lore channel ever!
Maybe this family is referring to the zombie outbreak that happens in red dead 1 as the reckoning
And the story of Red Dead 1 takes place after Red Dead 2..
@HOMIE LB they still might think that's what's gonna happen tho. Just like mabey in another reality the world ended on 2012. But not for us. Even tho a lot of people believed it
Undead nightmare is not canon
Um cara qualquer I know it’s just a theory I have because there is a nee zombie Easter egg in online
@HOMIE LB just because something isn't canon doesn't mean there cant be references and hints to it
The lady in their basement could well be the mother from Clawson's Rest.
TheSenatrix that’s what everyone else is saying. If it’s true that’s sad.
What basement?
She is buried in the forest somewhere. Not in a basement.
Anyone else notice that home robbery locations can actually be "help" type missions? Like the couple up north where the husband dies and you help her learn to hunt ect. If you dont help her personally her home becomes a home robbery tip after a while. Also if you dont help her first and find her stalker beforehand, when you kill him you lose honor. If you find him after helping her then kill him you gain honor. What would this home robbery become? Or what was it before it became a rob mission? There is a mind boggling amount of luck getting things done in the right order. Edit: i think that's rstars point, the tiniest decisions no matter how seemingly small or insignificant made in your life WILL change the rest of your life.
near valentine in woods I found a dream catcher. near that tree there was a big hole that was covered with lumbers. I couldn't get to see what was under but through the narrow space between lumbers i saw there was a fire and someone who was there. I didn't know he/she was a prisoner or someone who was hiding by choice. maybe she is their prisoner there.
Can you give us a specific location
@@SamFred93 watch the video. there are two locations: one is near Saint Danis. but the one in the video is more frequent
@@payambehtash7124 A little late to this party, just curious if it's the serial killer.
@@Scott11078 there are also dreamcatchers associated with a specific set of tasks involving the folks in Butcher Creek, and other dreamcatchers are spread out somewhat randomly all over the map. I don't think it has anything to do with the serial killer west of Valentine.
That’s yoda dialect to me
lmao
As someone who lives in the Midwest, they don't actually sound that strange to me. I can understand them very easily.
@@SpadaccinoLuciano you're inbred?
@@Massir_ where are you from partner? I guarantee there was incest in your history too.
@@Massir_ Lmao I moved here from California so I'm the only non-inbred.
11:37
Man: “I HATE YOUUUU.”
Arthur: “Walks away”
You were my brother Anakin, I loved you.
I remember robbing the place with Javier and when I heard them start speaking, I thought “These guys are from Minnesota.”
Yeah. I'm also of a northern persuasion, and their speech felt super natural to me. Had to listen hard to realize that it was occasionally a bit of nonsense, but you could still understand what they were saying.
"What the hickory" is actually one I've heard in the wild. 😂
I did the homestead robbery as Arthur, then went back as John in 1907. Found $100 and some jewelry in a chest up on the second level of the barn
This is my theory:
In French, the way you say “my house” is “ma maison.” That is the literal translation. However, there’s another way using the word “chez.”
Chez means a few things, but one way it can be used is the form “chez moi.” This also translates to “my house.”
Using this we can assume Chez Porter means Porter’s house or something similar to that.
My theory is that they are a murderous French Canadian family, and their strange vocabulary is a regional dialect mixed with slang and such that Arthur wouldn’t have a hope of understanding.
Or I’m reading too deep into it.
I noticed the somewhat odd use of "Chez" too, but I didn't put it all together like you did. Your explanation makes sense to me.
And there are def other Canadian characters in the game, so that helps support your idea.
I'm French/indigenous American and from northern Wisconsin and spent a lot of time in Canada and Alaska, and I didn't find it hard to understand what they were talking about at all. Some of the specifics alluded me, but it felt natural and had such close intonation with languages I'm familiar with (maybe French and northern english slang) that I didn't really think it came off as strange at all for some reason. I also speak quite a bit of Chinese, but the immigrants in Saint Denis felt way more foreign to me than the Porters' lexicon did.
As a french canadian, why wouldn't they talk french ? Or at least partially french or anglicized word. It doesnt work and im from quebec
they are a nod to religious cults, that isolate themselves, use their own slang terms and believe in things like staying pure and waiting for a promised day
5:30 I know this game is old by now. But upon playing it this month for the first time, I've learned that if you leave the area, but still remain close enough that you can see lawmen arriving and then leave the area. Go back and loot.
These videos make load up my save files of RDR2 to explore more of the lore so thank you for keeping this game's lore alive
I love how their language is basically them speaking in Flanders…
by "digs her up and ask her" its pretty obvious he's talking about a grave
Well given how their father reacts to one of them wanting a girl at the market, it's guaranteed they'd have to hide her to avoid getting punished, although unlikely it is entirely possible they have some kind of dugout where she's kept (although she would likely be starving and dehydrated, likely dead or soon to be but they talk as if she's still there)
3:16 "You shut your gulper or I'll flagger your felt I will" ...cracks me up every time :)
from the dialogue it seems like one of the family members is thinking about leaving. much of the doomsday talk is from other members talking to him and telling him about how the outside world is bad, and if he joins them he won’t be pure and saved.
Javiers backstory would make for a great DLC. Add the Mexico map from RDR1 and then cover the story of why he had to flee.
Also the first time you hear Arthur cough.
There’s a cult sacrifice location hidden in the trees just south-west of brandywine drop
eMPhish where exactly??
Not too sure at the moment but tomorrow I’ll have an answer
@@eMPhish is it the one with the broken roof?
Van Poop I don’t Think it’s that cause that’s the Meteor house
It's by a money stash for one of the money lending missions
Wow. To think rockstar wrote and recorded dialogue in case someone goes the homestead not once, not twice, but three times undetected before there’s a mission that take you there anyways. They could have left the property empty outside the mission. So much detail!
Arthur:(attempts to have one day to himself)
Literally everyone in camp, including Jack: hey can you do something for me? Okay cool thanks
The princess maybe ? The girl they kidnapped? ...
Jamie Sehdev that’s a good theory!
Good theory but i doubt it
E-gads!
I think it's too far from each other
It was Gavin
You can also get a shotgun in the upstairs in one of the rooms in the house. Also, cigarette cards, 3 packs of premium cigarettes, tonics, gun oil, food, another small amount of cash in a drawer in the smaller house, ginseng, hair tonic, pomade, herbivore/predator baits and a few other items. This house is a big score in this game. I love this side mission
They always have at least a couple pretty good horses, too. Not the absolute best, but solid ones like Mustangs and Appaloosas.
It's a great place to go right away in Chap 2 on a new playthrough and get yourself set up.
The Javier mission will still be available later, to get the hidden stash in the barn.
They're Chelonians obviously.
Do they though?
I think all cult references and behavior in game is a playful joke on us, being part of the red dead "instant cult classic"
Charlie Cooke bruh
cheloniaaaaaaa
fuickin wrong
*”OH SHWANKIN HECK!”*
*”WHAT THE HICKORY HAPPENED HERE?”*
Maybe the buried girl is the one from the missing posters, or has that mystery been solved?
Her character was found through console commands on pc, I think she is cut content.
Victor Ochoa ye, I believe there was a mission about finding her, but it was cut
Me: *Sits down and watches a fizhy video as I eat dinner*, "Woah when I'm done I wanna go check this out for myself"
Me when I get back on the game: "Damn I already spoiled it for myself"
Sound a bit like the Bean Family.
Fun fact,they where the inspiration for “the hills have eyes” movie.
I feel like there was definitely more of them. I feel like the reason why they’re so hostile towards outsiders probably has to do with what happened to everyone else that used to be there.
*Me watching this and star wars on in the background*
*Fizhy:**ANYONE ELSE HAVE A SUDDEN URGE TO WATCH STAR WARS?*
🤣😅
This definitely happened
On a side note Charles is one of NY favs and here's why: dude never questions anything. If you need him for a job he just says ok and comes along. Unlike the others. He doesn't complain period.
He's also one of the more morally decent of the gang. I mean, they're all rapscalions but he seems to be one of the more honorable ones of the gang.
I found fold nuggets in the horses saddle bag and a pump action shotgun in the house
I'll be adding "oh swankin' heck!" to my list of swears
Reckoning that's why the mother didn't return?
Just an FYI, "the world to come" is a Jewish expression from the Hebrew l'Olam HaBa. We use it a lot in prayers and various blessings. Not sure if that's helpful at all, however.
I think Rockstar was presenting a view of family life at a time of limited law, education, morality combined with isolation. It's a view into one possibility with a strong figure like Papi who tries to build his own movement through his direct family and belief system. It's similar to Rockstar adding cannibals, cults, and other fringe groups to their games over the years. It's the fun little distractions that Rockstar adds that help flesh out the world and story.
@@hanknorris5642 I think they are kinda a "millennial cult", end of the world stuff.
@@drewgoin8849 agreed.
Oh, let me guess. You’re one of those Jew-worshipping philosemite evangelical ‘Christians’ from the US?
@@cameronk7399 dude-
Stop.
They sound like people from Minnesota trying to do some Shakespeare
I went back to that place after robbing it with Javier and the entire family respawned
You can go back to several locations the same way. Hanging Dog Ranch for instance; I've killed the O'Driscolls there at least three times in one playthrough.
This games has so much stories... This is all new to me. The best gamer ever.
Okay so interestingly enough, I found a small house that had smoke coming out. When I picked the lock and went in, there was a little boy dead on his wooden horse, a mother in a rocking chair, another woman/ young girl on the floor and the father was at the table. All dehydrated and dead. Don’t know if that had anything to do w what you mentioned but still interesting
The family in that house died because the stovepipe leaked
That family died from carbon monoxide poisoning/smoke inhalation, due to the pipe from the stove being blocked.
In the last dialogue here they mention ginseng. If you come back to this location at times there’s a bunch of ginseng plants planted on the property around the side that you can pick.
Wow- interesting!! I never knew all of this about them, outside of the mission with Javier. Nice video!
8:50 idk, it sounded to me like they just keep a girl's corpse out in the woods that they do nasty things with now and again. They don't seem smart enough to have some sort of underground bunker to keep prisoners in. He has a laugh and says "dig her up and ask" because she's dead so you can't ask her, that's why it's "funny"
I wish you could go on a house robbery with John. Johns my fav and wish you can play both him and Arthur in the story.
Red Sky have you finished the game?
gracefulcupid8 I assume he meant at the same time
Wait til you find out about rdr1
No one tell him.
Red Sky my favorite is Micah, such a joy to listen to.
I love how there are no important settlements in western ambarino, but the secrets of each house in it are great.
What they said, nearest I can tell
2:55
Newt: If dad finds out about this, I'm gonna be in a lot of trouble. Maybe you can take the blame, Mal?
Pappy: Where have you been, Newt?
Newt: Don't be mad, dad. I was only gone ten minutes.
Pappy: Well you can relax all day now, because now Edie gets to go into town instead of you.
Newt: That's not fair, Edie always gets to do it.
Pappy: Shut your mouth, or I'll whup your ass. You need to start behaving right. Go guard the shed.
3:48
What the Hell happened? Holy shit, we gotta put this out, right?
5:53
Newt: But you, Mal, Finney and I are adults now.
Edie: The outsiders will rip you apart! You have to keep strong for the awakening.
Newt: But it's been twenty years!
Edie: We have to keep pure (presumably for the awakening), don't you know that? Now go watch the shed, you silly fool, before dad flips out again. No one who comes here can leave. Got it?
Newt: OK, Edie.
6:24
Pappy: If Mal and Newt see you acting out, they're going to act out, too. When they fail me, you fail me. Don't be so tempted by the outside world, cos there's nothing but misery there!
Finney?: But we sell to the outsiders, don't we?
Pappy: But we stay away from them, just like always. The outside world is doomed, just like I told you. We're free now, and we'll be freer still when the endtime comes. So no more talking nonsense, understand?
Finney?: I understand.
Pappy: Now, go to sleep. Sweet dreams.
Finney?: Sweet dreams, papa.
7:04
Mal: Did you see that girl at the market? Gawking at me.
Finney: Gawking at how stupid you look.
Mal: Just you wait 'til I get a girl that fine. We'll make love all night long.
Finney: More like you'll make love to your hand
Mal: We have that girl we keep in the woods. Dad was pissed when he found out about her.
Finney: What the heck was her name?
Mal: Dig her up and ask, I don't know. (implying the dad killed her, I think)
Mal: Next time we head into town, I'll do my hair up nice, and charm the pants off that girl from the market.
Pappy: I told you over and over again, do not talk to people in the market! Now Edie and Newt are going to be the ones going into town, instead of you. Now shut up, and get back to work on that ginseng, and do it right.
@Oggy *hMm…YeS tHe FlOoR hErE iS mAdE oUt Of FlOoR*
It's really not that hard to piece together what their slang means with the context of the rest of the sentence and what they're talking about in general.
@@thegatorhator6822 Apparently a lot of people were confused, so.
@@SpadaccinoLuciano I think you're spot on, except for: Edie: "The outsiders will rip you apart! You have to keep strong for the awakening."
She says the outsiders will "blandish" him... blandish is a real word that means to lead someone astray with flattery or bullshit. Your interpretation would fit in context, but so does the real definition. Especially coming from a cultist who believes the whole outside world is evil and conniving.
I won't lie, the language these fellas are speaking is very similar to listening to Irish travellers trying to speak English
One of my favorite games of the past decade.
“A weird dialect” they’re just Canadian guys
I think that they heard, and maybe saw, the nearby meteor impacts. Interpreted such events in religious fashion.
Yep, or they were already religious loons and saw that as "proof" they were right.
11:40 as soon as you said that I was watching the burning body scene on a New Hope like bro the timing!
I don't know if anyone is still reading these comments. If there is someone, have you noticed that Dutch starts questioning your alliance with the gang right after you get off the mountain to your first camp? Meaning that his mistrust in Auther is very evident at the start of the game instead of finding out later on. Dutch does not trust Auther at all.
Dutch is afraid of anyone who actually shows intelligence and doesn't mindlessly obey his every whim. He really just wants yes-men who never question him.
It's VERY common among "charismatic leaders."
2 years and im still blown away by this game. even if it has certain flaws, it is truly a masterpiece
Oh lord when I did this mission I was trying to tie people up cus I felt bad about killing them, but when I lasso'd the woman in the barn Arthur yanked on the rope and she fell from the loft and landed on her head with a terrifying *crunch*.
Felt worse than shooting someone.
Wow I've played that mission a few times with Javier and also seen the cabin with the 2 dead children, never even thought that they'd be connected but until i seen that dialog u showed in the vid, I Kno without a doubt they're both connected! Great vid for sucha great freakin game!
There is so much in this game I didn't even know about until I found your channel
Fizhy could tell a story about a rock and make it interesting
I love how you always put spoiler warnings even though it’s been 2 years. Who knows, someone might not have finished it yet.
As someone from the UK this is literally how people from Cornwall sound to people who live outside of of that region of the country, especially the older farmers who can sound incomprehensible.
the amount of fools in the comments who didnt watch the video in its entirety commenting about finding stuff like the shotgun and ciggies when it was all in this video
Your mom is fat
Swinking heck is the funniest quote I've heard
You heard that cough, this mission made me believe Arthur was already sick 😷
From Jack he got sick and then When you go fishing whit Jack as well he get sick When he wake up in the morning depends what Time you go to Abigal
Milk fire Hot bad is good for Arthur
I just visited this place on my second playthrough and I was shocked to see you hadn't made a video on this yet, so I'M SO PUMPED FOR THIS NUGGET OF STORYTELLING
They’re speaking the language of the gods
"How come Arthur don't like to
wear a hat,he don't like to mess his hair up,haha."-🤠🇺🇲☕🐎🐴..
I thought for a while this is what exaggerated Minnesotian lingo sounded like.
Whenever I deal with a minor inconvenience, I always say “Aw swankin’ heck!”
Arthur starts coughing :(
"Flagger your felts" is an inside joke among my friends
There's a rare shotgun in their house in a case
Thank you for telling me about that
@FM LR your right I think pump action
Johnny it says/shows it in the video you jumpy impatient fuckwit
Nothing rare about it, its just a shotgun.
Fizhy and strange man>>>> best rdr2 youtubers :D I cant play the game bcs its always the game running error but I ADORE the lore,stories etc. and yall are best!!
Mmm, there's always 3 good horses (not Morgan nor Tennessee Walker) to take from them in this location.
3:28 when he yells "Go", sounds just like when Jonathin Davis yells it at the end of skatting in 'Freak On A Leash" 🤣
Sounds a little like Corey Taylor.
Ah man, I did the mission with Javier on my first playthrough but raided the camp by myself recently on my second playthrough, what a shame.
I like how all gang members get their information from town