"Killing an entire town, which appears to have been accomplished here, would require more than one person." Unless you're the protagonist of the game, of course.
@@antoniojm1873 Ikr, having a game where either you play as another gunslinger before the fall or as Roland in-between the fall and the first book would be lit
My theory is that Pleasance was a religious community separate from the local area aside from buying and selling with outsiders. They get hit with some sort of illness. People crowd around religion in bad times so anyone healthy goes to church as much as possible. Desperate for explanation and safety, religious leaders convince everyone over time that those who are ill are somehow impure and need to be dealt with. It works to a fervor on one particular day and everyone goes home and murders their own sick kin in one big bloody night. The dead where loved in spite of what happened and where thus buried with Christian kindness by their families. Remaining people scatter or move elsewhere as a group to avoid arrests or questions.
The only problem with this is if they were the ones who killed and buried them I doubt they would put the cause of death on the headstone. They’d just say passed due to illness or something along those lines. Not horrible violent causes of death
If Pleasance was a similar deal to Limpany, since it took place 16 years prior, it’s possible that it was done before Cornwall had enough resources and experience to be more thorough. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cornwall had used moonshine or oil to set Pleasance on fire then left the containers there because nobody was going to go after him. I don’t think he would be the only culprit, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he passed through there because he was considering laying track through the town, but later decided to change course. As for the lack of crosses on the church, with abandoned old churches, sometimes you’ll find them missing because people like taking them as souvenirs. Crosses at the top of churches tend to be the biggest targets. That was a popular thing to do in my area (along with taking headstones) back in the 1940s-1960s.
Yeah, my personal theory is that the town was stricken with plague, then attacked by a mob. The associations with Satanism are a bit too strong to shrug off IMO, but it doesn't ultimately matter whether they actually were doing anything or not. I think everyone thought they were, since they were a very small, new town, and saw the plague as a sign from god proving their suspicions. This, along with the general negative sentiment to outsiders in lemoyne, ultimately led a mob to destroy the town. Whether the mob was townspeople, the Raiders, or some other group, it doesn't really matter. But, I think the Cornwall had some small hand in it, whether by providing fuel for the fires, posting the law to look the other way, or stirring up the people, he probably was involved. But it doesn't seem like he would ultimately care enough to make his goons dig graves or cover it up that well. But, I bet that if a mob had done it, they would be more likely to bury the children and a few victims, since this would have been a subwoofer religious mob.
I don't think Cornwall's oil drums are strong evidence of his guilt. There were probably only oil drums from his company in the area because he had long had a monopoly.
I always theorized the people stricken with the plague were zombies, and the reason they all died on the same day was because they were “put down” by remaining members of the community. Then buried and remembered as the people they were, not the sinnin’ zombies they died as
That town would’ve been a great way for them to introduce Undead Nightmare 2 but well Take Two only wants Cockstar to focus on their biggest cash cow…. GTA
I bought this game on release date. Played a week or so and set it aside (as I do with many games) knowing one day I would come back and dive in. I did a few months ago and I’m so hooked. Where can I see my game hours in the menu? I now believe this is the greatest single player story of all time and rockstar should be ashamed for how they’ve handled the additional content.
Late to the party but I'd rather people experience it late than not at all. Anyone who decided to never pick it up or played 29 minutes to never come back have missed out.
I found a random grave yard a little bit north of there when I was setting up camp. Suddenly Arthur is by the camp fire, and it is rainy and dark. Then I see there are gravestones everywhere. Freaked me out.
@inobi30 I never even knew that you could visit their graves... I mean everything happened so fast I would've never thought anyone from the gang had time or the means to bury them. Gonna have to visit them in my current playthrough.
@craigsovilla6578 if you pay attention to the cutscenes in chapter 6, Tilly mentions that she snuck into Saint Denis to steal the bodies. All the bodies of all the gang that die have grave sites you can visit in game.
Thank you Fizhy for keeping the RDR community and content alive and well especially in the midst of its current state being constantly bombarded with washed out low effort content. Your passion for this game reaching 4 years old is awesome, and does justice to a game that deserves well more than the half assedness of others that dilute the true tour de force of storytelling depth and mysticism of the series. You and the Strange Man, great channels that's kept me going for 1200 hours of RDR2 story mode alone from when I first started to the present. Prior to RDR2 I wasn't even a gamer. So cheers mate 'av a good one 🍻
I love that you drew several connections to Cornwall, as I do not hear people reference this enough. The game is littered with details at many places that point back to him. If there was an opportunity to gain, sabotage his competition, or cover up his environmental/humanitarian crimes, he 100% would do it.
I wish I could replay this game again without knowing anything. I remember the first time I played this game and came across Pleasance, I was genuinely terrified. I was going to Lagras to get an alligator skin for one of the camp upgrades. It was night time and the GPS route took me through Pleasance. I remember just going slowly on my horse through the abandoned town and expecting something to jump scare me but nothing happened. It took me a long time before I felt brave enough to even explore the buildings.
Perhaps the most admirable part of your videos is the fact that you admit when you've been biased or didn't do enough research in your own opinion. The fact you can do that, and then put out revisited videos, I'm living for it. I've always loved your videos and I look forward to every single future RDR2 lore video.
i like to think that those graves occupy those who were killed by other members of Pleasance due to illness; since some of them are kids, it could be seen as trying to spare them from sickness, while adults were boarded up in the church and the house.
Helltown is a crazy theory that I’ve never heard, and the snake thing def feels a little too obscure for that NOT to be true, but i liked to believe that it was a nod to Undead Nightmare- and all the buried “people” actually went all zombie mode and it was the people of pleasance who were forced to kill them.
So the barn having the words "Stay out, Plague" on it is most definetly a reference to TWD. Mostly for two reasons. The first being that in hte very first episode, when Rick wakes up from his coma, he see's a door in the hospital that says "Stay out, dead inside." The second, and probably the more well known one, is that in the second season. A character named Herschel doesn't think that the zombies are truly dead. He at first thinks they are curable and simply sick, like with a plague. He and his farmhands find zombies, or walkers, and throw them in the barn and try to find a cure for the zombies. Of course, the group finds out about the barn and kills all the zombies, though it is a cool reference.
An ohioan here, i actually visited Helltown quite a few times and spent a lot of time around Boston. My grandpa always told me about the ghost bus and called it the "ghoul bus." Love hearing about one of my favorite spooky roaming grounds from one of my favorite youtubers.
Considering that the Strange Man (in game Strange Man) basically lives almost on the other side of the swampy lake. And the the word plague is written, SM has over looked the town and made a judgement of some sort. Think about it, which town is in RDR2 plagued and connected to SM, yes Armadillo. I think that Strange Man had offered some of the same offerings he offers to Herbert Moon, to the a family of Pleasance. But they refused the offer and got the plague, further more after the family’s plague death, the people started to targeting the strange man, who then made his accountants, and suddenly horsemen of apocalypse arrives, murdering the rest of the townsmen.
Theory: what if the "plague" was rabies? The town has a potluck for some reason.... first birth in the town, wedding, birthday, whatever. And someone accidentally brought a tainted dish that the majority of the town ate. The rabies would sweep through like a plague and because at that time it wasn't treatable the townspeople that *didn't* get sick had to mercy kill those that did in self-defense. That would help explain why some were shot and others stabbed. The house with the "unclean sinners" and "ill with sin" signs could have been the ones that brought the dish and the barn was where they were stashing the infected until they could be dealt with or just left to die however.
Maybe they enjoyed really really fresh deer toungues? Anyway yeah not how rabies spreads and even if it was humans typically get "dumb" rabies not violent rabies, which doesn't actually make you violent it- You know what never mind.
One mystery I always found quite odd was what happened to the wapiti tribe. And the relationship between Molly and Dutch. It's obvious she loved him but Dutch wasn't interested. I wanna know what was her driving force into telling on him and why she did it
I think something to keep in mind is that multiple theories can be true at the same time. For example, Pleasance could be modelled after Helltown aesthetic-wise, and be the story a plague wiping out a small town lore-wise. Personally, I think that's the case here, and I think the multiple deaths on one day are the result of people driven mad by grief and fear killing their loved ones out of desperation.
Could you do some videos about the backstory and major events of the towns in rdr2? Also, about Lagras and why the inhabitants live there even though they show such fear of the night folk as well as the crocodiles. Also, I think the backstory of Colter would be pretty interesting
What if it were skinner brothers? In RDO you can encounter some of them in Pleasance. And it’s mentioned by Charles that the Skinners move around. Maybe in 1883 they were in Lemoyne and saw a easy target in a small town, would explain the deaths as they use various weapons, and the way they look is disgusting
I think the Cornwall kerosene and tar barrels weren't left out of laziness or a lack of belief people would come after him for his crimes- I think they were left as calling cards, I think he is absolutely undeterred by the thought of people coming after him for vengeance. I think he's proud and wants people to know how ruthless he is (as shown by the very public shootout against the gang in the story of the game)
It's great you are revisiting RDR2. I actually am replying story mode for the first time in over a year so these are really good to refresh myself with this huge world.
I feel like the writing on the building might have a been a callback by Rockstar to Blackwater in Undead Nightmare with building being boarded up with hate filled or hopeless messages on the walls.
I literally starting watching your rdr2 videos again yesterday and been falling down the rabbit hole of watching a lot of them. So this is actually a suprise to see just now
Thank you for re visiting this one Fizhy! As my comment when I said strange man did a full version I wasn't trying to say your channel was a bad one! A few years back.
Hey fizhy there is a mystery I have wondered about but haven’t seen anyone make a video on before. The diary in Compton’s stead mentions a runaway slave and escaped past Rhodes. There is a shack south of Rhodes that contains chains, a hidden photo of a black family and I think a capture request for a slave issued by the ascension plantation (Shady Belle). And there can be found a dead slave with neck brace along one of the beaches. I think these 3 things are related, that a slave of Shady Belle escaped and I think Compson was requested to capture the slave by the owner of shady belle. I think compson held the escaped slave in the shack and the slave hid his family photo there, eventually I think that slave escaped again and died along the beach
Thank you for the red dead content; I’m super late to the party because I only started playing a few months ago and it’s cool that people still talk about it
These videos are really well done. I honestly enjoy retreading old locations with new info we may have now especially since red dead is going through a dry spell content wise
I'm so glad you referenced the strange man in this video his video on this topic was so good and I couldn't wait to see if you were going to touch on his theory... both of your channels are great
Fizhy, you’ve been on a damn good roll for the last few weeks dude!!! Thanks for putting in the hard work so we can get great content all the time dude; I really mean that. Also there’s this insanely creepy glitch that occurs when you encounter Agnes Dowd. If you haven’t heard about it I can post some videos and posts, but I’m guessing you already know about it lool. It’s really really creepy and maybe you could look into it and find out how to trigger it and what exactly is happening.
I'll do so if the topic's previous coverage permits, from my angle - if I think I handled it well the first time I'd rather not confuse that, however if some aren't as good as I wanted them to be they'll be on the list.
More points that reinforce the Helltown theory: one of the most famous buildings from Helltown (and one of the few left standing today) is the barn, which looks fairly similar to the one in game. It was closed up for the longest time but has recently been opened. Also, the government purposefully burned down a few of the buildings in order to demolish them
@@lullaby.for.arsonists7329 They took down the rest of the houses and whatnot in 2016, and the school bus has been gone for a while. Iirc, all that remains of note is the abandoned barn and church (which isn’t even the upside down cross church, that one is still in use.) There’s not much to see anymore. Little known fact: as it turns out, the government actually didn’t legally use eminent domain, and the residents were allowed to buy back their properties, but at that point they were already burned down. So basically, the government illegally kicked them out, burned their shit down, and told them they could buy their land back.
Working on my 3rd play through & I never noted the gravestone markings & have never seen the dead python. You come out with some great stuff, Fizhy. Always entertaining, except when your runnin' your horse into trees & fences or shooting chickens. 😆
I'm so glad you're re-visiting a bunch of these mysteries, the older videos were good but felt rushed. love the RDR2 deep dives. also, fun fact about Cholera, it's treated by giving the patient rest & clean drinking water if Pleasance was a Cholera camp everyone who died there would have had to contract the disease in the same day that patient zero did for them to all die at the same time. good theory but Idk how accurate it is.
My theory is that pleasance is just like Armadillo, where it was struck by a mysterious illness (like the plague) where it was killing people. Then it was struck by a disaster where people became crazy and started to kill each other. I think something like the strange man may have even played a roll in the demise of Pleasance just like Armadillo (maybe).
Ruyard kipling wrote the Jungle book in 1894/95, 4 to 5 years before the event of the game take place. In the stories of the jungle book, Mowgli, a young boy is raised by wolves. At some point in the book he encounters a large snake called Kaa. In the Disney depiction of the story, he wraps himself around mowgli and hypnotises him so that he can strangle the boy and eat him. There's a wolfman/feral man in the roanoake valley area, who is protected by a pack of wolves, that mostlikely see him as family, or a cub. These little bits of lore in the game, the wolfman/feral man and an abnormal snake sound vaguely and loosely like the events that occur in the Jungle book
I noticed a few months ago that the serial killer, Edmund Lawry jr, or something like that, used the same white paint at his murder sites as whoever wrote on the barn in Pleasance. Dont really know what to gather from this, and it is probably just a coincidence, but it gives me theories.
So this one is out of left field but hear me out. Lemoyne is in the Deep South, post civil war, with the klan and the Lemoyne raiders roving. The klan is basically inept so that leaves the raiders. Perhaps klan or raider activity forced a community of blacks out and into the area. In real life, the klan did use terror tactics for various reasons on anyone who wasn’t WASP after the civil war. What if this is why Pleasance was founded? To get away from those guys and have a pleasant life away from them, hence the relative remoteness near the bayou. But as we see in the game, the klan is totally inept. But the lemoyne raiders aren’t (totally). Being it’s post civil war south and the raiders are either ex-confederate soldiers, or people duped into believing their cause, they could have attacked during the plague. It’s not the best theory, I know. But there are those facts, and the fact that we don’t know who settled Pleasance. Maybe it was settled for religious reasons, or perhaps to avoid racial persecution. But given the setting and the existence of the raiders, along with the idea of a plague or cholera epidemic, there is a probability this could have happened. But given that, the Cromwell theory you put up is really solid too. I just wanted to look at the idea of it being a local group that’s known to terrorize people in 1899 and has been around for the past 30 years or so in game.
I think it's a weathervane, but the metal pole on the Pleasance church roof has a design that to my mind resembles the Pagan symbology you touched on in your recent video on The Night Folk. Since there's a Pagan symbol painted on a tree nearby in the swamplands, maybe they practiced Paganism and that was seen as Satanism by other surrounding Christian communities. Maybe Pleasance is linked to the Night Folk & Paganism theory you had. Who knows.
Maybe some outside group and a few from the town tried to kill the townsfolk to stop the sickness then the town only had knives so they defended themselves ended up winning the fight and then buried their own (including the ones who turned on them explaining why they buried the ones who got stabbed). Then all the survivors felt the place was a little depressing after all their friends died so they just left
I believe either the Grays or the Braithwaites massacred the town, and then covered it up to avoid any backlash. With the moonshine bottles, it's likely that the Braithwaites murdered the town and the house was a rival moonshiner business. After the massacre, there was one or two survivors who either were not in town at the time or escaped as the killers rode in. This is why there are graves. The bodies were retrieved from the barn and buried. Why? Either a rival moonshiner business was underway in the town or the Grays and Braithwaites had defectors, which led to the massacre, as the families will not hesitate to kill their own
To find out more about it you actually need to go Google Hell's town Ohio pleasance is actually based off it it's One of the most haunted places in America
I think this was a typical outbreak before science was popular. 1)-Outbreak begins. 2)-They have no idea what to do. 3)-Once outbreak becomes dire, someone will say "God is punishing us!" 4)-They start hunting for sinners and witches. 5)-Everyone dies. It would explain the word "Sinner" written on the wall.
My theory is that a plague came to Pleasance and the plague turned them into the night folk. And they soon expanded into the army of night folk we know today. And the ones that died either killed each other with the influence of the plague.
RDR2 holds up so well, I'd say arguably it has more impact on the standard of stories in video games in particular then any other game in its' generation. Too bad the multiplayer never met the same potential as the single player did.
Fizhy I doubt your see this but I want to thank you for pointing out the difference between satanists and devil worshippers a lot of people don't know it but there's a massive difference as a Satanist myself I greatly appreciate that love you video man I can't wait to see more
Peace and love brother. I'm a Pagan, but I've got respect for satanists and their ways. Hell, I know a few satanists that are all around nicer people than some Christians.
I think it was a bit of a Jonestown situation. Super religious, isolated, lots dying in one year. Maybe some drank the *1883 equivalent* of flavour aid?
I JUST picked up red dead again knowing that nothing new will be coming (RIP) but these are really nice to listen to now that ive been playing again. Thank you for your hard work!
I wonder if the survivors of pleasance (and their children) became the night folk. Also the strange man used cholera in Armadillo, right? It wouldn't surprise me if he had something to do with the town's demise.
In addition, IIRC, the Aberdeens preyed on visitors to their home, drugging them and then killing them. I don't see either of them leaving their home to kill others in another town, and risk getting the plague that destroyed Pleasance.
I have a theory and it’s nothing new but here it is, some bandits come around the village and they notice that there’s not a lot of law enforcement and they notice the people living there are peaceful and probably not well armed. They ride into the village, they rob them and they kill them.
If it weren't for the snake in the tree I'd say the whole idea is a bit of a stretch, but that is _the_ definition of symbolism Satan. Often referred to or represented by a serpent, and he also enticed Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, sitting in the tree in the form of a snake. I love these little Easter eggs. God I hope we don't have to wait too long for RDR3. An RDR remake should've been done ages ago too.
Strange Man (a youtuber) has made a video where he explains the mystery. As I see it he is right about it since he has been thinking through it. Pleasance was a town whose residents were in fact satanists and were murdered by an angry mob of people who feared and hated them due to that fact. The messages written on the barn and the other house were left by them as a warning to other people. The word "plague" seems to be what's confuses so many people, but it's to be taken literally but is a metaphor for an unclean, evil place which everyone should avoid.
This reminds me, there's an old small house up near emerald station called Osman Grove. You'll find four dead decomposing bodies, quite possibly a family, husband, wife, daughter and son. Im not sure if it ties in with the emerald ranch mystery, or one on its own. I thought this was a weird spot that the gang was at, there's a camp they went to maybe after or before the blackwater massecure. It might be worth looking in to. I think it's the book you find for jack called, Otis Miller and the black-hearted lady.
4:13 “killing an entire town requires more than one person”
Tell Arthur with a repeater that
Yup. When Arthur broke Micha out of jail they killed everyone in Strawberry.
@@Steely_Fran I would say "well that was 2" but Micah isn't a person, he's a rat
Tell that to my Arthur with a repeater shotgun
Tell my Arthur that, while spawning two different kinds of Gatling Guns in Valentine.
Or a revolver. Personally, I far prefer to shoot someone 6 times rather than once before reloading
"Killing an entire town, which appears to have been accomplished here, would require more than one person."
Unless you're the protagonist of the game, of course.
RDR3, Pleasance is the very beginning and ends with Blackwater
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@@LainVics Now that would be a great setting for an Old West game!
@@antoniojm1873 Ikr, having a game where either you play as another gunslinger before the fall or as Roland in-between the fall and the first book would be lit
@@LainVics Yeah maybe you're playing the period of time right up to the battle of Jericho Hill. That'd be fken tight.
My theory is that Pleasance was a religious community separate from the local area aside from buying and selling with outsiders. They get hit with some sort of illness. People crowd around religion in bad times so anyone healthy goes to church as much as possible. Desperate for explanation and safety, religious leaders convince everyone over time that those who are ill are somehow impure and need to be dealt with. It works to a fervor on one particular day and everyone goes home and murders their own sick kin in one big bloody night. The dead where loved in spite of what happened and where thus buried with Christian kindness by their families. Remaining people scatter or move elsewhere as a group to avoid arrests or questions.
Oooh that's a great theory
You’re a fool if you believe this
Agreed 👍
I like dis. Yes, good.
The only problem with this is if they were the ones who killed and buried them I doubt they would put the cause of death on the headstone. They’d just say passed due to illness or something along those lines. Not horrible violent causes of death
I love how open ended this little town is. Like in real life, not everything has a clear answer and gets lost to time.
Well yeah but that doesn’t usually happen just within 6 years
@@soruvfrancis6210 1883 and 1899 is not 6 years bro
@@harryman5618 oh my bad 💀
@@soruvfrancis6210 nw bro 💀
I always had a bit of a theory that the Pleasance "plague" may have caused the Nite Folk.
That makes a lot of sense 🤔
Go on…
That's what I was thinking it was either that or the giant snake or maybe both 🤷♂️
"nite folk" lol
@@fandral92 its called the nite folk, not night folk, several times in-game
If Pleasance was a similar deal to Limpany, since it took place 16 years prior, it’s possible that it was done before Cornwall had enough resources and experience to be more thorough. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cornwall had used moonshine or oil to set Pleasance on fire then left the containers there because nobody was going to go after him. I don’t think he would be the only culprit, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he passed through there because he was considering laying track through the town, but later decided to change course.
As for the lack of crosses on the church, with abandoned old churches, sometimes you’ll find them missing because people like taking them as souvenirs. Crosses at the top of churches tend to be the biggest targets. That was a popular thing to do in my area (along with taking headstones) back in the 1940s-1960s.
Yeah, my personal theory is that the town was stricken with plague, then attacked by a mob. The associations with Satanism are a bit too strong to shrug off IMO, but it doesn't ultimately matter whether they actually were doing anything or not. I think everyone thought they were, since they were a very small, new town, and saw the plague as a sign from god proving their suspicions. This, along with the general negative sentiment to outsiders in lemoyne, ultimately led a mob to destroy the town. Whether the mob was townspeople, the Raiders, or some other group, it doesn't really matter.
But, I think the Cornwall had some small hand in it, whether by providing fuel for the fires, posting the law to look the other way, or stirring up the people, he probably was involved. But it doesn't seem like he would ultimately care enough to make his goons dig graves or cover it up that well. But, I bet that if a mob had done it, they would be more likely to bury the children and a few victims, since this would have been a subwoofer religious mob.
We all know that Cornwall pays others to do his dirty work for him.
yeah and he couldve put the plague thing and buried them to cover his tracks
Wdym by “16 years prior”?
I don't think Cornwall's oil drums are strong evidence of his guilt. There were probably only oil drums from his company in the area because he had long had a monopoly.
I love that you still do the Red Dead videos, They are very well done
Ubisoft stole his job as an Assassin's Creed UA-camr with their latest entries into the franchise. So he became a Red Dead Redemption 2 UA-camr
Facts I’m glad I found this video
It’s such an amazing game
No shortage of ideas in rdr2
Yeah I just played for the first time maybe 2 weeks ago, so it's cool to see recent videos.
8:59 that absolutely scared me 😆
Love how you didn't miss a beat
I got a more than justified jumpscare there holy shit 🤣
I jumped to that part and nearly shat my pants
It’s 4 am and I didn’t expect to jump like that
He sounds like he is still reading a script there. Like he set that upxD
I’m just doing Radom stuff in rdr2 and I saw that lol
I always theorized the people stricken with the plague were zombies, and the reason they all died on the same day was because they were “put down” by remaining members of the community. Then buried and remembered as the people they were, not the sinnin’ zombies they died as
That town would’ve been a great way for them to introduce Undead Nightmare 2 but well Take Two only wants Cockstar to focus on their biggest cash cow…. GTA
I bought this game on release date. Played a week or so and set it aside (as I do with many games) knowing one day I would come back and dive in. I did a few months ago and I’m so hooked. Where can I see my game hours in the menu? I now believe this is the greatest single player story of all time and rockstar should be ashamed for how they’ve handled the additional content.
I don't think you can see your game hours in game.
I think only things like steam on pc shows the hours
You can go to the rockstar website and sign in and see your current runs hours
I got 3,000 hours on mine
Late to the party but I'd rather people experience it late than not at all. Anyone who decided to never pick it up or played 29 minutes to never come back have missed out.
I found a random grave yard a little bit north of there when I was setting up camp. Suddenly Arthur is by the camp fire, and it is rainy and dark. Then I see there are gravestones everywhere. Freaked me out.
This happened to me when I camped in the swamps outside Saint Denis. Only the graves were Lennys and Hosea’s. Bugged me out.
Why would you camp in the marshes?! That’s like the most crazy place to camp at!
@@jaden36001 Safe as houses!
@inobi30 I never even knew that you could visit their graves... I mean everything happened so fast I would've never thought anyone from the gang had time or the means to bury them. Gonna have to visit them in my current playthrough.
@craigsovilla6578 if you pay attention to the cutscenes in chapter 6, Tilly mentions that she snuck into Saint Denis to steal the bodies. All the bodies of all the gang that die have grave sites you can visit in game.
Thank you Fizhy for keeping the RDR community and content alive and well especially in the midst of its current state being constantly bombarded with washed out low effort content. Your passion for this game reaching 4 years old is awesome, and does justice to a game that deserves well more than the half assedness of others that dilute the true tour de force of storytelling depth and mysticism of the series. You and the Strange Man, great channels that's kept me going for 1200 hours of RDR2 story mode alone from when I first started to the present. Prior to RDR2 I wasn't even a gamer. So cheers mate 'av a good one 🍻
I love that you drew several connections to Cornwall, as I do not hear people reference this enough. The game is littered with details at many places that point back to him. If there was an opportunity to gain, sabotage his competition, or cover up his environmental/humanitarian crimes, he 100% would do it.
I wish I could replay this game again without knowing anything. I remember the first time I played this game and came across Pleasance, I was genuinely terrified. I was going to Lagras to get an alligator skin for one of the camp upgrades. It was night time and the GPS route took me through Pleasance. I remember just going slowly on my horse through the abandoned town and expecting something to jump scare me but nothing happened. It took me a long time before I felt brave enough to even explore the buildings.
Perhaps the most admirable part of your videos is the fact that you admit when you've been biased or didn't do enough research in your own opinion. The fact you can do that, and then put out revisited videos, I'm living for it. I've always loved your videos and I look forward to every single future RDR2 lore video.
Not everything is going to be perfect, gotta be honest about that because even if you don't want to admit it, it's obvious.
i like to think that those graves occupy those who were killed by other members of Pleasance due to illness; since some of them are kids, it could be seen as trying to spare them from sickness, while adults were boarded up in the church and the house.
Helltown is a crazy theory that I’ve never heard, and the snake thing def feels a little too obscure for that NOT to be true, but i liked to believe that it was a nod to Undead Nightmare- and all the buried “people” actually went all zombie mode and it was the people of pleasance who were forced to kill them.
So the barn having the words "Stay out, Plague" on it is most definetly a reference to TWD. Mostly for two reasons. The first being that in hte very first episode, when Rick wakes up from his coma, he see's a door in the hospital that says "Stay out, dead inside." The second, and probably the more well known one, is that in the second season. A character named Herschel doesn't think that the zombies are truly dead. He at first thinks they are curable and simply sick, like with a plague. He and his farmhands find zombies, or walkers, and throw them in the barn and try to find a cure for the zombies. Of course, the group finds out about the barn and kills all the zombies, though it is a cool reference.
I had this theory since I started playing! Glad I’m
Not the only one thinking about the TWD reference. 🫶🏽
Don't dead, open inside
An ohioan here, i actually visited Helltown quite a few times and spent a lot of time around Boston. My grandpa always told me about the ghost bus and called it the "ghoul bus." Love hearing about one of my favorite spooky roaming grounds from one of my favorite youtubers.
I agree with the idea Plesence had the misfortune of an outbreak of some kind which drew the attention of Cornwall who used it to cover up a massacre
Considering that the Strange Man (in game Strange Man) basically lives almost on the other side of the swampy lake. And the the word plague is written, SM has over looked the town and made a judgement of some sort. Think about it, which town is in RDR2 plagued and connected to SM, yes Armadillo.
I think that Strange Man had offered some of the same offerings he offers to Herbert Moon, to the a family of Pleasance. But they refused the offer and got the plague, further more after the family’s plague death, the people started to targeting the strange man, who then made his accountants, and suddenly horsemen of apocalypse arrives, murdering the rest of the townsmen.
Theory: what if the "plague" was rabies? The town has a potluck for some reason.... first birth in the town, wedding, birthday, whatever. And someone accidentally brought a tainted dish that the majority of the town ate. The rabies would sweep through like a plague and because at that time it wasn't treatable the townspeople that *didn't* get sick had to mercy kill those that did in self-defense. That would help explain why some were shot and others stabbed. The house with the "unclean sinners" and "ill with sin" signs could have been the ones that brought the dish and the barn was where they were stashing the infected until they could be dealt with or just left to die however.
but that’s not how rabies spreads 😅
Maybe they enjoyed really really fresh deer toungues? Anyway yeah not how rabies spreads and even if it was humans typically get "dumb" rabies not violent rabies, which doesn't actually make you violent it-
You know what never mind.
what a fun unique twist on how getting rabies works
Umm… it takes a while for rabies to appear in a person, and it spreads through body fluids and saliva
Zombieeees.
Fizhy and StrangeMan, my two favorite channels for deep RDR2 dives.
Red dead is a timeless classic with endless things to find
One mystery I always found quite odd was what happened to the wapiti tribe. And the relationship between Molly and Dutch. It's obvious she loved him but Dutch wasn't interested. I wanna know what was her driving force into telling on him and why she did it
She didn't tell on him
She didn't snich she was drunk and upset so she said that to annoy him mad not knowing the consequences
And the wapiti tribe wre pushed out of America into Canada like all native tribes
@@harris510. no they met her a few times
She lied while drunk in the heat of the moment to try and get some sort of reaction out of Dutch, but didn't consider how people would react.
I think something to keep in mind is that multiple theories can be true at the same time. For example, Pleasance could be modelled after Helltown aesthetic-wise, and be the story a plague wiping out a small town lore-wise.
Personally, I think that's the case here, and I think the multiple deaths on one day are the result of people driven mad by grief and fear killing their loved ones out of desperation.
9:00 "however there's a giant snak... Ahh fu..."
Really took me off guard lol
Could you do some videos about the backstory and major events of the towns in rdr2? Also, about Lagras and why the inhabitants live there even though they show such fear of the night folk as well as the crocodiles. Also, I think the backstory of Colter would be pretty interesting
What if it were skinner brothers?
In RDO you can encounter some of them in Pleasance.
And it’s mentioned by Charles that the Skinners move around.
Maybe in 1883 they were in Lemoyne and saw a easy target in a small town, would explain the deaths as they use various weapons, and the way they look is disgusting
I think the Cornwall kerosene and tar barrels weren't left out of laziness or a lack of belief people would come after him for his crimes- I think they were left as calling cards, I think he is absolutely undeterred by the thought of people coming after him for vengeance. I think he's proud and wants people to know how ruthless he is (as shown by the very public shootout against the gang in the story of the game)
That random animal attack made me drop my phone 🤣 Another entertaining video, thank you.
It's great you are revisiting RDR2. I actually am replying story mode for the first time in over a year so these are really good to refresh myself with this huge world.
I feel like the writing on the building might have a been a callback by Rockstar to Blackwater in Undead Nightmare with building being boarded up with hate filled or hopeless messages on the walls.
I literally starting watching your rdr2 videos again yesterday and been falling down the rabbit hole of watching a lot of them. So this is actually a suprise to see just now
I love that you've started doing Red Dead material right as I'm replaying RDR2.
Thank you for re visiting this one Fizhy! As my comment when I said strange man did a full version I wasn't trying to say your channel was a bad one! A few years back.
Please keep making red dead lore videos I’ve watched all of em a few times now! Top shelf content my dude appreciate it
Hey fizhy there is a mystery I have wondered about but haven’t seen anyone make a video on before. The diary in Compton’s stead mentions a runaway slave and escaped past Rhodes. There is a shack south of Rhodes that contains chains, a hidden photo of a black family and I think a capture request for a slave issued by the ascension plantation (Shady Belle). And there can be found a dead slave with neck brace along one of the beaches. I think these 3 things are related, that a slave of Shady Belle escaped and I think Compson was requested to capture the slave by the owner of shady belle. I think compson held the escaped slave in the shack and the slave hid his family photo there, eventually I think that slave escaped again and died along the beach
Another amazing video 👍
Thank you for the red dead content; I’m super late to the party because I only started playing a few months ago and it’s cool that people still talk about it
Really enjoying these revisit rdr2 videos! Brings me back to when I first found your channel and binged all your rdr2 videos
@@Fizhy moar rdr2 >:)
Please never stop the red dead videos you’re the man Fizhy!
These videos are really well done. I honestly enjoy retreading old locations with new info we may have now especially since red dead is going through a dry spell content wise
I'm so glad you referenced the strange man in this video his video on this topic was so good and I couldn't wait to see if you were going to touch on his theory... both of your channels are great
I remember watching the original video and I'll tell you this one makes me excited for the possibility of a whole revisited series
Like always good job can't imagine how long it takes to do research and get info on things. Ready for the next one
4:11 *Arthur controlled by a player who's doing an evil playthrough laughs maniacally*
Fizhy, you’ve been on a damn good roll for the last few weeks dude!!! Thanks for putting in the hard work so we can get great content all the time dude; I really mean that. Also there’s this insanely creepy glitch that occurs when you encounter Agnes Dowd. If you haven’t heard about it I can post some videos and posts, but I’m guessing you already know about it lool. It’s really really creepy and maybe you could look into it and find out how to trigger it and what exactly is happening.
Please keep revisiting old subjects!
I'll do so if the topic's previous coverage permits, from my angle - if I think I handled it well the first time I'd rather not confuse that, however if some aren't as good as I wanted them to be they'll be on the list.
years old game yet still so many easter eggs thanks for covering this again
More points that reinforce the Helltown theory: one of the most famous buildings from Helltown (and one of the few left standing today) is the barn, which looks fairly similar to the one in game. It was closed up for the longest time but has recently been opened. Also, the government purposefully burned down a few of the buildings in order to demolish them
Fr? Been wanting to visit for awhile but I feel like it'll be all gone by the time I get the chance
@@lullaby.for.arsonists7329 They took down the rest of the houses and whatnot in 2016, and the school bus has been gone for a while. Iirc, all that remains of note is the abandoned barn and church (which isn’t even the upside down cross church, that one is still in use.) There’s not much to see anymore. Little known fact: as it turns out, the government actually didn’t legally use eminent domain, and the residents were allowed to buy back their properties, but at that point they were already burned down. So basically, the government illegally kicked them out, burned their shit down, and told them they could buy their land back.
I love that fizhy is revisiting these video topics about a game that’s nearly (red) dead
Working on my 3rd play through & I never noted the gravestone markings & have never seen the dead python. You come out with some great stuff, Fizhy. Always entertaining, except when your runnin' your horse into trees & fences or shooting chickens. 😆
we need more red dead high quality content creators, keep it up even if it’s just a silly lil play through… i love you british boy 🙏🏾
I'm so glad you're re-visiting a bunch of these mysteries, the older videos were good but felt rushed.
love the RDR2 deep dives.
also, fun fact about Cholera, it's treated by giving the patient rest & clean drinking water if Pleasance was a Cholera camp everyone who died there would have had to contract the disease in the same day that patient zero did for them to all die at the same time. good theory but Idk how accurate it is.
Look up Cholera, rest and good drinking water was moot.
Cholera was a death sentence.
My theory is that pleasance is just like Armadillo, where it was struck by a mysterious illness (like the plague) where it was killing people. Then it was struck by a disaster where people became crazy and started to kill each other. I think something like the strange man may have even played a roll in the demise of Pleasance just like Armadillo (maybe).
I’m here for these red dead videos. I kinda don’t want them to end even though I know they have to.
Thank you so much for covering this 😭👌🏼
this was a really well made video Fizhy, thank you for filling the RDR community with amazing content and keep up the great work! i hope you are well
Ruyard kipling wrote the Jungle book in 1894/95, 4 to 5 years before the event of the game take place.
In the stories of the jungle book, Mowgli, a young boy is raised by wolves. At some point in the book he encounters a large snake called Kaa. In the Disney depiction of the story, he wraps himself around mowgli and hypnotises him so that he can strangle the boy and eat him.
There's a wolfman/feral man in the roanoake valley area, who is protected by a pack of wolves, that mostlikely see him as family, or a cub.
These little bits of lore in the game, the wolfman/feral man and an abnormal snake sound vaguely and loosely like the events that occur in the Jungle book
Fantastic and enjoyable content as always mate!
I noticed a few months ago that the serial killer, Edmund Lawry jr, or something like that, used the same white paint at his murder sites as whoever wrote on the barn in Pleasance. Dont really know what to gather from this, and it is probably just a coincidence, but it gives me theories.
This man just always delivers!
The Aberdeen Pig Farm mass grave was probably the residents of Pleasance buried by the people living at the Aberdeen Pig Farm
So this one is out of left field but hear me out. Lemoyne is in the Deep South, post civil war, with the klan and the Lemoyne raiders roving. The klan is basically inept so that leaves the raiders. Perhaps klan or raider activity forced a community of blacks out and into the area. In real life, the klan did use terror tactics for various reasons on anyone who wasn’t WASP after the civil war.
What if this is why Pleasance was founded? To get away from those guys and have a pleasant life away from them, hence the relative remoteness near the bayou. But as we see in the game, the klan is totally inept. But the lemoyne raiders aren’t (totally). Being it’s post civil war south and the raiders are either ex-confederate soldiers, or people duped into believing their cause, they could have attacked during the plague. It’s not the best theory, I know. But there are those facts, and the fact that we don’t know who settled Pleasance. Maybe it was settled for religious reasons, or perhaps to avoid racial persecution. But given the setting and the existence of the raiders, along with the idea of a plague or cholera epidemic, there is a probability this could have happened. But given that, the Cromwell theory you put up is really solid too. I just wanted to look at the idea of it being a local group that’s known to terrorize people in 1899 and has been around for the past 30 years or so in game.
I really hope you continue to make red dead videos, they are part of the reason I love your channel and subbed in the first place.
It was Gavin
That God damn bastard
Fact
9:00 I love it when as soon as you say that a panther just attacks you lol
I think it's a weathervane, but the metal pole on the Pleasance church roof has a design that to my mind resembles the Pagan symbology you touched on in your recent video on The Night Folk. Since there's a Pagan symbol painted on a tree nearby in the swamplands, maybe they practiced Paganism and that was seen as Satanism by other surrounding Christian communities. Maybe Pleasance is linked to the Night Folk & Paganism theory you had. Who knows.
Maybe some outside group and a few from the town tried to kill the townsfolk to stop the sickness then the town only had knives so they defended themselves ended up winning the fight and then buried their own (including the ones who turned on them explaining why they buried the ones who got stabbed). Then all the survivors felt the place was a little depressing after all their friends died so they just left
9:02 Am I the only person who was freaked out??!??
I believe either the Grays or the Braithwaites massacred the town, and then covered it up to avoid any backlash.
With the moonshine bottles, it's likely that the Braithwaites murdered the town and the house was a rival moonshiner business.
After the massacre, there was one or two survivors who either were not in town at the time or escaped as the killers rode in.
This is why there are graves. The bodies were retrieved from the barn and buried.
Why? Either a rival moonshiner business was underway in the town or the Grays and Braithwaites had defectors, which led to the massacre, as the families will not hesitate to kill their own
To find out more about it you actually need to go Google Hell's town Ohio pleasance is actually based off it it's One of the most haunted places in America
I think this was a typical outbreak before science was popular.
1)-Outbreak begins.
2)-They have no idea what to do.
3)-Once outbreak becomes dire, someone will say "God is punishing us!"
4)-They start hunting for sinners and witches.
5)-Everyone dies.
It would explain the word "Sinner" written on the wall.
Exactly
What about the big ass snake
So many mysteries gotta love em
My theory is that a plague came to Pleasance and the plague turned them into the night folk. And they soon expanded into the army of night folk we know today. And the ones that died either killed each other with the influence of the plague.
RDR2 holds up so well, I'd say arguably it has more impact on the standard of stories in video games in particular then any other game in its' generation. Too bad the multiplayer never met the same potential as the single player did.
RDR 2010 had a fun multi-player. Maybe standards have changed since then? Don't know if it would hold up today.
Dudeeee I love listening to these videos as I’m drifiting In and out of sleep and the thing at 8:59 scared the hell outta of me😂
Fizhy I doubt your see this but I want to thank you for pointing out the difference between satanists and devil worshippers a lot of people don't know it but there's a massive difference as a Satanist myself I greatly appreciate that love you video man I can't wait to see more
Peace and love brother. I'm a Pagan, but I've got respect for satanists and their ways. Hell, I know a few satanists that are all around nicer people than some Christians.
Another great video . I always come back for your RdR videos. They are the best .
I think it was a bit of a Jonestown situation. Super religious, isolated, lots dying in one year. Maybe some drank the *1883 equivalent* of flavour aid?
True, but what is flavour aid? Wasn't it Kool-Aid??
@@caledonianamerican41 Nope, it cyanide laced Flavor Aid which is a knock off brand of Kool-Aid
@@christopherholt6930 Oh alright
I JUST picked up red dead again knowing that nothing new will be coming (RIP) but these are really nice to listen to now that ive been playing again. Thank you for your hard work!
I wonder if the survivors of pleasance (and their children) became the night folk.
Also the strange man used cholera in Armadillo, right? It wouldn't surprise me if he had something to do with the town's demise.
Ooh I like this theory!
found this heavenly channel high the other day after a huge rdr2 grind, and im HOOKED bru, i see a video recommended and i click.. im a simple man.
In addition, IIRC, the Aberdeens preyed on visitors to their home, drugging them and then killing them. I don't see either of them leaving their home to kill others in another town, and risk getting the plague that destroyed Pleasance.
aged 10 & 8
Great video. Loving these mysteries revisited.
I have a theory and it’s nothing new but here it is, some bandits come around the village and they notice that there’s not a lot of law enforcement and they notice the people living there are peaceful and probably not well armed. They ride into the village, they rob them and they kill them.
God that cougar scared me @8:55 “however there is a giant snake AHHHHH” 😂
Im so glad you mentioned strange man. His videos are absolutely brilliant and underrated
as long as you make rdr videos ima stay watching u do it like no other
Haven't actually played this game in a couple years, love these videos though. Completed the story when it came out.. Feeling like starting again!
I love these videos. Made me restart the story for a more I’m depth play experience.
If it weren't for the snake in the tree I'd say the whole idea is a bit of a stretch, but that is _the_ definition of symbolism Satan. Often referred to or represented by a serpent, and he also enticed Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, sitting in the tree in the form of a snake. I love these little Easter eggs. God I hope we don't have to wait too long for RDR3. An RDR remake should've been done ages ago too.
Strange Man (a youtuber) has made a video where he explains the mystery. As I see it he is right about it since he has been thinking through it. Pleasance was a town whose residents were in fact satanists and were murdered by an angry mob of people who feared and hated them due to that fact. The messages written on the barn and the other house were left by them as a warning to other people. The word "plague" seems to be what's confuses so many people, but it's to be taken literally but is a metaphor for an unclean, evil place which everyone should avoid.
Helltown Ohio is a weird place, I've camped back there with a few friend's and heard strange noises. You guy's should look that place up.
love ur videos man, they’re always too quality :))
Great job on this video! I truly appreciate all your hard work that went into it.
"However there is a giant snake- aH-"
Cool as a pickle man lmao
That attack actually made me jump for some reason. Nice.
This reminds me, there's an old small house up near emerald station called Osman Grove. You'll find four dead decomposing bodies, quite possibly a family, husband, wife, daughter and son. Im not sure if it ties in with the emerald ranch mystery, or one on its own. I thought this was a weird spot that the gang was at, there's a camp they went to maybe after or before the blackwater massecure. It might be worth looking in to. I think it's the book you find for jack called, Otis Miller and the black-hearted lady.
If you look you can see that the flue was blocked.