I’ve used a Mugen RR for a couple of months, a friend has one. And the comment about the suspension being far to stiff is completely incorrect. Yes it’s very firm springs but the dampers are so good that it’s actually a very comfy car. Yes the seats are mounted to hi (I’m 6ft 1) though. The Mugen RR is, in my mind the greatest all round FWD car of all time.
Christian Lilly that is certainly not true at all! The best integra platform is the 96-01 integra type r which was factory braced and seam welded all around the body and handled extremely well and performed phenomenal! I should know since I have a completely bone stock 95,000 mile b18c5 usdm type r engine in my dc2 and Jesus that thing is a little monster for its time
@@petrolhead8851 my da has a b16 block with a b18 head out of a 96 gsr and it's got a lot of power and it handles very very well. I donno I think the 90 to 93 need a lot more love.
Christian Lilly they can look good too,and old friend of mine had a nice da,it was an ls vtec conversion and ran really strong,it looked good too because he pulled the rear fenders and made it look really aggressive.. I love my dc2 tho it’s super clean and has all the itr goodies,it’s got a usdm b18c5 with 95k miles,has the itr 5lug conversion and 16” itr wheels,jdm itr front end,itr brakes,full itr interior etc...
The Mugen RR at the drop of a gear lol.. I don't care about bhp, I don't care about what material the dashboard is made from. I just want to hear the magic of a naturally aspirated V-TEC..
The 8th Gen always looked good from the front, but the back looks like garbage. The RR did a great job by remaining a sedan and adding the giant wing does wonders
FK8 was designed by UK and turbocharged it (always turbo any cars by the West). Destroying the iconic legendary high rev vtec found in type R from JDM (East).
nel c the engine comes from the US.. they get shipped to the UK in crates. Apart from that Honda openly admitted they cant do NA engines anymore due to stricter legislation around exhaust gasses. So Turbo was the only way to go if they wanted to keep up with the competition. I have owned a oldschool B18c (JDM type R) powered car and now own a FK8 and yes the high revving sound is gone but the intake noise and engine itself still sounds every bit like a Honda used to allthough muffled because of the turbo. You will always have people that swear by the old N/A type cars, but as a car lover you can’t deny the awesome work Honda has done with the FK8 within modern day rules. It is the fastest FF car from factory to date just like the Integra Type R was for 5 years in a row.
Emission standards may play a role in why they went turbo but most importantly they needed to keep up with the power trend. Honda will most likely keep staying with 2.0L small displacement cars forever while everyone else is using V6 or V8 (and seeing 400+ hp) to increase power so turbo is the only way to stay on comaparable terms with everyone else. How else would you justify spending 50k? Look at volvos turbo/supercharged 2.0L hybrid pumping out 316hp @5700 rpm. Honda's still got a long way to go.
I love better the mugen RR than the Type R. The exhaust from the mugen RR is really loud, fast and awesome. The type R exhaust is really low and quite. Mugen RR the Best and does carry manual emergency brake which i love.
I love my FG2 with 07 K24a2 swap + All the supporting mods to suspension, motor mounts, brakes etc. etc. It's basically my own self built Mugen RR for half the price. Weighs in right at 2750 [which I didn't believe either when I saw the sheet, but I guess its true the coupes are lighter than the sedans]. Putting down a nice 220 / 170 right at the wheels with instant torque. It is true, that as soon as your foot touches the pedal at 6k rpm, you really get a feeling of your body singing with joy lmao. Now all I gotta do is turbo it, and I will have something that Honda cant release from the factory :]
The helical LSD Honda used has much less to do with the lack of torquesteer in the new Civic Type-R; it actually is a function of the suspension geometry they've used to place the steering axis very near the middle of the tire contact patch.
5:30 that's because the vtec on the newest one isn't vtec.. It actually lowers cam timing to smoothen the power curve, at least that's what the hot version/vtec club crew were saying when they reviewed it.
Great video! I have been waiting for this! I own a Mugen SI and I think the K series engine have more potential especially if you want to go force induction. Mine is completely stock still. And for the record it is not the same as the regular SI with a body kit. The suspension and tires add a lot to the handling. The exhaust sound is amazing and the body kit gives it a unique look. I plan on making a video of it soon.
It looked like you weren’t driving the FK8 quick enough to truly appreciate it. Every other reviewer has raved about it, putting it well ahead of its European rivals.
Sleepy I don’t think any of you understand the term “drivers car” maybe I shall break it down a turbo car fully capable where a N/A car is more driver involved.
FD2 everyday of the week, it just looks and sounds fantastic, whereas the FK8 sounds as exciting as a 1.2 Jazz and looks like the standard car has been handbrake turned into every Halfords shelf.
honda did not pick UK to "upscale" the quality. As for a honda car the best quality they can do is out of their factory in Japan & all the Mugen RR were made only in Japan. For 2006 and for Honda, the Mugen RR was a no compromise build.
The comment that you shouldn't own a type R unless you know how to heel and toe is ridiculous, maybe in the ek9 days but considering you didn't even mention the ep3 it's silly to say such about these mainstream models.
The FK8 is more of a mass market product, it appeals to the people used to the usual comfortable, quiet turbo boats which aren't really what Honda is liked for by Honda enthusiasts The RR is a perfected machine for pure Honda fans; there's a reason why only 300 were ever made.The two don't compare because they aren't made for the same crowd.Both are good, in their respective regards.But as a true performance Honda the RR sticks to the roots a 100x better.
I got to say that the European version or Mugen Version seems more refined but the American FK8 is growing on me and it has a more wilder style. The HP is very little. Nothing a small tune in boost or intake cant handle. Honestly.
I don't see how you can recommend buying the Mugen RR, a limited run, out of production car, over the FK8 Civic type R, a modern car with better performance that you can actually still walk into a showroom and buy. I loved the comparison, especially against such a rare modern classic, but honestly, it feels like a promo organised by owners of the Mugen who benefit from increased desirability.
@CC: I'm laughing my ass off when you say "is it the pocket rocket we used to love?" Cause I own an 89 Si.....shit that's older than you!!! That is a pocket rocket. When properly tuned, you can have a shitload of fun with this. Cheers
I’d rather own and drive a ctr that has no radio, rides stiffer than my upper lip feeling like I’m sitting in a van than the new ctr’s. The RR only has 300 in production because it was made only to be raced. It just so happens to look 🔥 as well. That thing is going to be worth a pretty penny in the next 20 yrs.
Would get both of them; that's the thing with Type-R's, each generation is unique and valuable in their own ways, with each generation building upon the previous while implementing safety standards and practicalities of their respective time period.
I have the FK myself I like that more as its does have a real hand brake and better interior IMHO but the Fk8 (new one) also has a ally bonnet and mechanical slip differential and to be fair the seating position just look all wrong in the RR
Get a Mugen Si if you're in NA. I got a used one with around 92k miles on it for 18k USD. I put around 40k miles on it in 3 years and when i went to trade it in Honda gave me 24,000 for it. The mugen cars hold great value. Was an amazing car as well, only had 1 issue with it and it was synchros in 2nd gear. 130k miles with only 1 rough gear shift id say was damn good build quality.
was it jsut me bt did he say the fk8 sounds louder in vtec? i thought vtec was reversd in the turbo civic to give you better power down low and lets the turbo take over up high?
I'd take a "Regular" FD2 Type R over the new FK8. My interest in the type R brand stopped when they started using turbochargers. I understand WHY they are now turbocharged. But to me a Type R will always be a Naturally Aspirated screamer (EP3 owner)
he says buy the mugen rr as if it were readily available at your local corner deli...lol do you think if anyone in the market fro an fk8 would pass on an rr if it was actually available? I doubt it...
Mugen rr is the very essence of the type R brand. Personally if you want a real type R you have to import one from Japan. I still can't get over how ugly the fk8 is and how 320hp works at the front wheels...
Ivan Nevistic My exact thinking 320hp from the front wheels won't work as intended. It's to powerful! (I have not driven it so it's my opinion only) and to the other guys I've seen plenty of them in Aberdeen Scotland they're ugly as fuck.
@@ivannevistic1368 it's said that they've done a fantastic job with it being fwd. Ig the only way to find out is to drive it. Japanese engineering at its best
I’ve used a Mugen RR for a couple of months, a friend has one. And the comment about the suspension being far to stiff is completely incorrect.
Yes it’s very firm springs but the dampers are so good that it’s actually a very comfy car. Yes the seats are mounted to hi (I’m 6ft 1) though.
The Mugen RR is, in my mind the greatest all round FWD car of all time.
tegboyek9 better then the integra type r ?
I donno I think the 1993 teg gsr is the best.
Christian Lilly that is certainly not true at all! The best integra platform is the 96-01 integra type r which was factory braced and seam welded all around the body and handled extremely well and performed phenomenal! I should know since I have a completely bone stock 95,000 mile b18c5 usdm type r engine in my dc2 and Jesus that thing is a little monster for its time
@@petrolhead8851 my da has a b16 block with a b18 head out of a 96 gsr and it's got a lot of power and it handles very very well. I donno I think the 90 to 93 need a lot more love.
Christian Lilly they can look good too,and old friend of mine had a nice da,it was an ls vtec conversion and ran really strong,it looked good too because he pulled the rear fenders and made it look really aggressive.. I love my dc2 tho it’s super clean and has all the itr goodies,it’s got a usdm b18c5 with 95k miles,has the itr 5lug conversion and 16” itr wheels,jdm itr front end,itr brakes,full itr interior etc...
I would take a mugen RR over the fk8.
Me too...😎👏
All day Bro!!!
Engine swap lol
It does look better
Who wouldn't? Probably the last of the CTR that are NA powered.
The Mugen RR at the drop of a gear lol..
I don't care about bhp, I don't care about what material the dashboard is made from. I just want to hear the magic of a naturally aspirated V-TEC..
And it's also beautiful.
💯
All I know is that the 8th Gen Sis from 2006-2011 sound better than any other Honda product (unless you're factoring in the S20000 or the NSX)
The 8th Gen always looked good from the front, but the back looks like garbage. The RR did a great job by remaining a sedan and adding the giant wing does wonders
The FD2 is my all-time favorite Civic Type-R and car, I don't care if the FK2 and FK8 are faster, the FD2 is the only one I would drive home with.
Same
NA aspirated sounds so much better nd more traditional civic sound
"ATM Machine".
The Mugen RR is the absolute best NA K-series Civic Type R. If you need that refined NA VTEC feel/sound this car is the way to go.
Id take the Mugen RR, I just find the New Civic Type R is kinda overstyled and looks like a Spaceship-ish
John Washington yeahhh
It looks good in its own way.
Lol so it looks more than it’s worth?
Exactly how I like it!
@@BlackSaiyan_ The Black Saiyan
Not at all, it looks cheesy.
MUGEN RR IS THE GOAT
FK8 was designed by UK and turbocharged it (always turbo any cars by the West). Destroying the iconic legendary high rev vtec found in type R from JDM (East).
nel c the engine comes from the US.. they get shipped to the UK in crates. Apart from that Honda openly admitted they cant do NA engines anymore due to stricter legislation around exhaust gasses. So Turbo was the only way to go if they wanted to keep up with the competition. I have owned a oldschool B18c (JDM type R) powered car and now own a FK8 and yes the high revving sound is gone but the intake noise and engine itself still sounds every bit like a Honda used to allthough muffled because of the turbo. You will always have people that swear by the old N/A type cars, but as a car lover you can’t deny the awesome work Honda has done with the FK8 within modern day rules. It is the fastest FF car from factory to date just like the Integra Type R was for 5 years in a row.
Emission standards may play a role in why they went turbo but most importantly they needed to keep up with the power trend. Honda will most likely keep staying with 2.0L small displacement cars forever while everyone else is using V6 or V8 (and seeing 400+ hp) to increase power so turbo is the only way to stay on comaparable terms with everyone else. How else would you justify spending 50k? Look at volvos turbo/supercharged 2.0L hybrid pumping out 316hp @5700 rpm. Honda's still got a long way to go.
Wrong. The car was designed by Japanese engineers. The car is built in the UK.
yeah because of the turbo they like to make rather than naturally make for boost
The car was designed in Japan u moron
I love better the mugen RR than the Type R. The exhaust from the mugen RR is really loud, fast and awesome. The type R exhaust is really low and quite. Mugen RR the Best and does carry manual emergency brake which i love.
You can see how much happier he is in the Mugen RR
Wow. U can also see how much slower hes going
I love my FG2 with 07 K24a2 swap + All the supporting mods to suspension, motor mounts, brakes etc. etc. It's basically my own self built Mugen RR for half the price. Weighs in right at 2750 [which I didn't believe either when I saw the sheet, but I guess its true the coupes are lighter than the sedans]. Putting down a nice 220 / 170 right at the wheels with instant torque. It is true, that as soon as your foot touches the pedal at 6k rpm, you really get a feeling of your body singing with joy lmao. Now all I gotta do is turbo it, and I will have something that Honda cant release from the factory :]
Mugen RR always be my dream car..
I love Mugen RR Civic ❤️❤️❤️more then the New Civic Type R
Out of the modern Civic, I like the looks of the FD the most, more than the FB, FK2, FK8.
They both look so good together 😍
The helical LSD Honda used has much less to do with the lack of torquesteer in the new Civic Type-R; it actually is a function of the suspension geometry they've used to place the steering axis very near the middle of the tire contact patch.
surprised they didnt mention that
almost every FWD hot hatch now has the option of an LSD too
FYI, not only mugen RR who doesn't come with radio, all japanese cars that sold in japan almost have no head unit, even the luxury ones.
There are two Mugen FD2 RRs in SoCal with only one owner from HMotors!
Yup and they are not for sale lol
Yeah, but they aren't road legal lol
Crispin Sugita
Road legal in Florida though 😏😏
@@HOTPLATEGAMING aye imma cop then
"It just makes my body sing with joy!" xD
5:30 that's because the vtec on the newest one isn't vtec.. It actually lowers cam timing to smoothen the power curve, at least that's what the hot version/vtec club crew were saying when they reviewed it.
its reverse VTEC on the exhaust cam- kicks in at 2500rpm to fill in the lag before the turbo spools
Great video! I have been waiting for this! I own a Mugen SI and I think the K series engine have more potential especially if you want to go force induction. Mine is completely stock still. And for the record it is not the same as the regular SI with a body kit. The suspension and tires add a lot to the handling. The exhaust sound is amazing and the body kit gives it a unique look. I plan on making a video of it soon.
Never seen that car in the usa
Mugen RR is a Real type R... the other one another turbo car of nowadays.. Mugen is pure excitement! the other pure boost lol
Mugen RR anytime baby... it is lighter and has a 2.2L K20A engine... no turbo lag... VTEC kicked in at 5500 rpm all da way till 8k...
You buy the honda over the European counter part because you might want your car to be around more than 5 years
It looked like you weren’t driving the FK8 quick enough to truly appreciate it.
Every other reviewer has raved about it, putting it well ahead of its European rivals.
The mugen RR is an absolute beast simply live this car
Uk and quality go together like Ford and quality
Thanks for making all the blacks look grey in this video. Contrast ratio BE DAMNED!
Mugen all day long.
Most type r's have been built in the UK as far back as the ep3
Yes.. our young presenter doesn’t have much of a clue but he is giving it a go.
Exhaust noise is probably the only thing I wish was better on my FK8R, but besides that I love it. Would love a RR as well, but you can't find any
but a turbo and a proper tune on the Mugen RR at about 15Psi (which the stock internals can take) you'd be looking at around 425-450 horsepower.
Great video mate ! well done ...
You can't buy Mugen RR, it's already out of stock.
Mugen is a Beast...the real deal... Japanese engineering at its best
Vtec in the new type r does not kick in high rpms, it’s the turbo that makes it fast up there, vtec engages around 2500 rpms
Both of them are really amazing and beautiful cars!!
The new type r isn’t nearly as much as a divers car as the RR.
yet it has a ridiculously fast lap time around the nurburgring.... hmmm
Martin Suarez any car can have a ridiculously fast time around a track but does that mean it’s a drivers car?
micheal jackson Drive one.
micheal jackson You’ve obviously never driven the FK8.
Sleepy I don’t think any of you understand the term “drivers car” maybe I shall break it down a turbo car fully capable where a N/A car is more driver involved.
Fd serious dash board view is a great cockpit view. ❤ and more comfortable rear seat with multilink doublevishborne suspension.
FD2 everyday of the week, it just looks and sounds fantastic, whereas the FK8 sounds as exciting as a 1.2 Jazz and looks like the standard car has been handbrake turned into every Halfords shelf.
Mugen RR and FD2 is the best civics Honda ever made! Oh, the EK9, SiR and the S2000 CR 👍
Fail
Mugen rr still looks fresh it doesn't look old considering it's 14 yrs old.
Mugen rr fan...
honda did not pick UK to "upscale" the quality. As for a honda car the best quality they can do is out of their factory in Japan & all the Mugen RR were made only in Japan. For 2006 and for Honda, the Mugen RR was a no compromise build.
The comment that you shouldn't own a type R unless you know how to heel and toe is ridiculous, maybe in the ek9 days but considering you didn't even mention the ep3 it's silly to say such about these mainstream models.
exactly
the Type R has always had competition from day 1
many of which have offered drivers aids to ease living with them
I Love ❤️ the Honda Civic Type R & the Mugen RR Both!
George Doughly 2👀8 Da Best RR civic
Omg the mugen is GORGEOUS well...in comparison
Awesome vid luv the rr !!!!!!
I agree with you. It is a lot pricy than its predecessors.
You cant compare a limited edition 300 piece car to a mass produced car doesn't matter how much power or improvements it has over it.
Great!, now where can i buy a Mugen RR?
very, VERY good review and comparison!
fix your sound levels, voice is extremely quiet and music is deafeningly loud.
Don’t forget SPOON! 🚗💨
Brent Garcia spoon modifies Hondas, mugen and honda actually release vehicles consumers can buy
Spoon Civics are just demo cars with their parts; they never really sell them
the Mugen RR has Mugen bits from the factory
The FK8 is more of a mass market product, it appeals to the people used to the usual comfortable, quiet turbo boats which aren't really what Honda is liked for by Honda enthusiasts
The RR is a perfected machine for pure Honda fans; there's a reason why only 300 were ever made.The two don't compare because they aren't made for the same crowd.Both are good, in their respective regards.But as a true performance Honda the RR sticks to the roots a 100x better.
I got to say that the European version or Mugen Version seems more refined but the American FK8 is growing on me and it has a more wilder style. The HP is very little. Nothing a small tune in boost or intake cant handle. Honestly.
I don't see how you can recommend buying the Mugen RR, a limited run, out of production car, over the FK8 Civic type R, a modern car with better performance that you can actually still walk into a showroom and buy. I loved the comparison, especially against such a rare modern classic, but honestly, it feels like a promo organised by owners of the Mugen who benefit from increased desirability.
@CC: I'm laughing my ass off when you say "is it the pocket rocket we used to love?" Cause I own an 89 Si.....shit that's older than you!!! That is a pocket rocket. When properly tuned, you can have a shitload of fun with this. Cheers
I’d rather own and drive a ctr that has no radio, rides stiffer than my upper lip feeling like I’m sitting in a van than the new ctr’s. The RR only has 300 in production because it was made only to be raced. It just so happens to look 🔥 as well. That thing is going to be worth a pretty penny in the next 20 yrs.
@3:51 why not buy the European counter parts? percieved Honda reliability.
Would get both of them; that's the thing with Type-R's, each generation is unique and valuable in their own ways, with each generation building upon the previous while implementing safety standards and practicalities of their respective time period.
You hit the nail on the head man!
Yeah they are both nice cars I'd drive as well
Best freaking comment!! I feel like there will a type r for any one not just one specific type of person
except the FN2
thats garbage
It seems the driver looks more pleased riding on the Mugen one than on the new civic type R.
I have the FK myself I like that more as its does have a real hand brake and better interior IMHO but the Fk8 (new one) also has a ally bonnet and mechanical slip differential and to be fair the seating position just look all wrong in the RR
if you did LHD I would do it, but I had to get fk2 which is 2nd best after the jdm gen8 mugens
Get a Mugen Si if you're in NA. I got a used one with around 92k miles on it for 18k USD. I put around 40k miles on it in 3 years and when i went to trade it in Honda gave me 24,000 for it. The mugen cars hold great value.
Was an amazing car as well, only had 1 issue with it and it was synchros in 2nd gear. 130k miles with only 1 rough gear shift id say was damn good build quality.
Almost like a race car pedal, what does the R stand for on the typeR again?
Cant really count the automatic down blip if you can disable it from the menu…
Mugen RR, the new is fast yeah, but the styling omg why!!
I love the look of the Mugen RR but I would love to have the motor out of the Type R
taking mugen any day. that car is just pure sexiness
1:38 if he calls that screaming i must be going deaf
Honda should bring back the Mugen RR for the 2021 or at least have a Mugen package for the type r civic
The nsx should have been a 3.5 liter normally aspirated v10 with a 9-9.5 rpm redline.. I should be making these decisions for Honda
i'd take the RR over any other Japanese car, not just the FK8
was it jsut me bt did he say the fk8 sounds louder in vtec? i thought vtec was reversd in the turbo civic to give you better power down low and lets the turbo take over up high?
The fk8 actually has reverse vtec from what I've heard, it activates at low rpm until the turbo kicks in, then let's the boost take over.
Is the 320hp Type R coming to the state's?
The RR is just amazing but too rare to even find. The new Type R is the ugliest Honda I’ve ever seen with all the fake air vents
which wheel is the mugen rr? 😍😍😍
Where is this place? I want to go there
I'd take a "Regular" FD2 Type R over the new FK8.
My interest in the type R brand stopped when they started using turbochargers. I understand WHY they are now turbocharged. But to me a Type R will always be a Naturally Aspirated screamer
(EP3 owner)
"But why not buy european counterpart" this guy is funny
What road is this? Looks like somewhere remote like Sai Kung or Tai Po.
It ain't a pocket size anymore... more like a duffle bag and becoming a full luggage size.
Take in Hong Kong or in Japan?
he says buy the mugen rr as if it were readily available at your local corner deli...lol do you think if anyone in the market fro an fk8 would pass on an rr if it was actually available? I doubt it...
The Mugen RR looks way better! Also sounds better! Has that traditional Honda screaming high revving engine!
Yup! Me too the old FD 2 look way much better to the FK 8.
Mugen rr is nice why didn’t USA bring those to the states ?
WHY honda you did not make lhd variants of that monster back in the days
RR is a stunning car, have that over the new Type R any day.
So how's the new CTR similar to the European counterparts ? :) There is no comparison and CTR should be more expensive than any of them...
Mugen rr is the very essence of the type R brand. Personally if you want a real type R you have to import one from Japan. I still can't get over how ugly the fk8 is and how 320hp works at the front wheels...
Ugly, have you seen one in person, look good to me. 320 works the nurburg record shows that it does.
You’d love FK8R if you saw it in person and drove it by yourself
Despite its "ring record" those 320hp at the front are a waste! at that point it should be Awd... there are faster cars withe less than that
Ivan Nevistic My exact thinking 320hp from the front wheels won't work as intended. It's to powerful! (I have not driven it so it's my opinion only) and to the other guys I've seen plenty of them in Aberdeen Scotland they're ugly as fuck.
@@ivannevistic1368 it's said that they've done a fantastic job with it being fwd. Ig the only way to find out is to drive it. Japanese engineering at its best
When are you reviewing the nissan sentra nismo?
Mugen RR over the FK8, not saying I don't love the Fk8 tho. If only the RR had boost from the factory.
Mugen RR only 300 units in the world and sold in 10 minute only in Japan..Brunei have 1 USD 80k..
1:39 the engine sounds really nice.
i have an fa5 that im converting to the rr look. all u need is full bolt on and you will have a time of your life.
ar least i can buy a honda civic si mugen 2008 edition that is still fucking nice car in blue omg
When will they make a insight type RRRRR-R???
Moooogen not mewgen!